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I sold my SawStop for a slider // Hammer K3 Winner Assembly

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Bent's Woodworking

Bent's Woodworking

Күн бұрын

I sold my 3HP SawStop PCS for the Hammer K3 Winner Sliding Table Saw. I wasn't unhappy with the SawStop at all, I really just want to see what it is like to use a sliding table saw. I also wanted to see how I could incorporate a saw like this into a garage workshop.
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@ehudgavron9086
@ehudgavron9086 Жыл бұрын
You are a better man than I for your patience not just to put it all together but to document it in a cool calm voice. The second I'd have opened the crate to find 3 different caches of 40+ parts I'd have thrown something somewhere and yelled words I don't want small children to hear. And in case you think "Well maybe you don't like complex projects", I'm an ex-IT guy on multi-year projects and a current helicopter pilot but... putting together this saw makes me shudder... and that's before all the alignment stuff ... just kills me thinking about it. Great video, narration, and the patience of Job!
@bentswoodworking
@bentswoodworking Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@thomashammond4229
@thomashammond4229 Жыл бұрын
Jason, thank you for all of your quality videos over the years. I really appreciate how you’ve held on to the good that comes from the KZbin community and let go of the toxic bad to keep moving forward. I have learned many wonderfully valuable skills from you that have helped me build my business. I have also benefited from your recommendations for several large tool purchases as well. No regrets. So thank you again. Enjoy your new beautiful machine. You deserve it.
@philvale5724
@philvale5724 Жыл бұрын
Hi 👋, Nice Saw , Great upgrade, I have the K7 Felder , spindle moulder and table-saw. I notices The sliding table seems to be fixed, where on mine i can lift the sliding table on and off, this is great saving on space, Hope you all the success for the future, I am now retired in my 70s and I still have most of my woodworking tools and machinery, it looks like you’ve got a great pallet truck, I was very lucky around 20 years ago I was in Cambridge in UK, the shop was closing down and everything had to be sold off and I noticed a pallet truck. I’ve got a label on it for sale offers, so I just went in and said £50 I said done you can pick it up at the end of the week which I did, Keep up the great work and stay safe , I have now moved to France, Phil from the moulin France,
@nobdyspecial
@nobdyspecial Жыл бұрын
I picked up the Hammer C3-31 a year ago, and I can confidently tell you, you're going to love the sliding table!
@bentswoodworking
@bentswoodworking Жыл бұрын
Can't wait!
@stevecowart395
@stevecowart395 Жыл бұрын
I bought a Felder CF531P. My first slider (combination machine). Complex, but heavy and so incredibly accurate! You will love the first time you rip a board with no straight side! Just use the slider and rip perfectly.
@bentswoodworking
@bentswoodworking Жыл бұрын
I can’t wait
@shanewilliams6853
@shanewilliams6853 Жыл бұрын
use a fine(100ish) tooth blade instead of a rip blade. then no jointer needed, saves a lot of time going from machine to machine.
@MrSharper802
@MrSharper802 Жыл бұрын
You can do the same thing with a piece of plywood and two toggle clamps, for about $5K less
@finchworks7956
@finchworks7956 Жыл бұрын
I have a Felder CF731 combo machine, purchased in 2004. It has worked flawlessly for these many years. One important thing with sliding table saws is to make sure you have sufficient infeed/outfeed and table- side clearance. (I have just 10 feet in each direction). From the video it looks like that is not a problem for you. I am sure that you will love the convenience of the Hammer sliding table.
@andersonolive4553
@andersonolive4553 Жыл бұрын
Oh man I’m excited to see these future videos. Your purchase could not have come at a better time for me personally 😂. Thank you so much for your continuous top quality videos Jason. They are always packed with good stuff. Enjoy the new saw!
@oldmangloomify
@oldmangloomify Жыл бұрын
Sliders are so much safer and superior than a cabinet saw. Even without the sawstop technology. Many of the high end sliders are now incorporating a similar technology which means they are going to be even far safer, and they are non destructive meaning the blade can be reused and does not require actual contact with the blade to trigger the stop.
@steveogle3679
@steveogle3679 Жыл бұрын
Know someone who lost a finger to a slider. From not keeping their concentration and making multiple cuts. Saw stop is a no brainer. Interesting to see more of the new tech you are talking about.
@oldmangloomify
@oldmangloomify Жыл бұрын
@@steveogle3679 that's unfortunate, sorry to hear that. Check out the Altendorf Hand Guard as well as the Felder PCS systems
@jamommagotocollege
@jamommagotocollege Жыл бұрын
@@oldmangloomify kappa 550 e-motion will run you 22K+ the Altendorf Hand Guard is probably a 25K saw
@oldmangloomify
@oldmangloomify Жыл бұрын
The Altendorf is actually around $67k 😅
@bowlchamps37
@bowlchamps37 Жыл бұрын
@@steveogle3679 If you cut your finger on a sliding table saw it´s not because of a lack of concentration but because of completely neglecting how to use it properly. SawStop is fooling people cause it provides a safety system for somethig that´s pretty rare. Kickback and eye injuries are far more common and a sawstop (especially those who don´t use a riving knife and blade guard) does not protect from that. Imagine you buy a car and the salesman give you a helmet with it, so you can speed on the streets and not care about others. That´s basically the SawStop feature.
@KentuckyFriedTendies
@KentuckyFriedTendies Жыл бұрын
Just picked up the same saw. I was trained on sliders and have always been on the lookout. When I saw the K3 on sale, I pulled the trigger. However, I kept my SawStop for now because I have 4 kids who are itching to learn woodworking and I'm blessed with enough space for two saws.
@bentswoodworking
@bentswoodworking Жыл бұрын
It would be awesome to have the space for 2
@RICHat22
@RICHat22 Жыл бұрын
I was about to say that delivery driver seemed pretty cool to help you. Lots of them would drop it in the driveway and wish you luck. Nice saw. Great video. Wish I had room, or a good reason, to have one. Enjoy.
@aapoapina7390
@aapoapina7390 Жыл бұрын
Here in europe we've often wondered why sliders arent more common in US. They are so versatile and nice to use even with heavy weight and large sheet materials.
@GroberWeisenstein
@GroberWeisenstein Жыл бұрын
North Americans usually end up adding slide assemblies from OEM or third party.
@philvale5724
@philvale5724 Жыл бұрын
Hi 👋, I have the K7 Falder my sliding table lifts off , saving on space, I have noticed a lot of things are different from Europe to US. I think some of it is due to safety aspects, Phil from the moulin France.
@farmcat3198
@farmcat3198 Жыл бұрын
Because we're arrogant Americans who think we know better.
@oliver299d
@oliver299d Жыл бұрын
it depends on what you're doing, I have a slider for doing cabinets, I also have two other saws that I use for solid wood, each machine does different things best
@saxus
@saxus Жыл бұрын
​@@GroberWeisenstein Yeah, but it's not the same. Like here the blade is on the side next to the slider instead of the mid of the table. Also for cutting big panels there are saws with the ability to add a precutter blade which makes a big difference in cut quality. You can't do it with a traditional cabinet saw while you can use this kind of saws as the cabinet saws.
@stevevmanbresnan
@stevevmanbresnan Жыл бұрын
Jason, great vid, awesome step by step. I’ve had my K3 Winner for about 8 years and love it. Sure was tricky getting it off the pallet by myself. My rented pallet jack would no hold the weight as I was rolling the saw down the ramp … tense moments to say the least. Having worked in a commercial cabinet shop and learned on German table saw’s with sliders, I knew then I wanted one in my shop. The slider with the blade brake really makes this saw safe (IMO). Thanks and enjoy!
@bentswoodworking
@bentswoodworking Жыл бұрын
Looking forward to learning it
@user-bk3ym9lg1x
@user-bk3ym9lg1x Жыл бұрын
I have had my K3 Winner for just about 1 year and absolutely love it. I did look at the Saw Stop, however decided to go for the slider as it handles sheet material more easily. The machine is super accurate and easy to use and I have a scoring blade and dado set to add / install when required. I'm looking forward to seeing your future videos and keen to hear what you think once you have had a chance to used it.
@bentswoodworking
@bentswoodworking Жыл бұрын
I’m excited to learn it!
@GeraldLeenerts
@GeraldLeenerts Жыл бұрын
I also received my k3 winner a couple weeks ago. So far I’m loving this machine, goodbye my dozen or so homemade sleds!
@bentswoodworking
@bentswoodworking Жыл бұрын
Nice!!
@bradboyer1381
@bradboyer1381 Жыл бұрын
Probably the best advertisement for your straight edge possible. I couldn't imagine assembling and calibrating your new saw without it. Didn't realize that it has that fat edge allowing you to let it rest perpendicular while you attend to other tasks with your hands. Now I can't wait to see the saw in action!
@richardlug6139
@richardlug6139 5 ай бұрын
I pretty sure a level would have done the job they have a nice straight edge and are a lot cheaper.
@cuebj
@cuebj Жыл бұрын
Subscribed. In UK, southeast London, I'll never have space or, being retired, funds, or reason to get such a cabinet saw. But the clarity of your video - both sound and picture - means I'll probably learn something from you. At 68, I learned my woodwork in extracurricular sessions, 7 hours a week, at boarding school from head of maintenance who was a cabinet maker by trade, not a classroom teacher. I was trusted with lathes but boys couldn't use table saw or band saw. All hand tools then: made dovetail cabinets, standard lamps, inlaid coffee tables. Won woodwork prize. Now, I mostly do heavy duty DIY and modify Ikea products using power tools
@ebonicmaser
@ebonicmaser Жыл бұрын
It came with enough free wood to make a project lol
@kumosworkshop
@kumosworkshop Жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂
@farmcat3198
@farmcat3198 Жыл бұрын
It's all wet pressure treated lumber. Not something you want to run on your new cast iron surfaces.
@liameverything4444
@liameverything4444 Жыл бұрын
Yah except it’s kinda crap
@k.cashman427
@k.cashman427 Жыл бұрын
Precise and detailed assembly instructions. Great video and congrats on your purchase!
@bentswoodworking
@bentswoodworking Жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@dwgar1322
@dwgar1322 Жыл бұрын
Yay you now have a winner and I’m so excited because I have the same table saw. I consider you as someone who knows what they’re doing when it comes to woodworking so I can’t wait until you do a video on how to fine tune the saw.
@r7j7t7
@r7j7t7 Жыл бұрын
Welcome to the slider club. It ain't small but I love my k3. Sure it doesn't have the saw stop tech but it is way easier to stay away from the blade kickback zone and if you routinely cut sheet goods I can't imagine life can get any easier, particularly if you get it with the scoring blade (silky smooth cuts in the veneers). I can't put 4x8 sheets on it but it is plenty big enough to throw on 5x5 baltic birch.The only thing i don't like is the blade guard as the knob makes it impossible to set the blade height anywhere near the depth of the gullets. I built an overhead dust collection "hood" based on David Bedrosian's plans but added some LED lights. Enjoy and thanks for posting.
@lefthandedleprechaun8702
@lefthandedleprechaun8702 Жыл бұрын
I have a standard tablesaw and a Sliding Tablesaw , i use both daily, rip with my tablesaw and cutoff with my slider, a great combo since 2004 for me.
@liveyourhobbies4569
@liveyourhobbies4569 Жыл бұрын
Jason - just put in an order for a K3, this video and your future videos on it played a part in that decision. Looking forward to what's to come!
@bentswoodworking
@bentswoodworking Жыл бұрын
That’s awesome! And I’m excited about the new saw
@celticwoodworking8706
@celticwoodworking8706 Жыл бұрын
I have had my Felder K3 for several years now. You will not be disappointed. I am not sure why it is taking us so long to start using a sliding table saws, as they are simply amazing. Good luck and keep up the great videos.
@bentswoodworking
@bentswoodworking Жыл бұрын
I’m excited about the change
@idontthinkso666
@idontthinkso666 Жыл бұрын
Uhhh....because they are so expensive?
@oliver299d
@oliver299d Жыл бұрын
@@idontthinkso666 if it makes you money cost is irrelevant
@riverbuilder2251
@riverbuilder2251 Жыл бұрын
I’m amazed at this whenever I see an American video with an old style saw with an ungainly sled setup, and no knife or guard
@bowlchamps37
@bowlchamps37 Жыл бұрын
@@idontthinkso666 As oliver said, it´s about cost-efficiency. I just watched a video yesterday where someone had a sawstop but had to use a circular saw (and festool system) for cross cuts. This costs you money every day.
@bowlchamps37
@bowlchamps37 Жыл бұрын
Congratulations. A sliding table saw is the way to go. It hurts my woodworking soul (I started in 1946) to see so many people having a saw stop when could buy a superior sliding table saw. I understand a lot of Americans wanna buy American stuff, I get that, as I only buy German woodworking stuff (but fortunately Germany is the leading country in manufactoring woodworking machines), but I never understood why they use a table saw like this.
@matthewclemente420
@matthewclemente420 Жыл бұрын
I Have had mine for 6 year and love it. Best of luck.
@MoGhotbi
@MoGhotbi Жыл бұрын
Congratulations. I got the same Hammer K3 because I mainly build cabinets and it's absolutely great for panel work. The standard blade is great but for panel work, you should consider one of the Tenryu plywood blades.
@bentswoodworking
@bentswoodworking Жыл бұрын
Tenryu are definitely my favorite blades
@oclaser
@oclaser Жыл бұрын
Great choice Jason! unloading was well calculated, but you need to be friends some neighbors just in case.😄. My Epilog Pro 48 was almost same size crate and it took 3 of us to unload it from the truck and push it on the sloped driveway to the edge of the garage. However the machine is on the wheels and Epilog includes 2x8 ramps. We could not do it without my neighbor.
@bentswoodworking
@bentswoodworking Жыл бұрын
I would have loved to have someone here. 🤣
@robertsmith3518
@robertsmith3518 Жыл бұрын
Happy New Saw ! What a great saw to buy , congratulations on your choice . Cheers
@SteelBladeWoodworks
@SteelBladeWoodworks Жыл бұрын
Nice saw, awesome video. Can’t wait for the future videos to come out!!!
@bentswoodworking
@bentswoodworking Жыл бұрын
Thanks 👍
@jimrosson6702
@jimrosson6702 Жыл бұрын
Wow what a tab saw congrats on getting it can’t wait to see how it works
@bentswoodworking
@bentswoodworking Жыл бұрын
You and me both!
@ptj6412
@ptj6412 Жыл бұрын
can't wait to see more
@johnhuelsenbeck35
@johnhuelsenbeck35 Жыл бұрын
Nice video! I think it's really interesting that you sold your SawStop for this saw. I never sold a SawStop. Rather, I went down the table saw rabbit hole and came to the conclusion that a slider made the most sense for me. I ended up getting precisely the same saw you have. I like the idea that, out of the box, you can do all sorts of things (such as cross cutting) without making jigs. The only jig I recommend you get is a Fritz & Franz. Bedrosian makes a really nice one that you can order. Or, you can make one yourself. Uncrating was a chore for me. My situation is a bit different as I live on a very steep hill (30 something degrees). After a nerve-racking experience getting the saw into the garage, I made a ramp, but installed the rolling kit while the saw was still on the pallet and then just rolled it down the ramp I video taped the unloading of my saw. I thought about making an uncrating video, but it was ruined by a lot of plumber's crack on my part. I've been happy with my K3. I'm quite unhappy with my dust collection system, which is next up. I have a very small space. I might replace my K3 at some future date with a KF 700 (slider/shaper combination machine).
@bentswoodworking
@bentswoodworking Жыл бұрын
David is making me one as we speak actually
@hansangb
@hansangb Жыл бұрын
I don't recall if this is the same model as the one in Marius Hornberger's video. I think his was the BASIC model. But he had some great long term review and modifications that he suggested. I believe Hammer incorporated them into their line up. May be worth checking out.
@johnhuelsenbeck35
@johnhuelsenbeck35 Жыл бұрын
I'm familiar with Hornberg's videos. He has the basic model. He did a video recently reviewing the saw after a year. The conclusion: he likes the saw, but wishes he had gotten the version we see here (the K3 Winner). The Basic model has an inferior fence and the table isn't nearly as long. Marius identified a flaw in the design of the stop for the rear (smaller) cross cut fence. It can change its position over time, so your fence can become out of square. The only thing that really pisses me off about Felder (besides the outrageous wait times for their machines) is the fact that the same defective stop is still sold on the machines. You can see it on the machine from this video! They sell a modified version of the stop that fixes the problem Marius identified, but they don't include it as standard. Jerks.
@user-qz2qu2hp2i
@user-qz2qu2hp2i Жыл бұрын
I keep form telling you thank you for your service.
@johnhuelsenbeck35
@johnhuelsenbeck35 Жыл бұрын
Oh, one more thing. A few weeks ago I was in Munich. I had a few days to spare, so I drove to Hall in Tirol where the Felder factory is. My sales rep (in Sacramento) organized a tour for me. The tour was excellent. One thing I learned: you could have had your saw painted to a custom color!
@dakotacorvin4756
@dakotacorvin4756 Жыл бұрын
Painted a custom color? That's such a little detail that's really cool I'll keep that in mind
@bentswoodworking
@bentswoodworking Жыл бұрын
Yes I was surprised to find out all of there tools are completely customizable.
@VoidOperator
@VoidOperator Жыл бұрын
Wow, what a beauty
@debarkeddesigns5376
@debarkeddesigns5376 Жыл бұрын
Great choice my dude! I love my Robland X31 and glad I didn’t go with a standard saw.
@rvninnorthcarolina3377
@rvninnorthcarolina3377 Жыл бұрын
I have a much older, early 90's Delta Unisaw 52" with an Excalibur sliding table. Not nearly as well built and put together as the Hammer but it is soooo much easier to use with sheet material and even crosscutting lumber. I bought it used from a cabinet maker who "upgraded" to a SawStop....but it got a sliding table add on :-)
@bentswoodworking
@bentswoodworking Жыл бұрын
Very cool!
@neilarmitage6632
@neilarmitage6632 Жыл бұрын
Good replacement. Sliding table saws are a must if you are woodworking every day. And buy the biggest model you can. Felder are brilliant
@HyperactiveNeuron
@HyperactiveNeuron Жыл бұрын
Happy to see Felder and Hammer getting some US exposure. The both make excellent tools
@HyperactiveNeuron
@HyperactiveNeuron Жыл бұрын
When I lived in Germany, I never got an explanation, no one seemed to know, but in Germany, Hammer means awesome.
@bentswoodworking
@bentswoodworking Жыл бұрын
Excited for this change
@no_goo
@no_goo Жыл бұрын
everything I've seen says great equipment but, then you see the same people complaining about service/warranty and delay in getting replacements. so seems great if you end up not having problems but impression i get is felder support sucks for the hammer.
@bowlchamps37
@bowlchamps37 Жыл бұрын
@@no_goo Felder is widely known (especially in Europe) for their poor customer service. Unless you are a regular buyer, if you have a problem, it´s your fault 90% the time.
@photohounds
@photohounds 10 ай бұрын
Bloody nice piece of kit, that! Want! Cheers from Australia ...
@johnhupp8444
@johnhupp8444 Жыл бұрын
When I removed my A3 41 from its pallet I removed the sleeper from one end. I then raised the other end of the pallet until the first end made contact with the floor. This allowed me to use a much shorter ramp.
@iamwhoiam4410
@iamwhoiam4410 Жыл бұрын
You're going to love that saw.
@bentswoodworking
@bentswoodworking Жыл бұрын
I think so too
@andrewwesely9430
@andrewwesely9430 Жыл бұрын
Good Choice. I have the Hammer B3 in the comfort package. Amazing tool. Scoring blade available and dado compatable as well. Make yourself a Fritz and Franz jig and you can cut/rip small pieces with ease. That crosscut/outrigger sled makes processing sheet goods a breeze. You will find your track saw and mitre saw lonely for more attention, since this unit will replace most (but not all) of that functionality as well. Enjoy!
@FinishCarpentryTV
@FinishCarpentryTV Жыл бұрын
I love my sliding table saw. I think you will like it. I use the sliding feature so much.
@bentswoodworking
@bentswoodworking Жыл бұрын
I’m really excited to have it in the shop now
@BKMakes
@BKMakes 7 ай бұрын
Awesome!😄 slider FTW!
@bentswoodworking
@bentswoodworking 7 ай бұрын
Best thing I ever put in the shop
@Andy-iw9su
@Andy-iw9su Жыл бұрын
I have a hammer c3. It’s awesome.
@pitsnipe5559
@pitsnipe5559 Жыл бұрын
Cool tool!
@alfanazzamcraft
@alfanazzamcraft Жыл бұрын
Great boss, your equipment and methods are very high quality, greetings from Indonesia
@DRMadeIt
@DRMadeIt Жыл бұрын
Dang Jason. I check in every few months to see how you’re doing. Incredibly happy for you brother
@gusgusnft8231
@gusgusnft8231 Жыл бұрын
Congrats. I don’t have enough room for one of those, but I thought about it.
@gXXrGoNe
@gXXrGoNe Жыл бұрын
I'm so excited to see an established KZbin make a move to a slider! If I had the cash, I would definitely purchase one. A slider and common sense removes the need of the saw stop function! Can't wait to see your review whenever you feel comfortable enough to do so! So excited!!!
@b3arwithm3
@b3arwithm3 Жыл бұрын
Pretty obvious its a huge upgrade from the sawstop. Must be a blast to use this.
@adrianlouviere7650
@adrianlouviere7650 Жыл бұрын
Very nice job. Thanks!
@jeffreysmith5018
@jeffreysmith5018 Жыл бұрын
Very cool
@PharaohsCave
@PharaohsCave Жыл бұрын
I can see a Hammer fan here ;)
@mukfu
@mukfu Жыл бұрын
I just Uncrated my K3. For those without a pallet Jack I simply added the mobility kit laid two long 2x4s parallel to the crate, then ran shorter 2x4s perpendicular and used that as a make shift ramp. Took me 30 min. Taking apart the pallet, well that was a whole other ordeal!
@AB-nu5we
@AB-nu5we Жыл бұрын
I've always wondered about the 'magic' it took to assemble on of these things with all the moving parts they have. Nice video.
@thewoodshop69
@thewoodshop69 Жыл бұрын
I'm surprised it wasn't all tore up shipping with XPO. Believe me I work for them. 😂
@hhanger1
@hhanger1 Жыл бұрын
funny. I sold my Hammer K3 for a sawstop. The Hammer was a great saw but a lack of aftermarket accessories convinced me to get the SS with the slider. Best of both worlds.
@hhanger1
@hhanger1 6 ай бұрын
Update... I'm moving soon and will selling the SS to get a Felder 500 Professional. The slider is not the same and the cross cut fence is a pain and in the way when I am ripping.
@versus023
@versus023 8 ай бұрын
this is what dreams are made of ! but the price tag, definitely not for the average DIY guy out there! But good ogd that saw seems fun to work with!!
@vita8208
@vita8208 Жыл бұрын
I always wanted this type of saw, I got sawstop simply because it was easy to buy and cheaper, I’m still wishing for slide saw since I’m not 100% satisfied with professional cabinet saw.
@jeffhildreth9244
@jeffhildreth9244 Жыл бұрын
I bought my sliding table saw in 1984, 12"' 3 hp triple belt drive. Would not be without a sliding table saw. I have a new ( 6 months ago) Saw Stop Job Site Saw for space saving use and portability. while I am in process of building another shop. Much of my equipment is in temporary storage. I swallowed the safety feature kool aid and paid an obscene amount of money for a sub standard quality saw. Looking back I would have bought the far superior Makita at $1000 and saved $500 and considerable grief in dealing with Saw Stop "customer service". The first one I bought was grossly defective. Cured me, I'll not deal with them again. Worst customer service I have encountered in a tool related company in 30 plus years as a professional wood worker/furniture maker. Congrats on the new saw. Looking forward to the next video, I am in a frame of mind to get a newer sliding saw.
@marcelg1157
@marcelg1157 Жыл бұрын
Good for you, after some getting used to most of your cuts will be on the left side of the blade rips cuts included😉
@GoblinSpanker
@GoblinSpanker Жыл бұрын
I could make that pallet if I had a saw like that. 🤪 Congrats on the saw. Not jealous at at all!
@bentswoodworking
@bentswoodworking Жыл бұрын
🤣🤣
@jonathanthink5830
@jonathanthink5830 7 ай бұрын
why is your workshop so clean and nice? ..... :-)
@bentswoodworking
@bentswoodworking 7 ай бұрын
I clean up at the end of the day
@Aaron-nj4ou
@Aaron-nj4ou Жыл бұрын
Very nice Jason! The local wood mill I buy from has several Felder machines including the sliding table saw and they are spectacular. It always seemed like a superior design in my opinion compared to the typical US cabinet saw with the obvious down side of just significant space requirements. I am looking forward to you putting through its paces.
@ronmiddaugh2683
@ronmiddaugh2683 Жыл бұрын
Word to the wise, adjusting to the slider from a cabinet saw takes some getting use to. When I first got my slider (a Felder) I wondered if I had made a huge mistake. I felt like a complete novice again. Hang in there it gets better I promise, and then you will absolutely love it. Please check out the Extreme Woodworker, helped me immensely. Don't wait to long before making a Fritz & Franz jig. Best wishes with your new saw.
@Jackripster69
@Jackripster69 Жыл бұрын
Just checked him out, That dude has a Martin saw which is insanely expensive. Appears he's packed out with Festool as well. That man doesn't play about.
@davidpape9726
@davidpape9726 Жыл бұрын
Welcome to the world of sliding table / panel saws.
@steveogle3679
@steveogle3679 Жыл бұрын
Once you go to a slider you'll never go back. Happy finesse and accuracy. Make sure you take the time to make to make high quality cross cut and outfield tables.
@ianmoone2359
@ianmoone2359 Жыл бұрын
I think if it were me, I’d have bought a saw with a scribe saw mounted ahead of the main saw blade to avoid chip out on melamine sheet material. It’s the one limitation that I miss on My Robland X31 combination machine. I owned a Altendorf Tilting Arbor Panel Saw in a previous cabinet making life for 20 years, and it had the scribe saw. Downsizing to the Robland X31, I really find myself missing that scribe saw. I’ll probably buy upgrade the Robland X31 to something with another scribe saw at some point in the future.
@bentswoodworking
@bentswoodworking Жыл бұрын
This does have a scoring blade I just haven’t received it yet
@mitchblackmore5230
@mitchblackmore5230 Жыл бұрын
Damn, that's a behemoth!
@Midgaardsormen
@Midgaardsormen Жыл бұрын
I hope it will be everything you expect it to be
@bentswoodworking
@bentswoodworking Жыл бұрын
Me too
@danthechippie4439
@danthechippie4439 Жыл бұрын
I use a pannel saw in work, there is nothing like it as long as you have the space. It takes up a lot of realastate
@bentswoodworking
@bentswoodworking Жыл бұрын
This particular one takes up a lot less than I thought it would prior to looking at one in person
@colemine7008
@colemine7008 Жыл бұрын
I have a slider on my 20+ year old Ryobi BT3000. I think it is a neat little hobby version. I love the euro pro hammer versions, that would be the step up I would take, probably the 31 x 31 size.
@jamesc4362
@jamesc4362 11 ай бұрын
I would go with the K3 comfort at least. The outrigger makes cutting sheet good way easier
@Meyerwoodworks
@Meyerwoodworks Жыл бұрын
I was just looking at the Felder 500 the other day! I think I'll also be going with a slider vs. a Sawstop.
@bentswoodworking
@bentswoodworking Жыл бұрын
I’m really excited to see how this will change things for me.
@Meyerwoodworks
@Meyerwoodworks Жыл бұрын
@@bentswoodworking I know you're sponsored, but did you have a choice between the K3 and 500? The 500 comes with the X-Roll and they're the same price.
@jamommagotocollege
@jamommagotocollege Жыл бұрын
I found it difficult to spend the money on my ICS SawStop, I find it impossible to sell it to buy another type of table saw.
@markmoulin41
@markmoulin41 Жыл бұрын
Rumor has it that Sawstop will be offering a sliding table saw in the near future. It will be similar to other high quality sliders but will still have the safety feature.
@tron23058
@tron23058 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, everything is great until you lose a finger. If I was this youtuber, I would have kept the SawStop until SawStop comes out with a slider or SawStop tech gets incorporated into other saw brands. I guess he has an income where he has to keep buying the more expensive, exotic toys. I know many of these people.
@gXXrGoNe
@gXXrGoNe Жыл бұрын
A sliding table saw is safer to use then a traditional western saw! Your fingers are never near the blade and when used correctly you don't have to worry about wood getting pinched and kickback occurring. Of course like any tool common sense and awareness goes a long way but sliders are safer in general!
@81Lord-Nikon
@81Lord-Nikon Жыл бұрын
@@tron23058 He has a sponsorship with Felder. In most cases, when you have a sponsor, they require that you not have any other brands in which they are in competition with. This is why so many KZbinrs lose their sponsors (like Powermatic) if you buy a sawstop.
@AngieWilliamsDesigns
@AngieWilliamsDesigns Жыл бұрын
I have zero intentions of ever getting a saw like this. But I am interested in seeing how you use it in your shop and what you think about it. I’m still hoping to upgrade my old Delta cabinet saw to a Sawstop. I’ve always been fascinated by the slider saws though. A friend in town has an older one that I would love to get my hands on. He doesn’t do woodworking anymore. But he hasn’t been able to part with the saw.
@bentswoodworking
@bentswoodworking Жыл бұрын
I’m excited to learn how to get the most out of it. You’re welcome to come by and check it out anytime Angie
@What_Other_Hobbies
@What_Other_Hobbies Жыл бұрын
I have a C3-31 Comfort.
@rufogallardo7168
@rufogallardo7168 Жыл бұрын
I wanna see the video of him using it and comparing it to his saw stop
@Foxx6699
@Foxx6699 Жыл бұрын
SawStop isn't available here, except for the Festool battery tablesaws but there is not a chance that I'd ever switch back to a basic cabinet saw without a panel saw attachment. Recently I bought a K540s, best purchase in a long time.
@ancienttom97
@ancienttom97 Жыл бұрын
Really good trade. The sliding table is an asset while the SawStop is a liability.
@paulkramer4176
@paulkramer4176 Жыл бұрын
I wish I had a Euro sliding table saw for sure. I have second best, an Oliver 280 with an Excalibur sliding table. Pretty darn good, but not as nice as a modern slider. I too can't understand how so many of us American's don't have sliders, except that there are already so many great Euro saws available. Another piece of equipment that most small commercial or dedicated hobbyists seem to not get as soon as they should are wide belt sanders. Sure, I can understand how folks can't have the power to run a 37" wide belt sander, (including DC) but there are great small wide belts, open ended 16", that while not as precise as closed both ends, they make pre-sanding all parts so simple and enjoyable.
@richardlug6139
@richardlug6139 5 ай бұрын
I think it has to do with the price I had to look up what this saw cost and the smaller of the three variations 31x31 was slightly less than $6000 excluding taxes and shipping. Unless you are looking for an Industrial model that seems way out the league of a small shop and dedicated hobbyists. Also they need a larger area to work in. When I win the lottery I will put in a order, because they sure look like a gem to use.
@ryanackland9330
@ryanackland9330 8 ай бұрын
Im keen to hear how you are getting on with your K3 Winner and your N4400. I have ordered my A3-31 after watching your video on your A3-41, and was sold! I am going to look at ordering an N4400 and either the K3 Winner, or B3 Winner Comfort, but am keen to see your thoughts and impressions on yours. Loving your content!!
@curtlemons4211
@curtlemons4211 Жыл бұрын
I replaced my sawstop with an $800 dewalt.. no more false stops.. it's great.
@magicworldbyjorg
@magicworldbyjorg Жыл бұрын
,a cool video keep up the great content.. Thank you……
@bentswoodworking
@bentswoodworking Жыл бұрын
Thanks, will do!
@magicworldbyjorg
@magicworldbyjorg Жыл бұрын
@@bentswoodworking Thank you very mutch... have a nice day.... see you….
@tundrawhisperer4821
@tundrawhisperer4821 Жыл бұрын
Smart move! I have a Felder K700S and will never have another American cabinet saw again. It’s just too versatile.
@hooker4749
@hooker4749 Жыл бұрын
nice saw........
@chashint1
@chashint1 Жыл бұрын
Congratulations on the Felder/Hammer affiliation.
@bentswoodworking
@bentswoodworking Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@kelauben
@kelauben Жыл бұрын
As always, great review!!! Lots of tips to make note of. Did you consider other sliding table saws, either from Felder/Hammer or other? If so, what made this the right fit? I'm at that point of my purchase and interested in what your criteria were. Thanks and keep going!!!
@TwoTracksOutdoors
@TwoTracksOutdoors Жыл бұрын
Nice video and saw, Jason. Curious though about your criteria in choosing this brand over all the other sliding table saw offerings out there? Looking fwd to your next video showing use of this saw in your shop.
@bentswoodworking
@bentswoodworking Жыл бұрын
I have had a very positive experience with the jointer planer and that was the reasoning for expanding my hammer machines.
@TwoTracksOutdoors
@TwoTracksOutdoors Жыл бұрын
@@bentswoodworking I'm sure you're feeling like it's X'mas about now, with your new big boy's toy. I'm sure it will serve you well.
@NewTestamentDoc
@NewTestamentDoc Жыл бұрын
how many square feet of room in a workshop do you need to operate this well? With the sawstop, for example, you need room in front of the saw, behind it (outfeed table?), and to each side. jUst wondering if this would be a good addition for my limited space?
@stevenmasterson5871
@stevenmasterson5871 Жыл бұрын
Congrats on the new saw and continued success. Going from Incra Fence to the Felder standard fence.... interested in your thoughts.
@Jackripster69
@Jackripster69 Жыл бұрын
Building out a wood working shop is on my to do list at some stage. Ive always thought the panel saws a better option until CNCs. Seems to me the CNC is the ideal way to cut cabinets as it can drill all the shelf holes as well and only takes the footprint slightly bigger than the panel. With a track saw, miter saw and/or small footprint Festool siding table saw you should be well covered with ability to do more tasks? Curious as to why a modern woodworker wouldn't go that way?
@bentswoodworking
@bentswoodworking Жыл бұрын
I have no desire to sacrifice the space needed for a CNC. I had one, and sold it. That allowed me to put this into my shop. However, if I ran a production cabinet shop, then I would absolutely have one.
@Jackripster69
@Jackripster69 Жыл бұрын
@@bentswoodworking Yeah i understand the space requirements thats why i was asking about the viability of a CNC instead of a large tablesaw. Seems to me (as an onlooker atm) that the CNC is better for cabinets, can cut patterns, fixture holes and flatten larger pieces of timber all safely and on auto pilot once programmed. Sure it wouldnt be suitable for smaller things, thats why i mentioned the tint footprint Festool sliding tablesaw. Dont get me wrong im not knocking anyone's choice to go with a bigger panel/ table saw as you have over a CNC. Im just would've thought the combo i mentioned would allow you to do more things in a similar space. Again, given i haven't started im wondering what i missing in my thinking
@mathewmann2708
@mathewmann2708 Жыл бұрын
Had a B3 for over 10 years, great saw, only downfall is the power button placement, truly horrific location. B3 is a K3 with a Shaper built in
@federicom2801
@federicom2801 Жыл бұрын
Congrats for the new saw but a SCM SC2 would have been a better buy. Full cast-iron saw assembly for the SCM vs just welded steel for the Hammer.
@tonyjohansson3399
@tonyjohansson3399 7 ай бұрын
Nope, there’s no dado on a scm sc2
@JamisonWorkshop
@JamisonWorkshop Жыл бұрын
I assume the need for the slider out weighed the accuracy of the Incra set up? See anyway to incorporate it into this saw?
@enzoist1
@enzoist1 10 ай бұрын
How long a piece can you actually rip with the crosscut fence installed? IIR, the table length and cut length are different, and I see different numbers citied in different places, e.g. 2000mm, 2050mm, 79".
@matsadler1119
@matsadler1119 8 ай бұрын
Hi Jason! Are you about to share some thoughts after been using the Hammer for some time. 🎉
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