I Was Wrong About the 16" M1 Max MacBook Pro! 3 Months Later

[@JerrySchulze]

iPhone 13 mini 4 Months Later: I'm Selling It: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qnOWpqh9nbd3i7c

[@NTGuides]

Ayo someone else uses an S2722QC Let's go

[@larryshark4580]

DONATE YOUR KIDNEY AND BUY 13-PRO

[@alcylon]

good choise

[@orion98mc92]

I bought the 16" Max 32 cores and 32 GB 4TB - because I was fearing the 14" would overheat on regular tasks which I HATED on my 13" intel. When I received it I was a bit laid down by the size and weight compared to the 13" I was used to. Fast forward 2 months later ... I love this Mac, and would pick the 16" any day. I got used to the size and now all the other laptops and their small screens really seem too small to work on. The heat is very moderate and I have never heard the fan once! The screen is great, the size, the luminosity, the keyboard, the speakers are so great. And man .. 4TB ... I have a lot of sound banks for music productions and still 2TB free. Overall best Mac I ever had.

[@JerrySchulze]

My struggle is I change computers all the time. I would love 4 or 8 tb but I can’t afford that in every computer.

[@djleechcraft]

Inspiring. Ordered one recently. Waiting. I hope I won't be disappointed

[@RedLeo-pf9yo]

Bigger is always better !!!

[@djleechcraft]

After 2 months of use, I can confidently say that it has elevated my work to another level. Like really, this is a great great tool. Bigger faster and more powerful is always preferable for computers. Saves you so much time

[@MR-Santos-PR]

Exact same issue. I returned the 14 inch because I start to use the 16 in my bed, the couch, the dinning table. And then I don’t want the 14

[@skittou]

Fully agree. The 16" is full comfort when using it, even on a couch or in bed (combination of screen real estate + less noise + less heat). These main advantages easily compensate for the more weight drawback, at least to me. Coming from a 2014 15" MBP, it practically makes almost no difference. And silver of course. Classic colour all the way!

[@phrog.4809]

I also have a 2014 15 inch MacBook Pro, it mysteriously died on me a week ago, and it always got very hot and made it uncomfortable to use, but after hearing what KZbinrs and you have to say, I think I'm gonna go for this model.

[@thejasontlewis]

I just went back to the 16" after going through the 14" a few Mac Minis, and a couple PC permutations.

[@JerrySchulze]

Hi Jason! Anything in particular you went for the 16 over the 14?

[@thejasontlewis]

@@JerrySchulze I thought the 16" was big and the 14 would be more my size, but one I had the 14" I realized it would be great for a mobile (like leave the house) computer. But since I don't really ever do that the 16 was a better fit to move around the house with.

[@JerrySchulze]

Ya, I think that is a big part of it. I probably wouldn't take this to coffee shops, or whatever the kids do with laptops these days.

[@frannyfranman]

I went with the 16” too. I’ve heard so many youtubers saying like “It’s too big for working on a plane or bus!!” Like dawg, then stop saving all your work for when you’re traveling

[@tc102167]

I went back and forth with 14” max, 16” base. My final decision- 16” Pro (not max), 32gb and 2TB. Have it for 4 months. The battery life without the max is mind blowing, iPad 12.9” pro for plane and portability. Thanks for doing these videos!

[@JerrySchulze]

Thanks so much for checking them out!

[@arbaparsa]

Exactly the same as you and I absolutely love the setup

[@naturallymitch]

But do you feel like the M1 Pro will hold up performance-wise for years to come as well? I mean the battery life can't be THAT much better, can it? That's the main reason I'd pick the M1 Max so it's "future-proofed."

[@Legendofzedia]

@@naturallymitch I had the max but I use VMs for cloud computing if your not do multilayer 4k videos editing or Virtual Machines then the max is over kills “future proofing” to a max for performance that you’ll never use is just a waste of money IMO

[@naturallymitch]

@@Legendofzedia Thanks for that. I will almost exclusively be editing 4k footage often along with large photo batch editing in LR and PS, and who knows what else down the road.

[@bEASToUTtHEbOX]

Interestingly enough, the 16" MBP is literally the same size as the 15.6" 2012 MBP. The 16" is considerably thinner. And of course, the slimmer bezels for a wider screen and larger speakers make the 16" seem much larger.

[@elmersicllacanales1441]

I bought the m1 Max 16 inch MacBook Pro with 24 gpu cores, 32 gb ram and 1 terabyte of storage. I don’t really need that much power but it’s nice to have and I will keep for a very long time. My only issue is the wait time to receive it. It takes two months at least.

[@johnmcelfresh8761]

I started with the 16” MacBook Pro with the M1 Pro chip, 16Gb ram and 1TB storage. I returned it for the 16” M1 Max, 32Gb Ram and 1TB storage as soon as one finally came available and I am glad I did. I have a DJI Mavic 2 Pro and Zoom, and the video editing capability and future proofing were the reasons I switched. Am happy with my decision to this day! My first Apple laptop, might as well go whole-hog.

[@agarinos]

Same here. returned it and bought m1 max 64GB 1TB in silver.

[@RobWhittlestone]

Good to hear. Initially I was interested in the 14" MBP but am tending toward the silver 16" M1 Pro 10-Core, 32GB, 1TB for use on my desk in clamshell mode with external 4k monitor and stereo speakers. When travelling, for most things I have other small Android and Windows devices and an iPhone - I'm not expecting to travel AND edit videos. Travel and e-mail or check-in online yes. So it will be occasionally portable but mostly static. The 16" has much better cooling than the 14". I'm pleased to see my rationale aligning with other people's.

[@akaimagez]

I just bought the 16inch model to replace an iMac 21,5 inch 2017 model and have no regrets. For me it is more a desktop replacement than a mobile device. I love it.

[@alexmacaulay965]

I love my m1 max I came from an outdated Acer laptop and now ive got to experience first hand the evolution of laptops through the years!

[@wtbman]

Size was an easy choice. I loved my 17" MBP, especially for couch surfing. The M1 Max was an easy desicision because I knew I wanted to power 3-4 4k monitors for work. I struggled with 32 vs 64 GB of ram. I went with the 64 GB even though it took an extra month and a half to arrive. I don't regret it one bit. 16GB was always a limiting factor for me on the 2017 MPB. 32 just didn't offer enough head room for the next few years. It's not rational and I don't need it but when I spend 8+ hours a day working on the machine it's nice to never be slowed down or limited.

[@BrasilEmFatos]

Are you a dev? I do have a M1 Air 16GB and ram is kinda limiting myself now. I do have to compile about 16 Java services locally and I gotta buy something better. I was thinking about the 16 inch 32GB M1 Pro

[@notefromone2925]

You may like 16in but the size's pain slowly grows on you. I know I had the intel 16in MacBook it was unwieldy. You CAN carry it around but it's not something that you can easily do so

[@MadWayToday]

Thank you so much! For this video! Now i know what size i need! Greets from Amsterdam ❤

[@JerrySchulze]

You’re welcome 😊

[@chrisharris9710]

I bought the 14” m1-max with 64GB ram and 1 TB ssd…… a few days later I cancelled that for the same setup in 32GB instead of 64…… a few days later I canceled that and finally settled into the same specs in a 16”….. what a ride. Lol

[@chrisharris9710]

Oh, and I did get it in silver. Had the grey previously (a mid 17 15” model), and felt like silver was the play this time.

[@JerrySchulze]

Lol!!!! I did pretty much the same thing. My apple order history page is riddled with cancelled orders.

[@chrisharris9710]

@@JerrySchulze what finally settled me into the 16” was the size and space for cooling. From everything I’ve looked at it seems the 16” just runs cooler, and I’m not huge on the fans having to do a ton of work. At that point the extra $200 was a no brainer. And yea, I have orders and canceled orders all over my history there as well. Lol

[@websurfer945]

Loool I literally returned my 16in for a 14in after I saw your previous video and when I’m using the 14in I realised how much I missed the 16in model and then I went back to the store for the 3rd time and got the 16in back this week, and here it comes with this video. Totally related to those emotional stages and it was the most unique experience for me of purchasing a computer 😂

[@JerrySchulze]

Lol glad I am not the only crazy one.

[@TheIkaika777]

You should take every KZbin review with a grain of salt. It’s all about making money with clicks.

[@guyjordan8201]

With only 5% increase in price from Pro to Max in a 16” 32 GB package is it future proofing or just foolish to get the Max.? We have no 4K video in our workflow and that $200 is half way to a fast external SSD solution.

[@willloftin966]

15"-16" size is the best size. 14" - 13" too small. Need to make them not get hot

[@ryanlovelock3024]

Pretty happy then with my 16" 24core 32Gb 2TB. Would love to know why you would definitely choose silver though? This is the second time I've heard a passionate preference for silver without a reason and personally I find the space grey to be much sexier.

[@billyoung9124]

I agree and my preference has always been space grey since it came out.

[@aquaphoenixx]

I got a Space Gray M1 MBA because it was on sale. In addition, the color looks great in pictures. However I would not get it again if I can choose not to. And I am saying this even as I like how the color looks in real life as well. The main reason is that dust, little crumbs etc visually pop on that color. I don't know why. I had a silver Retina MBP for 7 years and I didn't notice dust and crumbs so often or that severe. A reson for silver in the M1 Pro and M1 Max MacBook Pros is because the keyboard has a black background there is a nice visual contrast with the silver body.

[@hopedaddy907]

To me, silver seems classic and real. And less like I'm an extra in a scene from Star Wars. But of course colors are mostly a matter of personal preference. 😊

[@harrison00xXx]

I owned 2 Macs, 2009 15", 2010 15" (until today when i decided to switch to a 2021 16" MBP), both silver. They are not really dust magnets and dust isnt really visible on them. Still i ordered a grey MBP... i had only white/silver Apple stuff yet except for some iPods or so, and i DONT WANTED the contrast between the case and the keyboard since its all black now

[@billyoung9124]

@@hopedaddy907 I agree with you 100%. I am a space gray person and would never own a car that is white, even if it's my dream 911 car, either. It is ALL about "personal preference" and my personal preference is no better or worse than anyone else's. If someone likes silver or any color, that is their preference and life goes on.

[@djoneill5645]

Exactly what I’m waiting on, 16”, 32gb ram, 32 core with 2 TB storage in Silver. Waiting times are just crazy with Apple at the moment.

[@premierde]

I ordered M1 Max 16 inch, 64GB,4TB: on 14 Dec. And it is going to be delivered on 11Feb. Finaly 2 month of wait coming to end. 🙂.

[@djoneill5645]

@@premierde enjoy it mate. It’ll be worth the wait from what I’m hearing.

[@DanielLundh]

I got an M1 Pro 16-incher about 3 months ago (at a sizable discount) and just like my 2013 MBA, I can see this thing lasting me 10 years or so. I usually don't carry it around traveling, but just moving between kitchen and couch. If I have to go to the gym to do that then goddammit that's what I'll do!

[@JerrySchulze]

lol

[@urielsantistebanfilms]

Very exciting times. I ordered a 16 inch M1Max 32 Ram 1 TB storage and I can’t wait to get it! The wait is so long!

[@Piketom1]

I have the 14" with m1 pro. I don't need the extra GPU performance of M1 Max so the 14" is really the perfect device for me. It is a powerful workstation when I need the performance and an ultrabook when I need that. I had the intel version of the 16" MacBook pro for 2 years before my 14". The extra weight of the 16" is not an issue but the smaller footprint of the 14" is really fantastic.

[@ChadChristian]

I have the 16 with 1TB and works perfect. Sold my 14 to get the 16.

[@NoGasWelcomeAboard]

MBP 14/16’s currently on sale at Best Buy, Amazon, Costco and others with huge discounts. Price difference between the two sizes now at only $200 with $350 off any configuration. Kept mine lower end, but my M1 iPad Air 256mb will soon have a 16” big brother!

[@MrDcrules]

Fantastic video! I've had a 15in MacBook Pro for 10 years. I just got the 14in and it's indeed smaller than the 15in. I have not tried the 16in. Debating whether to get both.... Right now, I likely will keep the 14in and view it as a more portable MacBook Pro for traveling and bringing it around my apartment and local travels. I suppose I also could get the 16in too and retire the 15in one.... Most of the videos I've seen have seen folks choosing the 14in as the sweet spot--and I appreciate their perspective. But I also appreciate where you are coming from. Best!

[@smoothallday]

The weight issue is a big deal if you are lugging it around a lot. I went from a 2012 13” MacBook Pro weighing in at 4.5 lbs to a 2016 MacBook Air at 2.96 lbs. The 1.5 lbs difference was huge! My current machine is a 2020 M1 MacBook Air. I barely notice it’s in my bag. For students who have to walk long distances on campus the weight consideration is significant.

[@80-80.]

Nice to know. The most expensive MacBook is the best after all....And I guess the orange iMac is best suited as background decoration.

[@JerrySchulze]

Yes, true

[@BlueStarSky369]

My M1 Pro doesn't get hot at all. I still haven't heard the fans run.

[@JerrySchulze]

Awesome!

[@TechWithAdil]

Awesome, I am happy I ordered Macbook Pro 16 with M1 MAX.

[@thejasontlewis]

Why is the iMac in the timeout corner?

[@JerrySchulze]

😂😂😂 just because my office is currently a disaster and I had no other place for it.

[@Raptorman0909]

My current laptop, now 7 years old and needing replacement, was a top spec Dell 16inch with 4K display. I've owned, and traveled with, 17 inch laptops so 16 inch isn't a problem for me particularly since these newer laptops with minimum bezels are smaller than earlier generation laptops with 15 inch screens. I have an order for a 16 inch MacBook Pro Max with 64GB RAM and 2TB storage which is only lacking the even larger storage options of up to 8TB. Here's my reasoning for this model versus, say, the Pro with 16GB or 32GB ... I don't upgrade every year and as I mentioned before, my current laptop is 7 years old, so getting a laptop that will last me longer makes more sense than buying a lower spec model but replacing it a year earlier. Let's say a lower spec model lasts me 4 years and the one I order lasts me 5 years, after 4 years I'd get a new unit more powerful than the higher spec model I ordered BUT a year later, if I went with the higher spec model, I'd get a new unit even more powerful than the one a year earlier. And, for 4 of 5 years I'd have had the more powerful model all along. It's hard to make a pure economic evaluation, but if the higher spec model gets you one more year then the delta cost is kind of a wash. I should mention that mu current Dell laptop has been very good but the touchpad has been delaminating for a year or more and at this point is mostly useless -- I use an external mouse. I also have a 6 year old desktop I built for video and image editing as well as CAD work and it to is getting a little long in the tooth so replacing my current laptop AND desktop with a new laptop more powerful than both just makes even more sense.

[@harrison00xXx]

the problem with your argument... We are talking more or less about the "1st Gen" of Apples ARM CPUs... If the M1 Pro is getting outdated and "too slow", you better dont hope for the M1 Max to be "fast enough" for another year, its probably already "as slow" as the M1 Pro. Thats btw the biggest problem i have with this generation of Macs... as much i like them (and ordered a 16" base model)... they will probably be the first Macs next to the regular M1 chip to be outdated. I have also upgraded my 2010 MacBook Pro. With fast SSD, maxxed out Ram.. but OUTDATED ARCHITECTURES are not getting usable again with "more power". And as sad it is... if the M1 Pro is outdated, the Max will be too, especially since the CPU is more or less the same while the biggest difference is the GPU.

[@romari2706]

The 16 inch fits on an airline tray. The past 17- inch Macbook Pro fit easily.

[@AlecKinnear]

In First Class, definitely. In Business Class, maybe. In standard coach, no way. Just wait until the SOB in front of you cranks back his seat to snore on a transatlantic and he shatters your 17 inch screen.

[@alexprivates356]

I am currently struggling if I should buy a MacBook Pro at all. My favorite is the the 14” base model. But also this performance I won’t need at all. We’ll see what will happen in March’s event…

[@dglatz01]

Interesting video. Seems like a solid example of consumerism and how marketing affects us. I appreciate your honesty! I went through a similar exercise when deciding between 14 and 16 inch M1. I ended up getting the 16 inch, but I never expected to take it off my desk much (which has proven true so far). Thanks for your thoughtful and well-executed content.

[@harrison00xXx]

I also had a hard decision between 14 and 16", but i knew already- the base model is just fine for me since even that is an overkill af. I had only budget reasons since the 16" was out of budget with 1TB SSD. It was mainly for the sake of still using a Mac - I am running a 2010 MBP 15" since nearly 12 years, repaired and upgraded it multiple times, replaced 3x the battery, but since a fan bearing starts to make bad noises some days ago - i think its time to finally go on and get a new Mac, anyways time to upgrade after 12 years.

[@mpetrides]

I’ve always been perfectly happy with my 16 inch M1 Pro MBP with 32 Gb memory/ 1Tb storage. Yes, I’d have preferred 2 Tb storage but can’t justify the cost. Going from M1 Pro to M1 Max makes absolutely no sense for the purposes I currently use the MBP for. The beast I have is more than enough and will likely serve me well for 5 or 6 years, unless I develop a lust for some shiny new improvement that comes down from AAPL sooner.

[@faithhouse6111]

AAPL?

[@mpetrides]

@@faithhouse6111 Ticker tape symbol for Apple Inc. (like T is ATT, MSFT is Microsoft, etc.)

[@faithhouse6111]

@@mpetrides thanks

[@Mongster15]

Thanks Jerry. I have the exact specs that you suggested in a 16inch. The main reason I go this size is the viewable screen size increase is mainly in HEIGHT which is really important in viewing documents especially is you want to look at a whole A4 page - or two side by side. It makes reviewing and reading documents much easier instead of needing to squint or only being able to see part of the page with the 14 inch.

[@JerrySchulze]

Good point.

[@hopedaddy907]

Totally. I regularly look at multiple docs while I'm working - or while in Teams meetings. I started using an iMac at home, and then I was like, wait a minute? Why the heck am I trying to do my work on a 13" laptop? 🙄

[@quentondaniels8536]

I formerly used a maxed out 13” MBP with touch bar, jumped up to the 16” MBP maxed out. Adore it, do not miss a thing from my former 13” MBP.

[@harrison00xXx]

Why you guys replace your Macs that often? Thats damn pricy! I am still on a 2010 15" midclass model, but since after multiple repairs, upgrades and 4 batteries (all DIY) a fan bearing is now making bad noises i ordered finally a 16" base model. And even i know... this Mac is probably the biggest overkill i ever did (for basic stuff and little bit photoshop editing), but there were no other viable options and i cant use windows on a productive machine, Windows is reserved for me for gaming, some astrophotography work (windows only software) and torrent/warez only.

[@quentondaniels8536]

@@harrison00xXx - I work in the photo/video world and my work flow needs up to date Macs for my up to date cameras codecs.

[@harrison00xXx]

@@quentondaniels8536 Ok for productivity reasons in this area, there is no question especially video stuff But nonetheless, the M1 Pro also performs AWESOME (at least what i have seen in reviews) Its coming in 2 days, i cant wait to see the difference it makes from my good old 2010 15" Model. Especially the screen interests me and i hope this mini-LED technology isnt a huge dealbraker for Astrophotography reasons (with the bloom around bright areas in the dark) I am more or less only importing and editing photos, mainly stacked astro data, therefor even a regular M1 Mac would be an overkill already but i need/want the better screen so i had to take the Pro model anyways (also, i dont wanted a smaller screen than i have with the 15" model)

[@quentondaniels8536]

@@harrison00xXx - you’ll enjoy my friend, it’ll be day and night from your old Mac.

[@philipmcdonnell7168]

I am struggling with the choice. I had made up my mind to get the MBP M1 Max 64Bg 1TB when it first came out. It's physically barely any bigger than my current mid-2012 and I like big screens. I am not a gamer or a power user but my mid-2012 MBP has taught me that the more RAM I have, the more likely it will last as long as the current one has. However, in the UK, it's a 1 month delivery from order cycle. Also, I am wondering what the M2 chip will bring and, finally, my iPad Pro 9.7" 1st Gen is also reaching obsolescence because of its lack of RAM so I may have to update that. And I'm not made of money. I continue to procrastinate.

[@JerrySchulze]

Solid points. The M2 may have faster cores but less of them and less GPU for sure. You are looking at a huge price diff between the M1 max 64 and an M2. If you don’t care about cost go for the M1 Max and there may not be a larger screen air coming.

[@Kevkin]

I bought the same spec for the same reasons. I don’t regret it.

[@teabreakbeats]

I ordered 1st December and still waiting for mine to show up!

[@oliverpolden]

I wonder how many people go for a 16” when they could be perfectly happy with a 14” but push the resolution/display scaling a bit higher than you are able to by default. Then you can have the space for apps side by side. I use RDM (Retina display menu) to do it.

[@saulgood2366]

Not that many. Very happy with the 16”

[@der_heftige_Harald]

1 reason: Battery life

[@qbncrzn]

You hit it on the nose, Jerry! I currently have my 14 inch in a box with receipt and ready to go. When you mentioned going back to the 14 inch and not really being underwhelmed but whelmed was exactly the feeling. The benefits outweigh the extra weight, hands-down. The situation I went with was 10/16/16 for both models so I ended up keeping the base model 16 inch with 1TB. Also for kicks I realized my 11 inch iPad is exactly half my 16 inch screen when in Split View and I love that.

[@JerrySchulze]

I know that I am crazy but glad there are others out there!

[@stephenfgdl]

when you use your ipad as an external display when you travel (or universal control) In my case I had no need for a bigger screen.

[@RtlyBeauty]

I absolutely love my M1 pro MacBook Pro 16 inch. You have to get what works for you and not what the influencers say would be best for you 😃

[@JerrySchulze]

Good thing I have zero influence! lol

[@RtlyBeauty]

@@JerrySchulze lol

[@Crispy_Bee]

My issue with the 14" is that the viewing angles are so narrow, you have to sit perfectly still infront of the display and you can't move your head a bit (not to the sides, not up, not down) or you'll experience colour and contrast shift. It might be minute but it's enough to make me feel dizzy and almost sick. So working with the 14" is not possible at all. I'd have to see whether the 16" is any better in that regard but I'm not too hopeful.

[@JerrySchulze]

Interesting. I don’t experience this.

[@Crispy_Bee]

@@JerrySchulze it reminded me of how the first UHD IPS panels looked like, almost as if someone forgot to install another diffusion layer. In large format photography you get a similar effect when you use a groundglass without a Fresnel lens

[@Dcyde86]

I was like "go for the 16" M1 Max and have your mind relaxed for what you may need" but I decided on the 16" M1 Pro 16Gb Ram. No issue for the moment other than the Montereys kernel memory leak which is now fixed in 12.2. I'm completely satisfied with my decision and I'm happy with it.

[@Dcyde86]

update 12.3.1 has no such memory leak issue. works as it should. I am experiencing some random Chrome crashes and some (very very few) laptop random shutdowns,but the last one extremely rare

[@trialcritic7625]

I like larger screens too. I got the 16 inch M1 Max, 64 GB RAM, 2 TB. I love it. Do my Machine Learning in it, its waay better than my 2015 15 inch MBP!

[@JerrySchulze]

Nice!

[@DanielNeubauer]

To be fair it should be way faster. There is a 6 years difference between your old and new one. Good choice mate.

[@robertidonotsharemyfullnam496]

i've been a 15/16 inch user all my life.. i have never ever wanted something else...

[@agarinos]

Same here! i have an ipad pro 12.9 1TB 16GB as a more mobile solution.

[@leolang1234]

If I wasn’t moving as much as i do I would’ve choose the 14” cause it would stay in the dock connected to a monitor and bluetooth mouse and keyboard. It is crucial to have more space in arrangement view. I am struggling right now having only 13” air without external monitor. 16” best all around for my conditions

[@heavycrown005]

we have the same choice. no regrets at all. 16 inch m1 max is great to use

[@cobymarcum1442]

When is Apple going to make an 18”? (I’m serious)

[@JoshuaHults]

I use logic X and that is the main purpose of getting macbook for me. I like the idea of 14 inch for price and less looks in public, but 16 inch seems to be the one I really need as it will be my main computer. Downgrading in screen size from 27 inch imac 2013 to clear up space, will have to go look at these in person to really tell.

[@BloodyEpicG4m3rZ]

I'm a DJ and just got a base model 16 inch MacBook Pro. I usually use it connected to my mixing console that has SSDs attached to it with all my music and have been used to using 512GB OS drives for many years so it ticked the boxes for me. I love the size so far! Moving over from a 13 inch MacBook Pro. I also absolutely love the keyboard, in fact, I think the new keyboards in this generation of laptops is my favourite part

[@aahpandasrun]

I’ve bought a device with too small a screen a few times too. Like laptops and apple watches. The smaller more portable size makes sense in the moment when I’m buying it. But i always regret it later. The only device that I like a little smaller is an iPhone because i have to carry it everywhere in my pocket. It’s the one time I’m not jealous of a larger screen because you can’t do more with it.

[@TheLatherio]

new M1 MacBook Pros - "16" and 14" tonight. The body is squared off and thicker than my 2019 MBP. WHAT??? And it feels cheap, not like the former Airplane Grade aluminum. You knock on it and it feels hollow-ish. And the bottom feet are harder than previous models, almost like a cell phone case that is hard plastic and sort of hits the desk too hard. I am pretty disappointed. Why, Apple, Why?

[@frostgodx]

Jerry please color me stupid.. i bought a 14" 16 core gpu, sent it back for 16" 32 core max because i like to game on the side and could only hit 90FPS on my 144hz monitor and wanted more, got a second 14" at the same time 32 core max to get side by side with 16 cause i couldnt decide (16" ends up around 10c colder no matter what im doing intensive with same specs) sent the 16 back for being too large it just felt wrong, after 4-5 days missed the better thermals and fan noise under heavy load im still within return window and am so close to once again going back to the 14" but damn the screen real estate on the go is so much less and then to combat thermals i was thinking cutting back to 24 core or even the normal pro with 16 core again even though i wasn't happy with 16gb ram and i could afford more SSD but bah it doesnt quite fit my use case... choices choices i feel like an idiot this question haunts me all day everyday now its all i think about "my return windows closes at X date i could get the 14" 24 core max but what if battery sucks again and its still too hot should i just keep this 16", but its so big, ok 14" 16 core gpu with 4TB and 32gb BUT no i wasent happy with that GPU core amount last time but its got the best overall back and forth.... I wish there was a more black and white to this but damn there just isnt lol. At home i work on a 27" display anyway but when i am on the go or at the offive its built in display only and then i feel the burden of BOTH 16" feeling unweildy and large as hell but in the same token 14" screen feeling very cramped. UGH help! LOL Also note i kept going back and forth with silver and space grey also but thats not that big a deal LOL i have a massive problem. I also know the M2 ones will come soon but this is more than enough machine for me for the next 5+ years at least

[@JerrySchulze]

Are you my brain? lol. Stupid struggles and I have gone back and forth on the 14 vs 16. I have settled on the 24 core for now with 1tb. I will probably go with whatever the lower level m2 max is with 2tb next.

[@frostgodx]

@@JerrySchulze deleted my other reply but i watched your videos after this one to see lol. Thanks for all the info you provide its always exactly what i end up finding out for myself as well. Normally cant trust content creators as its unrealistic shit but your stuff is on point.

[@claytonpetree527]

I can see why you like it. I have 2nd guessed my choice of the 14" when it was revealed just how poorly cooled it is. But I didn't buy a MAX so it's not throttling, the fans don't "come on", and the thing is darn fast. I also want to be able to watch it on the plane and the 16" is too big for that. The battery life isn't all that great, but 90% of the time it's connected to an outlet anyway. So I'm loving the laptop but REALLY missing gaming a bit on bootcamp. They really need to get that Windows ARM license sorted out asap. Apple has already said it's no problem to do it.

[@mariusmocanrealestatephoto1378]

I got the 16’ MacBook Pro w/ M1 Pro chip and I totally had that FOMO feeling Jerry is talking about. It made me feel vulnerable to having a redundant product in the next couple of years. I returned it and got the 16’ MacBook Pro w/ M1 Max.

[@JerrySchulze]

Its rough being us.

[@harrison00xXx]

The question is now.... what are you doing with it? I also ordered the M1 Pro "only"... but since all i do is watching movies/series, web browsing and a little bit photoshop (with mainly astrophotography)... there is absolutely no way that i even use 10% of its capabilities. Ofc im a bit worried about the future because of the 16GB shared Ram, also a bit about the 512GB SSD only, but since i have my data anyways on external m.2 drives with TB/USB-C... i think i can get away with the cheapest 16" model (im planning anyways to abuse it as long and hard as possible as i did with my 2010 MacBook Pro until today...) I know - even the regular M1 is for 95% of the people overkill. The M1 Pro already for 98% at least, The Max for 99%+. Even when it comes to the content creators, rendering etc, there is barely any reason for "needs" of a M1 Max.

[@Rashimotosan]

Same. Actually got lucky and was able to get a 16" m1 Max 32/32/1 TB for only $350 more than the price of a retail base model 16" M1 Pro for Black Friday and have no regrets.

[@chemile3811]

The 16 inch definitely seems like a great option, but as a student, it is simply impossible to make it work on the tiny desks i’ll be using in the lecture halls. If it wasn’t for that, I would’ve definitely gone 16 inch, and honestly would’ve probably even used it as a complete desktop replacement.

[@JerrySchulze]

Oh, no one here has mentioned lecture hall desks. Great point!

[@MrWh4327782]

the size is everything, that is just right. after spend few days with the 16inch, the 15.6inch even is too small for my eye.

[@Killermike2178]

I got a similarly spec'ed-out 16" MBP for one reason: Future-proofing. This thing replaced my 2009 13" base spec MBP, yes, you read that right, I used that sucker for 12 years, and I feel comfortable knowing it will last me a while without buyer's remorse setting in, thinking I'll need to upgrade again anytime soon. Yes, it's hella overkill for me now, but get back with me in 5-10 years...

[@Killermike2178]

Also, I'm thinking of getting into video editing for my job, so there's that, too...

[@JerrySchulze]

That’s awesome!

[@SouthDL]

I like the philosophical approach to tech of you!

[@JerrySchulze]

Thanks so much!

[@SnerMerNer]

Just ordered mine yesterday and I’m super pumped. It’s gonna be a music production machine mostly, but i wanted to be able to do video editing as well. 16” M1Max with 24 core gpu, 64GB RAM, 2TB SSD. Hopefully I’m future proofed. Now I just gotta wait 3 weeks and hope it doesn’t get delayed.

[@kobefan2472]

Currently watching and typing from my m2 14 inch max , Im having a liddddle size anxiety and am going to the apple store this week to check out the 16 inch max , I just might come back with it ask me for the update lol

[@romari2706]

I prefer larger screens. I loved the 17-inch Macbook Pro of past years. The weight is not a problem. It is only 1 pound more than the smaller Macbook.

[@techno.science]

it's not about the device, it about how you use it. You think a faster and more expensive machine will make you more talented?

[@darealphantom]

I’m a big fan of the 16 inch myself after getting the 2019 version I’m ready to upgrade to the M1 16 inch it’s always better to have a computer that’s overkill & future proof for your workflow

[@williamhubschwerlin3096]

I saw the 14" laptop adjustable stand you have. Can you tell brand name and where to buy? Thanks

[@JerrySchulze]

The one in this video? kzbin.info/www/bejne/r3WzZZaeosqtjZY ? geni.us/IQDC8

[@tracephoto1823]

Our brains get used to size relatively quick, whether going big or small. For me, when I want big, I hook my 14” M1 Pro into my external 27” monitor. When I travel (to the couch or elsewhere) I want the smaller form factor. It’s a perfect solution….for me. Regarding your FOMO, well you just need some therapy. Lol great vid!! 😎👍🏼

[@JerrySchulze]

Yep, I do!

[@jaakkotahtela123]

When I travel I prefer an iPad, especially on the couch

[@mikestrock]

I do mainly the same tasks that you do, and I've been contemplating which one to get. I had an M1 Macbook Air, which I loved, and was the best Windows laptop I had ever used. But the screen was too small. I loved the quiet, and I loved the portability. My previous laptop was a Dell Inspiron 17R, which weighs in at a hefty seven pounds or so. So I think the 16" will work just fine. My ideal configuration would be a Macbook Pro 16 with a Max chip (for future proofing) and 32 gig of RAM and 2 or 4 gigs of disk space. I do use Lightroom CC to process RAW images, so while speed is not imperative, a speed boost would be welcome. The Air that I had was 1.5 times faster than my current i5 PC desktop. Thanks for the review/comparison/explanation. Much appreciated.

[@TOPSFANIS]

16'' is the boss... but about the performance... even my high specs M1 Max struggling sometimes... so I am thinking that is some 3rd party plugins (even optimized for M1) that causing that "lagging". Keep it up!

[@JerrySchulze]

Which app? Final Cut Pro does have some issues. No reason at all it should have a delay building audio waveforms on the time line but I think that is a FCP issue/

[@TOPSFANIS]

@@JerrySchulze Yes, Jerry about FCP... M1 Max it's a beast but like you said... it has some issues.

[@baroum.]

I still prefer having the 14" (not necessarily fully spec’d) I’ve played with both the 16" and 14" at the store, while they both looked thicker than previous ones, and the 16" felt very bulky while holding it up and putting it back on the table, BUT MY QUESTION IS : are the new MBPs more prone to dings, for me the aluminum didn’t seem to be machined like the previous ones, and the screen lids wobble like crazy especially the 16" one, while the previous ones rock solid lids when bumping the table or putting them down… I still have the 15" from 2014 got it fully spec’d at the time, and after 8 years of use it handled bumps extremely well and the lid doesn’t wobble at all, even if you force it, it wobbles for like a split second and stops, the new ones especially the lids, feel less sturdy to me, and if they make the new Airs like that too, I think I’m gonna get a fully spec’d MBA before they change to the new design… sorry for my long comment but I was really wondering if anyone else noticed that and your experiences using the new MBPs with the new aluminum chassis/lids, THANKS!

[@JerrySchulze]

Ya, you can't get use to the size looking in the store but no I have not seen excessive screen wobble. You saw this on multiple display models?

[@baroum.]

@@JerrySchulze you’re right about the size long term, but I’m using a 2014 15" and also I have a late 2013 11" MBA (got it because it reminded me of that 12" PowerBook I couldn’t afford back in the day :) The size is a matter of preference… but about the wobble, yeah I’ve tested it on many MBPs and in many shops, the lids wobble a LOT more than my 8 years old 15" and my girlfriend’s pre-M1 13" MacBook Air (which I find the more robust of all MacBooks) , both rock solid. I’ve been looking around on the net also it seems that the m1 MacBook Airs have more fragile lids than the previous ones too, that’s a shame because the unibody was revolutionary when it started and improved the build quality and the design in general dramatically, don’t get me wrong, I love the new design and all kinds of MacBooks, I never sell my old ones I collect them, but it bugs me when they take a step backwards, in this case the device seems less robust to me…

[@JerrySchulze]

Valid points, thanks!

[@mikldude9376]

@@baroum. Now you mention it , i was in the hifi store the other week looking at apple gear and got talking to a young bloke that had a mac book air , and he commented how delicate the screens where and how easily he had cracked his screen , he did also comment he loved his little mac book , but yes , sturdee they apparently are not.

[@cristibaluta]

The screen is rock solid, no wobble.

[@thomaskerstrong9776]

I just recieved my 16" with m1 pro and 32gb RAM after my 2019 16" with core i9 and 32GB RAM literally died after two years of constant issues. Pretty sure it was just getting too hot to often, with medium workload. Thankfully Apple saw the long list of attempts to find what the problem was with the 2019 model, and they offered to replace my 2019 beast at no cost. And I could not be more satisfied with this new model. The screen is SO much better. The keyboard is a pleasure to use. And with some heavy use to put it through its paces and see how this Apple silicon performs, I'm not only impressed with the noticeable performance jump, but the battery life improvement was so obvious I would have even paid money for the upgrade. Then after already being blown away by the screen and performance jump, I couldn't believe that I hadn't heard to fans turn on at all. The i9 model was SO dissapointing becuase it was so obvious that processor was just not good for the smaller form factor. Then on top of it all is the improvement in build quality and better proportianed chassis. The squared off edges, additional ports, thin bezel, is well just spot on. Reminded me of that feeling of when I first touched my iphone 4. It feels sexy. It looks sexy. It feels like its worth the money, where my 2019 i9 almost made me start thinking of going back to PC since I didn't see the advantage of build quality of 2010-2015 type mbp's. Well done Apple. Im confident this will be a 10 year laptop like my 2012 was.

[@JerrySchulze]

OMG that is SO AWESOME!

[@GrumpyOldTech]

I replaced my Mac mini (dual monitors) and my windows laptop with additional monitor, with MacBook Max, still running 3 monitors and Parallels in coherence mode for the few windows apps I still need. So the 3 monitors required the Max processor and I went with the 16” as the windows laptop was a 17” and I didn’t want to compromise too much. Can have Xcode and a few simulators open on two screens, backend services apps for azure on the other and still have outlook or support tools on the MacBook screen. Couldn’t be more pleased, fits my workflow perfectly…

[@babu.x990]

For me the real problem between 14 inch and 16 is, I can't afford both. :D

[@JerrySchulze]

100% this!!!!

[@MikeTaffet]

I had an opportunity to fly with my laptop a month or so ago. The 14” barely fit. I can’t imagine how the 16” would have fit on the tray during my flight

[@EastWood2004]

I am curious if you really needed the 32gb and 1Tb for general office uses like email or spreadsheet stuff? I thought the Macbook Air is enough.

[@JerrySchulze]

Oh for sure. But video editing, photo editing all with the office stuff beats up 16gb for me.

[@EastWood2004]

@@JerrySchulze I see. I have bought an mbp 13 with 8 Gb. It seems ok for general usage. :)

[@JerrySchulze]

@@EastWood2004 I have no doubt it is great for most people. I’m sure it will serve you well for a long time. Thanks so much for watching!

[@DM-sc4zy]

Bought the 14" but wish i had bought the 16" instead, would never worry about the airplane tray table. If i need that portability I'd bring the ipad with me. Don't need the power of M1 pro let alone Max. I hope there will be a MBA 16 soon.

[@alexandergulbrandsen646]

You there ?

[@petermacgregor2004]

I am waiting for the M2. I don't need it but I want more power.

[@ouissa-benkahyouissa9401]

Which color do yo like more? The spcae grey looks dirty in your opinión based in your experience?

[@JerrySchulze]

Silver.

[@Luckie666]

I can’t decide if I want to pay more for 32gb ram. Is it worth paying more ?

[@JerrySchulze]

Im my opinion yes. Some videos show very little different in performance with the Max and 16 vs 32gb but it also will future proof you.

[@cfazio]

Funny, your videos helped me decide to get the 16” first time. Where did you sell your 14”? Did you trade it in to Apple? I’m thinking of selling my 16” max to buy a new iMac later this year.

[@JerrySchulze]

The 14s were returned but I have had good luck selling computers on Facebook marketplace. I don’t use facebook for anything else.

[@donniearmstrong9410]

I originally order a 14in m1max and after doing more research, I opted to cancel and get a 16inch. Was coming from a 13inch intel which heats up after running 2 safari tabs and abysmal battery life. Not looking back with my purchase, oh and I made it silver.

[@jayaychare7318]

Ditto

[@latitudeash]

The baby comment is in relation to having to carry a baby. They weigh a lot more than your 16in Mac 🤣😂🤣

[@naturallymitch]

Thanks for this video man. I can't even tell you how many YT videos I've watched about the new MBP's and this answered the question I was wondering about: "If I get the 14", will I regret it and realize I really did want the 16" all along even though it will be a bit heavier. So thanks for making the buying mistake for us lol. 16" MBP on the way!!

[@zanettifranke2252]

i got the base model 16 and do documentary editing with mostly h264 HD and 4K material. it performs like a charm. I once edited a whole 6-8 hours (dont remember exactly) without charger connected. my main machine is my 2019 fully specced out imac, which i must say is less snappier and exports slower... so this laptop blew me away! the only thing i feel i did a mistake is the RAM i should have gotten 32GB. I had occasional freezes which I dont know some say have to do with this memory leek thing. but i guess if you have more ram it happens less.

[@JerrySchulze]

So you have the M1 Pro?

[@zanettifranke2252]

Yes exactly

[@jerrychiasson9857]

I went with the M1 pro max 24 The dark horse so glad I did…… especially for music production… could I get away with a M1 air …. That my wife has yes…. But my 16” max it’s so much smoother and faster…. Love the extra screen real estate….

[@JerrySchulze]

Dark horse indeed. rare!

[@WorldvsTruth]

Nice. I did the same, and similarly for music production. I had a gold MBA M1 (16GB ram, 1TB) for about 4 weeks of daily use, before sending it back. It's a great machine, both design-wise and performance. However, that 13.3" after more than 10 years using 15.4" or at least 22" external widescreen monitors .... NO, you don't "get used to it", as a few users of MBA M1 have promoted. It's still another 3 weeks wait for my MBP, ordered in January, but implementing a 100% mobile set-up (whenever necessary) is the objective. For those reasons, including those you mentioned, my choice is well justified.

[@JoeTourist]

I'm very happy with my decision to use the 14" MBP Max. I just turn the Low Power Mode on and leave it there, which still gives me all the power of the Max without the fans or heat. When I need the extra power for intensive work, it's there for me. When I need a bigger screen, my high spec 27" iMac is sitting on my desk, ready to chew through whatever task I throw at it. I'm glad to hear you made your decision on a MBP keeper though...it took me three cancelled orders to finally decide!

[@JerrySchulze]

I placed at least 3 other orders that I cancelled. lol

[@golfnut1982]

Great video Jerry! I have the M1 Pro and I love it! Didn't need the extra power in the Max. Apple gave me almost $1500 for my 2019 16" as a trade.

[@JerrySchulze]

Oh nice!

[@OmarYoussef]

I've been struggling with this decision for the past month or so. After watching about many hours worth of KZbin reviews and trying both of them out for a couple weeks, I'm starting to lean towards the 16 inch. Screen size being the main reason why. I noticed the 14 inch is like you said "whelming" when it comes to screen real estate.

[@JerrySchulze]

lol

[@tomgoss6755]

Jerry, I went hog wild when the M1-Max hit the street and purchased the 16" with 64GB RAM, 1TB SSD, and no extra applications. I also purchased the LAST 16", Intel chip and find it nice but no real comparison with the M1-Max chip. The weight is not an issue with me, as I use both just about everywhere and like you, became accustomed to the size, weight and performance. I really appreciate the longer battery life with the Max vice the Intel processor. I get about 8 hours with the INTEL and over 15 hours with the MAX. like you said, pricy, but when you get the hardware that is custom designed with the OS, you have a winning pair and the lifespan of the MAC over any other PC on the market cannot be beat. I really enjoy my mac's and I just wish that Apple had kept the Touch Bar feature. The Intel model has it where the Max does not. That little "gee wiz" feature is a nice add on that I like, but can live without.

[@AngeAlexiel]

I've always had two Mac , a desktop and a MacBook Pro , and my older MacBook Pro from 2017 was starting to feel sluggish , and same for my iMac with intel. , so I've tried every machine from Apple , at first it was the mini M2 pro , then I switched to a Mac Studio M1 Max, then when the M2 max version was released like 2 months ago I've tried it , and I thought this would be the replacement for my iMac , but then I thought why not buy a MacBook Pro M2 max who can do both , using it as a desktop 90% of the time, and as a laptop for the 10% left , and I'm glad I made this choice , otherwise I would have kept the M2 max Studio for all the ports and cooling , but even if Apple let the M2 max heats up a bit more without the fan spinning ( they start spinning a little when most CPU's are above 100 degrees ( celsius ) . but it not an issue with TG Pro I can push the fan to the max when I encode dozens of video . this things screams . I would have loved it to have an extra thunderbolt 4 port tbh , but I'm happy that magsafe is back , and I love the space gray color ( I wish I could order a midnight color one like the MacBook Air ) personally I was tired a bit of silver for the MacBook Pro ...

[@withoutwroeirs]

Sitting on the fence until a M2 Macbook is out... the 16" is just not portable. Ideally a 15" M2 Macbook would be the sweet spot.

[@adamkowalczyk4953]

Your review help me a lot . Can you tell me what case are you using ? is a good and safe for travel ?

[@JerrySchulze]

I have a really old backpack from 2009 that I still use.

[@hanes2]

16 is too big, it’s like the old 17” now,lol (I have not experienced same heat as upon 14”,prob because I went with m1 pro instead of max)

[@BrownCrowdMusic]

Any particular reason why you prefer the silver over space gray?

[@JerrySchulze]

I think I have just had space gray stuff for too long. Silver just feels new again.

[@adamduchek6509]

Are you still using it and what would you do get the m1 16 or wait till Christmas ?

[@JerrySchulze]

It’s so hard to say when we might see an update. If you need it now you can’t go wrong, especially if you get from apple refurb store.

[@NoGasWelcomeAboard]

I just ordered a brand new but heavily discounted 16” MBP. Why? All configurations are currently $350 off & the 14” to 16” premium is $200. Yes M2 MBP’s are at the door. But rumor is only the processor will change. So next years model will look the same and have a few more horsepower under the hood. However, it will cost hundreds more than this years now discounted model. I’m not a power user so my decision was easy. Your results may vary.

[@JerrySchulze]

@@NoGasWelcomeAboard great price, great decision.

[@forester333]

Great review! I’ve had that 14 vs 16 debate for a while and I currently use a MBP M1 13. I love the thing so much but I realized that I can’t use this thing on its own at all. I’ve been connecting it to external monitors and keyboard and Magic Mouse to feel comfortable with it. The screen size is way to small to do anything productive on it. I elected to order my 16” M1 max 64gb 2TB back in dec 26 and I feel very good about the purchase now. My only regret is that I should have went for the 24 GPU core instead of the 32 Core but over all, can’t wait to get it next month!

[@JerrySchulze]

The wait is the hardest part!

[@Weird_Quests]

What made you want to get the 24 core and not the 32 core?

[@7iomka]

What made you want to get the 24 core and not the 32 core?

[@forester333]

@@Weird_Quests Essentially i don't use it for any film rendering or anything, all music production and the 24 core is sufficient for two external monitors and thats about it. but i'm happy with the 32core as well. althought it is very underused at the moment.

[@Dashomin]

I switch from 16 inch to 14 inch really is not portable for me

[@MarvinCrisostomo_09]

Great Job mate! Love the content

[@JerrySchulze]

Thanks a ton!