I Was Roman Catholic. Then I Became Amish. - Elizabeth Vendley

[@robertgortoniii9583]

I have found the older I get a better understanding of the Catholic Church teachings and I would never leave the Catholic Church. And, I live and grew up in the simple Amish way of life that I love and have stayed Catholic!!

[@abriltdulin]

Yes! Me too! I live as a Franciscan simplicity before it was Amish

[@abriltdulin]

Check out the Catholic Land movement.

[@DennisBonich]

I was born and raised a catholic, and left it when I was 24 years old, and stayed in the non-denominational camp for 6 years, I have recently returned back home. the Catholic Church truly is the one Church Jesus made.

[@abriltdulin]

@@DennisBonich fantastic!

[@JustThankinJesus]

I’d prefer to remain a Catholic (Latin preferred) living simply as the Amish do. I’m a child born in the 60’s and always felt I was missing something. So I kept looking until I found Catholic Answers to help out. And then continued seeking and finding lives of saints (st John Bosco, Joan of arc, Catherine of Siena, Therese of Lisoux.. and listening to more old school traditional teachings and it’s all become more clear!

[@gwendolynnorton6329]

@@JustThankinJesus that’s beautiful!

[@kathymacellis9478]

I feel the same way .

[@Charity-vm4bt]

J2muw667 Yes, as others said, yours is a beautiful testimony. Catholic Answers and his podcast, Shameless Popery, are wonderful. There are many beautiful teachings in the Catholic faith, such as the Theology of the Body teachings on human nature, marriage, becoming parents. The sacraments, the Eucharist, the Blessed Sacrament all bring a unique presence of Christ. These days, Bible studies are available. Such as Jeff Cavins and Fr. Michael Scmidt, the Bible in a year, with Ascension Press and EWTN, or Tim Gray with Formed are two contemporary studies on-line. There are others. It is important to have a Catholic Bible study as it is based on the original understandings and the fulness of the sacraments. It is possible to live a simple, community life within local Catholic parishes. I like the organic authenticity and the direct simplicity of original Catholic doctrine.

[@mariekatherine5238]

Gypped out of my faith by V2, but checked out just about everything except Catholic. That includes living with and among OOA and even Swartzentruber, Mennonites, finally found the real faith, the “traditional” Catholic Christianity.

[@StringofPearls55]

​@@mariekatherine5238You say your Catholic and bash Vatican II? Just say you're a cafeteria Catholic, it saves on words.

[@christopherfeeney1962]

I am flabbergasted at how someone could leave the Sacraments! The absence would just be too much.

[@AnabaptistPerspectives]

Anabaptists, including Mennonites, Amish, and others, practice the eucharist (usually we call it Communion), baptism, anointing the sick, etc.. We usually don't call them the Sacraments, and we do practice them.

[@user-ks3qr5fk6m]

@@AnabaptistPerspectivesYou don’t. You believe that they are only symbols.

[@meggo329]

​​​@@AnabaptistPerspectivesyou believe it's a symbol. We Catholics call them communion, baptism, confirmation, anointing of the sick, confession,marriage or priesthood as well as call them sacraments because they are. However they can only be a true sacrament in the catholic church the one true church. Amish is a cult. Disowning people is a cult thing. Your religion doesn't hold up to Steven Hassan's BITE model. This one test will tell you if your in a cult. Amish and all those types of sects are cults.

[@rebalspirit]

Another protestant here who was raised Roman Catholic. The types of statements here from Roman Catholics is why I never felt at home in Roman Catholicism. While I've always loved my parents with all my heart, they had a dark tendency to display this prideful arrogance that I'm witnessing here. While I no longer take such sin personally, I am repelled by it as a woman standing on the other side of the door from the crouching lion known as temptation. Growing up, I knew no Roman Catholics who sought to leave it all and follow Christ (priests and nuns don't count because they were held up as especially annointrd, different from the lay Catholic). We never read the Bible in my home growing up except Luke's telling of Christ's birth on Christmas morning. However, like Elizabeth shared as she recounted her journey, I am always defending the Roman Catholic church for their far superior litergy that includes readings from the Old Testament, including a Psalm that the congregation sings and readings from the New Testament, usually from one of the gospels. By the time I was 16 I had heard the gospel at least 833 times. Many protestant denominations cannot make such an impact because they read a few verses as opposed to a pericope.

[@DorcasRaber-l2v]

Very,very interesting ! Elizabeth has been a dear friend of mine, ever since the day I first met her at my in laws ( Ammon and Ada), in 1990.. I can testify that truly she has her focus on her Heavenly Father.I love her devotion to the Lord,her “ English” ways of expressing herself😇and her humor.❤️

[@generobinson4441]

This is very close to my journey. in January I left a mega church to attend a small Mennonite church. in June I joined the church and this has been the best decision of my life. The greatest blessing is the sense of community where I was welcomed with open arms. Don't be discouraged and keep seeking.

[@AnabaptistPerspectives]

Thank you for sharing your story of God's leading in your life.

[@littlewhitehouseinthecount3944]

How could you walk away from the Eucharist??? The Catholic Church is the only church that has Jesus truly present in the Eucharist. I will pray for you.

[@AnabaptistPerspectives]

Anabaptists, including Mennonites, Amish, and others, practice the eucharist, though we usually call it Communion.

[@meggo329]

​​@@AnabaptistPerspectivesunless a Catholic priest prays over it it isn't the body or blood of Christ. You take fake communion Catholics take real Communion that's why it's a sacrement. Again Catholics also call it communion. We take Communion every week Communion is the name of the sacrement.

[@rebalspirit]

Jesus is fully present in every Christian through his Holy Spirit. It is troubling how Roman Catholics limit the power of God by only seeing and proclaiming him in the Eucharist. Christ lives in me daily.❤

[@clairestevens3194]

How could she leave the Eucharist?😥. She didn’t understand what she gave up.

[@marilynbridges8697]

Maybe she understands it better than you do. 🙏

[@AnabaptistPerspectives]

Anabaptists, including Mennonites, Amish, and others, practice the Lord's Supper.

[@roseseifert8939]

I've really enjoyed this conversation.

[@christopherfeeney1962]

Exactly! ❤

[@clairestevens3194]

@@marilynbridges8697 No one can totally understand the Eucharist since no one can understand God himself. But it’s an actual re presenting Jesus’s once for all sacrifice to the Father and eating of the sacrifice, not just a dead lamb but the true body of the risen Lord. It isn’t only a memorial meal. Those who can turn their back on this don’t understand what they are leaving, are ungrateful, lack faith, or are in rebellion against God. Real Satanists are in the last group.

[@user-ks3qr5fk6m]

Her issue was that she was American. In Mexico, family comes to help when you are sick.

[@AnabaptistPerspectives]

We're glad to hear when families are strong!

[@NightOwl-M]

Catholic has many congregations to choose. Most of the congregations have third order for lay people. It is more difficult than living in a cocoon community like Amish, because you practically live in the modern world with normal clothing. She can also choose to join contemplative sisters or becoming a hermit like St. Charbel.

[@tetra4993]

While I'm glad she has maintained a desire and love for God, it's very sad to hear that such simple misunderstandings caused her to leave the Catholic church. I'm grateful to be growing in the faith in modern times in which there are so many online resourses to help clarify the many complex elements of our Church.

[@AnabaptistPerspectives]

What misunderstandings have you identified?

[@tetra4993]

@AnabaptistPerspectives I refer to 4:50 where she mentions not understanding Catholic communion, infant baptism, and why nuns wear habits. To be fair, she grew up in a time where you couldn't just "Google it," and most people, myself included, aren't exactly theologians, so to that end I can sympathize with her confusion.

[@Anna-ot4dj]

What an amazing story, the Lord is so loving and faithful! It was very encouraging to me when she said that God will open the doors to our path, and that we ourselves don’t need to take on that struggle alone. I am myself a follower of Christ since just a few years back, and I have noticed how important it actually is to stay in the word and keep a connection with God daily. I live in Sweden and we don’t have any churches (as far as I know) that are like the Anabaptists in the US, and still, the Lord has lead me on a journey that is slowly forming me into a Christian that more resembles a Mennonite than a Lutheran or Baptist. So far, my daughter has also come to the faith, praise be to God, and we are waiting and praying for my husband and my son to follow. Who knows where the Lord will lead us in the future, and listening to the sister’s testimony I’m even more exited to see what is yet to come. Thank you for all your content on this channel, it really serves as wonderful nourishment for my Spirit. May God bless you and keep you all safe ❤

[@AnabaptistPerspectives]

Thank you for the kind words and for sharing your testimony.

[@BramptonAnglican]

I enjoy stories like this. We have a former Catholic that joined our Anglican Church. I also hope for closer ecumenical ties between Mennonites and Anglicans.

[@AnabaptistPerspectives]

👍

[@EnosYoder-l9e]

I grew up Beachy Amish. My parents went to Conservative Mennonite. Got respect for my Beachy roots. Got nothing for most Mennonite groups. From Catholic to Amish; Looks like confused searching for Truth.

[@Charity-vm4bt]

Enos Yoder, I agree with your final comment. There is not much in common between the two faiths. Probably, nothing. My in-laws have both Amish and Catholic. With Catholics and Protestants, there is not much in common.

[@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr]

What scripture says you must wear specifically only a cape style dress? It's about obedience, and if you're just going to obey your authorities, why not obey the Catholics? You can pick your authority. Sure, you seemed like you had more in common with the anabaptists, canning and homesteading and such. Does that mean it's objectively the real church or does it mean your personalities fit with them in a non religious but social sense?

[@matildaentz2815]

Question? So I came out of a similar situation, a Hutterite colony. we basically have the same religious culture , Amish, and Mennonites but the Hutterites live in a community and have everything together. Nobody has his own car and the house belongs to the colony ,when we leave the church we cannot take the house alone. so we have to start out with renting a house, buying a car and groceries without money. So we were brought up in the colony believing that God put us in the colony for a reason that we have a chance for heaven, but all the rest of the world doesn’t even stand a chance to get to heaven. So leaving the colony and joining a church in the the outside world, these Christians , told us they have been praying for us for a long time that our eyes would be opened. So I am wearing the same clothes. These women are wearing.(but modest.) so what makes you think that your dress code makes you different than the Christians outside because they wear pants? God never stood out by his clothes. He stood out by his walk and talk, and that is what is supposed to make us different. so why is it that the man can wear all English clothing and the women are the ones standing out with a dress code?🙏🙏

[@mammaV61]

My preference for the way I dress is based on my choice. The conviction that it be modest comes from what the Holy Spirit does with the scriptures in my heart. But salvation is in Jesus Christ alone not our attire or church affiliation.

[@marilynbridges8697]

It is not the clothes that are different. Catholics have different doctrines.

[@earlsiebold536]

I can relate to her Spiritual quest. I was raised in a large protestant church in Canada and became a nominal member insofar as I had no idea what Christianity was beyond going to church and supporting socialist causes. Then one day I was walking across an open field when I fell on my knees and met the Lord. My life and the life of my wife and children was changed at that moment as I became Born Again. I left the church of my youth seeking to find out what that Person was that I met was all about. We started to go to an evangelical church with Mennonite roots and were baptised by immersion in the local river. We began to develop spiritually. I asked and my wife felt compelled to cover her head full time. I felt compelled to grow a full beard. We moved from the small town we were living in and in the new town we went to the local Baptist church. Our first day there the pastor thought we were Mennonite. A few years later we moved to a Mennonite town and joined the Mennonite church. This particular church was more evangelical than anabaptist not that it really mattered to us. It was a nice church and we were welcomed into it. One day a lady politician knocked on our door and asked for our vote. I informed her that out of personal conviction we don't vote. She thought we were Old Order Mennonite. I had no idea such a group existed.

[@AnabaptistPerspectives]

Thank you for sharing a piece of your journey.

[@lifeofj3768]

I would love to do an interview with you! I used to live on the streets and hung around with gangsters and had a very rough life. Now im fully converted to mennonite 😅

[@Seahawk-j3m]

Thank You so much. This popping up on my you tube feed has to be a “God” thing I feel. I live in the same state, share the same born and raised background and I don’t fit in with the “woke” nor care to be “of the world”. I live modest and rather simple, but I have no church nor community for support nor gathering. I’m a seeker but have no mentors. Please pray God will put someone in my path if it is His will.

[@loganseals3927]

A lot of her feelings and opening of doors is very similar to my experience with joining a Beachy church

[@AnabaptistPerspectives]

👍

[@gwendolynnorton6329]

Catholic translation! Yikes lady, where do you think your Bible came from?

[@AnabaptistPerspectives]

She was likely referring to a translation approved by the USCCB such as New American Bible, Revised Edition.

[@gwendolynnorton6329]

@@AnabaptistPerspectives well, I do understand that, but the implication was that the “Catholic “ translation is somehow inferior when the reality is that anytime another translation differs from the Catholic translation it has been deliberately changed to reflect a difference in doctrine preferred by those putting out the non Catholic translation. That’s clearly demonstrable not only linguistically but of course historically as well. Protestant scholars agree at this point. She wouldn’t have any Bible if it were not for the Catholic Church preserving western scholastics after the fall of Rome; including phonics and the alphabet, and for monks devoting their entire lives to meticulously writing down each page over hundreds of years. I don’t think she’s a bad person I know she’s my sister in Christ and God bless her. I just have so much difficulty understanding how someone can decide they like a different doctrine better and then try to find a way to make scripture support their ideas with total disregard for history. Like John Cardinal Newman famously said; “to be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant”

[@colleenconger5265]

@@gwendolynnorton6329well said! I am Catholic! The biggest gift in the world!!

[@RonnieStout-s4y]

​@@gwendolynnorton6329 I want to say I find all of that hilarious but I can't since it is such a serious matter. I have deeply studied the Roman Catholic religion & I came away completely disgusted & heavily soiled from it all. What got me is the fact that members of rhat Roman religion fail or refuse to look into it except for the vatican version & that is a doctrine all to itself of which you quoted almost drone like. To look 1st into the true origin date of that religion & the one y'all claim was my sign to go down the rabbit for well over a year. A catholic friend recommended what he termed as "church fathers" to read. Wow!! They did not read the way he quoted them & I could see the cut & pasting he & his fellow members use. A true study & to see the big picture of them was to see today with all the various opinions & cult practices. I can see a hundred years from now the Romans will apply Benny Hinn, Copeland & Olsteen as church fathers. It was a time for sure without the Inspired Word that could only be canonized by GOD using mere men as HIS tools only later to have prideful men claim they gathered & assembled it in order to down play & down grade it, truly satanic led. One has to really down play the Power of the FATHER. Well, I seen for myself why services were in Latin in non Latin countries in the 70's, I understood why the Roman Religion threatened death once again to those who dare had a copy of the Word or read it. We know why it was the RCC who did not encourage or teach people how to read but those you term as Protestants. You talk of monks that copied the Word down for us??? What manuscripts & writings did they use? We will never forget as so the rcc has admitted the thousands of forgeries it put out & continuedvwith the jesuits which is a dirty long study of its own. Manuscripts such as Sinaticus & Vaticanus is another deep study along with those that were in cahoots with the vatican. I can only say " WOW!" Looking into to each claim was greasy beyond measure starting from it's so called vicars of Christ. Oh the sexual immorality & deviance they were involved into yet this was what y'all vall the "mother church". I couldn't see my GOD or our only Mediator in that Then the massive murder campaign for centuries against True Saints of GOD that refused to submit to a new religion or a religious world emporer. Yes, take note, these were the TRUE original PROTESTANTS that the gates of hell could not prevail against - the true church - the Body of Christ which was founded on Peter's confession in Matt 16 of which most of your church fathers absolutely agreed but that you fail to teach or talk about. But the progression of doctrines that y'all put together over the centuries really were my sign, I mean who does that???? We get persecuted as Solas Scriptura folks & it's a very beautiful thing because our doctrines are laid out in that alone. You try to make cases for Mary, Rosary, idols/statues, priests, pope's, pomp, Vatican paintings of saints with the sun god behind their heads, purgatory, continued sacrafice of Christ, works salvation which you redefine as not, praying to dead people, transubstantiation but it fails with true Word of GOD but that's OK with y'all. That rabbit hole I went down led to a septic tank which is why I am so grieved by such an evil deceitful religion that it disgusts me so. For those caught up in it who feel a need to practice religion to feel justified refuse to see it carry on even to this day with the large percentage of admitted homosexuality in the clergy, the continued & continued covered up & purposely forgotten pedifilia to your current pope? How can you justify this? Oh, well it's been around for 2,000 years. OK, Satan has been around for how long? Does that make him right???

[@KatholischerRitter1]

​@@RonnieStout-s4y You have so much hatred and I pray that you will feel better. Im a convert to the Catholic Church and it has been the greatest thing in my life. The Catholic Church is the true Church founded by Christ himself who gave the keys to Peter. Your buddy Martin Luther took pages out of the Bible and wanted to add his own words with it. This lead to disagreements with Calvin, Zwingli and so many more Protestants. Which lead to sooo many denominations disagreeing with their doctrines. It still goes on in 2024🤣🤣 there's about 60,000 Protestant denominations with numbers adding every week, and their services are now pop concerts. That is why Protestants have no significant tradition. There's only 1 holy Catholic Church with rites in communion with them🇻🇦✝️, same with the Orthodox brothers☦️. Sacred Tradition, Sacred Scripture and Apostolic succession are the most important fundamentals in real Christianity. Protestants with no authority causes chaos and division. And you talk about the scandals, there's scandals everywhere. It's worse in your Protestant churches. There's always going to be bad apples trying to infiltrate institutions. So you have no excuse. The Eucharist, papal authority and confession are all there in the early Church. That is why more people are converting to traditional Christianity such as Catholic and Orthodox every year. I'll be gladly to provide you sources on everything 😊

[@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr]

"just kind of conform and go along with all the fishes" - literally exactly what Mennonites are told but ok lol

[@meggo329]

She doesn't want to conform to God and obey him so she chooses a cult.

[@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr]

@@meggo329 That is not true. She wants to obey God quite a bit. But God makes it incredibly cryptic and the holy spirit leads everyone in different directions. As many directions as there are people. Because the holy spirit is just you. It's extremely arrogant to just declare every other Christian who doesn't agree with YOU just isn't sincere. It's the way you have to reconcile reality with your belief system, but they are lies. In fact, the whole thing is based on a shocking amount of lies for being the truth. But big lies are easier to believe than little ones.

[@robmullin1128]

I am a member of the Assemblies of God, where I live in Northern,NY we are surrounded by Mennonite and Amish groups.

[@marilynbridges8697]

The holiest people and churches are those that are closest to God, regardless of titles or association, traditions or practices..

[@amberwilliams9850]

Love this! ❤

[@patmcintyre8146]

Read John 6. The Catholic Church in a nutshell. I believe it because Christ said it. Amen

[@AnabaptistPerspectives]

Can you say more? Which particular part of John 6 is the Catholic Church?

[@jsshay01]

Mennonites are a Christian group who followed Menno Simons, in the 16th century. Simons was a Catholic priest in holland who studied the Bible and found the doctrine not in line with Scripture. He formed the Anabaptist movement, out of which some became known as Mennonites. They did not wear the clothing that the Amish and Hutterites did, thinking that they would win more for Christ by dressing in regular clothing. There are many Mennonites and Hutterites yet in Manitoba and other parts of the country and in the States. My family were Mennonites from Holland in 1760 and were asked by Catherine the Great to come to southern Russia as farmers. Dad and his family saw communism take over and left in 1926. Fascinating story and the bottom line is you must believe in the Lord Jesus Christ as God’s only begotten Son, that He came from Heaven as a baby and took our sin when He went to the cross and died for us. He rose again, ascended to Heaven and is coming back! Ask Him for forgiveness and make Him the Lord of your life! That’s the only way to Heaven, there is no other.

[@AnabaptistPerspectives]

Thank you for this comment and sharing your family story.

[@meggo329]

He formed a cult.

[@sarahs458]

I’m so thankful for this testimony today. As seekers who have recently come out of a top Christian cult, we often feel like misfits. We don’t have the type of community in our area that we would like. I so appreciate the encouragement to just stick close to the Lord and let him lead.

[@AnabaptistPerspectives]

Thank you for the note, Sarah.

[@meggo329]

Steven Hassan's BITE model was designed to help People get out and not Into cults. The Catholic Church passes the test and Is Not a cult. The Amish and Mennonites excetra are a cult. Sooooooo.

[@markgordon5387]

Real Amish don't appear as television personalities.

[@earlsiebold536]

She is now Mennonite. There is a difference. You are right though that many Amish and Hutterites do not want their picture taken.

[@markgordon5387]

@earlsiebold536 I know. I'm a professor of world religions.

[@AnabaptistPerspectives]

@earlsiebold536 is correct that she is no longer Amish.

[@markgordon5387]

@AnabaptistPerspectives My window says she was Catholic and became Amish. I know what he said. But the title doesn't say that. I'd say, she's confused.

[@earlsiebold536]

@@markgordon5387 Or the professor is confused. There is a difference between the Amish and Mennonite and it looks like the lady knows more than the expert.

[@sarahs458]

Which link is the one for Samantha? I don’t see it in the description box. Thank you.

[@AnabaptistPerspectives]

We missed it. Thanks for point this out. kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZpzOdJKgrphqick

[@JoeSmith-pu9hi]

Menno Simmons was a Catholic priest.

[@AnabaptistPerspectives]

Correct. He was a Catholic until he withdrew in 1536.

[@Benjamin-jo4rf]

@@AnabaptistPerspectives he left the Catholics to be the pope of his own sect of the church. now he has his own church named after himself. Nothing like a good old man-made cult named after a man, full of man-made rules!!!!

[@christopherfeeney1962]

Yep. Almost every single heresey that has sprung up from and error has come from a priest.

[@Benjamin-jo4rf]

@ I think some early Anabaptist folks were on the right track. I just think they didn’t quite go far enough with their reformations. I think instead of being reformers they should have been restorers or reverts.

[@Benjamin-jo4rf]

@@christopherfeeney1962 also note the connection between Paul and “heretics”. Why is it that all the heretics use Paul’s teachings instead of Jesus teachings or James?

[@kittyfane1776]

Well, if Catholics understood the Divine privilege granted onto them at Baptism, no one single one of them would proclaim with such ‘pride’ abounding the only One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church of God on earth, founded by His only begotten Son. Further more, he who rebukes, refuses, rejects, abandons, attacks and/or blasphemies against His church, rebukes, refuses, rejects, abandons attacks and/or blasphemies against His Son and, he who rebukes, refuses, rejects, abandons, attacks and/or blasphemies against The Son, rebukes, refuses, rejects, abandons, attacks and/or blasphemies against The Father who sent Him and The Father will rebuke, refuse, reject, abandon, him/her. Even further more, he who rebukes, refuses, rejects, abandons, attacks and/or blasphemies against His church, will find no salvation anywhere else. Thus, if I was you, I would think again! This is the absolute true!!

[@god-is-with-us4387]

There is no salvation out of the Catholic Church. traditional Roman Catholicism is the way to salvation.

[@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr]

I imagine it would be difficult to come out of Catholicism, say to yourself, the bible is my ultimate authority, and then enter the Amish where the bible just got demoted under THEIR church. In the Mennonite church I attended, when push came to shove, Mennonite culture was put above Christianity.

[@mammaV61]

You bring forth a valid point. We sinful humans follow the same pattern of confusing our culture with the faith. If the two get too intertwined, problems arise because we are no longer founded on the True Foundation, Jesus Christ.

[@catsanddogs8983]

In the Catholic church the bible is certainly demoted under their "church" traditions.

[@williambarr2698]

First and foremost we must all strive to be Christians. It does matter how we get there as long as the end of the journey is Heaven and Christ. Unfortunately, I know Amish, Mennonites, Catholics, Methodist ect that are into their culture rather than being a born again Christ loving Christian. Churches need to lead people to Christ. The way is narrow and the path very winding. The most beautiful part of Christian history is the first 300yrs. Primitive Christianity oh how beautiful. Then a tragic thing happened to this Jewish subgroup that had nonJews among them. The church became the official belief of the Roman Empire. Church leadership brought bad things in from pagan groups. This stuff is so deeply entrenched in the Catholic Church however Ive met true Christians in the Catholic Church. In fact Ive met Christians in strange places and disappointed in places you would think most would be Christian. The "True Chrch" is not one group! It is however "One People" those whose belief is that Christ is God, he came and died for us. That our lives should follow his life. A Catholic I respect a lot and think he is a true Christian Cardinal Dolan Ive never met him but he seems true. Ive also met very conservative Amish that get it.

[@Charity-vm4bt]

William Barr, thank you, nice comments (from a Catholic Christian).

[@AnabaptistPerspectives]

Thank you for sharing this, Bill.

[@williambarr2698]

A Christian New Order minister I knew John Raber in Conneautville Pa. He was a wonderful guide in Christ he is now I believe with the Lord. I miss his counsel.

[@PaulSchlabach-l4f]

Makes sense! The Amish anabaptist founders were killed by catholic, Lutheran and Zwingli authorities back when the reformation started and during but modern Amish have largely reverted to the catholic style model of church leadership and religious doctrine. No big switch for a catholic to go Amish and no big switch for an Amish to go catholic. Both would have to accept difference in dress allowance and that’s pretty much it.

[@denig2000able]

Interesting point you raise.Amish revert to Catholic church model. Can you elaborate please. 😊

[@PaulSchlabach-l4f]

@ I grew up in the largest Amish community on earth. I went to school with them worked with them worked for them and had Amish neighbors almost all of my life so I’ve seen almost all of what goes on or happens in their churches. If you want me to elaborate here are a just a few things I’ll point out that are very much alike in their church models. In the Amish groups the preachers are the authority on everything and I mean absolutely everything much like the priests in the catholic model, the bishop is the absolute unquestioned final boss much like the pope. Slight difference maybe in he will meet with other bishops if things get bad enough but whatever they decide is the absolute law for the church and not necessarily just one group but all groups of that particular sect of Amish. Similar to Catholic confession to a priest and being told to do penance or say Hail Marys to be made right again is how the amish also do things. An Amish caught in a sin by others or confessed will always go to a deacon, minister or bishop and they will excommunicate that member for a predetermined set amount of weeks or if the member leaves the Amish church they are excommunicated forever, simply up to the bishop usually. Some groups will treat an excommunicated member extremely rotten, so much so that they’re not allowed to sit and eat with other Amish who affiliate with or that said bishop has control over. I personally know a couple of people who aren’t allowed to go home to see their parents or if they do they are not allowed inside the house. It is such a hateful thing that I know one boy who left the Amish and his dad told him I would rather you would be dead. Not much different then hating someone enough to physically kill like the Catholic Church has been known to do. You asked I answered. Lots more is there that’s similar but this is long enough 😂

[@AnabaptistPerspectives]

The proposal that "Amish have largely reverted to the catholic style model of church leadership and religious doctrine" isn't fair or generally true. Can you give specific points of parallel rather than this huge generalization?

[@Benjamin-jo4rf]

@@AnabaptistPerspectives they have a hierarchy instead of all brothers being equal, they have basically cardinals who decide everything, they have their own schools, they are only allowed to read the bible in an antiquated language, they control their congregation through the use of money, loans, etc. they are only allowed to pray out of a prayer book. they read the apocrypha like the Catholics. there are tons of similarities. this is not mentioning the abuse of children which has been rampant in both

[@PaulSchlabach-l4f]

@ Do you have any idea of their church and leadership structure? Do you have any personal experience with any of it? From the way they sing to the way they treat people who leave their church is mostly same or worse then Catholicism. Priests, cardinals and the poop have all the power and rule of the catholic religion and same with the Amish Church, ministers deacons and bishops have all power and control of every single little aspect of members lives. IYKYK!

[@Marcia-l8h]

So sad . . .

[@NelsonStauffer]

Who is the antichrist beast of Revelation? The word ‘anti’ means both ‘in place of’ and ‘against.’ The popes proclaim to take the place of Messiah, to be the ‘Vicar of Christ,’ the substitute Christ on earth; but they teach heretical concepts that are contrary to Messiah. The popes teach a false Gospel of works through the sacraments which has misled billions of Catholics, leaving them lost in their sins. The popes teach that Mary was sinless, that salvation is through her, and that she is the mediator to the Father. And now the Popes say that all religions lead to the same God. The popes deny God by proclaiming to be God, forgive sins, and provide salvation, which is blasphemy. They have people call them Holy Father, which Messiah forbids. They’ve taken God’s titles of His Holiness, Most Blessed Father, Vicar of God, God on Earth, and the true God. The Popes deny that Messiah came in the flesh, as they teach the immaculate conception of Mary and that Mary was sinless, which means that Messiah didn’t inherit a human flesh sin nature through her. The Popes deny Messiah by proclaiming to be the high priest of His church, but they teach a false gospel of works through the sacraments. The Popes deny Messiah by proclaiming that Mary is the intercessor to the Father. During the Dark Ages, the popes banned and burned the Scriptures. The popes caused Catholics to kill tens of millions of saints during the Dark Ages and Inquisition. The cruel torture devices that they used are the most brutal made by man. The popes cause Catholics to make graven images. This breaks the second commandment, which they removed from their list. They have images of Mary before which many Catholics bow down and pray. Their wicked crucifix keeps Messiah on the cross, putting Him to open shame. They make him the eternal victim, keeping him on the cross. The popes venerate skulls and bones in cathedrals and crypts. They cause Catholics to pray to dead saints, which is forbidden. The Popes deny Messiah’s one-time atonement for sins, as they proclaim that their priest brings Messiah down from heaven to create an unbloody sacrifice during the blasphemous Eucharist ceremony. They are denying Messiah’s one-time atonement for sin as our High Priest in the flesh. They proclaim that the bread and wine are his real body which is sacrificed again for sins. This heretical act is played out in Catholic churches around the world many times a week. The pope’s blasphemous Eucharist ceremony symbolizes the Babylonian Mystery Religion as the priests revere the round sun-god wafer, then place it in a monstrance that has sun rays emanating from it. The wafer is placed on a Luna holder, which symbolizes the moon goddess. This mimics the sexual union of the sun god and moon goddess, which produces their incarnate christ child Tammuz. They do this under the guise of it representing Messiah’s communion. The Pope’s have an Egyptian obelisk phallic symbol of the pagan sun god in the middle of a sun wheel in St. Peter’s Square, which designates the basilica as a temple of sun-god worship. Inside St. Peter’s Basilica is a huge sun symbol above a large ornate throne. The Popes made the Roman Pantheon, where all pagan gods are worshipped, into a Catholic church, and they place another Egyptian obelisk in front of it. The popes have people fawn over them, kiss their hand, lay prostrate before them, revering them. The leaders of nations and religions travel to Vatican City to bow before the Pope as a world leader. The popes made themselves rich with the collection of indulgences. They spent many billions on their many ornate basilicas instead of using the money to preach the true Gospel, provide Bibles worldwide, provide food and water to people worldwide, and end homelessness. The popes forbid their priests to marry, which causes many to be homosexual, to rape nuns and children. The popes cause Catholics to make vain, repetitive prayers during mass and while praying the rosary to Mary, which Messiah forbids. The popes cause many people to reject Messiah and the pure Gospel because they think that the actions of the Roman Catholic popes and priests represent the true faith of Scripture. In the name of Jesus Christ, the Popes have systematically made war with Messiah and His saints, yet somehow the antichrist is hidden in plain sight.

[@chrissyheymann2351]

Worshipping Jesus is the point. Taking him as your savior. Not what church you go to.

[@AnabaptistPerspectives]

Yes. Jesus is the center of our faith.

[@Benjamin-jo4rf]

I think you mean worship YHWH, God, the Father. Mary herself called God her savior and worship is reserved for God and God alone, not Jesus. Luke 1.47 in the Magnificat

[@trebmaster]

Whoever her baby is is 1 month older than me. Haha

[@AnabaptistPerspectives]

👍

[@anastasiaburr3959]

What is a Christian?

[@mammaV61]

If you can locate a Bible read it. The psalms and the New Testament explain how and why we follow Jesus. I also recommend Thru the Bible. It is an app that has the Bible and preachings in hundreds of languages.

[@pamphilus3652]

Id say you made a mistake and you clearly didnt understand catholic faith

[@AnabaptistPerspectives]

Do you have specific concerns regarding the way that she represented the Catholic faith in this conversation?

[@Charity-vm4bt]

​@@AnabaptistPerspectives A good resource for Catholic Apologetics is Catholic Answers and Shameless Popery. Scott Hahn, Marcus Grodi, among others.

[@EstherWoodring]

Her dress appears to be Mennonite. Not Amish.

[@AnabaptistPerspectives]

Correct.

[@mammaV61]

I get that point. I never did understand why we braid hair. Although the scripture refers to broided hair, it’s the same thing. We only used braids before we were Amish, as a way to control the long hair. Once we were Amish it was not really a practice where we are. Again, we must sort culture from faith.

[@PrairieQuaker]

Broided means embellished or fancy, like "Embroidered". It's not the same as simple braiding. ❤

[@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr]

What made you braid your kids hair? The bible, if anything, says not to braid your hair. So this would not be coming from any bible based thing, but strictly a cultural thing. Interestingly, the Duggars who are very very Christian, always wore their hair DOWN out of Christian conviction. Yeah the hair up thing - not biblical. I remember telling an Amish born Mennonite man, leader at the church I had been attending, you won't baptize me until I promise to wear my hair up everyday? This is just one way to highlight the fundamental problems.

[@dorinamary7863]

May I ask what you ended up doing? I think the Bible tells a woman to have long hair worn down (perebalaion) covering her as a veil or shawl, and to use an opaque covering as a veil over her hair (katakalupto) when in prayer, such as going to church.

[@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr]

@@dorinamary7863 I would agree with you that that is a more accurate reading of the bible in my opinion. I'm not a Christian anymore, but when I was, I wore my hair down but just because I wanted to. I don't think there's a mandate to wear your hair in any way. Mennonites say it's about modesty though. Or practicality, which apparently means it must be a rule. Mennonites would see loose hair as being loose lol. You have to be uptight to be a Christian. Oh and suffer, that's a big one. I guess they compartmentalize away that woman who wiped Jesus' feet with her hair. Mennonites never care about people's feelings either. Very superficial relationships. I could go on all day about my experience with them. Very toxic, hardly anything above what atheists can do, and yet they act very superior. It breeds narcissism and I'm going to stop now before i upset you any further lol.

[@DorcasRaber-l2v]

Jesus is greater than anything you have faced, I care about you and will be praying for you

[@dorinamary7863]

@@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr Thank you for your answers.

[@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr]

@@dorinamary7863 No problem!