I spent 10 hours learning Ocelotl to prove he's the most boring hero in For Honor

[@precursoryt]

CHECK OUT 10 HOURS OF VARANGIAN NEXT 👇 kzbin.info/www/bejne/i4vNdpqca6-blbM

[@LeGabrielMan]

You spent 10 hours INSIDE Ocelotl??

[@9895_]

Have you done one of these for Warmother yet?

[@godlymegatron5698]

You were so close with the joke gringo. But you missed it. You could have said Tortilla without filling or frijoles. 😂

[@cs1866]

I personally think that originally Ocelotl was going to be better but at the last moment the developers chickened out thinking that everyone would complain that the character was very strong and they ended up eliminating many things for the final product, something as simple as the whistle of death they eliminated the original sound from the trailer and they gave us a very standard whistle sound

[@precursoryt]

It’s bizarre how similarly basic he is to Medjay

[@welshcrusade1562]

@@precursoryt He is literally Medjay, but without the staff stance. He is half of an already uninteresting, and unfinished character. Well done, Ubi.

[@Jakoni7]

I forced myself to play shugo from the moment ocelotl was revealed in order to develop an Immunity to boredom and thus not be disappointed

[@precursoryt]

Modern problems require modern solutions

[@dontcare537]

literally me ngl, i did 1 shugo rep for the exact same reason

[@Jakoni7]

@@dontcare537 I did 7

[@dontcare537]

@@Jakoni7 im sorry for your brain cells

[@slimlim7651]

Ayo I did the same exact thing. I started maining Shigungoid and have 12 reps so far since ocelotl released and I gotta say Shugoki feels like a counter against ocelotl.

[@maw8533]

"They removed parrying from the game" is the most relatable thing i've ever heard

[@LawbringerEnjoyer]

Truly sad a developer that needs 3 tries to parry a neutral heavy

[@zawarudo8991]

Has it gotten this bad?

[@ClaySanders77]

@@zawarudo8991yeah.

[@Rixhsinner]

😂I swear it’s like my control just doesn’t parry half the things I try to parry

[@Roger2465]

​@@Rixhsinnerthought it was just me

[@rheyshassell585]

Ocelotl is cool looking but his move set is just a less flash version of berserker

[@precursoryt]

Watered down version of a release hero

[@gr1my986]

every new hero plays just like zerk bro lol

[@derbarbarsemml5055]

Yeah it seems lazy to me

[@IsMcLovin]

They definitely should have implemented an attack for him that does bleed damage because it makes sense since his weapons are literally a club and a spear with sharp shards of volcanic glass in them

[@e.b.t9721]

Such a shame about this hero I was expecting a kotal kahn esk hero absolutely brutal and animalistic ripping through his enemies and maybe even an execution where he offers blood to his god or even shaman and pk-esk gameplay maybe when he deals bleed he can jump at you for a bite similar to shaman but he gets something like an offensive stance for highlander for a period of time, or maybe he gets better with more blood offerings etc etc this character could’ve been SO cool but what I got was kotal kahn after shao kahn got him 😭 If you know you know

[@onetrickpony9507]

KK in a wheelchair

[@e.b.t9721]

My man 🤝

[@KORNEWARRIOR]

So fn true

[@big_meech8653]

Reworks and hero fests do exist

[@deaBeidlSchuwida]

Basically Kotal Kahn on Estrogens

[@bc3415]

I don't think I've ever found a FH video that is as creative and entertaining as this, whilst still retaining a factual and critical stance on some of the issue with the game. Earned my like, sick video fam 🙌

[@precursoryt]

🤝

[@drstrangelove307]

Meh, it’s just another generic cynic channel but with a funni British accent. Another dime a dozen on the KZbin algorithm, just for another fighting game this time around. The4thSnake of For Honor

[@bc3415]

@@drstrangelove307 Bro what prompted you to say this, do you just get a kick out of sucking the joy out of a situation? Hating for absolutely no reason bro.

[@LittleSilva422]

@@drstrangelove307 womp womp bozo

[@zhincast2671]

Alright, so weird thing I discovered about the stance is that you can sorta dodge a guard break. It's really weird, and I've only done it a couple of times, but the stance puts you enough distance to stay away from their guard break, but you're still close enough for you to get a guard break after they miss theirs. THIS IS LITERALLY THE ONLY USE HAVE FOUND FOR IT 😂

[@LittleSilva422]

Not denying you but... how tf do you just "See" people guardbreaks coming, you like an oracle?, teach me your ways!

[@Heradd]

@@LittleSilva422 i guess he predicts. If someone is used to guardbreaking after a bash or an unblockable of some kind, it can be a kind os punish without being vulnerable, like for example warden top heavy unblockable, you go for a light or any other attack because you know he is gonna faint to a gb, you can just go to prowlers stance to punish him... But still i guess if you do it way too soon the top heavy is gonna hit you lmaoo

[@SenatorMorbstrong]

Some of us waited 6 years for an Aztec hero and we got this shit.

[@precursoryt]

I have zero faith in the new Viking hero at the end of the year

[@Gheuol]

@@precursorytits a viking we already knows its just going to by a ugly character spamming hyperarmor

[@KORNEWARRIOR]

​@@Gheuol a FEMALE genderlocked hero!!! SMH

[@SoyURU_]

U was in the right hahahaha new Viking bullshit​@@precursoryt

[@thetheater7610]

​@@KORNEWARRIOR trash bruh heavy female makes no sense

[@robotic-race]

His bashes seem odd to dodge and also barely feed revenge for how powerful they are

[@tarnishedsouls7976]

This ☝🏻 I keep getting bash spammed and never get revenge ffs

[@syrp6112]

the shellshock of watching funny sword game video then being hit with flashbacks to space parkour ninja game is wild

[@billthebanuk6212]

I have a decent amount of fun with him Don't get me wrong, I fully acknowledge the problems of lack of bleed and incomplete Prowler Stance, but it's still fun to put people through the blender that is his infinite chain.

[@precursoryt]

He does have his moments

[@ironmaiden93ofangmar]

I agree here. To me, he's super fun with some missing potential. But fun regardless

[@lylith9952]

Remove infinite chain, make it a 3 chain light with 400ms light midchain, and bleed light finishers add undodgable AND unblockable to hunter stance. You can only parry but it would be really easy to parry it for it not being feintable

[@derbarbarsemml5055]

Id say hes fun cause hes easy to play🤷‍♂️

[@eonstar2441]

His hunters stance does bleed

[@thebygoneking]

It’s fun to watch these videos a year later and see how perspectives on the hero change in time. Ocelotl is largely considered one of the strongest duelists in the game, and a solid character in 4s.

[@Siph_XD_]

say on diddy

[@zullie9614]

Damn bro. I've been sober from For Honor for a little more than a year now. Really glad I've finally been able to quit, Pirate quite literally drove any and all enjoyment i might've still had for the game out the window.

[@precursoryt]

Yeah it hasn’t got any better since then

[@MibuInMalibu]

Pirate is absolute dog 💩 now so might aswell pick the game back up. It’s in the best state it’s been in for a very very long time with the dodge attack changes and soon the bash changes should help too.

[@sandervanoirschot1284]

​@@MibuInMalibuHow'd they change the dodge attacks? Haven't really played since year 4

[@carsontyler3203]

@@sandervanoirschot1284dodge attacks count as light parries so you get a heavy off them. Makes punishing dodge attackers more viable.

[@derbarbarsemml5055]

​@@MibuInMalibu how will the bashes be changed?

[@Dwoppin]

Wait, you mean to tell me that they released a hero that feels unfinished and is just a rehashed version of other heros? I definitely didn't see that coming the sixth time in a row

[@WomboCombo125]

“We hear your complaints about ocelot, so we’ve decided to rework another random character to make them the exact same as the rest of the cast.”

[@Sephiroth69]

The amount of editing and how funny yet serious this was, was very suprising yet very entertaining and true. Also the "they removed parrying from the game" was so fucking real. Consider me subbed and liked.

[@precursoryt]

Thanks for the support man, glad you enjoyed the video!

[@Sephiroth69]

​@@precursoryt yw, btw will you do this type of video for varangian guard?

[@precursoryt]

@@Sephiroth69 Yeah buddyyy

[@thepigeonknight9849]

What I would change to make him less boring Increase the distance that the Ocelotyl backsteps into hunter stance, then give him a quick short ranged undodgeable light attack out of hunter stance with his already existing leaping heavy attack and maybe even allow him to use his neutral bash from the stance. And finally I think he should have Valkyrie style shoulder pin deflects dealing bleed damage. The hunting stance giving him some 1v1 utility and the shoulder pin giving him a fun counter attack and making his trashy dodge attack more worth using I think this would make him infinitely more fun to fight and play than he is now.

[@mikeoxlong6410]

Ew Undodgables

[@precursoryt]

Not a bad idea tbf

[@thepigeonknight9849]

@@mikeoxlong6410 ive never heard any one complain about undodgeable attacks in my life 😂 The reason for it is because the best way to interupt most of his chains besides parrying is dodging a bash or light and interrupting with a bash or your own attack if he doesnt throw a zone to trade. In a meta where nearly every single hero has a dodge attack and every one loves spamming them I think all good heros deserve some counter play to punish dodge spammers. Theres a reason why they made the change for most dodge attacks to give a light parry now so spamming is a bigger risk.

[@mikeoxlong6410]

@@thepigeonknight9849 Nah undodgables ruin the flow of the game, I think everyone knows that. Who wants to be forced to fight standing still🥱🥱😴😴. Why do you think people find kyoshin and BP as obnoxious dualists🤔🤔

[@thepigeonknight9849]

@@mikeoxlong6410 bru kyoshin is annoying because of full guard stance and the weeb multi strike spam and people hate bp because of bash spam. You prob hate standing still because your either an Orochi or Shinobi main living off of dodge attack spam. That is the peak definition of boring. And honestly theres nothing more satisfying than slamming a predictable dodge attack spammers face with an undodgeable. I think people need to learn to play the game standing still and make reads instead of being brain dead spammers mashing your own attack button to ignore the enemies attacks.

[@Ruben-no1tb]

The leaping heavy is good for ganking. It's only purpose is to use it while they're acting or can't party/block and it holds them still.

[@Xunnenth]

The only other niche application I've found for the Prowler's Stance is using the Snare to gap-close from across the map. The lunge on it is pretty incredible, making it a solid gank move.

[@duckyduckington9736]

they just need to make the bash unable to be feinted, make hsi back dodge more versatile and give ALL his heavies the mini grab mechanic. Idk something along the lines of being extremely hellish to fight in duels and ganks but to make up for it since he has literally no armor, make him have exactly 4 bars.

[@mericaviking7523]

Just wait till he sees the new Viking hero

[@garretwoeller7669]

Tbh the whole tilt rant is legitimately the most for honor thing I heard and I agree 💯

[@IsMcLovin]

Personally medjay is the most boring hero ever, and tbh I like Ocelotl, yeah his move set is a bit boring and feels unfinished but everything else about him makes up for it, Aztec warrior is way cooler than a Chinese pirate and an Arab woman with a mace and a shield who does cartwheels, also something that wasn’t noted in the video is ocelotls fashion, it is awesome and there is a good few combinations you can do to make him stand out and look good even from low level and I like him more than any of the other outlanders

[@bigbobyboi]

2:12 the Warframe music 🧎‍♂️

[@johnryan3622]

Imagine showing up to a fight with a bunch people who have metal weapons and realizing you have chunks of obsidian jammed in a stick. That’s how it feels to play him.

[@Mindgoblin5]

Funfact: When using his spear to grab an enemy, black prior can flip him over if timed correctly

[@lizando1326]

the only use for the stance that I see is for jumping into an already occupied enemy and pin them while your buddy gets a free opening. Like some sort of ambush

[@tharealchevy]

I think when u parry for knockdown u can get 2 heavys if dont change ur guard direction and attack right away, for gb knockdowns u forsure get 2 heavys but dont cgange guard direction

[@CthulhusHeir]

Pov you main ocelotl: "YOLO!! PIZZA!! GIB ME PIZZA!!! WILLY!!!"

[@iamthisiam]

Oce’s moveset felt like the missing piece of Meji’s second fighting style. Just two incomplete characters.

[@precursoryt]

Wouldn't surprise me if they split the character into two and called it a day

[@wizardswine]

After removing the pin from his foward bash I think he's mostly fine (but tbh that bash is now probably the worst in the game). I would just like hunter's stance to actually have a use. Given what they're about to do to highlander, I personally think he could get his neck slice bash followup from hunter stance and this would be fine.

[@precursoryt]

Looking back on it I think this would make sense. Especially if he had access to his unblockable or another move as well in hunter's stance.

[@wizardswine]

@@precursoryt Yeah same, I think a slower version of his bash follow up would be fine. The range is limited, it's easy to interupt or bounce off and feed revenge. Or just... something.

[@strayadaddy7718]

Good to know I wasted 15k steel lmao

[@precursoryt]

Eh doesn’t matter if you enjoy playing him

[@ISTAINAI]

Thank you for the subtitles 😁

[@damagedskvll]

If he had both deflects and crushing counters, but maybe just not a top gaurd crushing counter to change it up. The heavies couldve caused bleeding and the lights just deal regular damage, which would also affect his prowling stance. Or you only cause bleeding when you hit three moves in a chain or end a chain, but every hit has to land, i dont know im literally brainstorming on the fly and its more creative than what the devs came up with.

[@precursoryt]

Free styling a better hero concept

[@damagedskvll]

​@@precursorytgot to make a part two to this video about how to make him a more fun hero.

[@Tasdanian]

I HEAR THAT SMILES FROM JURAN, MATE!!! Yeaaaahhhhh!!!

[@the_frenchiest_fry6577]

I'm so glad I'm not the only one that will win 2 or 3 games and then get stomped for the next hour, because it shows I'm not insane

[@moonpielion]

He WAS fun in the tester period (can’t remember what it’s called) but now I have as much fun with him as pirate who is my lowest rep at 8

[@dovahgwyn_]

Dude did I just hear JAK X MUSIC??? 0:56 Oh my God…

[@simplycinclair8979]

Naw man, warlord exists to take the title of most boring

[@vincenzopolimeni3561]

So im not the only one who thinks hes underpowered and boring?

[@lore5886]

is that smiles from juran in the outro

[@precursoryt]

Yeaah buddy

[@blackg8r20]

one thing they need to add to the game is selective voice lines, i want to be able to turn off a single heroes voice lines but not everyones, i get so sick of hearing certain characters like female tiandi and ocelotl's ah willy

[@bobisuncanny2760]

8:29 Also this execution is so disgusting.Throwing the "Sword" and finishing with the Spear : *WTF*

[@adrain1162]

what is so wrong with it

[@snakebren]

​@@adrain1162feel is more logic if was the spear he throw and smash it with the stick to dead

[@precursoryt]

I didn’t even think about this but yeah you’re right

[@spectre3893]

@@snakebren thats bc the Aztecas have a lot of variation on their equipment and that kind of spear was not used as a proyectile, it was used for close combat this spear is called Huitzauhhqui and that "sword" is more like a Machete is a Macuahuitl and yes they sometimes threw those things, they were brutal in battle xd

[@serafimb2319]

​@@spectre3893how many of them have you met?

[@dynasty7298]

Bro for honor sydrome couldnt be a better term for playing more than 2 games in a row my goodness. Im using that term from now on becuase of you good sir

[@morkomori9617]

NUH UH! Fr tho I’ve gotten at least nine reps in every character except Zhanhu and Highlander and Warlord is with out a doubt the most boring hero in my opinion, he’s really good but the funnest thing he can do is time undodgable heavy’s from his allblock. However I agree with pretty much everything you said about him not being a good antigank, his prowler stance being lame as hell, and the whole unga bunga play style.

[@precursoryt]

True

[@Shiftermac]

I use the prowler stance to aid allies by using the stance in the background and then stopping an enemies particularly hard hitting move or priming them for an Ally

[@precursoryt]

Probably it’s only use

[@RUGER5264]

Stalking people and spawning behind them is pretty fun tho.

[@MsLeVagabon]

what i think is that BG3 is out and It finally cured me from my for honor addiction

[@wulffberg4018]

i hear you also have had a blast of a childhood with Jak X. love that fucking soundtrack

[@precursoryt]

🍷🗿

[@DrakenhofTemplars]

When you only have fashion on your side

[@Rixhsinner]

Can’t lie I wish his stance had more viability in 1v1 situations, other than that he’s pretty good, I also wish he could inflict bleed landing the second bash, it seems like it should, but doesn’t, it would make so much sense for him to inflict bleed in some manner

[@NeonNobility]

he's easily the least boring Outlander but that's the lowest bar imaginable

[@precursoryt]

True

[@javonmobley4399]

He has a bunch of telegraphed moves that are easy to counter

[@Rez155]

Ocelotl isn't a bad character or a boring character, his stance isn't used for 1v1 situations and his bash isn't used for damage He is probably one of the worst characters in 1v1's yes, but his stance is the most useful ganking tool other than Medjay's bash. It puts you in so much hitstun that a heavy is allows gonna connect. The bash is used for pressure and forcing a dodge so you can throw them on the ground and allow your team mate to secure a hit. He also has NO anti-gank as he's called a 'ganker.'

[@TonyMontana-uv3fo]

So in other words, garbage.

[@gamerhex7335]

You just said he isn't a bad character then listed multiple reasons why he's bad... You're the reason the game is in such a sorry state.

[@Mikel-z2k]

Ocelotl is a amazing 1v1er

[@Rez155]

@@gamerhex7335 I’m saying, don’t complain about a tool used for a job it’s not designed for. If you need a hammer use a hammer, don’t use a screwdriver.

[@holyblade2]

BRO PUT SMILES FROM JURAN AT 2:27, WARFRAME POG

[@eyevan7100]

I'm so glad someone else noticed

[@Slattopus]

He can’t be boring because head bop bash and funny jumping attack

[@klaaus_hd]

The last feat of ocelotle is just the old shinobi range gard break Sorry for bad english

[@lmonster3146]

Hour 3: anyways here’s smiles from Juran

[@O0dZ-x5e]

I’m Having a blast with him. Unlimited combo with three dif finishers whenever you want..others have them but the square added in really makes a difference…maybe just me but I can apply a ton of pressure with his toon and not really with the others. Also yes the weird stance thing is useless tho

[@just_roach3906]

You sound like an even more British professor Snape

[@agentwolfpl4703]

quite literally the safest hero in game for duels,

[@onetrickpony9507]

Can't wait for the new viking! (He will have no identity either being bottom tier after first patch or having a hyperarmor chain with superior attacks)

[@precursoryt]

I ain't gonna sugar coat it

[@chrisstewart1628]

My guy that's a what if sandwich 😂

[@notemo7440]

Ocelotl as an idea definitely has a lot of potential, sad to see the devs make him so bland

[@huntinghunter1001]

Cool video, but holup, is that “Smiles from Juran” in the outro???

[@aersla1731]

The prowler heavy could have just been a dodge forward heavy.. really disappointed but the fashion is neat.

[@maisteratte8107]

I honestly think he is quite fun

[@Aenarion_Godslayer]

I'm a simple man, I hear Jak X's soundtrack, I like, I subcribe, I comment, everything for the algoRYTHM.

[@precursoryt]

🍷🗿

[@Hitokiri293]

Normally i don't agree with precursor....NORMALLY

[@Jakoni7]

U probably have bad opinions, sorry

[@precursoryt]

Be a lot cooler if you did

[@Hitokiri293]

@@Jakoni7 😢

[@Dudedragon69]

@@Jakoni7Loser

[@Dudedragon69]

@@Jakoni7you’re trash

[@edwinmartinez7723]

i've used the prowling stance to dodge pirates bullet, it's pretty good

[@Zulsuu]

as a mexican i have to play the aztec character

[@WorldFullOffLies]

So are we not gonna do something about this cause this character is sick asf man…

[@ethanpoildin8298]

Love the metal get refrence

[@Visigothicc]

He looks more fun to play than BP

[@precursoryt]

True

[@empiyrr2133]

He’s literally axes form medjay with a feintable bash

[@precursoryt]

They thought we wouldn’t notice

[@FullAdDariusBR]

Honestly just needed to be shown on Warrior's Den to figure out I'll never buy this character.

[@precursoryt]

Ubisoft got me on a KOS order probably

[@s4mmyzer030]

The most boring one is still warden and dont act like you dont think that

[@precursoryt]

Can’t complain about the classics

[@thegreatkabukino6639]

Bro I aint gonna lie. I looked you up because some reddit thread was talking about how you and Slanderous are just unhappy players/ are toxic and I just had to see for myself. I knew about Slanderous already and I know he's not toxic at all, but I had to find out about you. So I pop this video on just to see what you're all about and it's 4am in Finland as I'm watching this video. I'm about 2:40 in and the joke you made about the stance this hero enters made me laugh so fucking hard for no reason. Idk maybe I'm just slap happy but buddy you're fucking hilarious, liked and subbed.

[@precursoryt]

I'm just fooling around

[@n1lknarf]

still better than the new one "press fullblock to fullblock"... meanwhile kensei is unplayable, medjay is unplayable, valkyrie is unplayable, centurion is unplayable, pk is unplayable, lawbringer is unplayable, warlord is unplayable... in a game where optimal characters have unblockables, undodgeables, fullblock, s on dodges, buffed horizontal hitboxes and teleport tracking, there's still all those characters missing all of those features playing like a 7 year old character. brother kensei's bash is the only opener and it's so hard to spam :(

[@wheepy2180]

You can flow that back step with a zone that has hyper armor, and you can cancel it easily, but yeah, he's boring to play

[@erickbonilla3680]

Lol it's always a breach match that sets in for honor syndrome 😂

[@precursoryt]

‘Yo let’s do a game of breach guys’ - the beginning of the end

[@GDgabe]

4:22 why are we not talking about this part 😂

[@precursoryt]

The damage dodge attacks have done to player's brains is irreversible

[@kotaguy7]

I’ve been saying this for years. Every new hero is just op with an overly simple moveset, patched together by every advantageous part of every other character, without the punishments. The only catch to the new characters are just the basic ones. Like don’t get guard broke right before a heavy. But the windows for punishments against the new characters are so fuckin small, you can just tell the devs want a character they can go play for a while without putting too much effort into how they made them, or play them.

[@tharealchevy]

I agree about the stance its pretty much completely useless besides timing for ganks id much rather he had a deflect instead

[@welshcrusade1562]

huh. I agree with everything that was said in this video. Right down to the excessive shouting of "willy". That's new.

[@guayayonga655]

The most broken thing about ocelotl is that his lights are extremely fast and his bash dealing 18 dmg is stupid

[@precursoryt]

Aren’t lights supposed to be fast tho

[@taco_man2302]

i wont lie, i have him at rep 9 atm and the only reason why i even bothered playing him was cuz he was aztec and thats basiclly it, im a lawbringer main so this just felt odd

[@ONIGIRIKINGU]

I feel like hes medjay 2.0 but not as braindead as medjay

[@risitaslimmortel9967]

Yeah right this hero honestly sucks. We wait 6 months for a hero now and we get basic chains, unblockables and bashes like damn he has a whole stance for nothing. And im tired of people saying we should be happy with what we get, like come on just up your fucking standards for once. I also like the fact that you're one of the few to say what needs to be said for the game. Most of the FH content creators won't say anything to keep their partnership with Ubi like damn have some self respect my dudes...

[@precursoryt]

I can respect the hustle but they must know Ubi keep putting out garbage

[@FUJIIisCoolAndHawkTuah]

just watching this ocelotl gameplay is making me tired

[@cat_pwner6999]

Don't let him play lawbringer

[@Rock-the-block]

I hate his super fast lights. They’re honesty just stupid

[@tommasoaiello2593]

The worst thing is that For Honor is a very slow game on updates and reworks, so considering this, ocelotl is gonna get changed, if they decide to change it, in a few years and i feel that it’s going to be underwhelming anyway.

[@benstealer7302]

Hes a hunter and not even an assassin, and he doesnt have a blowdart projectile. So much missed opportunity

[@precursoryt]

But for the price of 10,000 steel you can get it for an exe

[@onetrickpony9507]

Sorry, we only have hybrids now.

[@Castout2008]

I just got ocelotl and I have got to say I am extremely disappointed in how lackluster his move set is. It makes me wish there was a refund steel button.

[@jacobward8608]

I think ocelot is the most fun chatter to play lol

[@thediamondcutter9185]

What you were expecting? Another broken easy mode character like Afeera? He's a savage with a spear and a cricket bat, what else he should do? FML.

[@cubical1510]

See after the patch I still end up killing people with the jaguar's tail. also I love ocelotl but i feel utterly useless playing as him like it feels like his hidden stance is more of a nuisance during fights because id accidentally do it and i'd get hit when im trying to block or parry but thats cause i never really played with hidden stances before maybe i should fix my settings even though i got him in rep 12 already. I also think he deserves bleed effect for the pounce and 2nd bash because they're clearly bleeding causing things. also slow down his light a bit but speed his heavy up because it feels like his heavy is slower than shugoki's and not slow as in hard to parry because its unpredictable but slow as in predictable and easily punishable. his lights i do agree with lots of players when they say its too fast

[@precursoryt]

It's a shame cos he's not a million miles away from being a good hero. He just needs a bit more attention

[@killermark_7]

Thank you!!!!

[@Schlitorous]

As a warden main, warden is certainly up there with most boring

[@precursoryt]

Can’t complain about the classics though

[@Schlitorous]

@@precursoryt well, when every new hero they add gets every attack in the book I think you can

[@zvolchen117]

He's been dethroned by Varangian Guard. She's incredibly boring. Her most complicated move is feinting her UB