I see the world as ‘systemically beautiful’ | Nick Cave | The Reason Interview

[@bluehoursongs]

Fantastic interview. Nick Cave has emerged into such an important figure in popular culture over the past decade. His unapologetic and genuinely curious exploration of his own dangerous/unpopular thoughts (and those of others) is something that we all need now.

[@HoldenL36]

Nick's music has seen me through addiction depression broken relationships broken laws incarceration from the birthday party to this current day and have seen him live in Australia numerous times what a journey it has been thank you Nick you are a true scholar and a gentleman.

[@bathcat3759]

Nick writes my favorite love songs. And “There She Goes My Beautiful World” is an all timer.

[@Semprini537]

Saw him live in Ljubljana during HENRY'S DREAM tour, it was astonishing. And wild. The band was on fire. The crowd knew all the lyrics

[@vincentpsychsa-existential]

OMG the timing! I was literally just weeping to the Weeping Song! Thank you both Nicks! Nick Gave expressed emotions that I could not. 💛💖💖

[@dmitryfedorov114]

Me, the audience: "Wait, this is Reason+Nick Cave. This is the coolest stuff."

[@gbutch21]

Awesome! Been asking for more Nick Cave podcasts!

[@JenniferElsterOfficial]

Fantastic interview!

[@hoisin75]

Fascinating

[@brianhaynes6718]

Thank you for this interview. I have admired his music for many years, and there's nothing quite like it. While there are echoes of Dylan in his style, his work is uniquely his own. I can really feel his distinctive touch in everything he does.

[@christianacker3543]

Looking forward to this in the same way Nick killed it in the Stefan Sagmeister interview. And the first question, Nick Cave asks is what am I doing on this podcast? I'm happy to be here, but am I out of place here? LOL.

[@theotheoth]

As a long term fan (since Birthday Party days), I'm disappointed Nick is choosing to play in Israel. I wonder if he knows that many of the ordinary people of Israel recently protested for the right of the IDF to mistreat detainees in any way they see fit (this was after a video was leaked of them torturing and sexually assaulting Palestinian prisoners). "This is Sodom," the protesters chanted. You can hear about it via James O'Brien kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZmrFioZmZq6Me68 -- most of the media has stopped reporting on all this.

[@Heuh999]

We appreciate your virtue signaling and completely missing Cave's point

[@theotheoth]

@@Heuh999 I didn't miss the point.

[@ajvorob9117]

You obviously did in your fact free anti israel propaganda nonsense ​@theotheoth

[@winstonsmith9424]

@@theotheoth Maybe you did. When is he playing Israel?

[@tripp8833]

What about the majority of Israelis that didn’t vote for Netanyahu? Why should they be punished?

[@bernardoalvarezdelcastillo]

Can I ask you something before? Does the first question usually come from the interviewee?

[@claychaney-m5m]

One of my fav movies was "the Proposition"...luv it.... hits hard....you did this?....I saute you....

[@menaclaura]

❤

[@BobcatWolfenstein]

Wow, as much of his music and influence I've listened to, I wasn't expecting this. What a freaking gem. Definitely need to re-examine

[@ritzenhauf]

Joy makes people younger

[@monaelias2154]

Great interview, thanks.

[@bernardoalvarezdelcastillo]

I dare anyone at Reason to host an interview without bringing up authority and liberty.

[@lionstandingII]

Spent about 10 minutes trying to maneuver Cave into the "correct" political stance......Almost goading him into a loyalty oath.

[@TheDeadMan79]

Did Nick just interview Patrick Bateman?

[@fuckamericanidiot]

Shameful comment. And yet incapable of shame.

[@evankramer2589]

Media vs idea

[@richiewilliams6875]

He’s a God He’s a Guru He’s The Man. Yeah Yeah Yeah

[@Nandia111]

Of course he sees the world as systemically beautiful. He is a white, male, millionaire who can afford to turn a blind eye to all social injustice, including an ongoing genocide. Well done Nick.

[@ajvorob9117]

What genocide?

[@ajvorob9117]

Are you one of those people who conflates deaths in a war with extermination? If so that's pretty dumb.

[@wds525]

Idiot comment of the day. Congrats.

[@JohnnyArtPavlou]

@@ajvorob9117When it’s that asymmetrical, and non-combatants are being massacred…

[@markeggins890]

Well done Nick G!

[@peskypesky]

He should spend a day or two in Gaza.

[@ajvorob9117]

Why? So hamas can kill him? Maybe accept the fact that not everyone is blindly going to hope on the "Israel bad" bandwagon.

[@MagnusHarvest]

@@ajvorob9117 You blindly hopped on the "Israel good" bandwagon despite all the evidence against it

[@ajvorob9117]

@@MagnusHarvest because Israel is by far the more moral party in this conflict

[@MagnusHarvest]

@@ajvorob9117 They are not, no. Israel is an apartheid regime built by western imperialism, which has stolen peoples' land and forced them to live in zoned areas controlled by their military for decades. But even ignoring that they still killed far more civilians unnecessarily. I don't really care if you think both sides are bad, but claiming Israel is the more moral party is simply stupid.

[@daddygad]

I am sorry if anyone is vituperative in their appraoch regarding the BDS issue as I think Nick Cave is a thougtftul and genuinely caring person. But I also he is deeply misguided in his feelings about Israel and the BDS movement so I will try to correct what I think he gets wrong the nicest way I can: It's not just the Netanyahu government. It's the whole society In Israel that has become evil and rotten to its genocidal core. This is because that is what Zionism--an ideology, which while unique unto itself, shares commonalties with the some of the worst, most heinous ideologies in human history; things like settler colonialism, ethno-supremacy, and yes, even nazism--creates. And it is on this poisonous ideology of zionism, which has historically sought to falsely conflate itself with Judaism and which has seized on the holocaust as the ideal historical opportunity to do so, which the country of Israel is based. As such what you blithely refer to "horrible complications"--are not a bug. They are a feature of a society based on this ideology of zionism.(judge a tree by the fruits). As such, it isn't "punishing" ordinary Isralis to not legitimize their horribly wicked, sick and deeply sadistic society...(sick because of the ideology it has fallen into the grips of) by performing there. It is in fact punishing Palestinians along with your many fans who are standing on the right side of history in solidarity with them, but who now can no longer enjoy the gift of your music, to refuse to look and/or feel deeply enough to do what your esteemed cohort Roger Waters has done; namely to "do the right thing". chng.it/tGDFXCJzTy

[@misterpopeofficial.]

So weird to hear that fucking upbeat outro music against the voice of a poet

[@DABELINE]

LOUISIANE Ce serait bien de traduire en français.....

[@spacerauk0001]

Did a cultural boycott work in apartheid South Africa, Nick?

[@ajvorob9117]

No it didn't.

[@spacerauk0001]

@@ajvorob9117 How so, professor?

[@ajvorob9117]

South africa collapsed on its own. And the situation with Israel and the Arab jihadists is nowhere comparable to actual apartheid. ​@spacerauk0001

[@spacerauk0001]

@@ajvorob9117 What a midwit response. South Africa faced ongoing embargos and boycotts which forced their hand to change. And yeah, Gaza is beyond apartheid, it's an open air prison. Any other enlightening points, genius?

[@ajvorob9117]

​@spacerauk0001 oh we are now shifting goalposts, are we? Why did gaza become an "open air prison"? Could the takeover of Hamas and the subsequent thousands of rockets being fired at Israel had something to do with it?

[@freedom_do_it]

Nick, thank a lot from Israel.

[@bigorstojanov184]

Fck zionism

[@IngemarGustavsson]

Nick is truly a man with integriity.

[@greenvelvet]

By standing for Nothing? strange definition of Integrity.

[@ajvorob9117]

​@@greenvelvethe stands for the Jewish state under attack by islamist barbarians.

[@bigorstojanov184]

@@greenvelvet bullseye :)

[@TheEpicnessofmatt]

Nick Cave got under Roger Waters’s BDS skin. Good for you, Nick!

[@utv5490]

Nick has let himself down with his stance on Israel. He looks like a coward and an ignoramus. A well paid one though so there is that sweetener for him.

[@ajvorob9117]

He has a brain unlike the pro fakestinians who mindlessly chant genocidal slogans like drones.

[@ajvorob9117]

Are you gonna talk about Qatar funneling billions into US universities, you hypocrite? Israel has more pressing issues to take care of then find random people and pay them to say good things about it. Do you think they have unlimited money or something?

[@winstonsmith9424]

i wouldn't necessarily agree with him on this - but in what way does he look like a coward?

[@utv5490]

If you need me to explain it to you then I can understand why you are conflicted.

[@utv5490]

Just look up coward and work it out!! It's more rewarding for you that way than if I explain it.

[@getthecandies]

Talking over your interview guest as they're answering your first question to ask them another question about a different topic. Libertarian journalism hits real different to when normal people do it. You understand when people say "Great work Nick, you really killed that interview" they're not giving you a complement.

[@EmilyTodicescu]

Lots of antisemites in the comment section. Wow.

[@greenvelvet]

Ahh...labeling People, who don't think 40,000 Children should be gunned down, as "antisemites"? That dirty lazy, tactic is losing it's effectiveness. Try another trick

[@professorwalter1284]

Maybe they’re not antisemites. Maybe they would be against any country that commits genocide. Maybe accusing people of being antisemitic is deflecting and distracting from the point people have anything to say about it. Maybe they have a pretty obvious point to make, and whining about it means nothing in the face of the point they are trying to make.

[@EmilyTodicescu]

@@professorwalter1284 21.1% (around 2,080,000 people) of Israeli citizens are classified as Arab. So if Israel is trying to commit genocide, they’re doing a pretty piss-poor job of it. There has been a very purposeful, and sophisticated, and propagandistic conflation of a blood-thirsty terrorist group with the civilian population that said terrorist group is cowardly hiding behind. And there’s a reason why the likes of David Duke are forming alliances with pro-Palestine campaigners. Doesn’t take a genius to connect those particular dots.

[@EmilyTodicescu]

@@greenvelvet 40,000 children gunned down? Lined them up against a wall and shot by firing squad? Oh wait, maybe you’re thinking about the ceasefire that is allowing 640,000 children to be vaccinated against Polio. Yeah they must really want them dead.

[@ajvorob9117]

There is no genocide. That term has been ruthlessly abused by the anti israel crowd. ​@@professorwalter1284

[@greenvelvet]

Nick Cave is starting to show how much of a clown he is, first all showing up on a Libertarian Podcast is not a good look. Secondly, his refusal to condemn Israel of what every major human rights organization and ICC have rightly called a genocide, but also Cave calling out other musicians who do so. Strange to see American rapper Macklemore, having more integrity than Nick Cave.

[@ajvorob9117]

Lmao just because you swallowed anti Israel propaganda blindly doesn't mean Nick Cave is wrong

[@ajvorob9117]

And btw macklemore wore a costume that depicted a stereotypical Jewish person. He's just being anti israel to get clout and to revive his pathetic excuse of a career.

[@winstonsmith9424]

Libertarianism is bad? Macklemore has more integrity? Why do you say that? What informs your integrity?

[@ajvorob9117]

@winstonsmith9424 anything that isn't "israel bad" means "lack of integrity" for him. That's why he thinks a shitty regarded "rapper" like Macklemore deserves to be praised for his dumb takes

[@ajvorob9117]

@@winstonsmith9424 Macklemore literally put on a "Jewface" mask around 2016.

[@hugobandannas9909]

His apparently vulnerability is just another side of his narcisism🎉

[@adiloren13]

He's way too self-aware to be a narcicist. He would admit to self indulgence.

[@hugobandannas9909]

@@adiloren13 other to himself and his world he cares nothing. Arrogance turned in melancholy getting old, typical attitude of narcisistic. By James Ellroy, who spent a dinner with him, Cave is the most boring person on this planet. Basically a Void Cave full of ego.

[@adiloren13]

@@hugobandannas9909 I know a lot of people way more boring than Nick Cave.

[@hugobandannas9909]

@@adiloren13 may be they belong to Cave fan club anyway :) that's not a crime to be boring

[@HMohr]

every one who considers Palestinians as non-human, is not an artist.

[@guidancespace]

people, "antisemitism bad" the dumbest person you ever met, "So you hate pAlEsTiNiAns???" it's like they're not trying to hide that Palestine is solely an antisemitic death cult and nothing more

[@markeggins890]

He never said that, listen to the interview.

[@ajvorob9117]

Maybe they should behave as human beings and not slaughter every Jew they see. That's like complaining why nazis are dehumanized.

[@ajvorob9117]

​@guidancespace you're absolutely correct

[@winstonsmith9424]

"anyone" plus no comma needed

[@ajvorob9117]

Am Yisrael Chai

[@girlgo]

Free 🇵🇸

[@ajvorob9117]

@@girlgo no fk Fakestine

[@majdabboud8971]

This comment was deleted by either the channel or youtube. I post it again Nick. Israel is an apartheid state. There are checkpoints between palestinian people's homes and their workplace. There is an ongoing colonization of the very little that remains of Palestinian land. There are 2000 pound bombs dropped on refugee tents. Yes, bombs on tents. There are innocent civilians dying in Lebanon. There are acres upon acres of ancient flora, ancestral olive trees among which people who figure in the bible have walked, being destroyed, uprooted and burnt with white phosphorus by the israeli military. A military in which every able bodied person in Israel has to serve. A military that is supported by the people, by the press... Nick, I followed your work, read your books. Your stance on this issue is not convincing. You have a reason for not condemning the genocide loudly. Being a fan, I have felt something beyond the verbal expression in your work. And now I feel something beyond your verbal expression on this matter. And I can say with honesty that what I'm feeling is a lack of sincerity. You have the stance of a zionist. Your stance aligns with a political and military project centered on creating some of the worst massacres and mass killings our civilization has ever seen, and that is justifying it with the undisputable suffering of jewish people in europe and elsewhere. Your stance aligns with a cause that is far from being just. Israel is burning one of the cradles of modern human civilization in the name of a bloodthirsty ideology that will be filling the darkest pages of future history books. And most importantly, it hasn't gone unnoticed that you haven't mentioned palestinian suffering nearly enough. That you haven't answered questions about palestinian suffering nearly enough. Not in the press, not on the red hand files. Lastly I would like to add that you have access to the images, to the stories from palestine. you can go read them. You are an incredible musician but you, like all of us are not immune to error. Change your stance, renounce the money that comes with your current one, you have enough of it and will leave without it when you go. But you won't leave without the red hand that seems to have become your mascot. I won't be going back to this comment to check for hate messages or anything else. I just thought I'd state something I had in mind since I was a fan. I now boycott you, even thought I know it would never be economically effective. I now am typing this even though I know it will never reach you physically. I'm typing just because.

[@justiceandagainsthypocrisy]

❤

[@Mac-ku3xu]

Banned from seeing his dying mother because of the sniffles. Please people, never again, never let them get away with it again.

[@dave9547]

His last three answers to the questions on is reel , covid insanity and current cens orship in britain were disappointing.

[@professorwalter1284]

This guy has nothing but wishy washy cop out answers. What a dull man he turned out to be. And it reflects in his creative output. I was once a hardcore fan. It’s not thatI’m saying « He’s changed », it’s that whatever changes there have been, have been pretty low vibe disappointments.

[@ajvorob9117]

Lmao you whine just because he doesn't wanna support the fraudulent fakestinian cause. If he did, you'd be slobbering all over his knob

[@ivanconnolly7332]

Caves overuse of references to t"he Lord", makes me gag as a Catholic, to invoke religeon is a bit outside the "Pop"realm and a bit poseur messiah .

[@EmilyTodicescu]

Your typos make me gag.

[@ivanconnolly7332]

@@EmilyTodicescu Arrogant as your hero.

[@60indio]

I don't get the fascination for this arrogant fellow ... don't share his infatuation with religion ... and most of all am concerned that someone held in such high esteem by so many, is a genocide apologist ...

[@lotusmantis9152]

​@@ivanconnolly7332 the Lord, the Lord, the Lord. If Jesus being mentioned makes you gag, then you're not Christian.

[@ivanconnolly7332]

@@lotusmantis9152 Im not a chest beater.