I've Been Wrong about Harley-Davidson (or have I?) | Low Rider ST Review

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[@thaumaturgeishere331]

Ian, no drop/lift test????

[@Dave-sw2dm]

With the optional drop guards it would have been pretty easy.

[@jokermtb]

We’ll give him a pass on this beast

[@renano95]

If you drop a harley you just leave it there and buy a new one :p

[@Dave-sw2dm]

@@renano95 , only if you are wimpy office worker.

[@Dave-sw2dm]

@@renano95 , even a girl can pick up a full touring bike. kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y4eQnKpor7qeias

[@ckfvideo]

As a motorcyclist who is brand agnostic and has had bikes from all categories I recently bought my first Harley Davidson (M8 Softail) and I agree with a lot of the points here. Overall, I absolutely LOVE the bike, the riding experience and the style. I know HD gets a lot of hate from riders who aren't into the cruiser aesthetic but there is something special about them. The smiles per mile factor is pretty high.

[@243wayne1]

@flippy5118 Wrong. This bike will dust you and your crotch rocket unless it says Ducati on it. Which yours does not. Class dismissed.

[@IndyMotoRider]

@@243wayne1 you're funny.

[@243wayne1]

@@IndyMotoRider It WILL dust you.

[@azadr9231]

Please do more Harley reviews. The problem with Harley reviews is that they're often done by Harley lovers and they're always full of praise. I prefer a Harley review by a non-Harley guy like you because I trust the review more. I suggest Street Bob and Fat Bob next please.

[@BigRockMoto]

Agreed thanks

[@rayfriedman9625]

What's to trust? If you're into Harleys (or want to be), you're telling me this non-Harley rider's opinion is going to persuade you one way or the other? Don't make me laugh! Oh--wait--maybe you'll buy an Indian instead? Haha-haaa!

[@Cabooseified]

@@rayfriedman9625 and here lies the problem with the Harley community. Drink the Kool aid and live by the Kool aid. The OP is correct. If Harley wants to reach out to non Harley riders they need to send bikes to non Harley riders. The Harley community is one of the reasons why people stay away from Harley.

[@rayfriedman9625]

@@Cabooseified Bit of an Echochamber isn't it?

[@Cabooseified]

@@rayfriedman9625 yup, kinda my point with die hard Harley riders only doing reviews. It's kinda like North Korea doing reviews on North Korea. Only say what the party thinks.

[@kawabungah20]

It's a strong, positive testament for Harley-Davidson to have the courage and confidence to offer its products to an impartial, albeit non-HD enthusiast, solid moto-journalist with a reputation for thorough and objective product reviews. I've watched nearly all Big Rock Moto reviews and am always impressed by your thoughtful, detailed and concise offerings. I always learn a lot about motorcycling! Thanks.

[@dsiz9421]

Still behind the 8-ball and asking to much for the name.

[@2kanchoo]

One really would think so. But once you've had one of the many many many that have had tons of issues you get soured a bit. I have this bike and its had tons of things wrong or falling apart etc that a new bike should simply not have and the way most of the dealerships have been handling it has been LESS than what one expects or should get, especially considering the premium price you pay just for the name ontop of the what the bike is actually worth in the total cost.

[@mikemerrill175]

Great review. Harley has clearly vastly improved their bikes over the years. I gave up on them when my evo ultra classic fragged the engine a $600 tow bill & $4500 repair bill (90’s dollars) from anywhere on a 100 degree day. Replaced it with a BMW that I sold a fat boy to fund and never looked back. BTW, pullback bars & a backrest makes the feet forward position all day comfortable.

[@jeffshootsstuff]

Great review. I've owned and ridden Harleys (and Hondas, Kawasakis, BMWs, KTMs) for 30 years, and the leg to seat position is the primary ergonomic issue. My H-D XR1200 is significantly better, with rearsets closer to below the seat and a higher seating position. The Pan America is an excellent choice for the "sport-touring" rider, and the new engine is a MONSTER.

[@opmike343]

These videos are really well done, man. I mean that truly, as I'm someone that practically lives on KZbin watching videos and reviews and yours always stand out for me.

[@timothydubber549]

I Love the looks of these and probably the only Harley (Pan America excepted) that I would ride. My main issue (and yes I’ve ridden a Harley before) is the stupid peg position. It’s not dynamic or even particularly comfortable. Even these ‘mid’ pegs are way too forward. Put the pegs in the position for proper control of a motorcycle and Harley might actually get some younger customers. For a motorcycle this expensive to not come with premium, fully adjustable suspension is outstandingly crap too.

[@geeeee8268]

Depends how tall you are. If you are taller than 5.7, even mid controls will give you cramps. This is just a nature of low-seat cruiser in general. As for suspension, well... welcome to "premium brand" LOL... I own Iron 1200, the now extinct, with forward controls and that's the only somewhat comfortable position. And as you said, except maybe Pan America, no plans on overpaying for any other HD offering any time soon. Those bikes simply way too expensive for what they are if you are not bound by some MC rules or something.

[@jmart4005]

I ride adventure bikes and have a Harley Softail Deluxe. 90% of the time my rides are short, after work jaunts and the 90% of the time I jump on the Harley. Looks great, love the grunt... wouldn't want to ride it more than an hour or two. I think of it as an old muscle car vs a new BMW M3... each has a place. As usual, great review Ian!

[@BigRockMoto]

Well said

[@bryanmathew2079]

Great Discription Of Bikes HeLps me Decide, GLad You Left Comment.... i`m Leaning Towards a.d.v StyLe Bike Now. But This Do's Look CooL.

[@mitch2519]

I am late to comment on this excellent review. As a former ADV rider I had to give up going hard off road. My 60+ year old body couldn't take the hits any longer. After a lot of searching and test riding I purchased a HD Road KIng Special. I never pictured myself on an HD......Ever. I grew up riding enduro. The cruiser had no appeal to me. But after just one demo of that Road King and I was hooked. In response to Ian's comment about riding position I will note two things. First, a Dyna / Softail frame bike, like the FXRT, has a more feet forward position than the HD's built on their touring frame. I did not care for the riding position of the Softail or FXRT. They are beautiful and impressive but just not as comfortable, and especially on longer rides. The touring frame bikes sit more upright with your feet in a position like you're sitting in chair. That makes them all-day comfortable. Secondly, with every HD you have to find the righ saddle and handlebar set-up that works best for you. Once I found my saddle and the right bars riding all day long was a pleasure..........Thanks to Ian for a very good review of a motorcycle he would normally never consider. Nicely done.

[@blackbuttecruizr]

I rode this bike several times, ergonomics killed it for me. Not only the rider triangle, but at 6'1" my right shin was in constant contact with the air cleaner and was quite painful. I loved the handling and power, but couldn't justify dropping $25k plus on a bike that I would then have to spend $2-3k more to make it fit me, between pegs, air cleaner, bars and windshield.

[@IndyMotoRider]

Also 6'1" thanks for the info.

[@johnanderson9735]

You have the rider position critique correct. I had a 2019 Lowrider and had to change the handlebar to help me sit back some, and the seat to help change my leg position. I tried to make mine a touring bike but it never worked out. I now have a Goldwing and a Africa Twin, so no discomfort on any ride now.

[@corychartier7961]

I ride a Himalayan in India year round. But in USA I bought a Road king and on long US rides on interstates and highways it was great for up to 500miles a day. Next time I am home I will adjust the handle bats though as I don't like the outstretched arms

[@sickunit2096]

I bought a 2022 Lowrider S (FXLRS). My 40th motorcycle and 1st Harley. Built it up the way I wanted, including an FXRT style fairing. Rode it from PA to Cape Cod, around the New England area, then back to PA. I traded it in on a Road King Special when I got back. Couldn’t take the riding position. Despite the terrible riding position, I loved that bike but it had to go. In addition to the Road King, Im planning on getting a Pan America. Your P.A. review helped me decide on one. Despite having owned such adv bikes as two GSs, an F800GSA, Aprilia Tuareg, and a KTM 950 Adv, Im very excited about the bike. Thanks for the great, insightful reviews.

[@Brett-k8b]

To bad your not educated on parts , bunch of company’s made true mids or foward controls and hella different handlebar applications ..

[@murlyn2]

Great job on this. I think your direction of reviewing different bikes is great. I’m a fan of the same type of bikes as you so it’s nice to see what you think of other types

[@TzeiEm]

I tried this same bike a few weeks back and agree with the windshield. Despite many reviewers saying "it's amazing and you don't feel any wind at all!" there definitely was the wind pushing right onto my visor (I'm 176cm or 5'9" for reference) at speeds over 100 km/h which are really the speeds that you need a windshield at in the first place. Fortunately it wasn't terrible because indeed there wasn't that much turbulence, but to say you are in a windfree pocket is a major overstatement

[@Robert8455]

First 5 mins kind of summarized my issue with the seating position, the then the heavy weight, then the pretty high cost makes it even less desirable for me. It is a good looking machine and I would like to maybe give it a ride but not sure I'd want to buy one. Great review and the filming was very cool too. I think your comment on the traction control was also spot on.

[@aintnodisco7127]

I had a HD Low Rider (2015?) and loved it. However, the mid-leg position was one of those things that I learned to hate. I don't know if the faring changes anything, but on the naked bike, the wind stream would push my knees outward. For short jaunts around town I'd never notice. But getting on the highway for any period of time, I'd get serious thigh fatigue fighting against the wind stream. It got to the point of considering velcro on my inner knees to hold them in on bike so I could relax my muscles while on cruise control. For folks considering these cruisers, they're fine bikes. But make sure your road test includes some highway miles to see if that feeling bothers you.

[@243wayne1]

Quit complaining, or maybe you should quit riding altogether. Perhaps buy a bike that says Barbie on it...

[@IndyMotoRider]

@@243wayne1 asshat comment #2, let's see how many more I can find.

[@djking44151]

Honestly I never though I'd see you reviewing a bike like this but I'm very grateful but your reviews and very comprehensive.

[@rv7pilot]

Awesome, unbiased and honest review. I own a Harley Road Glide Special with full Ohlins suspension, motorcross handlebars, and basically stock 114 engine and love it. Kind of similar to this bike but much more comfortable. I also own a 2020 Africa Twin with the DCT and I installed the optional foot shifter. Love it too. Love your channel. Keep it up!

[@BigRockMoto]

thanks!

[@metalmystic6214]

Great review. They added traction control with the 23 model year as an option. I believe it’s standard now on all 24 models. I bought a 23 FXLRS and traction control was a must have. Bought a pull back plate so I’m not bent forward to reach the bars.

[@michaelskinner896]

Nice review! Your riding commentary content is some of the best. Although I would probably never own one of these, it is a good looking bike.

[@paul.vanhout57]

I have never owned a HD but have come to appreciate their role in the market and given more space, time and $$ would consider having one in my garage. I would think there are handlebar and seat options, etc to address ergonomic challenges.

[@AdoreYouInAshXI]

best review on this bike I've seen. I love the no nonsense information delivery. The walk around at the beginning, especially the dedicated riding position part of the video, was so helpful. Most people just review a bike while sitting on it and riding, and riding position is one of the most important things to me. I wish Harley made a bike similar to this with a more upright position (or Indian, but Indian is even worse with their Scout and Chief).

[@Ruidac0]

It's funny how you don't like things Harley riders don't care about (weight, handlebar set up: that's something everybody will change) and you like things Harley riders don't like (the stock sound of the exhaust for instance). But it is refreshing to see a difference perspective. Great review.

[@luisochoa2121]

Well.. honest review it was . Coming from someone who has two Harley’s softail deluxe and street glide I did enjoy the honest review . I watch your channel and you def helped me on choosing my next bike which it was the husky Norden 901. So far I love it . Thank you again for all the detail info and honest reviews. Folks all men are not created equal and neither are the bikes . This is Y they make handle bars, seats , pegs and tons of aftermarket accessories. Be comfortable and enjoy the ride . Love the dirt bike content too👍🏼

[@mcsulla]

My two bikes - Norden 901 and the Low Rider ST. Absolutely love both of them and always debate which to take out for a given ride.

[@BigRockMoto]

Awesome

[@MHeadroom]

A very fair assessment and I agree with your ergonomic opinion- simply not a touring position that offers long range comfort. I also found the 117 to generate far more heat than my 107 Sport Glide. I was interested at first, but after a good test ride I’ve decided to stay with my 3 year old Sport Glide which is far more comfortable and relaxed. Nice review. 👍

[@silverfiste]

My problem with cruisers is on the two i have, a Yamaha Road Master and a HD VRod, I scrape the pipes and floorboards on both of those motorcycles. I really like to dig into corners, picked that up from sport bikes.

[@cavscout62]

Actually Harley Started this style back during the FXR Days. Nothing holds the road, especially in high crosswinds better than Harley-Davidson Motorcycles with all that engine weight down low. Also nobody offers as much customization at the factory and dealership as H-D. Having ridden them for 30 years I know a bit about them. Having said that I love my 2021 T7.

[@feloniousmonk3049]

My Milwaukee 8 powered 2018 Sport Glide at 700+ lbs rode like sh*t in gusty crosswinds. No comparison to my BMW 1250 RT.

[@justicenotobedience4176]

Hello BRM, I have a cruiser Victory XC and love it, 600 mile days use to be no problems , but my back at 61 is saying no no no, 4 crushed disks & arthritis. Hence why i am following you, ride positions & your content, etc etc, ( I'm in Australia) tested the Pan America, CMF Moto 800mt, and the 890R. loved/disliked all of them for different reasons, now i'm waiting to test ride the Desert X when one becomes available, they landed in oz mid September. BMW1200R will be the last thing I'll test, love the look and the seating position,(not ridden one yet) but must give the others a ago. So in closing I'd like to thank you for your channel and the way you show case the motor cycles.

[@guyconnell2250]

On a new Harley, the bars, usually the seat, usually the pipes, often the windshield, usually the pegs/other controls pass the "Wow!" test on the showroom floor but fail the riding test. In my opinion this is an integral part of the HD marketing genius. For just a few thousand dollars more you can hit up the Parts and Accessories department with your temporary 10% off new buyer discount and hit up the shop for labor and have a different seat, different bars, and different all the rest. Also, the absolutely vast HD aftermarket thrives due to these factors.

[@hugh_janus121]

Looking at getting into riding next year, I'd be a total beginner, but man do I want to get one of these. I like the look of it.

[@ryanking6811]

Thank you for the in depth review Ian. I’ve watched a few videos on the bike from other channels, but no one has mentioned the seating position like you have and I really really appreciate hearing your insight. I thought the bike looked really cool and fun, and thought this might be the first Harley I’d consider buying. But seating position and comfort is a much more important quality of a bike over style. That’s why my DR650 looks so goofy with its big windshield!

[@BigRockMoto]

Glad it was helpful!

[@Laksujaakso]

Changing the seat and risers on a Harley to fix the rider triangle is a no-brainer. I so much want this bike but I’d need to get a test ride with an aftermarket seat so I could figure out whether the fairing works at highway speeds or not 😅

[@revilok8698]

Almost no one keeps their Harley in stock configuration. A simple bar/ riser swap, new seat, and mini boards would do a world of improvement towards comfort. Harley's are so easy to make it fit you compared to other bikes.

[@oleran4569]

@@revilok8698 Yeah. Different bars/risers, seat and windscreen cost should probably be considered as part of acquisition cost. It's just part of setting up a "new" bike.

[@mattgoodmangoodmanlawnmowi2454]

Don’t like the riding position. But the bike appears to have several features that provide easy upgrade paths via subsequent improvements to the base model and/or via Screaming Eagle upgrades. My 02 Triumph Daytona 955i with a Matt Capri Stage one tune puts out more than 60% HP and is noted for its solid engine, smooth handling and broad power curve. Got mine with 12K miles. Only problem is I only saved about $17K over the Lowrider. Got to give it to HD for generating lots of revenue by trickling out incremental improvements. But I could add a track bike and still have $10k or so left. See you at the next traffic light. 😎

[@reinistraidas]

I’m coming from a long list of GS’s and Bonnevilles and strangely enough, I don’t find the ST to be that uncomfortable. Yes, it does have that “cruiser slump” which can be remedied with a more pulled back riser or bar combo. But my back doesn’t seem to mind the high pegs and I don’t know why. I guess it maybe depends on the lenght of your torso and arms. I am also 5’11, 32” inseam and with the stock setup my shoulders are just a tad rolled forward. Bringing the bar 2 inches closer makes me totally upright. And when upright, the lower back and hip bend ratio ceases to be too tight.

[@BigRockMoto]

thanks, good info

[@mfuchs2004]

Agreed on moving bars back. It made all the difference on my RG. It's the only bike in my garage that I can ride all day without pain.

[@300shields]

Another great review! I ride a Multistrada 950 and am looking to buy a lowrider S, the same bike without the fairing and bags. This was the best review I have seen to date. Thank you!

[@dougB4454]

Nice review Ian. I also own and enjoy a variety of motorcycles including a Road King and an adventure bike. What drives me broke is Harley gear only looks and feels right on a Harley.

[@Raguvian]

I'm so glad you talked about the seating position not being the most comfortable - most people think I'm crazy for saying foot forward controls are not comfortable due to my hips being too cramped. Glad I can point them to this video instead.

[@revilok8698]

But the good thing about Harley is that you can make easy mods to make the bike fit anyone. Not every bike can do that to the same degree.

[@davidknows3320]

unless you are me. Having my left knee cramped up under me with rear set pegs hurts after a short ride. Ill take a forward control bike every time. Different flavors for different needs.

[@martinXY]

Harley make a catalogue that fixes that. I added pullback risers to short dude foot controls to my 2015 Fat Bob. Perfect. Nearly. Still 1 foot down at lights.

[@DerpEye]

@@revilok8698 Most bikes don't need being modded though.

[@revilok8698]

@@DerpEye ​ You couldn't be more wrong. That's why the aftermarket parts companies are able to exist. Just go on ANY forum and you will see it. Yes, there are a handful of people that don't like spending the extra money or their stature just fits the bike they bought, or they just put up with it, but modding a motorcycle is common throughout. It's just that some brands have way more options than others.

[@mike2525able]

Great review, it is spot on. I just bought one and am working on adjusting items to make it work for comfort, like starting with a forward seat.

[@CPUspeed]

The sitting on bike segment is so helpful and then to explain further based on bike what’s problematic about it is icy on the cake 👍🏼

[@ijaxon6675]

Why I switched from a Harley to a BMW. The promoted features for my UltraClassic: CD, AM/FM Radio with CD in comparison with a GS with Cornering ABS, traction control, dynamic ESA, heated grips. I wanted riding dynamics features, not bells and whistle features that don't contribute to the riding experience. Even my 08 RT had more feature than a HD and was less experience. The first time I rode a BMW I lost my allegiance to HD.

[@iggynub]

Appreciate taking a stab at something that's not your cup of tea, and the cope from comments is palatable. Regarding comfort, this is why you'll see guys on the West coast have 6-10" risers into a moto-bar. Due to the front-end rake, they controls come back towards you. Try a customized one if you can.

[@vampiresquid]

You should look up big words like “palatable” before using them.

[@trucker-d4161]

Absolutely love your reviews, even bikes I don’t think I’m interested in, you seem to get my attention. Not a Harley guy, but love your input. I am hoping and praying you get to review the new vstrom DE. I think they actually turned it into a adventure bike. Thx!

[@rkane01]

yes, agree to idea of open minded.....I have enduro, I have adventure, I actually have a honda cruiser, I have a sports bike and yes I like your review of harley low rider .... I am keen to find out more before i go down to my local dealer to work on seeing if I will purchase another bike for my collection...

[@redwood_shores]

Simply the best reviews out there, my go-to place.

[@hirdy161]

I got an 07 street bob - I think because of the seating position these bikes really benefit from a windscreen or a fairing - something mine currently doesn't have. I'm 5"10 and I have to lean forward a lot to open the throttle up to stop the acceleration pushing me back in the seat. This Low Rider ST is probably a lot sportier and better handling than mine, but I love mine anyway.

[@KalJoao]

I'd love for you to get a hold of a BMW K1600B. Crazy I know, but I'm interested in that and this as a first bagger/cruiser as a GS guy! Great review as always!

[@fugi9604]

Finally a honest, detailed review about seating position. Good looking motorcycle, especially in this colour, but only for yoga instructors. A ST, similar to “King of the baggers”, but with relaxed ST seating position instead of sporty and with such engine would be a motorcycle with a lot of character. Not only to look at but also to ride it……

[@JarrodSWeaver]

You might be surprised what guys who “ride bikes like this” actually do with them. It’s not all group rides down the interstate…. I ride both ADV bikes and Harley-Davidsons - have for decades - and do my best to rip on both. The only thing I don’t do is group rides. Go easy on the bias and don’t pigeon hole the group/brand. BTW - I appreciate the solid review and am glad you liked the bike. Your comments about the foot controls are spot-on. I typically put rearsets, top shelf suspension, different risers/bars on my H-Ds. Only then am I ready to ride them and really enjoy them for what they are.

[@sv650nyc7]

Harley riders do a very fine job of pigeonholing themselves, they don't need any outside help.

[@JarrodSWeaver]

@@sv650nyc7 Can't argue with that statement unfortunately....

[@da72ma]

I like this bike a lot but the issue with most HD dealers are the blown up pricing and the overcharging in fees... also Harley ended with the Sports Glide one of my other favorite bikes...

[@matthewberwald1691]

The thing about bikes like this typical american cruiser that you have to remember is that people can and will customize everything on the bike to optimize it as they see fit. Ergonomics, performance, cosmetics. Someone else mentioned a backrest and pullback bars. I second that lol. It takes all of the pressure off of my lower back, and allows me to thoroughly enjoy the time I spend on my VTX1800. I wouldn't be comfortable on it for more than 30 minutes otherwise. Some people swear by T-bars, some love ape hangers. Foward controls, mid controls, fairing/windscreen. Just depends on what all works for you.

[@diyeveryday67]

Great review Ian! Currently ride. F900XR which is a great around town bike, but looking shopping for a “Sport Touring” bike that I can log some miles on and carve corners with along the way. This bike intrigues me as I am Harley curious. Sport bike styled bikes have always captured my eye, but there is something about the looks of this bike that I like. I have a hard time accepting the lack of technology & adjustability vs the Harley MSRP, when compared to German or Japanese bikes.

[@blainethurlow5483]

regarding the comfort, a LOT of Harley riders change the foot controls and bars, almost like you're weird if you leave it stock. Some forward controls and pulled back bars would make it a lot more comfortable IMO

[@wine_country_moto]

Not into cruisers but your reviews are great and I learn about all models.

[@65BAJA]

Went to the HD dealership today to sit on a '23 Pan America Special. It was nice. I also sat on a Road Glide Special. I've never really been a HD fan but that thing was niice. Going back next weekend to ride a used Pan America Special. Going to see if they will let me ride a Road Glide too.

[@ChavsADV]

You nailed it with the riding position. I ride with a few die hard Harley guys and they swear I'm the one who is uncomfortable but I can only ride their bikes for about 30 minutes before my back and shoulders start feeling weird. Not to mention I don't feel like I'm RIDING a bike but rather riding a two wheeled car. You are just sort of sitting on it.

[@wayneireland5896]

Had a wee Strom (which I loved) but had trouble with my knees cramping on long rides because of the riding position, bought a softail sportglide (which I love) no more problem....keep up the good work Ian 👍

[@That_Paul_Guy]

I enjoy your reviews but I also enjoy seeing people who don't traditionally ride HDs review them. I started riding MCs on Harley b/c that's what my friends would ride. I eventually tried some Euro bikes and added a Ducati Monster to my garage. I found out all about lean angle and I was hooked. I sold my HD and Monster (b/c it was used and problematic), bought a BMW RT and didn't look back for several years after another Ducati and then Triumph Speed Triple. Tried another HD for about 6 months and then back to Ducati on a Multi. I've been on that style of bike since about 2015. I do love HDs but after having ridden other bikes, the seating position is an adjustment and I find pain in my lower back after 15 minutes on a demo ride.

[@BigRockMoto]

Agreed

[@brianq103]

Ian, I know it's counter intuitive, but this bike is WAY more comfortable with the foot pegs farther FORWARD! They call these mid controls, but to me with this seat height, it feels like my knees are in my ears, and I'm only 5'8"! You'd have to raise the seat height about 6 inches to put them where you were thinking. They did do that at one point; it was called the XR1200.

[@peternishan1009]

I believe the bike has traction control just not the rest of the RDRS system which includes TPMS, lean sensitive IMU , hill hold

[@Hogdriver88]

Good on you for branching out - you wouldn’t get this honest a review from a brand specific channel. And your product B-roll is on point! Remove the fairing and bags and this bike would look good, but that seating position - no. For about the same money, a Road Glide, or spend the extra money and go for the Road Glide Special. I love my Road Glide Limited (and GSA!). Great review 👍

[@gerthilmersen6187]

I Will buy a 2023 low rider st. I am 6 foot, have long arms, I sit straigt up with my back on it. The mid controls I Will try to get used to it, have heard it Can take a littel time to get use to, but It Will be great and good controls in corners. Think is very good looking bike, love all the things you Can use this bike for, and it is good in motorway with the wind shield. You still get Wind, but it is good Wind, and it is comfortable.

[@thomasbartlett6771]

Great looking motorcycle and review!! While I'm not a Harley Owner, I do believe that M8 is their best platform ever to build upon. Thanks for the inspirational posting!!

[@larryboody6737]

My 7th Harley and current bike is a Pan America. It's tall and I'm tired of climbing on board. The factory seat and the sundowner seat pushes the rider into the gas tank. The very expensive Sargent seat is a little better. So I'm thinking hard about jumping to an ST. Im concerned about the ergonomics. Thank you for addressing these things

[@posteroonie]

One reason that I don't like the foot-forward seating of cruisers is bumps. I putting my weight on the pegs, with a few inches of air under by arse, just before I hit a speed bump, pothole, construction dip, or some other vertical upset. My spine doesn't take the hit. Forward controls, combined with 1950 levels of rear suspension travel, is just bad engineering for bumps.

[@jimanders9971]

I would say this bike is in the same marketing segment as the Triumph Rocket 3, and it is pale in comparison. The Triumph has more power, control, and electronic enhancements. Way more bang for your buck on the Rocket.

[@gcprost]

I was surprised at how fair and balanced this review is. Most Harley reviews are done by people who love or hate Harleys. I currently own a Royal Enfield Himalayan but I did own a Road King and 1200 Sportster for 10 years. I watched this review because I kinda missed them. I thought that my Road King was very comfortable but I changed the bars the seat and the shocks. The Road King also has floor boards. You are right that you can’t take the weight off your butt when there is a bump. The bike does something to your lower back. On long rides I would have to wear a kidney belt. On my Himalayan, I have never felt the need for a belt, although to be fair a long day on the Himalayan is about 500 miles when I was on the Road King a long day would be 800 miles. I found that the Road King was very easy to ride, especially at low speeds. I think that’s why they are so popular with seniors. I’m 68 by the way.

[@ridingwithrusso7790]

Great review! I really appreciate the fact that even though you clearly wouldn’t have one in your garage you can give a in-depth review. Not my thing either but honestly I think it may be one of the coolest looking bikes period! If I had a ton of money I’d get one just to look at and take on short rides.

[@BigRockMoto]

Thanks

[@rayfriedman9625]

Mmm hmm--that's one way to rationalize it.

[@turtle19dad]

I’m getting towards the older side and appreciate that it’s lighter than the touring bikes. I would so do one.

[@k.e.m.k9engineeringminute576]

I've been riding Harleys(s) since 1988 and one thing Harley owners know is the bike you buy is a blank canvas. Once you get it, you and customize it to your liking. Harley has an endless sea or parts to customize your ride just the way you want it. Adjusting the fit and ride of your Harley is no problem. Risers, bar style and bar position, foot controls and placement etc can all be adjusted and customize to your liking which is why the Harley community love their rides.

[@JACKRABBIT-hd3dx]

They should just sell a frame and and motor then

[@armadilllo]

I test rode one today, agree with everything about riding position. I would need a taller seat because my hips and spine were taking a beating and/or lower bars with more pull back. I could probably like it with some adjustments but as it is it's an unnatural riding position for me. I did find I got used to the higher pegs after a while. It's like a bigger Sportster. The brakes on my Road King do feel stronger though.

[@Brett-k8b]

Not buying a motorcycle cause you can’t get a different seat ? I don’t get u dude

[@hoss6048]

120,000 subscribers? Dang man I watched your content when it was far less than that before I subscribed. I think you should know that you don’t need to be a stereotype riding HD. I ride all gear all the time and enjoy life with my Road Glide. I also have a GSA. Nice to have variety. All HD I’ve owned, I have to buy parts to adjust for comfort. Seats, bars, peg position. When it’s right there ain’t nothing like em.

[@acnoland9598]

Putting pullback risers on it, helps with the riding position.

[@Charlie-fc1mh]

As always, another great review Ian. Not knocking Harley, I've just never been into them.

[@vampiresquid]

Dislike the narrow bags, which seem pointlessly small. The reason that became the “west coast” style was for lane-splitting at high speeds, which does not apply where I live. The display is a joke - what’s up with that? I think I’d just get the the S version and go with aftermarket bags and fairing. At least you’d get analog dials. The exposed air intake looks badass, but I’m not sure how that would work in the rain. I like that it comes with traction control. I don’t care for the styling overall. Sort of bland if you ask me, and almost Japanese.

[@mrman487]

I have the the Lowrider s and have a love-hate going on with the seating position. It's a fun ride.

[@rdspice2]

Great review as always. I’d be interested in a review from you of the new Indian Challenger compared to this. Thanks for your reviews. Thanks to you I went with the AT over the Norden. While it’s a nice do it all bike, I may end up getting a dedicated cruiser and something like a KTM 500 or 300 Rally for dirt. Missing out this weekend though. At the hospital with a Crohn’s flare-up but will be back to riding soon! I know you understand how that can be. Thanks for everything you do Ian! I appreciate you.

[@andrewharris3380]

Worked on Harleys for 26 years and your right most riding positions are awful Ps great channel

[@dcxplant]

I just did two Iron Butt rides the last six weeks with my H-D Softail Deuce, which has forward controls. I find the forward controls very comfortable. I test rode this model and hated the foot position. This is a mid-control, but also a bit higher than previous mid-controlled H-D for better lean angle. The pegs and the Heavy Breather intake banging my shin drove me nuts. I can't believe you didn't mention the intake.. must not have been a factor for you. I enjoy your vids because we have the same build and height, and ride very similarly. Also in my stable are a GS, KLX300R with plates/lights, and Ural Gear Up.

[@ryanmalone2681]

The only classic cruiser that I’ve ridden that felt quick, and I’ve ridden all,of them like M109r stage 2 tune), VROD, Raider, etc., was the VMAX. I don’t consider the new Rocket III or the Diavel classic cruisers.

[@k9m42]

VMAX is an upright sport bike. Definitely not a cruiser.

[@motodiaries8204]

I agree that this bike is good looking and sounds great. I rode Harley for years but have since switched to a Gold Wing which I love. Having been around Harleys and Harley dealerships for years, it's obvious that they sell a nostalgic lifestyle product. Performance and ergonomics are a distance second place to selling the old American tough guy lifestyle. I can appreciate the look, feel and sound of these bikes, I also have a lot of trouble with the primitive engineering that they engage in. At the prices these bikes sell for they should offer a lot more. They've made improvements over the last years as they've had to begin to compete with technically superior products from other manufacturers as their market share diminished. My Softail from just ten years ago had no ABS, no cruise control, no navigation, poor wind protection and a back and butt busting riding position. They actually had a thumbscrew under the throttle control to lock down the throttle for longer distance riding. It was incredibly dangerous as you struggled to engage and disengage it with the end of your thumb while you should be attending to the road. Their shock travel and damping were atrocious and it scraped floorboards on even the mildest of corners. The sportster I rode before that was far worse. I also worked in a Harley dealership and was shocked at the unpleasant environment at least at this one dealership. It really soured me on the brand. In the end, I guess it is a love-hate relationship but I would never ride another one.

[@anymouse6169]

SO what would happen if you got one of these and moved the pegs backwards and got different bars that put your hands in the right place? Would that handle better and be more comfortable, or would that not work right on a Harley, with the weight distribution being different from a traditional sport touring bike?

[@drainmonkeys385]

I find 2500 rpm to be a good place to be if you need immediate access to the powerband

[@alexred09]

The riding position is not a personal preference as everyone says. The body’s physiology demands certain ergonomics to be truly comfortable and I rode this bike and love it but ergonomically am struggling with it which is holding me back from a purchase, I’m currently looking for mods that would help it but need to make sure I can get it where I want it before I purchase.

[@Shah_creates]

@22:25. Traction control is an option on the '23 Lowrider ST.

[@mariuszirla7898]

Great material! Could you do some unusual session about using some other types bike for touring?? Just as an experiment. Example cb650R. Is this reasonable if someone is in love with those bikes but would like to travel on it??

[@Ringer1982]

You can travel on anything really. I would recommend to rent the bike you like for a day and go riding for 300-400 km. If the bike is comfy enough for you to ride for one hour in a row, or if you see an easy fix which would allow you to be comfortable on it for an hour then it's totally fine for touring. Of course on a dedicated touring bike you'll be much less tired in the end of a long ride. Another thing to keep in mind is luggage, think about how you are going to take stuff with you. For example if there are no cases offered on the bike, are there any mounting points to attach a net, etc... Touring with a backpack on the back is very uncomfortable for most people, so as a very least you need to be able to strap your backpack to the back seat.

[@paulstanley3265]

Great review all most got me to want to buy a HD . Is that a factory air filter because I ride a lot in rain and that does not look good for rain?

[@mrman487]

It has to be a complete downpour for you to feel it. At highway speed in rain and speeding up to 80 it will momentarily bog down for a second. You can just throw a rain sock over it. I believe the ST comes with one.

[@HyperSpaz]

Still waiting for the drop and pick up of the bike section… Nice review 👍

[@BryanHogan-ik1fk]

Sounds like you would need to dial in the fit with risers and etc. Pretty much like I do on every ADV bike I own. I think adjusting fit on any bike is just a given unless you are really lucky.

[@chasingtrail]

Harley wasn't even really on my radar until a couple of months ago when my neighbor insisted I ride his. I was enamored by it and I've wanted one ever since. I was set to get the LRST and did test ride one. The markup on these bikes is quite high and the best OTD price I found here in CA is $26,200. After talking with a number of long-time Harley riders I've been convinced to go with the touring platform over the Softail and am now planning to purchase a Road Glide ST. I'm 6'1" and also found the LRST pretty uncomfortable but I understand there are seat and peg options to address this. I absolutely love the power and engine characteristics of the 117.

[@MarvFitBikesKicks]

I adore this bike, especially in that 2023 sand color

[@mikeferrini8884]

I realize this is a year old. My wife has had hers for a year now and as a non-harley rider, this review is pretty spot on. What I would add in the cons section is how ridiculously expensive this bike is for what you don't get. The suspension sucks, has to be upgraded. Stock bags are more for looks than real function and have a wonky mounting system that is incompatibile with every other aftermarket bag out there, zero electronics - I mean not even heated grips. It does have cruise control, but no ride modes or active suspension components. The bike cost more than my BMW GSA and my GSA needs nothing to updgrade. Lastly I will add that the engineering on these bikes is low brow, basic crap. In order to service this bike I have to carry a mix of standard/metric/torque bit/allen and some very wonkey U-adapters to get at some really tight exhaust bolts. Oil changes are twice as long and require different oils because the trasnmission and engine are separate. No center stand of course and the bike has a really wonkey long throw side stand. You need a lift to properly work on it.

[@themarkbishop]

Great consonants on “Cup of Tea” …..very English and easy to understand

[@chrishaigh82]

good review, question, do you think your changing view of the big torque cruisers is due to the bikes improving or perhaps you are moving into the target demographic for the model.

[@Markdoubts]

I have bar risers and lowered foot pegs on my BMW RT. Cruiser, sport touring or touring no bike is perfect out of the box. I have buddies that modified the seat, pegs and handlebars on $30k BMW K1600s

[@thebigempty_5792]

No LED signals - up charge for anything other than black. A huge company like HD and they can't offer color options for the same price. I could understand metallic or some cool graphics edition, but just plain gray should not be extra.

[@TerraMagnus]

Ian, I hope you never get tired of that view leaving your driveway. Don't take it for granted.

[@jonlowing7907]

This is basically the Sport Glide all grown up, with functional fairing, identical panniers, dual discs and almost double the rear suspension travel.

[@bobberguy1]

Good video. Hope your homeowner's insurance doesn't watch. In my state, policy would be cancelled due to no safety rail at end of your driveway (insurance adjuster observation).