I Played the New Guild Wars 2 PvP Mode - PUSH

[@Erik-ob4zb]

I would have prefered a 10v10 or 15v15 gamemode, with split objectives so you get both heavy teamfights and roaming. Somewhere in between www and the current gamemodes

[@row7820]

Would love to have something similar to alliance battles from gw1 factions. It was a fun 12 v 12 imo for its time

[@dragongoddragneel7106]

This seems like a good idea 💡

[@aeroblizz1987]

I approve

[@ozirus3344]

3 minute match 10v10 2 pushing lanes so you have to split offense and defense Wouldve been great 😔 but maybe its abusanble Hopefully they actually iterate on it and dont just give up on it

[@nikolamaksimovic6338]

Yeah me too man , arena just dont listen the pvp player didnt get a new map for years now. And this is the new a big meeeh for me

[@Zeferres]

Problem with too many game modes is that matchmaking queues get diluted. Chicken and egg dilemma. You need more game modes to attract more players. But on the other hand, not enough players with too many game modes means long queues or games never start. So instead they rotate some of the modes. Maybe a better solution is allow queueing for multiple modes so you join whoever team can be formed first. I haven't tried this mode yet but I'm sure I will like it because small team fights and very simple objectives (or none at all) are right up my alley. Like 4v4 Arena back in GW1.

[@Vallun]

you can allow all of them to be played in unranked, but have seasons or events to promote one game mode at a time

[@Stunex]

But something has to come first and it's certainly not the players. Worst case is PvP simply continues to die off but at least then the community has more variety while it lasts. I think people also tend to forget Stronghold exists. According to Anet (in the Push announcment post) only 10% of unranked queues are for Stronghold and I have personally never felt queues to be overwhelmingly long or the match quality to be any worse than Conquest to be honest. So, I think even the current player base can stomach a few additional queues, let alone if it can bring in more pvp players.

[@xoawolf]

Couldn't agree more with your closing points. We need diverse game modes, and we need them to be available all the time. I'm a long time PvPer, and I miss the days of jumping into Warsong Gulch, then Alterac Valley, as those were my favorite BGs back in the day. If Anet can put maybe 1 more game mode (2 flag CTF please), and have them be available all the time, I think we'd be cookin.

[@NickMarshman]

CTF would be so broken with gw2's mobility options. Unless all utilities and teleports get disabled, which wouldn't be fun for the flag carrier. Would be interesting to see if they could get that to work, but I think there's a reason why they haven't lol

[@xoawolf]

@@NickMarshman They already have mechanics that can deal with all of those. Look no further than Spirit Watch. Carrying the orb causes movement speed to be decreased by 40%, teleports and invulns cause you to drop the orb. I'm not saying that a CTF map should use those exact mechanics, but I am saying that there are already levers and tools that Anet can leverage to address those very concerns. And that's a very old map, been around for quite a while. So it's not even a new idea.

[@dulcetwho5770]

Maybe I missed something, but are people thinking that this beta is "release" and that it going away is them pulling it back because they want to rotate gamemodes or smth? Why do I keep seeing people say "have them be available all the time". I don't remember seeing anywhere that Push comes and goes, but again maybe I missed something which is def possible

[@xoawolf]

@@dulcetwho5770 In the context of the video, there are game modes that are not available all the time to PvPers, especially in ranked. The missing variable here, is that Vallun mentions in this very video that 2v2s and 3v3s go away when the season ends. No one mentioned Push specifically going away, just that game modes in general need to have more access. Another example is that you cannot in fact play Spirit Watch or Strongholds in ranked (though there may be precedence for those), their lack of availability reduces options for players. Essentially if Player A really enjoys TDM, and Player B really enjoys Conquest, the solution is not to remove or reduce 1 game mode over the other, because all you do is alienate that player base, potentially limiting the number of players willing to stay for PvP.

[@Nkodtb]

Ctf in gw2 would be so much fun

[@christinawilson7015]

I liked it so far. Feels different than conquest, and getting 30+ kills is chaotically fun. Solo quing as support is much more enjoyable in push than in conquest, imo. Nice perspectives in video, best explanation of the push objective I've heard. No one knew how to win in my games, including me 😂

[@MightyMicah]

Thanks for making this video, Vallun! Appreciate hearing your insights.

[@DubcityTX]

Good to see anet hasn't given up on the competitive modes

[@skatertrix411]

They did for almost 10 years though lol

[@meemigemeemes7875]

Releasing a mediocre not wanted mode by the Players is giving up

[@TildeSymbol]

Push just make bunkers a worse problem than it already was with essentially one objective to care about. Pretty much the winning team almost always has a Spellbreaker from my experience.

[@MrVorech]

Its a spellbraker problém not the mode really Its gonna get nerfed

[@winslowmusic11]

I want them to add something like Alliance Battles from GW1 to GW2 it was the best PvP in the original

[@stepheno5890]

Yeah, one of the biggest problems with development of this game is that they basically refused to make any of the stuff that actually brought people to the original game.

[@SentientBasil]

ive loved how nuanced this straightforward mode seems to be - play seems to be very situational and comp dependant going beyond the 'just stand on the node', but completley agree about the more diverse options with 2v3s that are accesable on season

[@Neoqpa]

I enjoy condi Specter on this map. Once I blow all my offensive cooldowns I can decide If I want to spam weapon skills on enemies or shield someone who needs help. Very fun. Will try GS Mirage today - it also looks fun :)

[@TheOblivionMan]

Personal opinion, but as far as strats go, I think Roamer's generally contribute way more in Push when they focus on spotting and bursting down any enemy Supports, with the other team's cannons being their secondary priority.

[@RaggedyMimiga]

I am successfully in a Vallun video, but it's only me getting gunned down in the back like a dog. I guess it still counts. As someone who doesn't mind support I really enjoy the mode (though my favorite spec isn't too useful in it), but the main appeal it's had to me is the briskness of it. Quick into the match, no map selection to drag on another half minute. The pregame timer is longer but I guess I can't help that. Quick in, quick to the team-fight, quick to respawn, quick to win/lose, and if it's not quick then it's actually a good game worth fighting. In WvW I'm perfectly fine being patient with my content, but for whatever reason I vastly prefer SPvP as a snappier mode. At the moment, in its early state, I would probably prefer this over conquest over duel seasons.

[@oxigenio06]

Thx for the video. In my opinion, i think gw2 pvp needs a game mode content structured where builds (and maybe gear) are pre-existing. So players have only to choose for the utilitary skills or weapons to go in fight. In conclusion, less choices on the draft to force balanced matchs.

[@Stunex]

The fact they have to add new buffs/debuffs etc just to make the mode kind of work - to me - is telling that there are other fundamental (balancing) issues plaguing PvP. And by introducing additional mechanics not present in Conquest they have already failed in their initial goal: making an introductory mode for Conquest. Anet is currently simply making something else entirely - which I don't think is bad, not everything has to lead up to Conquest and I wouldn't mind a new (better) mode just de-facto replacing Conquest in Ranked, but it's what Anet themselves have set out to do and it already doesn't work in the Alpha stage.

[@imenz93]

Since Stronghold is so unpopular why not just turn it into capture the flag? I think the map would work quite well for it

[@electricraikou6093]

I actually like stronghold. I dont see whats the issue with it?

[@gogadantes8699]

​@@electricraikou6093 Matches often take incredibly too long for the level of rewards given.

[@Stunex]

@@gogadantes8699 yea but unranked in general doesn't give great rewards (just the reward track). Would be nice if unranked progressed the League chest too. I think the main point is to time gate the league tickets and ascended shards of glory anyway. Not really sure why everyone has to play Ranked for it.

[@ServingCuntOverCountry]

I think it should be expanded in scale and player count, then be turned into an actual GvG mode honestly. It already has that vibe to it.

[@electricraikou6093]

@@gogadantes8699 i play for the fun, if i want loot pve is much faster than pvp even ranked

[@djdontgetcooked]

I think the biggest issue for sPVP is not the content its the updates. 1 value tweak update every 6 months is not going to cut it. Other competitive games are all updated on a weekly basis. This upcomming update and the Warrior Spear Nerf shows that cmc has completely lost the entire plot

[@JosephSaintClair]

Push is interesting. Fun. But need to play more to make my mind on good or whatnot. Teams with lots of grief abilities (stun, poison, blind, invulnerable, etc) or teams with support dominate hard in this mode to. To get 45:0 K:D a game seems like there’s balance issues and I hope this mode helps identify where effort should go for balancing (as it’s very heavy team fight based). But hard to base it solely on this mode. Need all modes. To understand this. So far. I’m finding it fun but the jury is yet to decide! Lol

[@benjaminp3899]

I've been playing lots of push lately. Super addictive and fun, but Indeed I think just because its novel. I also enjoy conquest. Odd opinion but important nonetheless: I think they should do a big graphic rework on the Push map. Why is it sons of svanir themed and not beautiful lush Janthir Forest for example? I think making a fresh new visual identity for the Push map could make it much more exciting for new people and already existing pvp'ers to get hyped about the map. I hope they change it to something else.

[@wodentheone-eyed1289]

They need to create deathmatch, 2v2, 3v3, 10v10, 20v20, new maps

[@kevlap017]

You know what would be funny, if they made the objective like those bombs in the tarir meta, making cc useful there beyond usage on players lmao. But more seriously I do like that it's faster than conquest. Conquest, when you're getting stomped, is a painful process, here at least it's quick.

[@Ban-lp1cg]

i agree with all you said, the issues is same like in conquest, the match making decide who's win. I got 3 matchs in row with full dps team vs a nice comps team (sup duelist, dps). You always that guys who shoot " Fight On PoinT", even as a squishy dps you'll die if stay on it. It's nice add this mode, but it's not for me

[@Tevesh42]

If you don't fix onboarding of new players then new modes / maps / whatever won't change a thing. PvP needs match replays and some tutorials / expanded training areas for newbies to learn quicker. Muting / Banning toxic people so that newbies aren't chased away after a single game. And maybe introducing some profession-based MMR / rank decay, because currently it is super painful to learn a new class, as you are at the same MMR on it as on your main. GW2 pvp is simply hostile to beginners, fix that first.

[@niFallon]

Guild Wars 2 doesn't have enough Guild Wars.

[@Matoro342]

I play core engineer and have around 1000 games in pvp, I mostly stopped because I realized the balance team doesn't care.

[@dragongoddragneel7106]

This is basically deathmatch mode

[@FlaxiEverafter]

People avoid PvP not because of the game modes, but because of the toxicity.

[@Vallun]

well thats a front we as a community need to get better at, and have failed to do so

[@Tevesh42]

@@Vallun Well Anet could help by actually doing something about toxic players. New game modes and maps is actually way more effort than a single moderator muting / tempbanning most reported people.

[@electricraikou6093]

Toxicity is a result of a bad queue division. New players dont have a queue for their own, people argue that "unranked" is the place for newbbies. But there are many experienced player queueing in unranked for valid reasons like being able to play in a full party, testing new builds, or a simple casual game while watching tv. The disparity can be quite big and lead to newbbies being negated all match, or angry exps having to carry 4 players that go together to cap an empty base. On the other side ranked toxicity is usually due to the algorithm itself when there is low population for your tier you get matched with players whose ranka balance yours, which leads to a similar result. IMO there should be a "under level xx" queue for unranked. And there should be a hndfull of timeslots for rannked. Like the tourney timeslots, people would only be able to q ranked during those times, that way you increase player population and your chances to play with same rank people increase

[@onlyXknives]

wtb 1v1 mode, 2v2, 3v3, 5v5, all ranked anytime we want, plus any game type, conquest, tdm, push, cap the flag, king of the hill etc. Also wtb no duo ques in ranked, do that sht in unranked where it belongs. I also wtb an actual 10v10 GVG game mode that they call Guild Wars, this game needs a middle ground, and it should not require you to be in an actual guild, it should just be like how spvp works, que up in an unranked version where it's public and have a ranked version where you can do your entire 10 man guild. People complain wvw is just blobs and they complain spvp is too small, this would be the middle ground and the unranked version would make a stepping stone for competitive ranked gvg and community 15-20 gvg stuff in wvw.

[@demianpelos]

Basically is who won the first team fight, and then is done in 20 seconds

[@scarecrow4274]

Would simple arenas (1v1/XvX) work in this game? I saw you 1v1 in guild hall and it looked fun. Last man standing mode (battle royal) also sounds fun, but there are certain classes that allow rat gameplay *cough* thief *cough* that would make it terrible.

[@ianp6994]

I wish push was more like tower control on splatoon. I'd prefer a smaller thing to push where only one person is needed to push it. Honestly I didn't like push at all. I wish it was more developed. Where I think anet is lacking is the lack of new maps. For pvp and wvw. I think new good maps would make things new and interesting

[@FlyLikeSlion]

just make this available to queue as a party that has more than 2 players do that for ranked and push and any mode. We just get demotivated having to play casual getting bashed by pros and then having to fights ultra noobs feeling like we understand the game , then getting bashed by pros again, thats not fun... Especially since we want to play the new mode together but can't because of the queuesize :(

[@MrVorech]

I only Hope they make more Diverse maps for this like in OW or Paladins And Its perfect for me

[@anannoyedpanda]

15v15 or 20v20. We don't need more small scale.

[@cmdrwraithe1857]

Let me guess...the most popular weapon in there right now is spear?

[@sebastianahlund6845]

This should be 10v10 even 15v15 imo

[@didoma73]

Do you get to progress your PvP reward track for trying out Push?

[@claudiomorenopohl6836]

Yes, and ranked pips for the ranked rewards

[@theamazinghaole2384]

It’s a great game mode but last night I swear I got hit with two groups with cheaters. One group could not be knocked down and seemed to always have a reflect up. It was wild. A 3 min match and not a single knockdown landed and I was watching for stability and didn’t see any ever. My buddy couldn’t even run bow. It was off too cause they stayed stacked the whole time like they knew something was off. If we actually got one dead someone would peel out and grab while three people held off 5. The match after that, the damage seemed why too high. I mean 9k autos on spear guard with low might no quick. That was like 60 secs cause it will just one shot after one shot on my team so we forfeit. Not fun walking out and just dropping from two hits. I don’t PVP cause this happens so much more to my group in PVP than WvW. We know how to play our classes but PvP has always felt unfair and even cheated on more match ups than we get in WvW. That feel alone I think is what will keep this mode down if not fixed.

[@halcyonrain2209]

New here. When playing against a support, should my team just focus the support? Any advice on strategy for a GW1 veteran would be lovely.

[@Vallun]

focus the dps first to prevent them from freely casting, then after the support has wasted their cooldowns and positioning to try to help, focus the support, either way never waste time chasing something when another thing is presenting itself to you

[@Redapenning]

nice

[@asgarzigel]

I thought the main problem was that there aren't enough PvP players, resulting in atrocious matchmaking? Adding more game modes would just dilute the pool even further, right?

[@Vallun]

keep the fish tank small and slowly let the remaining fish die, or enlarge the tank so you can add new species and hope that it can thrive or die

[@lairizzle]

There is some truth but when I did pvp I liked conquest and hated 2s/3s just like I enjoyed BG in wow but found arenas so boring. Different strokes could bring in more people. More variety and good rewards could increase the overall pool of people.

[@sw0495]

From my Point of View Queuesize and the result of manipulating matches with it is the Problem. New Players are forced to play 50 Games of Unranked where a 5 Man of "pro" Players can easily stomp them, which leads to frustration as new Players donÄ't know what's going on and quit. Id prefer a split from Random Arenas with single queue and Team Arenas where people can team up to a full Group, like we had in gw1. Let the newbies and casual Players play in their own sandbox.

[@MrQuay03]

Can Anet just bring back GW1 turtle Luxon, Kurzick fight and jade sea fight? I used to love playing those

[@Weasel6x6]

Cool vid :) tyyy

[@magimixil]

so they add 5v5 and its fun

[@MrVyse]

The Damage Buff in Combination with an Spearbender is way to broken.. Hello 30k aoe DPS every few sec and able to survive everything.. and ofc willbenders have better mobility than thiefs lmao

[@ssgj_luke4486]

Does gw2 have 2v2s now??

[@Vallun]

has been for a while, but never supported that much

[@MisterNo1111]

I would like to see your idea video for apsolutlly new players in PvP❣️💯❣️ p.s. i would like that thay leave all the time 2:2 and 3:3, meabe even 1:1

[@violent.x]

@@MisterNo1111 ranked 1v1’s would be GOATEDDDD. but 2v2 and 3v3 would be so nice to have all the time

[@dragongoddragneel7106]

Push isn't for casuals imo. Gw2 suffers from too many skills too fast in PvP We can't even see the skills half the time Team fighting on a single node increases this even more, so it's for sure not for newbies

[@dulcetwho5770]

Maybe you and the others who think that should say something within the forums or use whatever outlet you have to tell Anet. I keep seeing people say that there's issues with it, and while Im sure there are as Ive not put time into the beta yet cuz of my schedule, but I have a feeling it's gonna be another one of those Gaming situations where people complain or dont like something when the devs ask for input, and because Gamers are generally pretty lazy they won't actually do the "input" part and instead just complain. Your points are totally valid btw, not trying to downplay that. Im just trying to say if this is how you feel and how it is pleaaase just say something. Take a very small break from gaming and talk about it, discuss it. They're being open about receiving feedback. Make use of that to make the game you and we all play better.

[@LudvikKoutnyArt]

They were promising intermediate 15v15 mode for years and we got this crap instead :/

[@dawidstepien72]

This fixed nothing, the main issue is still here - match making with option to change the character after pairing is done. Also there's an issue with the balance ofc.

[@claudiomorenopohl6836]

But it adds new content for pvp, besides this is alpha. They still have time to fix match making before the full release of push

[@v8rockz]

WVW still thrash, thx Anet..

[@daydev2599]

They know you'll come anyway if you want those Gifts and also Conflux.

[@v8rockz]

@@daydev2599 that's a point...😁

[@evelynn2790]

pvp is not casualy at all... i can play little good with 2 classes................ there for im getting bored.. and i cant just test other class beacous it would suck kinda problematic i feel like even if i know exactly what to press im still not doing sometimes real good dou to many factors so if i pick just random class theres no way im playing lol...

[@FaradayDave-x2s]

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[@violent.x]

2s/3s all the time would be litty 🔥

[@ProfilaktiskasLT]

this push is so disapointing.. and its for 2 weeks..

[@thekaimurai4146]

Ventarí revenant going to be op in this mode

[@jimmybjörklund-w9k]

so basically, this mode is shiit?

[@shaunanigans3364]

i’m not a fan. There is no need for role diversity - if everyone rolls bunker + healer then there’s no beating that

[@electricraikou6093]

Thats a misconception. Pvp amulets give very little health and heal. Honestly is as Vallun says, if you cant kill them you need to re do your dps build

[@Ni2D]

​@@electricraikou6093 If that's true, then why most people run either sage or avatar in 2x2? 🤔

[@electricraikou6093]

@@Ni2D do all 2v2's end in a tie? by your reasoning they would if they cant be killed, and thats not the case

[@demianpelos]

Also why they are boxes. At least grab another asset an out it there instead boxes. Very lazy and poor development

[@demianpelos]

Horrible mode