I Set The Alien Loose On My Nemesis Target

[@IceWolfLoki]

Ian: "Not so tough without your legs" Spinner: "Tis but a scratch"

[@Fish-ub3wn]

You shall not spin!

[@Arthurzeiro]

Heh

[@carlbrown9082]

Respect for the Monty Python reference!

[@humorlessclown]

😂

[@SpartacusColo]

Your leg's off!

[@guardrailbiter]

Can we all petition Laugo to release a low-production run of left-handed Aliens? The "Ian McCollum Edition."

[@slantedhorses4233]

Laugo "Alian"

[@Innomen]

"For this 100th anniversary episode of Forgotten Weapons, we're taking a look at the only..."

[@johnstibbs2535]

The Alien: McCollum

[@asdasd-ty9se]

Petition for the wrong handed to stop using the wrong hand 😉

[@spencercar8080]

The Lefto Alien.

[@vaclav_fejt]

Laugo Alien: "In the desert, no-one can hear you spin."

[@Marktk72]

Ian's forgotten weapons is actually Area 51

[@Charok1]

He needs a bigger round with more powder, haha.

[@CptJistuce]

@@Charok1 Next week: "Today on Forgotten Weapons, we're going to see how well this spinner like .50BMG. "

[@rhubarbpie2027]

@@CptJistuce might be fun with a Glock 40 MOS.

[@khaelamensha3624]

@@CptJistuce. 50 BMG OK but with a Mq2 HMG 😇😁 does that count if the target is destroyed? 😇

[@pirateswiggity5278]

“I’m gonna be able to shoot that. We’ll get it” Ian’s famous last words before just running it over with a truck

[@External2737]

Naaa... He's friends with the chieftain. It will have tracks.

[@uncleroysmusic]

ie. Kentucky Ballistic...

[@cr10001]

A truck would be cheating. How about something in .5 BMG ?

[@ladam836]

No. Ian might get a 75mm German gun to shoot it.

[@cr10001]

@@ladam836 I think the idea might be to get the thing to rotate, not to distribute it all over the surrounding scenery :)

[@hookeaires6637]

As a welder, I built one of these spinners about forty years ago. It worked perfectly. Most frustrating thing I ever built as a practice target.

[@sashimanu]

What kind of bearing did you employ?

[@kilianortmann9979]

@@sashimanu Greased bar stock I guess, that's what MGM does. They call it Zerk fitting, but it is basically just a greased bushing.

[@sashimanu]

I kind of expected them to have controlled friction coefficient for all weather repeatability, but oh well.

[@RadDadisRad]

@@sashimanu you’re expecting too much. It’s not a serviceable target.

[@hookeaires6637]

I just used grease. A short piece of tube captured between two large washers that were tack welded to the axle bar. The tube was drilled and tapped for a grease fitting. Forcing fresh grease through the bearing surfaces kept it lubed and clean. Also I’ll add, I used 3/8” mild steel for the target plates. Mild steel can be welded directly to the arms of the spinner whereas hardened plate would require a mechanical fixture because of the difference in alloy properties. As long as you don’t use the targets for high velocity shooting as in rifle or large magnum pistol they’ll hold up decently. If you’re a welder you can repair as needed.

[@quattroconcept4]

The year is 2122 and Ian McCollum IV is still trying to spin the spinner.

[@gasper5223]

Go watch the Irange 9mm vs 45 ACP luger. Ian defeated the spinner with a Luger

[@Hwikek]

In 2552 as Master Chief lands on a strange ring world there will be Ian XII trying to finish what his family started.

[@MarvinCZ]

Gordon, I think that was a less draggy spinner.

[@qq13563817153]

@@Hwikek as Chief approaches a Banished outpost to add more captive marines to his FOBs, he hears the plinking noise. It gets louder as he gets closer, until he finds a single marine with remarkably good facial hair blasting away at a makeshift spinner with his Sidekick, hoping beyond hope that it'll make a full rotation soon

[@themastermason1]

@@qq13563817153 You see if he had used the M6 Magnum, he would have simply obliterated the spinner.

[@CGR89]

Ian’s right thumb was like “wow this chamber is a comfortable resting spot”

[@lairdcummings9092]

"Alien Thumb" The new shooting injury.

[@rodgersmith1573]

@@W1ldt1m Wrong handed* Fixed it for you.

[@themilkman6969]

@@lairdcummings9092 The hot new shooting injury that’s all over social media!

[@adamr9215]

@@rodgersmith1573 Actually, you have it wrong. The left side of the brain controls the right side of the body, and the right side of the brain controls the left side of the body. So, the science proves that only lefty’s are in their right frame of mind. Right handed people use the wrong side of their brain making them fully wrong.

[@thebaddest2562]

@@adamr9215 that was really for the wrong side of ur brain

[@twsteele1977]

As someone who embodies the phrase "can't hit the broad side of a barn" it is so refreshing to see even the pros still struggle with some things

[@twsteele1977]

@Shill of the Russian Federation calling anyone better than me a "pro" makes my ego less sad

[@humphreybumblecuck5151]

Haha, I have natural talent, sugs to b you

[@sebastianriz4703]

@@SimuLord I personally train on Kim Kardashian. Come on mam, if you cant get closer, get a bigger target! Confidence builds skills!

[@algomez8563]

I prefer bladed weapons. Because I can't shoot straight.

[@Simon_Nonymous]

I couldn't hit a house if I was stood inside it.

[@ednash4265]

'And gun jesus did go into the match, and there was an MGM spinner. 'And he was much vexed by this thing, which defied his Laugo. 'And so he cast it down, declaring it as nemesis and a thing of no good.'

[@helterskelter416]

XD

[@iododendron3416]

'Those without sin may cast the first stone at the spinner. And then the rest may follow as it is a most wicked spinner.!

[@n-signia1087]

‘And on the third day, gun jesus didst persist in his toils upon the spinner. Strike it he did, and strike it again, to the holy angle of 179.999 degrees, but the spinner didst not falter in its infuriation. Then gun jesus did decry “MORE” unto the disciple Wildey, who handed him a gun befitting in title to such a heinous trial. “Survivor” in 45 winmag.

[@iododendron3416]

@@guyk2260 vs .50 you mean

[@iarissei]

Fucking great!

[@geodkyt]

It always seemed to me that the spinner ended up in competitions pretty much so the guys who insisted on .45AARP as "a *man's* caliber" had something they were better at than the guys with GP35s and CZ75s. (Note, I carried a 1911 for nearly 20 years, before becoming a heretic and carrying Combat Tupperware in .36 Europellet.)

[@classifiedad1]

“.36 Europellet” lmao

[@External2737]

I have a few friends who only shoot 45 ACP as that is all that will spin targets (for them). Doing it will 9mm is quite the challenge.

[@BleedingUranium]

I read that as "GP-30" at first, which would probably also be good at making the spinner not a problem anymore.

[@SuperAWaC]

the other option is to just get good

[@nunyabeeswax2575]

"Combat Tupperware" sounds like an AvEism or was created by an AvE fan.

[@alwayscensored6871]

Gets harder the faster it spins, would be very annoying and boxes of ammo will disappear very quickly.

[@wagnerrp]

Seems like once you got it over half way, you could start shooting the backs of the targets as well, and get in a more consistent rhythm. Unless are you only "supposed" to shoot the front?

[@berryreading4809]

You can do that to drive it over, but he never quite got it that far... it has to be very close to 180⁰ before tapping the back of the plate actually helps more than getting lined up for the next alternate shot presentation to give it more momentum 🙁

[@benjaminshropshire2900]

@@berryreading4809 I'd like to see someone test that theory on the range. Given how long he was waiting for it to swing back down, it looks to me like there should have been time to attempt a shot at the plate pointing at you just before it stops and still get back on target for the return shot.

[@wagnerrp]

​@@berryreading4809 Hitting the back of the plate at the top of the swing presents a smaller target, but with a significantly longer dwell time. It's also 90° out of phase with the standard target, giving much more time to line up for the next shot then attempting to double tap a single target.

[@jayhom5385]

@@wagnerrp that's can't be right. 90 off would be trying to hit the target edge on unless I'm missing something.

[@KickyFut]

I completely respect you for putting this video out! Most people would cowardly not release it, just because it "wasn't successful", but I think admitting that you need more practice and you have a goal to reach makes this a great video!😁👍 You're still a very good shot, this will just make you better.

[@bennybwood]

So much for a relaxing forgotten weapons video to start my Saturday

[@zehnerdygamer3329]

I think 3 Laugo Alien videos at the max was enough

[@KMRobertson]

I'm sitting here drinking my morning coffee and I was physically tensing up just watching him...

[@robertparis5680]

@@KMRobertson right?? i was planning on going to sleep, but now i'm just deeply unsatisfied

[@briancreegan827]

I was getting frustrated as well watching that spinner mess with Ian like that !

[@tachometer74]

I could feel the frustration through the screen.

[@crystalrock18]

In many videos Ian always says he isn’t a “good shot” or “good shooter” but honestly I think he is a fantastic shooter and well trained man on many different rifles, handguns and shotguns. That’s just my own opinion. He’s better than me and most guys and my own private gun club.

[@joatmon3282]

Reminds me of when my wife said she was not very good at a game. She was playing with some of the best players and could hold her own but within her friend group she was a little below average. I had to convince her "slightly below average" of the best players still made her a very good player compared to most people. I think the same may be happening to Ian. He may not be as good at the people he hangs out with but is still a very good shooter compared to the general shooting community.

[@phuzz00]

Ian got soooo close to spinning this target all the way around. If it was me, I'd probably have trouble hitting the side of the hill...

[@NothingIsKnown00]

I hear ya. Every time he says that I wonder what I would have to say if I went to a range like that… “Well, I know where the grip is but that’s it…”

[@shawnr771]

I would like to see Paul Harrell give this thing a go.

[@KarlEller]

And that's part of it, the really good shooters are really good with ONE rifle, and ONE pistol, if you gave them random surplus or off-the-shelf guns, their relative skills would drop significantly. Where as Ian is pretty good with a dozen rifles, and a dozen pistols, because that's where his interests lie. We saw in the WWST series, when Ian was using the same rifle over and over again, his skills rose significantly due to repetition.

[@masterimbecile]

Remember, this is AFTER the torture tests! And this is just barely an afterthought compared to that damned target.

[@sashimanu]

Is this the Ian’s own gun or the one they sent in for semi-destructive trials?

[@vvvvvvvvvwvvvvw]

@@sashimanu both. He received one gun (for free i think), put it through the torture tests, and now keeps it as his own

[@marcogenovesi8570]

@@sashimanu they sent only one gun for review and they didn't ask for mud and dust tests. Ian did them anyway

[@1rbdfl]

i hate to say it but ian is fanboi'd all out for this pistol. who cares about the 'finish could get scratched' tests? not nearly as much hedging as he did with the hudson. might be a great gun but i think ol gun jesus has some unintentional bias.

[@marcogenovesi8570]

@@1rbdfl yeah those were totally "finish could get scratched" tests, get outta here

[@RadDadisRad]

10mm and .45acp are the only pistol rounds that I’ve ever shot at those spinning targets with a modicum of success. I felt like the 9mm was an exercise in futility.

[@robviousobviously5757]

true... spinners answer the 9mm vs 45acp question pretty definitively, sorry.

[@notforsaletoday1895]

@@robviousobviously5757 When you shoot someone, the bullet goes through them. Not so with this target. This is not a definitive test of the viability of either ammo.

[@PaulVerhoeven2]

@@robviousobviously5757 "spinners answer the 9mm vs 45acp question pretty definitively, sorry." For someone who mistakes momentum for useful energy. But for mildly pushing a steel plate 45 with 230gr bullets is certainly better.

[@briansmithwins]

Heavy bullets seem to transfer energy into a spinner better. I've struggled to get a spinner to rotate with 556 and only6 one magazine, with a AK it takes about 3 or 4 hits. I'm not going to try to argue that 7.62x39 is better for any purpose other than clearing a spinner.

[@zacharyrollick6169]

@@briansmithwins It's better for hunting medium game.

[@JetsBauer]

"Not so tough without legs huh?" *twists ankle stepping over leg

[@thomasherzog2172]

Spinner: "Its just a flesh wound..."

[@timdinch5598]

It must be really frustrating when Karl flips it over by throwing five stones at it!

[@peterkerr4019]

didn't he just spit at it 5 times?

[@TowerSavant]

Maybe for five-thousand and ONE dollars they’ll make a left-handed version someday. Imagine.

[@-YELDAH]

but it'll work slightly differently to make you buy "left handed ammunition" lmao

[@marcogenovesi8570]

it's not terribly difficult to do with this weapon design

[@adamr9215]

@@marcogenovesi8570 It’s been easy to do so far. I should have my left handed version on the range in a week or two. If it wasn’t busy season for me, I would have it done already, but I’ve been making parts manually while the cnc’s were were paying the bills.

[@adamr9215]

@@-YELDAH I’ve built a lot of left handed firearms and none require special ammo. Sounds like poor engineering understanding on your part.

[@lmaolmoo4147]

I don't understand why they didn't make it eject straight up

[@marinaratoasteveryday2512]

This video was made even better by Ian and camera man’s struggles. I’ve never shot at spinner myself but it looks like a lot of fun with that Laugo.

[@andrewspohrer7183]

Theres also the fact that if you shoot a plate as its swinging toward you or almost stopped and about to swing back, most of that energy is lost and it reverses your progress. If you can't get that double tap in right away, conserve your energy and ammo, stay calm and keep going through the motions. All great feats are achieved through mastery of the basics. I may not be a competitive shooter but doing stress shoots and reflexive fires are a lot more fun and easy when you stay calm and focus on the basics.

[@gnaskar]

Almost stopped is fine. Even at the peak is fine. but the moment it's moving back towards you, it's counter productive to shoot. Whether you're making it speed up more (when it's on the way down) or slow down less (on the way up), you're still going to make it swing wider. Though there is a thing about angles, too. If it's too steep, the bullet may glance off and deliver only some of its energy.

[@plehis123]

He never shot it while it was coming back. He was aiming for the top plate.

[@mikaluostarinen4858]

What is the minimum number of hits which can make it spin? For example with the best 9mm load and bullet type? Somebody may have tried it from a bench, it would be nice to know.

[@sashimanu]

@Mika I think with a bit of math, physics and photogrammetry (measuring things from photos and videos) one can determine this number for this particular setup (ammo load/target moment of inertia and bearing friction)

[@con6lex]

@mika InRangeTV has a video where Karl did it in 4 shots (I think)!with a heavy black powder rifle round.

[@StalowyZolw]

Ian, being lefthanded myself I run into the same problem with S&W .22 pistol, solved it by placing right thumb parallel to chasis and hooking with left thumb on base of right one. Ended with really solid and stable grip. Granted, I have quite long fingers, but thought that could help so I would share.

[@Steir12]

I feel it was designed with a much more "energetic" cartridge in mind.

[@stevenbobbybills]

Not a more energetic one, a heavier one. If you shot this with 5.7×28, it's still not going to have the momentum to carry on before the energy is redistributed.

[@tomnekuda3818]

Ian, not bad shooting considering the difficulty of the target plus improving. Your parting shot when addressing the target cracked me up!

[@philipsturtivant9385]

I found myself counting your rounds, and getting more and more tense each time as you got closer to #16. Trust me on this - I was with you, sweating, all the way 🙂

[@vigunfighter]

As much as I like RDSs, I think it is getting in your way. I find it causes people to snatch at the trigger, missing low (which you did plenty of) As far as the grip, you mostly have it, you just need consistancy. the key points are that the second thumb joint of the right hand snuggles into the first joint of the left hand (for a southpaw shooter), the right thumb rests against the frame, opposite to where the left trigger finger goes when you aren't shooting. Basically pointing straight ahead, at the target. Points to look for: no gap between where the hands meet. If you straighten the fingers of your right hand, they should be at 45 degree angle to the barrel. This angle of the hand/wrist of the support hand provides some sort of contective tissue benefit that helps control recoil. Ron Avery showed this to me at an ASLET conference in '98. I was immediately aware of its strength over the thumb on thumb grip I was using before, so much so that I spent the next 3 months unlearning the old grip and learning the new one.

[@austinarvanitis8226]

Entire video I’m over here cheering “C’mon Ian, C’mon Ian”. Love these “shooting challenges”. Brings a whole another level of prestige to the Channel. Fine shooting out of your largo, if I may say to you sir. 👍

[@Gunner92056]

For going lefty on a right handed pistol, you're kicking ass on the reloads! And shooting it too of course.

[@stovepipe8966]

I was really cheering for that thing to spin around ! I’m glad mention was made to the mag being downloaded one as I was wondering what ammo was allowing the slide to rack and load relatively easily. With the high spring tension of the Alien mags and the unique mechanics of the feeding system and short saddle breech block assembly, I can only rack a full mag with ball FMJ S&B or ammo with a similarly tapered bullet shape . The Alien will feed most anything from slidelock but to rack with the slide dropped , I always download one. The mag/feed issue is the only real challenge with the Alien as the heat and carbon build up are both manageable for a pistol intended purely for competition use. The shooting experience well compensates for the few down sides IMO .

[@Soulise1o1]

Viewers : How many Alien videos will Ian upload ? Ian : Yes

[@RonOhio]

I'd like to see an episode of testing 115, 124 and 147g 9mm vs 185 and 230g .45 ACP (in a double stack of some kind for fairness).

[@hedgeearthridge6807]

The target is pushed by momentum, not energy, so higher momentum rounds push harder. Momentum also is what causes recoil, so higher recoil rounds (like .45) do push harder. BUT, higher recoil rounds are harder to shoot quickly and accurately, so it kinda balances itself out, plus lower mag capacity means more reloads. Honestly I think a 9mm handgun would do a better job than a .45-70 Trapdoor Springfield, LOL

[@Mightylcanis]

@@BcFuTw9jt Because guns, ammo and the target cost money? Plus it'd make a good video for Ian to help recoup said money- or at least content for Patreon subs to continue giving him money.

[@Tetracarbon]

Smooth camera work. I like the over the shoulder view and focus pulling.

[@naturallyaspirated1410]

Now this makes you want to get out on the range and develop your skills. Great video Ian and great shooting.

[@southernmarksman]

Thank you for posting and showing us just how hard spinner targets really are!

[@cccalifornia7206]

Ian, it's good to see you smile and laugh!!😉👍😅🇺🇸

[@williamsample2631]

Honestly in this day and age is good to see anybody smile or laugh. On top of that to get to play with a $5,000 toy, Oh Be Still My beating heart!

[@AndrewAMartin]

The key to the spinner is timing/rhythm - you have to start slow and then speed up as it begins to swing. Ian was shooting way too fast, he needed to wait for the follow-up shots. Many of his shots came before the target was facing him. And that would also help with the misses. Patience is required, getting frustrated and flustered guarantees failure. Edit: actually, as I think about it, you slow down not speed up. It's been a long time since I shot a spinner (and that was in a cowboy action match, so no quick reload and not nearly as many shots)...

[@Getpojke]

Slick reloads on the first attempt though! It looks a lovely pistol to shoot.

[@jcorbett9620]

This is why Russell "Sinistral Rifleman" Fagin uses a Glock with a entended magazine, so he can blaze away at this target until it flips and doesn't have to worry about reloads. I can't remember exactly how many rounds his mag holds, but I think basically as many as Ian fired in each segment of this video! He can almost use the mag as a monopod whilst standing! lol

[@Tfaonc]

Now that the torture tests have been done and we know the Laugo still functions perfectly well I'd love to see some grouping tests to compare with the groups shot before the abuse started.

[@nicholaspatton5590]

I think the final torture test has been withstanding Gun Jesus’s wrath. The gun kept itself from being thrown at the spinner by Ian.

[@giarcsavage]

they sell little clear rubber dots for keeping cabinet doors from banging shut. stick one on there, until your thumb gets trained. they are clear, cheap and work well.

[@FastEddy1959]

So many used to tell him; hit the target when it’s perpendicular and you will transfer much more energy into it, even better than a double tap at an angle.

[@MarvinCZ]

Not exactly. A well executed double-tap will impart more momentum than one perfect hit. The problem here at times was Ian's timing, not that double-taps are bad.

[@MarvinCZ]

The target would have to be more than 60 degrees off perpendicular on both shots for the double-tap to impart less momentum than one perfect perpendicular shot.

[@sjs9698]

@@MarvinCZ how did you get to 60? given that the bullet's never going to impart all it's momentum (even if we pretend none is lost to heat & sound) i'd be surprised if the transfer fall-off wasn't nonlinear.

[@iantaakalla8180]

Cos(60) evaluates to a half, and it is cosine because we want the head on hit to influence the hit entirely and the opposite to not influence the hit at all

[@j.c.4139]

Very impressed with Ian's double taps. Freaking badass. 😎

[@MidlandsAirsoft]

up next spinner Vs Panzerfaust

[@kevdupuis]

I was thinking similar, RPG.

[@UnknownReloader]

We have a saying in hard enduro, "80% the rider 20% the bike". I think most people would benefit much more from $5000 worth of ammo than a $5000 pistol. It's like the guys that buy a Rekluse auto clutch. Yes it makes your general riding faster, yes you'll stall less but there's always that double log fall, or that hill climb, or that pivot turn you can't do because you don't understand clutch control. Now that reminds me, need to put some more rounds through my 17 MOS.

[@fuzzyhead878]

“You spin me right around, baby right around, like a nemesis target-“

[@STEVEARABIA1]

That’s a really cool target idea. I can imagine how frustrating that is.

[@petesheppard1709]

Ian's frustration was palpable, despite his niceness. I was feeling it too. I didn't realize until now that you can't drive it over with hits on the back of the targets.

[@thorium220]

I think on two or three occasions where he had a backface presentation it coincided with a reload; rather unfortunate.

[@rhubarbpie2027]

There is a very low angle where the bullet might impact, and has less influence as opposed to bullet strikes perpendicular to the plate.

[@SNOUPS4]

same

[@jfakoggl]

I enjoyed this video tremendously - and I felt Ian's anger and frustration. I feel it everytime when I pause my training just for a bit too long...

[@MellowFellowOfYellow]

Ian, I woke up with the spins too.

[@Destilight]

2:50 that reload was smooooth.

[@VosperCDN]

I'm not sure anyone loves the spinner .. except Sinistral Rifleman.

[@sancota1]

The Spinerslayer sows doom over all of spinnerkind.

[@Whitpusmc]

Big respect for you posting this! I would never get it to go over and my six KZbin followers would never know…

[@twte5647]

I kept waiting for Ian to hit the the other side of the small target as soon as it started to flip, i was yelling at the screen. I think that would have helped it even more

[@andrewbroeker9819]

Yes. Definitely missed some chances to clear it.

[@jaredbaker5447]

I don't think you're allowed to hit the backside of the target, that's part of the challenge

[@alanberickson]

@@jaredbaker5447 Not in my world.

[@henrikoldcorn]

It won’t have a huge effect, you really need to hit the plates perpendicularly for maximum effect.

[@twte5647]

Agreed that you'll transfer more energy if you hit the target with 0° angles. I think bullet mass and speed would have more of an impact over precision though

[@VED110508]

I spent 2 minutes searching for Nemesis from Resident Evil and a Xenomorph in the thumbnail and now I feel very stupid.

[@TexasPlinking]

I find myself wanting this target badly haha 😂

[@keithplymale2374]

I have long wanted that and a Texas Star and the Rack target but no money for the targets much less the ammo.

[@External2737]

So do I, but apparently I want to burn money to frustrate myself.

[@kylebradley3]

If you do, you should try it with different bullet weights, 115, 124 nato spec, and 147, then some +p.

[@External2737]

@@kylebradley3 Ohhh, I have a bunch of 136gr +P target ammo I bought cheap years ago, now I really want this target! I'll probably frustrate myself.

[@khaelamensha3624]

Yup me too, I will use one of the weapons of one of Ian s video Pak40 will be my choice of gun 😁

[@MrCarabryne]

I think the most effective solution would be to hit it when it's perfectly vertical everytime, probably easier said than done but if on can get the timing right it's the best moment to hit it. Plus it's at the same position everytime so I'd take a static object in the background as reference target. Epic boss fight though, good luck Ian you'll beat it!

[@australovenatortomino_1741]

The spinner has no equal on this Earth, so new force is called upon...

[@angst_]

I think when you really get it swinging and you hit a double tap on the bottom to push it past the half-way spot you should follow through with a hit on the back of the top target; it almost lines up well with the area you're aiming at anyway.

[@Archfile375]

I suspect the angles involved mean that hitting it late in the away motion imparts less energy. Timing the shot from a physics point of view will help greatly. Plus you might be better with a heavy or higher energy load in 9mm all things being equal

[@MarvinCZ]

The physics there is pretty easy, it's the momentum that matters. Heavy for caliber rounds do better. A hit when it's exactly perpendicular to the ground is better than at an angle but a double-tap is better if both shots are less than 60° off perpendicular, which Ian usually managed.

[@southerncross4956]

This guy is as real and honest as it gets.

[@Messier87_M87]

I love this pistol and I love this channel! I’m really looking forward to a part 2 of this video. Don’t leave us hanging Ian, lol.

[@RevanofRuin]

spinner: *exists* Gun Jesus: "Dinkle-BURG!!!!"

[@halikstears6307]

So, if I understand the ballistics correctly, transferring energy to the spinner is best done with heavy slow rounds. Is that correct? What would be the ideal pistol round for the spinner, if you had a magic gun with unlimited bullets?

[@TacticalTerry]

Probably 44 Special. Slow fat rounds with lots of mass. Not much recoil with some loads.

[@greggv8]

Go for the 17th round and get a magazine loader. I bought one for my Taurus that has 12 round magazines. So much easier to load when I can use my whole hand on the loader to push a round down then slide the next one in halfway. Pick up the loader and push the round all the way in. Repeat until full. If there isn't one for the Laugo it shouldn't be hard to modify one of the many 3D models of them that are available for 3D printing.

[@ericspnw8385]

I was getting anxious just watching you shoot that thing.

[@wallytangofoxtrot4721]

Nice top Ian. Redefining ’Fashion Shoot’.

[@kupokinzyt]

Ian, shoot the big target when after it's started spinning and beginning it's travel downwards (you'd be shooting the backside when it's up in the air). The bigger plate will force that bad boy to spin, along with the already downward momentum it's getting from gravity by returning itself.

[@MikeDCWeld]

There were also a couple of times when he could have held at the bottom and shit the top target there and gotten the around.

[@notforsaletoday1895]

@@W1ldt1m no, just a guy giving some possibly helpful advice.

[@CarRacerGVR4]

Double or triple the first shots on the top plate when it is mostly static to get a good initial run of momentum going and then transition to the bottom plate, which is easier to hit once things are moving.

[@robviousobviously5757]

my thought exactly

[@johnharder5618]

I love your videos I am wondering if a change in ammo might help get the spinner around easier for you As I used to shoot IHMSA and there were bullets designed to hold together better as they impacted a steel target Allowing more of the foot pounds of energy to be used to move the steel target and not be lost ither bullet splatter So maybe going to a heavier bonded bullet at a slightly slower FPS

[@PepperDog76]

Ian is a freaking national treasure.

[@dr.fritzknobel1806]

That ending alone would have been enough to make my day.

[@Joggelschorsch]

Love, that you actually pick a challenge! Exuse the sideline-expert talk, but i feel you need to hit the spinner later, when it´s already swung back, past the rotation axis. Double taps are obviously great, but the first hit (when the plate is in front of the axis) seems to have hardly any impact and sometimes work agains the inertia. Obviously the window for a perfect hit closes fast, because the forces change at the apex point... but I think you could take a second more to aim and maybe succeed this way.

[@ziggarillo]

I really think double tapping is a waste of ammo until you can hit at the right point in the swing . I would concentrate on hitting at the right point in the swing. Later you can show off I think hitting twice can interfere with the "resonant frequency" of the swing

[@MarvinCZ]

"resonant frequency of the swing", that's a new one. No, there's no such thing. A double-tap will be better than one perfect hit if the plate is less than 60° off perpendicular. That's 120° of "room", Ian was mostly managing it.

[@ziggarillo]

@@MarvinCZ There is in fact a resonant frequency of the swing , it is not a new thing just because you have not heard of it or do not understand. Hitting the target at the right point in the swing ( not just hitting it at "some point in the swing) Imparts energy in the direction of the swing.Hit it at the wrong point ( even if its swinging in the right direction) transfers energy at the wrong angle and it is absorbed by causing the target shake in its mount instead, often this will disrupt the swing and slow it down. You will see on his most recent video how it works rather more efficiently.

[@MarvinCZ]

@@ziggarillo Oh, you're calling *that* "resonant frequency"? Good for you, I guess. I call hitting it at the right angle to impart the most energy simple Newtonian physics. Though it's about part of the bullet's momentum being redirected and wasted, not "making it shake".

[@raideurng2508]

Better call Sinistral Rifleman, I hear he's the spinner slayer....

[@sancota1]

*doom music starts playing; spinner ball bearings start to shake out of fear*

[@ifax1245]

I bet the Pak40 would make it spin, mind you, you might have a problem trying to find the spinner after the hit.

[@kellymouton7242]

It would solve the double tap requirements, for sure

[@PaletoB]

Maybe something more accessible like a Ruger N1 45-70? Could make an interesting test with loads from 300g 1400fps to 500g 1700fps ;)

[@TheNapalmFTW]

Dark stole your comment

[@RockIslandAuctionCompany]

The only way to beat the spinner is to embrace the spinner. You bought one of your own, so it should only be a matter of time. Very cool to take steps toward betterment.

[@someguy2741]

I think you should concentrate on single shot top and bottom OR double tapping the bottom NOT both. In the beginning you have good success but as the spinner speed increases you need the time for the next setup. I think the one and one, which averages 2 per cycle, is what you should try for. The doubles destroy the chance for the single and just wastes ammo.

[@CreegzInCanada]

That target is far more difficult than I thought it was. I've never tried one before, but now I want to.

[@PelenTan]

You're waiting too long on your shots to the bottom, heavier, gong. The acceleration of gravity is constant, regardless of the speed of the object. It always, up to where wind resistance comes into play, adds to the acceleration. Your first shot should be as close to when it starts its downward motion as possible. The second shot should be just before it goes full vertical. Anything else and you're throwing some of the punch fighting gravity. Also, the times you got it swinging past 100. You didn't seem to take any shots towards the back side of the top spinner. I would think that would be an ideal shot as it doesn't require much vertical adjustment from your shots at the lower one.

[@kranjcalan]

i dont agree that hitting it as fast as it start to go down helps. the more horizontal the spinner less energy is put in rotation. just one shot on botttom plate when it is completly vertical. this shoul give highest amount of energy into the spin and then start to aim at top plate

[@ktrile]

yah, energy is force times distance. you're wasting energy any time the force and direction of movement are not parallel. so hits when the targets are vertical are most efficient. in theory, anyway.

[@PelenTan]

@@kranjcalan That is correct if it's just one shot. But if you're going to double-tap it, you need to balance out where to put the "second" shot. Yes, the prime mover is going to be the one that is hitting it almost perpendicular. But he really wasn't hitting that. By waiting for his first shot to be more perpendicular his second shot was coming well after it started its upswing. So putting the second shot where the travel of the bullet will put more mass into the system is the best choice. Again, this is only if you're attempting double taps. One "Ok" plus one "ideal" will be better than two "ok" transfers of energy.

[@MarvinCZ]

@@PelenTan A hit shortly after it has started the upswing is much better than a hit when it's almost horizontal. In fact there's no difference between a shot when it's going up or down, the only thing that matters is how far it is off vertical. The "fighting gravity" thing is the Oberth effect, which again says that it doesn't matter if it's going up or down, it's just "the closer to the vertical (fastest speed), the better". In short, the best would be two hits, one when it's shortly before vertical, and another when it's a bit after.

[@happyhowey]

That first magazine change! Damn Ian that was super slick.

[@romgl4513]

Would love to give it a spin, so to say. It's all in the timing, not even sure target transitions are a must, maybe good timed sure hits on the top target are enough.

[@MarvinCZ]

It depends on the spinner. On this draggy one you need to keep hammering it at every chance you get.

[@worldtraveler930]

I foresee Ian polishing every single moving part on that target until it is as slick as glass!!! 😆😁

[@Texas_Red_01]

I've past 60, and decided to try a red dot on my USPSA handgun. They're great for "older eyes", they say. Well, I quickly discovered that you don't simply install a red dot on your handgun and become a better shooter... Instead; we now play a new game, called, "Where's the f*cking dot?!?" :-) I've satisfied spinner targets many times, with iron sighted handguns. Last weekend was my first attempt at one with "Carry Optics". I never did spin it. :-( But, like Ian, I'll keep practicing with this dot thingy; and I'll eventually get it. :-)

[@krinkov39]

It's impressive that the camera can pick up the bullets in flight at such a short range.

[@carlbrown9082]

We all feel your pain, Ian. But imagine the satisfaction you'll feel when you start getting it right. However, I must ask. What is the practical benefit from such practice? Is it in the target selection process or the visual acuity? Or is it in the moving target practice?

[@ChoChan776]

I feel like you just answered your own question

[@hairyneil]

All of the above surely? And the skill of putting them all together, accuracy, timing and doing it under pressure or time and ammo.

[@weaponizedemoticon1131]

And reload speed. It's very important to do quick reloads with this.

[@BassicBear]

There's also the mental aspect of keeping track of all of the normal things (stance, grip, sights, trigger) while also keeping awareness of the movement of the target and only placing shots where they add energy to the swinger. Being able to put the fundamentals on autopilot and keep your conscious mind available to make decisions and observations is incredibly valuable practice.

[@gasper5223]

He already did it once with a Luger in 15 rounds XD kzbin.info/www/bejne/qGO9mXiXg9-Wjrs

[@gnarshread]

I went to school for industrial design. Body mechanics plays a major role in how we interact with a product. How your hand naturally lays across a surface, and it causing an issue would be a failing grade.

[@rong1924]

I'm sure it's just video compression artifact, but the Alien seemed to have an otherworldly aura around it.

[@Astraeus..]

A lot of folks might not see the point of this specific type of target, but if your town is invaded by backflipping ninja and rogue cheerleaders you'll see the point!

[@Tsumami__]

As a gamer that title read so different to me from its actual meaning. I sat for a good solid minute trying to figure out if this was a video about someone modding Alien Isolation to have Nemesis from Resident Evil in it. I need sleep.

[@JoachimElmesioo]

I read it as RE Nemesis also, but then saw who uploaded the video.

[@jimofthenorth8090]

I've never before been so invested in a man shooting a piece of metal.

[@colinjones9211]

Its all about timing Ian, and yours is all over the place. You need to hit it squarely for max impact. Get into a rhythm of shooting only when its vertical.

[@humphreybumblecuck5151]

100% right. It shouldn’t be that hard if you do it proper, slow, and methodical. Shooting it when it’s beyond 45 degrees is just skipping ammo off the plates without imparting even half the momentum

[@helterskelter416]

yes, it is very important to think of the energies it has, both the kinetic and the potential, as it is swinging. you want to hit it at the right time so that you get the most increase in rotational velocity.

[@chrisgabbert658]

👍😊 your hat is looking good. As for the gripping the gun , my hand, one grips the gun as I’m shooting one handed and the other hand helps when needed.

[@Zundfolge]

Every time I see someone struggle with a spinner I'm reminded of all those people that think .40 S&W is dumb.

[@elitewill-fr3dx]

"yeah guys my cartridge is better at clearing this one specific target, aren't I better?"

[@markculler3193]

Ian I've always hated that BEEPING target. But it does do wonders for your accuracy!

[@Lishak429]

Seeing this makes me want to have another try on a gun license. This looks like so much fun.

[@elenna_alexia]

How hard is it to get a license where you live?

[@cartermilano6026]

You're not from the US are you lol

[@classicbandgeek]

@@cartermilano6026 You'd be surprised at how many of us aren't.

[@docreed7057]

Go for it man, it will be worth it

[@Lishak429]

@@elenna_alexia I have tried once and aced the theoretical exam, but failed practical exam when I forgot to check a chamber of a shotgun after field stripping it and putting it back together. It's not hard, you just need to remember lot of things and exact procedures. I will try again in a few months.

[@elchuco00]

It looked like they moved more when you shot them at a straight up and down perpendicular angle. Good stuff, glad the gun still works!

[@SaxonArmamentsCo]

I am a combat vet of...many....years service and conflicts (I was a PMC). I am not a target shooter of any sort but was wondering if this would be "easier" to achieve with a heavier bullet? 45? I know the whole mass x velocity= force things so perhaps it wouldnt matter since the 45 is so slow...but was wondering?

[@eightchips]

Maybe placebo for me but going from 9mm to 45 on plates that move I felt like they flew back a lot more

[@RichardCranium321]

Yes, 45 works better for imparting energy on a spinner but sucks for fast follow up shots which is whats needed to get the target to make one full revolution...

[@bartonbrevis3831]

2/3 the velocity w/ 2x the mass = 33% more momentum on target to move it. A slower, heavier, push will transfer more momentum to the target, than a faster 'slap'.

[@andreasmuller4666]

They did a test with different calibres on one of the gun channels and basically the big bores blew it out way faster. The "good old" joke pistol .50AE Desert Eagle was one of the best for it. (if i remember it correctly at least)

[@neuromancer886]

The spinner is rotating due to the kinetic energy passed on by the hit. Kinetic energy is 0.5*mv2( 2 is for squared). So if you think about it you are better off with higher velocity. If you double the mass from say 8 gm to 16 gm your KE doubles but if you increase your velocity from say 300 m/s to 600 m/s then its a factor of 600*600 instead of 300*300.SO in this example its 4 times the KE.

[@confuzionn4843]

LOL that small clip at the end was hilarious. I love it.

[@MrThomass281]

It always looks easier on video. That is a hard target.

[@scottmarshall6766]

I've got the mini version made by Outers, I believe, it's got to be around 20yrs old at this point. I was never even able to get close to flipping it with my custom Buckmark (or any other .22), despite having 5 10 rnd mags laid out. A couple of years ago I bought an Armscor Rock Island 1911A1 22TCM/9mm RIA and she will do it, although there is some wear, especially with the barrel. I'm pretty sure these things were designed by the ammunition companies, they should give them away for free like inkjet printers!

[@JoachimElmesioo]

Some of those reloads really seemed like video game reloads by how fast they were.