Inside a Sliding Table Saw + Long-Term Review + Upgrades

[@MariusHornberger]

Long break since my last video. I hope you like this one again. BTW, I made a new logo. What do you think about it?

[@thomasloven]

I like that it doesn't look like the ROHS certification symbol ;)

[@thomasloven]

On a more serious note, it's easier to see what this one is. The saw blade was much too small for a youtube thumbnail. It'll be exciting to see how internal gears like that fits into your future projects...

[@jebowlin3879]

12 51/127th of an inch, yeah even us non-metric users don't use those fractions, My goodness! For reference that's just slightly smaller than 25/64ths which I still don't measure things that small in my wood shop, too small for me to see

[@JohnHeisz]

Logotastic :)

[@sdspivey]

@@jebowlin3879 But your finger can still feel a 1/64th difference between 2 lengths.

[@MrPatdeeee]

Oh how I wish all "DIY'rs" on KZbin, would use the tactics that Marius does. He is one of THE greatest instructors around. No waste of time and he "Cut's to the Chase!" and makes it interesting; instead of boring Thank you kind Sir for sharing your innate talents with us. Oh, wie ich mir wünsche, dass alle "Heimwerker" auf KZbin die Taktiken anwenden würden, die Marius macht. Er ist einer der besten Instruktoren überhaupt. Keine Zeitverschwendung und er "Cut's to the Chase!" und macht es interessant; statt langweilig Vielen Dank, lieber Herr, dass Sie Ihre angeborenen Talente mit uns teilen.

[@MariusHornberger]

Thank you really much for your kind words

[@fastbike9845]

An interesting in depth real world review by a guy who has bought the gear with his own money - this is very different to the sponsored channels. I have a bigger brother with the integrated spindle moulder and love the precision and safety these saws provide. I installed a decent ducted dust collection when I purchased the saw and a couple of years later designed and built and automated control system to handle the 2 gates on the saw/moulder, 2 on the planer/thicknesser and the one on the bandsaw. This is one of the best productivity improvements as it allows me to concentrate on the cuts rather than turning the collector on and making sure the correct gate is open.

[@GertrudeGrindhorn]

Hello Marius, I remember when you bought that Felder table saw, and visited the factory, if I'm not mistaken, and helped the Felder designers re-engineer that 'flip-stop' mod..which was rolled out to existing customers, and used in later factory customer builds on your machine type. It seems not very long ago, ha ha. Clearly the Felder machines are first class, as your saw still looks very new. I am very jealous of your lovely table saw..sadly, where I live, the import duties would probably double the cost of a similar machine sent to where I live. I manage with a much lesser table saw...with a lot of mods, but will never approach the precision of a decent factory built tool. Keep up the videos, you are one of the best engineer KZbinrs, and we appreciate your no-nonsense, and very human style of videos..we all make (many!) mistakes which we learn from when doing woodworking, and I love that you include some mistakes on your builds. Many thanks for all the hard work that goes into quality videos that you make.

[@Itslvle]

I got the K3 winner a while ago. My girlfriend was watching your conclusion very carefully if it's a piece of crap. When you said you wouldn't get it again, her eyes narrowed. And then you said the winner was better, and I was relieved. Thank you. :D

[@MariusHornberger]

Haha, should I dig a bit deeper?

[@Itslvle]

@@MariusHornberger I may have a tendency to buy another tool if it's clearly better. "Don't you already have one of those?". Though in my defense, it's usually just a similarly functioning tool, like a random orbit sander vs belt sander or knife grinder vs woodworking large belt sander. You know, completely different and you just need them all, naturally.

[@Mike--K]

Great video, and thank you for the look inside the K3. I wanted the K3 Winner for my shop, but the delivery time was too long. Instead, I bought the Minimax SC2 Classic for about the same price as the Classic from a distributor in Mannheim. The delivery time was one week and the cost included the scoring blade option, delivery, assembly, and commissioning. Your ability to recognize an opportunity and develop a working solution never ceases to amaze me! Your solution for the extension table is wonderful, and I hope Felder is watching and paying attention as it did with your flip stop design. The extension table for the SC2C is similar to your design which makes installing and moving it simple and easy (Einfach ist immer besser 😄) . I attached an Incra LS25 positioner to an extension table to create a point in space for ripping with the slider instead of the fence. I haven't used the fence since.

[@MariusHornberger]

The LS25 positioner for ripping sounds pretty good. I assume you have a bit more space available than me

[@zbynekchmela7778]

I just love your ideas. Double clamp joint mechanism - cool, with magnets - supercool. But placing that support piece just a bit sorter than size of sliding table? Thats bloody brilliant!

[@chillyspoon]

Utterly brilliant cross cut "sled" design, and I love the end cap idea -> I have an aluminum fence on a cross-cut sled that's going to be mod'd that way tomorrow!

[@Nevir202]

It's been a year... Did you do it?

[@LostWhits]

The two lugs on the Arbour are for the braking. I worked for a company that bought a new saw, and then couldn't use any of their existing blades because they didn't have the twin holes.

[@briturner11]

missed this channel so much. I have a Felder K700S in storage waiting for my shop to be built. And this video has got me so excited. Cant wait to make these upgrades to my saw too!

[@AndreaArzensek]

We have had the K3 Winner before replacement with Felder K700 (shorter than S, but the same saw). Felder K700 is completely another level of quality and user experience, but it is quite more expensive. You'll be very pleased, I'm sure. Best regards from Croatia 😊

[@briturner11]

@@AndreaArzensek oh I know it! I've been subbed to yall for a while! watched the original Hammer delivery video a while ago. and the more recent delivery video too! glad it worked out in the end!

[@gregoranda4220]

The endcap zero clearance was mind-blowing. It's so silly easy. Its so brilliant. Im making one for my felder asap

[@MariusHornberger]

Did you know that Felder also offers them for sale (at least for Felder and Format4 saws)? Don't look at their pricing though, that's insane. www.felder-group.com/de-de/shop/splitterzungen-sc123868/splitterzunge-fur-format4-ablanganschlage-sp123870

[@gregoranda4220]

@@MariusHornberger I didn't know that, but i sneaked at their pricing and for that price i can make my own, enough to last me a lifetime, and still have som change left, hehe. But thanks for the tip, and for all you're entertaining and informative videos. Smooth sailings, be safe.

[@martykorn9266]

To acquire all the finer nuances of master woodwork you need passion, patience, a real job to fund woodworking hobby, and probably above average IQ. Which is why we see so many true craftsman these days.

[@chrissscottt]

Marius is such a likeable chap which compliments his extreme cleverness.

[@BassadorWoodworking]

The table saw was impressive enough but that sled was next level. Great work!

[@joecnc3341]

The English expresion: "Don't fix it - if it's not broken". Love the sliding table on that table saw - I wished American made saws came standard with them (they don't. I have a Delta Contractor Table saw as well as an older high end Powermatic 66 table saw.")

[@AnWe79]

I really liked the way you joined the two levers on the extension!

[@AquaPeet]

Great presentation, clever upgrades and it was a blast to watch!! Very professional Marius!

[@PsychoP4t]

Beautiful solution on the modified clamping of the side extension! Excellent video as always. Tyvm

[@perlytkemeyer7693]

Hi Marius, I enjoy your videos and tips to improve the K3 you have. I have a 30 years old B3 winner, the one with spildle moulder. The great thing about you tips are they apply to my machine as well. Thank you for sharing.

[@nils1953]

20:52 Marius flexing that he still owns plastic straws.

[@MariusHornberger]

I get them everywhere I still can ;)

[@daneus]

Marius 'Chuck Norris' Hornberger. Ob das mit den dämlichen Papierröhrchen auch geht ? 0o

[@SkwareniiXazerty]

Glad to see your progress through all these years. It's very inspiring for me as I'm finaly starting woodworking as an aprentice. I wish I would have a workshop like you with all theses good improvements for me to mâle all sorts of thing. Thanks dude, and a kiss from France to Germany !

[@AndreaArzensek]

Because of your first video on K3 my brother and I got the K3 Winner. But we were quite unfortunate - there are 2 videos on my channel. Finally we upgraded to Felder K700 6 months ago (Felder helped us with the budget a bit) and we couldn't be happier now. I'm glad that you're happy with your saw. Best regards from Croatia 😊

[@troykruse5161]

Christmas came early. Marius is back!!!👏👏👏

[@jfl-mw8rp]

Hi Marius, I have the K3 winner and have been using it for 5 years. I agree with everything you pointed out. The Winner fence system is great. I'm going to use your upgrade for the cross cut fence 90 deg. angle stop. That is the weak point of the saw.

[@CutitwithaHammer]

Excellent review, Marius. Your original video on your Hammer was the primary reason why I ended up purchasing one. I went with a 2m B3 Winner, but almost immediately wished I'd gone with a 2.5m slider.

[@schodysek]

Dziękujemy.

[@ReinerMarzinkewitsch]

Best review of the saw I saw on KZbin so far. I am about to buy the K3 Winner (and was considering the Woodpecker as a far more expensive alternative) so I am really grateful for your well thought comments. Thanks a lot!

[@troyqueen9503]

K3 winner is wonderful,no regrets.👍📐🇨🇦

[@mbmurphy777]

That’s a beautiful saw. I have a high-end saw stop, which I think is OK. It doesn’t have the same level of Attachments but it’s a lot cheaper. I do find myself wishing I had a sliding table now and then

[@jonzmgnm]

Logo looks great, but I'm biased with anything 'geared'! Welcome back, Marius.

[@speedrrracer]

Glad to see you making videos again. I love the upgrade to the sliding table handle, and I very much wish to do the same thing to mine. I would love to see a video on how to do that, and I think thousands of K3/C3/B3 owners would immediately follow in your footsteps....

[@MariusHornberger]

Didn't I show that in the video? Buy a flip handle...install the flip handle...done

[@carlostg2472]

@@MariusHornberger where did you buy the folding handle? on the felder website? Do you have the link please Marius?

[@hassanal-mosawi4235]

Thanks for sharing that, I sold my table saw and replace it with a RAS

[@hermanpepper3623]

You do have to spend some time setting the saw up... blade, fence, etc. But once done, the saw is great. Fairly compact which is Nice kzbin.infoUgkxXh-4_3-ZT1fFWP91ZV7iVqzElr0lEb-a I did get an Incra Miter Gauge which takes some setup as well. The stock miter gauge can be adjusted in the miter slot with a little painter's tape... this tightens up the side to side play a lot.

[@wguerra]

Really nice video. I've heard that the end cap was called "zero clearance block". Looking forward to your new fence project.

[@johnhuelsenbeck35]

I'm happy to see that you are happy with your saw. And, I'm even happier that you would have recommended the K3 winner, because that's the one that is supposed to arrive here in November. Wonderful video, as usual. Thanks!

[@jonathanjones6970]

I noticed you adjusted the rip fence to be parallel. If I remember correctly they're set at the factory to toe away from the blade a small amount. I think your change is better. Your slider looks to be level with the cast iron table. Those are also set differently at the factory but I've been considering lowering mine to be flush as well. Did you change yours? Have you run into any issues with the slider being level with the table?

[@MariusHornberger]

When I installed the rip fence I also set it slightly out of parallel. (About 5/100 mm front to back) And I lowered the slider to be flush. This takes a lot of time to get right, but it's worth it. No regrets

[@davidbailey8686]

You can contact your local Felder rep and order the upgraded fence and führungschiene separately as replacement parts, although I imagine it’s expensive. I have the B3 basic and I’m considering upgrading a number of pieces on it but overall I love the saw. I’ll be trying out your upgrades for the crosscut fence, thanks!

[@jimsvideos7201]

That's a very nice table saw. I have no use case for anything like it, but I'm glad they're available.

[@sarahtompkins24]

So many things to say. First of all welcome back we missed you, second off the upgrades are great as always. well thought out, well executed, well filmed. Just what I would expect from you. Keep up the excellent work please.

[@Psychlist1972]

The way you did that zero-clearance end cap was smart. I've been hesitant to drill into my fence. I should just get over that. That end cap is super useful, and the one Felder sells in their shop is stupid expensive, but easily made. Brilliant work on the extension table as well :)

[@AndreaArzensek]

I made that on mine and drilled into fence (alas, hesitant). Once is done, you'll be glad you did that. Well spent time, and using the saw will be a new so much nicer experience. Cheers

[@williamgillette3797]

I used a 16mm dia aluminum rod for the slot in the slider. you can tighten it snug from inside the slot towards the top.

[@DGAWDGAW]

I have a Winner model table saw, and I love your upgrades. Thankyou. I will apply some of them to my saw.

[@hansangb]

Always solving problems. That's what's great about this channel!

[@csimet]

Nice saw setup. Am I the only person who is amazed that these companies continue to place wonky plastic depth/tilt handles on their tools in place of a decent metal set? My vintage 1969 Craftsman has the best handles, solid cast aluminum, even today... 50 years on... solid as a rock.

[@jackdehaan2267]

Always look forward to your most interesting videos.

[@iraydiaz5888]

Good to see you back. Love the content.

[@grahambrown2730]

Love the metric to inches conversion

[@PavelKraus_webdesign]

Marius Hornberger is back! ;-) BRAVO

[@robertcornelius3514]

Good to see you are still at it.

[@StefanGotteswinter]

Sieht im inneren haargenau aus wie unsere alte Felder in der Firma. Unglaublich Robust gebaut, wir sägen seit Jahren damit Aluplatten bis 40mm, ich glaub Holz hat unsere noch nie gesehen :D Motor könnte bei uns gerne doppelt so stark sein.

[@MariusHornberger]

Unkaputtbar, so wie es sein sollte. 40mm Alu ist schon ne Hausnummer, da kann ich mich vorstellen, dass 6kw oder mehr nicht schaden würden

[@tanel.vakker]

I too recently bought a B3 winner based on your reviews. Will implement the end cap first.

[@topcat5988]

Hey!! Your back!! Maybe in one of your videos let’s us know how you have been! Love the show!

[@keithholdsworth4125]

Good to see you back! Its also good to see a young person solve problems in a simple manner, well done.

[@jaypeeters]

Great indept review. Ingenious upgrades to the saw. Well done!

[@robertbamford8266]

“Why did I wait?” All I’ve ever thought of for an answer is that the inconvenience (pain?) just wasn’t enough to prod me into action. 12”+ blade capacity is a great feature. And I love the convenient wrench storage under the sliding table. Thanks for the video. Question: are the two pin holes standard on saw blades (I assume yes, else locked into one source.).

[@MariusHornberger]

No, they're not. But that's something you look out for when buying blades

[@superdau]

For much cheaper levers I have used quick release levers from bicycle seats and wheels. You can get those on aliexpress for a few tens of cents (or for free from old bikes on the scrap yard). Sure they might not be as heavy duty, but they still work well.

[@professortrog7742]

Oh that endcap! I will copy that asap indeed.

[@OlivierGomis]

Dude, that straw tip is GENIUS. Also I always love a good opportunity to shit on the imperial system.

[@julianlech8505]

A built in sliding table would be great to have on table saws in the US. Very good video.

[@Paddington60]

Good stuff Marius, like how you overcame the table extension hassle!

[@MrStrizver]

Hey! Imperial measurements are fun! You get to say more words and more words=smarter!

[@johnlepage9612]

Great video, very informative! Can you please tell me the part number for the folding push handle, I too keep catching mine?!

[@davidclauson5256]

So glad to see a video from you!! Always learn something from what you do. Thanks for sharing.

[@reddcube]

I like that anytime you are annoyed with something, you think about how magnets could solve the problem.

[@justboty2k81]

Schön wieder was von dir zu sehen!

[@SomewhatAbnormal]

I got a Mr. Roger’s Neighborhood vibe when you said, “it’s kinda fun taking this apart…” Anyway, I’m glad you’re still making videos and I appreciate seeing your shop!

[@Farm_fab]

I'm reminded of the British colloquialism, "let's take it to bits."

[@Psychlist1972]

That fence adjust does look annoying. The adjustment on the Felder-brand saws is much nicer, especially if you get the microadjustment add-on. You may be able to buy the fence + rail and, with some drilling, retrofit it. Their current K2 Winner comes with a Felder-style rip fence with the round rail instead of the version you have. Edit: I see you cover the K3 Winner at the end.

[@Hallworks]

I can tell you had fun doing these mods :). I was doing bits and bobs like this to my homemade tablesaw before I went back to university this summer!

[@tluanem]

Hello and thank you for this video. I was happy to find the other two videos on the adjustment system on the other hand I can’t find flip stop, the Fence Knob and the foldable handle on Felder’s website.

[@MariusHornberger]

I think they discontinued the flip stop and the foldable handle is not from Felder. I just bought one that fit

[@thatguythatdoesstuff5899]

@@MariusHornberger hey, could you make a short video about that? I've seen plenty of comments on your video about the new felder flip stop saying their new saw came with the old version. I think it would be really appreciated by people looking to buy the same saw, so they won't be surprised or disappointed when they get it.

[@sanfire00]

Amazing video, Marius, very informative for me, since I have the B3 basic... I like the wooden end cap and the fence rail platform... great ideas!!

[@CerebralOrigami]

Thank you very much for your videos! I love watching you figure things out and how you think things through. On the fence: I'm not sure how you would incorporate it into your saw but I just bought a Dewalt contractor saw that has both a locking lever and a fine adjustment wheel and I really like being able to fine tune the setting. Another thing that would be cool is if you were able to add a way to slide a paper strip on top of or next to your ruler so you could have set points for repeated parts.

[@tec4303]

Would you invest in a saw with a blade stopping mechanism like the saw stop ones?

[@leehaelters6182]

The field for this type of safety feature is beginning to open up. I look forward to when it is available on almost any model. Felder has a system becoming available which sets the standard: non-contact and non-destructive, and instantly resetting. I surely would include it in the purchase if I was spending the bucks for a saw of this caliber.

[@narrowneck123]

This is a great video. Good engineering and presentation. I have just received a Hammer C3 31 and getting to grips with it. Officially the machine does not support cutting slots with a saw blade but I'm sure everyone does it. With a 300mm blade the riving knife/splitter can drop below the top of blade and with the guard removed you can cut a groove. But the splitter can not drop below the top of a 250mm blade. Does everyone file out the slot in the splitter to fix this?

[@endemiller5463]

Oh no...... No outtakes???? Good to see you again. God Bless.

[@gmscott9319]

8:13 "Now where did I put that wrench?" 22:23 "Oh, there it is!"

[@SmokyFrosty]

Its actually a recommended place to keep some tools, I do the same!

[@joostvanputte]

Great vid! Can’t wait for your next videos with more upgrades, I have a couple myself which I will share with you!

[@MariusHornberger]

that would be awesome. Can you E-Mail them to me, since I won't get notified over another answer to this comment ([e-mail])

[@joostvanputte]

@@MariusHornberger will do!

[@bwillan]

Would you be able to retrofit the fence for the K3 winner to your Basic model saw?

[@MariusHornberger]

Theoretically, yes. But I'd rather build my own, that has more features

[@Xlaxsauce]

is there a servicing instructions in the manual? Does it tell you to lube certain parts?

[@MariusHornberger]

I haven't looked at that to be honest

[@shirazsaga-liam4509]

Great video and wonderful ideas. Can’t wait to see your video on finding a solution for the fence system! I have the same problem Thank you

[@tedd1091]

Marius, thank you for another great video. Believe it or not, when I was looking for my table saw and came across your first video on KZbin. I never heard of Hammer but after watching your video I ordered a K3 Winner. It would be great when you make modifications to your Hammer if you would source the nuts, bolts and hardware. I was space limited when I bought my Hammer but I wish I had added the outrigger table - maybe I'll add it later.

[@patrickschroter3003]

Hi Marius, do you plan on releasing the video on the insert plate? I find the standard plate really troublesome when cutting small pieces. Best regards

[@oliver47228]

Hallo Marius, schön wieder Content von dir zu sehen. Kleine, aber wichtige Anmerkung von mir: Du redest relativ zügig, was für uns deutschsprachige Viewer bedeutet, dass es kompliziert wird, wenn es um das Verständnis technischer Inhalte geht. Früher hast du langsamer gesprochen, was ich als sehr angenehm empfand. :-) Alles gute auf deinem weiteren Weg, privat und beruflich !!

[@user-tm8tm6qf2c]

Great Job. Where did you get the adjustable clamps?

[@ixamraxi]

For the fence; would it be possible to drill a small hole in the side of the cam lock, insert a small spring and ball bearing, then drill a detent in the aluminum housing to hold the lever in the middle position?

[@icet7092]

Have you ever gotten around to fixing that rip fence?

[@webchimp]

Regarding that end stop. If you had drilled an undersized hole and cut a slot through it, when you screwed in the insert it would have opened up the slot wedging the insert in place.

[@peacekeeper5119]

Nice video. I like your end cap and think I will also build it. I have installed the pre-saw (Vorritzer) by myself. I received the parts from Felder, but the instructions and some of the parts don’t fit as the machine construction has changed. So be aware when you also want to do it. As I have the K3 Winner, I would rather recommend the B3 Winner. A bit more expensive, but far more opportunities with the router.

[@MariusHornberger]

Good to know, thanks. Probably, when you got the B3 you then want the C3 ;)

[@peacekeeper5119]

@@MariusHornberger No, while the B3 is a K3 with a second motor in the housing, the C3 just has attached an Axx on the housing. So the B3 is really saving space (and money) the C3 is not. If you look for a all in one machine, you need to look at a Felder CF7xx. These models have a better all-in integration, but different price cat. So for a serious wood worker, that builds furnitures or things around the house ( like garden hut, car port etc. ) the B3 is the better selection than the K3.Next level would be KF700.

[@kevgermany]

Love the upgrades. That sliding table looks like a great place for losing tools...

[@MariusHornberger]

actually not, because for a blade change you need to move the table all the way back. So perfect location to store the tools for a blade change

[@kevgermany]

@@MariusHornberger lol, you don't know me. I can spend 20 minutes looking for something I put down a couple of minutes ago. But...

[@0dWHOHWb0]

8:14 And that wrench was never seen or heard from again

[@NavinBetamax]

He would need to get a Flight to DownUnder.....to retrieve it !!! Lol !

[@MariusHornberger]

That is actually the perfect home of the wrench. For a blade change you always have to move the sliding table back and then you have access to the wrench.

[@0dWHOHWb0]

@@MariusHornberger Oh I didn't realize it was actually where it lives

[@AndreaArzensek]

@@MariusHornberger that is possible only on the slider on Hammer saws. I have Felder K700 now and it can't fit there unfortunately. But they made a magnet holder for those on Felder machines.

[@TomTrees]

Juicy review, and nice upgrade with the levers.

[@jmaluccio]

Hi Marius I like your videos on the hammer machine . Would you be able to make a video and explain and show how to remove the sliding table and put it back together? Much appreciated

[@lwilton]

A quick and easy fix for that rip fence handle would be a weak flat spring (or pair of flat springs) that will center the handle when it isn't locked. Not strong enough to kick it out of lock, but just hold it when it is loose.

[@briannelson605]

Never fix a running system. That's some solid advice

[@williamjacobs236]

Another great video Marius .

[@altepost3805]

Sind die Ringe bloss eine Attrappe, oder liesse sich dort eine Oberfräse installieren?

[@MariusHornberger]

Man könnte eine Fräse einbauen. Hatte ich auch mal vor, nur ist es schwer die Bedienelemente für die Fräse/ Lift unterzubringen. Und die Ringe sind eingeklebt, weil von Felder nicht direkt für eine Oberfräse vorgesehen. Also ist möglich aber nicht ganz einfach

[@gotenianiki]

You can put a wing nut for the riving knife so it is faster to move or change.

[@vicweast]

Extremely useful content, thank you!

[@saschavolling7808]

Hi Marius geiles Video schön wieder was von dir zu sehen. Das neue Logo sieht cool aus .

[@Linrox]

Another great video. Hope then next one doesn't take as long. But still looking forward to it. Do you think the manufacturer would be interested in you alterations, they look great. also you should at the diy saw incremental fence by Jer Schmidt. Best i have seen.

[@MariusHornberger]

I don't think they will adapt any of my modifications. My fence idea has a few similarities with Jer's

[@danielbrannigan6532]

Does felder warranty transfer to the new owner of a used machine.

[@docviolaine3315]

Now i am dreaming of a Hammer table saw! Why i got here i dunno. Huwaaaah! Ditch my Powermatic??? Huwaaah!