I tried the NEW 4-2-10 BRISKET method

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0:00 - intro
0:22 - explaining the new method
1:06 - trimming the brisket
1:30 - seasoning
2:38 - Borniak smoker setup
3:52 - place the brisket and first stage
4:17 - second stage
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9:44 - opening the brisket package
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@emassenburge92
@emassenburge92 Жыл бұрын
Used this method. And my wife said, I should open a restaurant.
@PITMASTERX
@PITMASTERX Жыл бұрын
Awesome 👌
@sird2403
@sird2403 Жыл бұрын
CS~\_______○`~? |========^《\Shhh... Ten Years After',lumpy doesn't want to smagma the rihlfoks
@brianegeston9652
@brianegeston9652 Жыл бұрын
Did you use an electric smoker?
@AP-yy3ve
@AP-yy3ve Жыл бұрын
That be some tough looking brisket it isn’t tender at all just a bit juicy from the liquid drippings this method is bad lmao
@AP-yy3ve
@AP-yy3ve Жыл бұрын
Sorry man but your wife has poor taste lmao
@pardavis1019
@pardavis1019 Жыл бұрын
No crap a Wagyu brisket will be amazing. Do this with an economical brisket.
@caymaneller5648
@caymaneller5648 Жыл бұрын
I knew I couldn't have been the only one thinking this
@DAatDA
@DAatDA Жыл бұрын
Choice brisket from Walmart
@gregmay9097
@gregmay9097 Жыл бұрын
I am so done with Wagu brisket videos. Stop posting them, we know how a Wagu brisket turns out, THAT'S WHY IT'S A $500 PIECE OF THE CHEAPEST CUT ON THE STEER. ENOUGH OF THIS BS ALREADY
@thepunadude
@thepunadude Жыл бұрын
EH, AUSTRALIAN WAGYU ... HAD IT IN BRISBANE ... WASNT IMPRESSED. JUST GET THE JAPANESE
@jacqueskotze1627
@jacqueskotze1627 Жыл бұрын
As mention on an earlier comment, I have tried this method with a cheap brisket recently, after seeing the original video that Smoke Trails BBQ did (go and watch that video), and it was one of the best briskets I have had.
@Thermalburn
@Thermalburn Жыл бұрын
I usually do the opposite of this. Low temp about 200F for like 8 hours, Wrap, and then bump the temp up to 250-275F to finish it off; about another 6-8 hours. Comes out great
@gregoryhouser3950
@gregoryhouser3950 9 ай бұрын
Yeah you can do a heavy smoke for all day and run it in the oven at a consistent temp over night. Trust me when I say you will save yourself so much stress and time if you just let it go all night on low on the oven after giving it the attention for 8 hours. Basically you go 3 hours at 250 to 275 hard smoke(not bad, just good consistency: blue smoke) comes from a clean fire solid burn and you achieve this by not opening it up even for a split second. Next you open it after that time and spray with 50/50 pickle juice/sugar water 10/90 ratio, every 30 minutes until you hit 180. You hit that and you just wrap it with butcher paper(dry), and you let get to 200 then rest for 6 hours. Perfect brisket every time also make sure you add more salt that this guy and less pepper, 50 /50 is the ratio. That was like 10 salt to 90 pepper. Enjoy this recipe trust me. And please use a decent offset smoker you will be grateful. Fuck traeger
@waynegranzin3824
@waynegranzin3824 2 ай бұрын
thats great. but that's simply a different way of cooking. and has nothing to do with this video
@randyshearon6706
@randyshearon6706 11 ай бұрын
Thank you for the video. Just smoked my first brisket and used this method. The results exceeded my expectations and impressed my family.
@Blasian89
@Blasian89 Жыл бұрын
No need to get rid of the extra butcher paper. You can use it as a firestarter! I like to cut them into strips, roll them up, put it in the fridge to cool and let the soaked fat solidify, and then ziplock em for later :)
@gregoryhouser3950
@gregoryhouser3950 9 ай бұрын
I know I tell my guys not to toss the bacon paper from shingled bacon cases(I work in a high volume resort) you can get a fire up quick with those they burn like candles. Perfect to get lump charcoal going and it smells good lol. If you have enough you can get a raging fire to start wood or coals.
@anthonycammilleri4479
@anthonycammilleri4479 Күн бұрын
Terrible science if he is really trying to make a point about his cooking method.
@turtleslowandslowbbq4860
@turtleslowandslowbbq4860 Жыл бұрын
two of my favorite pitmasters for the same technique tells me that it's definitely going to work! Now I have to try it
@PITMASTERX
@PITMASTERX Жыл бұрын
Please do
@ManCaveMeals
@ManCaveMeals Жыл бұрын
Looks fantastic Roel! I am gonna give this method a try...
@taylorbuilt44
@taylorbuilt44 Жыл бұрын
Just did a modified version of this for beef ribs today. Thank you for the lesson
@richardmaracle9471
@richardmaracle9471 Жыл бұрын
4-2-10 super easy looks amazing
@paintballercali
@paintballercali Жыл бұрын
I never thought to let the rub sit before flipping the brisket and doing the other side. Makes so much sense.
@progdrummer78
@progdrummer78 Жыл бұрын
You don't have to wait at all if you use a binder like olive oil or mustard. The only reason you wait is if you want the brisket to sweat, so the seasoning has something to grab a hold of. As far as binders go, I've NEVER noticed any flavor imparted by the binder itself.
@michaelcharge4783
@michaelcharge4783 Ай бұрын
Love the concept and think it should work perfectly. I will try it. The last few hours of the brisket rest means everything if serving grill to table. Please don't forget you can do all of this ahead of time, vacuum seal, and serve at a later time with zero loss in texture or flavor.
@SmokeTrailsBBQ
@SmokeTrailsBBQ Жыл бұрын
Amazing video. Amazing brisket! I really like how you adapted and simplified the technique so a home cook could easily follow it and get great results. Many thanks for the shout out!
@mbranbb
@mbranbb Жыл бұрын
Smoke trails bbq himself. Hell yeh.
@orangejake1990
@orangejake1990 Жыл бұрын
Thanks to your inspiration, I have an idea for dinner tomorrow!
@darrenfindlay3732
@darrenfindlay3732 Жыл бұрын
Awesome Vid 👌 What was the final core temp im guessing arnd that 203f mark ??
@thepunadude
@thepunadude Жыл бұрын
YOU DESERVE ALL THE SHOUT OUTS YOU GET ... IM GLAD HE FOUND YOU ... U 2 DO A SHOW TOGETHER!
@CoolJay77
@CoolJay77 Жыл бұрын
I am glad your techniques are getting recognition. Someday, someone will start a bbq joint in Austin, pulling briskets in the 160's or 170's F before holding some 16 hrs or so and claim ownership of the technique. Kudos to this channel for giving you credit.
@TrulyUnfortunate
@TrulyUnfortunate Жыл бұрын
I do my brisket on an offset reverse flow Lang using post oak for around 5 or 6 hours. Since I'm getting too old to tend a stick burner long periods of time on the larger briskets I'll put it in my MAK 2 star general to finnish. It holds temp perfectly and I can get some sleep. It also has a remote I set on my nightstand with an alarm to let me know how things are going or if there's an issue. Briskets come out perfect every time.
@waynegranzin3824
@waynegranzin3824 2 ай бұрын
ive found that reverse flows (as well as anything with a large deflector. like most verticals, and offset style pellet smokers) impart a less-than-optimal texture due to the radiant heat from the deflector.
@TrulyUnfortunate
@TrulyUnfortunate 2 ай бұрын
Which is why I start it on my stick burner.By the time I pull it from the stick burner It's already absorbed all the smoke it's gonna absorb. You could even finish in the ovenand you won see a drop in quality. Not only that my MAK is more accurate than any kitchen oven. Most people are unaware of wide temp swings of your kitchen oven. + or - 25 degrees are common.@@waynegranzin3824
@brave_ulysses5958
@brave_ulysses5958 14 күн бұрын
That looked good. That looked really good!
@armychief2005
@armychief2005 Жыл бұрын
Well done. I will definitely try this Thanksgiving week~!
@smb364
@smb364 Жыл бұрын
Just tested this method. I definitely will keep saving the drippings and using that fat in butcher paper, but beyond that, I’m going back to the tried-and-true classic approach.
@PITMASTERX
@PITMASTERX Жыл бұрын
Excellent
@anandshah47
@anandshah47 Жыл бұрын
If you ever want to try another long-cook method, this is what I do: I smoke on as low as my pellet smoker gets (~185 to 200F) for 7-8 hours. After that, i vaccum seal the brisket with some smoked duck fat and sous vide at 185F for 12 hours. Then I remove from the vaccum bag, pat dry and smoke an additional 30-60 minutes at 250F to reestablish the bark before serving. Results in an incredibly juicy and tender brisket!
@PITMASTERX
@PITMASTERX Жыл бұрын
Nice, sounds good
@Lat41
@Lat41 Жыл бұрын
I am going to try this…sounds like a great approach
@hereweare9011
@hereweare9011 Жыл бұрын
Shut the front door man!!!
@trevortimm7528
@trevortimm7528 Жыл бұрын
I like your idea 💡
@adamdiep
@adamdiep Жыл бұрын
Some great ideas here. I'm gonna steal some of that. LOL. Your method is similar to mine. I smoke it for 10-12 hrs at 160-180F. When it hits the stall temps (~160-170 degrees), I just wrap it in a roasting pan and foil. It's similar to other folks' "steam" method, but I don't dilute the flavors with water. I usually serve after resting for a couple hours. But I like, your method of doing a final smoke to re-establish the bark.
@ChocoTacoMan
@ChocoTacoMan Жыл бұрын
I love smoke trails BBQ! I'm glad you both are on my watch list!
@PITMASTERX
@PITMASTERX Жыл бұрын
He rocks, hope he sees this video 😂
@AngelaKSellsHomes
@AngelaKSellsHomes Жыл бұрын
My mom used to make a pepper encrusted brisket! Omg so good, wish I was there.
@cpugh70
@cpugh70 Жыл бұрын
I cooked my second brisket using 4, 2, 10 and it was the bomb.. awesome vid, thanks.
@egs123able
@egs123able Жыл бұрын
OMG that brisket looks so good - raw (and even better smoked :)) - btw the pull test looked a little on the strong side, but I don't mind that.
@MatthewSmith-cp3hu
@MatthewSmith-cp3hu Жыл бұрын
yeah this is outstanding 👏 so informative and well presented
@molliesdad4702
@molliesdad4702 Жыл бұрын
looks delicious for sure. Considering trying a flat using this method. I figure with a bit of adjustment I can get the job done.
@billbecker
@billbecker Жыл бұрын
All I'm going to say is if you want to take your brisket up a notch, whatever recipe you use, try placing a pork belly on the upper rack to let it baste the brisket. I knocked it out of the park today on the brisket and got great bacon in the process.
@oogenshire
@oogenshire Жыл бұрын
i generally do a pork butt or 2 when i do my brisket always have them over the top of the briskets
@Rooboy-619
@Rooboy-619 Жыл бұрын
Noice
@hannahconstructioninc
@hannahconstructioninc Жыл бұрын
Yeah that sounds great!
@patrickwardell6137
@patrickwardell6137 Жыл бұрын
My Cookshack FEC100 has multiple racks and I do what I call rain smoking. I will do a couple of pounds of bacon or pork belly on an upper shelf and brisket or prime rib or whatever next shelf. Ribs from prime rib next shelf and maybe some Brussel sprouts or whatever on the last shelf. It's all up to your imagination, but makes some awesome bbq without multiple cooks. Love my FEC100
@thinkcasting3182
@thinkcasting3182 Жыл бұрын
"take it up a notch", "game changer", nobody ever uses the cliche's anymore...
@franciscoortiz6980
@franciscoortiz6980 Жыл бұрын
65c (150 f) is too low... that is why after 16 hours of cooking it did not pull easy. And you need a rack to prevent brisket from swimming in liquid. Try 2 hrs max smoke low temp, then at 220f (110 c). Paper Wrap when brisket hits stall temp 165f ( 75 c)...same temp... remove when hits 202f (95c). Put in insulated box 2+ hr.
@adamstevenson2485
@adamstevenson2485 9 күн бұрын
You sound like you grew up next door to me 👍👍
@TheMichaelAcuna
@TheMichaelAcuna Жыл бұрын
Love your outdoor kitchen and your passion For bbq
@thooper4380
@thooper4380 Жыл бұрын
I love the simplification of Smoke Trails BBQ's method. For any American bringing this method back to the states (or elsewhere using a pellet smoker), trying to replicate on a pellet smoker, this will work, but won't impart enough smoke flavor at the listed temperatures. Pellets don't make much smoke above 225F. You likely want to be at your smoke setting if you have one or 225F or below if you don't. You can run that for the "4 hour" period, but might want to extend it, or extend the "2 hour" period, which should will work fine at the suggested 275F. Smoke Trails BBQ went to an internal temperature of 170-180F for the end of the "2 hour" period, which is just past the stall and where you start building nice bark. So you could do it for a set time period of time as shown here, or hold out until the temp gets there. But what I really love about this is the part where you just hold the temp for 10-16 hours to finish out rather than waiting to hit the magical 203F final temp. After doing ~10 briskets, timing where it's going to finally finish is the absolute worst if people are counting on you. Give yourself a 20-24 hour window and follow this method and I think you're golden (trying it myself right at this moment now). Best of luck everyone.
@60secthebaptist9
@60secthebaptist9 Жыл бұрын
During my brisket phase, I tried all sorts of variations on a theme. the reason that Louis Mueller, Blacks, Franklin, La Barbeque, Snows all have amazing brisket is that they don't mess to much with the recipe. Salt N Pepper, approx 250F for 12 to 16 hours sometimes you crutch 3/4s the way through. every hour or so moisturize the bark spray apple cider vinegar, mop with beef juices, etc. Cardamum and himalayan salt have no place on a texas brisket.
@mamixon100
@mamixon100 Жыл бұрын
So your own recipe? Hoping y'alls don't get any Snow this year 😂
@60secthebaptist9
@60secthebaptist9 Жыл бұрын
@@mamixon100 me too. I'm not claiming to know better than everyone. but after 20 years of making brisket at home for family events, I always tell people to watch thIs series by Aaron franklin not because i think he has stumbled on magic, but because he has distilled the basics of texas brisket into the simplest of concepts. kzbin.info/aero/PLJXFUkVvL7g4-ic-vMvL0VYovXzAQ3EUu The recipe in this video is a good one and that brisket looks good. snobs will look down at the smoke ring and how long he crutches. if you can spend the time that's good enough. if it tastes good, that's even better. it's really a food love thing. After all this talk, I'm going to Louie Mueller's this weekend
@stephenboyajian8844
@stephenboyajian8844 Жыл бұрын
@@mamixon100 Didn't one of the former pitmasters at Franklin say he never, even in his time at Franklins, ever made a brisket that was just salt and pepper? Pretty sure they also use Lawry's.
@alanerpington5698
@alanerpington5698 Жыл бұрын
Himalayan salt has no place in a kitchen, period. Know why it's pink? Because it contains rust. Yummy!
@justindesormeaux5287
@justindesormeaux5287 Жыл бұрын
Are you brain dead ?, pink salt contains trace minerals needed by the body, iron is needed by the body. Keep sprinkling microplastic and toxic waste from the ocean on your food 🤡
@smokersonthewaterbbq2224
@smokersonthewaterbbq2224 Жыл бұрын
Great video and interesting method! I would suggest lightening up on the pepper just a little so there is more smoke exposure to the meat. In my experience too much rub acts as a "shield" against the smoke.
@ricin82
@ricin82 10 ай бұрын
Pepper absorbs smoke
@cdanielh128
@cdanielh128 Жыл бұрын
I have heard of this method but because of the low temps I never attempted it and stuck to my tried and true. After watching this video I will be trying this with an old smoker just given to me. You can never have too many. Just found this channel and will look at some other vids.
@antoniohuertas8909
@antoniohuertas8909 Жыл бұрын
That looked amazing! 🤤
@bleezair
@bleezair Жыл бұрын
Haven’t caught one of your videos in months, finally got a day off where I can just relax and catch up with a few of my favourite cooking channels. Glad to see you’re still going strong, cheers from Canada 🇨🇦
@PITMASTERX
@PITMASTERX Жыл бұрын
Excellent enjoy your time off
@WineOnTheDime
@WineOnTheDime Жыл бұрын
Good job but I did double take when you said to slice it thin. As a Texan, we do 1/4-1/2 strips. Even when thick they should separate with a slight pull.
@robertp457
@robertp457 Жыл бұрын
10mm - 12mm
@Smokeroux
@Smokeroux Жыл бұрын
With you on the thickness! TEXAS🏁
@andothemando9695
@andothemando9695 Жыл бұрын
thankyou..I have cooked so many bad Briskets.... looking forward to try this
@dgapp76
@dgapp76 Ай бұрын
I've always smoked my briskets on the offset for 5-6 hours at 250 with pecan and apple wood then spritzed with ACV, wrapped in butcher paper and then into the oven at 225-250 overnight. Pull at 203 internal temp. Rest for 2 hours then cut and serve. I've had them take anywhere from 10 hours to 24 hours depending on the size of the brisket. Stall times are always different so don't panic if it stalls for 2 or more hours.
@kurtbjorn3841
@kurtbjorn3841 Жыл бұрын
Interesting process. But I'm puzzled on the paper wrap PLUS full foil. Why use butcher paper at all if you're going to seal the meat in foil? Paper allows SOME breathing/evaporation, preserving bark, while foil seals moisture in, speeding cook, creating moist BBQ but with a less pronounced bark. Am I missing something? I think we're overcomplicating these cooks. SPG, smoke until bark is firm, paper wrap, cook until probe tender, usually around 200+ f. Rest. Eat!
@Swearengen1980
@Swearengen1980 Жыл бұрын
That's exactly what these type of channels and even celebrity (pseudo or legit celebrities) do with cooking. They overcomplicate things. Get a standard brisket and come on down south to any pull-behind smoker on the street corner, guarantee you'll get a simple straight forwards 2 step smoke that produces great brisket that's more tender than that.
@trevtkd
@trevtkd Жыл бұрын
@@Swearengen1980 this is the only correct response I’ve seen. Although I’m sure this brisket turned out fine. There’s nothing traditional Texas bbq about this. From the rub to the pellet smoker. And he used way too much pepper lol come visit central texas and we will learn ya up!
@jamesgray143
@jamesgray143 Жыл бұрын
Yah no reason to steam your brisket. It takes away from the pure smoke flavor and usually makes it taste more like a baked roast.
@theoriginalchefboyoboy6025
@theoriginalchefboyoboy6025 Жыл бұрын
Nice as this video is, it makes me sooooooooo happy I smoke my briskets on a Weber kettle grill, get to sit out side, drink beer all afternoon, listen to the ball game, finish with 2 hours covered with foil in the oven...
@murphquake
@murphquake Жыл бұрын
My experience is limited as a New Yorker (although you'd be surprised how great a BBQ city NYC actually is) but one of the best brisket I've ever had was when Hutchins was at Big Apple BBQ Block Party several years back and they were double wrapping and had a 3 block long line, it seemed to work
@jaydthamexican1
@jaydthamexican1 Жыл бұрын
here in the usa they do put that tallow in jars and sell it. lol.. good video....
@thermos750
@thermos750 19 күн бұрын
Great simple video, I like this method. Many seem to say to let the meat rest after you pull it out of the smoker. I think though with it in there for the total time, 4 + 2+ 10 @ 16 hrs., it has had it's time to rest! I will try your method and add a couple extra spices to just to give it that extra kick!
@jacobalegria2323
@jacobalegria2323 Жыл бұрын
Very interesting 🤔 might have to try it!
@MoesSmokeStackGrill
@MoesSmokeStackGrill Жыл бұрын
This method isn’t anything I’ve tried but I’ve seen something like this. Seems to work fine. 🔥🔥🔥
@PITMASTERX
@PITMASTERX Жыл бұрын
Its takes away the risk of drying out the brisket with a core temperature that is too high.
@brad4527
@brad4527 Жыл бұрын
​@@PITMASTERX I agree, but I don't think I ever seen you cook a A bad brisket yet though. I haven't cooked 1 all summer with the joe biden inflation. brisket is just so high $$$ in the states. so now I just drule of your briskets when you cook 😆🤣😂. It's always a pleasure watching you bbq!!
@CaptDano
@CaptDano Жыл бұрын
Great content, but the brisket looked tough, slightly. Maybe because the internal didn’t hit the obligatory 203 degrees. I still prefer wrapping at 175, then up to 203, and resting until 145 before slicing or refrigerating in the butcher paper and saved for the next day to slowly bring up to 150 to slice and eat. It’s a fun hobby.
@FurryWooki
@FurryWooki Жыл бұрын
Agree, looked a bit tough. And could still see quite a bit of fat that hadn’t yet rendered.
@gilcd85
@gilcd85 Жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same thing. Sure a Wagyu brisket was tasty, but I don't think he got it tender
@coydepratt9877
@coydepratt9877 Жыл бұрын
Brisket does need to hit 203. But this guy's brisket did seem under cooked
@kellrenegade1407
@kellrenegade1407 Жыл бұрын
Well and with Wagyu there's so much fat marbling that you really need to take up a few degrees past what you would with a lesser fat content brisket so that it all gets good and rendered.
@JM-vw3wq
@JM-vw3wq Жыл бұрын
It needs higher temperatures to break down the collagen, just like with pork, I wrap at 177 and keep it on until 210. Stable bark and tender meat.
@dudeCastro
@dudeCastro Жыл бұрын
Howdy. Looks delicious friend!! Traditionally, we use a binder in Texas, e.g. mustard, oil or maybe Worcestershire sauce before putting on Salt, Pepper, Garlic.
@kwikmechanic
@kwikmechanic Жыл бұрын
You guys put out some amazing and unique content. I enjoy all of your videos and they are high quality. As an aspiring KZbinr..... It's awesome to see you call out Smoke Trails Bbq . You are a class act! Both helped me improve my bbq skills. Thank you.
@PITMASTERX
@PITMASTERX Жыл бұрын
Thanks bro. Looking forward to your videos
@glassmaster907
@glassmaster907 Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for sharing this method I think I’ll go to Costco and buy a Brisket and try this method out!!!!
@igotJesus88
@igotJesus88 Жыл бұрын
Looks good! Wonder how it would have turned out with a choice brisket. Maybe not as forgiving?
@jacqueskotze1627
@jacqueskotze1627 Жыл бұрын
I have tried this method with a cheap brisket recently, after seeing the original video that Smoke Trails BBQ did (go and watch that video), and it was one of the best briskets I have had.
@arnier6007
@arnier6007 Жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same thing 🤔
@thesandwichfreak3780
@thesandwichfreak3780 Жыл бұрын
What was the internal temp at the last 10hr mark when you pulled the brisket out of the smoker?
@ejmarkle60
@ejmarkle60 Жыл бұрын
I'm definitely going to try this method
@huizdeeze1075
@huizdeeze1075 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for recommendation i defenetly try this.
@expandedconscious8265
@expandedconscious8265 Жыл бұрын
I do this all the time - take the brisket to 190f(88c) internal then wrap in tallow/paper and sit it in an oven over night at 195f (90c), in fact you can hold it at this temp for many many hours without it overcooking or drying out. Perfect for when you have time the day before you want bbq but not the day itself.
@brucetominello325
@brucetominello325 Жыл бұрын
You answered my question I’ll finish it in the oven and get some sleep!
@connersullivan4628
@connersullivan4628 Жыл бұрын
You might as well vac seal it when it hits 190 then put it in a sous vide pot for however long
@zombie777stream8
@zombie777stream8 Жыл бұрын
This is the method I use for my original avacado marinade and injection on my briskets 😍😍😍
@PITMASTERX
@PITMASTERX Жыл бұрын
Nice 🤩
@zombie777stream8
@zombie777stream8 Жыл бұрын
@@PITMASTERX if you want the recipe let me know. I have not seen anything like this anywhere. I'm pretty sure I created it myself.
@Giveme100ksubs
@Giveme100ksubs Жыл бұрын
@@zombie777stream8 I'm pretty sure he already wants your recipe so why not show it to him?
@RPIdemon
@RPIdemon Жыл бұрын
I just smoked a brisket this weekend in a Masterbuilt cabinet. It was the first time not doing it in a Kamado Joe. Took much longer than my normal briskets, but the flat was still dry. I'm going to try to sous vide my next one, but I will keep this method in mind for the brisket after that
@wardad5628
@wardad5628 Жыл бұрын
inject the flat with tallow, you won't regret it,
@RPIdemon
@RPIdemon Жыл бұрын
@@wardad5628 I did, but I think I did it wrong. I was watching Smoke Trails and he brought up a great point. Yeah, I'll smoke the brisket to 203, then wrap it and put directly into a cooler. No one ever reminded me about carry over heat until he did. Is that the reason my briskets always suck? We shall find out
@paula.2422
@paula.2422 Жыл бұрын
This makes perfect sense. I've used a sous vide for many things...including a 17lbs brisket I smoked at 250°F for 4 hours and vacuum sealed and placed in the sous vide at 145°F for 60 hours. I then returned to a 200°F smoker for about an hour. It was an amazing brisket. Your brisket looked fantastic! Great job.
@andrewengle8529
@andrewengle8529 Жыл бұрын
If you haven’t tried a whole turkey yet you must. Life changing. Dry brine the turkey for a day. Then vacuum seal it in bags that expand big enough for turkey, watch for punctures. Freeze a lil olive oil ahead of time and seal in bag with turkey to confit. Sous at 145 then finish on a hot grill or smoker.
@paula.2422
@paula.2422 Жыл бұрын
@@andrewengle8529 This sounds like fire 🔥 👍
@patrickdunavan9113
@patrickdunavan9113 Жыл бұрын
Anybody say "sous vide" around a real Texas BBQ will probably get a black eye.😄
@paula.2422
@paula.2422 Жыл бұрын
@@patrickdunavan9113 🤣....you're probably right!
@RCGshakenbake
@RCGshakenbake Жыл бұрын
@@patrickdunavan9113 I was thinking the same thing. Although, a black eye would be getting off pretty light. Lol
@jasonp74208
@jasonp74208 Жыл бұрын
Near zero fat render of the fat cap. It requires the 190+F temps for proper rendering and tenderness. Don't cook your brisket this way.
@jamesgray143
@jamesgray143 Жыл бұрын
Yah that fat did not look enjoyable to eat.
@djlosch
@djlosch Жыл бұрын
This... it's Aus Wagyu so it might render at a slightly lower temp, but it still visibly not where it should be. Also, the smoke ring is just not there. So it's already substandard using a very high quality cut. This method would likely be a failure on a random choice or prime packer. So I completely agree... Don't cook your brisket this way.
@Syst3m04
@Syst3m04 Жыл бұрын
Smoke ring means absolutely nothing btw. It has to do with how fast the meat reaches 140. If you start with a frozen brisket and thaw it while cooking, you can get an inch thick ring, where if the brisket is close to room temp before starting your ring will be smaller.
@jamesgray143
@jamesgray143 Жыл бұрын
@@Syst3m04 yep, and this one basically didn't exist and looked more like a roast. Everything I have messed up smoking meat and it looks Grey like this it has not tasted nearly as good.
@jasonp74208
@jasonp74208 Жыл бұрын
@@Syst3m04 I agree, the smoke ring is purely aesthetic. This is why I pointed out the fat cap. Beef fat typically renders around 130-140F. Collagen around 160F. If we aren't seeing even a remotely rendered fat cap it's a sure bet the internal collagen hasn't even begun to break down. The bite is going to be chewy and unpleasant, the texture likely dry.
@Joe___R
@Joe___R Жыл бұрын
I was taught to dry brine with just salt for 24-36 hours then add black pepper but only about 1/4 as much as you used. Then smoke it at 165 for 8 hours, pull it out & wrap it & put it back in at the same temperature for an additional 10 hours. It always comes out perfect. Having that much pepper doesn't allow for the meat itself to get as good of bark as it should since it is too protected by the pepper.
@christophersine84
@christophersine84 Жыл бұрын
What size briskets do you typically use for this method, and do you let it rest afterward?
@iknowyounot88
@iknowyounot88 Жыл бұрын
That's the same alarm I use for my smoker. My favorite alarm. 🤤
@jroc2201
@jroc2201 Жыл бұрын
Excellent work
@seanmcginnis4112
@seanmcginnis4112 Жыл бұрын
I tried it this weekend, based solely on time, and my prime brisket came out pretty meh. I will try it a second time, now that I watched the original video, and will shoot for an internal temperature of 190 before moving to the hold temperature in the oven. I also need to temp-check my oven to ensure the 150 I set it at is actually 150 in the box. I REALLY want this to work.
@stephenhaupt8494
@stephenhaupt8494 Жыл бұрын
I am guessing yours was chewier than you liked? I do not think the temp of the meat gets up high enough. Pulling 185ish then bringing it down to 140ish over a long period of time is no longer cooking the meat. It is now staying in a warmer with water underneath. Maybe pull meat about 200* and it will work as all the fat that makes it chewy will break apart.
@tjghostchain6212
@tjghostchain6212 Жыл бұрын
Looks good but I like my brisket with a badass smoke ring and a lot of smoke flavor. I like mine to pass the pull test and be a bit more tender. I usually take them out at 210 degrees Fahrenheit.
@keiths.1423
@keiths.1423 Жыл бұрын
Food scientists at Texas A&M have proven conclusively that smoke rings mean nothing regarding quality or quantity of smoke in a brisket. This is just another of the barbecue myths. But you're dead on with the pull test. Too hard to pull means the brisket is undercooked - as this one definitely was!
@toranas1500
@toranas1500 Ай бұрын
Smoke trails also usually uses an offset smoker, which has a high convective heat, so it's going to cook much differently than the electric wood chip smoker.
@CoD_Maj3st1k
@CoD_Maj3st1k Жыл бұрын
Smoke trails deserves so much more supporters. Everything he puts out is great!
@bixbysback
@bixbysback Жыл бұрын
Man, just be honest. That brisket was undercooked and not tender. The seam fat had barely even begun to render.
@metal_mo
@metal_mo Жыл бұрын
@ryanherrrrr exactly what I was thinking. When he pulled it apart it looked like a rubber band snapping! Fat wasn't close to being rendered. I think he could have been a bit more honest about the results. That brisket was a 2 out of 10. What a waste of a wagyu.
@rebeleazy9221
@rebeleazy9221 Жыл бұрын
I was like is it just me or is that brisket under cooked. It doesn’t look good to me. Looks dry and tough. Sorry. No offense.
@hessranch
@hessranch Жыл бұрын
There is also no smoke ring on it. Undercooked…
@keiths.1423
@keiths.1423 Жыл бұрын
@@hessranch Food scientists at Texas A&M have proven conclusively that smoke rings mean nothing regarding quality or quantity of smoke in a brisket. This is just another of the barbecue myths.
@sparkcustombackingtracks1864
@sparkcustombackingtracks1864 5 ай бұрын
Horrible technique, horrible results.
@treyhair7776
@treyhair7776 Жыл бұрын
Looks fantastic. One question though, why worry about creating bark when you're going to steam it back soft again? To hold juice?
@inspiringminds7284
@inspiringminds7284 Жыл бұрын
Flavor more than texture.
@MaciejDrelichowski
@MaciejDrelichowski Жыл бұрын
Video saved! I have this type of smoker from Fasanio and never cooked meet like that in it. I use it for true smoking of meet and fish. 65 deg? It means the meat never reached 95. Ok, will try. Consider first 2h at temp max 60 deg. At higher temp smoke stops penetrate meat.
@jny78
@jny78 Жыл бұрын
Looks amazing
@btlarsen
@btlarsen Жыл бұрын
You made me hungry for brisket
@hitfoods1726
@hitfoods1726 Жыл бұрын
Interesting but would’ve LOVED to seen this using a regular Prime brisket. Wagyu is so fatty it’s hard to screw up. It always makes for a juicy video.
@PITMASTERX
@PITMASTERX Жыл бұрын
Coming up
@psracefan
@psracefan Жыл бұрын
Sounds like you are volunteering.
@hitfoods1726
@hitfoods1726 Жыл бұрын
@@psracefan I have a 17lb brisket ready to go into brine for pastrami. I usually cook it smoked Montreal style but contemplating the 4-2-10 way.
@stegaus509
@stegaus509 Жыл бұрын
I purchased a cheap brisket at Winco just to test this method. Did this on my Masterbuilt gravity 1050. 245 degrees for 4 hours, 285 for 2.5 hours and wrapped it in parchment paper ( I'm out of pink paper!) and put it in a dish with some water, covered with foil and in the oven at 150 for 12 hours. Ate it for lunch today and it was the best brisket I have ever done. Do it.
@wernerschless1000
@wernerschless1000 Жыл бұрын
Wow nice brisket delicious with that black pepper bark 😋
@jmeezy4050
@jmeezy4050 Жыл бұрын
I've settled on 6hrs @180 6hrs@205 and 4hrs @ 245 wrap it at an internal of 165 and Pull it at 192 internal temp, leave it wrapped and rest for 4 hours. It just never fails so its hard for me to change it up now.
@PITMASTERX
@PITMASTERX Жыл бұрын
Sounds like an awesome technique
@HenryMPittman
@HenryMPittman Жыл бұрын
Nice
@HenryMPittman
@HenryMPittman Жыл бұрын
When you rest for 4 hr, is that in a warmer at 150 or room temperature?
@gbas76
@gbas76 Жыл бұрын
@@HenryMPittman we place the wrapped brisket in a good quality cooler to maintain the internal temperature for longer as it rests.
@klik23
@klik23 Жыл бұрын
I saw this video today and decided to try this method today. I will find out the results when the brisket is ready at 6am. I do like your smoker. Best design around so far. I wish they sold it in the states.
@RPIdemon
@RPIdemon Жыл бұрын
Verdict??
@robertp457
@robertp457 Жыл бұрын
And???????????????????
@joeriley6942
@joeriley6942 Жыл бұрын
brother please
@klik23
@klik23 Жыл бұрын
The brisket came out awesome. Was almost a set it and forget it type of deal. The texture was a bit different from the normal cooks. Maybe it was the last minute choice between the only 2 brisket the market had at the time. All in all, it was very juicy. I enjoyed it as well as my wife, kids, mother and my buddy and his kids. I cut it open as soon as I pulled it off the smoker and it still retained all its juices.
@bpri9880
@bpri9880 Жыл бұрын
Brisket smoker here (I live in Texas) let that salt dry brine for a bit 6-8 hrs or over night before smoking. The salt will soak into the meat and allow for it to have some depth to the taste.
@tonyr29
@tonyr29 Жыл бұрын
Nice I Smoked one last week smoked it nice and slow took me 14 hours lol great job brother
@JWFas
@JWFas Жыл бұрын
I actually tried this shortly after Smoke Trails released this video. Long story short, it works. Here's how my cook went: Brisket: 15.8 pounds (pre-trim), choice grade, Sam's Club Rub: 8 part 16-mesh black pepper, 3 part kosher salt, 3 part Lawry's, 1 part granulated garlic Trim: Standard brisket trim with aero shape Smoker: Camp Chef PG24SG pellet smoker Pellets: Bear Mountain 50/50 mix of oak and hickory in the hopper, Bear Mountain maple in a smoke tube It was smoked fat side down on the upper grate at the 220F High Smoke setting until it was time to wrap. Wrapping occurred nine hours into the cook when the fat cap was sufficiently rendered. Instead of butcher paper, I went with a foal boat and had the brisket fat side up. I pulled the brisket at 190F internal and immediately wrapped it in tallow-soaked butcher paper. That was placed on a wire rack (fat side up) inside a pan with half a cup of water in the bottom. A double layer of heavy duty foil sealed the top. It was probably in the oven for 16 hours by the time I sliced it. To keep the air temp in the 150-160F range, I actually had to set my oven to 125F.
@PITMASTERX
@PITMASTERX Жыл бұрын
Sounds amazing, so its a proven concept even without the wagyu
@martinflores7354
@martinflores7354 Жыл бұрын
Mad scientist bbq
@PITMASTERX
@PITMASTERX Жыл бұрын
Definitely overseas
@sharkcity4080
@sharkcity4080 Жыл бұрын
Looks great. Question. Why was the water put in if you said you wanted the heat hot and dry?
@carcasscruncher9354
@carcasscruncher9354 Жыл бұрын
Briskets are a gamble from my experience. Either I get a horrible brisket to begin with or I do something wrong. My last one turned out decent but I need a little more practice. This one looks awesome.
@blufalcun
@blufalcun Жыл бұрын
I imagine this would cook the brisket well but if you steam, you aren't going to get the same bark or smoke ring. Looks good but strictly judging this book by it's cover I would rather have a little more of a Texas style brisket. It just looks like it doesn't have much smoke intake.
@alanm1951
@alanm1951 Жыл бұрын
I agree, not much of a smoke ring.
@graysaltine6035
@graysaltine6035 Жыл бұрын
Smoke ring comes from how cold the surface of the meat is when the smoke starts to hit. So yeah, the steam (and the type of smoker) mean he'll probably never get a good ring, but seeing as how the ring is purely cosmetic and has nothing to do with flavour it's not really a problem. Steam might ruin the burnt ends but when you consider how much moisture you're locking in when you wrap a brisket anyway it's probably not the deal-breaker you think it is.
@mattwilson2499
@mattwilson2499 Жыл бұрын
These types of smokers just don't really produce much of a smoke ring. You need a flame to produce the right gasses to create the chemical reaction. It's cosmetic but can be simulated with curing salt.
@keiths.1423
@keiths.1423 Жыл бұрын
Food scientists at Texas A&M have proven conclusively that smoke rings mean nothing regarding quality or quantity of smoke in a brisket. This is just another of the barbecue myths.
@allanjohnkemp
@allanjohnkemp Жыл бұрын
As an Australian I'm always curious how much you pay overseas for our Wagyu, because tbh I see more of it on KZbin than I do in restaurants.
@OnePieceZoro36
@OnePieceZoro36 Жыл бұрын
$150 for one steak here in New jersey. 1 pound...
@Michael_Courtney
@Michael_Courtney 4 ай бұрын
I love your videos. Do you have a similar method for pork shoulder?
@JediHobbit007
@JediHobbit007 4 ай бұрын
I gotta go with the foil boat and exposed top. You get the best of both worlds. Tender meat throughout and nice toothsome crust on top.
@jacobsvenningsen3929
@jacobsvenningsen3929 Жыл бұрын
"so a classic Texas style brisket is all about pepper, so I'm gonna sprinkle with salt" 😂😂
@PITMASTERX
@PITMASTERX Жыл бұрын
😄
@keiths.1423
@keiths.1423 Жыл бұрын
Salt is for flavor; pepper is for spice (softened by cooking) and setting the bark. In Texas, I always get a chuckle out of those from other States that look at our briskets and think that they are burnt. Yep, they're black but they're not burnt.
@gilcd85
@gilcd85 Жыл бұрын
It's a nice piece of meat and it will be tasty almost any way you make it, but it looks more like an oven (under)baked brisket than a smoked Texas BBQ style brisket. I'm all for letting the brisket ride 10-12 hours at 145-150f at the end of the cook, but this should come AFTER the fat has rendered and the meat is as soft as butter (i.e. 200-210f).
@rickgreathouse9120
@rickgreathouse9120 Жыл бұрын
Rick Greathouse here in North TX. I like the idea of the method. I did not see a smoke ring which can be hard to get using a pellet smoker. Being from Kansas City and living in TX for 30+ years you really expect to see at a min a small pink/red smoke ring. It can be done with a pellet smoker. I think I will try the method, I like using the drippings vs purchased beef tallow as an option.
@keiths.1423
@keiths.1423 Жыл бұрын
Food scientists at Texas A&M have proven conclusively that smoke rings mean nothing regarding quality or quantity of smoke in a brisket. This is just another of the barbecue myths.
@SoGodDamnLonly
@SoGodDamnLonly Жыл бұрын
Great video, I’ll definitely try this out But I will wrap it at 180’ Then goes in the oven at 150’ steaming for 6 hrs
@PITMASTERX
@PITMASTERX Жыл бұрын
Awesome
@baldemarjcasas5701
@baldemarjcasas5701 Жыл бұрын
great input im gonna try the same since i just have a pit smoker so the oven method will suffice, ty
@shekharmoona544
@shekharmoona544 Жыл бұрын
My steak seasoning recipe is onion, garlic, thyme, black pepper, dried Red pepper flakes, 6 all spice berries, crushed black mustard, parsley and sea salt. I know the all spice sounds like a killer because of it's astringent taste. This is actually a well balanced seasoning blend.
@mamixon100
@mamixon100 Жыл бұрын
Used it on Brisket?
@Behindthejab
@Behindthejab Жыл бұрын
You misspelled salt and pepper.
@tomgreen2058
@tomgreen2058 Жыл бұрын
How do you get the internal temperature of the brisket to 80 if you've got the smoker set to 65?
@tomriedel9637
@tomriedel9637 Жыл бұрын
This i was question myself
@tomgreen2058
@tomgreen2058 Жыл бұрын
@Shaun No that's not true at all, thermodynamics doesn't work that way. If the meat reaches the same temperature than it's surroundings then there will be no heat gradient and therefore no heat transfer; unless this butcher paper is some kind of magical one way energy barrier! This is the reason sous vide works; you can leave the meat in the water bath indefinitely and it'll never reach a higher temperature than the rest of the water. The density of the surroundings makes no difference to this as all that does is slow the transfer of energy but it'll still go both ways.
@tomgreen2058
@tomgreen2058 Жыл бұрын
@Shaun I believe you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the laws of thermodynamics; as well as barbeque in general. To start with, I'm pretty sure you're confusing specific heat capacity with density but it's often fair to say materials of high density have a high heat capacity. This doesn't mean that they can get hotter than their surroundings, however, it just means they can absorb more energy which is a fundamentally different thing. Meat has a far higher specific heat capacity than air so it can absorb more energy, but it also means it absorbs far more energy before the temperature increases. If, for a second, we assume you're correct, where do you see the limit? If you left food in the oven forever would it just get hotter and hotter forever? No, because it would reach equilibrium... which is equal to the total energy in a system. If your food catches fire it'll heat up sure, but that's due to a chemical eaction. The thing that annoys me most about your comment is that if you'd ever actually cooked some meat in a smoker you'd know that it stalls after a while and takes forever to reach target temperature. This is actually due to evaporative cooling but it just goes to show how bodies in a system will attempt to equilibrate. The reason water is used in sous vide is purely because water holds more energy and hence can transmit heat more efficiently, thus providing more even energy transfer. A temperature controlled oven would do exactly the same thing just a lot less efficiently; in fact there are devices like the Anova Precision Smart Oven that do exactly this. As it turns out, the reason things in an oven can actually reach higher temperatures is nothing to do with air convection at all. It's radiative emission from the element and black internal walls.
@tomgreen2058
@tomgreen2058 Жыл бұрын
@Shaun fair enough you did mention the heating element now that I reread it but you tried to link it to density instead of added heat radiation which doesn't make any sense. You continue to confuse temperate and heat energy plus you're still going on that weird density/insulation tangent that makes no sense. You do you, I'm sure your restaurant is doing fine.
@CarlosHdeTejada
@CarlosHdeTejada Жыл бұрын
I wonder if you should’ve let it rest a bit before slicing into it. Looks super juicy, so perhaps not. What was the internal temp when you pulled it out? Thanks for the video, amazing as always.
@chrisw6525
@chrisw6525 Жыл бұрын
This is interesting because I was thinking about doing a brisket similarly but instead a 4-10-2 really. 4 hours of smoking, 10-12 hours of sous vide, and 2 hours of high heat to give the bark a little bit of a crust.
@jamesgray143
@jamesgray143 Жыл бұрын
That is a good way.
@chrisharper5564
@chrisharper5564 Жыл бұрын
What was your Meater Probe Temp? Before you wrapped it?
@aeafisme23
@aeafisme23 Жыл бұрын
Everytime I steam the meat the bark falls off... Everytime I just wrap light and let rest the bark is amazing and meat is super tender. I'm always afraid to spend two days just to find out my bark is wasted!
@johnnytoobad4287
@johnnytoobad4287 Жыл бұрын
That looks great! One question. I use charcoal so the 4- 2 I can do. I can do the 10 in my oven but it only goes down to 175F.will that be ok? Thanks
@TheCannaBBQ
@TheCannaBBQ Жыл бұрын
Juicy!!! I’d try this method!
@jfreakinl4719
@jfreakinl4719 Жыл бұрын
I smoke mine at 270 for 6-8 hours and rest in the oven wrapped in tallow or another fat for 10-12 hours at 170. Always comes out juicy and perfect. Jussayin. There is no perfect "method" to this, just do what works.
@Aaron.Davis56
@Aaron.Davis56 Жыл бұрын
I agree with you, no perfect method. How many people cook with wagu? The smoker, meat, heat source, ambient, etc. factor in so much. Also, everybody's taste buds are different ... lol
@ignoranceisnotatrend4669
@ignoranceisnotatrend4669 Жыл бұрын
Jfreakinl, does it still taste smoked or does it have more of a oven roast taste? Please comment back and let me know. 👌🏾👌🏾👌🏾
@jfreakinl4719
@jfreakinl4719 Жыл бұрын
@@ignoranceisnotatrend4669 it tastes like well smoked brisket. Now, the pellets you use make all the difference as well. Ive even done 160-180 for 4 hours with a smoke tube amd then bump it up slowly and "boat" or wrap with smoked tallow to push past stalls, and then rest in my oven on 170 for 10 hours. And it turns out great. Try what works best for you. If you want to experiment, buy prime Chuck roasts from Costco and treat them like briskets. They taste FANTASTIC, that way.
@bobmarley2467
@bobmarley2467 Жыл бұрын
My dad does his brisket at 225 until it gets to 170-180 then wraps it with paper and turns the temp up to 275 and cooks to 200 and pulls it. He then wraps it in towel and puts in a cooler. The cooler I pretty much perfect for the brisket, it’s a longer shorter cooler that he drilled a small hole In the top of to check temp, he’ll slice it once it gets to 150 and it’s like butter.
@jimjacob8032
@jimjacob8032 Жыл бұрын
Spot on! The perfect way to do it!
@johnnycampbell3422
@johnnycampbell3422 Жыл бұрын
My tragger smokes at about 160F and not a lot of smoke. So, a light trim, season and on smoke in the evening till morning (8-12 hours). Get up and foil wrap it with a cup of bullion broth; back on at 250F (typically 4 hours) till internal temp is 195-200F. Then drop it in a cooler with crumpled paper or towels for 1-6 hours (whenever ready to serve). Only complaint is sometimes too tender and slices fall apart so, it all gets chopped.
@jj9955
@jj9955 Жыл бұрын
Zero smoke ring
@PITMASTERX
@PITMASTERX Жыл бұрын
True
@keiths.1423
@keiths.1423 Жыл бұрын
Get off the smoke ring wagon. Food scientists at Texas A&M have proven conclusively that smoke rings mean nothing regarding quality or quantity of smoke in a brisket. This is just another of the barbecue myths.
@baddguy76
@baddguy76 Жыл бұрын
The difference I see is no smoke ring, which is odd being it was done in a smoker. And viewers need to keep in mind, this is a wagyu brisket. Cost is probably around twice of a choice brisket.
@HVACRTECH-83
@HVACRTECH-83 Жыл бұрын
Try about 10 times the cost
@baddguy76
@baddguy76 Жыл бұрын
@@HVACRTECH-83 really? I never looked into it bc I'd never buy it lol
@davidwellbrock395
@davidwellbrock395 Жыл бұрын
Smoke ring is not there because the brisket is heated with electric heat. A “smoke” ring is nothing more than carbon monoxide. It’s not the smoke itself making it change color. Sorry to burst your bubble.
@NikoBellaKhouf2
@NikoBellaKhouf2 Жыл бұрын
@@davidwellbrock395 I've gotten smoke rings with an electric smoker. They were very thin smoke rings compared to the ones you get from an offset, but still they were there.
@keiths.1423
@keiths.1423 Жыл бұрын
Food scientists at Texas A&M have proven conclusively that smoke rings mean nothing regarding quality or quantity of smoke in a brisket. This is just another of the barbecue myths.
@MatthewSmith-cp3hu
@MatthewSmith-cp3hu Жыл бұрын
pmx is so practical and kind like a retired scientist who likes to cook
@pplint5143
@pplint5143 Жыл бұрын
Great shirt and great video. So to the point. Geniet van de dag 🐢. ✌
@stavros5540
@stavros5540 Жыл бұрын
the final 10 hours at 150 does not steam anything. water steams at 212 degrees. You can see in the end the pan that had all the juice in it, it was fat and literally all the water that you poured in at the beginning. None of the water evaporated. Your brisket didn't render enough because there was not enough heat. How do you get a brisket up to finishing temperature if the finishing temp isnt above the ambient temp? It's interesting, but it needs to be tweaked. Plus you used australian wagyu. You could have done that brisket hot and fast in 1/3 the time and it would of been better.
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