I Spent 40 hours Learning The Assault class to Understand Why PEOPLE THINK IT'S SO BAD

[@BalancePK]

I appreciate the support on this video please let me know what you guys would like to see next in the one! Any assault players that are open up for discussion on theory crafting builds please join the discord! Check out my most recent ruthless run here > kzbin.info/www/bejne/kGPFl3dpZc9qrsU

[@rikhansen4574]

Great video. The reason Assault gets such a low rating, is its contribution level. Its a viable class, it can have good mob clearing. However when you compare it to the other classes. They contribute more.

[@BalancePK]

I think this is a fair and honest take. Thank you!

[@yaacheese8643]

Agreed bro! I honestly always sigh when I see an assault class. No matter how good you are as a player, a player at your level playing a heavy or tactical just brings way more to the whole squad. Obviously, with an even harder difficulty coming soon, I’m gonna bummed when I get paired up with bad assault players.

[@brachialtick6539]

The real reason is that it's crippled until level 20+ then it gets great. But that's like 10-20 hours of gameplay just for it to be viable. And not really against chaos.

[@chad2687]

People think its bad because it IS bad. everything is relative to the other classes who can do more for less and don't have to be in de middle of a hoard in melee to do it. You played well in your video yet still got into constant trouble bc of how quirky the class is. It being usable on the highest difficulty doesnt mean that its good. You could barely stop that reinforcement call even though you were in the perfect position and played it perfectly, other classes just load one of their dumb things into it and it stops. Using your ability to perfect dodge has no synergy with using fencing weapons ( which you should be using btw this isn't your fault ) and the build only comes online when you are max level and have max level gear. THATS why people say its bad. not bc its not usable or not fun, bc it is. but because you have to heavily invest in something that is very clearly the worst option in the game in terms of how useful you are to the team/ completing the mission. And the grind to get there is just painful, other classes hit their stride MUCH earlier than assault. That being said, good video, I liked the slope movement tip for newer players as thats never explained. To fix the class its needs to do more damage, be able to swing faster, have the campaign/pvp jetpack and have the perks proc on parry instead of dodge. And maybe give it a bit more sustain in some way, maybe a small amount of health on kills.

[@BalancePK]

@@chad2687 I think this is a fair take honestly and you have some really good points. I appreciate the compliments as well! I think for me personally my background comes from playing overwatch and maining doomfist and although he’s not meta/ able to have the most output in damage I find myself enjoying him due to mobility, lore, and high skill ceiling. For me I think that the game has the potential to evolve and new mechanics will be discovered with time and I personally enjoy playing the underdog but idk maybe the lack of good balancing systems playing games like world of Warcraft and overwatch have me in that mindset. I think for me it’s just I like the aesthetic of the class will continue to play it whether it’s good or bad (but agree changes would help I just don’t want it overturned and broken)

[@nekomancer4641]

nailed it man. Plus melee majoris TTK is so low/RNG dependent now. It's basically begging the enemy to give you a response so you can gunstrike them.

[@chad2687]

@@nekomancer4641 Precisely

[@chad2687]

@@BalancePK I feel you. I play alot of paladins ( overwatch but different ) and my mains are considered the worst champions in the game yet I still do well in master rank . I know that tiers can be very subjective, some people like yourself really like the underdog, personally I just want to have the best fit for my playstyle and if that happens to be a bad character ( but not unplayable obv. ) so be it. But I think it would be dishonest of me to recommend these champions to others bc I succeed with them bc I know alot of players wont. Same w assault here, you definitely showed that its viable, and I would love to kill hordes together with you on assault on ruthless... but I would hate to fail bc someone tries this and isnt nearly as aware/good as you are. Yet you're absolutely right, Saber will probably fix the class. I hope they will, on paper it seems like so much fun to fly around in operations. Just wish they would do it in a way that is more akin to the tabletop game where thunderhammers absolutely SMACK elites

[@BalancePK]

@@chad2687 hell yeah I’d be down to play some missions. But I think you’re right it’s not good if a class is bad at all things in terms of balance like I 100% agree that the thunder hammer deserves to be really good at one thing wether it’s wave clear or killing elites.

[@charlesfail8531]

its all worth it for heavy bolt pistol and gunstrike damage boosts

[@0oAngel0fDeatho0]

What is the problem with Assault class is that... it should be heavy melee class. You should be able to use jet pack more often (that is his main point) and to be able to generate armor/health with melee and not with a bolt pistol. He is supposed to be that crazy class that goes in FIRST, attack everything, destroys any semblance of organisation with the enemies, and keep fighting until other squad members come in. Right now he is... well you have to jump around and rely on your gun to gain armor and no way to gain health, also if.. IF you make a misstake in parry/dodge/block... you are as good as dead, as you probably do not have jet pack charge at that time, and you can't really jump over the rails and stuff... All in all, pretty limiting of what he is supposed to be. Can the class be played? Yes. Is it viable in some situations? very much so. Is it what Assoulter is supposed to be? Very much NOT. Saying that... Nice play. You had some serious good moves in the game :)

[@BalancePK]

Honestly solid points across the board. Thank you for the kind words! I appreciate you!

[@GuidingMoonlightdotcom]

I run mostly the same build, minus the last two perks. If you don't use the jump pack dodge, i don't think i saw one in the gameplay, then those are dead perks. They need to give the assault a major damage buff or damage reduction on ranged to be useful in chaos ops. As the ranged eats you up and your sustain being the gun strike armor isn't very helpful when rubric rarely toss an attack you can parry. And/or let it ignore shield status so you can delete the trazagors and punish the dual sword warriors.

[@yuhyuh5012]

When i first seen the class showcased i was like this class is go na suck, its been my main class i wouldve maxed the class out by now if the randoms werent bad and i usually have the most kills or stay alive the longest

[@nikkothomas5581]

Great advice!!! I’ve been trying assault out and using fencing on my weapons is the only thing keeping me alive haha

[@BalancePK]

Hell yeah brother!

[@yarekwojcik4061]

Awesome video! I played assault for a bit using the power fist and I really like the aesthetic of doing the ground pound with it, even if it isnt very good. I loved seeing that charged thunderhammer smash two times in a row, that was satisfying to see. This video has definitely inspired me to work on my assault more :)

[@BalancePK]

This makes me super happy to hear! 💪

[@afrosage2676]

Learned the game to this extent? W guide

[@BalancePK]

Much love

[@KhalainBear]

I'll say this about assault, its flawed for sure but certainly not "bad" or at least not as bad as some have been raving on about, i have had some serious fun playing assault with the hammer, i agree its not what we expected but its still a blast to play

[@simplyyunak3189]

you have good points. I still believe that assault is worst class in PvE. Optimal class composition for any mission is: tactical, sniper and heavy. But all classes can easily clear max difficulty. Some classes need high level to unlock full potential in perk tree.

[@BalancePK]

True and true! Thank you!

[@GJAustin-s4j]

I thoroughly enjoy Assault, it's a gun strike monster. It just suffers against Chaos enemies with all their ranged but truly shines with Ternids and their melee. Just my humble opinion.

[@BalancePK]

And a great opinion brother!

[@makimaki6607]

will say that ive been using the relic tier block hammer. its kinda got me to go for the dodge more which activates some perks

[@BalancePK]

Would love to see some gameplay with it. I tried it out a bit this morning and it feels like the tempo is off but I could be using it incorrectly.

[@makimaki6607]

@BalancePK from my experience as I've tried both, the play style doesn't change too much. with assault starting off with a 50 percent increase to the perfect dodge window I just didn't see a point going too far with parrying

[@jammom96]

I want a real Thunder Hammer! Excellent video!!!!

[@Julez60]

S tier class in terms of pure fun 💪

[@BalancePK]

@@Julez60 s tier comment

[@damonnygren7522]

Keep it up great video.

[@BalancePK]

@@damonnygren7522 thank you!!!

[@neoaxel94]

I dont find the use of a power fist it is pretty bad

[@joshhobson2340]

only heretics need fencing. be a man get that 12+ bonk stick.

[@BalancePK]

@@joshhobson2340 lmao don’t temp me with a good time I’ll test this out tomorrow.

[@simplyyunak3189]

the biggest problem is the low melee damage all melee weapons do. right now if you want to be in melee range: just use a class with melta rifle. it out dps any melee attack

[@BalancePK]

Big true honestly. I tried out heavy a bit and the healing/dmg output is pretty wild.

[@floatingPredrifts]

What controller do u use

[@BalancePK]

on mouse and keyboard.

[@windwalker3081]

But why run assualt when vanguard does everything better?

[@BalancePK]

because we have the big bonk stick duh! lol!

[@Julez60]

Because having fun is the point

[@Mkable01]

I just started playing it today and it’s so goddamn effective…at level 3 leading pve in kills

[@BalancePK]

@@Mkable01 let’s go!

[@chad2687]

Spoken like someone who hasn't seen ruthless yet and how much more adept the other classes are w dealing w it

[@Mkable01]

@@chad2687 you need to change your name…I’m playing ruthless at level 15 assault

[@chad2687]

@@Mkable01 I do too but just bc u can doesn't mean its "goddamn effective". tactical scan takes that cake

[@darthode]

Don’t matter how you dress it up, Shyt is still Shyt. If I’m running Ruthless I don’t play with Assault teammates

[@robtype0]

It's so frustrating - I'm a good assault player, don't really get downed and always support my teammates to protect them from dangerous melee units, interrupt reinforcement calls etc. But, even when I have an incredible run and spend the whole mission in combat killing constantly, my overall damage stats get dumpstered by heavies, tactical and melta vanguards. Melee just doesn't do enough. I don't blame people for not wanting an assault on their team on ruthless.

[@darthode]

@@robtype0 yeah I’m not knocking the player just the class, I honestly wonder what the purpose of Assault is when Bulwark is just a better version

[@MrAgentG]

The design of the class is just flawed and not fun to play. I wanna jump in and meele shit and jump in and dodge only to gun strike....

[@meejmuas8686]

It's fun as hell. The finishers are so satisfying

[@Sereaph]

But gunstrikes are so satisfying! And you still get to jump in and wreck shit in melee, you just can't ungabunga your way through it

[@thecheckeredfish_5225]

"Assault is the worst class in the game" Skill issue tbh

[@Talonzor]

It is though, what class is worse?

[@joshhobson2340]

@@Talonzor Its definitely not. My assault build is by far the biggest killer of Majoris and Extremis enemies in my group. The only thing it lacks is Health sustain or damage reduction from melee enemies.

[@chad2687]

@@joshhobson2340 You didn't answer his question. what class is worse than assault rn?

[@Mubiki]

​@@joshhobson2340 Your friends having bad builds on their classes doesn't mean assault is good, it just means your friend are worse. Lol

[@brachialtick6539]

​@@joshhobson2340 Just because it's good doesn't mean it's not the worst. And it ONLY gets good when you get to FUCKING LEVEL 23

[@Paydirt90847]

Small thing, but kills are meaningless, Damage is the "top frag" counter in a horde game You can get top kills by pilfering kills and executions off any other class, but if you have the most kills and least damage, you still contributed the least. Damage is everything

[@BalancePK]

@@Paydirt90847 I think that’s a fair take honestly. I don’t disagree. I think for me I do enjoy executing enemies and/or having the mobilities to clean up kills. Like example genjis dash reset in overwatch you may not be doing too overall damage but securing kills does provide some value I like to think but I see the logic from your perspective.

[@Mubiki]

This is actually an L take, because this game counts overkill damage. This is partially why melta weapons and Las Snipers can dominate damage charts. This can be easily observed once you realize what's happening. I can do solo ruthless runs on my bulwark and fishing with 300ish kills and I do like 15k damage total. I do the same run on heavy, same boss, very similar kill numbers, and I'm doing like 30k ranged damage. The bot numbers are almost identical, so where did all the extra damage come from? It's overkill damage. You are getting credit for functionally useless damage. So no, damage is NOT the way to measure anything in this game until they fix that. This is also likely the same mechanism that is contributing to the ability to overheal your contested health.

[@Paydirt90847]

@@BalancePK Thats totally fair yeah, tbh so long as someone is contributing kills or damage dont really matter all that much regardless. This vid has been helpful btw, started my Assault run last night an though starting off felt a bit rough, it got easier very quickly. Not sold on the Powerfist though as the range is poopy, but thats just another thing to adjust to. The Relic tier one looks pretty nuts tho, real fast fencing version with good damage output

[@Paydirt90847]

@@Mubiki Its a fallacy, damage is damage, if there is overspill an its counted, its still applied damage, or at least a large portion of it. I regularly out-damage heavies with Melta with the Stalker Boltrifle, so its kinda moot a point, fast hands on target pretty much always = more damage, overkill or not

[@Mubiki]

@@Paydirt90847 Yeah, that is just wildly incorrect. I just pointed out that you can easily get 15k worth of damage that literally does NOTHING to help the team or make anything die faster. Those high numbers are caused by AOEing into groups that contain a lot of minoris enemies and getting credit for damage anywhere from 2 to 3X their actual health pool. It is entirely worthless damage. If you are out damaging melta classes, it is because they are bad, not because you are good. You will NEVER out damage a melta class with equal skill because of the insane amount of overkill damage. You are free to be wrong of course, I just want anyone else who reads this to understand that total damage is a piss poor way of determining value until they fix it. "Damage is damage" lol In this context, that is like needing a cup of water, pouring two cups into the container and then pretending like the water that spilled is just as useful as the water in the container. Sorry...but no. This is like grade school level logic here. I'm honestly surprised you could even deny this with a straight face.