I Played at the World's Most Dangerous Golf Course!

This is the lowest, hottest, and most dangerous golf course in the World. Furnace Creek Golf Course is 214 feet below sea level.
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[@jeffhallstrom2933]

For a slightly different brutal experience, Jacksonville Florida on a 100F + day with 95-100 % humidity ! Just going from your home out to your car , you’re totally soaked .

[@Da.Onus.Burger.618]

I live in the Phoenix, AZ area. Rates at the really expensive courses here are half price or less between June and September. I might play 2-3 times a month during our summers here. The keys are to book a tee time BEFORE 630am, take a large thermos of extra water and refill a water bottle ever 3-4 holes, a big hat, park in the shade (if any; some desert courses don’t have many trees!) and be done before 10:30-11am. Hydration is most important, and the second you feel like it’s too hot or you start to feel a little wonky you LEAVE! No ifs, ands, or buts!

[@rts3613]

I had a buddy that lived in Phoenix, and I would come visit in the hot "off season" to take advantage of those low rates and beautiful courses. I was younger and fitter then, but I really loved playing in the desert. It was crazy having those courses to yourself, because hardly anyone plays when it gets that hot.

[@matthewdibenedetto5880]

I play at 3 in the summer. Even cheaper!

[@rogerdoger3376]

All great tips but after years of heat injuries from construction I just stop playing over 100 Degrees I need to become a reverse snow bird LOLOLLOL

[@zbc3261]

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[@rts3613]

@@rogerdoger3376 Same here, it's brutal being in homes and buildings under construction and outdoors is even worse. The only thing I haven't done is roofing, I don't know how those guys do it in the hot areas.

[@AZstu324]

Here in Chandler/Phoenix it's a deadly catch-22. Summer rates allow you to play some courses that are just untouchable for us common folk during the winter. But you have to hydrate! Water up the day before, no soda, caffeine, and especially no beer the day of. Bring a gallon of water with electrolytes to the course. Mineral salt is your best friend. Cool towels and a hand mister are a must. Stretch between holes to avoid lactic acid build up. If you've ever had inner thigh cramps at 2 in the morning after 110°+ golf, you know the importance of all of the previously mentioned items. Just plan ahead and don't skip anything and hot AF summer golf is manageable.

[@CW18luv]

love these types of different videos that other golf creators would never think of. Truly one of the goats in the golf content creation world. Love the videos Matt keep them coming, and don't stop anytime soon.

[@TheWildwoodPicker]

I bought a Ryobi battery operated fan for when I play golf in extreme heat. That fan has been a game changer, a life saver, a must have.

[@kileypaet8221]

Good one!

[@KevinBrown-v4j]

I played Furnace Creek in May, it was perfect weather conditions. It’s so surprising to be driving through the barren Death Valley; to go around a bend and voila a beautiful, green oasis. Beautiful scenery of mountains in the distance as well. I certainly enjoyed playing there.

[@felobo33]

Wow, video production went up 10 fold ! Great video Matt ! I’m always rooting for you ! Since way back from your videos building your home made golf nets

[@rts3613]

I live in Dallas, TX and I can tell you that when you play in heat over 100 degrees, and add in high humidity, it is much worse. I've played in Arizona in the summer and it was actually nice with the low humidity. Don't get me wrong, it was hot like 110, but it really is a different heat. In low humidity when you sweat it immediately evaporates cooling your body. In high heat and high 70% plus humidity your sweat doesn't evaporate quickly and doesn't cool, causing you to sweat even more soaking your clothing and gloves and causing you to quickly dehydrate. Playing in the desert is like being in a dry sauna, playing in Dallas or Houston is like playing in a steam room.

[@mgrowbee]

I totally agree. I live in PHX and I play pretty comfortably all summer long, even when it is 115+. Playing in 100 or 105 with humidity feels dangerous.

[@NANA-mb6vf]

I live in EAST TEXAS now and the humidity with heat is WAY worse!!! I moved from Dallas and I remember playing in 105 temp with 45% humidity. It was HOT!!! To stay cool I would soak my hands in the ice water in the cooler. It really helps!!! You play in serious heat, cool your extremities!!!

[@PARDS2]

@@NANA-mb6vf SPEAKING OF COOLING EXTREMITIES,,,,, I am working on a GROIN Cool Pack that will last up to 4 hours,,,,,keep you posted

[@briansonnenfelt7125]

Southeast Georgia, 100 degrees and 85-90% humidity. I dont play after 10 am cuz I don't want to lose 10 lbs in sweat.

[@justinphillips5564]

I played the Rangers course in Arlington when it was 105 with 90% humidity and it was absolutely miserable.

[@pwoeckener]

We held our club championship this past weekend in Valdosta, GA, and I think the heat index was 110° +++. Guys were dropping out like flies. Best score on Sunday in our flight was 76, and the guy that won, who is scratch, shot 74-77. Overall winner was +4 for two rounds, and he is Sepp Straka's younger brother, who is normally in the mid-60's score wise. The extreme heat just sucks the life out of you, especially when combined with our southern humidity. We're in discussions with the head pro to move our club championship to late September or October when the weather is not so hot. No matter how you look at it, golf is definitely not fun in these conditions.

[@briansonnenfelt7125]

I feel your pain. I'm in Kingsland, 2 hours to the east. It's pretty terrible when it's like that

[@rhopag]

You gotta bring the Golfholics as guest golfers on your channel next time you're in SoCal. Miss those guys.

[@dennishover4803]

I played the course 2 different times while visiting Las Vegas. Nice day trip. Played 18 there at 8AM and drove to Pahrump and played 18 at Mountain Falls on the way back to Vegas. Had a cayote on one of the green mounds watching the creek for his lunch. Good video.

[@coachpete5756]

cooling towel is a must, ice chest plenty of ice and water. we play summer golf in AZ and Nevada. rates are low temps are high... worth every penny

[@wessims3412]

Wow! Thank you for your suffering to show us this video, and no I would never golf in that kind of heat. I felt your pain just watching you and I can’t imagine the discomfort. I would never pay for that kind of suffering on a golf course, actually I would never even do it if somebody paid me. You are a real troubadour. Thank you for your awesome channel!

[@ericchambers9914]

I don't normally comment (I know, I know, what's wrong with me?) but this one certainly deserved it. Big fan of your videos and production efforts. The cuts to you eating dinner and ice cream (multiple times!) were awesome. I simply can't imagine living in a place that hot, much less spending a few hours outside playing golf!

[@pahhaw4251]

I play all the time in the summer in the Palm Desert area, tee off before 7:30, finish before 11 and enjoy the cheap rates. If you're unlucky and get stuck behind people out for a 5 hour round, pounding beers, just go around them - they don't last long!

[@RIKPANKIEWICZ]

It’s hard to believe that golf can be played in those tempts. You are the man my friend………

[@hisstuff1973]

I live in Mesa Arizona and the summers can be brutal. Especially between the months late June and August with our monsoons, the humidity just adds to the pain. Unfortunately, summer’s the best time to play when the rates are lower. Hats off to you for battling that heat.

[@suicidesamuraiz]

Oregonian, here--we had a week on 103-106 degree days here, and have for a while. While it's never sustained, we're not unfamiliar to some heat. We just suffer with rain for the other 7-8 months. Here--Eugene--it rain's 10 more inches per year than Seattle, but it's a lot warmer.

[@hp3309]

HAHA😄 My first time here. The intermittent, "Ya know what I going to do!" Then the demonstration video haha Love the video. Keep up the great showmen ship.

[@pro-waresupport4921]

that was one of the most enjoyable golf videos I've ever watched. Thanks Mr. Short Game.

[@miguelsanchez2662]

Need my chipping to be on point like Mr. Short game!

[@davidcole2337]

Glad to see you continuing your Golf Course Reviews

[@mtclemmons]

You have got a great channel. Really enjoy the content and the casual/informative way you speak. Makes it enjoyable and not feel overproduced. Keep it up! 1 million inbound!

[@faroutgolf3650]

This was a very informative golf video. A dangerous adventure that held my interest I could almost feel the heat as you described the conditions! Thanks for taking the viewers on a fantastic golf journey..

[@gcdeen8783]

Awesome Matt! Love how you advertised the resort throughout the vid. I played in 115 in Palm Springs hungover like a dog and was literally shaking on my putts. Never again!!!

[@PURP_PLAYS]

you were probably the only person in the world on that day to golf in the temps you did. out of the billions of people, you did something 1 of 1 ... pretty cool.

[@GreenSteedaGT]

As a teen, I used to play street hockey every day in AZ during the summer in the 90's. I can't even imagine doing it now lol.

[@MikeSoutham]

Heat Stroke is not to be messed with. Played in Kuala Lumpur in the middle of the day before flying back to Australia. Thought I was going to die. Swinging a club felt like swinging a 2x4 plank of wood. Got to the airport and had a 2 hour cold shower and still couldn't cool down. The 7 hour flight home was horrific. Felt 10x worse than having Covid. I can't believe the fairways and greens are as green as they are. They must pump an absolute crapload of water onto them.

[@markskipper2199]

You needed to go to an ER and get an IV!

[@michaelreilly5888]

I hear you! I've played in Arizona at 117 and it took three days to recover. Now when it gets over 99°, I just don't play anymore. My life is worth more than my index.

[@Papaspronator]

@@michaelreilly5888I live in Southern Cali near Death Valley. You can get memberships for the summer for under $200 for 3 months worth of golf. I get up at 6 am 3 days a week and walk the course with a push cart and umbrella for some shade. It’s usually already 105 when I tee off at 6am and 125+ on some days when I finish. I have gotten used to it but I have definitely had some times where I’m just too hot and I have to cut my rounds short.

[@vermeerrecpt9290]

Hey Mr. Short Game: I just ordered a pair of those Sun Sleeves. Thank you for the heads-up and discount code too !

[@jodon9512]

Love the full course vlogs, excited to see what's next

[@JaxonAsbill]

Love these, just wanna see more rounds of actual playing

[@jasonwarden6714]

Played Gold Canyon last July , just east of Phoenix Az. Stunning course, it was 116 degrees that day and there are sign’s everywhere to beware of scorpions and rattlesnakes. Loved every minute.

[@dannylgonzal]

I love the fantasy food and dessert shots.

[@EvanFagerty]

Bro you are the reason I golf. Absolutely love your content. Keep up the awesome work!!

[@marvdanc]

I played in Texas in July when the heat index was 115 and thought I was gonna die. You are amazing for doing this for your fans! Another great video!

[@Gigity1107]

I played in Palm Springs once and it was 118F when I teed off at 11am. No idea what it was out on the course, but it was hot and shade was scarce.

[@DN4AGDX]

Damn. Heats on joke. I play a lot in the summer here in AZ. 110 to 120 in the afternoon. Drink plenty of water and keep a cooling towel in your cooler. I”d still have a few beers though. It’s not golf without it😊.

[@izzymyguitars22]

Great video! Also props to the grounds crew. The course looks to be in great shape for how hot it is

[@GaryDrake-o5m]

You kept me watching with the food-inspired day dream sequences. I was waiting for a punchline at a diner made from a converted trailer serving gas station "food", flies buzzing around an old antique fan and an old bearded prospector covered with dirt mumbling to himself...oh sorry, that was the town of Baker with the giant thermometer.

[@wyattearl8385]

5:02 I have an idea man. Play 18 holes at just an average course of average difficulty. BUT, play every single hole using a DIFFERENT branded ball. Example: Titleist one the first hole, Calaway on the second, Noodle on the third, nitro on the fourth. You get it lol. It’d be rad!

[@robertratliff6030]

I live in Arlington Texas. Man in the summer, I wear a big sombrero and drink water before every shot and the way I play, that's a lot of water. Like your channel. Lots of good content.

[@Tlee327p]

Arizona has humidity this summer. It's brutal! It's 115° daily. Ungolfable! U R A brave man! Luckily 8 months a year It's beautiful here.

[@AZstu324]

I hear ya on that. Been playing AZ golf for 30 years. This year is the first that I've nearly gotten sick after a round. Played in 108° which isn't terrible.. but the humidity just destroyed me!

[@Supkev96]

I'm actually mad impressed by how good everything looks there. I imagine that course is sole dependent on how much rain California is getting at the time and how much water access they're given

[@Marek-mv6gq]

Playing in the Lowcountry of South Carolina in the summer when it's 93 with 93% humidity, I usually have 7 or so gloves velcro'd onto my bag at any giving time. For Christmas, a ten pack of new golf gloves is like getting a new toy.

[@hisstuff1973]

We get harsh humidity here in AZ during monsoon season, but I can’t understand how you deal with 93% humidity in SC…..🥵. Hats off to you brother.

[@miker5502]

I was sweating just watching you beat the ball around the course..you need to be a special type of crazy to want to play in those temperatures. Great video..Cheers from a long time subscriber, in much cooler Nova Scotia!

[@paullefevre8684]

I played Palm Springs in July at 115F a few years ago, and gave up after 11 holes. Couldn't take it any more. Don't know how you got all 18 in at 130F! Loved the video, Matt.

[@kevinspradlin6288]

I play just down the road about an hour from furnace Creek. Our average temps are not much lower. Hydrate, carry lots of water, drink lots of water, and enjoy the game. I walk. I am 66 and have no problems. Know the symptoms though and know when to quit if you start to have a heat injury.

[@p-rod88]

I work in the heat. This year was no joke in California, I give you props for this, crazy dangerous

[@corymyers6817]

From southwest Missouri here. We don’t that hot here but 100-105 with 60-80 percent humidity will definitely take everything out of you

[@sergiomendez5318]

That Oregon group part was hilarious, glad you came out ok.

[@addisoncopeland5147]

Desert Dunes in Desert Hot Springs, CA (just north of Palm Springs) - IMO, it’s a desert links course with a fantastic design by Robert Trent Jones Jr. They used to host the Canadian Open there years back. Management has been questionable to say the least, so it’s not always in the best shape, but the greens are usually lightning fast year round. You’ll see tons of wildlife, from bunny’s, hawks, and roadrunners, to bobcats, mountain lions, and most definitely, snakes. July’s highs average 100 degrees & there’s not much shade. Additionally, DHS ranks in the top most crime ridden cities in California. Gotta be the most dangerous course I know, but also one of my favorites. Cheers to 1 million!! Let’s Go!! 🚀

[@Chiefsnation13]

Wait wait wait wait, I saw after the round it was going to be... Sundae No a float... No staright to the bed... No straight to the pool.... But no to lunch. So, which one did you do after the round since we didn't see it 😄😄 Great content I'll be watching more

[@andynaz5631]

I played at Rivers Edge Golf Couse in Needles CA when it was 122*F. I was the only one on the course.

[@Khyeef]

Btw, you have become one of my favorite KZbin channels. Killing it!!

[@marceldubois5073]

Shocking how green the course is……fun video!

[@enoughisenough1932]

Played there a few times years ago…I played in the winter so conditions were no where near what your doing…really enjoy that course…✌️

[@AeriykTheRed]

I cant imagine being a groundskeeper there. Keeping that grass alive must be a nightmare at those temps.

[@sheffieldlane5769]

Random Golf Club has a video highlighting the grounds crew. One of them was previously employed at Augusta. He made the move because he wanted a challenge

[@oliver69cork46]

Play here in south of France sometimes at 40c (104f)plus,once at 44c(114f) but stayed rehydrated and posed no real issue. Must keep an easy pace though,take alot of salt and eat hot food like indian or mexican-works very well. Ice cream has the opposite effect ,it reheats the body. Well played and great video

[@shawnmichajluk2044]

Years ago, I tried two rounds in one day in Vegas in the summer. Quit after hole 27 and went directly into the motel pool. My insides felt like they were cooking. Not good eats. I recommend sunglasses next time in the heat. I don't usually wear them but they did help my eyes from the heat and sun when they felt like they were burning. Hope you made it to Wolf Creek in Mesquite, Nevada - my favourite course I've played.

[@jayjanower7135]

LOVED this video…great creativity! What was tastier - the ice cream sundae or root beer float? Keep up the great work.

[@robradfo]

Matt. The most dangerous hole in the world is located at Camp Boniface inside of South Korea’s DMZ.

[@peterandresen328]

Fantastic stuff thank you . We need a seniors creator group for balance. This edit is super

[@Iversonwings1]

Keep making this great content!

[@patrickmundy1966]

I worked at 29 Palms CA decades ago at the Marine Corp base in the Summer and it reached into the 120s. My breath coming out was cooler than the surrounding air...freaky!!!

[@todpharis4996]

Wild! it makes sense epoxy could fail in that temp.

[@greghurt4944]

Played Palm Springs in August @ 124 degree tempature .. and 36 holes each day for 2 days. We did are summer special rate with unlimited golf and room .. but that was 20 years ago and no way i could ever do it now. I remember when we got to the cart / starter shack .. the guy just pointed us to the carts and didn't come out of his AC cooled shack 😂 I then began to wonder if this was a good idea 😮

[@DFox-ud3gx]

My friend lives in Biship,CA beside Death valley its damn hot there and sometimes the smoke from the fires can be bad. This golf course will leave a mark

[@pro-waresupport4921]

Omaha, Nebraska - We have some really high humidity, especially early in the mornings with lots of dew. Typically, the humidity will be in the 90's with a dew point of 75 or so. While the temps might be in the 70's, you'll feel very uncomfortable. I've played in Laughlin, NV with the temps around 105 and in Palm Springs with temps over 100 and it's more comfortable than what you will experience here in Omaha, Headed to Palm Springs next month (September) and the temps will still be over 100 but I'm actually looking forward to it.

[@Neotidus]

I was out at the Death Valley course last year. I can’t believe it’s open in the summer. It was 129 when we were there but we got up early and golfed at 100-110 degrees

[@aussiegolfer2919]

Great video mate . I was golfing in 118 -120 in Vegas a month ago . Palm Springs around 115 👍⛳️

[@stanmanh1]

I just busted a gut watching this video. Hilarious!!!!! You had me at the soda float.

[@porchegrayson]

Mr short game, aka. Mr BADASS! Amazing vid, always love to watch your videos man keep it up!

[@ericpotter8874]

Ive always wanted to play at furncace creek! Such a unique place for a course.

[@JasonOsbornePhotography]

Not sure what the humidity was like for you, but playing in Houston during the summer can be brutal due to how humid it gets. I rock sleeves, the cart fan and start chugging Gatorade before even teeing off. I avoid drinking alcohol too because when that heat hits it’s no joke. Doesn’t get to 120s but 98 will feel like 110 just because of how humid it is.

[@Sluggo717]

Played in Nevada 36 holes at Laughlin Ranch in 100+ all day temps. Looking forward to playing the Furnace. I am sure the lower elevation makes it hotter just like humidity does at other places.

[@ryanmcmahon6210]

Played in Palm Springs at 114. Playing in 128 is incredible.

[@19jaguar90]

I'm a member at Dominion Valley CC (an invited course) and I came up with a tournament we hold annually called the 5 tee challenge. We play each of the 5 tee boxes and pay out accumulative net and gross scores at the end of the 5 rounds. We also pay out for each tee round. First year we had 35 sign up, the next 75 and next year we estimate close to 100 people. I'd love to have you play a round at our club or do something similar as a challenge on your channel.

[@jeffreymiller1052]

I play in Houston. Hot is hot. Usually have a heat index of 115 here at this time of year. Anything hotter than that is crazy. But this year, it hasn’t been as brutal.

[@lvond555]

Drives were looking great! On a string. Tiger needs to play here to keep his back warm haha.

[@nathanhigham2007]

Vegas golfer here. I bought a fan that sprays you with mist from a five gallon bucket like they have at construction sites. I fill it with ice water and bring wet towels. I can handle 110+ days but you have to stay out of direct sunlight as much as possible

[@CorekBleedingHollow]

8:42 Man, I would hate to top the ball right there.

[@moweejim]

I played in Merced, CA in their annual July Tournament and at the perimeter next to an open field, the temp reached 110. Felt every bit of 110. Dry heat is still hot. Breathing 110 degree air is not appealing, keeping hydrated is critical to maintaining a safe body heat. Having felt 110 degrees, I cannot imagine 120, let alone 130. That temp would sear your lungs to breath in, incredible, good job to finish 18 holes! Love your videos

[@kge420]

My buddy lives in Phoenix and says the ‘but it’s a dry heat’ is bs. It’s HOT! Go shopping and when you get in your car it’s an oven.

[@georgespalding7640]

I remember back in mid 80s when I played in the Riverside County amateur tournament. The first round was at La Quinta Hotel and I was 2 over after nine holes and leading my handicap group. On the 17th as I was about to tee off, I almost passed out and somehow played the last two holes in 14 strokes. It was 122° F when we reached the 18th hole. I went in the clubhouse and drank a six pack in 20 minutes flat.

[@brendankahm1133]

Live in Vegas and golf year round it can brutal... a bunch of guys in my group are Air Force, and bring salt tabs which help a ton. Drinking too much water can actually make you feel worse (found out the hard way once). Props to you for doing it!

[@scottmcdonnelljr792]

That is crazy heat man! Thanks for sacrificing for your fans lol. What was the humidity like? I’d imagine there wasn’t much bc it being the desert and all but was it difficult breathing like in super hot and humid weather?

[@blainetsukayama4513]

Course looks really nice

[@TheTropicotonic13]

We all want to know when you are going to do a 'Break 50' with Bryson! I'd watch that video 1,000 times!

[@VintageAtticHideaway]

That would definitely help him on his quest to a million!

[@lesbolstad]

No chance, just doesn't have the name power

[@coreyknapp2151]

Played there in November a few years ago. Course is very nice and weather was great. I was on the course early in the morning and only had to share it with a family of coyotes. 😅

[@kendallas3705]

I live and play in Phoenix AZ. Every once in a while we will play in the summer afternoons and it is not fun. Its hard to pass up up the $12.00 green fees. I did buy a mister to put on the cart and that helps a ton.

[@hisstuff1973]

Where you playing for $12?

[@StaffanLiback]

Was playing in Thailand last April with 45 Degrees Celsius and that was HOT. Can imagine how 55 degrees would feel. Ahahaha. Awesome!

[@nicodawg8231]

Some courses in the Phoenix area used to have misters on the carts and they would bring you cold mango towels during the round.

[@SwimCoach8]

Out of your mind! They built a golf course here! Might there be a mid winter contrast round? Do the maintenance staff work at night? Thanks so much to you and your crew. Except for the heat, the layout looks wonderful.

[@aslancpa]

You were on an all time heater!

[@rickliners6123]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Thats DRY heat in Death Valley. In Minnesota we have moist heat. That dry heat is about equivalent to 75 degrees here. I play that all the time, don't even break a sweat!!

[@mattballesteros9166]

My buddy and I do a PS trip every June. We usually still get there when it’s mild-ish and play early morning. Two years ago we were feeling good and decided to go out for a 2nd round starting about 11am. By the time we hit the 7th hole (think it was at desert Willow) it was 117. I was feeling a little delirious and it wasn’t even fun. Needless to say we got out of there quickly and got indoors

[@Supkev96]

For anyone who is wondering, ball travels farther in higher elevations and shorter in low elevations. Reason for that would be air pressure and gravity

[@danielwarner7734]

It’s safe to say that gravity is would be considered a constant, using a 3 mile difference in lowest to highest golf course elevation, when using the gravitational force of attraction formula.

[@RBH-q8e]

Great idea for video. Living in Texas I take the end of July and all of August away from golf. Possum Kingdom is a dangerously course here due to copperheads everywhere with signs to warn.

[@nebraskagoldhunter]

Great video! thank you for sharing

[@mattmartin5747]

Watching this video after watching the Bryson dechambo and John Daley video all I have to do his laugh when he talks about the alcohol.

[@chrismac5560]

As a heat loving Canadian this has been on my bucket list for years. The hottest I've ever experienced is 39c (102f) and I was wearing a fairly thick jacket as I was cold ... in fact I won't even think about wearing shorts unless it's above 30c (86f) as I know I will get cold and take forever to warm up. Watching this video only made me want to do Death Valley in July even more but unfortunately all my friends hate the heat so I'll never have anyone to do the trip with. And yes if you're wondering Canadian winters are fucking hell for me and I avoid being outside longer than a minute at all costs ... unfortunately for me I still have to clear my driveway which can take over an hour when it snows 6+ inches overnight but because Canada is shit I'm basically forced to live in that crap life unless I don't know, maybe our country buys one of the Virgin Islands so that I could move and be happy year round

[@chrismac5560]

Really hard for me to read all the comments from people who live in Phenix, Texas and other hot areas of the US. I honestly believe yall are blowing it out of proportion on how hot it feels ... 102f and I was wearing a fairly thick jacket .. how much hotter can 10-20 degrees feel, maybe jacket off? Any of you Americans (excluding Alaskans) want to swap identities and citizenships with just one stipulation, no switching back after you've experienced Canadian winter