I was wrong about Standard Edition...Kinda | Escape from Tarkov

[@toryspelling7737]

Unlike other streamers who say stupid things and then defend it to their death, our man does hypothesis testing and happily reaches new conclusions

[@mikebasketball11]

Popperian. Brave. Intellectually honest. Sick lad. All of the above 👆

[@majora919]

I mean he didn't really change his stance lmfao

[@Axel-the-swede]

its the only reason that i am subscribed to this guy

[@hajime8904]

conclusion: still not pay to win. lighthouse is worst map

[@MrJohnthegamerHD]

Cough Airwing Cough

[@maplemaple1439]

1:48 during stash upgrade you have to pay the norvinsk region land development ministry for processing and permit to upgrade your hideout.

[@tyranus1111]

😂 we are shooting each other in the streets but beaurocracy still stands strong

[@aninnocent1544]

and for the bribe. dont forget the bribe, the game is set in Russia after all.

[@dadaplus8058]

gotta get the government permission to build a closet but a booze generator and a fashion showcase is fine

[@BigGremlin-cc7hu]

i just started so i dont know if this is a joke or if im doomed.

[@WagonOperator]

Your argument wasn’t so much “is tarkov pay to win” but more so “how often does tarkov being pay to win actually effect gameplay” which I think would’ve went over much better in general lol

[@areyoutheregod]

I think people use "how frequently is this one factor the decider in whether you win a fight" to explain how no single factor is important enough to be p2w, but I think it means all these small factors are important enough to be p2w.

[@jadonlimoges1830]

Literally every other person is cheating so yes, it is pay to win. Give money to Xi Xinping, win. Hope this helps 👍🏻

[@nikbjork6007]

@@areyoutheregodright I see this argument all the time. Gun fighting is a small portion of tarkov yet everyone says “eod doesn’t improve your aim so it’s not pay to win” but, as this video just showed, it allows you to progress faster and you will be dumpstered by players who progress faster than you because they can buy better gear. Fact of the matter is if tarkov was released a decade ago everyone would be calling the enhanced edition pay to win. It’s because everyone’s been so plagued by pay to win mechanics over the years that they’ll defend something that isn’t as blatant as “press this button to win the raid”.

[@grygaming5519]

@@nikbjork6007 True, and the bigger crime is with PvE, EoD/Uheard do absolutely nothing. Sure the trader rep, large sash and gamma are nice but with no wipe a 40 dollar acct can slow roll and work on their stash. They only need to start focusing on trader rep with stash 3 onward. Its just a bigger cash grab by hard gating things that really should not be hard gated.

[@Gunner8_]

Yep I couldn't agree more. I played my first wipe (the one where streets was first added) with a standard account and most of my time was spent getting max stash level. I was actually close to getting kappa that wipe too and I probably would have gotten it if I was on EOD for that wipe. Secure container size, Trader rep, and stash space were things I found to be a big help when I upgraded to EOD. Sure it doesn't help you play better or anything but it is very nice to have. I appreciate that you actually tested your hypothesis and came back to the topic correcting it rather than not.

[@peter2b2t]

this is actually insane i cannot fathom oh my god. my first wipe was the wipe they added RESERVE.

[@TheBrick534]

@@peter2b2t Me too bro. It's crazy to think I've been following/playing this game since 2019.

[@ShizGnat]

@@peter2b2t I started the wipe before Interchange was added, early 2018. I can't believe its been almost 7 years now...

[@henshimai]

EOD will save you hours of hours grinding for stash spaces wipe after wipe.

[@heresplague3672]

@@peter2b2t man shits taking me back i came into the game when interchange dropped

[@chiefr9627]

I purchased each edition of the game in increments leading up to EOD. It's pretty handy to have it if you plan on putting 1k+ hours like I had.

[@nukemcentral3224]

Exactly, got each single one, haven't god unheard bc I don't care about pockets I can just run a scav vest

[@glubtas]

Having to use installments to pay for a video game is not a good business practice. I'm talking about the current prices, EOD back in the day was actually at a very good price point imo.

[@tillercaesar-kq4ou]

You definitely got your moneys worth. Just viewing a movie would be much more expensive on the amount of hours by dollar basis

[@tillercaesar-kq4ou]

@@glubtas idk I disagree with you. In the internet age of constant communication and interactions then people expect indefinite patches until perfection is achieved

[@orionfell]

@@tillercaesar-kq4ou the problem is that the developers made promises they did not want to keep. If you want to release expansions, or DLC, or whatever, thats fine. But don't sell a version of your game for 140 dollars thats supposed to have all those then change your mind later.

[@gabewilliams7462]

For me, it doesn’t matter if any of the upgraded editions are “pay to win” or not. They still put you at a MASSIVE advantage over anyone who doesn’t want to spend an unreasonable amount of money on essentially the same game they can get for $40. Adding onto that, the upgrades ruin the progression of the game for everyone, regardless of edition. I think everyone should start on a standard account with the Gamma being a quest reward between Epsilon and Kappa. Just my two cents

[@Kramillion]

Wholeheartedly agree. Progression is something I value in games and is exactly why I will never upgrade my account. If I didn’t have to grind my stash I would lose motivation to play. Secure containers on the other hand are a massive cringe problem, as even Theta is locked behind Arena

[@skyebaldwin3087]

This could be a cool event if they could open separate servers for an "ironman wipe" or something like that. I'd sign up to that for sure.

[@Kramillion]

@@skyebaldwin3087 they already intend on adding an ironman mode, though i think it would be cringe to separate the playerbase even further by making another set of servers (pvp and pve already exist) which currently contributes to the game feeling far more dead this wipe.

[@heresplague3672]

Lol, for people who have been around for years. EOD was super controversial too, it was super weird that EOD edition players were calling unheard edition p2w while ignoring all the drama when people said eod was pay to win and eod players brushed it under the bus

[@trenchtownmac3183]

unreasonable to you is not unreasonable to me. just like anything you buy in this world, if you see value in something, then you spend the money on something

[@somerandomguy1475]

I going to admit it i bought the standard edition during the birthday sale just to play SPT

[@hl2ice53]

based and singleplayerpilled

[@Masterhitman935]

@@hl2ice53folks still used “X”-pilled?

[@marco.barron6654]

You did the right thing

[@ConcernedPmGhost]

Did the same

[@LuxTheFolf]

Wa wa wa, if you don't like the game don't play it pussy 😂

[@Demortra]

Another thing about Punisher part 4, just got there on PVE as I do not have the patience for pvp, Unheard lets you viably bring an AR with 3 mags 1 in the gun vs just have 6 one slots and 2 2x1. Those pockets are such a massive game changer and the quest to unlock them is so late into the game its a bit of a kick in nads.

[@demjan96]

Did you even thought about taking a gun that allows you to use 50/60 rounder mags or just simply taking a gun that won't eat your ammo fast, like you could simply just take some marksman rifle like sr-25? Instead of considering 2 bigger pockets as a gamechanger for a task (they are not) consider taking 2 big surefire mags on vest + cheapazz surefire 100-rounder from flea for a first mag you will put in your gun right before you start a raid. No offence but that's is just pure absurd to me.

[@Relf_G]

@@demjan96 Congratulations, you just described being bottlenecked into specific weapons and builds instead of being able to bring whatever meta loadouts an unheard player can.

[@crash2093]

man i only run a single extra mag

[@Addertach]

@@Relf_G In all fairness, even with the restricted vest pockets, there is still alot of option and player agency. M4 with 60rd mags, M1A, any DMR, Shotguns, hell pistols even... Not to mention you can keep extra mags in your backpack, and swap them out for empties as you burn mags. Inconvenient? Little, but manageable...

[@ghostsquadme]

@@Addertach this is exactly what I've been doing. It's not a big deal if you go slow. The PvP on that map just straight sucks though. And because it sucks, so many people rat and snipe, making many of the alts like running a shotgun or pistol kinda worthless. The map is just a garbage map.

[@Silentst0rm5]

Mad respect to you. I'm a standard player and my two only gripes that pushed the editions from "nice to have" to "Pay to win" were the stash size SOLEY due to the cost and trader rep. Not just for softlock but due to taking pressure off of HAVING to do things. You can put aside some awful quests and focus on a few things

[@trathanstargazer6421]

Good on you for testing your theories. Not many people own up like that and you did. Cheers!

[@ChickenWaffle]

Stash lines and cases definitely will assist in progression as you can hold onto more quest items and more items in general that will help your progress across the board. Having to upgrade your stash in standard sets you back. FACT. It takes me twice as much effort and some extra play time to stay on par with my buddies who have the upgraded editions.

[@aidenkim9096]

Using Alpha and trying the gamma case on SPT….. dude I had a completely different experience. 2 stacks of extra ammo, a CMS, and a Docs case and three more slots left? Crazy. Also the almost unlimited-looking stash compared to stash lv1…

[@SnoOwTrX_]

As someone who couldn't afford EoD and now is not even close to being able to get UE (it literally costs over half my monthly salary). Being stuck with no stash space, no good secure container, no loyalty levels (specially bad for jaeger and therapist) and now, being FORCED to do lighthouse... Yeah no I'll do something else.

[@alexzero3736]

Just by "Prepare to Escape". Or increased Stash space.

[@APunishedManNamed2]

@@alexzero3736 for a game in beta with wipes & that already costs 40usd? Nah nigga

[@ilirlir]

Lemme guess, Turkey?

[@world_eater1315]

just play spt

[@SnoOwTrX_]

@@ilirlir Brazil, eh, close enough.

[@kenshinhimura9387]

Gas analyzer is only rare when you need it for the quest. Once you complete the quest you will regularly find at least 3 of them per raid. Same goes for matches. You need 3 of them for the beginner quests but you won't even find one for weeks. Honestly once you get your bitcoin farm up and running, you don't have to worry about money anymore. It takes forever to get to that point though.

[@ClaytorYurnero]

Dont forget being at the mercy of daily quest RNG to get Jeager 3 (to build important hideout upgrades) unless you wanna do a LOT of bullshit. Nevermind getting lvl 4 unless you're a veteran who knows the easy ways to finish a majority of his quests.

[@thedaethbringer]

Pro tip, recycle quests that only cost rubbles and not rep on other traders (unless you can afford the hit) until you get jager quests with rep you can do.

[@flappy3635]

lvl4 jaegar is light i got him so easy first wipe

[@texpo6777]

Glad you followed up on your original video, and realized how much of a disadvantage the alpha container is. However, the whole "negligible" p2w argument is just pointless. being pay to win is not something you put on a scale, a game is either p2w or its not. No matter how "small" the difference is. Tarkov, one of the most egregious cases of p2w in any game ever made, is OBVIOUSLY P2W. I don't know why people try to make the argument that its not p2w, or the p2w advantages are "negligible". Also, even if you get the epsilon container, you're still 1 short of the gamma container. And the next free container you're going to get is kappa. So until you get kappa, you are permanently disabled compared to a p2w account. Love your videos, keep up the good work.

[@june570]

people are weirdly unable to acknowledge that things they like have some bad parts for some reason.

[@wileyreid5420]

As a standard account user for years I can say that I slightly regret not getting EOD when I could, I did have a friend use store credit and buy me stash space and it def has helped. the 2x2 stash is awful and greatly impacts early wipe for a person but over the years you kind of get use to it and just grind out the punisher quest line so you can at least have a decent container size.

[@judyfps5059]

It always felt like “pay for quality of life,” rather than stock standard P2W. My first 3 wipes were spent earning max stash and earning the epsilon as my “big,” goal.

[@v2.x464]

seems like p2w for me, as you pay to not have to do any of that, freeing you up to focus on other things.

[@Tronnus]

I play Tarkov on standard edition since late 2021 and I NEVER managed to get Peacekeeper to level 4. Everyone who says standard edition has the same experience as all other editions is only coping and needs to play on Standard.

[@sixtyinsix]

After years of playing off and on I think Tarkov is a streamers game.

[@Gunner8_]

@sixtyinsix It doesn't have to be yet the player base rushes itself to max traders and gets burned out in a month. Then the people who play more casually leave because good players with good gear is all there is left. Also the core game has not changed at all and after the new content gets boring it is just kind of the same thing from wipe to wipe. So yes I agree it is a great game that people would rather watch than grind.

[@JackBodnar]

@@Gunner8_because said gear, traders and character skills give huge advantage. You not just lack options but also same options perform worse. If skills got removed, modules wouldn’t matter THAT much and Armor to ammo balance shifted towards ammo (better overall pen and blunt damage) - the game would be more skill based and casual player would stand a better chance of

[@xSintex]

How? I've literally never had any issue progressing in tarkov, and I work a very demanding job. Yes yes dad of 54 kids with a 200 hour week memes aside, you can progress and be competitive without putting a lot of time into it. It is so much better than before face hitbox , where I literally couldn't pvp some kits and had to cower in a bush because they had full head protection against my shit ammo

[@xSintex]

@@JackBodnar I agree , skills are honestly dumb because of how long they take to unlock,even with the gym. But I've literally played a full wipe with 9mm smgs only and had no issues being competitive. Faceshields don't show up consistently until late wipe, at which point you usually have access to either RIP or AP ammo to deal with them, just as one example.

[@MrVex-666]

Try SPT with mods. I played 4 wipes before first try, it's a completely different game and is even more fun than regular Tarkov, what feels especially good is knowing there is no one watching you trough walls and counting your items worth. Also there's FIKA mod for local server coop if you have friends who play with you.

[@AR4PPA]

I did the punisher all the way and now doing lightkeeper quests, and I must say that start was ruff, but now when I have learned the flow of lighthouse I have started liking it a lot.

[@MakeshiftGent]

Everything you said at the 5min mark resonated with me extremely hard. I felt the exact same way with that entire questline that it made me take a break from Tarkov for a bit just because it was just me bashing my head against the wall until I got lucky enough.

[@Shipx7]

Dang, I played Standard Edition the first few wipes and the progression seemed reasonable, perhaps slightly annoying because I didn't know how to manage my stash, but it seems they made it far worse. At least now you can sell stuff on the flea market so you can keep your stash empty, though.

[@SaltSpirits]

Standard Edition is all you need to install SPT & gain the benefits of the advanced editions for free, on top of access to mods and a pve mode that’s actually fun, and never being forced into shitty holiday events. Also, 3:07 if you get softlocked by a craftable item, you’re literally just stupid. go build them at lvl 1 workbench

[@poisonarc]

I've had EOD for about 6 years and the soft-locking is huge. This wipe I only got the analyzers from crafting even running tech crates. In the past me and my friend would get soft locked on the customs director office key even though we were running jackets. The stash and container are mitigated by upgrades and cases but you will never feel like you have enough space. Being soft locked on traders is a death sentence if you don't know how to get gear. Imagine having 7mm buck or 7.62 fmj against chads late wipe? It's a nightmare.

[@KittyPittyMeowmeow]

Thanks for being willing to look back at your previous views. Trader rep + stash size are the real killers of the standard edition, and what sets back standard edition players from progressing as fast as EOD/Unheard players.

[@lang8289]

Really appreciate you taking a wipe to test just what standard edition feels like. Most wipes I too grinded epsilon and then quit because of how burned out I was, how far behind on gear I was, etc. I don't play anymore. Might come back if they fix standard progression (they won't).

[@yourfavoritelawnguy2722]

The problem is the time spend in game to get a lesser version of the good item, is sooo much more than what it takes in real life to make the $50 needed to just buy a way better version and skip so many little problems. I started as a standard player as i was given a free key during a christmas event, i played 2 wipes before finally upgrading to EOD during half off sale, fast forward years and im an unheard nerd. I only ever upgraded editions simply because it gave me either more stash space, a better container, from standard to EOD the extra equipment is huge. The trader rep USED to be a big reason for my upgrades but as i got better at the game the rep stopped making any noticeable difference. Its pay for advantages, but you still won't always win. So you can call it P2W or say its not, it just depends on your perspective. Its undeniable that paying more makes the game less harsh in many ways. I find myself embarrassing Unheard players way more often than White names, lots of Unheard dumpster noobs who thought they actually did pay to win

[@rebull8262]

That argument only exists if you currency is dollars, back when I bought Tarkov EOD would cost a months salary on my currency lol

[@yourfavoritelawnguy2722]

@@rebull8262 damn that is rough, i have heard their conversion rates are really really bad. Completely fair to say that for some countries peoples it doesn't reach the equilibrium for time vs money

[@niklot5046]

Yep, as a Standard Edition player after trying to do Kappa last wipe I am done with Lighthouse once and for all. I don't even care for the Epsilon container, I just don't run CMS.

[@SgtP4in]

A few wipes back, when the grind started to get really bad, I bought EoD, and the difference in progression speed was like night and day.

[@Its_A_Me_Callie]

That tangent at 1:52 killed me; thank you

[@Swansong762]

I made a comment on the prior video covering all of the points that were covered in this one. You hit every single point I made there, and I greatly appreciate the effort being made to understand where a standard player comes from. Most people would make points about standard accounts without even considering playing as one themselves. Bravo Leviticus 👏 👏 👏

[@Michaeltje89]

Getting Arena to get a higher level within 20min is Pay2Win, Don't change my mind because we all know it's BS to play game A to get fast progression in game B.

[@Kirbythediver]

6:52 Otherwise you're gonna get "Left Behind" 😂😂😂

[@rjtrageser9884]

WOOOOOOO standard issue ftw

[@mrcmoney1584]

As someone who just bought the standard edition, im glad to know that im screwed from the get-go lol

[@grygaming5519]

Pretty much the main reason back in the day I upgraded to EoD from a standard account. The stash alone felt more like PtW push vs actually being something to work towards. Then again this is BSG and if anyone remembers contract wars they pulled the same stunt in that game too.

[@dklm1991]

I played half the wipe at the bit coin 1mil wipe and I immediately upgraded to EOD since gamma case is much more handy in pistol running

[@emmettdraz212]

Like you said about the trader rep and space it won't win you gun fights but it increases your speed of progress both in unlocking new better items ammo weapons armor. You can get Peacekeeper and Jager level 2 without doing a single task for them. It also frees up having to spend roubles on stash and containers which translates to more roubles available for pushing through deaths and tasks to also help progression. Again none of those directly make the game easier but they remove some roadblocks to progression. A good player who spends hours a day playing will be just fine with any version of the game but I'd say at the bare minimum it saves you many hours of progress per wipe and the Gamma container has a high ceiling of profit say you find 2 GPUs on labs but you only have a alpha container with a docs case and some keys / cards in it. You can't both GPUs in there but with a Gamma you're absolutely fine taking our your CMS pain killer and a stack of ammo to stuff both in. The pockets are negligible good for tasks like punisher or set up where you need to wear a scav vest but for the most part I'd say they're only 2 extra squares of space. Appreciate your scientific approach and analysis it's a paid advantage for sure but it's not like they put a Ghille suit or gave unheard addition zero footstep audio

[@ThatLemonGuy]

The main problem I have with the standard account is the Stash upgrades. The limited stash space forces me to sell stuff to traders for cheap and to constantly buy new gear as I didn’t have the space. So it’s not just the price of the stash that’s the problem. The smaller stash itself limits a standard accounts earnings. The punisher questline to get the epsilon case is fine and it feels rewarding (except for punisher 4 lighthouse can go fuck itself).

[@YeeMacghyee]

Honestly the idea that all our hideout construction is done by a team of scavs you hire is pretty good. Maybe some of the weirder things involved in those crafts is just a barter payment for services rendered

[@NikolayMIA]

Epsilon, sometimes, even better than gamma in some cases. You can put a whole tank battery there, for example

[@davideselva4022]

I had to craft 2 of the 3 gas analyzers to get the therapist quests done, fortunately doing scav raids while I waited I found all the morphine injectors and some spark plugs and batteries to get a head start in the quests after. I gave the gas analyzers in, and the raid after I found 3 of them. Tarkov at its finest.

[@LeeCsM]

I play on Standard edition and this video is very catharthic since a lot of EOD players scoff and minimize the advantage they have. Although, I think it's funny that you feel such a big need to expand your container, since you know how better the other ones are, while I just vibe with Alpha since it's what I'm used to haha.

[@jarodwooten5049]

My first Kappa was like my 3rd or 4th wipe on a standard account. That was the wipe they added Loothouse, and I proceeded to buy EoD from then on.

[@minorishimizu4241]

to be honest, playing STANDARD edition and force me to go to Lighthouse? I RATHER JUST TURN OFF PC AND GO WORK SECOND JOB BECAUSE I GOT PAID FOR DOING A JOB IN TARKOV MANY TASK FEEL LIKE A JOB WITHOUT A PENNY SALARY

[@kadian299]

The bonus rep has so much impact on jager especially. I resisted eod until it was going away.

[@xP1cky]

You’re looking beefy my man! Keep it up love the content

[@jaidenknight1160]

I'm not sure how so many people have trouble with lighthouse pvp. It's a sniper map. Do the quest while simultaneously working something else. You have three lanes. Pick a lane, guard that lane, leave.

[@reanukeeves420]

I’ve been watching for a while now and I gotta say I love your content even if I don’t play Tarkov since that game hurts to play. I remember you saying something a long time ago about you branching out with your games so I’ve got one to suggest for you it’s called Silica if you like RTS/FPS games it’s a pretty interesting indie game

[@AnadroJ_TV]

I upgraded my stash my first wipe and bought EOD the next wipe

[@NeteruSolink]

Glad you noticed where you missed last time, and also good to see you tried a std account to see how it really impacts the overall experience depending on which version you got, not many people have the guts to admit they were wrong

[@klausjurgen2696]

I have found 3 ledx so far since i started playing but I would trade them all for a measuring thingy so I can finally build a door for my hideout

[@thehind8861]

Man i dont even have tarkov or plan to get it ever. Just too much stress. But i really REALLY like watching your commentary. Its genuinly entertaining keep going honestly

[@holma2572]

Does anyone else agree that For example acquiring the gamma case and extra stash space could be added and that would be progress that wouldnt be reset upon wipe?

[@lp9280]

The RNG quests are easy to fix and this was discussed to death, but same as ridiculous cost for upgrades and all other seemingly stupid designs I think they are kept there to basically force players to buy more expensive versions. It is not P2W it is common "pay for progression", where game design is deliberately frustrating that you would rather pay to avoid it. I have said long ago that all RNG quest (and I mean ALL) should be replaced with quest items (which is mechanic that is already in the game for some quests). So instead of needing 10 raids in interchange to find 15 tushonkas, you go there once to find "box of tushankas" which is 100% there and only shown for people with the quest. For gas analysers it may be locked in the dorm room or something. Also of note here - I don't have issue with these quests when I play with friends, basically somebody in the raid always found salevas, or whatever crap is needed and we can simply share the loot at the end for whomever needs what for quests. But playing solo is whole another matter... you die with quest item and it is so painful... EFT in general is like 10 times more painful playing alone than with the team, which is kind of realistic but kind of sucks as well. And I think over the top of everything is the wipe. As EOD owner or whatever, the wipe is "nice fresh start" as standard edition owner it is fffing nightmare. This is basically the main reason I no longer play PVP and mostly pay PVE, specifically wipes and hideout rebuild. Because you spent most of the wipe building the hideout, just for it to be reset and to start the grind again. I think solution would be to introduce partial wipes e.g. that clear your levels and quest progress, but keeps skills and hideout as it is... I know it would be unfair for new players, but it would be more fair for existing players... that said again - this is by design and game wants to force you into upgrading, it is not very subtle at all.

[@Fesonsteam]

I agree alot with this statment. Every time i finish punisher im so tired of the game i dont want to play anymore

[@C_R105]

Ive been playing since 2019. I slowly bought the upgrades over the span of a year. Definitely start with standard and work your way up. I only felt comfortbale buying EoD when i hit 500 hours. I knew i was in for the long haul at that point.

[@Qban_Guy]

Although I agree Lighthouse needs to be reworked due to horrendous spawns and map flow, I don’t agree about the no silver lining. The loot on this map, particularly this wipe, has been really good in combination with the XP you get from rogues. I consistently find Bitcoins, Virtex, and other rare spawn items in the treatment center. I also consistently find 100+ rounds of high tier ammo on the roofs.

[@EdTheCrkHead]

I had the no rep bug at the start of wipe that meant I didn’t get the bonus rep for EOD and it was a grind but I managed to get to level 3 and some level 4 traders before I finally got the rep after a MONTH from the start of wipe

[@ilikebread1661]

Lighthouse is a good map for me because you can just farm the rogues at the northern part of the map, tier 4+ rigs and weapons worth 100k+.

[@jensonbrudy9826]

For my experience in PVE it is completely the opposite, I feel like the lighthouse is probably the easiest map of them all, most of the time there is almost no one or only a few person in chalet (probably USEC Cottage as well), which makes it very easy to loot valuable items, the extract is safe as well, just run towards the southern road, maybe take down the sniper and it’s all good, barely any encounters

[@sergios3311]

i love your videos bro youre my fav tarkov creator bro keep up man!

[@GamingZ_enith]

Since i got tarkov, which has been like 6 months ago now (i got it the day unheard came out), I've had a standard account. The stash upgrade cost actually isn't that bad. Until you get to level 4. Level 4 alone costs around 40 million rubles in currency, plus probably another 1-2 million in resources. It took me ages to get enough roubles to convert to euros and the only thing that saved me was the greatest marked room of all time giving me like 15 million (green card, bitcoin, injector case and docs case). If they lowered it to like 125k euros, I honestly wouldn't have much of an issue. Edit: The beta container is fine you can carry a surv 12 and an injectors case and a docs container, that's all you need. The only thing the epsilon grants you is like, the ability to carry a dogtag case and an ibuprofen. Both of which aren't necessary in the slightest. Not once have I ever needed more than 3 propitals in a raid, and the dogtag case is just overrated in general, carry one in your stash, but leave it there. Valuables I hear you say? Just get rid of your surv 12, you gain three slots, good luck finding more valuables than that, if you die, big womp, you only lost like 70-85k. As a matter of fact, as someone with the epsilon container, the only thing i do with the extra 2 slots is bring spare ammo, which while convenient, isn't necessary. All it does is allow you to play more aggressively. It's quality of life, but as someone who has played over 500 hours on standard, the beta container is perfectly fine.

[@Lokigutansiturol]

Probably the reason they moved punisher 4 on lighthouse was that a lot of people were complaining of shoreline (before it was reworked). From personal experience I was litteraly unable to find people on that map. I l'd either get a shit spawn on the other side of the map and would go to resort where all the pvp already happened because it took me 10 minutes of running there or I would get a good spawn and get killed by a litteral tank 10 levels ahead of me (this was when I started playing the game so probably a skill issue). Either way you couldn't find players anywhere other than the resort where I would get decimated by tanks.

[@badgrass_ph]

Okay, since your previous video I noticed you've upgraded your mic from the quadcast to a shure(sm7b?). Congratulations.

[@AtomicPuma9]

5:00 AGREED! This map fucking blows besides going to the rogue camp for gear, then it’s not bad. But let me propose a solution. Make us go back to ground zero for Punisher Part 4. Why? Because it’s a map that doesn’t get used after leveling a fair ways unless you want to go there. It’s got good PVP, fair loot (not fantastic but alright), and it’s not used outside of the starter quests. Give us a reason to go back to ground zero.

[@TheShadowHunter1000]

I wonder why more people don’t opt for left behind as a alternative to Unheard you start with the beta and increased trader rep

[@holynart2546]

for all my standard gamers, you get 2 stash upgrades. DO punisher, and then get the gym and max ur strength and stamina. Trimadol is also your friend. You can still get there. godspeed.

[@CssHDmonster]

finally the p2w enjoyer has seen his wrongful ways by experiencing the truth

[@TheSonOfDumb]

I've been playing standard edition all this time so I'm used to all the gripes you're presenting. I think the stash level up requirements are a bit much though.

[@C.Kilinc]

I don't even bother with stash level 3 and 4 anymore. I just buy or trade an item case instead.

[@sinkie1184]

@@C.Kilinc level 3 is worth it but after that I just barter for thicc items cases

[@Brent-jc2up]

Veritas and Jesse Kazzam put it very well. It depends on your definition of “pay to win.” Trader rep and the amount of money you have to dump into the stash to upgrade it to full size is insane, and what held me back more than anything. The epsilon container is easy enough to get, and comparable enough to the gamma, that I don’t really worry about that too much. Trader rep fuckin hurts, though.

[@DerKlingler]

You sir are the real GIGACHAD

[@broofallbros3036]

What I can say as a player used to the game and played standard, if you're good at the game then it's about a 3 week handicap which is kind of annoying if you want to play with friends and fuck around.

[@a_catfish5180]

My friend to moderate regret never upgraded to EOD but rather the second to best version whatever that one is called and I have to say it is rough with smaller butt space but he just rushes punisher and gets the epsilon container which makes it fine

[@pun5925]

ill be a standard gamer til the day i die

[@makerofwarmbread]

The gas analyzer is so real. I was trying for that shit for like 20 raids

[@makerofwarmbread]

Now I find like 3 a raid

[@maxzett]

Played my very first wipe with Standard, about 3 weeks into the wipe. Managed to get to stash 3, and generally had a great time. Getting those stash upgrades, especially the first one, felt SO rewarding. I later bought EOD with a later wipe after getting stash 2 and id say it defenitly took away part of the reward System that pushed me to grind. But then again I love lighthouse, so maybe im a weirdo. Plus I absolutely nolifed the game (4+h a day) which I know some people cant pull off. If youre inexperienced and you have Standard, it really can become frustrating if you got about 1h to play a day, and those consist of 10mik queue, 20min gameplay, and 30min stash juggling

[@Wywern291]

In many ways, playing tarkov with the standard edition feels like playing a game free-to-play. At least I can take comfort in knowing that treatment seems to now also appy to anyone with less than the most expensive edition.

[@xshaddd]

6:53 what a beautiful pun

[@jacobb-c7946]

I played for about 100 hours on a standard, I enjoyed it but I really hated not having the stash space, container and rep. If I didn’t get EOD I probably wouldn’t have played anymore.

[@yellow_jacket3260]

I say part of the intrigue with standard edition is that you have to manage yourself upon limited resources. To me its not fun really to be presented with everything you can at the start. Having to making decisions and incentives to use weapons in your stash adds a lot to the experience

[@Hackberryofficer]

its funny because I find a gas analyzer almost every other raid lol

[@Bonely578]

If you go over to prapors place on woods ive found around 3 gas analyzers in one raid

[@infinityd8448]

I ve been playing on standard edition from almost start of my eft adventure and yes, stash at first is tiny and you have to do more quests but that's pretty all. Money is so easly accessible even gear is in late wipe so that 2.5 milion (it used to be 3.5 mil or sth like that - they reduced the cost long time ago) cost of upgrading your stash is nothing really, littlebit later on you have cases from doing quests too (you only have to upgrade stash 2lv up to be not worrying about the stash space anymore - 1st lv is like 2.5 mil plus few shitty cheap tools, and second is like 6 mil so you do not have to spend 44 mil to have only good enough stash). The worst part of gettting epsilon is going to lighthouse now and if community would speak about it i'm sure they would change it and it is not really that long to get epsilon - there are 6 punisher quests + you do like 10-15 quests earllier to get almost the biggest secure container in a game. Like every old player of Tarkov said I will say that the true tarkov players are the standard edition player/or people who started with standard edition and upgraded. Tarkov always was grindy and idk why everyone just woke up and speak about it - and this do not makes tarkov pay to win because you do not pay for any additional advantage in raid playing against other editions in a game - you die no matter what addition you have. In a contrast take "Arena Breakout Infinite" where you just can buy in game currency and buy every bit of gear, bigger secure container for some time and stash for amount of time and more. There is diffrence about gear you start with and gear withch you can buy for real money no matter what and when you feel like it - just image 1st day of the wipe and 5man decides to buy best armor in a game and run facory on first days that is real cancer ABI. ABI players will tell you that ABI is not pay to win, so if ABI is not p2w, Tarkov for shure has nothing in common with p2w.

[@Brimshae]

I still don't understand the hate for Lighthouse. It runs just fine for me.

[@alphaxbox3728]

The issue isn't the actual ability to run it. The issue is how bad the map is and how many tasks are associated with it. Flow of combat is shit, theirs an entire section of the map almost untouchable if you choose BEAR. It's just badly designed.

[@ThaStrum]

When they moved the Punisher quest part to Lighthouse even I felt sad for the Standard players if it was woods/shoreline then it would be fine.

[@EladOSRS]

i have about 2000 hours in tarkov, and i've only ever played standard. Yes, people dont understand how terrible a low stash is. Like the last time i played, i wouldnt even organize my stash, i'd sell everything that wasnt 250k+ to traders and just run tier 4 armor. If you don't do that, you will spend dozens of hours moving things around, stacking backpacks, etc

[@lemarianotv]

Well now you know my pain every wipe

[@AlexisMrMachine]

I'd consider Epsilon almost a sidegrade to Gamma given the shape of the storage depending on your usage of it.

[@killercobra009]

While true, I’ve never seen someone swap out a GAMMA for a EPSILON lmao

[@sIimepoop]

This is a cope. I’ve never once had a 4 x1 item I’ve specifically wanted to put into my pouch. At the end of the day 9>8. The most you’ll ever need is a 3x1 for a surv12

[@rebull8262]

You're delulu

[@pierce9104]

there's almost no situations where the shape is going to make up for 1 less slot, at least nowhere near enough for it to be considered equal to the gamma

[@s1mpleeeeeee]

yeah like if you focus on prapor level 2, then you will get therapist level 2 like 3 levels after you should, and vice versa with other traders, its just impossible to do all the quests of all traders and be on the level they "should" unlock, you will always be way ahead on level which sucks

[@FJ_0609]

As someone who started in 2018? The standard Edition was fairer, due to the FiR not being a Thing so you could just buy most Items. After that I bought the EoD because Yeah fuck that FiR

[@rlb3418]

Tbh, I like the huge progression mountain to climb. Always had standard edition, still like the game

[@jebuschroist5994]

The game is still absolutely pay to win. Think about it, if you are just given these super expensive items (junkbox, weapon case, ammo case, stash space etc.) at the start then you don't need to spend the roubles on these items. These roubles can in turn be used to buy better ammo, guns, armor, etc. These give you a massive advantage over those that did not purchase EOD or Unheard, especially at the start of the wipe. Think of the amount of meta kits you can build with the money you save by buying EOD, Unheard, or extra stash space. All of this can give you an advantage over those that did not open their wallets. I'm not even factoring in the time you need to spend to get the trader rep and levels up.

[@puckhead777]

Not sure what EOD edition u talking about. With my EOD version I get the extra rep and stash space, BUT I've NEVER received a Junk box/weapon case/ammo case to start.

[@sinkie1184]

after 2 weeks into the wipe most of those advantages make no difference anymore, its pay 4 a slight early wipe advantage

[@Glare108]

Cry all you want, a good player doesn't have to use "meta" gear to do well. Sure these things are helpful, but a shit player with them is still going to be a shit player. Good players will do well regardless of their circumstances.

[@arcticwulf5796]

Played 3 wipes with 2 friends with EOD. I play 3x more and we are at the same progression pace.

[@TheRisible]

The stash costing 44 mil for level 4 is ridiculous that needs to at least be cut in half

[@hawescc]

honestly just increase the amount of secure containers in the game, make them more accessible and decrease stash size upgrade costs by a ton. The more expensive game editions shouldn't really give u a almost permanent advantage since it was seen as funding for the devs....

[@jdweiser]

Plutonium isn’t rare. It’s not even natural. It’s man made. To call it rare would be like saying gold is more common than leaves on trees. Love the vids btw!

[@tehjamerz]

Ironically i did punisher pt 6 on lighthouse, to get on our own land done at the same time

[@donjonson1748]

Lighthouse has been my favorite map since it was introduced to the game. I hardly play any other map. Best map in the game!