I Read Your Hate Comments about Fishing Crowded Salmon Rivers!

[@FishingwithRod]

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[@steveneastman813]

Rod, thank you for this video. I really appreciate your positive outlook and the teaching you do for the sport. More people should look at the fact that it’s about everyone not just them.

[@paula.2422]

Hi Rod. I do appreciate this video (and all your other videos) and the intent behind it...and I wholeheartedly agree with having a good attitude and helping each other...100% agree! I would love to see you address some of the points of etiquette and respect. Everyone wants to enjoy the resources and catch fish and the river is big. Please do not crowd others and diminish the experience for everyone including yourself...especially in pocket water with short drifts. I recently experienced 9 people crowding a pocket that could be fished by 4 people...MAX...and 4 would've been crowded! I understand and agree this is here for all to enjoy but please please please, if others have gotten to a spot you want to fish before you, don't force your way in...move to either end spacing out accordingly or look for another run. Don't be a rude bully, it's disrespectful.

[@joevales6775]

Thank you @fishingwithrod for this video. I'm sorry to say, but when there is no enforcement/no consequences, people get away with breaking the rules and don't care abut etiquette. The majority of anglers and fishing is done on the weekends. I have yet to see a conservation officer on the weekends. A change how enforcement occurs will help decrease the issues, and prevent disputes. Cheers!

[@WadeBaune]

Thank you Rod for your positive take and education on what could have gone a different way with your response. As far as fishing a crowded river bank. I got my start on a river that was crowded. Most of the people fishing there were helpful and considerate because I asked questions about etiquette and didn’t just crowd in. Most recently I started fishing a new river system and after three times fishing there a local shared how to properly fish there. What tackle to use and when in the tide is best. Respect goes a long ways! It would have taken many, many more hours of fishing without people’s help than with it.

[@andykjohnsonjohnson7622]

Nice feedback from the comments Rod 👍. As I fishd Stave river alot , & saw plenty of fights brake out. Over crowded lines, & people ' bottom bouncing & perpacely snagging fish. Absolutely Disgusting.

[@jaredmay3410]

Rod, that’s great advice in regards to reporting potential and observed violations, that way they can pinpoint areas to patrol and observe. And then, the presence of the field officers help to ward off unethical practices, I think that clarification is definitely something I haven’t heard normally broken down. Everyone can play a part, even if you aren’t a confrontational person, you can do your part. And if you don’t mind saying something to the individual(s), then do so in a gracious manner- and then leave it to them to make the right decision. Where people go wrong is they approach folks in a threatening manner, and in all reality, it just causes more issues- when they really can’t do anything but tell them the right thing. Love the videos and you have great advice man!

[@paula.2422]

Hi Rod. Another excellent video with some great points. I understand that everyone wants to enjoy the resources available. What I think may be workable is to add a regulation stating you must not encroach within 3 or 4 meters of another fishermen....whatever the number is determined to be reasonable. Most people are courteous and respectful but unfortunately some are not. I personally try to avoid the crowds because that's not an enjoyable way to fish...for me. I think a minimum distance may be workable...possibly 🤔

[@hdavies0]

I'm from the UK originally and one of the great benefits of Canada is the freedom to access the river and inexpensive fishing. Raising the price would shut out anglers on lower incomes and that's unfair. If you want to reduce access then look to measures in place for hunting or even traffic, any congestion based solution is worth considering to avoid making it a rich mans hobby. For busy rivers such as the Vedder, you could just stipulate that angling licenses ending on even numbers can go on even number calendar days and vice versa. An exception process could allow linked licenses so families or buddies can fish together fish together. Alternately, move north, but if you want fishing spots close to a major city then you have to expect congestion. Last point, fish abundance should determine access and angling numbers or the resource will become exhausted. edit: agree with a poster below, more fishery officers are needed for the busy rivers.

[@elliotlanceley7745]

I'm from the UK also mate and lived in Canada for years and recently moved back. I actually like it in the UK more (of course not the numbers of salmon though haha) and I think that the slightly increased cost to fish a beat is worth it for the less fisherman about. I think that if you're paying for gear and gas a few quid more for a quiet river is worth it imo. Or as you say, just move north!

[@denny8360]

Thanks for making these educational videos over the years, you've helped me get started whether it's equipment, technique or just enjoying the fishing. I have had some bad experiences on the vedder two years back when I was new to salmon fishing where I've ran into someone willing to cut my lines accusing me of using more than one hook, when I am strictly following proper set up following examples from people like you and have never used more than one hook. Now that I think about it, I had a fish on and this guy may have tangled my line with his, and he cut my line as a result and tried to blamed it on me. These "confrontational" people can be dangerous and threats were thrown around, I can see how a fight could take place with people like that on the river. Reporting violations are very different from illegal interventions, when it's not your job to over step boundaries and enforce regulations, just tell them what you see as possible bad practices, there's no reason to let out the anger on strangers. We are all out there to have a good time in nature, it helps everyone to be nice to each other.

[@jonathonledward1525]

Thanks for the video rod! Just so you know I've never blamed ya 😉 something that I would love to see is more access to other rivers the pitt the fraser ect for catch and release, or even other rivers up the canyon into region 3 why there isn't hatcheries or support for salmon numbers on those rivers is beyond me. I don't fish for meat as often as I fish for fun and relaxation or just purely a reason to be outside and busy. Opening up more opportunities would definitely help alleviate pressure on the few rivers we are allowed to fish.

[@reesebender6756]

Thanks for covering a lot of important topics regarding salmon fishing and other anadromous fisheries. Most of your comments would apply equally to Oregon where I live and also Washington and California. As you probably know California had no ocean salmon or freshwater fishing for salmon this year due to some poor returns. Things should turn around the next few years because there is more water in their rivers lately. Tight lines!

[@rainygirl65]

I’m from the salmon capital of the world 🌎 , I’ve seen all kinds of silly things but the majority of people who come here are respectful and reasonable people. I love seeing new people come here and hook into their first salmon 🍣. I have helped hundreds of people learn how to catch salmon here. Thanks for your videos they really help 🎉

[@duncanfoster964]

Thank you for your knowledge and your help to make fishing here at home in BC better! Everyone should have this knowledge and respect to this

[@MrFowl]

Really appreciate your videos. More knowledge out there is always better than none

[@corbfisher]

Nice discussion, Rod. Great points you are bringing up, but it is sort of sad that you have to do this at all. I tend to avoid crowded situations because I like the peace of fishing and don't like to deal with a lot of other people. It seems people just are not considerate towards others any more.

[@ronhunter8903]

Very good video Rod. Just wanted to point out that combat fishing is a very real issue on many crowded northern rivers as well because access to go fishing in good spots can be very limited if you do not have a boat consequently accessible fishing spots can be quite crowded. The etiquette issues you mentioned are relevant in northern BC as well.

[@CharlieYTChannel]

Thank you, Rod for this video. Fish On !!!

[@SamFishingChannel]

Thank you, Rod! Always love your videos and especially these kinds to educate everyone. I always learn something 😊

[@hublocker849]

I am 71 years old. I grew up fishing on salt water and from age 9 I was out onthe water off Vancouver Island with a rowboat alone trolling for salmon. And catching them. Since I moved to Vancouver in 1986, on good pink years I bought a tidal waters icence and tried to catch pinks in the Fraser River. No luck. I tried to fish at that crowded bridge spot once. I fished all day shoulder to shoulder with others and didn't get a bite no matter what I used on the end of my my line. I still have never ever caught a salmon in fresh water.

[@MordDorr]

So true, everyone is just out there trying to have fun. We pay for our license, our gear, and give up our time for this sport. Lets play nice, be friendly and not go out looking for trouble. Cheers.

[@jorgemartinez-compains8369]

Great video! I believe that what is needed to prevent people doing the wrong thing is to increase the funding for the DFO and have more operatives available to patrol the rivers.

[@petrhermanadventures9509]

Nice video Rodney, thanks for the mention.

[@stevethuesen3015]

Rod, Great talk. I appreciate your insights.

[@richvh3961]

It’s funny how friends can fish shoulder to shoulder with no issues , but we can’t find the same kindness to strangers .

[@Shwap36]

Because shoulder to shoulder flossing isn’t fishing

[@tylerm8622]

​@stephenryan2206 does that change what he said. Or are you saying that people don't like to be see doing it? Because I have seen all types

[@richvh3961]

@@Shwap36 never said anything about flossing , have never even fished rivers in the lower mainland . Chinook fishing on the Atnarko is getting to be as busy .

[@jasonsfishingagain312]

Friends? What are these, "friends" that you speak of?

[@tylermugford1763]

Tried today shoulder to shoulder for the first time out of a small hole at Qualicum river. So hard to not hit people when your rods 10+ feet. And shame on the person who foul hooked chinook and killed em.

[@TheFishingDoctorsAdventures]

Rod I moved to British Columbia from California 10 years ago now.... it's all your fault, haha! Thanks for all the videos and information on how to fish the rivers. Very helpful resource. Unfortunately some people don't realize the population growth of lower mainland. It's better to have new anglers understand best practice and fair catch methods... then have them out there watching the gong show and trying to figure it out on their own.

[@coleomo]

honestly pretty sad we don't really have the lower fraser anymore for salmon besides the odd pink opening for a couple weeks or coho once they are gone. Would love to be able to bar fish the tidal regions. Washington still seems to have lower tribs on major rivers open to chinook and coho(Colombia river for example) wonder what we are doing wrong.

[@jamesscott933]

My number one piece of advice is show respect to people you are fishing around. My favorite experience was fishing the Vedder and the guys below me told me to left my drift go further, even though it would pass right in front of them because I was missing too many fish. Trying to get along has resulted in some of my best days fishing. Honestly if we could produce a couple of other Vedder river fisheries, there would be more to go around. We're talking about a river with abundant runs of salmon. No boats. And the most access of any west coast river. If you want to complain, complain there isn't more opportunities like the Vedder.

[@thecount1001]

i too read these comments and on other social media. some people like to say 'mind your dam business'. well, the fishery is everybodies business because it is a public resource. so i get upset, and i understand when others get upset at totally unethical behaviours, and it SHOULD be called out. minding your own business is BS when bigger picture values and issues are at stake, then it is my business when some people are killing/destroying fish illegally and unethically. and if it comes to blows, well i sure hope not, but i'm going to defend wildlife and the respect the rule of law. there are a shocking amount of bad actors out there. action is required

[@FlyingPhil]

Great videos Rod. Always enjoy yours and Linda's videos. How many of the Salmon are release back into the river to travel up to Chilliwack Lake and the creaks that feed the lake? Also if you do catch a Salmon that makes it to the lake must you release it?

[@FishingwithRod]

Thanks. So for the wild components (wild coho, chum etc), most of them don't in fact come into the hatchery. They usually bypass and continue on to the upper watershed and spawn in the off channels, as well as the creeks that feed into the lake. The sport fishing boundary for salmon is just downstream from the hatchery, so there's no fishing for salmon in the upper watershed and the lake.

[@SGV_HSG]

I’ve accustomed to combat fishing here in Washington and fishing has increasingly become more popular with the younger generation, which is a good thing. The only thing that annoys me and continues to be a problem, is when folks hooksets in such a way that potentially could collide with my rod. Has happened many times so far. I use Gloomis IMX (recently discontinued) exclusively so am quite sensitive to avoid rod collisions.

[@giand5719]

Time to buy an IMX-PRO and save the IMX for places with less people.

[@SGV_HSG]

@@giand5719 I was thinking to use a “Walmart Special” tuna rod 😆

[@AaronPeters-n8m]

I think a big part of the divide and one that I find myself getting upset about is not the crowds but how the majority of people fishing are not fishing the right way. When you have a mix of people fishing normally and then a mix of people ripping floats and snagging fish and turning the bite off while not knowing how to fish in a crowd is the problem. People who don’t know how to fish in a group or not know how to fish at all should spend time learning the right way to fish before going into a crowded spot. If there was 50 guys in a run and they were all trying to fish properly there wouldn’t be such a big problem.

[@danheffable]

Thanks for making this video Rod, I think that You-tubers like yourself and Matt Sharp from Pacific Angler teach people how to fish ethically...I have noticed that flossing has become less frequent over the past few years. That said, I like to hike the river and find spots where I can fish in peace

[@BallinRiceBowl]

I honestly feel like everyone should start their salmon fishing journey in a combat environment. It really gives you full exposure to learn etiquette and the social skills needed to better yourself as an angler. I’ve learned so much from it and it’s allowed me to be accommodating to other anglers that want to fish near me and helped me understand when and when not to cast. And also the common courtesy to reel in when someone is walking down or up river fighting a hot fish. At times as well, combat fisheries can turn into more of a communal fishery if folks are able to properly communicate and chill out.

[@SGV_HSG]

@@BallinRiceBowl +1

[@rowdymacd]

First thanks for all the good work you do for our fisheries rod. Second there’s a simple solution to the crowds. If people do not like them simply stay away. Hike and explore. Find new “quiet” spots where there are no people. There are plenty of these places if you venture out. Crowds will always be a part of easily accessible rivers and that’s just the way it is. We are all entitled to a day of fishing but it’s up to us where we spend that day.

[@FishingwithRod]

Yeah definitely. I've been fishing at a spot around perhaps 500m to 1km away from a really busy spot in the past two weeks, with nobody around most of the time. 🙂

[@rowdymacd]

@@FishingwithRod yes I find that you don’t have to move much most times to find peace and fish lol. I’ve done a lot of hiking on other systems recently to and found many fishable places.

[@RobertFregonese]

Rod i live in ontario the north shore of lake ontario has a great number of salmon especially the ganaraska river. The government has recently shut the river down because of unethical poaching. If you haven't heard check it out ..

[@Anthony-e8g8x]

There should be some kind of course for recreational sport fishing people who are interested in getting into sport fishing. Just like they have for people wishing to go hunting. Can be very helpful in educating people. Whether young or old.

[@geostrong3606]

Thk u sir for time I fish salmon in Michigan u made me a better fisherman

[@FishingwithRod]

Glad I could help!

[@madsen1971]

Rod, I’d vote for you as the next Deputy Minister of Fisheries and Oceans.

[@mikebrugge8617]

There should be a limited entry program as it is with hunters our hikers on the west coast trail which only allows a certain amount of fisher,s per day on the river.

[@chrisb2528]

uh no there ABSOLUTELY should not

[@janlykkegaardnielsen4772]

Hej Rod. Love seeing your videos. Going to chilliwalck every year and are coming 06.10-20.10 this year. when I get a fish hooked, can I give my rod to another and let him keep the fish? Jan from Denmark

[@cohoblue6512]

Hooking a fish on your Rod and then giving it to someone else to keep is definitely not allowed - what you can do however is get that person to Buy a 1 day fishing licience for around $8 then you can help them to catch and Keep their own fish that is the only Legal way to do it ortherwise you could find yourself being prosecuted . You definitely Can NOT give your rod to some one else ..

[@fishduckdog]

Keep up the great work Rod! Thanks for sharing!

[@leeamtivers9922]

as long as that person has a license with salmon tag yes

[@leeamtivers9922]

@@cohoblue6512 false. if the person has a license its fine

[@ChipDarby13]

@@cohoblue6512 Is that in the regulations somewhere? I’m curious because here in Lillooet when a sockeye opening occurs, the conservation officers said that it’s legal for someone with a license to take your rod after you’ve hooked a fish and land it themself. Everyone does it and it wasn’t an issue even right in front of the CO’s. I tried to find it in the regulations but couldn’t. I’ll keep looking!

[@icydrake2731]

hello Rod, always love your video. I learn a lot from your video. I have a quick question for you as I always straggle this myself when ever I go fishing. When going fishing on vedder river, how do you determined weather to go upper river (up river pass crossing) or go fishing lower river (by the cannal), Also upon arrival on the spot, what your indication weather to stay on the spot you choice or switch spot? as there are so many spot on Vedder River, sometimes its hard to decide weather to go upper Vedder river or going lower part of the river. Would you mind sharing your thought on this. thank you for you time.

[@abc-df1vg]

The decision whether to fish upper river or lower river is based on many factors. The type of fishing gear you're using, the species you're targeting, the time of year you are fishing, whether you want to retain fish or not, the quality of the fish you want to retain, how comfortable you are or not fishing in crowded holes, the water conditions, just to name a few factors. The general rule of difficulty of access, the more hiking you have to do to get to a spot, the less competition with other anglers. If you don't mind fishing shoulder to shoulder with other anglers the lower river is an option based on the other factors I've mentioned. Fish quality degrades with time in fresh water but different species degrade at different rates. Finding an ocean fresh, sea lice adorned chinook in the lower river is common early in the season in the lower river but extremely rare late in the season in the upper parts of the river and by upper parts I'm defining upper as above Tamahi bridge. Coho seem to degrade at a slower rate as finding bright silver coho is common in the upper river. There are too many factors that are personal to each individual angler to give an answer. You have to decide for yourself what you want from your fishing experience and then consider all of the factors I've mentioned.

[@littlegoobie]

I'm not sure increasing the price does much. If the fishing is good, they will pay. The only difference is that there might be a different income range of the crowds. The best example of this is where i fish in alaska. non resident licence is $100, king stamp is another $100, gear and food is 25-200% more than most places, accomodations are double, lodges average about $10K/week, charters were $300-500/day this year. This is all USD, in addition to the cost of getting there, and yet millions of people still go to the state just to fish and crowd up the fishing spots with the locals.

[@Steve_K_Tseng]

On the topic about the Fraser River being closed, anyone know how DFO determines whether you're "targetting" salmon or not? I know it's been closed to Salmon fishing, but not coarse / Sturgeon fishing. If I use spinners to target Northern pikeminnow and DFO checks, could they accuse me of "targeting" salmon with this method, even if I use 1/16oz spinners with tiny hooks and an ultralight rod? Heck, could they accuse me for "bar fishing for salmon" if I'm actually using a bottom rig (size 12 hooks) for Peamouth Chub / Northern Pikeminnow using dew worms?

[@garystevens1044]

It happens down here in california. Or i should say it used to on the FEATHER RIVER AND AMERICAN RIVER. But not on the feather really anymore since the ban on salmon fishing But steelhead fishing on the american is getting just as bad now

[@FishingwithRod]

Yeah we have it pretty good here. Abundance of fish is not an issue in many of our fisheries, it's the lack of space and limited opening period.

[@damonpyett]

The Vedder needs Full time fisheries officers until that gets fixed that river will continue to be trash

[@WilliamWinsor]

One way is to politely explore fishing areas and observe the places and methods and get there early enough to grab a spot the next day and not bug anybody.

[@jimsomerville3924]

I don't even bother fishing crowded locations anymore. It's not fun, and that's the whole point. Going at a less crowded time and trying a non-typical technique sometimes leads to success.

[@ix_stompdown_-xi8199]

Is there any spots I could fish well being in a wheelchair? I’d like to try the vedder next year.. I used to fish in the Skeena and bulkley river before my injury…

[@FishingwithRod]

Unfortunately no at the moment. A lot of access in the lower river is closed right now, but next year should be ok. There are limited spots for wheel chair access, I can only think of the stretch just above the train bridge in Hopedale and directly out from Lickman Road parking lot. Both accesses were only established a decade ago and we should advocate for more so others like yourself have the opportunities to do it too. I just returned from the Bulkley, what a beautiful part of this province.

[@River-B-fishing]

Hey rod just wondering if you could clarify the lincencing for river fishing salmon I know if your under 16 for salmon in the ocean you need a tag but is it the same for rivers? I’ve looked up online but can’t find a clear answer, thanks

[@FishingwithRod]

For freshwater fishing, here is the info: “If you are under 16 and a resident of B.C., no licences or stamps are required to fish non-tidal (fresh) waters in B.C. You do not need to be accompanied by a licence holder and are entitled to your own quota of fish.” www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/sports-culture/recreation/fishing-hunting/fishing/recreational-freshwater-fishing-licence

[@River-B-fishing]

@@FishingwithRod thanks for clarifying wasn’t totally sure

[@Westcoast_Fishing]

To each their own. I personally like to fish in peace and quit away from everyone else.

[@twistedendz-b4t]

Really surprised this has never been brought up before, you do a good job at trying to educate people and making videos. Hats off to you for that. But on the other side of the coin do make your living off of this site? Thru advertising and other means? Just saying your not doing it to be a nice guy. You are supporting yourself and your family. The more content you have out there the more views your website gets the more interest in companies want to advertise the more you can charge. If I am wrong I apologize but from what I have seen you have other agendas to get more people on the river, buying tackle from your sponsors. Booking trips thru guide companies advertising on FWR. I understand this is how business works but don't pretend your here just to educate people. Cheers

[@FishingwithRod]

I have been doing this for close to 25 years and have always made it pretty clear that this is my business. 🙂 So no I am not just doing this to be a nice guy, I’m only nice if others are nice to me. 😉 Like any business, there are goals you want to achieve and mine is to find a balance between making a living from it while contributing to the community, and hopefully there is a net positive once this is all over.

[@jeromebuenaventura2]

I saw some anglers fighting there is one that the other angler push the other person to the river. I think the guy is frustrated because he didn't caught any

[@jasonsfishingagain312]

I have never heard of "flossing" before. What is the difference between that and swinging a fly or a lure?

[@snakeoilelixir]

Crazy how Chilliwack used to be a 1 hour drive, now it's 1½-2

[@FishingwithRod]

Yeah that’s my fault too, creating these hordes of wanna-be anglers coming out to the valley each day, clogging up traffic. 😜

[@snakeoilelixir]

All your fault, rod! 😂 ​@@FishingwithRod

[@Marsbars340]

Nah man, I hate shoulder to shoulder fishing. There’s one spot that gets like that at one of the rivers I go to. I try and get there before that first hour of fishing so I can find a decent spot. When it gets packed, peoples lines get tangled, people get hit with poles and lure, people yell and scream. Definitely not what I want to do when I’m out “enjoying” my fishing time. Doesn’t even begin to describe the gauntlet the poor fish gotta go through. Most of the time people aren’t even legally catching them, they are snagging them. Just the other day I guess someone caught a native and took the eggs and left the rest of the fish on the bank. Then on top of that, all the trash left behind is absolutely sad and infuriating. That why I fish alone and away from people as much as possible.

[@burk3552]

Ive never bothered with it,im fortunate that i live in labrador and can fish for landlocked salmon and not see a single person,i hear stories from my buddies all the time about fellers fighting over a rock to stand and fish from,frig that

[@wadezhang7106]

Fishing licenses here in BC are too cheap…need an increase (at least double up the price) so that probably more hatchery production could be funded

[@leeamtivers9922]

people wont buy licenses if they are more expensive. at least this way we get funding for FFSBC

[@wadezhang7106]

@@leeamtivers9922 true, it’s so difficult to balance…but given how crazy the inflation has been in the last couple years, the licenses are way too cheap, for under $100 we get to fish for salmon in both tidal and non-tidal waters…that’s almost free…at least annual increase at bank of canada’s published CPI rate isn’t unreasonable

Hey Rod, if you ever find yourself working out in the Vernon area without a boat, I’d be happy to take you out somewhere... Be safe.

[@thegreatwhitenorth8754]

Can you keep any wild fish at all?

[@FishingwithRod]

This video explains the retention rules kzbin.info/www/bejne/iKOtc4Kdl9KJbsU

[@Bcfishing513]

Hey rod I am 14 and wondering if I am still able to keep adult Chinook and how would I record them because I don’t have a license to mark

[@FishingwithRod]

That's a good question! I actually don't know this one and will try to find out. In the meantime, you should try (or get your parents to) giving them a call. You can find a DFO office near you at www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/contact/regions/index-eng.html

[@Bcfishing513]

@@FishingwithRod Thank you Rod have a great day

[@adambolding-jones8726]

Would love to see a video on why don't we clip hatchery Chinook like we clip Coho?

[@FishingwithRod]

Cost and logistic. 🙂 We have started moving to clipping 100% of hatchery chinook now though. I don't think Chilliwack Hatchery is at 100% yet (I might be correcting myself once I have another conversation with the manager later this season). Robertson Hatchery is already at 100% since last year.

[@gieMbPalRt9410]

@@FishingwithRod interesting, what would the reason for this be? i dont imagine there are native stocks of chinooks left on the vedder to protect from river fishing, or are they also trying to make it so you can retain only hatchery chinooks in the future?

[@FishingwithRod]

Yep, and specific for the saltwater fisheries where impacts on wild chinook salmon from other watersheds are a big concern. The hope is by having all hatchery chinook salmon marked, it'd open up more fisheries in the ocean where anglers are allowed to retain hatchery marked chinook salmon while releasing all other chinook salmon that are not clipped.

[@kootsrootsdustyboots]

What I love about fishing is getting away from people and being in nature.

[@adamandcaleb9144]

I am a fishing addicted I spend thousands and travels to various all over Canada what these guys do to shoulder to shoulder fish in crowed spots what they aren't doing is spacing out and travel up or down streams in these or all the rivers there are pools and lots of river to travel space out ad enjoy the whole river ad not just taking all the fish in the crowed pools where these guys and woman are holding up if you take all that fish out of these crowded spots there will be no fish there years to come think about the future fish Don't crowed up and travel up and down the river ad enjoy different pools

[@Glaciershark]

Hey that’s my fish!

[@jeffthomas8582]

May be the freshwater fisheries society of BC should come up with an app that anglers can book time slot to fish at busy spots just like booking to visit Golden Ears Provincial park.

[@leeamtivers9922]

FFSBC is not responsible for salmon fishing regulations in BC. That falls under DFO. All Salmon related issues country wide is DFO. This is coming from someone who worked for FFSBC this summer at the Vanderhoof Nechako White Sturgeon Conservation Center.

[@xplicitfishin]

@@leeamtivers9922 They both enforce fishing regs on the river. This is coming from someone that has fished for years and encountered both CO and DFO officers checking peoples licences etc on the river. In any case I think Jeffs comment was a sarcastic joke.

[@FishingwithRod]

FFSBC does not have anything to do with management and enforcement of freshwater fisheries.

[@SunnyIlha]

There should simply be rules. In the Regs. No less than 70 feet between anglers (this is the length of approximately 10 steelhead or salmon rods, which is just one lure cast) with the exception of adults helping or teaching their children or family member, or an aide assisting the disabled. Problem solved.

[@xplicitfishin]

RIP to spots with only 70 feet of standing room. What a dumb idea man.

[@matthewchengduude]

I still don't understand how people can have a bad time on the river. Here in Michigan we shouldn't even have salmon. Meet a lot of hot headed fishermen last week on the river complaining about how there's too many people nowadays. Funny how DNR doesn't have a problem with the number of fisherman. I'd say if you follow the regulations and have common sense then come fish right by me! I'll need someone to net my fish! Lol

[@sc100ott]

I’m also in Michigan and really dislike crowds. There are plenty of places to go to avoid the crowds. Sure, you may not have stacks of fish just like at the foot of a dam, but there are lots of holes which still hold fish if you’re just a little observant and willing to move to a smaller stream, or just move a few hundred yards downstream.

[@darrylmcleman6456]

Putting a slot size limit on fish is not the best . The "one and done" system might be better.CHEERS from SOOKE

[@FishingwithRod]

There isn't exactly a slot size limit on chinook salmon in freshwater , I should have been a little clearer on that part. You can keep chinook salmon of any size (as long as it is above the minimum size which all returning fish are), and there is a daily limit of adults and jacks (eg. four chinook salmon allowed per day on the Chilliwack River, but only two of them can be over 62cm long). Also, "One and done" is needed for sure, it'd eliminate a lot of the crowding issues in rivers.

[@darrylmcleman6456]

@@FishingwithRod Got it! Slot size on Chinook in Sooke area usually until 1st of August.I guess it is better just to release the ones that come close rather than boat them to measure!

[@MrKveite1]

Since i live in Norway i have no hate for this kind of fishing since it doesent exist here.

[@xplicitfishin]

You're wrong about floats and lures not being able to fish together. It just has to be on a run with a good enough flow to swing the lures and they can fish at the exact same tempo as the float guys.

[@FishingwithRod]

I’ve generalized a bit in the video of course. I in fact will fish my spoon while other drift floats around me, but I have to be really conscious about what others are doing otherwise it’d turn into a circus pretty fast. 🤣 I think this would be really hard to do for someone who is new into it.

[@j.brian.b2587]

I would rather bar fish the lower Fraser that’s if it’s open for fishing…

[@areyyyyyyy]

Unfortunately Rod, We have been told by DFO officers numerous times that flossing and ripping are completely fine, but keeping snagged fish is not. This happened at least 4 times in my presence at the vedder and it only emboldened those who were constantly ripping around us. In fact in a couple of occasions they started laughing and taunting us that were complaining to the DFO officers.

[@FishingwithRod]

Hmm that's not exactly correct, not sure which officers would be saying that but intentionally foul hooking fish is a violation that is constantly on their radar and being discussed in our communication regularly.

[@areyyyyyyy]

@@FishingwithRod that's what I thought, but as I said this happened on 4 occasions with what I would assume different officers. They told us that unless they had observed them keeping snagged fish then there is nothing they can do about it. The officers argued that we cannot prove that they were intentionally trying to foul hook fish and flossing is not an illegal activity. I was quite frustrated, but in all those occasions I managed to catch my limit "the ethical way" right next to those "fishermen." Perhaps this would be something you could have a direct communication about with DFO management? I'm sure we would appreciate a solid clarification on this matter.

[@davidfarrens3572]

Im handicapped. And no one helps me fish but my family.

[@ix_stompdown_-xi8199]

Me to

[@Big-three492]

Use braided line and drift it over their lines!

[@adambolding-jones8726]

The eternal debate, is it worth the drive from Vancouver to try fishing the Vedder or should I just suck it up and go to the Cap. Thanks for the video!

[@MarkdaShark191]

Is flossing illegal in your guy's area? What do the regulations say about it? It's been a really popular way to fish for salmon in my area and they recently tried to put an end to it, by changing the law to leader length being a maximum of 6ft.

[@sc100ott]

Flossing is legal and very common here in Michigan. Frankly, it is very hard for a conservation officer to tell a flossed fish from a legitimate take, unless he’s literally standing next to the fishermen, so any sort of ban in that regard would be pretty much impossible to enforce anyway. The general consensus among fishermen is probably more important than the actual law, and since there is very little sentiment against flossing in general, it is generally considered “OK”, even if some people look down on it. I’m kinda surprised how many fishermen don’t actually realize that they just flossed a fish, and it didn’t matter a bit that their fly was a particular shade of orange-they actually believed they enticed the fish to “bite”.😂😢 Michigan is also different in that it is very common and generally accepted to fish to spawning fish on redds (which makes flossing all that more effective). I think this is because Salmon and Steelhead are not native (steelhead introduced in 1880s and salmon introduced in 1960’s). Some rivers depend heavily on stocking, but there’s quite a lot of natural reproduction, even with all the flossing and redd fishing. Pretty much every river and creek in Michigan has steelhead running up to the first impassable dam, and also salmon in most, so a lot of reproduction seems to occur in small feeder creeks, generally unknown to fishermen. Snagging is illegal (as defined by hooking a fish somewhere other than the mouth), and if you’re obvious about it, another fisherman will get in your face about it, even if there’s no CO around. Everyone understands that you’re going to occasionally get one in the back or tail when you’re bouncing thru a hole. You just have to release it immediately. CO’s will arrest/ticket you if they see you intentionally snagging, keeping an accidentally snagged fish, or observe you with suspicious equipment. Every now and then, however, my lure will get caught on some 50# line with a with a weighted treble on it, so I know there still are people who sneak into holes from time to time to snag.

[@WestCoastWheelman]

>goes to the closest, most popular river in the city >complains about crowding You only have your laziness to blame, go for a walk or try a different river.

[@thecount1001]

i'm so glad that i don't live on the Lower Mainland!

[@davidfarrens3572]

It stupid here in Washington. You call a gameranger or cop they will not show. People poaching Left and right.

[@davidfarrens3572]

They only make you use that kinda mesh in salt here's. I use One but it don't matter That fish is doomed any way once it hooked They will lose on strength and slowly fall swim back down river it takes day's if they don't recover pinks Are famous for dieing right after being hooked and reliesed in Washington everyone discards pinks and chum. They are NASTY fishing.

[@PaulHodgson-gm6lg]

Snaging Salmon on the Fraser, isn't fishing.

[@leeamtivers9922]

Correction Rod, Flossing IS NOT ILLEGAL. however you must release all fish caught not in the mouth

[@roynichols5212]

I would beg to differ. Flossing is an attempt to drag your extremely long leader line thru the fishes mouth and hook them that way. You are in no way trying to entice the fish to bite. Hence, the reason for ridiculously long leaders for the given depth of the water. Nice try anyway.

[@RalphHify]

It's legal to retain fish caught in and about the mouth parts or 'face' of the fish. So a fish hooked in the outside corner of the jaw as if it the hook were drawn into the mouth as described by Roy , can be kept. That's been confirmed a number of times on studies of the Fraser sockeye floss fishery.

[@leeamtivers9922]

@@RalphHify Yep. and the Skeena river recreational fishery, which is 50% bottom bouncing/flossing. the other 50% is fly fishing.

[@Ronsgonefishing]

thanks for your videos Rod. While talking about hatchery fish, and clipping the adipose fin to identify hatchery fish from wild ones, you failed to mention only 10 % of hatchery fish in Canada are in fact clipped, that means 90% are not clipped, but still considered wild salmon. This is all a big fat lie ! They were raised in a hatchery making them all hatchery fish. The USA hatchery machine clip 100% of there hatchery fish.

[@FishingwithRod]

Thanks, but that's not entirely correct. The 10% clipping applies to BC's chinook salmon hatchery program up until a couple years ago. Due to continuous lobbying in the recreational fishing community by groups such as the Sport Fishing Institute of BC, adipose clipping of hatchery chinook salmon is now heading toward 100% so regulatory changes on retention are coming soon. For hatchery such as the Robertson on the Stamp/Somass, chinook salmon clipping is already at 100%. Chilliwack is not far behind. For our coho salmon hatchery program, adipose clipping has always been 100%.

[@Ronsgonefishing]

@@FishingwithRod I find that hard to believe, because every summer I fish Area 12 from July 15 to August 30. Thats inside fishing, Port Hardy and Port Mcneil area. catching a clipped Coho up there is next to impossible, so unless they allow a wild catch, We don't see them, and by we, I'm talking about hundreds of fishermen coming and going from my fish camp up there.

[@FishingwithRod]

That's because in Area 12, you are participating in a mixed stock fishery where you are fishing over not just hatchery fish, but wild fish which originated from many other systems which do not have hatchery mitigation as well. The abundance of wild coho in totality outnumbers the abundance of hatchery coho.

[@Ronsgonefishing]

@@FishingwithRod: The abundance of wild coho in totality outnumbers the abundance of hatchery coho). My point exactly with only 10 % Coho getting clipped according to fishery officers up there.

[@FishingwithRod]

No you're not understanding what I was trying to say in the last comment. The abundance of wild coho (wild, not unclipped) outnumbers the hatchery coho salmon output. There are many streams across Southern BC which produce wild coho salmon. The number of those outputs, is way higher than the total output of hatchery productions in the few main systems. The 10%, going back to my original response, applies the chinook salmon, or applied to, because as I said, there is an effort of going to 100% now after several years of lobbying.

[@davidfarrens3572]

Go to Washington state and Try fishing. You'll never come back you're charged way to much for a licence And less day's to fish. People here have no ethic's or respect for other fisherman.. game Warden don't do anything. Poaching everything. Cops ot game rangers don't do nothing. Ig you catch a fishing some one see it' they'll crowd you out so in turn you gotta go fishing with your crowd if family or friends. To get good fishing. Try plunking They see you catch a fish they will stand on your lines ot cast from across the river into your lines.

[@Graceclaw]

I live in WA and have no issues finding fish away from crowds and enjoying my time. Our licenses cost about as much as Canada's.

[@davidfarrens3572]

If you have a surplus of egg's by God use them. Repopulate. In other river's but that's not the way right..

[@FishingwithRod]

More is not always better.

[@BradtheButcher1234]

All of these people endlessly posting the river and how to floss have helped cause this overcrowding.....for some likes, clicks and a few bucks they have helped to denigrade their own fisheries....GOOD JOB

[@FishingwithRod]

Oh no! Who’s posting about how to floss?! 🤣

[@BradtheButcher1234]

@FishingwithRod I've met you at berry's and we had a good conversation...no need to be a prickly stiffy ROD........LI can't remember who but a last year saw a video of basically that and it was pretty sad

[@FishingwithRod]

@@BradtheButcher1234 Find it, post the link here and I'd be interested to see it. I've yet to seen anyone openly promoting flossing in BC on any of the online platforms. When the word "endless" is being used to lump all the platforms together including this one while there are people working hard behind the scene to improve fisheries, I will be prickly.

[@dalehamelin9538]

I think wearing a pink Borat bikini you’d get lots of elbow room 😂

[@FishingwithRod]

🤣

[@RonCarlson-l6e]

How about all the garbage fishing people on the river

[@SeamusMcFitz-jz9if]

No self-respecting fisherman would fish there.

[@davidfarrens3572]

You try to correct some One fishing in a Washington state. You're gonna be fighting.

[@FishingwithRod]

Judging by all the comments you’ve left so far, sounds like you enjoy living in Washington.

[@Graceclaw]

​@@FishingwithRodlmao you're the best Rod 😂

[@YTBEN1045]

Sometimes or in some locations there's no way around it. Everybody wants to fish and you'll just have to join in. But I believe those who complain are mostly the ones who can't get a bite. 😂

[@naturebc]

The best way to educate anglers is to make them swim. If they make it, they will learn a lesson.

[@FishingwithRod]

You’re definitely not part of the problem lol.

[@magically1339]

If I see you at the river mr big mouth better have the same energy 😈

[@Steelzim]

The issue is the people giving away all the tricks and rigs on KZbin now it’s pointless to fish all the rivers and creeks are destroyed and there is no wow that guys a good fisherman because everyone uses the same crap same gear same bait everything very lame sport now because of what the KZbinrs and newbies have done to the fishery’s

[@canadiangemstones7636]

Boohoo, learn to fish, or try walking more than ten meters from your car.

[@FishingwithRod]

Sorry, I’m allergic to run-on sentences.

[@Exploer8591]

So... you and a select group should be the only ones allowed to have knowledge of how to catch a fish?

[@Graceclaw]

So I take it you have always made your own rods, lures, and line? You independently discovered effective techniques without help from anyone or from watching them? You truly are a god amongst us mortal anglers.

[@Steelzim]

@@Exploer8591 no we just put the work in to figure it all out and SOME people give all the hard work away for money or views what makes a good fisherman is getting on the water and learning it not having it given to you

[@roccodimiccio5199]

its going to get worse...we all know why

[@FishingwithRod]

Don’t tell the whole world now, sheesh.

[@pahanin2480]

The economy is bad

[@Graceclaw]

Why are you here?