I Played Japan in Victoria 3 and All I Got Was Pain

[@renegade2110]

College actually hard carrying the Vic 3 scene

[@guyfromcollege]

I try my best

[@im_flat]

mf he is the Vic 3 scene rn

[@oracle372]

One Proud Bavarian and SocialStreamers are also good imo! And they use less exploits which I like personally

[@AvengedKittyLP]

Tbf he is trying to carry the game

[@No.00000]

​@@guyfromcollegeThe game still sucks tho

[@Skibidi6793]

Playing Japan in any other game: 😄 Playing Japan in Vic3: 😔

[@makaramuss]

But it feels so good when you pull it off. You can be Asian united states, you can be asian union by accepting chinese culture and conquering it, you can embrace shinto superiority and enact ethno state. Hell, since post restoration rulers so good you can even stay as monarchy and IT IS OK XD

[@sto1238]

Lmao yea japan is usually pretty easy in most Paradox games if you know what your doing but it’s PAINFUL in Vic3

[@desertdesmond6736]

playing any other (modern) pdx game: 😄 playing vic 3: 😔

[@Yoshikata1567]

Better to keep samurai

[@fraginatrix]

I swear there must be a hidden variable that randomly selects an AI Great Power every time the player declares they're wanting to go to war, and forces them to oppose the player no matter how nonsensical, as some form of "balancing".

[@snowmeows3342]

It’s not even always Great powers, once I was unifying Germany as Austria, and the East India company thought that reclaiming a Prussian puppet was one step too far

[@snowmeows3342]

It’s not even always Great powers, once I was unifying Germany as Austria, and the East India company thought that reclaiming a Prussian puppet was one step too far

[@YeetThyBaby]

The diplomacy in this game is absolutely scuffed. The great powers involve themselves in wars they have literally no interest or stake in on the other side of the world for no reason.

[@MassiveChoad-vr5gy]

Man Vicky 3 was barebones even for a paradox game so little in terms of flavour events and cool decisions

[@ProjectEkerTest33]

I look forward to buying this game in a year when it actually works!

[@noneofyourbusiness9489]

2-3 years.

[@TheTyrfish]

Don't keep your hopes up, I feel this one might be beyond saving

[@usemoarmeemz5898]

Yeah, I’m also waiting for Imperator Rome, they will fix it…

[@MRST5GS]

2-3 DLC down the line

[@manana1444]

That's overly optimistic.

[@Cmoehlman12]

You are one of the only youtubers worthy of eating food while watching you like I legit save your videos till I have food

[@maxitrx]

Holy fuck, I thought they fixed the worst issues, but this just looks like pure suffering. Still enjoyable video; kinda like public torture

[@makaramuss]

war is fixed a bit but main fixes are yet to come. They acknowladge the problems and working for it but it seems like there are deep problems to be corrected

[@jake_7630]

College, your videos are one of the reasons I still am interested in Vicky 3. Keep up the amazing work and carry this games fans on your shoulders.

[@logoncal3001]

Wiz deserves a medal. He managed to make a worse war system than Stellaris

[@b1indmailman]

Watching this video and the newest Bokoen really makes me feel like he is still salty about London being held by 200 men for over a week

[@guyfromcollege]

Only a little :)

[@jansatamme6521]

@@guyfromcollege That was such a skill issue u should have done something about it, like attack from another angle (hoi4 refrence) or play meta ideas (eu4 refrence) get more can... oh wait (my msg is go back to vic2) (Cannon one is eu4/vic2/march of the eagles refrence)

[@Fezboyz]

I played Japan this week a bunch, restarted three times theorizing how to get the economy off the ground fast in this patch. What I figured out is that you should focus on the construction loop first, iron, coal, tooling and steel and increase the amount of construction. Try to not go into the red, destroy construction sectors if necessary. Don’t bother doing the Meiji restoration early. You can do the civil war cheese if you want but emperor Ninko is bad and you can do most of what you need as shogunate anyway. Then Japan has this specific issue with its standard of living where the entire supply chain is messed up for groceries, acquire sugar, glass grain etc so the people can have alcohol and food, this should greatly increase standard of living. Abuse the economy of scale modifier. You should definitely be set by 1890 or so for your economy to boom massively, you’ll easily stomp Russia and you will not have the frustrations seen in this video.

[@Solus749]

yea that is the whole point, develop your regions sencibly and push the shogunate out of power over time is the safe bet. Doing the all out war will kill your entire economy because suptrise suprise war cost money ALOT of money

[@jansatamme6521]

it took u 3 games to figure out that u need to build industrial goods in the early game??? how??? what??? wghat??? buh??? have i gone too far???

[@Svabre]

Honestly I’m glad they added the quick country switching to the game because sometimes having france attack belgium in the fifteenth war for wallonia and flanders just gets tiring. I swear one more war against the french and they might actually fall apart (I was kinda lying, it was 4 wars in 10 years or sth like that, I think even less). Playing germany in vic 3 (the patch I’m playing which is this one at least) is quite literally just the equivalent of babysitting a very spoiled little child.

[@romulusnuma116]

I think Wiz wants to make it harder to players to get everything they wanted in wars by forcing them out eventually

[@Sr.Pirulito]

Ah yes, that's why any country can defeat great Britain the strongest power i the game by navaling invading Jamaica or any random piece of land they have without a home navy and wait the war exhaustion to tick down.

[@romulusnuma116]

@@Sr.Pirulito I did not say he did a good job of it

[@loosegoose9624]

My Japan run is going incredibly well right now, even without the cheese strays like play again British and backing down to get your market open, corn laws is also kind of gamey with how broken it is

[@Sr.Pirulito]

To retake the treaty port you need to use a take treaty port wargoal on Russia. Why? PDX hasnt unlocked game testing in the tech tree yet. There is no other explanation for vic3.

[@guyfromcollege]

If you look at 10:10 you see me trying to do exactly that, but the game doesn't allow me because "I'm not a higher rank than Great Power"

[@Ziche10]

@@guyfromcollege Strangely, the only way to do it is to add it as another wargoal after starting the war with the country - e.g. you could try to conquer a state off Russia, and then it allows you to add "take treaty port" as a valid wargoal.

[@VirtueInEternity]

@@guyfromcollege it is a known bug. You can only take treaty ports from countries of a lower power-category than you (e.g.: from major powers if you are a great power) - so it is impossible to take treaty ports from great powers, even if you yourself are a great power.

[@GaltarDude1138]

Petition to Paradox: add "give treaty port back" as a war goal in new update of game

[@TheKhive]

"I can't take these treaty ports back" The Province they are in is not only IN THE LIST to conquer state. but the territory LIGHTS UP when you scroll over it. But yeah its dumb its not considered a Reconquest since they took it off you.

[@jansatamme6521]

its probably the way they held the qing ai from attack GB for the 16th time to get hong kong back

[@MTI_]

I love your Victoria 3 videos!

[@Lady_Rhea]

Literally why is Victoria 3 like this lol

[@lazysorcerer]

Like what? If the game was mostly like what he showed in the video it would be great. Problem is that the 90% of the game he did not show is just clicking 'expand building'.

[@FishwicksREAL]

If you play like in the video, it DOES get like this.

[@SasafrasYT]

I'm so mad that they botched this game so much, all they had to do was improve vic 2 but instead they just went a completely different direction, getting rid of lots of good things from vic 2 and then adding a bunch of things that are worse than vic 2. frustrating.

[@starkiller5514]

You say it

[@therealgaben5527]

The only hope now is that in hoi5 might have actual economics (hopefully like vicy) which is something I think they said they want to add. If we are extremely lucky (which we won’t (sad!)); hoi5 could actually go into the Cold War and not be tediously slow

[@SasafrasYT]

@@therealgaben5527 I'm happy enough with hoi4 to where I'd rather they just keep doing DLCs rather than a new game. its just different than vic and thats how it is.

[@emib6599]

Imagine ruling Japan 🇯🇵 during/after ww2 when you realise that you are losing 150 years of conquests in a single peace deal.

[@therealgaben5527]

That’s what happens when you piss off every single colonial power in Asia, and genocide tens of millions of Chinese. But in the end it was probably better for them with the usa rebuilding them after the war

[@jansatamme6521]

To experience this, play hoi4 MP and watch as the IJN dies to 1100 carrier naval bombers cuz u forgored aa and the US has 2x ur dockyards anyways soo it doesnt even matter

[@Mustang-wt1se]

Russo-Japanese War in 1904: decisive victory for Japan over Russia Paradox: I'm going to pretend I didn't see that

[@SirBalageG]

Tbf when I played Japan, it was a nightmare, I was fed up with the bs of the game and started tag switching to France to pay off my debt, pure 100% suffering in the current game state

[@Warhawk_of_Chogoris]

It’s infuriating how badly pdx dropped the ball with Vicky 3

[@argon65]

The game was rushed. I'm pretty sure it was supposed to be released by Early 2023, but PDX execs pressured devs into releasing it in October. Therefore all the problems we've seen. My recommendation would be to treat it as an Early Access game as of now.

[@goose93]

​@@argon65treat any new paradox game as a early access game, they all have a rocky release

[@Spessanon]

@@argon65 Rushed doesn't explain away the abject garbage that are virtually all of the game's "features". Its a goddamn mobile game and you know it

[@blahblah8471]

This is scarily historical

[@lachy_942]

Yeah, I've found it best to try just playing tall as a nation that is either: a. part of a large market (like the British Empire or Qing Market) b. has a huge population to support a domestic market (Japan is great for this) Attempt to avoid war at all costs, because the system is confusing and broken. Engage in minimal colonialism unless you are going to integrate the state (like Hokkaido for Japan), or if it has essential resources (like oil) because it tends to tank your standard of living, GDP and Literacy, and requires a ton of investment and suppression. Better to just use free trade to import in most scenarios. Finally, realise that if you are a part of a foreign market, particularly if you are a subject, any war will tank your economy, even if you are not personally at war (learnt that the hard way as the Ionian islands when Britain went to war and all of a sudden, my trade route was blockaded, for some reason my market access dropped, and we went into a death spiral of debt). Basically, the war system needs a total overhaul (this is easily the worst issue for me, so I just avoid war), and there are a lot of other issues with the game. That said, I still enjoy the game, but its about a 6/10 right now.

[@februarywhiskeys]

This entire video felt like College was talking through gritted teeth And honestly? I get it

[@501lilspoon]

This game would be so fun if there was a war feature

[@merc6trey919]

love your videos tbh you should probably try to make a victoria 3 mod since your hoi4 mod is just flat out better than vanilla!

[@guyfromcollege]

The problem is a lot of the problems I have with Vicky are unmoddable, it would require pdx themselves to change things

[@merc6trey919]

oh ok

[@corporalsilver6981]

My dude suffering for Vicky 3's sins so we don't have to. Blessed.

[@DarkArtistKaiser]

Pulling the control of armies from the players honest to god is one of the dumbest ideas I could ever think to do. If AI was good enough for it, I wouldnt mind, but it never is.

[@unifiedhorizons2663]

french nah we like taiwon drops japan british: i see you beat up germany and france no longer your besty.... lets make a friendship group!

[@jimdaburger1590]

Not the first time you had trouble on Japan ;)

[@retrowave69]

all I get from this video is that vicky 3 war is still bullshit and way worse than vicky 2, even when vicky 2 doesn't have a frontline system it's better than not being able to micro at all

[@Lady_Rhea]

Not to worry College, maybe you can play with your friends next time and they’ll help you expand as a nation :))

[@channel7zip]

super cool video as always, would love to see you play ck3!

[@jacobsutton567]

Love your Vic 3 content

[@NordicUlfr]

Ah yes i rememeber the battle of antietam took half a year to finish. And when the british took back their colonies from the USA by just occupying D.C not anything else for a month. And who can forget that time when one african unit equipt with spears woon against a French naval invasion equipt with cannons muskets and opium.

[@jansatamme6521]

Guys its close, no1 has made a fun toned vic3 vid in a while, even cuckoen folded, maybe paradox ai will finally pick the 2nd braincell tech, they've only been doing the useless 10% output for 10% upkeep ones that are straight up bad (the stellaris refrence)

[@mr.spleens7800]

My first 2 Japan games went pretty bad but once you learn what to do, man, does Japan dominate

[@QWE2623]

50 seconds in, liked and subbed for epic college moment

[@endless123487]

Great vid, I enjoyed watching you suffer🙃 Could you also show the great power ranking/closing statistics at the end of your videos?

[@sahilhossain8204]

Lore of I Played Japan in Victoria 3 and All I Got Was Pain momentum 100

[@Quadrophiniac]

I want to like this game, but its just so boring right now I cant even bother. Maybe it will be a good game in like 8 years after 3000 dollars worth of DLC comes out

[@guyfromcollege]

I'm sure 2026 Vic3 players are living the dream right now

[@degoose2447]

You played vic 3 that’s why

[@jamesflynn6827]

Thanks college for reminding me why I'm not playing this game anymore and why I still hate to have bought it.

[@Kristof1]

nice thumbnail

[@LeviationUltra]

Hey college, what happened to the cold war iron curtain video?

[@guyfromcollege]

People didn't like the vhs filter on it, so I'm gonna reupload it in the morning without it.

[@charlesboozell2363]

This game is so close to being good, like one solid update on military and diplomacy and it would be so perfect.

[@youyouwow9979]

I understand I keeled playing Korea till I became the strongest and I got a game where I got 2b eco at the end of the game

[@Semppu1savolinen]

I bought vic3 without knowing anything about it, saw the new warfare mechanics and never played it since... I BEG that they bring back the mechanic from vic2 cuz the new one is just awful imo...

[@4EverArsenal]

Finally u uploaded

[@Azu512]

can't believe the game was released in this state.... I hate this gaming industry

[@Itsdankun]

I did subscribe because of this video😂

[@lazysorcerer]

Watching this video almost made the game seem fun, but then I remembered you probably cut out 90% of the gameplay that was just clicking on 'the expand building' button

[@hectortheking3619]

Yeaaah, Japan just isn't fun at all. I feel like the Meiji restoration would be so much better if there were more events relating to it. Causing the shogunate to revolt is really the only fun way to get it going at a decent time. After I tried Japan, I immediately played the Ottomans so I could suffer *while* having fun.

[@Tommy-qc4rj]

Kieran the shoddoddydoddy says hello x we should play

[@toka9479]

Hey I know this guy from Highschool

[@samuelkuminge77]

Nice Vid!

[@Turksters]

There seems to be a bug where naval invasions don't get proper support until you reassign the navy to escort convoys, hence the lack of invasion support.

[@theparegorickid23]

AHHHHH

[@prathamsingh1481]

You could just play a better game like um......🙃 modded Vic 2 and you won't suffer such problems.

[@Т1000-м1и]

Now try it with Vicky 2 and do a comparison

[@mushroomman52]

Yep, I'm not buying vic 3 for another few years

[@brabbits5308]

There's something wrong with diplomacy in this game

[@amatthew1231]

Amazing video, unfortunately no amount of quality content will fix that lazy auto-chess war system. Guess I'll wait a few years for DLC to fix it. And it really seems like quality just wins, which may be true irl, still debatable. If you sink millions into arms industry, professionalism, doctrine, technology. You'd think your tall quality Japanese army would be able to idk kill rebels? I wish Paradox had competition but they don't.

[@MAGICUSERNAME]

Hi I love your videos and can you maybe play old world blues the fallout nv mode for hoi4 please 🙏

[@callumander4141]

Bro only had 140m gdp as Japan in 1927…

[@NoahWeaverRacing]

It really sucks because this game can be pretty fun to play but it’s handicapped by the painfully subpar war system and nonsensical diplomacy. Forcing “diplomatic plays” to go to war is just awful, especially when AI decides it’s time to screw the player over again and join a war against you because you had the audacity to subjugate an island with 3K people on it

[@cobrazrt6006]

you should of taken Rome and made it Shinto smh

[@taricmain-highlights5976]

First of all respect for playing till the end, also quite good editing and good commentary. Poor gameplay though, your understanding of interest groups economy etc is kind of primal as far as I can tell. Long battles and so on are pretty shit though, but the right updates probably only happen if content creators start playing actually well. If you want to learn the game I would highly reccomend gerneralist gaming.

[@guyfromcollege]

What? Interest Groups, Economy all that stuff is pretty simple. You need to remember there is a lot of stuff I cut out of the videos, and playing Japan the most optimal way would be a lot more boring.

[@taricmain-highlights5976]

@@guyfromcollege I get that playing optimally is not always fun, but not using corn laws as japan is like playing eu4 outside of europe and not devpushing institutions. I did not mean to hate or anything. I liked the video it was entertaining, sry if it came over wrongly.

[@Aero3435]

Japan

[@yann2634]

latino music for Japan game match failed

[@rogofos]

you should pay more attention to infamy if you have high infamy everyone will hate you even if you previously had good relations with them that's why France sided with Korea I think

[@Elyseon]

Paradox really sucks at quality control and logic.

[@kuhluhOG]

Vic 3 has good and bad parts. Combat and warfare is probably its worst part tho.

[@IvyThePoisonous]

I dunno know why you are all Struggling so much. I didn't even have to go through a revolution, just a mega-doom loop of unending law change times.... Though majority of the Pacific was colonized by me lol... Though that is one of the core plays as Japan. You must colonize majority of Pacific before the Europeon's come. Get the southern New zealand before britain and there you have a good amount of raw resource deposits. After that I just commenced on the MEGA WAR for the Indonesian states where I vassalized about 90% of Indonesia (excluding DEIC). And after that I got a colony starting in Africa to get those street resources. Also starting your fleet after getting the colonies is the best strategy. If you did not beat an EU nation already, you can attack spain when they are in an war with another EU country by attacking Philiphines. With your fleet between the Indo-sea routes blocking the Spanish you can sorta (spawn kill) spanish ships enough times to exhaust them and getting recognized as a power. Though by the time I got 800K GDP Austria-Hungary has 2m GDP. So who am I to judge.

[@taserrr]

Well you do approach this game from the "wrong" point of view. It's supposed to be about economy, not painting the map with wars. In 1927 at the end of the video you had the economy of an 1880 Japan.

[@guyfromcollege]

Some may say that shift clicking factories and mines for 6 hours does not make for a very interesting video.

[@taserrr]

Yes that I can understand. But it is something you actively seek like with the african country video. Great video, but I do see a lot of comments here criticizing the game which to me seems undeserved.@@guyfromcollege

[@LaVaZ000]

Remove the "Japan in" from the title and it would still make sense.

[@gonshi9]

Skill issue

[@EscalateWorldOfTanksBlitz]

game is so boring lmfao

[@somesome23231]

Man you just can't play :) guys, stop bullshiting. The Japan is strong you just need to know how to play. I get to the 1b without even "open market" trick.

[@Salchooq]

If you can’t play don’t do let’s play

[@jaydensouth4502]

Just play vic1 much better than this

[@pels_stacked]

This game looks so bad man

[@FranklinDRooseveltUSA]

Spain is better

[@L_the_II]

Darfur better

[@CrashXII]

Building the Chinese Empire is even better

[@natebox4550]

America raped your navy smh.