I tried and ranked EVERY weapon in The Finals SEASON 4 (Tier List)

[@ronin_fps]

I'll be updating this comment if future balance changes effect any of the weapons this season! CHANGES SO FAR: I might've been a bit unfair to the LH1, and I could see it getting moved up to A tier. The main reason I find it not as optimal is mainly because the pike exists and is a strong counter to it, but the gun itself is still pretty good. - Model got a nerf but I don't think it really changed a whole ton meta-wise. DPS is still insane on the gun, you just have to be a little bit closer - and in some ways, it's even slightly more forgiving. Still in the same tier. - Pike got nerfed on November 6th, and it’s a pretty big nerf to the effective DPS. I’m not sure if it’s A or B tier now, but it’s definitely not S anymore. Requires further testing. - Sword was also nerfed and requires more testing

[@restinluis]

i love u

[@Thymister]

They could make revolver 8 shot and long rage capable which would defenitly fix it

[@nickdangelo1970]

Model 1887 was nerfed. The bullet spread opens up more so you do less damage at range.

[@ronin_fps]

@@nickdangelo1970 yeah I saw that, upon playing with it further I really wouldn't move it's position. DPS on it is still incredible, you just need to be a little bit closer with it.

[@LaithNazar]

clicked on this video to skip to see the full list but ended up watching the hole thing, great vid

[@AbhinavVerma-l6v]

Same😂

[@dreadhead6219]

Me too lol

[@Evilbotftw]

same

[@WritingthingsIlove]

What hole?

[@nicholasjonas5684]

Same

[@Vortx110]

Thanks for supporting the finals community 😄

[@galadrinihrinor4863]

Man the grenade launcher was my emergency button for sword lights now its just a suicide booth

[@ronin_fps]

mmmm yummy self damage

[@Zlittlepenguin]

Yeah swords are too strong lol

[@galadrinihrinor4863]

@@Zlittlepenguin imo light shouldn't have the best long range and the best close range, pick one

[@Zlittlepenguin]

@@galadrinihrinor4863 to be fair they nerfed most of their long range stuff lol

[@galadrinihrinor4863]

@Zlittlepenguin light is still the only class with a long range weapon of that capacity medium should have the bow and heavy get a barret or something

[@sjoerdderks4731]

2 things: 1, the SR-84 is a map depended gun, it can really shine in monaco but is dogwater in Las vegas 2, the 93R feels actually good this season, hipfire improvement gives it some consitantcy it need it

[@nauvir2046]

I agree with the SR-84 argument. I mostly play with XP-54 but always have my SR-84 on reserve. Not just map dependent, but more Cashout dependent. With 2 conditions: 1- It has to be out in the open (obviously) 2- If it’s already ours and I’m just defending. Having to steal the Cashout means your teammates will have to try to steal it while you’re far away, which is a no no (unless you have really good aim). As for the 93R, hmm.. I like what you said there, will give it a try

[@jaydennguyen-xk1yo]

Sure it is map dependent but it is just not versatile enough in close range to be useful. As for the 93r it doesnt matter what they do the gun is outclassed by xp54, m11, and v9s by far

[@PK-wo4vo]

I played against someone who was using the 93R yesterday… they dominated the lobby with it surprisingly. Makes me want to try it out again!

[@Ry-pn2hy]

I can’t help but agree with the streamer. I’m sure as a light sniper player, the experience for you is much different than your teammates. But the fact that it has the slowest TTK in the game, paired with how far away you have to be from the objective, makes it the weakest link in any team.

[@meboz67]

True about the 93R. I have dominated lobbies with it recently. However, I still think a sight would put it in line with the rest of the light weapons

[@Delta-l87]

So glad you made this video I watched ottr’s vid and that left an awful taste in my mouth this is a great tierlist

[@ronin_fps]

I respect the grind but he definitely did NOT play much this season LMAO

[@frscary]

@@ronin_fpsyes let alone he took a fat break from finals cuz his homies stopped playing haha

[@3bdoo37]

I mostly agree but LH1 seems better than xp now People forget that u can spam it and get shots consistently even at far ranges, u just have to hold down (easy recoil) It has better ttk than pike on medium and heavy but it feels worse because its on light and u melt vs a pike user If medium can choose lh1 it would be more busted than pike

[@michaelludlow626]

I've been using it since the beta it has always bewildered me when someone puts it in anything but S or A tier throughout most of its existence it has had basically the same TTK as the XP 54, technically better TTK if you hit your headshots but with the added benefit of range

[@chadharpicenjoyer8591]

@@michaelludlow626 im shit at lh1 any trick do u like fire slowly or smthing so it doesnt recoil much

[@michaelludlow626]

@chadharpicenjoyer8591 at long ranges, yeah, fire slowly or bursts. Otherwise, you just have to master the recoil

[@s_vsb2382]

No one can take away the feeling of beating models and swords on close with the SR-84.

[@camerondavis6659]

Absolutely goated music selection in this video

[@Quest4Tube]

I like how all the tier lists are a little different. Which is good imo.

[@johnex2154]

Amazing video! Not only caught me up with the meta since I haven't played in a while but also giving a breakdown of each weapon (and other related changes) helped a ton in deciding what I wanna play. Keep up the great work!

[@emissaryofthecows3389]

I used to main Lewis but the nerfs in s3 drew me into becoming a bonk main with sledge. Now the Lewis has been buffed but now my aim is so bad that I can't go back. Mt only choice is to dedicate myself to the smash stick

[@jovaneliasnadal9129]

You can literally just aim train again? wym only choice

[@Webly101]

@@jovaneliasnadal9129it's called a joke my guy; it's like when a lightbulb burns out in your house, the only real solution is to get a new house 🤷‍♂️

[@Gaetan.N]

Thanks for the tier list, very helpful for players who do not play a lot consistently, embark always comes with nerfs and buff it’s always a surprise haha

[@Galendramatik]

Very informative! Thanks man.

[@DangStank]

I feel like dual blades are just one bad buff away from becoming insanely busted.

[@gumbowallace]

i think no matter what, the dual blades will never be busted because medium just isnt a good class for melee

[@DangStank]

@@gumbowallace I think that’s why both medium melees come with a block mechanic. Since they don’t have a gap closer they had to build one into the weapons. But to be more clear. The blades wouldn’t even be OP in melee. It’d be the deflect that could become busted. If it was more accurate and/or had more coverage, you could end up with an enemy you are just literally not allowed to shoot.

[@peskurs]

What do you mean no gap closer (pad + zip)

[@DangStank]

@@peskurs I think we talking more about mid fight gap closer. Like if a guy is across the room from you.

[@lochnesserl8654]

​@@DangStankyou can still shoot their feet

[@mattappl3119]

Melee weapons are in a weird place in the finals. The best advantage melee has against actual guns is ammo, but in thr finals thats not a thing. So theyre kind of in a palace for me where they can never truly be op, but can always be trash

[@ronin_fps]

It's a weird balancing act tbh. I also notice that when melee weapons are too good, people get upset so that's also an issue

[@Zlittlepenguin]

@@ronin_fps people tend to get upset when the regular guns aren’t the best option, I’ve noticed.

[@Nunuchee]

@@ronin_fps Yeah you can get like 25 kills with the pike and it's "fine" but get 15 kills with the sword you're guaranted someone will either ragequit or switch to sword out of rage. People get really mad when you beat them with melee or off meta weapons.

[@MrArmas10]

They’re good on Power shift

[@mattappl3119]

@MrArmas10 Okay, that's fair, but the objective is a small platform, so I guess Melee is more viable there. Outside of light and their mobility, I can't see the other classes making solid melee builds

[@verify5610]

Been using the bow a ton this season and it feels great so far. I wish it had slightly better damage or faster draw-back but it still does pretty well in ranked. I'd argue it's actually light's best counter to a pike user because you can somewhat easily win a peekaboo battle depending on how good the enemy is.

[@rosedawg4584]

I think if embark made the spear throwable it would make it s tier 100%

[@LeemerTheProto]

Is love that instead of the spin just give the throw a like

[@LeemerTheProto]

5s cooldown

[@GolemOfMagic]

As a heavy mgl main i think the mgl has one of the highest skill gaps for a weapon in the game anyone can pick it up and do some damage with it and can be a chaotic force but to be accurate with it and fully understand the bounces and timing of each shot and how the environment will effect your shots.

[@reverieguy5578]

Great vid! I’d suggest making the A tier weapons your Average list since it’s a third of the weapons.

[@phatandlazycow9284]

Do you guys think the finals could incorporate a parry (interaction based defense) button? I think the melee loop may need more options for both parties to help flow.

[@HeavenRoadV]

Amazing thanks. Subbed. Im new why do you suggest the dematerializer with the model?

[@ronin_fps]

It helps you close distance by letting you go through walls. The model is a gun that is also very good when peeking around corners, and with demat you can effectively make your own corners. Goo nade is also pretty good with the weapon as well

[@tbovvy]

I was in your world tour game earlier GGs bro you were the goat !

[@charlio0903]

as a medium main model, pike and famas are my beloved (light) bow, m11, xp-54 (heavy) akimbo, lewis, and hammer

[@Chuggs1798]

I heavily disagree with the AK being at A. I still think its the best and most consistent option for medium, especially after the adjustments to the Pyke recently. Losing 4 bullets is a good enough trade off with having red dot now. The only gun I would put above this currently is the deagles. AK still shreds and feels like way faster ttk than any other options. Great video!

[@lim8]

The sledge and revolver are defo my faves, real great if you can use them right

[@purp1e200]

The flamethrower needs to be way higher. I've won countless tournements with that thing. If the enemy team likes to stay close to eachother, the dmg of the flamethrower is basically tripled or doubled since it has AOE , so the dps is not as low as people think.

[@soundsofrelaxation2259]

Ya i agree, S tier in the right hands, B tier as an average weapon. I destroy lobbies with flame winch

[@pentastealzirl]

I feel like this is what us forty yr olds needed. Its not the gun, the game is pretty balanced right now which is so so rare in my life time. The other tier list are dog shit Subscribed! Keep it up

[@Asdee14]

Great list, honestly not much to argue about.

[@FennKitFox]

you can tell how embark has been treating light class lol, S tier has 2 Heavy weapons, 2 medium, and 1 light, wheras D tier has 2 light weapons and only 1 other medium weapon, not to mention multiple light class weapons in C.

[@K_Obradinn]

The FSCAR is much better now since Embark slightly buffed it’s recoil, but I think Pike is still strong after the nerf, the 50 damage with no fall off and the scope is just crazy

[@hamishdeshaun921]

I'm not saying you're wrong, but I am saying that I've yet to see a single person consistently hitting shots with the dual .50s. The bullets just do not go where you aim. I've even gone back to look at footage to see if I'm just missing my shots, which sometimes I am, but it's really hard to like a weapon I have on video in multiple occasions just not hitting someone with a crosshair on them at pissing distance.

[@atmn_clef]

Seeing most of weapons in A tier (Very good) makes me happy, it means that most of them aren't broken or unplayable (except for meme weapons i suppose) I suppose that is what you want as a game dev, having all of your weapons to be viable

[@SarielTheRealOne]

I just like the detail of d tier meaning "needs buff"

[@Lt_deathgun]

Does someone else think it would be a cool idea to give the flamethrower an alt attack where it like shoots fire balls for more range? There are even multiple ways to approach this. Make them deal less damage or let them use like 5 ammo or make it that they have to be charged up for 3 seconds or so.

[@locallyric9013]

Idk if its just me but I feel like compared to every other gun I am fighting the revolver to aim properly like maybe im bad but I just struggle to reset my crosshair and land consistant shots with it, I love the gun so much but it feels like it shouldnt be this hard to use, and I really like 93R its just feels weak compared to other light guns like what makes it stand out imo is the hipfire but the dmg is so weak like a water gun

[@ronin_fps]

It's the muzzle climb on the weapon (revolver), it often blocks the target you are aiming at for a split second which throws off your tracking

[@NjutNjut]

@@ronin_fps Plus the red dot is actually offset from the actual shot trajectory.

[@thekingofgoldfish]

I would put MGL32 at least on B Tier. With Team wipe potential from one mag and charge and slam deals with close range, can create space, and just more unique angles with the destruction potential.

[@jameschurch2441]

People be sleeping on the dual blades, they have a huge skill floor but once you pass it they are so satisfying to use

[@timelapsedfox7731]

Similar to sekiro lol

[@nomoredpk1366]

BEST tier list right now for sure.

[@joeknap10]

Great vid dude

[@alohame5582]

Mostly agree with the list. I would put CL 40 higher, while riot shielf and spear lower. On behalf of riot shield mains: flamethrower is not a hard counter, but a very tough matchup. Sword, nade launcher, charge are harder counters. Pike is in a strange spot. Lower than 50 damage woulf be worse LH1, while above it is a better LH1 which id a bit stupid. It woulf make much more sense for it to be a worse LH1 since light is supposed to have the best weapons, not medium

[@RoadRunnerOW]

finally after all the heavy nerfs and other changes light actually feels viable and not just "i did good but woulda done more on the other roles." that is until the pike exists

[@wendellbryancr6536]

Hey bro! Can you make a tier list, but about the gadgets, by the way good video ✌🏾

[@ronin_fps]

yeah I'll probably do one at some point here, got some other vids I want to do first but it's on the list

[@riverinafritsch2573]

I do disagree with Riot's placement but only from the perspective of a Riot Main who understands what makes it B tier at the moment. It shuts down models and pikes pretty easily and can just tank flame throwers by blocking (the flame thrower damage is blocked but not the DoT effect) allowing it to turn flame throwers into easy kills for the Riot's teammates. Riot is now also a direct counter for Heavy's Deagles, M60 and Lewis gun in addition to the SA1216 it has always countered, it also counters the KS-23 and MGL, the main issue Riot actually faces when You're good with it is lights can simply run away from You. Riot Shield's in a pretty good place now that it 4 taps heavies and blocks winch and can instantly kill freshly fibbed mediums imo.

[@hyperplayability6290]

Honestly even after 2 weeks the dagger change still feels like a nerf... They could have easily made it so that the old attack stayed but you could also hold the backstab as an option Riot shield has the most hard counters out of any weapon in the game still, as well as the worst TTK out of any melee :/ Sword's still hanging in there, but is suffering a bit from the dash nerf still in terms of sustain (So is bow :

[@hectivecurve]

I agree with the dagger change feel. Used to be my main weapon till the change. Not being able to run with it while charging makes it feel like shit.

[@breakerboy365]

love the riot shield but I will have to agree about your comments about it's lack of versatility in high skilled lobbies getting the jump on panicked enemies is never not satisfying though

[@JuiceManJ91]

Im finding a ton of success with the LH1.. it is a struggle going against the pike but doable now that the pike was nerfed. I find that when going against good Mediums that use the model, I can’t use either of the smgs or its insta-death. Unfortunately, the model is everywhere right now. The LH1 keeps me far enough away to counter them properly.

[@Progtics]

ngl my favorite weapon this season is sword. although it may not be the best, it is soo fun to use

[@demetrioshill8484]

Do you think controller affects the viability of any of the weapons?

[@Ic3Man_Gaming]

Man.... I so badly want the 93r to be good. Such a fun feeling gun but trying to actually have to get kills with it is so rough. They seem really reluctant to give it any flat dmg increases so ive kinda landed on just give it an extended mag. 21 bullets just isnt enough for most engagements. Additional stuff they could do that arent damage is make this the only gun that has the same accuracy in air and on the ground. I think that could be a really fun identity for this weapon as "the movement gun". Or just give it a site of some sort, though i dont really think it needs it as the gun feels great to shoot as is.

[@xannyfrommars1897]

9:26 *nerf

[@swagman556]

id put flamethrower and s1216 in B tier but yeah i agree with the ranking

[@Stalky_YT]

For me the V9S doesn't feel good anymore, I really liked to learn to master the quick tap and tracking at the same time, and being punished because of other players using macros or scroll wheel just makes me sad. I'm ok with the damage reduction if it really needed a rework if they increase the RPM tho, but make it shoot a bit faster Embark, for PC users with Mouse, even with regular click it's really slow to use after the most recent patch imo

[@Schniblogg]

Miss my old solo pistol so much

[@MattLanquist]

So because of medium getting a precise weapon there is no point for precise weapons on Light or Heavy; Because the medium one is better in every way? The Pike really hurt the way this game plays match in match out. There is too much DPS at all ranges with the only counter being Heal beam which is on Medium. Medium is Busted !

[@bebo7298]

That's a decent tier list my friend 🫰

[@sagerulez]

We NEED a lewie scope!

[@RideTheSkies]

it didn't get a scope? surprising tbh. it's the type of gun that def should get one. It does have arguably the best iron sights in the game though, at least to me

[@FredHarris-wr6de]

Comparing the matter to the model is ok, but saying you should switch classes to play a better pump is insane. It’s meant for light, higher fire rate and more ammo with a quick reload. In my opinion it’s way better than the double barrel idk if u haven’t played it a lot or smith but it’s so good

[@ronin_fps]

I meant it more like “if you’re looking for a shotgun with range the model is the rangier option”, not so much to switch classes. Mb if that wasn’t clear

[@tntcraze8157]

Im going to say this as a melee user who uses mainly melee weapons. The duel swords are stronger than you think they are. Especially if you use them correctly with the right gadgets. If i need to explain i can. But dont underestimate a duel sword medium. they CAN wipe an entire team. Oh and the .50 akimbo does not deserve S tier. it has one of the least TTK on heavy.

[@ronin_fps]

ehhh, MAYBE plat and below but a dual sword player would be absolutely demolished in diamond-ruby. I'd put money on that tbh, they need to increase the hitreg and give medium more tools to close distance melee wise for them to be viable in higher tier lobbies. But in the video I did mention there will always be outlier players who do well with bad weapons, but in general there are better options

[@SoLunxr]

Explain both

[@aryanrana9860]

I need explanation sir, I am trying to play duel swords and your guide would be immensely helpful for me

[@isaakstrong2204]

GREAT! GREAT TIER LIST, my opinion, but don't compare guns from different classes, your video but, when say ranking the Lh1 you immediately compared it to the pike, obviously the pike is better, but say a lightly only player wanted to know how it compared to other light guns and not having their gun compared to another class, then again you video and I still found it super informative

[@Minecraftyoutuber27]

i'd put bow, and cl in B and spear in D, sides that i agree with the list

[@memelord1625-1]

Yeah im not a big fan of the dagger changes, used to be able to consistently drop kills in the teens using dash but now it's a miracle if I can even hit ten. Probably could be good if they still kept the old backstab when you just tapped right click but could hold it if you held down right click, unsure as to why they didn't make that an option.

[@AmberVera-r3y]

Bro dagger is one of the best weapons for light class!

[@TheRatMan84]

Nice vis bro

[@IzzeTim]

After my powershift matches tonight im gonna have to disagree with your "needs buff" for the sniper 😅

[@MeeMe3moOMoo]

I LOVE THE DAGGERRRR

[@Spockability]

Seems like you need to add + and - to your tiers

[@akiame72]

anyone know what song started playing when he was taking about the AKM? I swear I've heard it before, maybe undertale???

[@ronin_fps]

Deltarune, hip shop

[@Progtics]

how did the pike get nerfed? dmg nerf?

[@treharnejacques8719]

Yeah big one too

[@ronin_fps]

From 58 down to 52. Mostly effects heavy bodyshot TTK and medium over long distance, but it still shreds through light

[@Progtics]

@@ronin_fpsit really needed that nerf imo

[@keeganturner07]

theres literally 0 reason to use fcar over ak the ttk difference is literally like 1/12 of a second

[@Evo_THEFINALS]

Thank you!

[@wildaNpc]

5:17 where are this vid? ;-;

[@IrieVibeSender]

Nah I main hammer for two seasons if your talking eliminations only, not point of this game soly, but I'm pushing 10 to 15 kills per match and up to 42 kills a tournament win with hammer. Hammer is strong if you play it like it's supposed to be.

[@davitdavid7165]

The 1216 is so much harder to use than the flamethrower that it is just worse imo

[@ronin_fps]

It's a bit harder to use but if you can figure it out the thing does super well - there was a reason it dominated the highest ranked levels last season and not the flamethrower, it has some of the highest dps in the game. But flamethrower is a lot more accessible so some people might prefer that.

[@maxvonwitzleben4564]

Glad people think throwing knives are meh 🤫

[@NobleThorne]

They fucked over the heavy class's wrist shield. I was really good at timing turning it on and off. Seems like the devs really don't like the heavy class. No real nerfs for the class abused by the aimbotters the most though.

[@doctorevil444]

The revolver should do more damage but have less range than the pike, it's not rocket science

[@Kalani-Tf2]

Flamethrower and Mgl in c tier is crazy, they op

[@ronin_fps]

With flamethrower you just need to back up, and with MGL you just need to get close or take height. They might be tough to deal with at first but once you start facing them more often they become super easy to deal with! :)

[@floran20]

Silence. Bronze player is speaking

[@undzad]

bot detected

[@Magix98]

Do I hear Persona 4 music in the background?

[@3-dsqewelton361]

i’m not proud to say that i’m most successful with the flamethrower😭

[@ShinhoL-q8g]

Sword would never be A tire in ASIA 25K above rank. Envirioment has less controller and this weapon lower DPS and HUGE risk. Hard counter by slam, stun gun, dash, jump pad and glitch trap or mine, M1887. Maybe middle B, and S tier in casual game. I think revolver is better than Fcar, Fmas is bast AR in this game, I think every aim-great player would agree with me. LH1 is definetly A tier or above. Sniper and 93r are batter than most of C tier weapon. A best dagger or spear player would never get the higher rank than someone who have great aim and play 93r or sniper, that is carzy.

[@OmniscientPC]

I thought with the M60 buff it finally beat out the Lewis gun in TTK? Did I hear wrong?

[@ronin_fps]

Unfortunately I believe it is still (VERY slightly) behind. Ease of use wise it's a little better but it only beats Lewis on Medium headshot TTK (I believe) EDIT: Just double checked, it has a .01 second advantage on lewis on medium headshot TTK, otherwise it is behind on everything (except light bodyshot TTK being .72, which is same as lewis). But the difference between the two is not THAT big of a deal and should only really matter in the highest of ranks

[@OmniscientPC]

Wow thank you! I love number crunching in games and wish weapons had more easily accessible stats in the finals 😢 Where did you find those numbers if you don’t mind me asking?

[@ronin_fps]

@@OmniscientPC have I got something for you docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Ud7Rdl3AgMw9mmfDwW2LtDMnzZQ9IIhnqSE4ivsaMTs/edit?usp=sharing this is a list of ALL weapon TTKs by Zafferman, he updates this pretty much anytime something changes

[@OmniscientPC]

Ronin = GOAT

[@SoLunxr]

​@@ronin_fps who's zafferman?

[@treharnejacques8719]

Would putting the revolver to light be a good idea? I dont see it ever being good with medium since the pike is just better, but with moovement, i think it would make a decent option, maybe even needs nerfs

[@ronin_fps]

I think light has enough guns right now tbh, what it needs is for pike to be brought down a bit or a range extension - also maybe reduce muzzle flare

[@treharnejacques8719]

@ronin_fps but if light had the same amount of weapons would it be? Because I don't see the revolver ever be good simply because of the class playstyle, the only way would be to crazy buff it's range which I don't think is their plan for it, they wanted a close to medium range weapon but every assault rifle will be better.

[@ronin_fps]

Honestly, maybe. I hope medium gets some sort of a combat roll, and that would help out the revolver and especially the melee weapons on medium

[@treharnejacques8719]

@ronin_fps yeah but imagine the backlash and problems that would occur, I thought of maybe like a sprint but you can't use your weapon, like an octane stim or a soldier 76 sprint, would fit the light class better is the problem, doesn't even fit the medium playstyle too, just me yapping

[@Zlittlepenguin]

@@treharnejacques8719I mean light would have the same issue. They already have the lh1

[@R0yalGaming2000]

I can tell you are a persona fan!!

[@timotheus7845]

the v9s is not an s tier weapon anymore

[@KahliberZero]

Damn, I know people people hate snipers in this game, but bottom tier really hurts man 😂😭

[@ronin_fps]

It's not that I personally hate snipers, it's just with all the nerfs and the effort required to do well (team wise) with the sniper, there's almost always better options. I'm actually in the group that thinks it needs a buff lol

[@Zlittlepenguin]

@@ronin_fps yeah they need to revert the change they made. That was the most baffling nerf lol.

[@SoLunxr]

​@@Zlittlepenguinit sucks to fight in PS/TA

[@SoLunxr]

​@@ronin_fpsmaybe ban it from PS/TA

[@ronin_fps]

I’d be fine with that honestly, defib isn’t allowed in TA so I wouldn’t mind sniper being banned. But imo as long as you have a mesh shield or the new pike it becomes a bit easier to deal with

[@ryan-ih5bq]

Nothing feels super fun and exciting atm

[@skirfanazimahmed1326]

Is it just me or the LH1 feel wayyy better without the scope, like my aim is just better

[@ronin_fps]

You might not be used to the sensitivity scaling of the scope as it’s not the normal zoom factor, I use iron sights on a lot of other guns for the same reason

[@agentcat118]

The pike is the love of my life, I haven't been the same since I got it

[@ElectroAde]

Hey, congrats on getting position #500 🤠 Signed, position #410

[@GeGeza]

KS-23 A tier is not ok. Wo utitilising construction breaking that gun not worth it at all

[@RideTheSkies]

Yeah. I would put it B. It's high risk/high reward, even more so than the other single fire weapons. If you're a god who doesn't miss and hits dashing lights every time, it has a really good DPS 😂

[@marcellusbianca]

I dont think mgl needs buff i think its in a good spot

[@SoLunxr]

Not really

[@marcellusbianca]

@@SoLunxr what do u think it needs

[@SoLunxr]

@@marcellusbianca a rework

[@marcellusbianca]

@@SoLunxr it's good rn if u practice it

[@Zlittlepenguin]

Things I would change about your tier list in my opinion: Lewis gun: definitely not s tier. This gun still kinda sucks. The m60 is ten times better. It’s great that it has better ttk and range on paper, but you can’t really aim well with it due to the random recoil it has. B tier. Th fcar: kind of the same deal with the Lewis. On paper it’s good, but the recoil is so bad that you’re better off using the other assault rifles. B tier. Sword: the sword is overpowered. S tier. Xp: this gun isn’t that competitive anymore. You kind of have to mag dump to get a kill now, and pretty much everything will kill you faster. B tier. Ks: way too slow reload and you have to be way too accurate. It’s really an unforgiving weapon. B tier. Lh1: I dunno why you’re so down on this one, it’s easily one of the best weapons light has right now. A tier. (Though I’m tempted to put it in S) Cl-40: this weapon is useless now unless you direct impact which is tough in a game with so much verticality and movement. D tier. Mgl: kind of the same deal only worse. This gun is a joke. D tier. Other than that I pretty much agree though. As a side note: this week has kind of opened my eyes to like the way the community feels about some of the weapons in this game. I was always of the opinion that it would be ideal if we could use any of the weapons in this game and be competitive with them, but apparently that isn’t what the community wants. I thought that the cl-40 was in a pretty good spot other than the self damage before this recent update, but the whole community hated it. Which makes me wonder how the community would feel if they buffed some of the other “annoying” weapons. I mean I guess the throwing knives kind of went through that a bit last season. I dunno, it’s just a shame. It would be cool if we had weapon variety in the game, but it seems like people just want standard bullet weapons like the ak, the xp, and the Lewis gun to be THE best options at all times. It’s unfortunate imo. Awe well lol.

[@ronin_fps]

this is something that is well known in game development - if a player dies to something, they want to be able to think that the reason was due to skill and not something dumb or unskilled. So weapons with no reload (throwing knives) weapons that don't require aim (melee weapons) or weapons that don't require good aim (grenade launchers and flamethrower) will most likely be disliked by people if they are good. Another good example is current stun gun - it's really not that amazing (except for cashout denial), and a good player will usually win the dps fight with the light unless the light has very good positioning. But your average player will just think "I can't move or use my abilities! This is OP!" Even if it's not. It's about annoyance most of the time.

[@Zlittlepenguin]

@@ronin_fps yeah it’s just unfortunate because it means that since my skill level is above average (not trying to be that guy lol I’m just saying…) I get matched in higher elo lobbies which means I won’t get to experience most of the weapons in the game most of the time since they’re not competitive… I get it man, there’s a casual side to the game but it’s unfortunate.

[@ronin_fps]

I go into power shift to warm up and see some wacky builds (and use some too), might be worth a shot every once and a while

[@ОлексійР-ь8ю]

93r have most faster ttk on submachine gun in light build.

[@thecatmanyes]

NGL I just realized I wasn’t subbed Mb chat 😅

[@j0rin]

lh1 in b 💀

[@petertihomirof4472]

cl40 isnt C tier, need more nerf

[@lol-p3x]

I will put M26 in A. The 8 ammo allows you to peek and poke a little bit Then you can decide to chase with dash or not.

[@TackzoFN]

Xp 54 should definitely be S tier

[@ronin_fps]

Pre nerf definitely, but now V9S beats it in pretty much every single category, especially DPS. Still a decent weapon though!

[@TackzoFN]

@@ronin_fps the recoil is good though

[@Thedefenses]

@@TackzoFN The 93R has excellent recoil after its buff but its still a bit shit.

[@Kuptofity]

V9S after nerf is definitely not S tier, its trash now, essentially 10% dps nerf, same amount of shots to kill medium while being 1 click per second slower than previously, so lower TTK. So shit weapon to use now, they completely ruined it. And the slower fire rate is so boring and not fun. I hate it so much.

[@SoLunxr]

Relax

[@JokerChany]

it really aint that bad. being able to scroll wheel people and absolutely drop them at most ranges was busted. this just makes you actually have to aim and be consistent rather than just cheese through

[@sjoerdderks4731]

@@Kuptofity it felt weird at first using it after the change, but I adapt and made 20 kills that round. (It was quickcash tho)

[@Kuptofity]

@@SoLunxr nah, its not about balance, they changed the feel of the game that I dont enjoy now. Had played since open beta but this made me uninstall. Will check after some time if they changed their mind on this stupid decision.

[@Mohamedbacklike12338]

I agree it just need more effort to get a kill vs heavy and meduim