I think Citlali is a better "Archon" than Mavuika. [Gushing over Magical Granny]

[@Solunerra]

(WARNING: reading required below, tread carefully) Edit: I decided to not include a section in this video talking about how it doesn't matter that Citlali doesn't give Cryo res shred, because I wanted this video to focus on what Citlali DOES enable, not a disconnected argument about what Genshin needs in general to make Cryo more relevant to use. Maybe I shouldve made that video instead. Cryo off-field/supports is a fairly separate conversation than what on-field Cryo DPS units need. Citlali DOES make using Cryo off-field FAR more relevant than it was before. You can read through my replies to other comments if you want more of my perspective on that. Imo, if you want more options for buffing Cryo on fielders, you should be more upset about how Mavuika/PMC/Xilonen couldve been designed in ways to uniquely incentivize Cryo on fielders. Citlali having 20% cryo res shred wouldve changed little to nothing for on field Cryo DPS teams (and no, she never had that in beta, that is some weird misinfo apparently floating around, the only thing that changed is her burst dmg was nerfed slightly in beta). Original comment below: Alternative title: Gushing over Magical Grannies? I give you all permission to call me wet cardboard for insulting Mavuika like that lol. I do enjoy Mav's kit btw, but she mostly feels like a very strong Pyro DPS, whereas Citlali is something new. And my preference for characters in Genshin, particularly Archons, is that they be something new in the game, not just a goofy ah ah motocycle with Xiangling sidegrade potential. I can like Mav's kit while also feeling let down with the potential she could've had, basically. But Citlali's kit is archon enough for me that I am happy with the situation, ultimately. Also, I cut out talking about Kaeya C6 because imo it basically is vaporware (doesn't really exist). If you started playing Genshin today you could easier plan to get C6 Citlali before getting C6 Kaeya if you so desired (assuming Citlali reruns more than one time in 3 years), and it is utter nonsense that a C6 limited unit could be a point of comparison to C6 Kaeya by time taken to acquire. I've been playing for 3 years and it is going to take me another year and a half to get his C6 so it just is not relevant to talk about, even IF it has interesting value in being the fastest cryo application in the game. It is absolute stupid design that even if you play the game for 3 years you are punished for not magically knowing you should try to get copies with starglitter when you are brand new and know nothing for how to decide to spend your very limited resources (and remember starglitter is very valuable early on, and valuable as a f2p always). So yeah, imo C6 Kaeya should be treated as non-existent in the conversation about off-field Cryo in the game. C0 Citlali replaces his most relevant place to be used anyways (solo Cryo melt with Arle), just by slightly changing the timing on how you attack enemies. But it would be nice if it was easier to acquire so you could consider Citlali + Kaeya C6.

[@salceds]

"goofy ah ah" should be on aave struggles

[@deedeesga34]

@@salcedsyea idk what he was thinking when he typed that 😭

[@aquachrist]

Why would I call you wet cardboard, that's Mavuika

[@zamlikes2draw]

Citlali is amazin i wish that title was the real one

[@shimmering_starlights]

Not to flex or anything but my account luck is overall average except for the fact that I started playing in 3.7 and I have C6 Kaeya..not from the paimon shop or the chronicled banner but all from the standard banner..6 copies!...It's really crazy to me...I've never gotten any other starter char con but Kaeya 😌 Good thing is I actually do like playing him..Him & rosaria were my only built cryo until today when Citlali came home 🥰

[@DesdemonaLi]

Citlali only makes the rich richer. Pyro hydro were already strong elements, she doesn't do anything for cryo.

[@hitagi9558]

What can she do for cryo to begin with? Elemental shred? Damage bonus? All of those already exist in the game. Cryo units are just out dated and poorly designed, no amount of premium units will save Ayaka from non-freezable content for example. They just need to release better dps for the element and watch how everyone's perception will change.

[@salceds]

Hold Scroll

[@DesdemonaLi]

@@hitagi9558 soluna erroneously wrote in thumbnail "she makes cryo relevant again" that's a straight up lie, melt was always a popular reaction. Citlali didn't create a resurgence for cryo related reactions, not when compared to something like Ororon where he buffed electrocharge which was actually unique, or how Emilie brought life to burning.

[@kunalkorag]

Same with xilonen

[@hitagi9558]

@@DesdemonaLi Melt was popular only for doing reverse melt, for characters like Ganyu and Wrio. Forward melt was never this accessible because you have to at least have 2 cryo unit in the party or pray you get C6 Kaeya to reliably apply Cryo. Even then, non of them provided her level of buffing and utility. Citlali does make Cryo relevant because now we have a usable, strong and meta cryo unit. That will fit top meta teams, that's literally all it takes to make an element relevant. Geo is d*gshit before and was considered the worse element, now people are all in agreement that Cryo is worse. Simply because Xilonen exists and she doesn't do anything for Geo units unless you whale for her.

[@mr.parker8014]

0:29 THIS is what I've been saying, citlali actually changes an account and makes new teams. Mavuika just does the natlan flavor of melt and vape while still being built around bennet

[@justadragonnamemarcus1751]

Xilonen have archons like constellation Her C2 is so good

[@dmndxdave]

bro you saved me so many pulls with the sacfrag discussion in the other citlali video, i love that playstyle WAY more than how i would use her with her sig

[@alexsjarif]

I honestly hoped mavuika would’ve been a bennet replacement

[@iluvfurina2]

Nty maybe some atk buffing implemented into her kit but honestly I prefer the one we have now

[@midoi8161]

3:25 Raiden is not an on field dps, you can make her a dps for sure especially at c2, but at the end of the day she's a supportive sub dps. basically bringing her replaces any energy recharge you're missing ( or any at all, you really dont need energy recharge when she exists) and she's supposed to be used at the tail end of a rotation so everyone can be ready to burst again after. she also buffs everyone burst dmg% so she has a very supportive kit, people just saw booba sword and said "i wanna smack people with that" she's also good for constantly electro application if you need it. so I'd say Raiden is a pretty good archon level unit. it's just so happens that she buffs herself in the process making her do nice dmg. mavuika on the other hand i understand

[@8oito264]

Raiden does not negate the need for ER, if you take her out of the teams she is bursting in and put another support there that is able to quick swap, you'd be able to use skills in the other characters and catch particles with them. As an example, compare ER need in Rational with sucrose national, it is extremely similar so she isn't really an energy cheat code, she is just a driver option for most of her best teams (obviously pre C2 because she becomes better as a carry by then)

[@midoi8161]

@@8oito264 look at it realistically, no player that genuinely just wants to play for fun is going to look into particle catching mechanics, that's just something we find out as things go from youtubers and such, and even after we learn it most don't wanna be bothered with it so they just stack up on er anyway. archons are supposed to make things easier, venti crowd control, Zhongli defensiveness, Raiden energy recharge, Nahida EM, Furina everything that exists, and idk about Mavuika I guess dmg. Raiden removes the need (maybe not all need, that was a bit extreme to say i admit), but alot of er requirements. she is a cheat, I can supercharge my 116% er Eula with my Raiden simply because I have a lot of er on Raiden, and everyone will have a lot of er on Raiden because she scales on er. sure she can't go on every comp, but you can use her as a battery pack very easily and I think anyone who can move requirements for most people down is a good archon level kit. with the additional benifit that she smacks people so hard that it one shots most enemies

[@lucasayabe]

@@midoi8161 it would be correct except she has the highest cost burst in the game and want to be played in teams with high cost bursts to build resolve stacks, so Raiden teams usually feel more the lack of ER than the others and you are forced to use fav in some of the characters to help anyways. She only reduces team ER requirements if she's the carry of the team otherwise she's dps loss that extends rotation duration if you use her burst as battery. Raiden ER refund is nowhere close to what Zhongli shield do or Venti in his golden times, she doesn't trivialize ER just help with it to the point most of the time Fischil is very competitive with her to reduce ER requirements.

[@midoi8161]

@@lucasayabe her having a high burst cost really dosent matter when she wants over 200 er. there comes a point when its just a build issue. but ngl I forgot about the resolve stacks, but that only effects her dmg output no? I dont think that effects the energy recharge, the base is always 2.5 energy and her energy restoration comes from her talents with is every 1% er over 100% = .6 greater energy restoration. so if we're talking battery it should not be an issue. As for the resolve stacks that only effect her burst dmg and her little lightning attacks after, and while having a high burst costs does help with her burst dmg buff even a 60 cost one will get about a 18% increase which isnt a insignificant increase especially since it's a separate multiplier than most available bonuses so it scales high. so while I do agree it's not as impactful as someone like Zhongli I feel like she still has an archon level of support. only person she would not buff is mavuika ironically. also isnt fav one of her best weapons in general? I don't see that as a downside. even if it's ran on other characters as long as the dps doesn't gotta use it I think it's fine. but in most cases if you just give her Favonius you shouldn't need other people to carry it. like you gotta be really thirsting for energy if you need a raiden holding favonius and another character holding favonious thats a whole other problem in itself. I don't even thng thats possible.

[@8oito264]

@@midoi8161 Tbf Mavuika makes things easier by one shotting everything but i pretty much agree with you except for raiden one shotting enemies, maybe in overworld against some fuckass enemies but not in abyss for sure, sometimes i forget that most players can't be bothered to catch particles as it is kinda second nature for the people i talk to/watch that play this game

[@NuggetForLife28]

I pulled C0R1 Citlali for my C1R1 Hu Tao on my second account, and I have more than doubled my dps from my 4-star team. It changes the rotation a bit, but doing a massive melt with my burst in the start and then vaping my charged attacks with XQ is actually crazy, and with just two 5 stars I can clear domains at almost the same rate as my main account. In this case I find her weapon really good, since TTDS wouldn't make my rotations possible, and the 28% damage bonus is certainly better than ATK% bonus on Hu Tao specifically.

[@pyronado4320]

I don't think she's that good Pyro can still overtake as aura in some teams. The buffs are strong but if they release a better applicator with less buffing then even that might be better than her because you still have xilonen and kazuha IF, that is, a big IF

[@finleyy]

3:05 this is not the main point of your video but I wanted to comment on it anyways lol. I think Raiden's kit was pretty archon level at that time of the game. there were a lot of energy hungry teams and units which relied on burst damage, and she spurred many new national/rational team comps. Her support usage was huge back then! like Venti, I think her utility has just changed a lot as the state of the game changes-- she's more useful as on-field dps nowadays with the introduction of dendro, and also as the most powerful units move to being skill-focused rather than burst-focused

[@gabriellejuliette]

11:43 I’d watch a DPS Chevy video! Love watching the different unorthodox ways people can use characters 💖

[@Hussien.Eldsoki]

I wish I'd used my wishes on Citlali instead of Maviuka! My C0 Citlali is awesome.

[@lazarus3536]

If your already at C1 on her, I highly recommend getting her C2. It's busted for some of the teams your thinking of, my Arle for example is hitting 500k-600k hits

[@grommy511]

I used Citlali with Ayato and Furina, cleared abyss 1st half 1st chamber in 90sec. Considering how demanding is current abyss with the dps check i think she is good hydro support.

[@Laddle]

I pulled Citlali C1 as a welkin player, I have no regrets

[@pandemmonium]

same! lots of people triggered their first capturing radiance and that’s how i got my c1.

[@Honed-]

her c2 is a huge power spike too btw, and then her c3 is also really good by making her shield much more useable in abyss.

[@luminous3558]

@@Honed- dont go c3 unless you go c6. Getting like 500 more shield isnt worth that amount of money.

[@Guttins]

What does her c1 do? Is it that good?

[@pandemmonium]

@@Guttins adds a flat buff that extends past pyro and hydro, pretty sure.

[@RieMUisthegoaT]

I kinda agree that she saved cryo but not really, she kinda feels like when Navia released and she saved Geo. Except Geo's identity was mono element and non reactions so she feels like a fake Geo unit. Nonetheless she's currently the best cryo unit so on average it elevated cryo as an element (that's if you ranked every cryo unit and got the avg for these ranking) but the element is still cooked

[@mustafachhawniwala297]

yeah but being a "fake geo unit" is what saved her ass from being irrelevant

[@Bruh-qy1zq]

I really liked this video! I agree with your perspective on Citlali and I mostly only pulled for her because I love her personality and her reading hobby reminds me of myself. I'm excited for your DPS Citlali & DPS Chevreuse vids

[@tatotato85]

I wish the info were more condensed, like id like to hear your thoughts that are relevant to the video title you didnt got there on the first minutes and i just dont have 30 mins for this.

[@aviat2948]

One thing on citlali with mualani You can use citlali as a replacement for xilonen if you use burning, its not an upgrade, but I like not having to relay on xilonen for being able to use mualani

[@hannibal_lecter]

soluna is usually such a good reference but this video is so misleading. citlali did not make cryo relevant again. the element still struggles to have a place in meta because of not having the right supports and the DPSes out there aren't outstanding. citlali doesn't mitigate either of these weaknesses.

[@TOTGodofWar]

Ayaka with Mistsplitter at C0 is still good to this day. I did recently pick up Citlali and I could tell the performance improvement. Yes Shenhe is still great for Ayaka, but look how long it took for her to get a rerun.

[@watoyatoauto8526]

I dont think he said Citlali made cryo characters relevant again at all though

[@primalaspie]

​@@watoyatoauto8526the thumbnail.

[@watoyatoauto8526]

​@@primalaspie the thumbnail just seems bait, but nowhere in the video did he say that

[@Solunerra]

Citlali is literally a far far more compelling Cryo support than we have ever gotten before. Like shes does enough to actually consider using Cryo to support other things going on in the team. Her existence means we have reason to do something other than just Vaporize as the default for Pyro units in the vast majority of cases now, and that is awesome. The very fact that people can use Citilali in a bunch of different teams when needing to use Hydro for your Pyro DPS always before is evidence of this. If she didnt mitigate the issues the weaknesses you being up we wouldnt even see people play her with Mavuika, let alone other pyro dps units. No, she isnt groundbreakingly strong to a degree where she completely makes doing vaporize irrelevant. It wouldve been a bit imbalanced to do something like double the rate of her cryo application and nearly invalidate any reason to do Vaporize teams. Is that what you need to consider doing Melt? My point here is that if you think Citlali doesnt mitigate many issues with Cryo supports, why? Where is the line in your mind that is required for an off field Cryo support/buffer/defensive unit to give reasons to consider using melt? Do you feel C2 needed to be in base kit? Like thats only a small amount more buffing on paper, but in practice makes her significant powercreep over Kazuha for Pyro/Hydro, probably the two most relevant elements Kazuha buffs. We needed more compelling reasons to consider doing something like Melt Amber without it being extremely clunky or difficult to pull off. She literally addresses most of the issues with cryo supports (no she doesnt buff other cryos as much, she doesn’t need to, other Cryos need things other than off field Cryo to help buff them). Yes Id like more ways to buff other Cryos, imo they had a missed opportunity with Xilos release there. Citlali didnt need to buff other cryos to give reasons to use Cryo again

[@SRMC23]

Granny is great on a melt/freeze/vape team but it feels like Archons were always locked into a specific role so that's why she feels more supportive than Mavuika. Venti was the mob grouping Archon, Zhongli was the Shielding Archon, Raiden was the ER Archon, Nahida was the EM Archon and Furina was the Healer Archon, what else was there for Mavuika in that case if not being the DPS Archon? the Tsaritsa will probably have to be something like the Crit Archon seeing that Hoyo doesn't want to fix Cryo being bad at everything that is not Melt due to Freeze being too powerfull of a mechanic and Superconduct boosting a type of damage that they have never even cared to work around(Physical).

[@oldstories54]

Re:Citlali's voice lines, my favorite has to be "About Kamisato Ayaka". When I first saw it I just stared at it for a couple seconds in utter bewilderment as to why she had it until I listened to it and it was hilarious. I got this character on accident while trying to get Diona (yes Diona; she's one of the only 4 stars I don't have and I'm a completionist. Didn't get her btw) and I went from not really caring for her at all to her being one of my faves, gameplay and personality are a slam dunk for me

[@joeangleson]

Bruh Citlali doesn't make cryo relevant again, she might be a good unit for certain use cases but that's just her, not her element not her contributions to her element. They even deliberately removed her cryo shred from her kit during beta Lol. This is some weird ass shilling shit, soluna

[@Solunerra]

She never had cryo res shred in beta, that is literally misinformation, and that doesnt really matter. We dont need more cryo off fielders for Cryo on field DPS units to be stronger, we want buffs that could uniquely give reasons to use Cryo over other elememt options in the game. Citlali does enough to actually consider using cryo reactions to for compelling utility

[@MarcosSilva-bl6vu]

I think you're referring to cryo dmg bonus being removed from her c6, increasing citlali's dmg directly instead of the element

[@Unbound_Shadow]

I love Citlali's personality and design, I just wish she did more for my account. I don't have Zhongli, so I was hoping she'd finally be a powerful shielder that could keep my Huotao alive, but her shields so far have just been way too brittle to keep her alive in a fight. I want to get a better team for Citlali so I can justify running her, but I'm currently torn on the best/most fun way to do that. I'm at 50/50, 70 pity, and have been debating on if I should go for C1 Citlali, pull for Mauvika, or wait to try and grab Furina on her next rerun.

[@bonsaix]

Mavuika being the "dps archon" essentially, kinda makes sense since pyro is the element of power. I think if she was just a support it would feel kinda strange.

[@Meese12]

How about, to fit with the theme of "fighting with her friends", a strong pyro onfielder that builds up a teamwide atk% buff by onfielding? I think that would be a very appropriate way to incorporate archon-like design elements into a dps unit and it isn't incredibly greedy and deprived.

[@lxlYukilxl]

@@Meese12 but she does have that with her dmg% passive and const

[@Meese12]

@@lxlYukilxl her passive is a single target dmg% buff that is lost by onfielding her and i dont care about her constellations

[@Solunerra]

She couldve been balanced slightly differently in order to do more of both roles that she already can do in her base kit. Im not saying she should’ve completely been redesigned to be pyro Furina or anything

[@Meese12]

@@lxlYukilxl she doesnt have that, she has a single target dmg% passive and half the roster has teamwide buffs in their cons, im talking about c0.

[@lucasayabe]

I agree that its a fair conclusion given the criteria, but when this only applies to 2 from the 6 archons we had until now, i think that is a bad criteria to apply, i prefer take a more holistic approach, for example with Mavuika being similar to Raiden, we actually have 3 groups of archons until now (which makes me wonder what they will do to Tsarisa). Venti + Zhongli didn't add much for team building or inovative mechanics but they are the best of their category, if you need them, they are good, if you not, they're shit. Raiden + Mavuika makes up the DPS archon design, of being hybrid between off-field and on-field with support addons. Nahida + Furina makes up the support category, they represent an archetype in itself due to emboding the region-locked mechanics of their region, and really excel in what you need of an full support archon kit that is cracked utility + good elemental app. And if you group archons like this, you can see that Mavuika actually checks a lot of archon design decisions in her kit. The Raiden type of archon, but mixed with the Nahida type of archon, where she is the highest expression of her region gimmick mechanic of being the better representation of what the nightsoul mechanic is with the themes of the region, her pyro app is good, her utility isn't negligeable (like 60% damage bonus of scroll set + her burst is quite good is almost as good as Furina C0 but backwards), also she has a stack mechanic (which is half of the archons until now), and is a good jack of all trades for teams that need her element. On other hand Citlali is just a good support, i think she go to the Kazuha, Xianyun, Xilonen group. Also i think Mavuika makes cryo relevant again as much as Citlali, because melt teams weren't really a thing outside Gaming and weird C6 Kaeya Arlecchino. With Mavuika since she only need to melt her first hit to gain value of melt already, suddenly pratically every cryo unit that isn't physical focused became viable with her.

[@Solunerra]

Imo this criteria applied to Venti on release, they just decided to release Kazuha less than a year later and to make sure he had very few situations his unique burst makes sense. Zhongli being a universal support/defensive unit is still relevant today. But yeah, I ultimately brought up Nahida and Furina because those were the two archon releases I experienced the before and after of while playing. My perception of an archon kit in the last couple years was heavily skewed by them, but theres nothing that says an archon cant have a kit that is on field DPS focused like Mav.

[@lucasayabe]

@Solunerra to be fair with Venti even though they countered him hard, today most of the enemies are sucked by his black hole.again its just that only VV + CC isn't that useful anymore, people prefer the buff + debuff combo that Kazuha offers even if with weaker CC. But yeah, i understand what make you arguee that, this is why i said that was a fair statement, but i wanted to show that given that the archon roster is 6 characters taking just the last 2 don't really reflect the "archon design" since you can see that they have a bunch os aspects that are consistent over "archon design" and when you see the whole, Mavuika actually ticks a lot of boxes of "archon design". But only taking Furina and Nahida in count, i would agree with you even tough i personally find Furina and Mavuika very close in terms of kit design, its just that in Furina case sub-dps and buffs is all that she has to offer, and Mavuika can offer a good on field damage too.

[@doomdxd2]

She definitely doesn't fix cryo. She ignores her element's weaknesses instead of fixing them. I do think she might add some value to other cryo off fielders due to how well she supports forward melt. The cr buffs from Rosaria and em buffs from Diona seem a lot more valuable now that there's a proper 5 star melt support.

[@lowryder259]

I'd love to see some examples of Citlali's Dendro teams in action, because everything I tried just didn't feel as good as replacing her with another Dendro/Hydro character in the team. I wanna believe the potential is there, I've just struggled to make it work myself and hope the great Soluna can come to the rescue!!

[@jcplays1749]

I don't think your take on Mavuika is really all that fair. Don't take this wrongly, I was dissapointed in her kit aswell. But now that people are getting her and actually testing her, me included, she may not be outright a Xiangling powercreep, but she do replace her in some teams and make the teams even more powerful. She is currently part of Kinichi's and Mualani's best teams, imo Chasca aswell but this is debatable and depends on how you like to play. Not to say that she also works with Neuvillette, Clorinde, and even Arlecchino for overload even though this in theory would not be her BEST best team. And the list goes on. Xiangling didn't lose her value but Mavuika provides value in a different manner that can replace Xiangling in lots of teams. She as a sub-DPS and support is actually really good, the only thing is that most people, me included see her as sub-DPS or support as a waste of her potential and the teams would end up doing less damage than main DPS Mavuika. She may not be a ultra game changer that enter in all teams and works with everyone and everything. But she does give a bit more versatility to older and newer teams and is a plus for many of them. Again, I think she could be way more, everyone wanted her to be a powercreep to Bennet and Xiangling. This is literally the one time gacha players wanted a powercreep badly and would not get mad at it, they had all the reasons and support to do it, instead they made a Xiangling that is better in some scenarios but worse in others.

[@luminous3558]

Yeah it comes down to the fact that people dislike her outdamaging everyone else while also being a support thats very good.

[@zoot_yam]

can confirm pyro traveler and citlali work amazingly together. i say that because usually i have the issue of too much pyro being applied since i use kazuha to swirl pyro off of bennets burst, but citlali's application and the timing all works if you go bennet, kazuha, citlali skill and burst, pyro traveler burst. BIG MELT. I was so happy the first time i hit 400k with traveler burst no potion no food buff. idk about abyss tho. pyro traveler is a little energy hungry. running kazuha with xiphos and bennet with favonius is helpful but even then there are still some struggles meeting the wnergy demand.

[@vladdy8]

Citlali made me appreciate cryo characters more (not looking at you, c3 qiqi) and I'll definitely try and go for her c1-2 in the future, cause im currently saving my pulls for Shenhe, dunno if i'll use her, but she's been one of my favourites for years. Regarding Citlali, playing melt Arle is so damn strong, i can't believe it lmao

[@malvoleus]

While I also was more interested in Citlali I was put off by the lack of cryo buffing as I still enjoy Ayaka freeze & Wrio melt. Yes Citlali would buff the hydro & pyro in those teams but the on field unit gets nothing apart from some shielding. Unless I'm missing something which is possible, but I'll skip this phase & take more time to evaluate whether I want/need either character. I'd much rather have a Chino than a Mav anyway so that's where my primos are going for this patch.

[@seb_aguilera]

I mean it does give you a Natlan character to use in those teams so they can get the Scroll buff and a catalyst for TToDS

[@Bom9781]

What the heck is that video title man

[@Solunerra]

An attempt to direct people more towards the discussion of what Citlali enables rather than the seperate issue of what options the game has for on field Cryo DPS, with a silly tag line added in

[@fengbeto]

I wish Superconduct will be a thing in the future.

[@Solunerra]

I probably will have a video coming soon seeing if it can be utilized with Citlali

[@8oito264]

I think you're missing the point in saying "Archon level kit" Archons are made to represent both their nation and their element, Mavuika and Raiden fit that very well, Electro's identity is Energy related things and Pyro's identity is DPS (hence the 2 amplifying reactions), You can look at all archons and see that they represent their element very well with their kit (except venti because anemo's identity changed at some point and now is kinda lost between grouping, buffing and elemental absorption, so i'd say that kazuha's kit would fit the "Archon level kit" better than venti)

[@luminous3558]

Tbf venti has the hardest grouping of any character its just too good to work with everything and there became more niche compared to kazuha who groups less strongly but against more types of enemies and in a less cringe way(autotargeting is so bad on venti ult). Also buffing ofc.

[@iluvfurina2]

Ok i agree but what about the cryo archon isn't cryo litterally based around crit rate

[@achilleaszigouris6926]

While I do enjoy playing Mavuika more, as a character I much more prefer Citlali, so I'm glad I got lucky and was able to get both.

[@TheJH1015]

for the people wondering because from the looks of it, Soluna does not have Yoimiya so they weren't able to test: yes, Citlali DOES enable Yoimiya Melt! it does require you to *slightly* slow down your NA inputs so her Pyro doesn't overtake the Cryo, but with either Kazuha burst absorbing Citlali's Cryo, or with Rosaria as second Cryo, it's perfectly doable.

[@BellaMoonTune]

When my fav team is - Kokomi - Furina -Citlali - yelan I clear abyss easy, I love this team

[@schlafesbruder7625]

This was helpful, ty! I didn't like the motorcycle so I pulled her instead :-) For your melt Amber. This only works with Ayaka. Amber, Bennett, Layla (with high energy) and Ayaka. Better than expected!

[@Hodelino]

Citlalis personality literally overshadowed Mavuika and the Archon Quest for me. While I still pulled for 1 copy for Mavuika and her weapon I decided to go for C2 Citlali. Now she is honestly cracked and she feels like a C2 Nahida-esque unit to me that pulls alot of weight in so many comps

[@hooman2001]

Got Citlali and have to agree , she's the archon not Mauvika smh One of the reasons why archon are so popular from the start is bcoz they enabled new teams Venti with crowd control, Zhongli shielding dps, Raiden with offield application, nahida revolutionising dendro, furina with healers And Mauvika...she needs others to enable her playstyle Sadge

[@fimbulvetr6129]

Raiden also had the energy regeneration on her burst, sure, it’s a nuke but it also supported teams in a way of lowering overall ER

[@DaGGzu]

she’s the pyro archon if there’s going to be a dps archon it has to be pyro, i don’t understand all the bitching

[@ImAaronTV]

Ngl i just pulled for citlali bc i know Mavuika is going to get a rerun in a few patches so i'm better off getting Citlali instead of her because who knows when Citlali's going to get a rerun

[@kaibacorp13]

1:18 nope, absolutely wrong like lots of people, I don't know why or how it start and/or everyone agree with it and repeat it without thinking about it, but from beginning of genshin to this day all of the archons duo in different role. Venti zhongli are support, nahida furina are sub dps/buffer, raiden mauvika are main dps char with off field capability. So no not all or most archon are support, it's only 2 if them.

[@feelshowdy]

For Klee, something to consider: if even THE Xingqiu cannot keep up with her, I doubt any cryo unit could. Fingers crossed for Tsaritsa though I guess.

[@samarakaye2779]

Well Pyro and Hydro do more for Cryo than Citlali does for Cryo

[@AevyCh]

You should try out Superconduct Driver Citlali. I'm still salty with the fact that they gave her Superconduct color palette & yet made her a Melt/Freeze Support 😢 Hey, at least you can double dip with EM for damage & shield strength.

[@Solunerra]

I am probably going to make a superconduct focused video with her as the superconduct trigger lol.

[@icemaiden9534]

citlali replaced kazuha(C0, freedom sworn(R1) on my neuvi team cause neuvi dosent really need to group the characters to use his skill, so the whole team now is neuvi (C2, tomb of eternal flow ), furina(C0, weapon variable), citlali (C0, signiture) and xilonin(C0, craftable natlan weapon R1). a lot of my teams over my time playing genshin have been freeze or bloom/hyperbloom teams. the team works well and its fun to play

[@yia-yi]

i pulled citlali cause mavuika is more likely to rerun before her anyway, but shes also so cute and i love her kit , probably gonna triple crown

[@RieMUisthegoaT]

Citlali enjoyers RISE Thoughts on Citlali replacing one of the cryo options in the 4* reverse melt? Kaeya/Rosaria/XL/Bennett. She would replace Rosaria here I assume, also is Shenhe relevant here?

[@clinton_13]

Post-release Mavuika insult, video 1678005. Your opinion will be archived into the history. Congrats

[@tanguydubos]

Thinking to get her one day bc she does seem fun, even if hydro or pyro dpsing isnt my thing, she still seems useful. Banner layouts dont really benefit me rn so hopefully one day I can get her

[@Abicated]

I feel like Mavuika and Citlali are two of the more fun characters we've had in a while. I really like both of their characters, too. I know you said you didn't like Mavuika's personality, so I won't try to sell you on why I appreciate her character so much, especially as she exists as a foil to Furina, but I'm happy you like Citlali. Thank you for the video.

[@huydinni]

I pulled for C2R1 Citlali and am looking forward to a C1 Citlali video. I originally was gonna stop at C1 because it was basically like pulling for a universal shenhe. Interested on what you have cooking

[@RawFish2DChannel]

I'm also building DPS Citlali, glad to see that you are also Citlali enjoyer 👍 Also I'm F2P and I got her C2, that's how much I like her. And also because I think like any other cryo character she might be locked in cryo prison by hoyo after her banner ends 😭

[@minefricek]

I fully agree with this video :) I have C2R1 Citlali and no Mavuika, Mainly because I want her for my Arlecchino

[@SavageDroppinDaBeats]

Gushing over Magical Grannies is a crazy title lol (that manga is unironically GOATd tho)

[@thetitanriders808]

I can confirm that the story was goated

[@sniandfriend4966]

I hope Cyro curse didn’t apply to her. I like her but I like Mauvika more so I will get her in next rerun for sure.

[@DaGGzu]

pretty mid take imo, according to your logic it’s just a subjective take on what you think an archon should be, shouldn’t an archon be whatever it CAN be ? i mean it’s an archon. why do they have to be tied to supportive capabilities? just because you played through furina and nahida? citlali doesn’t save cryo she just gives cryo a not dogshit option

[@DaGGzu]

it probably isn’t fair to call it a mid since it’s your opinion and there is no factual truth, me saying mid is just another opinion, so i take that back, but saving cryo still feels like an objective stretch

[@theshard5697]

I actually like doing melt Ganyu with Citlali, Mavuika, and Nahida 🙃 Overall I'm of the same mind as you regarding Citlali. I got her weapon because it's my favourite looking weapon in the game, but also because with this weapon and Scroll set, she buffs any PHEC character by 68% which is very close to Furina. But I also agree that her C1 achieves the goal of making her an universal buffer much better than the weapon and at the end of the day I only pulled for the weapon cause I think it's cute. I just wish her C1 was her passive instead or something...

[@erronblack3462]

she was the first char in 4 years of playing where my interest in her went form 100 to 0 after seeing her kit. Being a niche support to the best performing characters in the game is not valuable for me even though i have everyone she is BIS for she just feels worthless, if she also buffed hugely some of my underperforming units that don't even have any good supports then i would have pulled her in a heartbeat

[@the_starry_night_Sky]

THIS THIS THIS. As a cryo main, why do we need a cryo character that buffs every part of a cryo reaction BUT the cryo? She can’t ’make cryo relevant’ if she’s the only relevant cryo character lmao. They could have just made her support all three elements.

[@marcusaurelius4777]

Citlali is the archon of Natlan for me. She's longer lived than Mavuika (this is absolute fact before any ignorant people try to say otherwise, Mavuika lived a normal human lifespan, then died/sacrificed herself into the Flame so that she could be reborn, was in stasis for like 500 years, then got reborn give or take some years from that, so at most, she's lived like sixty years of actual living). Citlali enables more teams than Mavuika, as archons fit the enabler/support/subdps role, and opens up new options for play. Citlali's personality is far more deep and rich than Mavuika, who feels like a cardboard cutout Mary Sue. Yes, she's a mary sue. She has no flaws. Her "flaw" is that she "works too hard" and "sacrifices too much"...those are literally Mary Sue characteristics, my friend. Another major one is winning over enemies easily...wtf happened with Capitano? That dude that questioned her at the resurrection for Kachina? yeah. Quiet down now. Some fools were like "Oh, how is PAINTING a mary sue thing?" That isn't the issue, the issue is that she MASTERS painting in like a MONTH from the end of the AQ to the party that is held... she solves puzzles so fast that the company that makes them can't keep up...do you see how this is a bad thing? She doesn't fail. She doesn't face repercussions for her actions, shit, she was supposed to DIE and escaped conveniently from that. The other Archons are deeply flawed, ironically, since Mavuika is true human, and the others are mythical beings. Zhongli has difficulty understanding humans, and puts them in danger to test them. He struggles with Erosion and the loss of his companions. He's stubborn and steadfast, holding true to the contracts he has even though it might benefit the Traveler to know what he knows. Venti is a drunk, he is a lazy, absentee ruler with a penchant for creating chaos. He knows when to lock in, but he's also mysterious. He carries a deep loss within him from letting his friend die, and thus, his form is based on that friend, showing us that he hasn't truly moved on from this and accepted what has happened. Ei is Ei. Girl is a girlfailure. She's lost so many dear friends and her sister that she shut everything away, tried to make a "false eternity", and was actively hostile against anyone that defied her for the VHD and SD. She is INFINITELY more interesting than Mavuika. She's a competent ruler, but feels that she isn't because her sister was seen as the more skilled politician and thinker, while she was the warrior. Furina is Furina. I don't even need to go into why she's the GOAT. Nahida has a deep sense of feeling worthless, weak, and pitiful. She has a non existence sense of self worth as she believes that if her people didn't want her, maybe she doesn't deserve to be the Archon. This eventually is worked through to a point, but you can still see the sense of doubt that Nahida has in herself and her abilities, especially when dealing with Apep in her second story quest. Citlali, on the other hand, has a major flaw when it comes to accepting death, loss, and forming connections with people. She has gotten up into her own head that she's unworthy of being loved and respected because of the persona that she's created for herself to push people away, because she can't bear the fact of watching them die over and over again. She feels detached from society, and dislikes being in crowds and around other people. She drinks to tame the pain that she has in her heart, and has a sense of nihilism as a result of this: that nothing matters and everything's going to die eventually, so why bother trying to do anything meaningful? Why bother to try to be happy if everything is just going to die eventually? This is the same kind of nihilism that Amon, in FFXIV's story had: nothing is worthy of life therefore all life should be extinguished. Citlali is a FLAWED character that gets HELP from the Traveler, who is another immortal being, who offers another perspective for her, and helps her begin to move on from her problem in a very touching, genuine, and organic way. She doesn't completely change, but her mind has been opened to new possibilities.

[@Meese12]

16:19 yeah, i've been doing a lot of testing with pmc and i found that citlali is sort of a cracked bennett replacement in kinich emilie burning. Citlali holds TTDS and tenacity and puts out the burning at the end of the rotation for PMC to reproc scroll.

[@jokc8]

They really fumbled by not giving Cryo + Dendro a reaction.

[@sporkybyme]

On my Main Account, I just got Citlali since she makes a lot more sense to get than another DPS, I have Arle at C2 so there was no reason to get mavuika. On my Alt Account though, I got both, so at least they complement each other rather nicely to test them out at least.

[@savannah-_-]

a lot of ppl need things to be so black and white in the way information is presented to them otherwise they miss the point completely (totally not targeted peace and love)

[@GraveUypo]

nah xilonen is.

[@urgaguer]

Any thoughts on her with Lyney?

[@leedevee]

I really disliked her when she debuted in the AQ, promised myself never to pull her. Then slowly came around, fell in love with her in her story quest, today caved and pulled her. Giddy as a tiny kid, her design and animations are so cute. And I guess she makes my Mavuika even more broken, I guess.

[@coffeeking9565]

I think the only thing seprating citlali from an archon kit is cryo res shred (yes i read the pin) and graphical feedback. Using her with certain teams, its hard to tell exactly when the cryo aura is applied. (Its there, but with all the flashing between effects- i sometimes just have to beleive that cryo is applied before melting) Regardless. I love weeb granny.

[@createrdp3958]

if some one open "voice-over" means they try to sell character so hard😌

[@Shirospyre]

To be fair to Mavuika's kit, she is clearly meant to be the dps in full archon teams. At least that's how I'm choosing to look at it.

[@Honed-]

i have her c1, with malvwika, i could c2 her, but first i need to get xilonen, and c1 (or c2) mavwika.

[@jokc8]

25:19 lets not praise such kind of mentality for the sake of being edgy, when in reality, it IS an problem.

[@Bulazs250]

I've been thinking about pulling and using her with Noelle(C6)/Furina/Xilonen, she would enable shatter beside the buffs. Any thoughts?

[@thetitanriders808]

Shatter? Are you doing a challenge where you can only use the worst reaction ever? No offense but double hydro double geo is good. The only reason i see her in this team would be for the hyrdo res shred.

[@ormitomimus]

I pulled her over Mavuika, because I liked her the most out of Natlan characters. I don't vibe with the oversexualised drip marketing and her being just a hermit loving books, beautiful color scheme, just kinda resonated for me the most. She isn't the best, the most meta, but she's fun

[@paulolugo7447]

Mauvika is meta AF man, she’s the strongest DPS carry in the game, the best exploration unit & the best off field pyro DPS

[@cresentj]

Dehya - furina - citlali - baizhu (or yaoyao). Give Dehya EM sands. pyro goblet, crit circlet, crit weapon, as much EM substats as possible. Granny burgeon. The dehya, furina, baizhu core is just too nice and citlali changes the vapes into melts plus makes shreds the pyro for dehya and shreds the hydro for furina.

[@SillyCarlton]

the way i wish i never got mavuika and just got cons for citlali too

[@jesperlindberg7970]

Ahh the urge to pull C1 Citlali. But then Furina is coming, Wriothesley is coming, Shenhe is coming. Heck, even Lan Yan & Chevreuse is happening..... almost wish I also skipped Mavuika and went for C1 Citlali instead.

[@Gurl_pNg]

I like Citlali more than Mav because cryo Bias but at this point I find more values in supports that buff decently strong characters I already have like for me Hu Tao(I don’t have arle lol) or even Neuvillette who didn’t need the buff but it’s funny.

[@meranse8893]

Does she now.. idk

[@Solunerra]

Did you watch the video

[@cresentj]

If the archon is a baddie aka 'tall' female model, then they are going to be an onfield dps with some supportive value. If they arent a baddie, well then they're basically a support unit / subdps. Its done that way because majority of gacha players want to main strong characters and also because they want to play hot women. So if the cryo archon is a baddie - you know what her role is. If she has the same model as nahida, get ready for 2 second field time per rotation lol. If its a teen model like ayaka then its a 50/50. btw I'm not condoning or denouncing this design philosophy. Just pointing out that the ingame playstyle/role of the archons are dictating far more by their character models than just them being archons.

[@pancakemikki]

Maybe it's just my experience, but I saved up for months to get c1 Citlali and her weapon and I have 0 regrets haha. I mainly use her in my Wanderer team instead of Layla and with Benny still triggering melts, her shield is also actually plenty enough as I have found and it makes the team just so much more fun for me !! Faruzan is holding the Cinder City artifact set to buff anemo damage even more than she already does, so Citlali gets the tenacity set instead ^^ Another dps I have much more fun with is Ayato. Citlali gives him such a huge buff and I can finally use him in the Abyss, alongside pyro traveler and Nahida. Like you said, I also agree she makes a big impact, at c1 even outside of pyro/hydro teams (even if it's not "ideal"). I also don't own nor like Furina and Xilonen so Citlali's c1 and weapon was a good investment for me.

[@p-s3238]

Please try chasca scroll cloud retainer vv furina and em yae

[@Apate-]

Ya gotta change the thumbnail man the comments are cooking you for saying she saves cryo

[@Solunerra]

Nah, I stand by that lol. Cryo was worse than Geo before Citlali, and now we have reasons to do things with Cryo reactions again.

[@doriansz3130]

​@@SolunerraBut she doesn't help Cryo characters ,this doesn't make any sense ,even Xilonen who buffs Geo dmg does more for her element. Citlali help Hydro and Pyro characters, but not Cryo,if she had Cryo res shred that would be something else.

[@ACCW42]

Now I'm curious since you mentioned Raiden and Mavuika not feeling like they had archon kits, but Nahida and Furina do. Where do Venti and Zhongli fall? Cause I've only played with Zhongli myself but aside from "crazy big shield" I don't see him as being revolutionary, at least not on the level of Nahida and Furina.

[@luminous3558]

Considering release zhongli was the worst character in the game for a few months he certainly didnt revolutionize anything except being the first one to actually get buffed directly. Venti pretty much owned abyss for a good while when there werent any bosses put in and he could just suck up entire chambers.

[@Solunerra]

Zhonglis universality for most players gives him archon level support, even if there isnt that much mechanically interesting to me (because Geo). Definitely not enabling new team level, for sure. Venti is interesting but Hoyo decided to release Kazuha and enemies that he doesnt do anything with so yeah. I ultimately brought Furina/Nahida up specifically to point out how they were the archons that were most recent and that I actually experienced the before and after of in order to illustrate how they skewed my expectations quite significantly, even though there is no rule an archon had to be like them on a design level

[@Hazedlol55]

Why y'all basing who the archon is on who has better supportive capabilities 💀 archons should be main dps's not sub dps/ support

[@savvyavyavy3227]

Most archons in the past have held more supportive roles/capabilities (Venti grouping, Zhongli shield, nahida em buff+dendro application, furina teamwide dmg bonus buff) so that's probably why

[@careymariemartin3285]

he explained why he feels that way in the video 😭 he didn’t say that’s the ultimate truth, just how he feels bc he was there for the release of nahida and furina who made so many new teams viable

[@paulolugo7447]

@@careymariemartin3285so just because two out of seven archons were great supports, that means every Archon should have a great support kit? might as well just make Bennett the archon then lol Mauvika being a cracked DPS makes sense lore wise, considering she’s a warrior, same with Ei/Raiden. Furina being a support makes sense as well since she’s not an archon lore wise & isn’t a strong fighter, Nahida as well as she herself says she’s not a “fighting archon” Even then, Mauvika is also a fantastic support unit as she’s an upgrade on virtually everything Xiangling offered in meta. Every team that used to have Xiangling have been replaced by Mauvika in the meta.

[@careymariemartin3285]

@@paulolugo7447 did you even read my comment.. i said that’s why HE said that’s how he FEELS based on when he started the game and the archons released then.. i never said i necessarily feel the same and soluna was just talking abt himself like its not that serious

[@paulolugo7447]

@@careymariemartin3285 I read your comment, I get what he “feels”. I still think it’s dumb lol

[@AuraLegend-up8tp]

I really like this lady but Clorinde exists so... When she reruns her and Kinich top priority

[@agidokiyt2164]

She is a balanced good support, thats all though. Mavuika fits the kit of an archon more. - Citlali can enable melt/more melt in so teams. But she shreds much less than Xilonen/Kazuha while also being restricted to Pyro/Hydro. So she is still great, just balanced. So balanced to the point id be dissapointed if the Cryo archon has this kind of kit. - However if you are telling me the next strongest dps will also be able to buff active character and replace Xiangling in most teams. Then i will not believe you at all unless if the character is an archon

[@ragingstorm_]

citlali will only get better with time, once we get more hydro and cryo characters

[@moodxe]

Casually drops spoiler in the first 20secs for new players 😭

[@deedeesga34]

ok but why would you want to play one of the most counterintuitive antisynergistic teams ever 😭 you thinking c1 is needed for Raiden-Mavuika is weird bc they were never meant to be played together

[@Solunerra]

It was an example of a team where you could replace XL, but is not an upgrade in practice because of not getting her burst back. I mentioned it as one example of a team where I wanted her C1 so she universally can replace XL. Thats all. The fact that you think that is anti synergistic is a bit odd, have you not seen Chevreuse teams before?

[@deedeesga34]

@ well considering that the two units in question, Mavuika and Raiden, have kits that just don’t work together. especially in a chevreuse team where energy costs aren’t even that high if replacing xiangling, raiden’s resolve stacks would be minimal. then raiden’s attacks don’t count toward building up (iirc)mavuika’s ult so her damage is also not as high as it could be.

[@luminous3558]

@@Solunerra Seems like thats more on raiden being a bad character with design flaws as the same thing thats stopping beidou from working with raiden is stopping raiden from making Fighting spirit in her burst.

[@pandemmonium]

convinced half of the people in these comments didn’t even watch the video.. y’all are making points soluna himself doesn’t even agree with. silly gooses.

[@Solunerra]

Always get lots of comments that seems like they dont watch the video and instead draw their own conclusions based on nothing other than a title/thumbnail statement that is simply meant to make you go “why does this person believe this” in order to get them to listen to my yapping, but it clearly doesnt work, so I dunno. Maybe I will add a question mark into the thumbnail instead, even if its saying the same exact thing from me

[@zeedelahostria]

I picked Mavuika over Citlali solely because it would be pointless for me to pick what is going to be optimally a melt support if I don't have a pyro dps hypercarry to buff with her kit. I'll see you in 4 years, granny. 😢

[@MRNIGHTMARE97]

Bennet is truly is the real pyro archon as support type

[@Solunerra]

This is true lol

[@pyronado4320]

The combination of fire and sword is something usually associated with a hero or MC and we never got that combo between him and "mc"

[@lostrefugee]

God of war is not gonna be a support obviously.

[@atheon-]

i disagree with "archon level" she, by design, is nower near an archon level character just because "archon" doesn't mean how it changes the game, it is how well they fit the element itself gameplay wise and story wise there are 2 things that archons do that she literally doesn't do whatsoever and that's literally right for every archon in the game: 1- elemental identity: what do i mean by that? all archons follow a line from their elemental identity: venti is anemo, an element that favors elemental infusions and is really attached to the concept of liberty, so he begs you to infuse elements on his ultimate because of the HUGE ER buff he does after his ult ends with a swirled element (he didn't buff swirl directly because the vision for non multiplicative reactions were entirely different, just look at how many buffs they had after 1.6) and about liberty, he literally take's off the liberty of other enemies having the strongest CC ability that's not a taunt in the game. zhongli is geo, an element that favors raw damage and is really attached to the concept of order, powercreeo aside, he was the first character in the game to have a 1000% multiplier on his ultimate and he literally petrifies enemies that even freeze can AND he has a shield that makes things managable to literally "keep things in order". raiden is electro, an element that is really related to energy and being constant """being eternal""" as you can put it, in her ultimate she refunds energy to all her teammates and her E increases not only burst damage, she buffs energy gains too, simmilar to ER, but not ER, they made it for it to stack with her ult bc if it used the same number it wouldn't work if you built her correctly, and about the being constant part, electro is an element that differently from all other elements it infects things like a virus, you can see it through all inazuma, no other element has such controll over it's terrain other than geo, that is literally the element of controll, and inazuma has places that there is so much electro infection that you actually get hurt if you come in, another example, electro lawachurls that get infused with electro looks sick, like actively has a disease sick, an that infection can be related to "eternity", because EVERYTHING becomes like that once electro comes in contact, and on the same boat (it is not a streach, they just made it like this because if that was on her base kit it would be giga broken and they were not sure what to do with it", her c6 literally shortens cooldowns as her ultimate hits. nahida is dendro, an element that favors a lot elemental interactions where dendro is the "submissive" element and is heavily tailored to work with transformative reactions as basis, quick q&a on why electro just makes dendro crazy, that is because dendro is passive and electro is literally infectiously agressive, this is literally electro forcing dendro, and nahida on her ult actively has buffs that coorelate to other elements, electro causes her attack intervals to go faster, pyro makes her to give damage bonus and hydro makes it last longer. furina is hydro, an element that is really funny because it literally changed identities and furina managed to fit both, before hydro was an element that was atrelated to healing and neutrallness, and now it is literally health and agressiveness and her kit fits this so well i need to talk about it faster, the fact that she is heavily atrelated to healers, hp and damage buffing but at the same time she has a mode that is literally a "stop an heal" mode is too funny, the element also has an identity of prolongation, to make longer, like when dendro traveler/nahida are affected with hydro, their effect last longer, or about hydro appliers, they actively make the element in question last longer by some factor, cryo? it freezes, pyro? not directly but hydro by design overpowers pyro to make pyro react almost all the time, can easily be observed with xingqiu and arlecchino, both of them have simmilar application but you will ALWAYS vape with arlecchino and never with xingqiu, electro? it literally makes the electro tic more, and with furina, her ultimate damage can have it's time refreshed before the cooldown expires. and mavuika, pyro is an element that is heavily related to damage and agressiveness, but not agressivenes like electro, pyro doesn't like anything with it, it always tries to come on top of any element, and that is really easy to experience with kazuha and sucrose as an example, neither of them are coded to absorb pyro more, they just follow the programing of the element, and pyro is the only element that has that type of interaction even with anemo that is an neutral element, only against cryo and hydro it has a different relationship, but with dendro you can see that, because it overpowers dendro, and with electro you can see that too, both are incredibly agressive and it resutls in an explosion, but pyro barely comes on top and the final damage is pyro and not electro, and about damage, well, in game lava and fire literally damages you just because you came in contact with it , that is reflected on mavuika, she is a damage dealer that can buff damage, and no, although i find it cool i don't have a lore explanation on why the B uses a freaking motorcycle, that is beyond me citlali is cryo, cryo is an element that is heavily related to crit rate and stagnation, literally to force something to slow something down or to stop, citlali doesn't favor freeze, something that literally goes against what cryo does to hydro, citlali is EM oriented, she literally does nothing to freeze, and nothing in her kit provides a increase in effectiveness on slow down, an effect that is one of the signature things cryo does, everyone an their mothers have already complained about being slown down by cryo, and citlali does nothing to crit rate, the only thing she has with crit rate is that she needs it if you want her nuke to do damage, but that's it and 2- elemental representation every archon tries to make the best of their element, all of them, even nahida does it and she is the one that represents a submissive element, and she does that literally in appearence, looking really young and fragile, and basically behaving (in gameplay) exactly as what "dendro" was suposed to do on field, but not citlali, citlaly heavily favors pyro and is compleately detached to her element edit: i know how you feel about elements and specifically cryo on the game, you might not like it but that's how the cards have been set up by hoyo, i know you would like a lot more for cryo to be an other elements enabler but unfortunatelly that's not how hoyo want's it and that's not going to happen, i am just saying it on that tone because i know when to lose hope for something when i know that's not going to happen, i loved phys damage, and i already gave up on it, that's something that hoyo won't do

[@luminous3558]

Archon style kit = a kit similar to exactly furina and nahida, the 2 good archons while everyone else is dying in a ditch and forgotten. Raiden and Mavuika literally have the same kit but Mavuika is 1000% more useful by means of actually doing damage and having a beneficial element. Nahida also isnt doing too hot anymore since she really hasnt been given a traditional dendro character to support that is up to modern standards. So its really just Furina when people talk about modern archons. Mavuika is a better generic support than nahida but somehow gets more complaints...

[@dakotamedlin48]

Her c2 makes her better than kazuha c2 in international

[@puma21puma21]

I think Citlali is getting massively overrated. Bis for Mavuika, debatable for Arlechino, but for characters like Neuv is just a Zhongli sidegrade which is a downgrade from his new core.

[@helttexas6009]

Exactly idk why soluna is glazing her up like she actually saved cryo. She helps already strong dps like Arle and Neuvi and Mavuika get higher ceilings and side grades a few options lol

[@puma21puma21]

@@helttexas6009 I don't think she helped Neuv or Arlecchino reach new heights, just a different option. Arle looks good for melt showcases but I still think Vape is overall best dps.

[@luminous3558]

Yeah xilonens existence kinda makes her lose a lot of value as a generic option. Natlan characters without their sets are just really missing something.

[@wisconsinwintergreen6296]

Her cons are what make her strong. C2 Citlali is extremely versatile and provides like 5 separate buffs Yeah C0 is mid admittedly

[@tazlikesbread]

am happy i got a c6 qiqi to mauika to get citlali (yes am coping) i also love citlali