I raised a GRIEVANCE at work and was threatened with dismissal. Can that be fair? [LBC Legal Hour]

[@Padraigp]

Whats the point of having a greivence raising. Capacity if you just punish people for raising them.

[@4TheRecord]

I almost think it's to catch problem staff. If you use the process you are a problem. So best never to raise any issues.

[@wetflannel6343]

To pretend employees matter or have a say

[@UKRenna]

I would resign and claim constructive dismissal, and get a job somewhere else. Sounds toxic.

[@ciaran134]

Companies don't like employees being apart of unions trust me from experience

[@hellalive8973]

Having been both an employer and an employee dealing with unions - companies have very little to worry about with unions providing they are complying with employment law as they should be. In my experience unions are less than useless

[@ciaran134]

@@hellalive8973 in babcock they're brilliant, alexanders if you mention union mangers back off. But some companies they're bad

[@loc4725]

@@ciaran134 Lower / entry level managers _sometimes_ take note but in my experience those that have 'made it' largely seem to see them as an inconvenience. For example, my mother was part of one of the NHS Unions and when it was discovered that one of the admin staff had been illegally skimming & embezzling wages *they did nothing* to recover the back pay. Same thing with routinely denying staff breaks on 12-13 hour shifts and allowing serious incidents to go without remedial attention. Not interested at all it seemed.

[@feedbackryan2362]

@@hellalive8973I’m not sure which part of the world you live in for unions to be that useless but in here in Canada, employers fear them.

[@hellalive8973]

@@feedbackryan2362 UK

[@semperidem2577]

So glad I spent most of my working life working for myself. I don't miss all this corporate BS one iota.

[@zatoichiche]

Good to see you bigging up the unions Daniel, would be good if you did an episode of your podcast on trade unions.

[@lukeluke7082]

He’s great isn’t he. Great content wish there were more of these videos

[@damiencogman]

Raising a grievance straight away probably isnt the way to go. Should do it informally firstly. Then after that if the problem doesnt get sorted then raise a grievance. But alot of the time there are too many chiefs in the workplace and no communication. The other problem is clicks and everything for some.

[@TaxingIsThieving]

1:40 Meaning?

[@markc5999]

I worked in a call center once upon a time someone raised a grievance against me and they ended up getting suspended and sacked for making false accusations. I didn't even know of the complaint until the other person was sacked, i also didn't have a clue this person had an issue with me.

[@stoneagepig3768]

Well there's only your word that it was actually a false allegation, and if it's true that you weren't even aware of the complaint until after they were dismissed then whatever investigation your employer carried out was obviously incomptetant. Don't suppose you were friends with the boss at the time were you? Your story sounds dodgy as hell

[@markc5999]

@stoneagepig3768 I was accused of calling him a C**t because when I left on a Thursday for a long weekend I said see you next Tuesday to him. Until after he was sacked I didn't even know that was a thing. The employer is a big well known company, I believe they are a FTSE 100 company. Wouldn't say I was friends with my manager, never socialised outside of work or anything like that. I can only assume either this person had done similar things in the past and were found to be rubbish or he hadnt been there for more than 2 years when you get your employment rights so they just got rid of him .

[@4TheRecord]

Just make sure you never complain about anyone or you'll be their next target to get rid off and there won't be any real investigations with your employer by what you've already told us.

[@krazeeekuzin8840]

My Union is not supportive, they have sided with the employer, how do you get the union to work for you?

[@QuietlySoulful359]

Find another union

[@HRShanghai]

Classic

[@vanman266]

You are probably in the wrong then.

[@Mightypi]

Short awnswer is to talk to your union. If its the union thats agreed with the policy (etc) then maybe time to think about a new one. IF its the local rep thats made the call, talk to them about it, if you have a genuine issue they might recall the Rep's possition and hold a rep election, get someone new in the roll. Good luck bud, While unions can seem to be unhelpful at times, they (normaly) do have the members best intrests at heart .

[@kashmone9y99]

I've worked as a rep. Sometimes you have to tell people that either that's how it works and we can try to change it but it requires support from other people or the colleague needs to raise it as a grievance because sometimes that might be a policy. However also like all forms of life you can have reps who don't or longer have the fight to change things and these can be voted out or asked to resign

[@CT-ie8ll]

Who are the best union to go for

[@Classicbeauty857]

HR will never take the employee’s side it’s their job to protect the company and any complaint you make you’re asking for trouble! Report it then seek legal advice.

[@loc4725]

I had a pretty low opinion of Unions to start with, mainly after seeing the way my mother's NHS union kept in (my opinion catastrophically) failing her but after joining one (non-NHS) and needing help with a pay dispute my opinion is now pretty close to rock bottom. They're quick to take the money, very verbose about specific issues whey they can bang on about 'being here for you' but about as useful as a wet paper grocery bag when you have an issue, even if that issue is simple.

[@Padraigp]

I didnt even know they helped people with personal issues i thought they just did it like as a group thing for everyone to get pay not individuals. Are the nhs unions sort of sold out? I assume you can also form other unions apart from the official ones maybe? Maybe theyre corrupt in the unions as well.

[@embee1983]

NHS! You will never ever win! Union or no union. Get out, don’t deal with it, it’s not worth it!

[@TheMusicianTom]

When I was an employee my union was excellent. I was in BT. Now I’m a freelancer.

[@edwardlyons6965]

Dear Listeners, in Tim Field's seminal text 'Bully in Sight', he mentions that in 95% of cases of bullying complaints, the organisation via its HR department turns their ire on the actual complainant or 'target' to use the Bullying domain language. How is this so? Tim Field explains that the grievance procedure doesn't work for one fundamental reason: the number one job of HR is to protect the senior management of the organisation. That is exactly what they are doing to this guy. Once they have transferred him to another department, you can bet they will put him on what is called a 'Capability Procedure', then they will sack him.

[@EDINTOWN]

I have represented myself and others at an Employment Tribunal before and in this case, I think they are trying to scare you. If your grievance was offensive, threatening or unprofessional, then the Tribunal will likely weigh the options of redeployment.

[@kdlofty]

I've just had my career completely destroyed on the back of of a false allegation/grievance against me. I wasn't even given the chance to defend myself. Question, is it illegal to make a false allegation against someone at work?

[@iffysd9864]

If you can prove its false and have more than two years

[@kdlofty]

@@iffysd9864 Yes I can prove it's false, unfortunately I don't have two years service. There's no evidence I've done anything wrong. Just a statement of how i allegedly made somebody feel. My witnesses were never interviewed, nor was I given a chance to defend myself. And they're telling other outlets near where I live that I'm barred due to "concerns over my behaviour" I've done absolutely nothing wrong other than help them. Surely this is now bordering on harassment? I need help. This is not right.

[@TaxingIsThieving]

​@@kdlofty Who is it?

[@kdlofty]

@@TaxingIsThieving Who is who? I've actually got a letter from them saying there's absolutely no evidence against me.

[@antilaw9911]

You dont need more than 2 years. Once your in the union. ​@@iffysd9864

[@boomsatsuma1544]

Good shout out regarding union membership. While it’s unlikely you’ll use it you’ll get excellent help in case of problems like this for not that much money.

[@Steven.Cartwright]

If a company don't think your worth anything or mean anything to them then i would just move on to the next job. I know its hard but its like begging them to keep your job when they dont want you there ? They will get KARMA trust me thats how life goes.

[@---df5sr]

2 managers had an issue with him. Sounds like this guy is the problem. He is the type to call up a radio show to complain… says it all… Almost as bad as leaving a youtube comment

[@JaiJai-by4tp]

The managers are likly young kids not used to people standing up for their rights

[@4TheRecord]

Never ever raise a complaint at any workplace because they will find a way to get rid of you. Just find a new job and leave without telling them anything. I learned this the hard way.

[@insunavox]

GMB is rubbish union - don't go for them.

[@mikestead3804]

I have had so many people like this guy who has a problem with every manager he works under, he walks in with the Union Rep and the worker tells his story then I tell my side of the story with documentation to prove the opposite, and on every occasion, I won the one guy who went to tribunal also lost. a lot of people call a fair annual assessment harassment and bullying

[@ghostghost7067]

this is ridiculous 😂 😂 😂

[@tracer1127]

Something that always amazes me is that people want to continue to work for companies that they are unhappy working in. The guy has now had 2 grievances against 2 different managers. If everyone else is happy to work with these manager’s and doesn’t have issue’s then sometimes you are going to have to be honest with yourself and admit the issue is with yourself. If you don’t like the job or you can’t stand the way they operate leave. No one is holding a gun to your head, go and find a company that operates as you want it to.

[@timhare9867]

Sometimes the issue isn’t with the company, but with specific people in it. I’m that case, why should one person put themselves and their family at a financial loss by leaving simply to appease another? It also comes down to what he specifically raised a grievance about, and whether it has anything to do with how his manager is behaving in the office. It’s down to a tribunal to determine whether that behaviour is appropriate, regardless of how many managers the employee may have had difficultly working with. Not the employer, and not the employee.

[@27May1988]

Yes it is the same here too, when you have responsibilities it is not easy, maybe you have to feed your loved ones put roof over their head, and also maybe it is a laziness as well. it took me 16 years to change and am done with the one am doing now. you can never win here, you are just an object to the company, they got money and they care less, they would prefer to use robot than using human who demands rights and dignity.

[@telmagomes72]

Hi. How can I have a consultation with you I need URGENT help PLEASE!!!! Thank you.

[@Mike_TGL]

This employer sounds terrific.

[@coderider3022]

3:08 YES !

[@jblogs1000]

workers grievance WHEN WE GET A WORKER this should be applied but these are hard to find in the uk unless immigrants

[@carolesutton3082]

Unions take back handers of big companies

[@remainertears]

Sounds like a deadbeat employee

[@Mcfc2Rich]

Deadbeat comment. It's these ignorant people that think they know a lot when in reality these people know nothing, nothing of any value. They're just there. Like old furniture. Taking up space. No valid opinions, no valid input, just generic, basic people.