I TRIED FREEDOM UNITE

Before I tried freedom unite , the oldest MH I have played so far was Generations ultimate. Playing generations ultiamte was a bit unfair "experience" wise because I was getting carried throught out the story - here in freedom unite - I decided to go solo to experience the old world.
#MHFU #Capcom #FreedomUnite
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[@DopeyDopes]

Remember when you need to prepare properly? Pokke-ridge farm remembers.

[@redragon1990]

150 failed boss tigrex quests because i didnt know about dodging

[@kurosan0079]

Back when bombs actually made a huge impact. Now, it's weaker than a TCS lmao.

[@siei3i37]

@@redragon1990 I'm gonna assume you were a kid or somethin

[@ashurad_fox5991]

Yup, farming monsters for dash extract, pale extract, kelbi horn, sap plant, bitterbug, godbug for about 3-10 quests/moga forest... Before finally fighting the urgent quest. Like "wait wait village chief, let me just get my farm ready as well. That monster causing problem in the village can wait" (meanwhile the whole village is panicking)

[@palchenrigsel540]

@@redragon1990 tigrex gives me ptsd

[@KamonXV]

What made the past games "Feel" better is the sense that I was actually a Hunter whose job it was to hunt monsters for the village. I wasn't some hero, wasn't part of a huge army, I was just some guy doing his job. I have to plan out my hunts, make sure that I prepared everything, made lists of things I needed to gather along the way, payed attention to monster behaviors and if I ever failed a quest it was because I was under prepared. The newer games are fun but the heavy focus on combat takes away from the rest of what the game has to offer. I enjoyed playing worldborne and rise is great but they aren't really favorites

[@kurosan0079]

Man, the atmosphere in the older games were so much better. You already mentioned the whole hunter as a job part, but I want to talk about the environments. Specifically the swamp areas (aka. the best ones, don't @ me.). The fog, the tall grass on area 8, the gloomy colors. Freaking amazing, man.

[@abelortiz8093]

Agree. The game is reaching more and more gamers and that is the problem. The new MH games was done to reach quantity (more money to the company), no quality as it was; and they know that. Pd: more combat skills, super hero movements, better graphics etc is not quality

[@VVabsa]

@@abelortiz8093 It's a double edged blade. Capcom can't keep using old gaming engine or they would fall behind or will definetly hit a wall where they cannot improve on the old formula. The shift towards more fast paced combat can be great if they designed the monsters like that too. The hunter in newer titles has more advantage against the monster when in earlier titles, it was the other way around (most of the time).

[@AysarAburrub]

@@abelortiz8093 Quantity and Quality are written with Q .... seeing them written with a C made my eyes bleed >_>

[@abelortiz8093]

@@AysarAburrub sorry i need to improve my english grammar. Thx for the correction ;) I will edit it

[@ShatteredGlass916]

- Remember when inventory also included monster carves? - Remember when crafting requires 5 Crafting Books (which took up 5 space in inventory) to make a rarer item, otherwise it'll turned into Garbage? - Remember when Paintball is a thing? - Remember that you have to locate the monsters first, throws those Paintballs, hoping the monster didn't 'washed it off away' (Congalala can remove Paintball marking), just to mark the monster? Even then it didn't last more than 10 minutes - Remember when you almost marked the monster after 10 minutes searching, only for them to fly away to some random area? - Remember when Whetstones and Close-range Coatings are *NOT INFINITE*? - Remember how annoying Bullfango dashes are? - How about Genprey's Stunballs? Ioprey's Poison balls? Both of them btw staggers or trips you - How about Vespoid's constant Para Stings? - Remember when the requirement for High-Rank to G-Rank is an Arena Quest with 2 Rajangs? - Remember when Black Fatalis and Crimson Fatalis were High-Rank quest? Not G-Rank? - Remember that Pale Extract farm using Khezu? - Remember when Dark Caves drains your Stamina, while Desert and Volcano drains your health? - Remember Lao Shan-Lung?

[@gallixypegasuss1546]

Tf is a Lao Shan Lung? Some kinda boring ass Chinese pair of lungs? 👀

[@nuke2099]

Those were the good days.

[@ShatteredGlass916]

@@nuke2099 personally for me, not really lmao. The monster tracking in Rise isn't the best (you just kinda knows where they are) but in MHW it's amazing and felt 'natural' in a way. You gathering tracks, and as you get more tracks, you can locate the monster easier

[@awesomesauce5974]

Remember the Alchemy Guide? Remember the Lightning Rods? The latter were quite fun to use

[@kurosan0079]

@@ShatteredGlass916 I also love World. I just wish it didn't have an infinite restock camp. Just took away most of the prep to just push you straight to the action. That's the one major gripe I have with it.

[@redlunatic2224]

The thing that most people seem to ignore when speaking about these old games is that they also had drastic changes from game to game. That's what makes it worth it to play every entry. I wish people had more appreciation for how much the devs are willing to do to keep things fresh instead of constantly saying the old games were better.

[@reploid001]

they want to feel, & let it be known to the world, that they're the OG players

[@AysarAburrub]

@@reploid001 it's not our fault as "fivers" that we never heard about Monster Hunter as early as some of these "OG" players, and how could we, these games werent well-marketed and in some cases even sold in the west. Being an OG player means absolutely nothing.

[@Circenn]

@@AysarAburrub it means nothing to you it means a whole lot to another person. This whole comment chain is just a circle jerk. People want their own opinion to seem like the right one. The fact is opinions have no right or wrong, they're just opinions.

[@AysarAburrub]

@@Circenn nobody here is saying "im right" or "you're wrong". We're just voicing our opinion about the mentality that some of these MH veterans have. You're free to think whatever you want, nobody here is trying to prove anything to anyone.

[@Circenn]

@@AysarAburrub and you voicing your bad takes about og hunters makes you just as bad as the og hunters that voice bad takes about new hunters. Again, this comment chain is just a circle jerk. Y'all are allowed your opinions ( i never said you can't have one ) but holy fuck dude, you're just making yourself worse by attempting to defend yourself with the last reply. You stated your opinion, now let it go.

[@tobiasrex8052]

Ah, yes.. the good ol Freedom Unite. With The Huntsman's Intro always lights that old hunters flame In my heart. Thanks for reminding me I got to play this magnificent gem on psp back when I was in high-school.

[@unlichtprime]

The reason why this game in particular feels so nostalgic to me, is because I literally spent dozen of hours with my friends in ad-hoc online play, after school sitting next to each other with our PSP in hand, just playing Freedom 2, the immediate predecessor to Unite. Unite had this neat feature where you could take your Freedom 2 savegame and just continue playing wherever you left off in Freedom 2. It just added its story continuation and new monsters, new weapons and armor. However, truth be told, this game has aged very poorly. In comparison to the succeeding games Tri, 4 and Generation or even the newer Monster Hunter games, it is beyond clunky. The visuals even back then were nothing more than meh at best, but Monster Hunter never been about the graphics. I probably wouldn't want to come back to it, maybe just for a few hunts and see some of the monsters you don't get to see in any other iterations of the franchise, but that being said, this will always remain my favorite Monster Hunter game.

[@user-on6wc8oj9u]

This was a love/hate relationship game for me. Will never forget how the desire sensor never gave me heavenly scales

[@legofab]

That and also the 2.0% drop rate

[@unlimited971]

Sweet sweet rath rubis run & pain

[@carltasticdrew9633]

“This is the worst game I’ve played! Oooh, this the best video game I’ve ever played.” - Dunkey, probably

[@palchenrigsel540]

For me the desire sensor hates machalite ore

[@nekomancer4641]

monster in the old gens are definitely slower and more predictable. I think the perceived difficulty mainly comes from the DPS limit of the hunter making the quests sometimes a competition of endurance, and the add-on challenge for melee classes to squeeze out the last bits of damage openings by figure out the extreme of hitboxes and positioning.

[@xShadeThePyromaniac]

Not quite... While hitboxes are definitely a factor, Old Gen MH was *A LOT* more Punishing than the modern games... I'm talking Rathalos Backhop Fireball doing 99% type shit. What made the old games difficult is that while the Monsters were relatively predictable, they did far more damage than any modern game. If you were playing Melee Especially, This forced you to learn individual weaknesses for each monster and each of thier attacks. And even when you did know, you would have to EXECUTE on that knowledge... Because if you didn't, come G Rank fights would literally be impossible to clear. The fact that I can clear A monster I've never seen before cartless in newer games does in the opinion of myself and many others heavily decrease difficulty... I won't deny that older Monster Hunter games had much Heavier and Much Clunkier controls. But the game appeared to be balanced from the outset around the tools you and your weapon might have. Monster Knowledge and Preparation was key to clearing ANY Hunt, they aren't afterthoughts. Gathering and Farming was Emphasized as ot was the primary way to get materials and upgrades. These games truly were a breath of fresh air to most action games at the time. And that's the main reason they are remembered so fondly. Punishing but everything that was seemingly Unfair could be learned. That was the philosophy of the older Games. And while knowledge was important Execution was just as if not more so

[@nekomancer4641]

@@xShadeThePyromaniac bro, I appreciate people who writes in paragraphs... But not like one paragraph for every sentence...

[@xShadeThePyromaniac]

@@nekomancer4641 it's mostly to make it easier to read, some of these are Sentence fragments lol

[@Neuhier]

@@xShadeThePyromaniac I think a lot of people forget how your own clunkyness in the older games made you more vulnerable to the monsters too But I also think the experience we gained from the older games just straight up made us better players who of course have a harder time dying to anything even if it's a new monster Why would we too? We've been going through these learn processes already and are more cautious overall

[@AcediaIX]

@@xShadeThePyromaniac the fact that you can clear monster you've never seen once caetless is proof that you've played and cleared past Monster hunter games, you now have the experience. I started at Worldborne and tried GU for the first time, I've never seen almost all of the monster there but thanks to the styles, especially the broken adept dodge, I never carted at first until high rank where I immediately and unknowingly accepted a special permit, I thought it was just a variant with a higher damage but oh boy. Redhelm, Deadeye, Dreadqueen, Snowbaron, and hellblade gave me absolutely zero trouble but the others were one shotting me. Well, eventually, I finished MHGU, both village and hub, all solo(the pain of playing in an Emulator) Went on and tried MHFU and oh my fawkin gawd, I had a hard time figuring out all the hitboxes myself, and carted me for the first time, in all the monster hunter game I've played, Tigrex never carted me but FU Tigrex just straight up said "Fu" to me

[@samueljanke4835]

Here's a long one from a vet: Played all of the monhuns since the first freedom, skipping only Gen on switch. Even played portable 3rd, the japan-exclusive portable title. I love all of them in their own ways, but I do have to agree with the "older is harder" crowd. The biggest factors for me were seemingly lower drop rates on rare mats; having to properly prepare between hunts; finite whetstone, and needing to maintain paintball throughout hunt (if you don't have certain skills); QoL movement options; hyper-aggressive small mons; inconsistent hit boxes (Plesioth's hips for example) and crazy scaling on monster damage. Further, late game monsters like White Fatalis, Akantor, Ukanlos and the like were absolute one-shot machines unless you were completely kitted in endgame armor and knew how to fight them nearly perfectly. I haven't found another hunt in any of the subsequent games to give me the same challenge as these boys. That said, I think Capcom went in the right direction with removing things like paintballs and finite whetstones. What I don't agree with is being able to fast travel to camp and completely restock/re-kit mid-quest. When before you had to consider the strengths and weaknesses of every monster in the quest, and equip/ prepare items accordingly, now you can just cheese your gear. There is no longer a sense of hesitation or caution going into a tough mission, since you can change absolutely everything on the fly. I used to craft a wide variety of viable gear for the occasion of being stuck in an awkward multi-monster hunt. Now I don't even have to think about it much. It's better suited to my adult life/adult free time, but not as thought-evoking. Wirebugs are really fun, so I won't complain about them. The mobility is very freeing, making moving in and out of combat fast and easy. Monster riding on the other hand, while very cool looking, deals way too much damage and stagger (especially early game, when your gear still sucks). Wyvern-on-wyvern can drastically change the course of the fight. The spectacle of turf wars is amazing, but the automatic burst of hundreds of damage, broken limbs, a dozen loose free crafting materials, and multiple knockdowns kind of rub me the wrong way. Super helpful for the hunter, but I feel like the hunt is kind of robbed from me to a degree. In Freedom, if two monsters were in the same zone I'd be terrified of getting flattened and have to dungbomb one away. In Rise, two monsters are in my area and I breathe a sigh of relief? Meh. Kind of betrays the gravity of staring down two massive beasts. Not saying it isn't enjoyable, it just doesn't help new Monhun in the 'difficulty' arena. Let's take a look at a fair quest comparison with Four Horns. This is a high-rank quest thats been in just about every iteration of monster hunter since 1, and it's always a required quest to get to your urgent. Old: Unscaled guild quests, limited paintballs/whetstones, no restocking mid-quest, tiny zones with little to no escape routes, no turf wars (both simply aggro you if they're in the same zone), the same type of middling, high-rank gear as you'd have in basically each of the games. This used to be a nightmare-fuel quest if you don't have three friends with you. Online matchmaking didn't exist (without a third-party convoluted method we won't talk about here) so if you didn't have the IRL friends, you're doing it yourself. Let's look at Rise: Quartet of Horns; Virtually unlimited resources through camp restocking, constant monster tracking althroughout the quest, monsters scale down in health and damage if you're solo or you can easily hop online and play with randos, the same type of high rank middling gear you'd have by this point in any of the games, wirebug mobility, wide-open spaces with plenty of ways to dart out of combat and climb to safety, Diablos vs Diablos combat dealing hundreds of damage for you and taking one out of the fight, wyvern riding for more damage to each of them, small mobs barely touch you. --------------- The argument above outlines why the newer games are definitively, mechanically easier and more approachable. I do not mean they're inferior, in fact they're far superior in almost every way. What we need to realize as a community is hardship doesn't make for a more enjoyable experience. New Monhun is still plenty challenging to new hunters, and its still plenty fun to play. Hard != good. Monhun is good because of the addictive gameplay loop, not because of the high degree of difficulty. My biggest and really only true gripe is the camp restocking cheapening the 'prepared hunter' vibe.

[@Sh4de_]

As a 3rd Gen Hunter who very much so enjoys the new and old games , I fully agree. Very good take.

[@Zero-ds9ws]

This is a pretty good take. I will say however: there is a common misconception regarding scaling. Monster health does indeed scale to player number, but the damage doesn't. Monsters will oneshot you if they can whether you're in a group or by yourself. Doesn't invalidate your points at all though, very well articulated.

[@TyrsFire]

Yeah i don't like the restock as well , i mean you have big areas With tons of resources, a big inventory with separate bags for different items ( no longer your 24 slots for EVERYTHING) faster gathering animations (you can pick items while runing!!!), auto craft stuff, simplified crafting (less materials required and no longer % for succed or fail to craft) and all this IMO its cool but its a waste cuz you can just go to a camp and thats it. I still play like old games btw and it solves that easily and its just fantastic that feeling and the need to know the map not for fighting or finding monsters routes but for gathering materials when i'm in trouble. Its fun like old games, the only thing i don't like and i won't ,it's clutch claw, tenderize even the mantles are broken, also now you can get almost all buffs and armor abilities with 100% crit and a lot of dmg and its easy to get and no penalties for getting those abilities. No more strategy and sacrifice in building.

[@upsidedownmachiatto2670]

I agree. Re-stocking for me makes sense but not fully. Should be a finite amount and gear alternatives limited the same. It just makes sense in my mind especially if I think that the world is advancing. MHFU was my first game and I don't miss the tedious bits one bit. Only played MHGU now as a proxy to the old games as I wanted to validate myself. I only really understood how MH worked when I played World and Rise. To people saying Rise is much easier, probably to some degree, but going back now to the old game setup, I realized that it took me the same amount of time to end low rank quests. I just didn't realize it before. Also the if you forgot to eat you need to abandon quest means nothing to me. If I died or forgot to eat, I turn off the game and try again. That way I don't waste resources. It maybe an extra step from Rise but it's all the same to me at least. In both cases there is no actual penalty. No lost of materials or money.

[@francistein8409]

wirebug wouldve been more acceptable for me if the monsters also got huge update on how they deal with the hunters. back on old gens FU for example, if you make wrong decisions you get punished for it, like if you get greedy and then the monster slaps you into a corner, it gives me that feeling of "oh sht i fcked up big time" and then i panicked like something how it would feel like when you get cornered by a beast in real life. now every area in rise is so wide you hardly get cornered and even if you do you just slide away with the wirebug. hunters also got a loooot of air movements this time and the monsters dont really have anyway of dealing with it. example is cheesing with helmbreaker. returning monsters did even had a huge update to their movesets so upon facing it even at first time you already know how it would move. also, just like you said wyvern riding is just loads of free damage. its fun, yes but that adds another layer of unfairness for the monsters together with the new wirebug mechanics. i dont have problems with turf wars because it adds immersion to the game, its just that in rise areas are just too damn wide you dont get mixed up in the fight and you just sit back and watch them do damage to each other 😅. in short, if they plan want to give the hunters more freedom, more cool looking moves and mechanics, im all for it yknow but give the monsters something too because its a monster hunter game. you go and hunt "dangerous" monsters and there should be some real danger to it otherwise the game would just become like a generic hack and slash game.

[@MrAllansito]

I started my journey in Monster Hunter with Freedom Unite, since then I love MH, became a fan for life!

[@rektexcalibur5254]

Freedom unite was my first mh game, that village bgm brings back so many memories

[@carlcalderon5558]

EXCITED NA AKO! Ang, your one of my top favorite monster hunter content creators and this freedom unite series teaser left me hyped. I'm look forward to not only your monster hunter freedom unite content, but also to any of your monster hunter content or any game in general because you make great content. Keep up the good work!

[@Mountain_Dandy]

I haven't seen your videos in a few months, this came up in my suggested and I had to watch. I hope you do more commentary like this.

[@gnaryamanobe]

Will love seeing more videos on your experience with FU. Looking forward to it.

[@CakeofPokke]

I've been waiting for Bata's MHFU content and he delivered! Thank you for giving it a shot! I am so glad it grew on you and you seem to be having fun. Would we get to see some MHFU speedruns from Bata in the near future? I'd love it if you made some hunt videos in the old world. I'd watch the heck out of those 😁

[@tenfeettall9579]

I spent 1500 hours on this game and I never realized you could collect dung from the Farm Popo!

[@skylergaming243]

Lol me too

[@ninjosh2810]

Yea lol

[@sagenerd419]

Same!

[@johnecaldre3704]

I had this on my psp with almost 2k hours invested in it when i was a kid. Now I'm 29 and the new MH universe seems so much easier compared to back then. I still remember having to cheese the kezu at lower ranks cause that shit would hit like a truck. I do miss using adrenaline +2 and heroics and one shotting almost everything in the game. ahhh the memories.

[@hermitcard4494]

I had almost 1500 hours :)

[@rainqueens1731]

Bro you know how use skills?i only know defence back then haha

[@Raglandguy]

I hope after Sunbreak they dial things back a bit to slower gameplay. I feel like lately the hunter has been leveling up to super saiyan levels but the monsters have not.

[@dokidoki5850]

I hope they will make some changes for newer title. For quality of lives revert back the fighting styles back to how they were on older game (3rd gen were the best) with some tweaks for newer weapon while retain the aggresiveness and versatility of the monster that were found on later game so it feels real. As for the rest (gathering, farming, combining, item consuming) just use the one that were introduced and used since mh1. Palico and palamute (no dash) can be used but u have to choose either one or neither n can only be bought after u reach certain quest. N i hope they buff the dmg n increase the aggresiveness of small monster like apceros bullfango, velociprey etc as well as giving them some additional skill.

[@francistein8409]

@@Raglandguy yeah thats my problem with rise. it felt so easy with all the new mechanics while the monsters didnt rrally changed much. rajang for example had a huge downgrade and he was so easy to hunt. the game now looks and plays cooler but its lose that static feel from a monster hunter game that i grew up with and love. sometines rise feels like a devil may cry game 😅

[@kitstorm5326]

The old games were harder because of game mechanics - the monsters being predictable were absolutely necessary given how much health one mistake took off. When you mastered the monster mechanics so that you could kill them perfectly it was so satisfying...

[@ikki_asura]

Ah MHFU, my first monster hunter and PSP game, Love the village theme too. Wanted to play lbg but didn't liked it back then so i used LS and hammer up to portable 3rd and skipped to MH World to play bowguns. Glad ya are playing it lolo!

[@tempestzephryll9365]

Oh man I remember my memories of Pokke Village, I was stupid with short a attention span back then, I didn't even know there was a village quest. My dumb ass went straight to the Gathering Hub with my Chain Blitz and Mafumofu armor tried to fight a Khezu needless to say this Hunter learned to dodge that day after 30-40 carts of that quest, I still get flashbacks every time I hear a Khezu Scream

[@Mountain_Dandy]

You should do a whole time travel series and talk about each MH. Dope content

[@yoshida.azumi.]

I remember back in the day when I was a complete noob, crafted a wooden plank as an LS with paralysis, and just prayed. Yama-Tsukami is quite the experience. Could never beat White Fatalis. I sometimes wonder if I could beat it now, but I'm way past my prime, and while I probably could now, I've no energy to pursue him anymore. Nice video. Kudos. ;)

[@Dan-wh6fz]

Ahh yess, good old FU. I still remember the quest that you need to deliver 5 popo tongue, that was terrifying

[@mortadafardan2267]

Really glad to see you enjoying the game bata.

[@chocolat-kun8689]

The Pokke Village BGM and Pokke Farm BGM speaks to you "Welcome home"

[@bryanpd6882]

I rage quit on the first tigrex quest… i regretted using dual blades…. But i returned, this time, learned the art of archery, I even learned to hit kusahala daora’s head with an arrow even if it is covered in wind armor, releasing pierce or rapid arrows without aiming, and my favorite move - the backshot - hitting the monster as it charges passed by you (mosnter not on the screen), so you wont waste the time you are charging. Each hunt seems daunting, i bring all i could carry, LBBs, SBB, all sorts of coatings, traps, even bring mats for crafting spares. I climbed the ranks as bow main. Hunts sometimes last near the time limit. I again reached a bottleneck, Akantor. Cant kill it within time limit using bows. It forced me to learn hammer just to get pass Akantor. I crafted a higher tier bow then hunted Akantor with it. My regret is that my memory card got corrupted by the time i unlocked Ukanlos. Ukanlos and 1-horned devil Diablos are my Eleanors.

[@peepeestorm3187]

I have nothing but positive memories about this entry but I NEVER want to play it again as an adult man. I know the tedium and immensely user-unfriendly bullshit will taint my precious memories of this game.

[@krzysztof6591]

Exactly. It needs to stay in memories, and as such, not forcing you to remember all the sadomasochistic stuff that Capcom implemented.

[@nuke2099]

@@krzysztof6591 That's MH1 not MHFU.

[@antiVen]

I started on this game bro I’m glad you played

[@LimeNoKi]

nice to see you enjoying the classics bata

[@emti29]

played this when i was in college back in 2008, oh man! i feel old now.

[@capttragedies9283]

Bro I'm literally playing this as I'm watching this video this is great

[@alvinyolo12345]

Old world farms >>>>> Tried replaying MHFU but unscaled hub quests took so much time solo. :(

[@YoichiMutou]

that's Pre-World for you, no scaling for single player on Hubs 😅

[@NewGen7988]

Quite a good choice Ang, It was my very first MH game.

[@potatochips6972]

When I finished this series (Only the VIllage HR and Guild HR solo), I went on and tried Portable 3rd and GU. I Basically cheesed P3rd and I just need to get used to GU's Hunting styles and finished it relatively easy as well, and its all thanks to my experience in FU.

[@unlimited971]

Welcome back home angbata. I mzde hot coco with kirin vznillz crisp

[@painsenpai01]

(MHW/IB is the ONLY MH i've ever played). Now thats out there,when you said you hated MHFU at first but then gradually began to like it,that reminded me of when I first started World a few years ago and had the same experience

[@BlurredVision18]

Older games can be taken with a more "turned-based" approach, once you figure that out I think the MHW has more difficulty in actual combat, but it's everything else that make the game more forgiving. Mantles, ease of gather, ability to restock items at will, having perma food buffs every hunt, going in full prepare every time with little prep. In Freedom Unite/4 Ultimate I had to spend two or three Paw Pass quests just to get enough resources to craft enough potions and ammo, which were finite for that hunt. And if you fail, you had to take the time to prep once again. That kinda tension made my first time successful hunts more memorable.

[@kurosan0079]

That type of difficulty is sorely missing from the new games. You can throw me all the insane combo, one-shot, and AOE attacks and I'd still think the old games are more difficult, simply because it's more multi-faceted. It's not just about the fight, it's also everything that comes within and without it. The prep, the item management, the resource limitations, how the food buffs used to work, how the skills used to work, even the the map are all challenges on their own. It was amazing. Nowadays, where the challenge is concentrated in the fights, while everything else is pretty much handed to you. It's fun, for sure. Way more fun than the old combat system. But it's just not the type of challenge that made the old games great.

[@DarkCT]

@@kurosan0079 I think i get where your coming from on this. things that some find tedious have been removed and the fights individually have become the focus. the thing is, if you loved what others find tedious then it's just not the same for you. it's an overall difference in design and rhythm to truly prepare for a hunt back then than it is now. Im definately an MHWer, a Fiver for when i began to really play the series seriously, but my actual first game in the series was Tri. I played the HBG of it's time, stumbled over myself, and got a very bad impression. wish i had given it a better shake when i was younger as sea stuff is my favorite thing, and maybe i would have discovered Monster hunter over all sooner, and been quite the different hunter. MHW's infinite restock changes so much between gens, on it's own, and my focus and interest in builds like mass sticky, bombardier, and perhaps even to a certain insect Kinsect attack primary in world would all be less viable without worlds ease in this regard. but I also feel bad for missing out on things like Tri when it was new, and never hearing about 4 ultimate until much later on.

[@kurosan0079]

@@DarkCT Yeah, you'd really need to have someone tell you what old Monster Hunter was actually about. Or else you'd come with unfair and inaccurate expectations. It's something Capcom never really tells you in the promo material. You'd have to talk to an actual fan to really know what you're getting into. They're games where everything is a test. Not just the fights. And I think I speak for a lot of people that the hunter sim-like experience is what we wanted to share way back when. Not the action-oriented games we have today. Oh, and you can still kind of get that same experience with World if you just flat out refuse to use the restock feature. You can still use the camp for healing just like how it used to work. If you ran out of stuff, just run around the map and get materials. It's as close as you can get to old school in that game. Did it myself on my playthrough and while not perfect, it's not too bad. (And it really baffles me why they even added that feature in the first place when restocking mid-hunt is already so seamless!)

[@DarkCT]

@@kurosan0079 essentially the monhun you wanted to show to people didn't exactly arrive as you liked. I get why some say it's lost itself. thats not even the only way you can get a similar experience in world. all the Arena fights, both with your own gearset and precanned in their own ways in a sense deny the restock. also to certain extents Kulve, Safi, and Alatreon also all force you to work with just what you have on you at the time due to time restrictions or lack of recall. Personally, im glad for the option to have infinite camp restock and gear swaps, as all my favorite ways to play MHW either more heavily benefit from them than most (sticky), or probably wouldn't function at all (mass bomb). doing my kinsect primary weapon run in MHW:I without being able to swap staves or kinsects in the field for certain fights would have made it even more trouble too. what bugs me about MHW was how some systems they also added felt barely implemented. the slinger had so much more potential than it was given i feel, as an example, but was.. perhaps intentonally held back.

[@kurosan0079]

@@DarkCT Oh there certainly are quests that give you some sort of old school experience, but those are only on some parts of the game. Meanwhile, denying yourself the restocks entirely can be applied throughout the whole game's run time. And I can definitely see the fun factor of the restock camp, allowing you to essentially play however you want with unlimited resources. But to me, idk, it just feels cheap? Like I'm cheating the game somehow? It's hard to explain. It's like playing chess, but you can just replace pieces that have been taken by your opponent. The cost for messing up doesn't really feel like a "cost". You lost health, you healed, but you didn't really lose a potion for that hunt, because you can just go back in camp and refill. It's like making mistakes or even misusing things like bombs and traps don't really impact the hunt as much as it used to. Switching equipment is a different discussion though. I do think it's fine, but there should be limits. Like you shouldn't be able to change more than once or twice in a hunt or something like that. Without limits, it starts to feel like gear prep is kinda pointless. As for World's half-baked new mechanics, I sort of agree with that, but I'm willing to cut them some slack since this game is built from the ground up with a new engine, new renders and stuff. However, if things like mantles, scoutflies, the slinger, etc., aren't expanded upon come MH6 (or if they just removed them), then there's no more excuses.

[@markypoo5152]

Good old claw grip lol

[@austincod21]

Do the high rank village quests after the old lady's The cat right by her gives the high rank quests there really fun and the new maps are nice switch up when you get to that point

[@dralakba-dusk31]

responding to your question, yes the bowgun are great in this game, with weapons that involves getting close tho, its a nightmare

[@alesgrym4622]

This discussion is very similar to what happened in World of Warcraft, which I played for 19 years. Look at WoW Classic now, nostalgia was what made it seem harder, the clunky controls weren't what did it, neither was it the tedious grind. It was because of our minds and the fact that it wasn't fully understood 20 years ago. Progress is a process.

[@Apolo-zl1iy]

Wow. I didn’t even know you can gather dung underneath the popo. I played this game years ago.

[@gamervagabundo5075]

Actually pokke village theme originally came up on the Freedom 2...

[@frosti603]

i started at freedom unite. love the pokke village. when i got my switch, first thing i want is to return to my home in pokke village. still went for the old lady thinking she still gives the quest lol

[@ArcticWolfGod]

I honestly don't miss the preparation stuff. I started in Portable 3rd and the more I played the series, the more I realised that I didn't mind any of the stuff that made gathering and everything easier, in the end I wanted to just fight the monsters.

[@palchenrigsel540]

The preparation is pain but after you get all the things needed and look in your invetory you feel like you finished your life goal

[@remllames5727]

You can gather dung beneath the Popo? Damn. I've played and finished FU countless times and I never knew that. Lol

[@shitbucks6522]

What?! You can gather poops beneath the popo?? I've played this game since the PSP era and replayed it in MHFU for iOS recently. This "new" discovery baffles me...

[@chadgrimwell8380]

Old times. Very classic. Always loved.

[@RobMil20]

I got my butt kicked in that first mission. I played longsword and used to thumb sticks, so I didn’t do well 😮‍💨 those small monsters fr beat me up bro

[@matthewmclean9607]

Freedom unite was my first mh game and it’s the hardest and I’ll die on this hill

[@simbaswagger]

im alright with Monster Hunter Handholding now, as from MHF on the PSP i learned lessons, how to adjust and i like that its easier for newcomers as i know the older ones wouldve annoyed them. but i do miss the self service aspect of the game

[@dokidoki5850]

I love the old time where one of few people who ll help smithing for you was a small old lady. I miss smol granpa n smol granma. Now they have been replaced with some either cutesy gals or scary buff men.

[@masonengland306]

BTW the game IS a lot harder if you use melee weapons since you have a lot tougher of a relationship with the hitboxes, however bowgun is still gun and fun to play

[@ILOVERESISTANCE]

Already the fact that you can get potions from your storage while in quest once you run out, that you can change weapon while in quest, that you can eat while in quest, that you have infinite whetstones, that you don't need paintballs to track monsters, that you can heal while walking around, that you can use healbugs to heal, that the game gives you numbers of the damage you deal depending on what body part you hit, that there's no G rank, that you send directly to your storage whatever monster material you gather and so not needing to make space in your bag, that you have a dog and a cat companion that fight better than the average MH player, makes it way, way easier than old gen mh games. I'm a veteran, i started playing MHF on psp and to this day i still play MHFU (a game i started playing when it wasn't even outside Japan yet as I had modded PSP and played the game in Japanese), I can assure you new games are a joke compared to the old ones. If you struggle in World or Rise, then I can't see you making it past 3 stars village quests on MHFU.

[@demikraw3523]

Did you get a credit roll after finishing the chief's quests? Was it like the completion of the single-player campaign? I am kind of worried the game may be way too big for me.

[@kyril98741]

If you play on emulator, you could remap some of the control to get it easier to play. I remap the left and right to the right anolog stick while keeping up and down on the dpad.

[@gavinerickson9392]

You weren't able to gather with a single button press till Generations, let that sink in.

[@Evangeeee]

back then you can actually chain flash a monster. me and my 2 friends used to hunt G-Rank Silver Rathalos and the monster never even get out of stunned state. another thing is when a Rathalos wiggle its tail while standing, it will drain your life just from getting scratched by it.

[@Jotaaaa_]

once Sunbreak comes and goes, im begging you to play through 3 Ultimate if you haven’t already i started with Tri at like 11 years old and MH has been my favorite franchise since

[@Crimsyn_]

I feel like the reason why I found the old MH games harder was because I was young kid and had no idea how to be optimal with this type of games. Might be a personal bias but could be a reason

[@troll5262]

The newer ones have a lot more 'outs' if you mess something up. That in itself makes them a lot easier comparatively for someone used to the older games. Having learned to fight i.e Tigrex before adept dodging, clutch claw or wirebug bullshit makes it that much easier when you get those tools available to you without the monster(s) changing much, if at all.

[@manikaditha6308]

i feel the same with other game as well, i find tales of zestiria in chaos was hard af, and then i realise my english comprehension was utter garbage and then i played berseria years later, easy even in chaos. and i played arise, still easy since ive spent 1k hours in iceborne (they have similar combat). i mean i did get smacked in sekiro even tho ive spent that much time in iceborne, but still not as bad as when the first time trying to solo fatalis and alatreon, because experience matter.

[@Chunkylova53]

I remember playing MHFU on the PSP back in the day. Stopped playing after about 70-80 hours, and didn't get that far past Khezu (yeah I'm bad).

[@Koshaku410]

Hey, as far as i know, u started with MHWorld right? It's sooooo good to know you're picking up the older MH games, especially this one. On time i rage quit fighting the tigrex it almost broke my psp 😅

[@megouki2609]

u should try MH which one hitting monster using right analog stick

[@HighHeNah]

I played since 4u I kinda have a love/hate for the loading screen in the game. Sometimes it will save me from tough fights or about to die. Hate it when monster knock off the map or they ran off later find them and ran off again. But I do love World/Rise mechanic changes

[@reufuraque8771]

Ow yeah try fighting that rath while multiple bullfango's charge you.Good times.

[@lulucario8062]

Ok I played Monster unite when I was a kid , And I never knew that you could gather dung from the popo on the farm...

[@iantaran2843]

Unite and 3rd are miracles and i adore them. Ill still go back from time to time. Pokke village will alwsy be my digital home 🤘 It and the Digital World from Digimon

[@AkagiRedSun]

Imo biggest change happens when people knew how to play these games and spread all their information online to see. I remember taking my sweet time learning about village and people while making every armors and trying weapons but now I’m speeding thru MR so I can craft basic set to clear the story and working on end game armor making 99% of monster meaningless other than deco farm.

[@Scorptice]

As a veteran who LOVED everything about the old tedium I am thankful for the QoL of the new world

[@tigrexgaming9732]

I got hit by a bullfango top of a mountain because I was bored one time.

[@ammashnek4203]

For me the reason why the mhfu is harder compared to the newer titles is that it doesn't have thr QOL's that newer games had. And I remember when you needed to paintball the monster to track it or just wave at the airballoon. And lastly the weapons are more powerful in the newer ones I had so much fun playibg longsword on rise (even tho I'm a greatsword main)

[@karuiGaming]

Pretty sure the difficulty is the limited movement options for all weapons (i.e. back evade) It doesn't matter if the monster is predictable if you don't have any options to do against it. This is why imo Evade+ and Evade Distance skills we're pretty important Yea you're pretty on point on the bowgun difficulty thing too. you're far enough that you have time to read the monster then do the option that gets you safe.

[@asianwick153]

Going back was a lot easier...I do miss the old day wen you can wave at the air balloonship tho.

[@xantiagoraco9347]

Ahem ❇plesioth hipcheck❇ The bane of oldschool hunters

[@Gloryboyquan]

I want to play this game on my vita but I heard the monsters have unfair hit boxes is it still playable and worth it in 2023

[@danellboy5757]

Did not know you could gather dung beneath the popo 😮

[@Floridamangaming729]

Im going to be replaying it myself after sunbreak because i havent played unite seriously in like a decade lol. And i never actually completed the game. I stopped at the beginning of high rank.

[@Rytom]

Freedom Unite was my first MH when I was in middle school. It holds a special place in my heart. I put in around 600 hours solo, not even knowing how skills worked. I just made armors that looked cool and enjoyed it. I also remember being terrified by Ukanlos and being unable to beat it. Today, Freedom Unite has aged poorly, and I don't think you should base your understanding of older games around this one specifically, even though the farming part is pretty cool in this one. You should try out 3U / 4U / GU. Not everything at once though, take your time. Each game has a specific thing. Older is harder, yes it is true. There's no denying that. It is also a fact that the preparation part was much more prevalent in older games, and that it is missing from newer games. Let's say you felt like a hunter in the old world, whereas you feel like a headhunter in the newer games. I'm saying this even though I enjoy Rise quite a lot. I simply wish we could keep the preparation part, because there is not much hunt anymore, there are just showdowns with monsters. Anyway, if you started with world, I get it that you can feel antagonized by some old hunters, but if you go back and play the games, with good will, you would understand. I haven't seen one single person going back to the old games not understanding what the veteran hunters meant.

[@ivangabriel2518]

I remember crying as a kid while playing hunting 2 Diablos while I am being beaten to death just to get the majestic horn for king attilart🤣

[@SkoomaGodDovahkiin666]

Hbg unironically turned MHFU into a cakewalk, especially against Plesioth.

[@Alegorn6]

Pokke village theme is the best track of all MonHun

[@nekomancer4641]

good ole time.

[@promaster4758]

Well Pokke theme comes from Freedom 2 that is the non G version of the game but yeah. If you want to play classic MH games i can recommend you MHG (or MHF1 in the case you cant adapt to the ps2 controls) MH2 (it is great game but has the same problem as MHG), MH3U, MH4U and MHGenU. With that ones you have the main ones of all gens but if you really want to get more into the saga there are some that are worth to play like P3rd or MH3 (MH3 is getting an online server soon so you could play in Loc Lac).

[@syaasy99]

The 2 rajang in 1 arena quest really made me feel like a legend after finishing it once

[@WorakornPy]

THIS. I cheesed through the last quest in MHR and then the villagers gathering to congrats and I feel like wait, is that it?

[@kylemurphy597]

Now, you should try Monster Hunter/Monster Hunter Freedom, to really get an idea of how far this series has come

[@ashurad_fox5991]

In then to answer the question the the old games are hard, it's not the village or caravan quest. It's the hub/guild quest (which includes g-rank, or master rank to the newer players) All quests are either scaled up for 2 hunters or more, including event quest (scaled up to 4 hunters) monster hit much harder, have bigger health pool, and combine to inexperienced or unprepared player makes it difficult. Old games require you to prepare for the quest... The newer games on the guild, are either scaled for solo and multi (depends if 2, 3 or 4 hunters) so it feels easier. Also the newer games having fluidity in combat and camp restocking and meals makes it both harder and easier. (Harder since attack window is non existent, but easy because combat is now smooth with no item management)

[@Roge9]

Nah people really exaggerate the difficulty of these older monster hunter games. A lot of them have easy ways out with lots of cheese strats for a good chunk of the monsters.

[@laeb08]

Obviously, my guy. You need to get used to 'em first. Difficulty starts to lessen once you acquire experience.

[@jordster401]

The newer games gave a lot of great changes like being able to drink potions while walking and the wirebugs but the games don't feel to ME as challenging as the PSP titles I played years ago.

[@kouenren2204]

I used to play this game on my PSP.. it was literally my life. 👍

[@TspriggZ]

Wait what? Gathering spots are hidden from you? This whole time I thought my emulated game was broken somehow

[@Ken-be8sd]

WAIT you can gather dung under the popo!?

[@SyntaxError0287]

small monster are on a whole different level. >plesioth >bowgun >mobs yeah thats gonna be hard

[@visionary8779]

Back in my day…

[@foxhound4911]

I failed finding this annoying Khezu welps and I don't know what to do, I never read the quest until I read more books in the house in Mhfu

[@scrapox217]

As a solo player the main thing that's keeping me from replaying older titles again is the lack of hp scaling in the Guild quests. Having to hunt for 2,5x longer because the quests are always scaled for 3-4 people is a nightmare. It would be kind of doable if you only needed to do quests once, but that combined with the low drop rates in older monster hunter just makes me drop them instantly. I recently tried FU as well but once I reached HR village I just gave up because the quests were becoming unbearably long and I needed to farm 30 minute quests multiple times for a single piece of temporary equipment.

[@manikaditha6308]

GU isnt bad, some Hyper have bloated hp (and deviant too), but their hub version usually only have 1k or 2k hp more, but i still prefer solo scaling lmao,

[@mateonunez7748]

You hit my hearth

[@percivalomerta1290]

Bro said the monsters are predictable, my dude Did you do the G rank guild quests And also did you use any other weapon than a bow gun

[@RuijsNL]

These early MH games got me into the series, hooked ever since. Love all of em!

[@kram9850]

i spent more time in pokke village then on hunts it was so time consuming.

[@Nomadic_Gaming]

have fun suffering once u get the elder special quest to break into g rank town version lol