I took Grey Knights to a 40K Tournament. It was a mistake.

[@last2nkow]

You think GK games are slippery and tricksy now, wait until you play a mirror match GK vs GK. No one dies, everyone teleporting every turn, and suddenly the melee begins and the whole table is covered in the most brutal stories of brother fighting brother since horus was in his stompin' boots.

[@Slaave]

“The only way i could save the game is Gotcha-Hammer….. so anyway I started blasting”

[@binnsi2251]

GK so broken we were a bottom 5 faction before last data/point slate. Doubt our points decrease will get us much higher.

[@mellvins0059]

I mean art of war put them A tier on their tier list but go off

[@binnsi2251]

@@mellvins0059 Iam sure some hyper competive players can Reach A tier with them, but most players will be C or low B tier I reckon. If our detachment gave us a damage boost of some sort, specially vs monsters or vehicles, then I could see high B or A tier. Which could mean S tier for hyper competive players.

[@builder969channel6]

Do take into account that those are the competitive rankings, a setting where everyone is playing to win so their gonna take the best stuff they can whereas in casual settings they might perform better just depends on where your playing really

[@mellvins0059]

@@builder969channel6 grey knights don’t have that many options. It’s other armies with huge amounts of data sheets that are more affected by more casual lists

[@Leithener]

@@binnsi2251 ye, it's more of a "easy to play, hard to master" army. If you know how to use them well, you will be a serious threat on a table, but before that you will be able to kill some, but most of the time you will just lose hard.

[@SC1ENCEP1E]

Playing in a store league. Death Guard player was dead bottom pre slate, was a shame. I got them 1st game after the slate. Got absolutely pumped and death guard now in the final next week 😂

[@dittmar104]

Grand father protects

[@UnexpectedInquisition]

Yea, GK is my main army and I keep saying this. We are really good vs certain armies and play secondaries well but there are certain enemy we simply cant deal with whatsoever, and one those sort of builds (lots of monsters or tanks) we simply get DPS-checked out of winning sometimes, especially if they can block us from objectives and prevent us playing secondaries. Mathmatically impossible for us to kill a tyrannofex in cover, for example. Bit nonsense. We needed +1 AP for psycannons at minimum to have a prayer at killing certain units with max attacks over 5 turns of a game.

[@ClumsyOrcStudios]

I'm glad you enjoyed it mate. 👍

[@kylewells6871]

The predators are there litterly for the lasconnons, entropy cannons are st10, so its nice to have the st12 ranged attacks, same with the brigands. Plus 10" move its very helpful for contagion range.

[@kylewells6871]

I see, so the only thing that affects the "saving throw" is benefit of cover essentially, so the ignore modifiers won't ignore cover but since dg degrades the save Characteristic you can ignore that, makes sense. Here's a question about typhus now, eater plague ignores lone op right? Because it's not a ranged attack, it's a psychic ability which is technically a psychic attack but I don't think it's categorized as a ranged attack. And when typhus makes melee attacks and kills anything non vehicle or monster does that res poxwalkers? I believe it does because it's worded when a model in this unit destroys an enemy model return a poxwalker back to the feild.

[@sliven21]

I bought the GK combat patrol a month ago (I just started WH and I thought the looked awesome) and it’s been sitting in the box while I’m trying to paint all these space marines I have lol

[@borisgelauff6507]

Great explanation for me a noob, on how to use the grey knights. Thanks for that 😄

[@HellstormWargaming]

Any time!

[@jean-philippecarrier2216]

GK are really really fun to play indeed! but as you said, it's really difficult to kill big monster or vehicles... However Kaldor Draigo is a beast in a paladin squad ! you should try it (you would have one shot Moration with his 2+ anti demon with the radiant strike stratagem, giving you mortal wounds on a 2+ hahahaha :) 100% agree on the Grand master in nemesis dread, he sould hit on a 2+. He is the only boss/captain/commander in all warhammer 40k hitting on a 3+... It's really BS... Give me a GMNDK with a 2+ to hit, and give the army a little more lethality agaisnt vehicles, and GK are in top tier

[@TheYendukua]

You’d still need 6s to get devastating wounds off on morty

[@BIFInvaider]

Anti-keyword makes your rolls on that specified number a critical wound. Which translate to devastating wounds when you get that keyword

[@jean-philippecarrier2216]

@@TheYendukua as bifinvaider said, x+ anti something keywords mean you get a critical wounds on this number, meaning that if you get devastating wound on top of that, you combo this and get your devastating wound!

[@TheYendukua]

@@BIFInvaider 😱

[@theodorheidhues2566]

I had a similar experience with my grey Knights me, I have been playing my friends and still have yet to lose with them 7 : 0

[@Katalmach11b]

I pulled a Mists of Deimos earlier today about peed myself laughing. My opponent was floored. It put him real out of position

[@sebastianmenconi6853]

It doesn't matter if you ignore modifiers to the save characteristic. When you throw the dice you get the -1 anyway because it specifically applies to saving throws and Valoris does not deny that

[@HellstormWargaming]

I would still be -1 to dice if there was AP, but the Death Guard Save Characteristic modifier is ignored :)

[@sebastianmenconi6853]

@@HellstormWargaming scratch me, I checked and you are correct. My friend played It as -1 saving throw, Imma beat his ass now

[@HellstormWargaming]

Go get him tiger ;)

[@kylewells6871]

Yeah this made me think about that one too, I thought it was -1 to saving throws but since it's a characteristic it can be ignored, cheeky wording by GW. Makes sense tho to be fair. Gotta pay extra close attention to every word

[@Soundslikeauproblem]

Once people learn how to deal with GK Itheir win rate drops away pretty quickly.. Eg. If the second game dude have parked all his vehicles in the middle. Still fun to play and can score secondaries but def an army that people can “figure out”

[@orangeblack1285]

Yea, the teleport stuff might be powerful, but its the only tool we really have.

[@gloriadubois266]

You can use it to sticky objectives before your command phase starts if you don't put them into reserve

[@boomcat1337]

i just found this channel.. what fantastic channel.. never laughed so much hearing about a tournament !! sub

[@HellstormWargaming]

Welcome! This was pretty tame compared to my normal antics 👀

[@S.A.S.H.]

What are those coloured base additions on your Grey Knights? Are STLs available?

[@HellstormWargaming]

Squad markers, available at HellstormWargaming.Co.Uk/shop

[@S.A.S.H.]

@@HellstormWargaming thanks!

[@humansRpepul2]

10 terminators with a chaplain can also goon a vehicle. We also have great OC.

[@orangeblack1285]

2:14 what are those brightly coloured rings on the base are for? Just unit differentiation? But if so, why not around every unit group?

[@HellstormWargaming]

They’re squad markers, available at HellstormWargaming.Co.Uk/shop

[@tk2166]

And that’s why I love playing GK! Shinanigans!

[@IamtheWV17]

Playing my first game of 10th over 1k tonight..... against GK... I'm playing ynnari.... I'm expecting shenanigans beyond imagination

[@gawkthimm6030]

@HellstormWargaming What I would very much want to know is; when do people begin selling 3D printed copies of official GW models online for cheap because they has been serial printing them for re-sale, I mean if you can buy counterfeit watches, clothes and cars from China why not GW warhammer miniatures?... I'm one of those people who cant feel any sympathy for giant corporations loosing a bit of profit. Especially one with as bad of a customer friendly reputation as GW has. Also our Intelectual Property laws are archaic and not consumer friendly, so I dont respect them.

[@novice7T7]

Bro will procreate dreams be able to animate a play fight based on your personal minis on a real match 😅

[@Oldaccount57548]

Next tournament take a thematic blood raven army and play like it’s DoW lol

[@UnNamedPotato]

The little clips on the bottom of the minis around the 2:20 mark, I assume those are to mark enhancement? Where can I find them?

[@HellstormWargaming]

Hellstormwargaming.Co.Uk/shop

[@sliven21]

You get these people in every game. Always chasing the Meta. And some lucky people have enough money to do this with every change.

[@HellstormWargaming]

Who is meta chasing sorry?

[@sliven21]

@@HellstormWargaming I wasn’t implying you or grey knights :) my bad. Just in general when you see a lot of the same armies.

[@67coda]

Hilarious video!

[@sirken2]

isnt an easy way to stop this from happening is making your Strat cost more with confusion from a callidus?

[@dominikscheller2269]

Nice report of your tournament. Is it possible to see your list?

[@HellstormWargaming]

It’s in the description :)

[@dittmar104]

Predators are super cheap and were only being slept on all across chaos and imperium due to the forge fiend and lancer. Death Guard struggle with speed lascannons help that due to their immense range. Predators are also one of the only options in the army for strength 11+ weapons, others being hellbrutes twin las cannon for 140 and a land raider 2 twin soul shatter cannons for 240, or a defiler. Predators get a much higher volume of shots and movements over a hellbrute and have a smaller silhouette than a land raider or defiler. They’re also great into brigands which half of chaos allies in.

[@joshuasebo5712]

Sigil of Exigence isn't a issue to a shooting army.

[@jonathanko5471]

Mis-ruled Truesilver Armor, Morty doesn't protect characteristics of the attacks being made by models, just the model's characteristics themselves. Maybe your TO ruled it the other (wrong imo) way, im not sure.

[@KevenRand]

actually it does at the he protects all his characteristics including the characteristics of the attacks as they are still the models

[@jonathanko5471]

@@KevenRand that's not how GW rules it, from experience at NOVA

[@jonathanko5471]

@@KevenRand I believe by how GW rules it, DG could also degrade the grandmaster unit's bs and ws, since those are weapon attributes and not model attributes (if DG chose that plague)

[@HellstormWargaming]

We played it as ignore modifiers and it sounded like an AP modifier at the time. Something to think about :)

[@kylewells6871]

Number of attacks, weapon strength, ap, and damage are all characteristics on the datasheet right? Therefore they are characteristics of that model thus you can ignore the modifiers to them.

[@michaelhband]

👍👍👍❤❤❤

[@byrongotcha]

Just heard Aiden talk about the tournament. He said that final game he was missing 4 of his secondary cards that accidently got left at the previous table. They all had very scorable secondaries in it. Consider your self lucky you loyalist puppet, Papa Nurgle was preoccupied with something else obviously

[@alexrowson-brown6568]

You took GK and came third how the fuck is that a mistake?

[@supremeovernerd]

was it 10th edition?

[@supremeovernerd]

in my limited experience, GK suffer worst against heavy armour, their melee and psyker phase can be strong

[@supremeovernerd]

getting a land raider for my GK next tbh for this reason

[@HellstormWargaming]

Definitely 10th edition :)

[@ashardalondragnipurake]

loyalist marines being completely broken yet again 40k really is just a joke

[@doguipreacher]

Are you physically unable to pronounce the letter T?

[@HellstormWargaming]

I’m from Yorkshire. No.

[@thagoodstuff777]

The modifier thing with Morty and LOV is faulty. Morty Fucks ups all the modifiers even what the LOV is giving. Dude cheated u

[@HellstormWargaming]

Mortarion allows you to ignore ANY or All . Sounds pretty clear that you can pick and choose which ones you are effected by :) not cheating at all

[@kylewells6871]

Keep the good drop the bad, thats how it works.

[@chrislognshot]

so got cocky and you thought what was good. so you took the gray knights and got owned

[@HellstormWargaming]

Did you watch the video? I didn’t lose 🥵

[@arthurthegreat3714]

It's true I was there, he got owned. Then he went berzerk and pulled out the Eldar.