I Told My Daughter That Her And The Baby Can Live With Me But Not Her Husband r/Relationships

[@pinkgoblin5815]

In story 1 I am 99% sure that OP did NOT write that update.

[@Cjaj2]

Story 1: is OP safe?? What was that at the end they sound like a hostage.

[@KJ-sp9jq]

S2: Got to love that Christian love. Force a child to keep a kid they can't possibly take care, shame her as much as possible, offer her no help, blame her and ignore the guys role. What wonderful examples of humanity.

[@lynnw7155]

They also keep kids ignorant about sex, about options, about making their own decisions, thinking for themselves...it sounds like the poor girl (who must be 19 by now) is too brainwashed to get out. My husband grew up in a strict religious household like that and he and his 3 siblings left home as soon as they could and want nothing to do with the church. Religion came before everything; the parents refused to acknowledge one son's marriage because he married out of their faith.

[@katymbeke8400]

As a Christian, I apologise on behalf of all the Religious nutcases that roam the Earth.

[@Ohkay5613]

S1: op, blink twice if you need help. No way op wrote that update under normal circumstances. That level of backtracking is done under duress

[@thomasjoseph5876]

I'm wondering if the daughter and/or her boyfriend saw the Reddit post LOL.

[@amazehub3644]

Idk if that is the case as there is no motive to force op to backtrack The situation wasn't even that horrible in the first post He seemed creepy but not outright horrible so very little motive

[@kichikitsu]

@@amazehub3644anyone in their thirties going after an 18yr old absolutely IS horrible. he's shown to be, predictably, a shitty partner who's had an on-and-off relationship with a TEENAGER and baby-trapped her and rushed her into a marriage. this is a predator who absolutely would date younger teens if he wasn't at risk of going to jail for it. this OP is 100% backtracking and i agree, "blink twice if you need help"-level of backtracking. the biggest red flag is the "a wholeass adult going after a teen? gross" comment with OP replying "i know, thats exactly what i thought" but in the update he's suddenly going "idk why you're all calling him a predator [even though i agreed with yall]"

[@SwirlyPinwheel]

My exact thoughts. The update was so stilted and wrong.

[@Center-For-I.E.D.Mismanagement]

@@SwirlyPinwheel Almost as if OP outed themselves as a liar. Oh, wait.

[@strawberrysangria1474]

Story 2: "We treat our daughter like we hate her, neglect her and our grandchild, take money away from her, force her into a dead-end job and humiliate her. We're going to heaven for sure!" -The parents, probably

[@mindyschocolate]

S1: update sounds like daughter found it (or Aaron) and wrote the update themselves. 😂😂😂

[@bug-in-a-rug]

Story Two: Hello, everyone! Today, we’re going to learn what contradictions are! Here is an example: Sixteen year olds still have to ask their parents for permission to go to the mall, and yet some people think they’re mature enough to have children! Aren’t contradictions silly?

[@socialmoon]

I wouldn't even allow a 16 yo to use the internet unsupervised, let alone raise a child!

[@Parasolhyena]

@@RisetoStrengthI mean they didn't say they aren't allowed to use the internet at all, they just said they'd supervise. When I was a teen my parents would pop in and see what I was looking at and doing just to be safe.

[@kurotsuki7427]

Also "you cant keep the child, you cant get rid of the child" woo hoo?

[@DemonAngel]

As my husband says "There's that Christian love and understanding." This is why many people don't like the Church

[@terramarini6880]

Church hurt is a real thing and there are many who have been driven away by the churchs own actions, or in one case I know of, inaction, they preached charity and help on Sundays but were nowhere to be found after a hurricane wiped his home out, didn't even reach out to ask how he was doing. He has never stepped foot in a church since.

[@stephjovi]

The update I wonder if the daughter wrote that

[@kateemma22]

Or Aaron.

[@HodajuciParadoks]

1. Story update sounds like Op did not write this....or had to write this. Update sounds scary.

[@shadowkissed2370]

Yup, sounds like the daughter found it and begged op to write it for her own safety or threatened to go no contact and never see op again if they didn't write it.

[@IMOO1896]

Agree

[@doyouliketacosiliketacos5139]

Yeah, it sounded weird to me too.

[@totitelevisionshow]

it sounded SO off it actually scared me

[@Center-For-I.E.D.Mismanagement]

So is "Aaron" supposed to wear a scarlet letter for the rest of his life? How typical of those who think themselves "civilized."

[@mydeardoxy]

Story One: Yeah, OP was definitely forced to write that update because that’s the biggest 180 I’ve seen this year 😭. I think in the best scenario, the daughter found out and would’ve isolated herself if OP didn’t apologize. In the worst scenario, her husband also found out and pressured the daughter into confronting OP. Either way, I hope OP, the daughter, and her child will continue to remain safe. Story Two: Forcing a child to have a baby just to refuse helping said child support her baby? Sounds like good ol’ conservative love! I’m glad OP is still standing up for her and supporting her in whatever way he can.

[@Fluttershy890]

Story 1 update sounds fishy. OP definitely didn't write this.

[@wildblue0]

Story 1: That update was so not what I expected, I almost think they've already moved in and husband hijacked the reddit. Keep an eye on him.

[@MountainPearls]

So I saw your comment and listened again. One of my degrees is in English. I have some rhetoric and grammar classes (including several at the grad level) under my belt. His first post had short sentences, not a lot of adjectives (not a lot of detail…not at all superfluous). The second…longer sentences and more adjectives. It was much more wordy. The two posts seem to have very different writing styles. You may very well be onto something…it’s scary. I wonder if the daughter told him to write it and let them stay, or she would cut him from his grandchild and her (on orders from the guy)? He may be scared she will have no “out” if she doesn’t let him into the home. And/or perhaps he is bringing them in so he can have him finally arrested.

[@Frostfern94]

@@MountainPearlsAgreed. It’s horrifying. It wouldn’t be the first one I’ve heard where that’s happened

[@helolady922]

Story 1: OP didnt write that update Aaron and the daughter did

[@jmonique6409]

Sounds like it. The writing is way drastically different. OP is the first part loathe, for good reason, her daughter's husband. She didn't have a good thing to say about him. The update makes no sense.

[@weezylone]

People who use the excuse of morality to commit evil acts are by miles the worst kind of sinners.

[@lynettephillip2412]

People commit evil acts in different ways!

[@lauriemeyer7030]

"Scibes and Pharisees. Hypocrites!" They are called out in the Bible. These are the kind of people who put Christ on t he cross.

[@thomasjoseph5876]

@@lynettephillip2412 Kind of like when the girl wants to kill a baby and ironically the commenters call the religion who is trying to SAVE the baby, a Death Cult LOL. Reddit blows.

[@waitwhat1029]

​@@thomasjoseph5876...ffs. Too late to abort you, huh?

[@IceJJFishArchive]

@@thomasjoseph5876 hey thomas no amount of copy pasting this comment is gonna change the fact that forcing a CHILD to have a baby as "punishment" is abhorrent. You are the reason secularization is important

[@diamcole]

8:05 Honestly, OP's ability to rationalize this person in their mid-30s being with her 22 year old daughter is the very reason why she herself was able to rationalize him as a valid choice in partner in the first place.

[@berobero686]

And it all began when she were even younger. Which way they were looking when it all began?

[@zk6019]

op failed as parent and doesnt want people talking about it.

[@ndawn90]

You hit the nail on the head with that one!! I ended up in two abusive age gap relationships, once at 16 and again at 20. Part of the reason why I went along with either relationship is because my mom never said anything about it. If anything, she encouraged it! I also grew up in an abusive household where my mother's husband would use violence and anger to get what he wanted, up to and including being arrested for DV against my mom. So I thought that abuse was acceptable and something you tolerated and worked through, and that almost got me killed. To be clear, I'm not saying that it's 100% my mother's fault that I ended up in a relationship like that. It's partially on me, partially on my exes, even a little bit on social norms. But, her actions absolutely play a role.

[@IceJJFishArchive]

@@RisetoStrength or it's because younger women are less experienced in looking for good partners so men way older than them take advantage of that. They will cry "women my age are overbearing" or "jealous i can pull younger" but there's no reason to be jealous of men who specifically seek young women who don't understand they are sought for being young and immature

[@IceJJFishArchive]

@@RisetoStrength a lot of words to say you will find any way to go younger beyond legal restraints lol but ig anyone who had multiple partners are "with baggage", including men

[@nousernamesarevalid]

Church friend is talking to OP because she feels OP is safe to talk to.

[@wildfyah]

*sigh* they absolutely force kids to have the kids and then refuse to help. They want to force the woman to keep the child as a shame symbol.

[@dream6562]

Most people that are against it is because the fundamental viewpoint of conception if you consider it a life then they would disagree due to the viewpoint of taking a life is wrong

[@thomasjoseph5876]

@@dream6562 I found it ironic that the girl wanted to kill her baby but yet, the commenters supporting her call the religion that wanted to SAVE the baby, a "Death Cult" LOL . Reddit Blows.

[@charmedleblanc]

It's so awful to have her have the baby but it's sinful and sickening that they are not helping her get started on being a mother. She's super strong to have survived this ordeal and while I hope she gets away from her parents and that church. They're reviling in making it extra difficult. I can understand them wanting her to have the baby but not anything else they're doing. 😢😢

[@charmedleblanc]

​@@thomasjoseph5876if it's about saving the babies ( ending abortions ) then why does life not matter after birth. Oh it's been about control since it became a good issue to create and divide people with. Look into the intersection of abortion and politics. It's a major issue because of that not Christianity.

[@dream6562]

@@charmedleblanc idk the, way I have seen it is from a personal responsibility matter, they are against it because it is the taking of an innocent life, it's also the person's responsibility to own up to the consequences of their actions, the logic being, if you didn't want a kid you wouldn't risk the possibility of one by having sex, since from their standpoint is while you can enjoy it, it's not just about enjoying it but also to bring new life

[@LittleImpaler]

Story 1. OP's decisions to let them stay in his house is going to bite him in the ass.

[@k70freeman]

Or op was full of from the start. Proof : Op " he is a monster" but the update " how dare people think his SIL is a monster". WTF. He literally blamed people for believing him,and with gas-lighting.

[@shadowkissed2370]

@@k70freeman he might have over-exaggerated how she is treated however she is being groomed by her husband. He started dating her at 18 while in his 30s ffs. Then got her pregnant after being on again and off again and only after she got pregnant he married her, none of us know if he baby-trapped her but that sounds highly likely.

[@Center-For-I.E.D.Mismanagement]

@@shadowkissed2370 Or OP exaggerated the age gap. You are basing your analysis on information that is blatant hyperbole at best, or holier-than-thou lies at worst. Either way, OP's word cannot be trusted.

[@miminana-hd6nf]

@@shadowkissed2370 there can be large age gaps in relationships without it being grooming. OP stated, and reaffirmed, that the son in law is very immature. That would kind of negate any grooming, more likely a situation where the son in law is on the same maturity level as the daughter. If the son in law is really that immature (and it happens) then no one his age will be attracted to him.

[@mrsunderstood8141]

Doesn't excuse him going after girls so young. It's still a power imbalance. And grooming is not based on maturity level.

[@TheUselessbuthappy]

The same people who talk about babies being blessings and embryos being a live are also the same people who treat children like they are punishments and not people who deserve a healthy happy childhood. Imagine being a child who grows up to find out they only exist to punish thier mother. And then the nerve to take away her college fund so she cant even better her life so she can give her child a better life. They dont care about the baby otherwise they, at the very least, wouldnt be causing the child to suffer just to spite her mother.

[@wildfyah]

Ikr? They should be helping her. She's still a child herself 😭 they only care about increasing numbers, not what happens after that. They hate to admit that.

[@TheUselessbuthappy]

@wildfyah and you know there is no way that child won't find out since her spiteful parents will definitely make sure to tell them that thier mother wanted to abort them and they are only alive because of them

[@MrJpaynebb]

This story makes me think of so many people these days who are focused on their social media presence and image. Those influencers that so many of us mock, ridicule and sometimes repulsed by. Those parents, those church members and many, not all but a big chunk of "Christians" are all closely related. Mom making her Facebook post about how she won't allow abortion in her home to get those likes and praise. Them taking away her college fund to make her "tough out" and suffer for her sins like the good Christians they are. It's all about their image in the church and before the congregation. If it means screwing over their daughter and grandchild to look better then so be it.

[@ndawn90]

That's why people call them "pro-forced birth", because people who act like this clearly don't actually give a flying fig about life. All they care about is forcing people into becoming parents against their will and forcing innocent children into growing up knowing that they only exist as a punishment for their mother.

[@socialmoon]

​@@RisetoStrength Can you clarify the point you're trying to make?

[@SherriLyle80s]

S2: Imagine a "sanctuary" not being a sanctuary for sinners. Talk about throwing stones at glass houses. That pastor is gross. He should have talked to her in private. But her parents are the real jack wagons for letting her private matters out in public.

[@freedomcat]

They could have at least allowed her to give the child up for adoption.

[@floridafrostbite8002]

Story 2. This is the reason people hate the church. This isn’t about whether abortion is right or wrong so no talk about that under this comment. This is a private matter, the church should’ve kept this private. OP’s parents are horrible!! I don’t think the girl should get an abortion especially considering how fucked her life will be afterwards without her family. I’d say the best option is giving the baby up for adoption.

[@chloecook4511]

My brother was in divinity school to become a pastor and his girlfriend was in nursing school. They got pregnant. He suffered no consequences at school but she was dropped from school and didn't get credit for the semester even tho they were in the middle of finals. They got married and he did become a pastor and she eventually went back to school and became a nurse. Double standard much?

[@thomasjoseph5876]

Why would she have been dropped from a college with a Nursing School??? Women get pregnant all the time in college.

[@ndawn90]

​@@thomasjoseph5876If she was attending a religious institution, that's entirely possible. I have a friend who went to BYU, and he got kicked out of college in the middle of his final semester because his mom emailed the school and outed him as gay. At that point, he had never even kissed a boy, and he was still a virgin, but it didn't matter. Just the mere fact that he was gay was enough for BYU to say he violated the honor code and they kicked him out. He's spent the past 15+ years repaying his student loans for a degree he never finished by working in retail. The whole situation soured him on finishing school, and obviously it destroyed his relationship with his mother.

[@krisCrashTV]

so they were willing to take his gay money but not give him the education he paid for. Seems legal.

[@chloecook4511]

@@thomasjoseph5876 I never understood why she was dropped from school. Both were up front with their colleges about their situation but only the nursing school reacted that way. It wasn't a religious nursing school. She did not go back to that school for her rn degree. This occurred over 60 years ago.

[@brightonbabe2139]

@@chloecook4511 It was very different 60 years ago, however America is returning to those days very fast.

[@JMac7395]

STORY 2: Sounds like a typical Christian church to me. My grandmother would've fit right in. I hope at some point OP & the friend developed the courage to leave permanently. I understand that the conditioned mindset the friend was raised with is hard to break, but at this point she should realize that no matter what she does her parents will always view her as their shame & scapegoat for everything. She might as well do what she wants now. Like taking her child & leaving forever

[@MountainPearls]

I taught school. I have known girls in the friend’s condition get an abortion pill (however) and take it, then tell her parents she is having a miscarriage. There is no way the ER can tell the difference. If she has to have the surgical kind, tell her to go straight to the ER after and tell them she is having a miscarriage. (She may need to tell to the truth to the nurses and doctors behind closed doors before he/she does a pelvic exam…tell her to explain exactly why…and say she’ll be homeless and maybe even in physical danger should they find out). They can’t tell her parents legally and will cover for her (they do in the South). It may be wise to go to an ER in a town or two over to conveniently be in when she takes the 2nd pill, “for whatever reason you can make work,” so no one will recognize her at the hospital and overhear talk. They will also tell her parents she had a miscarriage (the terms are the same for miscarriage and abortion. They don’t distinguish between the two on medical paperwork. They’ll also likely give her birth control to use. This keeps the parents appeased, she doesn’t have to carry the baby and has a roof over her head until she can get the hell out. The friend can cover and say “We were at the mall…or wherever…when she started cramping and bleeding so I took her to the ER.” Parents will be none the wiser (just make sure to wear hats and perhaps take a car they aren’t familiar with to the clinic in case anyone from the church is protesting. There are also groups in most areas of people who will give rides and help financially too. Call Planned Parenthood. Also, erase all texts and messages from the phone…get a tech savvy person to help you.

[@franciebelcher4594]

Church story gives super ICK! That church sounds awful (most are imo). Google support for this issue. Girl's family sucks, OPs family sucks, the church sucks. I sincerely hope OP and the friend will be ok.

[@burntblonde2925]

This is why I don’t believe in religion. It’s all about control and money. Spirituality is different

[@Number-vt1fl]

Even if all the other flaws are exaggerated, doesn't change the fact the husband is a creep.

[@zk6019]

op didn't want to admit that they failed as a parent. allowing a 30 year old to f*ck their teenage daughter?? sick. that's why they backtracked to downplay the mess. most parents would try their best to protect their child. also a lot people insist these relationships started when "she was 18". but even if its earlier they wont say it because they know poeple will be disgusted and judge (even the parents will be judged).

[@RageOfBeef]

​@@RisetoStrength and we failed to teach you dating barely adults who are barely a quarter of your age is super immoral

[@candacescott2259]

I know they said that the pregnant girl dated someone "worldly", but in situations like this, I always suspect someone, like the father of the pregnant girl. He suddenly realizes she's getting to be the age where she can make adult decisions, and she might leave and then who would he have so conveniently nearby to molest? Now he has the girl AND her baby, and 99% likelihood that the mother KNOWS her hubby is the daddy, but now she can publically shame the daughter for her husbands sins. Tale as old as religion.

[@britnicox3929]

1: I will say, not being able to afford rent isn’t really an admonition anymore when rent has skyrocketed to unsustainability in the US the way that it has. Most people can’t afford rent out right and have to have multiple roommates to be able to get a nice place in a good area. And they could afford rent until they were kicked out of their good home and forced to deal with the inflated rent market. However, a mid 30s man getting a 22-year-old girlfriend pregnant, having a rushed wedding and becoming more attentive feels like he got her pregnant as soon as possible so she would never be able to leave him. Coincides quite nicely with that jealousy and possessive streak. I hope it’s wrong and she did actually exaggerate his red flags, for the daughter and the baby’s sake, but at least if he’s in their home she’ll be able to keep a watch on them and curb some of it so they have a home

[@FancySpicyTuna]

OP in story one mentioned “provinces” so I’m gonna take a gamble and think they might be in Canada, Ontario specifically. Rent there has almost doubled because rent control laws were revoked, so landlords are evicting to increase rent and tenants are being forced to live beyond their means just to SURVIVE. It’s not good.

[@thomasjoseph5876]

@@FancySpicyTuna Throw some carbon tax BS on top of that and literally, no one can afford to live there lol.

[@reginarainer9740]

There’s a reason there is now a saying “There’s no hate quite like Christmas Love.”

[@Cosmiccrying]

I’m so glad I grew up in a normal household with Christian guardians who supported and loved me unconditionally because “your safety and happiness means more to me then anything else” they supported me not believing and loved me still when I came out, as well as protecting me from my toxic Christian family members. My grandfather told me “I don’t understand it, I don’t necessarily believe in it, but if you’re happy and healthy I’ll learn and support you” he’s never once misgendered or deadnamed me. I love them so much ❤

[@heatherdickau5335]

Good morning Markee from Southern USA! I love it when you laugh. It makes my day.

[@wildfyah]

Lord some of these families feel cultish

[@morganleanderblake678]

30 year olds should not pursue teenagers. I will concede that sometimes a young person seeks out older people for relationships - I did, because people my age were garbage at the time, but that should be ONE WAY. Seriously. The older person should be prying them off and telling them they deserve someone at their stage of life.

[@sterngerlach9184]

In your case, you deserved "garbage"?

[@RageOfBeef]

​@@RisetoStrength because your creepy perverts

[@socialmoon]

​@@RisetoStrength It's not the age so much as the developmental gap that's an issue. A 30 yo dating an 18 yo is gross because of how easily exploited the 18 yo can be (& usually is) because of their lack of life experience & their prefrontal cortex not yet being fully developed. The 18 yo will accept shitty behaviour that a 30 yo wouldn't. When I was 28, I got involved with a dude in his 60s. That relationship fucked me up so much, precisely because of how manipulative he was, & the power imbalance. Looking back, I can see now why he never had much luck with people his own age - they wouldn't tolerate his bullshit for a second. Dating someone much younger was the only way he could get away with his nonsense.

[@jimmywattson2858]

Also out of curiosity why can’t people like this be named and shamed seeing they can shame the daughter and destroy her future this is something I abs don’t understand about Reddit.

[@WyntheRogue]

Double standards be real,yo! In a more serious answer,these overzealous camps of Christians have the "Rules for thee but not for me" mentality. Everyone has to kowtow to their rules, but if anyone dare calls them out on their BS, and frankly gross ,it's automatically seen as "persecution" in their eyes. In OP's case, it sounds like that cult...errm excuse me,"church" was salivating at the thought of justifying their misogyny in shaming their friend yet,no consequence for the guy who knocked her up. If anybody is to blame,it's her disgusting parents for thinking it's okay to treat her this way and not doing what a parent should do, giving the talk or allowing her to take a sex ed class [most teen pregnancies happen in states that don't allow for these classes] Here's hoping OP and his friend eventually escape these gross,judgey zealots [I say zealots as any good Christian would have been concerned and have given compassion. Jesus's BFF was a prostitute FFS and he STOPPED a woman from getting stoned to death and sparing her life.]

[@sandracox4341]

Which story? If story one I don't blame her. Her house she can invite who she wants to stay. This man child is mid 30s, he can move back in with his own family. But I guarantee his own family cut him out because of his behavior.

[@CannibalisticRapscallion]

If their reputations become tarnished, they can sue the person calling them out for libel

[@wildfyah]

Her parents make me feel violent.

[@SherriLyle80s]

S1: Oh honey... You are so delusional. No wonder your daughter is the way she is.

[@patty-pat-pat]

He literally effed her teen daughter and she's like 'he's not a groomer! He's a good guy! He hasnt been in trouble with the law since his mid 20s!'

[@LittleImpaler]

Not an asshole. Aaron needs to be in jail.

[@SCOOBYGD]

😂😂😂 Everything about this man sounds like trash. I'll raise hell is my daughter brought home an old convicted bum.

[@jaredstar]

What crimes has Aaron committed! by OP's own admission he hasn't been in trouble for years In fact again Opie has admitted that Aaron has been good for their daughter. Or are you one of those people that flies off the handle because of an age gap

[@keshaponso2034]

What for? For being a man that OP does not like who is CONSENTUALLY dating his daughter? You're toxic.

[@Kris-wo4pj]

​​@@keshaponso2034have thst same energy when your 17 yr old daughter comrs home pregenant with her 30 yr old felons bf baby. Ir were ya also prowling around middle schools for your next wife?

[@Center-For-I.E.D.Mismanagement]

​@@SCOOBYGD Mindsets like yours, are the reason why so many people with a criminal record are unable to find a reason to better themselves, let alone find stability on the outside.

[@beatapogorzelska1241]

S2 that pregnant girl's parents obviously emotionally neglected her .Girls from healthy loving families sometimes get pregnant out of wedlock but the don't choose crappy BFs.

[@mattiekarwin3667]

Reddit: You're exaggerating and lying. Terrible person. OP: Yeah.. I guess I am, my bad. Reddit: Oh so we're just sweeping it under the rug and pretending it didn't happen? Terrible person. Not saying the age gap isn't creepy, but the age gap is NOT why reddit was acting the way it was ^^U

[@charliesangel1]

The fact that the family is shaming this child for wanting an abortion and went and made a public announcement is wrong I want to point out that not all Christians are like that. Not all Christians are that extreme.

[@Kimberly_Sparkles]

Story 2: Trash church. Good OP.

[@Kimberly_Sparkles]

Story 2. The mother should simply move into a homeless shelter with the child. New York has decent social safety networks underpinning it. She'd get more help separated from her parents' home.

[@caxtillo9876]

I feel bad for the girl in story 2. Seriously how disgusting those people are.

[@sharyebethancourt3660]

That update to story 1 wasn’t reassuring. Did OP even write this? This feels like OP is being told what to say. Like, I don’t feel better at all. 7:46 I mean OP was just bothered by the age gap….WTAF?!

[@darecrise]

Ironically, it's national women's day in my country today. Hallelujah.

[@juliearmfield2634]

Isn't every day womens day. 🤔

[@kaylafuller8948]

It is the dumbest day I have ever heard of. As a woman and an anti feminist I think today is the dumbest day ever.

[@slothisasin8240]

​@@juliearmfield2634 Do you not know that 99% of people go through bad things regularly? "Women's day" mean nothing when almost everybody, including women, is suffering.

[@Center-For-I.E.D.Mismanagement]

​@@juliearmfield2634 No. Every day is for *everyone.*

[@neru1584]

​@@kaylafuller8948as a feminist I didn't even know it was women's day lol, but happy women's day guys :D

[@MsAnonymous1981]

I haven't listened to all of Story 1 at this point, but one thing OP doesn't seem to think about is that if daughter, manchild, and baby move in, at least OP can keep an eye on them. Often times clingy over-possessive men end up being emotional and physical abusers. Problem is getting him out when things inevitably go south. If he establishes residency, OP may have to go through legal procedures to evict him. I think it's worth it to keep daughter and baby safe, though.

[@laurenjones9924]

I wasn’t to reach through KZbin, Reddit, the Op, the church and just give that 16 year old girl the biggest hug. BUT, if anyone is ever in a similar situation (granted you’re not in Texas), you should always stand by that l poor child and be the helping hand. 1 more thing- for stuff like this, DRs are bound by their hypocritical oath to not discuss with parents if the child wishes not to. However, unlike in NY apparently, a lot of places will require parental cony for a surgical procedure, not the pill.

[@TuAmigoElMorrocoy]

It looks like OP was held at gunpoint to write write that update

[@redconvoy]

Story 2: Yeah take away her college fund so she can't do good by her child that she was forced to have. The parents are so stupid!

[@TheScaletIbisNW]

Your friend is an adult now. She has the legal right to put the child up for adoption and placing terms on who adopts.(for example, no religios nuts.) This poor girl is going to have a child she never wanted forever and the child will be raised by religious extremists.

[@rubymeaddle]

Aaron definitely trapped OP's daughter

[@mindyschocolate]

Should have used birth control. It was her choice.

[@HPgirl]

Story 2: "I am openly defiant of the church, and will sacrifice my own reputation in the church to help this girl, whom I don't even know that well. I cannot imagine why she confided in me." Seems pretty self-evident to me.

[@You_said_what1]

Me - why is OP changing her tune all of a sudden? OP - I’ve decided to let him stay in my home. Me - oh, you caved in. Got it. !

[@JasmynSundayrose]

1st story: wonder if the daughter saw the fathers post and then got her dad's phone and made this update. Cause that was a complete change from the first entry

[@jennilynne1977]

I love seeing you on the videos.

[@ttjc3696]

Story 01: that's how much I pay for a studio 😂😂

[@julesr6965]

the S1 update is creepy. is op alright?????? is she in danger???? the way reddit jumps to “actually, this 30 y/o with a criminal history that started dating an 18 y/o is fine!” doesn’t surprise me, but was a nice remind about the kind of people that congregate on reddit

[@susankaempfer8427]

Do we know if the rent situation in story one is true? Questionable SIL may have made it up in order to finagle his way into free room and board at OP’s place. Would love to see an update in 6 months or so…

[@cynthiasmith5671]

Sounds like the church I grew up in which is why I don't so anymore.

[@blazethedwarf4646]

I already hate story 2 as an agnostic coming from a heavily christian family (extended my aunts uncles and grandparents) i can confidently say there is always a point where the people of the faith make you question and even lose faith happened to me my grandma and my cousin who was raised in cathloc school

[@BonnieThebunny7051]

Story 1: something tells me OP didn't write that update.

[@JeanyyBee]

To be fair rent has gone up astronomically in the last 3 years.

[@ruaine83]

OP in first story sounds like my I mother in law. She hated me for no reason. Well, basically that I grew up blue collar, and she just didn't think I was good enough. My wife went NC with them because of this after giving them many chances.

[@tinywaterdrinker5136]

That daughter must have self worth in the dirt. Whats the point of getting with someone who's 10 years older and is so broke that hes homeless???

[@skyelindsey687]

Best advice I ever tell people is don’t go to church. Worship in the safety of your own home. Because if the Christian god really exists I highly doubt he’ll approve of a greedy organization that would rather you give them your last dollar than buy something to eat. And if you’re a Jehovah’s Witness run away as fast as you can before you need a medical procedure.

[@angelaa7388]

I'm so confused because if they went to a homeless shelter, their family would likely be separated anyways. Wouldn't he rather have his wife and child in a safe home while he figures out what to do?

[@pitviper2]

That update was not genuine. My guess is Op showed the post to the daughter and she threatened full NC unless they backtracked and made it seem like baby daddy wasn't that bad

[@EH-dw3wb]

Story 1 update is classic PR damage control. My money is on the guy finding out and someone posting to try and avoid his temper.

[@theroyalbugness]

Oh I love and miss that darling face Markee!!! 🇦🇺 🪃 🐊 it's uplifting and refreshing to my soul to see your face Markee 💜💜💜

[@littlestrawberryfaery]

Story 1:..... Op didn't write the second update willingly... That feels like Aaron held a 🔫 to op's head... Either the daughter or Aaron wrote the first story then started backpedaling when they saw nobody agreed with them or op is being held hostage...

[@wildfyah]

"He distanced himself from his former friends..." OP... elaborate cuz that update is hmm now.

[@ericab5181]

Good morning from Westylvania, USA. Op is not the asshole.

[@colleens1107]

Story one: did we enter invasion of the body snatchers? What the hell was that update? Was the daughters husband holding a gun to OPs head to write that?

[@Dragonemperess]

S1: No way he wrote that without a knife to his throat.

[@bridgetdebourgh5698]

Hey Markee!!! Enjoy your weekend 👍 Good Morning and have a great day everyone 👋🤗

[@CannibalChxrry]

Religious parents are so deranged. There is nothing more hateful than Christian love.

[@kelseybordeaux9206]

Not all,I grew up in a very loving Christian home. You're thinking of Jehovah's Witness. They'll straight up pretend their children don't exist if they leave the religion or let them die if they need a blood transfusion.

[@thomasjoseph5876]

A very ignorant and hateful comment. Thanks for showing us what kind of person you are. I bet like many of the Reddit commenters you also believe their religion is a "Death Cult" despite them wanting to SAVE the baby. Go crawl back under your rock. As a Disclaimer: I am an Atheist but I despise clowns who ignorantly and incorrectly put everything under one umbrella. Their Hate Umbrella.

[@CannibalChxrry]

@@thomasjoseph5876 as someone who grew up in Christianity, I know first hand how evil that cult is, actually.

[@CannibalChxrry]

@@kelseybordeaux9206 no, I grew up in Christianity. It's horrendous how they treat people.

[@kelseybordeaux9206]

@CannibalChxrry Than they were not true Christians and I'm sorry you had to live through that. I grew up with TRUE Christians that do not judge others and encouraged me to show unconditional love to those around me,regardless of their religion/sexuality/etc.

[@mog-gyveroneill2500]

OMG..the update on story one, just made my blood run cold. I was in an awful relationship, with physical and mental abuse. We went to a psychoanalyst together ordered by the judge, and I was absolutely honest with EVERYTHING. Later, my ex physically forced me call up the Doc, and retract everything, saying I only said those things to get back at him. Of course the Doc knew is was bs. I'm actually scared OP has been threatened, and redacted what she wrote, because of what he might do., Or it's not her writing this...I feel physically sick. Does anyone know if they are alright???

[@helenBeaton]

That is not the same person writing the UPDATE. The style has drastically changed and the writing style is different. Something is not right with this.

[@teresabrewer4052]

I thought Markee was saying pasta not pastor..lol..took me a sec

[@tamarak.8800]

Hope someone linked that OP some ex mormon sites, they seem to be at a point where they got a good chance to get out of the cult.

[@jbgra2566]

First OP is giving me general Krull vibes lol

[@strawberrysangria1474]

Story 1: OP just about backtracked on everything they said except for the age gap. Unreliable narrator or not, she's about to regret everything by letting a person she dislikes live with her.

[@Frostfern94]

Story 1: Op are you okay?? Are you safe?

[@Dichotomy68]

OP of story 2 will not see this but what OP should do is bring their (the parents) dirty laundry in front of the church and watch them backtrack and squirm

[@pelicanlogs4782]

As a christain, if you force your child to have a kid, you help. Christianity is supposed to be about absolving of flaws, and being a good person. Unfortunately churches have done a loooot to twist and corrupt the original intent.

[@namayra299]

That update was from OPs daughter for sure!!

[@soupisgood44]

The word: Pastor Markee: PASTA!

[@kateemma22]

That's standard pronunciation of Pastor in Australia. Ironically the word 'pasta' is pronounced closer to the American 'Pastor'.

[@stellamccoy5259]

S1. I have to agree with other commentors. OP did not write this update. Sounds like two very different people.

[@kateajurors8640]

The age gap alone when they started dating and the not stayed together without breaking up for longer than a year are all huge red. I almost feel like that message was like holding a gun to. I'm kind of a thing like maybe the daughter's husband found the post. And they were going to lose contact with their daughter and future grandchild and their daughter was probably going to be on the streets so they back petaled.

[@SaturnSenshi3105]

Thank goodness back to normal gray shirt Markee the world is equalized again

[@CreditR01]

1 - Feelings about the daughter's relationship aside, OP has the right to not want that kind of pending disaster in their house. I think the terms are fine. NTA for that, but their wording was really bad.

[@doodleydoo169]

“Shouldn’t have dated a worldly person” are they Amish

[@kateemma22]

It's a phrase also regularly used in cults like JW, Mormonism, and some very strict Catholic churches.

[@asherikamichaela8425]

​@kateemma22 I'm getting JW vibes, but then that might be due to the fact that my family is part of that cult. I'm very much not and never was, thank fuck. They kinda hate me for it.

[@ZahinDenatrose]

This is disgusting she let her child get taken advantage of

[@RexieG]

Story one, your house your rules

[@ondank]

Story 1 : OP is dumb. Like full dumb. That full retraction is absolutely incredible

[@godbearxd]

This is what makes me nervous about having a daughter because if I was ever in this situation he's not moving in no matter what. My door will always be open for my children and grandchildren but not necessarily their partners. If they choose to ruin their lives because of that oh well. I don't really care what the correct protocol is for abusive relationships I really have no tolerance for stupid people.

[@moodycrab77]

Love you, Markee darling

[@2Bjaded1]

Imagine being a billionaire and the pastor asking to see your tax forms so that they can properly gauge 10% of your salary to the church for "tithing" because "God" demands it.

[@k3upikachu]

Story 2 was def written before roe v wade overturned. "It's not illegal to give her a ride" 😬 is not true in several states more