I watched another creationist movie - A Matter of Faith | Reacteria

[@RenegadeScienceTeacher]

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[@johnnyblackringo]

I saw this movie a few years back. Me and my friend were lit, but it was hilarious. I couldn't watch it sober.

[@ZER0--]

Ya can't beat a good scarf dude. Loved the review, but where did the girl get the eggs from? And why didn't the bowl head, weirdy beardy boy to give her the coin back that he stole?

[@vestafreyja]

The gang from God Awful Movie did a review of this movie about 5 years ago in episode GAM030.

[@DariusRoland]

Why is Harry Anderson IN this movie?!?!

[@vestafreyja]

@@DariusRoland A few years after Night Court ended Harry Anderson fell in love with a woman who was a Evangelical and she converted him from a rational skeptic into what we see here. In my opinion he stopped thinking with his rational brain and started thinking with his little head. In the process destroyed his career and was relegated to Christian movies.

[@wilhelmschmidt7240]

Being upset that a biology teacher doesn't include bible studies in their curriculum makes as much sense as being upset that the English lit course lacked a section on baking pineapple upsidedown cake.

[@trevorhague6603]

I cannot believe you said that. Cookbooks are a massive part of literary history! How can you possibly understand the depths of cookbooks if you aren't creating the dish!

[@blakksheep736]

​@@trevorhague6603 😆

[@majkus]

Now I have this strange urge to write an Elizabethan sonnet about pineapple upside-down cake. I shall lie down until I feel better.

[@trevorhague6603]

@@majkus yeeeeeessss embrace it and then post it here because I want to read that masterpiece🤣🤣

[@ΘάνατοςΧορτοφάγος]

I only recently found out what upside down pineapple means...did you mean that? 🤔

[@The-Chair516]

The fact that evolution is so poorly explained in this film really shows how it was written by a creationist

[@Aroniyahu]

The content creator of this youtube channel deletes any information proving Intelligent Design.

[@The-Chair516]

@@Aroniyahu You can’t hide something that doesn’t exist

[@Aroniyahu]

@@The-Chair516 Then why does the youtube content creator do everything he can to hide something that exists?

[@chadcy559]

@Aroniyahu bye I've seen several arguments about this in his comment sections, they aren't getting deleted

[@Aroniyahu]

@@chadcy559 What you wrote....is unintelligible.

[@thewillo1317]

What's more Christian than a movie about a young girls journey into adulthood having the climax being two men talk at the viewer

[@KanekiKen-lm1dl]

Two men made her climax ?

[@DrPhilGoode]

I’m here for the “climax”.

[@randoprior4130]

​@@DrPhilGoodeI'm here for the "climax being 2 men."

[@DrPhilGoode]

@@randoprior4130 That’ll work. What’s your name? Nevermind i don’t wanna know

[@ghostsontrains7629]

3 men actually

[@rik80280]

It is so gross the way Rachel was treated. Her feelings and desires were run over by her father and the future boyfriend. Chinstrap disrespected her in every interaction. Her ending up with him makes me feel actually sick. What a marriage that will be.

[@tirusrhokin4588]

"This movie was free on youtube and I still want my money back." Pretty much describes my feelings on any religious propaganda like this.

[@chrissavage1449]

Time is money.

[@wesleyshaffer773]

These movies aren't meant to convince anyone who understands science or has the slightest critical thinking skills, they're meant to keep Jesus Cult Members who are questioning the bs they were taught from "going astray".

[@buchanfoulsham6314]

Yeah it's precious minutes of your only life you're feeling robbed of 😂

[@Aroniyahu]

Religious propaganda, you mean like Evolution, the faith based religion that has taken over the West?

[@Jambuc829]

😂

[@irusia1574]

As a Ukrainian girl, who was raised in a very religious protestant (evangelical) family. When me and my sister were younger our parents often showed us this movie and other American christian movies like "God is not dead" etc And back then those movies appeared to be pretty good to me, I would think like: "wow, this guy just completely destroys evolution! If only atheist watched this movie and listened to his arguments they would all convert to Christianity. And this thing with chicken and egg is so cool and smart!" And now looking at those films again I just realize how cringy and stupid they are, and that those "arguments" can't even be considered arguments, leave alone convince somebody. I started deconstructing my faith about a year ago, ( war became the trigger that made me reconsider my values and beliefs) I'm 18 years old I still live with my family, and I must say that it's not easy, because Christianity is something that I was taught to build my life around, I'm still on this way. I started learning about evolution recently, basically all I was taught about it by my parents was: "those stupid scientists believe that we evolved from chimpanzees, so when they will teach you about this in school don't believe it, you can even get a bad grade for these lessons and we won't be mad at you" so I never took it seriously. And now I am learning from basics and your channel helps me sooo much!!! You explain those things in such a simple language that even me, non native English speaker without much knowledge of the topic can understand it. Keep doing it, please. Just wanted you to know that your channel is very helpful and I'm so happy that I found you ❤😊 (Wow, guys thank you all for your responses and support, that's probably the nicest comment section I've ever been to 🤗 And thank you for recommending other channels on this topic, I know the majority of them already) but some are new to me Thank you again))

[@TacticalAnt420]

I wish you to continue to learn about biology (my favorite science, duh!) and stay safe during these hard times.

[@thomasb7464]

Slava Ukraina!

[@michaelmay5453]

All I can say that I hope you and your family is fine and Slava Ukraini. The fascist Russians will not win.

[@ezbody]

💙💛

[@JD-fx1np]

I admire and congratulate you for your courage. Yes I agree you should keep your deconversion to yourself for your safety. I'm sad you can't discuss this with your parents (maybe in a few years?) but it isn't anyone's fault. You should not feel an ounce of shame. You can still be a loving, caring and supportive daughter, friend and human being without having to believe in Christianity literally while discounting centuries of empirical evidence and science.

[@antiHUMANDesigns]

$10 says the reason all those young women are wearing scarfs (scarves?) is to cover up their chest.

[@MrC0MPUT3R]

That was my very first thought.

[@JamesTaylor-je6es]

Roofs

[@Aencii]

This is the correct answer. It's a staple of far-right fundamentalist Christian wardrobe for exactly that reason.

[@davejones3187]

I never was invited to scarf parties when I went off to college!

[@syst3mwolf]

Scarves. It's true.

[@richarduslul8572]

An Atheist young Boy not accepting Rachels Personal Feelings and boundaries: UNACCEPTABLE A Christian guy and her Dad doing the exact same thing: yeah yeha cool cool

[@UltraPoseidon]

As an actor I can tell you that a lot of the people in this are very blatantly wearing the "I'm just happy I'm in a movie" face and are glad for the paycheck.

[@jeffbaer5851]

Also an actor. Can confirm. There is NOTHING going on behind the eyes for ANY of these characters. Their depth can be measured in nanometers. Hell, even my boy Harry Anderson is completely phoning it in to score some cash as the biggest "star" in the picture.

[@jamesmaybrick2001]

@@jeffbaer5851 Yeah, a bunch of folks needing a paycheck, probably also maintaining SAG membership (thats a thing right?). Its just a shame they could not do something with more integrity. Like, er, Onlyfans.

[@savagesalvage9449]

I hope they were paid. I could see them using the same excuse Mr. Jameson used

[@Dreamline78]

Chief among them, Harry Anderson, probably the most well-known actor in this movie.

[@tekbarrier]

Even the beginning scene at the restaurant where the people are laughing at the "jokes" is so forced and uncomfortable to watch

[@rtvandle]

She really wanted to be a pharmacist so she took one course of biology, none in chemistry, and every other course has nothing to do with this major

[@josiahd4073]

@@blakelandryand? Chemistry is pretty important in pharmacology and is very general.

[@Mike_C-79]

​@@blakelandry you obviously weren't a bio major. And 15 credits first year is not a lot, as he said, since you need 120 to graduate. 8 semesters of 15 credits is normal. You can take less, but usually Freshman do not.

[@TA---]

Right, my first semester for engineering had 3 courses relative to my field, then philosophy of religion for fun, and Literature on Native Americans because our university really pushed that on us. I went in the 2010s so maybe it's changes since then? But all her classes sounded like someone who didn't exceed past highschool...

[@rtvandle]

@@blakelandry my freshman year I took 5 courses in my major and 2 out of that. You usually have to do a minimum number of courses if you want to major in anything, She wouldn't get very far.

[@erismason3441]

I'd have expected chem, bio (both with labs, so like 4-5 credits each), and maybe a class that fulfills a "rounding out" requirement, like history or an art class. Or comp 1. -a pharmacologist

[@williamdowling7718]

"rachel is a model student. Shes always studying. And she's only attended ONE scarf party." Absolute gold.

[@williamdowling7718]

@user-os2gm6hv9l in a world... Where the plague of cold necks has been eradicated.. a sudden scarcity of scarves is leaving many necks "kind of chilly". Can one knitter save the world from chilly necks? Come find out, in theaters memorial day.

[@darkSorceror]

35:32 "That's my best line, that's all I've got" That wasn't the character talking, it was the actor

[@tmtmtlsml]

Either that or the writer was using voice-to-text and he caught someone giving him the side-eye while writing this scene.

[@justinwatson1510]

It was pretty progressive of her dad to expect he to stick to casual sex until her 40s

[@Jack908r]

Slow clap. Well done sir.

[@imveryangryitsnotbutter]

I love using loopholes to stick it to authoritarian pricks.

[@synthetic240]

It's hilarious how few steps it takes to make everything the parents say relate back to their repressive, controlling views of sex. Nobody thinks about kids' genitals and what they're doing with them more than god-botherers. If the goal is to prevent abortions and unexpected pregnancies, they should encourage sex education. Conservatives: plugging their ears and sticking their heads in the sand until the problem blows up in their face and blaming the wrong people because of their silly belief in the supernatural... since forever.

[@roems6396]

😂

[@ashleyspurling5701]

No he expects her to be a virgin til then.

[@Leith_Crowther]

20:30 The accusation that evolutionists just teach stuff from books without critical thought should really be considered a confession.

[@Noname-w7f1e]

Yup! Feels almost as if they are projecting their own mentality onto others…

[@raulhernannavarro1903]

​@@Noname-w7f1eI don't think it's like that. It is more of a tribalism. They are wrong, we are right, they are the bad ones, we are the good ones. They lack critical thinking and science, we have science and critical thinking This is much worse than just projecting. Tribalism is dangerous and destructive and those who are against creationists are no better in this regard. I think that in a few decades we are going to go to a civil war.

[@LoisoPondohva]

Ah yes, I remember it like it was yesterday when on my avian ecology exam the right answer was "As it says in Matthew 6:25-30..."

[@alexnik1181]

They can't even conceptualize non-dogmatic education. They don't know how logic and evidence work, so they think that everybody else must also build beliefs on faith.

[@EmissaryOfStuff]

They're incapable of comprehending any other way of learning something.

[@sntxrrr]

"She publicly humiliated a random stranger because her friends told her to. WTH?" Its because some Christians don't have moral ideals to strive towards but only rules to avoid eternal prison.

[@Nebukanezzer]

So typical and fucked up.

[@TiffanyStarrxxx]

The vast majority of Christians, but I know what you meant.

[@miskatonic6210]

You mean: Christians in the US that emigrated from europe because of their fundamentalism.

[@LoyalServant77]

some, yes. The majority of Christians you speak to are probably in the media and not in society. To the people who don’t follow basic principles such as love thy neighbor as thy self etc. are not Christians. Real Christians are obvious in a way of kindness and loving. We do have moral ideals to strive towards such as be kind when others aren’t. Religion is rules. Christianity is about our relationship with Jesus. To love Him is to know Him. Most Christians don’t know him.

[@TiffanyStarrxxx]

@mandarinablue8438 Most*

[@Stelthily]

You said: “you know what doesn’t make the world smarter? This next scene.” *and then I got an ad for an anime game*

[@Worldswerth]

writer-director Rich Christiano: “Dear God, please grant me the wisdom to write a coherent and provocative movie” God: “no”

[@ghostsontrains7629]

god: i need to show people that you CAN sin while talking about me

[@ElRealPetChicken]

@@ghostsontrains7629 lmao.

[@jeremysmetana8583]

So... Soul Patch stalked this girl for eight years before revealing himself creepily after manipulating her family into this awkward debate? It's amazing to me that the people who make these movies lack the self awareness to see how creepy their Christian protagonists are.

[@brysonoakley1028]

lol that's what i was thinking too

[@skepticofdoom7486]

Yeah that dude was really creepy yet is portrayed as the "good" guy. I wouldn't want that guy anywhere near me or my family.

[@timlong4791]

This is what happens when people who have had all of their potential for critical thinking stamped out since they were old enough to walk into a church try to make a movie.

[@Amy-oh8qb]

In fairness, I don't think he's meant to have realised it was her until her dad told him the story

[@carrie5980]

Chin strap.

[@archmage7813]

We wanted to send her to a good Christian University to protect her from truth and actual education

[@blakksheep736]

😆😆😆😆

[@mrcurly1147]

That must be where they teach the "secret" handshake, using the left hands (@ 3:56). This is so cringy. After watching this movie, you want to go out and F* somebody up! Make them read the bible or something!

[@gnomeDruid]

But SHE wanted to be a pharmacist.

[@ziploc2000]

University is the first opportunity for many new adults to get out from under their parents' wings and discover/develop their own worldview, and what kind of person they want to be. If the Christ-stain parent hasn't managed to put the lasting fear of the monster god of the bible into their kid by age 18, they failed in their mission, but you don't want budget Shaggy doing it for you.

[@joshuahekimian5768]

From my personal experience as one who attended at Christian University, it's not that effective at keeping people in the faith. I would guess 50 percent walk away or become progressive Christians. This is judging from many of the people I'm still in contact with.

[@ritchie6162]

I love that the logic of this show is like supposed to encourage kids to use these arguments in a biology class but any biology professor would laugh in their face.

[@Orsonfoe]

You can say that again. I half wish some one would take a bunch of these thiests who think this sort of thing happens to an actual biology classroom and see how it goes and records the reaction.

[@IncineroarBestPokemon]

Any biology professor would approach them with patience, not laughing at them but rather trying to correct the fundamental misunderstandings those arguments are based on

[@ritchie6162]

@@IncineroarBestPokemon I was being facetious lol. I don’t think a bio prof would actually laugh at a student for having concerns that’s super disrespectful. I mean my bio professor was cool af and he was still a Christian who believed in evolution. He lived for these kinds of questions.

[@mrg1981]

I attended a religious university for 1 year, followed by a public university for 2 years. I was never invited to a scarf party, so I gave up my educational pursuits. Seeing everyone at the scarf parties brought up some very difficult emotions for me.

[@claytonharbaugh308]

Well, that’s cause you went to the wrong schools. I went to a community college for about 2 and a half years, and they had scarf parties every weekend. I never went to them, of course, I had television to watch, but still.

[@pammer12345]

Bwahahaha 😂😂😂

[@karaltar7914]

„The holy scarf is all there ever was and all there ever will be for all the foolish doubters of the holy scarf shallt not know it’s love and burn in the holy scarf fire for all eternity“ The book of Scarf 6:9

[@deliawebster2142]

my condolences you poor thing!

[@ksbhsi51]

One of the saddest things about this is that the professor is played by Harry Anderson, who was the star of the great eighties sitcom "Night Court" and had a reputation for being an excellent stand up comedian/magician. To add insult to injury, this was the final role before his death.

[@synthetic240]

And the first movie he'd been in for years. I can only imagine he'd run out of money and needed the paycheck badly.

[@ksbhsi51]

I hope that's what happened, and it wasn't just a matter of him embracing the message. @@synthetic240

[@gregmark1688]

omg I didn't even recognize him until I read this and here I was just the other day seeing a commercial for the Night Court reboot and wondering how it was possibly going to work without Harry

[@josephbelisle5792]

I noticed that too. It's very sad to see such a great entertainer fall so far.

[@jonathannelson103]

I was gonna say "it's Harry the hat"

[@cinnay99]

The scene with the 100 bucks isn't even fair. The condition was that he let her crack 3 eggs on his head, not actually cracking 3 eggs on his head. It was only about him letting her do it, which is exactly what he did. He fulfilled the condition, she just straight up lied to him.

[@rickkwitkoski1976]

@cinnay99 Yup! Transgression of the 9th commandment... just like so many Krischins do.

[@katinapac-baez5083]

Good point

[@wilhelmschmidt7240]

That's exactly what I thought too. He agreed to the conditions and she owes him $100. Her stopping after 2 just means he would need to allow one more egg to be cracked at some point. But I suppose expecting a Christian movie to be able to include honest behavior or logic would be too much to expect.

[@fomori2]

@@wilhelmschmidt7240 It would not be an apologetic tool if it was honest. Integrity and honesty are the kyrptonites of religion. They need to be avoided at all costs or they will weaken religious dogma.

[@BruceWayne-us3kw]

Who goes out in public carrying 3 raw eggs, anyway?

[@Jace-zs9jk]

The B-plot of the scarves bit should really be the A-plot. We need a movie about a scarf murderer loose in an "evolutionist" college.

[@user-s0m30n3]

“Is she murdering those women for their scarves?” Killed me and I dunno why

[@RobinLionheart]

Killed you like she killed her classmates? 😄

[@wolvie1618]

Oh god did she get you for your scarf? 😰

[@maxpeterson8616]

Given that the girls on campus showed up with scarves later indicates she sought her victims elsewhere.

[@ssaltsorf5708]

Since Forrest decided to be obsessive about women wearing scarves, here's a timestamp list and ongoing count of scarves in this episode: 2:29 9 observable scarves 3:30 6 scarf occasions 3:45 2 scarf spottings 4:52 1 scarf counted 5:47 3 scarves, oddly less than the first class. apparently most people didn't get the memo about being able to pass the class just by showing up 17:56 magnificent note on what the scarf budget is, some rough googling shows that their budget was $600,000, and typically around $5,000 goes into budget for a lower budget movie with no big costumes like this, given that the average cheap scarf costs $10-$15 on amazon, and there are 23 scarves, all the good scarves I found were in the range of $100. This gives us a range of 230-2,300, so possibly half of the estimated budget went into scarves (realistically much less but possibly) 20:03 scarf party once again showing the 6 scarves counted earlier 31:07 Ally/ali/alli/aly I have no idea how to spell her name has murdered 3 scarves as shown in the miniature highlight reel 32:38 1 future victim is shown with what I believe to be a scarf not seen before 33:46 the next eight scarvers have been chosen for the sacrifice, the cult is now beginning to spread 35:15 a large group without scarves, the sacrifice has occurred and a new group must now be chosen 50:50 the next 1 has been selected, the birth of scarf god is nigh 23 scarves given to feed the scarf god in total, we shall see in the sequel: Bible 2: Scarf Jesus Rises Again where this plot point goes

[@IRGeamer]

It's at least helpful to know that the coming christian fascist rebellion will be brought to us by the "Big Scarf" cabal...

[@thefaboo]

Doing the Lord's work good sir. In seriousness, I bet their costumer owned a lot of scarfs and they used them to obscure an otherwise limited costume budget.

[@HTGY6YTH67Y]

Scarfs for the scarf god!

[@KianaWolf]

The movie creators were real knit wits.

[@irrelevant_noob]

Fwiw, imdb says Stephanie Shemanski's character is spelled "Ally." 🧐 PS 50:47*

[@Rising_Pho3nix_23]

Didn't she want to be a pharmacist? Remind me again what happens when you stop taking antibiotics too early? The infection...evolves. And pharmacists are required to tell patients this.

[@ReneeAnnette]

It stays within "species," though which is the young earth creationist loophole. Most of them do believe in "micro" evolution, they just don't believe in "macro" evolution where species change and shift. (I don't know the actual biological terms because I was raised creationist and am still filling huge gaps in my science knowlege. :-/)

[@Rising_Pho3nix_23]

@ReneeAnnette thanks. The best analogy I can give for micro and macro (not scientifically recognized in this context) is a phone. Macro would be like a rotary phone becoming a smartphone. Micro would be like smartphones getting a new version. It's still the same process, though. Gene pools change as selection pressures take place. On small scales, these changes are barely noticeable (you and your parents), but on large scales, they are very different (you and dinosaurs). Scales are measured by generation, not years. When does a dinosaur give birth to a non dinosaur, then? That's the fuzzy line, and we rely on taxonomy for that. I won't pretend to know about that except that it has to do with the ability to reproduce. I would like a clear definition of "kind," especially from those few that don't believe in evolution at all. As one KZbin put it, you don't have to see the entire chain to determine that it is a chain.

[@a1612]

she would be the pharmacist who refuses to hand out birth control or plan B because of her deeply held belief in tinker bell and his human sacrifice son who was actually him. It makes sense to someone in Alabama

[@AtheismActually]

She'll just cure everything by applying spittle-mud on and praying over it. Pharma-Christian in the style of John 9: 1-12.

[@lilyofluck371]

​@@Rising_Pho3nix_23Not to "um akshually" you, but we didn't come from dinosaurs. (Famously dinosaurs all died in the meteor. Kinda hard to make offspring when you're dead lol. We came from the small group of mammals that survived. (it may have actually been a single mammal, but I don't remember it that well. The last time I went to that dinosaur museum that I'm getting this info from was like 5 years ago))

[@smackback1278]

I keep this video in my favorites list and watch it any time I need a pick me up. The line, .."and she's only been to ONE SCARF PARTY!" always cracks me up. Thanks again, Forest!

[@tadity]

so to add on to the sheer grossness of it all, the whole line about how god used rachel as a tool in beard boy's life struck me as particularly disgusting. "yeah, i totally assaulted and stole from you, and that's how i came to jesus. thank you for being the innocent victim that day." just. layers of awful.

[@vaiyt]

Isnt god so nice that he will fuck you over to impart valuable life lessons on someone else?

[@ziploc2000]

That struck me as awful too. The parent witnessed the incident, but did nothing to make things right for the victim. The correct thing to do (as an atheist parent) is to tell your child to return the stolen item and apologize. If they won't, you return it and apologize for them, and further punishment may follow depending on your parenting style. Make things as right as you can for the victim, and teach your child that this behavior is not acceptable. But no, budget Shaggy's parent lets him keep the coin (as far as we are aware), so theft is OK but you got to make it good with Jesus afterwards with some serious kneeling-based god-knob sucking. What a wonderfully ethical lesson to help your child not be a total dick, not.

[@palladin1337]

In all honesty, once you strip away a lot of the grandstanding and fancy phrases, a decent amount of this religion is built around justifying abusive relations. To me, that is likely the entire reason the character of 'Satan' was invented in the first place (he didn't exist before a certain point in the religion, no matter how they try to claim otherwise). It's not enough to have flowery promises of a 'better place,' so they created this big, nebulous evil god to scare people into staying. It's also why a lot of the loudest 'preachers' are constantly demonizing things they don't like, because at this point the 'threat' of 'eternal damnation' isn't enough on its own anymore.

[@cpt.hatemonger1950]

​@@ziploc2000That all sounds about right, but please don't be an 'atheist parent' (which I trust you'll understand is different than just a parent who is an atheist).

[@ajdean2974]

​@ziploc2000 lol, that pretty much seems like what the proper Christian response should be, too "we don't steal things from other people, and we treat them how we want to be treated". This movie is just bonkers, even for someone raised as a christain

[@Deioth]

All I can think when these movies happen is "Thou shalt not bear false witness" SO damn amazing how dishonest these kinds of people can be.

[@zogar8526]

There are two different places where there are commandments listed that could be considered the 10, kind of. And there are different translations of them. But for the most part it is agreed that one is literally just about bearing false witness in the court of law, or the equivalent they had then. It isn't saying anything about not lying in general. So, while I do love throwing their hypocrisy in their faces, this is a case where there really isn't any. They are allowed to lie as much as they want, as long as it isn't in a court.

[@Deioth]

@@zogar8526 lmao even more reason to give them a ten ton middle finger, then. If it is ok to lie for God, then who are you really lying for? If God is supposed to be truth and goodness, he wouldn't require lies. Were I a believer, I'd consider such people taken by Satan.

[@zogar8526]

@Deioth lying happens in life, so I get why there isn't a direct thing against it. But as you said, lying for God isn't a good look in anyway. When you have to lie to support your position, it only shows just how weak it is.

[@Leith_Crowther]

@@zogar8526In addition, the phrase “against thy neighbor” suggests this only applies to Israelites; lying in court about outsiders is fine.

[@ScottDCS]

Golden Crocoduck candidate?

[@tomduckworth6430]

Hang on, that last scene. He reveals that his dad saw him take something, scolded him about it, but didn’t make him return it and apologize. Guess the professors aren’t the only bad teachers in this movie.

[@John.0z]

I thought that too, so they were not the worst role models either.

[@joshshultz1250]

hey free money is free money

[@jesterc.6763]

If you ever feel useless, just remind your self that this movie exists

[@Aroniyahu]

The content creator of this youtube channel deletes any information proving Intelligent Design.

[@jesterc.6763]

@Aroniyahu i highly doubt it. Intelligent design has been around for 2000 years and has given us no knowledge about the true nature of reality. If intelligent design is the case, then the truth has nothing to fear from investigation.

[@Aroniyahu]

@@jesterc.6763 I am sorry for your ignorance. ID gave us all that evolutionists claim evolution gave us.

[@Aroniyahu]

@@jesterc.6763 You are aware, yes?, that most of science's findings are attributed toand discovered by theists.

[@Aroniyahu]

@@jesterc.6763 You are aware,yes?, that theists are responsible for 90% of science's discoveries, yes?

[@chrislefler7173]

My biggest regret about not attending a traditional 4 year university is that I never got to experience a scarf party.

[@camicawber]

Think how I feel. I did attend a traditional 4-year university, yet also never experienced a scarf party. I thought I had friends. I thought people liked me. But...no scarf party. I didn't even know they existed.

[@Junosensei]

I attended a scarf party once! Someone actually brought in so many that I swear we were _up to our necks_ in them. Why would you _knit_ so many scarves for a birthday party? But then I remembered, it's a scarf party, _knot_ a birthday party! Of course there were scarves there! In fact, they were just _warming us up_ for the real _twist:_ Everyone died. The end. Sorry. I ran out of scarf puns and had to _wrap_ it up. ):

[@captainhoratiobungleiii7147]

You needed to go in the early 00s. That was their prime time. I had several of my own scarves.

[@yoshi6421]

​@@camicawber I'm sorry you had to realize this way. Must be devastating.

[@camicawber]

​@@yoshi6421 Yeah, I'm going to need some privacy at this difficult time. But I'm definitely going to my next reunion just to yell, "YOU LIED TO ME!!!" to all my so-called friends.

[@l4dfanatic11]

the delivery on "dear glob somebody stop him he's DOING HIS JOB!!" was stellar, more humor and emotion in that line alone than in the entire movie...

[@nearby_emu4181]

science STILL can't explain where my Christmas presents came from. let me guess, charles darwin EVOLVED down my chimney? Did he "naturally select" which plate of milk and cookies to eat? not likely.

[@joecoolioness6399]

Can't tell if you are for real or just trying for the stupidest comment on this video award.

[@nearby_emu4181]

@@joecoolioness6399 Santa deniers still seething, they'll never know.

[@Swedishmafia101MemeCorporation]

Charles Darwin has a STRIKINGLY similar appearance to most depictions of Santa Claus. COINCIDENCE??? I think not.

[@billwilliamson1506]

I’ve never seen Charles Darwin and Santa in the same room, completely plausible to me

[@Pryderi_]

⁠@@billwilliamson1506​​⁠​⁠ aww do you still believe Charles Darwin is real? How cute

[@NitroIndigo]

Have you noticed how quickly creationists go from "creation should be taught as an alternative to evolution" to "evolution is a religion and shouldn't be in schools" to "creation alone should be taught in schools"?

[@iantaakalla8180]

The classic foot in the door technique

[@crooked9210]

"Evolution" seems to be used as a catch-all phrase for anything creationists don't understand

[@williamchamberlain2263]

Which is a lot

[@CriminalApes]

Soon Evolution and Woke will become one word and, since we know how words work via the Bible, it will take on a sentience and become the greatest villain ever known: Wokelution!

[@jacobostapowicz8188]

As a creationist, i totally understand evolution theory. The lie is in "selection pressure",, as there are absolutely zero 'pressures' in existence driving evolutionary macro changes. They tricked you with 'science' And phrases you just accept. What kind of pressure can make a species change its DNA to survive, when any species can either migrate or die and go extict? Its based on magic and appeals to coincidences.

[@davidwatson2399]

​@@jacobostapowicz8188 No You have no understanding of evolution

[@mactallica9293]

@jacobostapowicz8188 "And phrases you just accept" as you copy and paste talking points. We have witnessed species change due to pressure in our life. Yes, some species don't make it, that does nothing to dispute evolution in any way. Now, why can't you guys provide a single shred of evidence for your god?

[@beetlesquish]

Religious people be like: I was told to think uncritically and just regurgitate what I was told, so the science community must be doing the same thing.

[@taskforce_frog]

That just extremists in general

[@knicksfule]

Nailed it

[@fleshanthos]

They're just so abysmally fucking STUPID. AND they can vote!?!

[@twocheezitz9182]

Lmfao

[@rocketsurgeon1746]

stop being ignorant and actually listen to the other side

[@ST0IC]

2-minutes of silence for the brain cells that Forrest lost while he was watching this movie for our entertainment 💀

[@arbjful]

But he evolved and this is what matters

[@SmokeMeth-us7qs]

One minute for each brain cell

[@jacobfreeman313]

Pressing 'F' to pay respects.

[@RealHooksy]

He certainly took one for the team.

[@ZERO_O7X]

Propaganda movies like this are pure sandpaper for your brain. Guaranteed to smooth it down to a glass smooth surface. 😂

[@chi_pucca_chi]

Chinstrap bowlcut man is the creepiest man I’ve ever seen, his smile makes me physically recoil

[@mafiacat88]

When I was in university taking a microbiology class, I DID actually have a fellow student try and argue with the prof over creationism and evolution. Just like in these movies. It did not go like it does in these movies. The class did not clap, and we got right back to the lesson once the prof (politely) shut down the weird religious dude. There absolutely is a place for that conversation-but it's not there. Also off topic, but I mean to be fair if I was seeing a girl and she decided we had to stop seeing each other because god said so...I'd feel like I dodged a bullet. I'm not saying I'm against seeing people of other faiths-people of differing beliefs can absolutely get along. But then there's the weird ones who are WAAAAY to into it.

[@silveryfeather208]

The only place for this is debate class of some sort. I had a debate class, well, philosophy class. and it's fine. Science class is not religion class. Neither is math class. etc.

[@mafiacat88]

@@silveryfeather208 Exactly! It's a super interesting topic, and the differing viewpoints can be incredibly fun to explore (with someone who isn't a dismissive dick). I'm always down to talk about those things with people; but like how I wouldn't go into a church and start calling bullshit-because it would be rude to do so-I would appreciate the same courtesy in a science class.

[@thoughtfuldevil6069]

I hate how the main girl has essentially no autonomy throughthis whole thing. She doesn't do the debate, she doesn't hijack the debate, she's just.....there.

[@wasssyup]

They needed a "weak" female scapegoat that became strongwilled on her religious position by 2 know it better no boundary having men. Otherwise it would be too obvious this movie is strictly about god.

[@skeletonwar4445]

Yeah how incredibly fitting that the finale of the movie about this girl is two men who think they know what's best for her talk about it.

[@benjamindavey4782]

It's incredibly problematic, as if women are just an extension of their father's/boyfriend's/professor's egos.

[@MelancoliaI]

Godly women are called to obey the men the Lord brings into their lives to shepherd them.

[@thoughtfuldevil6069]

@@MelancoliaI I can't tell if you mean that sincerely or not.

[@strings2864]

“Just attend this class and you’ll get a C” is a terrible policy for a college level biology course

[@Kleineganz]

True, but would be very in line with how Harry ran his courtroom on Night Court. 😅

[@nukethetunaxiii]

Yep, but that's the point for this movie, ain't it? They don't want you to think that someone with a college degree put in effort or studied or learned with any sort of rigor or standard, just that they were indoctrinated with surface level arguments by arrogant blowhard professors reciting textbook dogma. Good ol' anti-intellectualism snuck into this religious movie.

[@Qwkynuf]

Not really. I once took a computer programming class where the professor started the class by saying "I am not your dad, I am not the GPA police, I am your instructor. Every one of you PAID to be in this room. I don't care if you pay attention. I don't care if you do the work. I get paid the same either way. I only ask one thing - If you plan to spend the entire class watching Britney Spears videos on your computer, go ahead. Just please sit in the back row so that the students who are trying to LEARN something won't be distracted by her gyrations." The students paid to be there, the content will be presented whether they pay attention or not. If they just show up (and nothing else), there is still a small chance that some knowledge could leak in...

[@CanItAlready]

​@@QwkynufThat's not the same a giving students a passing grade simply for keeping a seat warm.

[@mika628]

​@@Qwkynufthat's not giving undeserving students a passing grade. That's telling students that they are free to waste a thousand dollars on the class by failing and having to retake it because they decided to watch Britney spears the whole time.

[@prettyevil6662000]

I'm fascinated by what Rachel's dad thought she was going to learn by majoring in biology... did he never ask her what she was interested in? Did she never once talk about biology before getting to college? 32:55 This is hilarious. I understand they're supposed to be talking about sex, but the movie is so scared of saying it out loud that the convo chinstrap hears is actually just two guys discussing their third friend having a crush on a girl because she's cute, as most crushes are about, and his plan to ask her out. And he treats that as something she needs warned about.

[@Nick.Knows.Nothing]

Forrest is not only a brilliant educator, he's also a hilarious film critic. I give you two evolved-from-apes opposable thumbs up

[@Distant_View]

We didn't evolve from apes, humans and apes share a common ape-like ancestor.

[@imveryangryitsnotbutter]

We haven't actually finished evolving from apes yet, but the singularity is coming, so we should be transitioning to our new cybernetic forms soon.

[@sanguillotine]

@@Distant_Viewwe literally are apes!

[@dancingnature]

@DistantView, humans ARE great apes !

[@Nick.Knows.Nothing]

Thanks for the corrections!

[@HowToTrainYourDuncan]

In case it was driving anyone else nuts: Egg Boy looks familiar because he also played young Kreese in “Cobra Kai.” Which, despite taking place in a world where massive karate gang wars break out every 5 minutes and life-altering injuries can be healed through the power of Twisted Sister, is somehow STILL a more grounded and realistic show than whatever the hell this is.

[@christiandauz3742]

There are Real Life consenquences to Karate Kid/Cobra Kai Kreese's time in Vietnam made him a monster he never wanted to be Miyagi almost lost himself when his family died. Daniel and his daughter rekindled his hope and humanity Johnny having the wrong mentor literally set his life back by DECADES. But he peservere and got back his humanity

[@mrflufflebunny4529]

Thank you!!!

[@Q-SWIZZZY]

The biology teacher is 100% a preacher irl. The way he talks and moves during the debate is SUCH a sermon. Like, why did he leave his podium and approach the dad like that? His cadence was just so preachy lmao

[@jaybirdjargon]

Harry Anderson was a comedian and actor. The fact this was his last film was absolutely sad.

[@Q-SWIZZZY]

@user-dy4kk9ob8p ahhh damn dude, that sucks. The whole film seemed so low grade I couldn't tell if any single person had acted before lol

[@truefanforum3273]

​@@Q-SWIZZZY Not only that, but the former professor the dad talks to played Trivette in the original Walker, Texas Ranger TV series, and was the nerdy crook in the first Die Hard movie. As for everyone else, who knows and who cares?

[@Oswlek]

It's Harry Anderson, at one point he was a well respected actor and a decent magician.

[@KellyDVance]

​@@jaybirdjargonfrom Night Court?! Damn! What a fall.

[@operating]

“But you know what doesn’t make the world smarter? This next scene.” ..” but what you do need to take seriously, is this di..!” I love it. Forrest, your humor is awesome.

[@phillyphakename1255]

"God is not the null hypothesis" pretty much debunks my logic for the first 18 years of my life.

[@kateemma22]

"She gets up from her table and just straight up bullies a dude." This is not an exaggeration. This is nasty. AND SHE'S SUPPOSED TO BE THE STORY'S HERO.

[@wolvie1618]

Not to mention how inaccurate it is. College students rarely if ever bully anyone, especially like that. That's some childish middle school shit right there. Ain't no way your average adult student would be doing that, they're too focused on the essays due that week and the shitty job they gotta go to after class.

[@Ziobbe]

​@@wolvie1618The emotional maturity of a middle schooler is mandatory to have the persecution complex necessary to make this movie (it may also interest you to know that an NPD diagnosis includes this sort of emotional immaturity and the belief that they are entitled to bully people even as adults). Not that people with NPD deserve any less respect than anyone else, but be aware that their condition can drive them to act out in (self)-destructive ways such as these movies, and it's probably better to not engage with them.

[@prettyevil6662000]

@@wolvie1618 Also not how anyone else would react to that bullying. Anyone who made that deal and backed out would be actually ostracized for being a jerk the next day. Bragging about wealth, bullying and backing out of deals is the quick path to no friends in college.

[@noone3216]

Well technically by bible standards she's a side character or a catalyst at best, being a woman and all. The real protagonists are the dad and all the other fine upstanding Christian men in the movie. Thank glob she has them to lead her around by the nose and take control of her life for her.. 🙄😑

[@PaulThomsen1E]

Just a theory: scarfs are a great way to obscure breasts. You might also notice that all the women in the movie wear high-top shirts or even turtlenecks. If I were a conservative Christian, such solutions might be ideal. Similar to Arabic traditions.

[@TheFirefishe]

I’m guessing that this is the REAL REASON for the scarves 🧣. However, this makes no sense with regard to the locations worn. Modern college women are some of the least dressed people imaginable. Club wear is designed to be sexy, but also serves to permit the skin to breathe, especially when one is dancing with 300 other people in the room. Now, a freshmen’s get-together might be bit more modest, but not at a public university as portrayed in the movie. I see nothing but psychological “modesty projection” and can’t help but feel a church pastor’s wife had an input for the costumes worn by the college women. If all those gals weren’t from the same cult-err, church- women’s group, I’d be surprised.

[@miglek9613]

This movie was also made in 2014, when wearing scarves with tshirts was still in style (I actually remember girls in my middle school doing that)

[@cobrasys]

I think you're 100% correct in that assessment.

[@GreyDingo]

Yeah, because boobs bad. 🙄

[@charisma-hornum-fries]

Unless you live in the northern part of the world. Both are fantastic in the winter there. 😅😂

[@guitardude125]

"This goes against everything else we have taught her" "Sir I am a biologist teaching biology. I apologize if reality doesn't match your perception of it. Your misunderstanding of reality will not effect the facts that I will be teaching" Roll credits

[@lynn9822]

This whole movie is actually terrifying to watch as someone who came from that environment. Even into your adulthood, trying to leave and live your own life, they follow you, they remind you what they say you believe, they bring it to you over and over so you are never for one moment in an environment not colored by the mental confines. Rachel deserved better, she deserved the ability to think for herself and either deconstruct and go back to Christianity or leave the faith. But then, there'd be the option she does leave, and that can't be allowed. You will never escape far enough.

[@ND-nr6mx]

Like many of us, she went off to college and was exposed to new ideas that challenged her beliefs. Unfortunately, her dad caught wind of this and personally made sure to destroy any chance of her having a social life or escaping indoctrination.

[@SeamusCameron]

You can always take the tryhard road of going low/no contact with the abusive ones while becoming reasonably well read in theology, biology, astronomy, and physics to at least have interesting conversations with the more pro-social fam without them shaking your confidence. Sometimes the cord just has to be cut to live a more fulfilling life though. If they're going to be overbearing they can be overbearing far away from me, ya know? Their controlling behaviour ain't your fault, that's their own damage.

[@chloetabohakanema9459]

this comment describes perfectly what happened to me, my mom found out I was atheist about two years ago, we had our arguments and discussions and eventually there was some semblance of peace between us and she accepted that I would not be rejoining the church, literally a few weeks ago, I got ambushed by her and my sister with them telling me I am lost and why I listen to atheist programs instead of religious to find out the truth... The only answer I had for her is because I don't like being limited and confined in my exploration of life and existence...

[@diarmuidkuhle8181]

This to me was always a red flag with religion. If you have to constantly ensure somebody isn't exposed to ideas outside of one specific doctrine, that means you don't have the answers you say you do. If there was one single divine 'truth' every doubt and every question would inevitably lead you back to confirmation of that truth. It would be unassailable and no rational person would ever become an atheist, or at least not stay one for long.

[@franklindcottrell]

I always love that they say its a university level science class, and then it's actually more like a highschool introductory class.

[@phillyphakename1255]

I like to call it "freshman" level class. There's a certain amount of remedial high school that is baked into every 101 class, math, engineering, science, English, everything. To a certain extent, the intro classes aren't all that different between high school and early early college.

[@hancocki]

And why is the professor even humouring daddy on the content of the courses his adult daughter is taking.

[@phillyphakename1255]

@@hancocki that aspect doesn't bother me much. The execution does, the concept doesn't. In the modern college world, parents are an important stakeholder, they're the ones footing the bill. They have influence on the student in terms of which college to go to, which major to take, etc. From the perspective of the college and their representatives, keeping parents happy is important. A good professor would respond like Forrest, displaying their competence, offering good career advice, commending the student's performance, and encouraging the parent to allow independence for the student. And this isn't a hypothetical. Go to a recruiting megaday at your local university, and you'll see this exact exchange go down for prospective students, and competent professors, recruiters, and student ambassadors responding aptly. You can take the critiques seriously, while still responding professionally. This movie wasn't that.

[@ew4316]

@@phillyphakename1255yea but in the real world FERPA exists, the professor telling the dad how well his daughter was doing in the class (without daughters consent) would definitely be a violation.

[@mariabasile9961]

It's like an alien AI tried to write a college movie. "Ah yes, we sent our daughter to 'The university' to study 'government'and 'biology' to become a pharmacist.

[@thisisntmybirthname]

“She’s a model student who is always studying, and has only been to one scarf party”. Literally had me loling. Then, I loled so hard at the “I am a man who failed biology”. So many times I laughed. Well done, keep them coming.

[@samuelbrown3405]

​@rboland2173or showing a kid tearing their hair out in frustration over organic chem in the corner while their food gets cold. Followed a half hour later by the same kid faceplanted on a table that's still sticky from stir fry, resigned to exhaustion and frustration.

[@ceres090]

This movie is about a young woman trying to pass her biology class and every man in her life getting in her way. Including her biology teacher

[@damejanea.macdonald2371]

I really appreciated the scarf report. It was the highlight of the movie.

[@Leith_Crowther]

Everyone knows that women, and only women, wear scarves every day during the months of August and September, but as the weather gets colder fewer scarves will be worn.

[@Moonshine_Victory]

Idk why but I love Forrest's obsession with the amount of scarves in this film haha

[@ZERO_O7X]

They must have raided both Stephen Tyler's and Johnny Depp's closets to find that many scarves! 🧣😂

[@JamesTaylor-je6es]

Yes! That dancing observation at the beginning had me sideways.

[@Q3ToPBuZz]

You have to remember the target audience is people who think the Earth is 6000 years old.

[@WitchidWitchid]

I think the earth is only 6 seconds old. Everything prior to that is just an illusion.

[@skeletonwar4445]

​@@WitchidWitchidThe earth is actually as old as me, because reality is limited to my own personal experience.

[@brandonman1315]

@@skeletonwar4445your parents are aliens

[@MegaGoaty3895]

i don’t think the earth is real

[@arpysystems]

Computer! Exit!

[@chloeshowalter3728]

As a college professor it’s important to note that professors are not allowed to discuss how their students are doing with their parents because the students are adults and we as professors cannot disclose information about them to anyone, including parents. We have to have consent in person with the student present to talk about anything regarding the student.

[@randoprior4130]

32:00 - 32:24 actually got a belly laugh out of me! The confident and smug, "Im a guy who failed biology" and "I WAS DEFENDING YOUR HOT DAD!" absolutely killed me!

[@a1612]

(hot dad) how terribly sin full

[@mgaus]

​@@a1612lusty 😂

[@realhuman8305]

I love that in the following scene, when bowlcut is eavesdropping, Forrest had to point out a scarf 😂

[@siobhangraham7280]

That part where you talked about labs is so true. I have a degree in physics - in a two semester lab class, I and all the other students in it replicated a dozen of the most famous foundational experiments from the past 200 years of physics. And every time, the results we obtained confirmed the theories - over and over.

[@phillyphakename1255]

Engineering, we run the analysis for historical bridge failures, we build and characterize transistors, we create computer vision programs that are the building blocks for self driving cars. Every field of science's education is built on replicating the work of the past, because you not only learn, but can know deep down that it works and how it works. It's a completely foreign concept to apply to religious teaching.

[@Link-dx1lx]

I did 5 and a half semesters of physics (dropped out, it was a whole thing, but that's irrelevant) and we had lab class every semester. It was really cool actually to replicate the kinds of experiments that led people in the past to new discoveries

[@Skywarped33]

I low-key find it so funny how Christians movies almost always have a bunch of women in scarfs no matter what the setting. It's most likely because the outfits they wore probably had a v-neck that "went to low" for a christian movie, and the director told them to cover up 😂😂😅

[@joecoolioness6399]

If god didn't want men leering at boobs why did he make them so appealing?

[@4dojo]

I love how Forrest points out every scarf he sees. I don’t know why, but I love it.

[@TrevorWeissman]

As a former biology major, I can tell these people have never stepped foot in a higher education biology class.

[@TrevorWeissman]

As a Christian, I can say confidently that I fully support Forrest Valkai... and yes, I accept the theory of Evolution. Cant wait to see what is to come in 2024!

[@samuelbrown3405]

​@@TrevorWeissmanthen you don't believe the bible is true.

[@skeletonwar4445]

​@@samuelbrown3405The bible doesn't need to be an infallible and literal truth to teach worthwhile lessons.

[@ACharmedEarthling]

​@@TrevorWeissman Explain how that doesn't make you an intellectually dishonest hypocrite.

[@emailvonsour]

set foot

[@Gildedmuse]

"[Rachel] is a model student, she's always studying, and she's only been to one scarf party." I would like to submit a complaint to HR. I feel like our biology professor is coming to our parties and counting the number of scarves. And it's making me uncomfortable.

[@MrLazEBones]

This movie's "debate" about evolution is like the cinematic equivalent of someone going "If ppl come from monke, y still monke? *smug redditor face*". of course ending with "and then everyone clapped." Also gotta love "Anything technical he says, I have a rebuttal, but we don't NEED to get into that so don't worry about it, just believe that I have a rebuttal." Literally just... "I already won"

[@randomaxe662]

He said something like "I don't want to bore you with facts., it's all about faith." But it's a university, you're suppose to "bore" people with facts!

[@John.0z]

@@randomaxe662 I think that means you could have written a better script.

[@repelsteeltje90]

​@@John.0zNo, it doesn't

[@NopeNaw]

Saying "cinematic" in reference to this movie is doing it a massive favour it doesn't deserve.

[@cobrasys]

@@John.0z To be fair, one of our "ape ancestors" could have probably written a better script...

[@bordaz1]

This movie has everything: Anakin "eggboy" Skywalker, awkward editing, Pastor Eric Roberts, young Ken Ham, Paris Scarf Week, and...the judge from Night Court!

[@yolandaponkers1581]

This is why public higher education is so crucial. Kids can get away from their closed-minded families and their crummy, backwards hometowns and discover that they’ve been fed baseless propaganda their whole lives.

[@TheLetterJ-c8n]

Yeah like men can be women!

[@joanabug4479]

@@TheLetterJ-c8n This reply is at the same level of seriousness as "but what you do need to take seriously,... is this di- "... except it's not even funny

[@TheLetterJ-c8n]

@@joanabug4479 Isn't this what the current societal standard headed towards? Ignore your biology and embrace your feelings. If you seriously think you can run a society like that than we will never have common ground.

[@rickwrites2612]

​​​​@@TheLetterJ-c8n Lol youre about 80 yrs behind. And there have been studies for decades that show the biological basis of transsexuals brains with or without hormones, . Yes we can alter biology that is the entire basis of medicine. Not just sex characteristics that's old hat since ww2 ( and transsexuals were actually required to use the bathroom of their transition sex in order to be approved for hormones until 21st century). Weve been running that society for nearly 100 yrs, this is the real red pill (in fact the entire red pill concept was invented by trans ppl as a metaphor for being trans ROFLMAO) But in fact from the invention of fire we have been engaged on a species wide effort to liberate ourselves from biology. But we are altering biology in a great many ways more cutting edge than gender. Thats mid 20th century. You'd be amazed what we can do. Robots made of cell cultures of nerves "head cheese" that make brainless decisions. Computers fueled by bacteria. This is the problem with conservatives and why they always fail and lose culture. They're always late to the party, because they never find out about anything until its already been debated to death, studied, and become assimilated. Only then do they even know about it. Its inherent to it. In fact gender was destined to stop being very meaningful due to the industrial revolution. Because only agricultural societies reward having more than a few offspring. Both in societies that occur before (hunter gatherers) and after (technology) farm based society, gender was egalitarian and roles are fluid and pragmatic based on individuals. But you're changing the subject. The truth is even without high school, there is a Huge attrition rate among evolution deniers, because people have access to all the worlds information now and reject it as adults. Evangelicals are a sick twisted cult secretly led by Evil, if anyone is. Denying evolution is not a prerequisite or norm in religion or Christianity. Nor does evolution claim there is no God. In fact its only whacky Evangelicals who seem to have a problem with science. Mainline Protestants, Catholics, Eastern Orthodox accept science and evolution without it threatening their faith. As well as Conservative and Reform Jews.

[@Alltime2050]

@@TheLetterJ-c8n Stop obsessing over other people's sexuality. It's creepy.

[@MadameCirce]

Sad to see this was Harry Anderson's last role. I have so many childhood memories of that dude from his work as a magician, Cheers & Night Court, the It miniseries... he was always somewhere on tv when I was a kid. Please tell me this was just a mortgage payment, because my brain can't comprehend a magician/illusionist who isn't a scientifically-minded skeptic.

[@CaptFoster5]

Yeah, this 53 year old had the very same thought ...

[@bskec2177]

I didn't even recognize him until you mentioned it. I'm just so disappointed. To the point of that Kevin Sorbo meme yelling "disappointed" to the sky. For an actor, this kind of work is lower than doing porn. You make some bucks, but you never get to come back from this. And if you had done the porn, you probably would have made a little more money doing it.

[@CaptFoster5]

@bskec2177 porn at least, is morally and ethically just because it's almost always between two consenting adults. Unlike religion, which forces itself and thus preys upon the young to survive.

[@lnsflare1]

​@@CaptFoster5I mean, there's not an inconsiderate amount of abuse, discrimination, and flat out human trafficking in the porn industry, but if someone like Harry Anderson was doing it for a paycheck, he's unlikely to end up in those circles.

[@blueredingreen]

The heart of skepticism is accepting that everyone has their rational blindspots, and questioning everything you believe, consistently and without preference. You can be a scientist, or a magician, or someone who knows all theory about logic and fallacies, etc, but none of that makes you a skeptic. All those things do is shine a light on a few things, while other things may remain in the dark, and it's possible to not pay that much attention to what's being illuminated (although that might not always be easy). Skeptics can also stop being skeptical. Basically what I'm saying is that it's not that surprising, for anyone. Although young-Earth creationism would be a long way to fall.

[@Scrimmified]

Went to a christian school for 13 years, been away from it for 6, and today was the first day I've ever heard the word 'abiogenesis'. That concerned me more than anything in this movie did.

[@johnroemeeks]

So it's the first time you heard the term Abiogenesis? Christians don't hide that term, we know what evolutionists believe. The problem is there is no evidence for Abiogenesis. NONE!! We actually have a law of Biogenesis that says life only comes from life. So if we do true science, and not make up imaginary stories that we have no evidence to support, we see that Abiogenesis has no science to support it. If you believe that lightning struck some water and created DNA, the most advanced digital code in the world that we know of, with workers that all work together to copy the code, check for mistakes, machines that read the code and builds chains of building blocks, and then machines that fold the protein into the right shape, and electric motors, ATP synthase, with a rotor and stator, that creates the energy needed for the cell, of you think all that happened because some lightning struck some water, you need your head checked. It's not possible, but besides that lightning can not create life, lightning would obliterate any potential cellular life. And they have zero evidence to support it, yet they believe it. That takes alot more faith than to believe an intelligent mind created it. So now that you know the term "Abiogenesis", how does the prove lightning struck water and created the most advanced digital code with instructions to build life and also the machines that must read the code and build the proteins?

[@MegaGoaty3895]

oh my…but it’ll be ok. you are here at this channel, you’re on the path to learning!!

[@joshuaa7266]

I had a similar experience myself. I didn't get a good explanation of what evolution even was in my entire grade school life. The textbook I was given literally used the watchmaker argument. When I made it to college and the teacher discussed the topic of evolution, I found it actually wasn't as complicated as I had been led to believe. I'd highly recommend finding resources to get a general understanding of the topics, just so you can understand what the subjects actually say for yourself.

[@actionsub]

@@joshuaa7266 And for that matter, the "you've never seen God, so why do you believe?" argument wasn't the "mic drop" destruction of creationism the film made it appear. Despite fossil records, etc., we've never seen the intermediary species on which the theory of evolution rests, either. This movie was preaching to the choir. Even the "deus ex machina" former professor really didn't give any cogent arguments for creationism.

[@bluegillboystv494]

When you jump scared yourself with that scarf on I about fell of my chair laughing 😂

[@benjamingibbs2344]

"She's a model student, she's always studying, and she's only ever been to one scarf party." Lol Bruh 😂😂😂 You got me good.

[@JustAGun_]

This is just my personal theory as a person who grew up in a cult: There's probably so many scarves in this movie because they wanted to cover up the women that they thought had low cut shirts, because some of these people have to be extras that didn't know what they were getting into so they just showed up and the director went oh we can't let you have a v-neck that's too revealing! For context we (girls) weren't allowed to wear sleeveless shirts to school because *that* was too revealing...

[@benapeh854]

"A WOMAN'S BODY, OH THE HORROR!!!!"

[@JustAGun_]

@benapeh854 actually it's more the vibe of, men can't possibly be expected to control themselves if they see even an inch of skin. Which is very gross and puts all the blame on women for just existing

[@RoyalGuardEziode]

That's likely it

[@marianesreis]

I’m also an ex cult member and this is a strong theory, friend! 👏

[@wolvie1618]

Honestly you're probably right. Everyone is dressed super modestly, ffs the protag had on a turtleneck, how often do you see real people wear those?

[@GaymerJenn]

This is the best Reacteria yet and I love your rainbow scarf. 💜🌈

[@jeanhind8198]

"May I dialogue with you for a moment?". !! Who on earth wrote this script?

[@biigsmokee]

Dr. K

[@noone3216]

If the line was said by a 10 year old I would've guessed maybe M Night ?🤷‍♂️

[@dannil9878]

Inspired by God

[@JenniSeven7]

It strikes me that most professors would see the dad as a meddling parent trying to control his adult daughter and would attempt to protect her by discouraging him from spending any time on campus. Instead, he lumps her together with her dad when he publicly embarrasses her even though she's done nothing to indicate that she shares his view. Yet another Christian movie that wants teens to think they will be persecuted in secular college even if they keep their heads down. The idea that you'll be "sniffed out" as a Christian and harassed is a popular theme.

[@drewgoin8849]

But the War on Christmas is real! I saw red cups at Starbucks once.

[@Somebodyelse141]

That's interesting. I wondered how a situation like that would go. My mom threatened to come up to my college campus a few times

[@Aroniyahu]

As opposed to the scientific community doing everything it can to sniff out christians and fire them, so that the scientific community is "whole" and a farce?

[@cyndrift]

I feel like this makes sense if you interpret it as them projecting evangelism onto academia. the stereotypical american christian fundie spaces are, among other things, quite prejudiced towards anyone they consider an outgroup, judgmental, meddlesome, and highly dogmatic. they believe academia must be a space where people hate the people who believe differently from them, shame and look down on dissenters in their midst, and shut down any questions that might poke holes in their worldview, because that's how they keep their beliefs alive. It's also in fundies' best interest to paint them as such because it's much easier to say it's all indoctrination or devil worship or whatever, than to try to contend with the idea that people who are more informed than you on a certain topic all came to a similar conclusion, suggesting some veracity, which doesn't resemble your "divinely inspired" one.

[@noone3216]

Christians have a fetish with the idea of being persecuted, to the point where they imagine it even if it's not there. Pretty sure they get tight in the pants over the idea of being a martyr

[@Kno_Buddy]

As a 31 year old who has only ever taken general study biology classes in my life I can easily teach a biology class infinitely better than this supposed professor who has been teaching it at a college level for decades.

[@arbjful]

This happens when you teach the same subject for decades, basically you get a blinkered view as the years roll on

[@Kno_Buddy]

@@arbjful not anything like this “professor”.

[@ultragalacticgamer7195]

Are you saying the person who made the video this man is responding too is a biology professor? If so, thats interesting but I disagree with your completely arrogant position that YOU must be better cause he made a video on the internet that was heavily simplified and had a condescending tone

[@Kno_Buddy]

@@ultragalacticgamer7195 I was making a joke that I would be a far better biology teacher than the man in the movie he is reviewing. Watch the movie, it’s awful and the character the way it was written doesn’t have a clue what he is talking about and breaking all kinds of rules and ethical standards. The movie was written and acted by people who don’t know what they are talking about and have never actually set foot in a college classroom or at least didn’t stay in one for long trying to make the point for creationism not by giving facts and data, but resorting to repeatedly debunked talking points and trying to paint college professors as arrogant blowhards who don’t know as much as they think they do.

[@ShintogaDeathAngel]

@@Kno_Buddy true, but that's actually exactly what the film-makers were aiming for. They want to discredit biology professors and scientists.

[@hunterhatch598]

17:33 bowl-cut chinstrap beard combo 23:53 Charlie Chinstrap 25:58 Old bowl-face beard-bro 26:26 young Ken Ham 28:39 beardy bowl-head 28:43 chinstrap 29:38 The whiskered wonder 31:33 soup strap sentinel 32:25 The Baron of Beardland 52:02 Dread Pirate Bowl-Beard 53:03 The big bad beard 53:25 chin-breath 54:25 Beard Boy and Biology Girl Honorable mentions 30:46 Captain Boundaries Egg Boy mentions: 13:20, 14:21, 18:00, 29:21, 34:21, 34:41

[@ManILoveFigs]

you forgot 52:02 dread pirate bowl beard

[@mosha3007]

😂

[@hunterhatch598]

​@@ManILoveFigs Thanks

[@JackJack-zo4zt]

If he doesn't stop with these damn scarf jokes, I'm gonna piss myself from laughing so much. Damn it, another one...

[@commonerscoffee.]

The fact the scarf count was the most entertaining part of this movie

[@drewgoin8849]

Justice for the girls Rachel murdered to steal their scarves!

[@joxer]

I'm so saddened to see that Harry Anderson's last acting role before his untimely death was this tripe. He was the star of Night Court, a comedian, a magician and I always sort of liked the guy. Funny enough, he also wrote on cons and scams, but it seems he was taken in by one of the oldest ones.

[@BaphometGaming69]

I don’t necessarily blame him for it. Sometimes actors just need a good paycheck.

[@lt3tretrois]

I was trying to figure out who that was. I can’t believe I didn’t recognize it was Harry.

[@Sejl]

That's why he looks so familiar to me 🙈🙈🙈

[@kr88n]

I came here to say this. Huge comedic impact on my childhood was Night Court. “Bull” recently passed away as well

[@EsmereldaPea]

​@@BaphometGaming69- I doubt anyone got a good paycheck from this movie.

[@Solenum756]

I think the friendship between the biology professor and the journalism professor is subtext about how the media supports the evolution ideas or whatever

[@riffhammeron]

Good catch

[@chrislefler7173]

You could be right, but given how bad they are with surface text, I find it hard to believe they would be capable of putting that kind of subtext in without pointing it out. That said, I haven't seen the move myself, so it's possible it's in there and Forrest just didn't see fit to put it in the video and/or just missed it because a scarf flew by.

[@cap5575]

Yeah, I see no other reason a "journalism professor" would even be in this "movie".

[@dieSpinnt]

Nope. They just secretly share a deep love for scarfs.

[@peppermintgal4302]

​@@chrislefler7173 The subtext might be something they accidentally stumbled upon. I think it's more likely they were just itching to vent their anger at tHe mAiNsTrEaM MeDiA for not doing it's part in keeping the masses ignorant. The mainstream media is largely Christian, but Christians feel that can't be the case, because the media has logistical barriers in propagating religiosity. The feeling among zealous Christians is that their ideology can only be failed, it cannot, itself, fail, and so, failure is a mark that you're not actually a true believer, maybe even an imposter and saboteur. It's a kind of ideological thought-tool that proliferated in the wake of the world wars, I think.

[@CMurphMobile]

Your video was free on youtube Forrest, and i have come back to watch it over and over for your awesome commentary...but also more for this cause it is my favorite! 6:00 your reaction is my favorite!

[@karelfinn2343]

Man, it's really depressing to see Harry Anderson reduced to this. The man was the star of Night Court, for God's sake.

[@peter5149]

He honestly did a good job in this movie. He’s head and shoulders above everyone else.

[@MegCazalet]

I did a double take seeing him there. I loved Night Court.

[@anondecepticon]

It took me five minutes of thinking, _Where do I know this guy from?_ before I figured it out. And then I was kind of disappointed. I hope he just did it for the paycheck.

[@inrainbows1829]

Guess that It money dried up

[@standardnerd9840]

No wonder they didn’t bring him back for the Night Court reboot. Same thing happened to Kevin Sorbo.

[@ChaoticKaiHighlights]

It's very interesting that creationist think scientists go around regurgitating the same concepts over and over again, when that's EXACTLY what creationist do. For example, Ken Ham and Kent Hovind.

[@rocketsurgeon1746]

we christians are also scientists. don't look like a fool by saying otherwise. just make your best arguments and we can debate. that is real science :)

[@ChaoticKaiHighlights]

@user-os2gm6hv9l you know what, that's a good point. Scarf is more important.

[@ChaoticKaiHighlights]

@@rocketsurgeon1746 where in my comment did I say that there aren't Christian scientists?

[@callnight1441]

​@@rocketsurgeon1746 oc said creationist, not christian.

[@rocketsurgeon1746]

@@ChaoticKaiHighlights you separated creationists and scientists.

[@theai_1]

The writers of this film probably think that Pokemon evolution is how actual evolution works

[@Blablabla-ol2tr]

I think that pokemon evolution is even more accurate than what they think 😆

[@blakksheep736]

​@@Blablabla-ol2tr At least Pokemon eggs _hatch_ instead of _evolving!_

[@charisma-hornum-fries]

That's still better than what were getting from the movie 😅

[@jeffbaer5851]

Pokemon has devil creatures. They probably burn every copy they can find and stone any players to death. That would be right on brand.

[@Floodsye]

Not a single character in this movie would pass the Turing test.

[@pangln]

The real evolution was the scarves we made along the way

[@denize7139]

This is so, so good!

[@irrelevant_noob]

Came for the series title, only managed to grind through because of the scarves saga! 😩

[@pangln]

​@irrelevant_noob honestly the debate arc was kinda peak

[@JamesTaylor-je6es]

😂

[@spongevee1]

You win the comment section!😂

[@ariellalima7229]

A movie I'd never watch of my own volition. But thank you for making it fun!

[@JB-yb4wn]

Is it because you don't have a scarf? Is that it? You can tell me.

[@surfk9836]

The people who make these movies know they are presenting false information. They know professors don't act or say what they are presenting.

[@hurdygurdyguy1]

These movies are blatant plot/agenda driven brain dead Apologist drivel....

[@seth5143]

Take it from someone who grew up around these people and was indoctrinated by their ideology until reaching the age of reason; you're giving them WAY too much credit. They absolutely believe that all 'non-believers' are mustache-twirling villains ready to destroy them or commit other acts of pure evil which is why their media invariably reflects this us vs. them mentality. It's also why they're perfectly comfortable choosing to believe in a place of *eternal* torment reserved for those outside of the Elect. They argue that there's no basis for morality without the Bible because *for them* there truly isn't...really let that and its implications sink in.

[@royms2000]

Lying for Jesus is the most important Christian propaganda tactic.

[@robinette64]

I used to watch this stuff. The average evangelical actually doesn’t think this is false, and also thinks this is an accurate depiction of college. True story.

[@ND-nr6mx]

When a person believes in even the most fantastical elements of the Bible, it's not too hard for them to watch a movie full of made-up scenarios with vindictive Atheists and epic Christian debate takedowns and think "wow that's exactly like what happens in real life."

[@billheuber5884]

The professor is one of my favorite comedians to ever exist!! His name is Harry Anderson, or Harry the hat!! I actually got the pleasure of meeting him, and he was such a wonderful person!! Thank you for absolutely brilliant comedy Harry!! 💜💜

[@Strype13]

This was the best analytical evaluation possible of one of the worst movies imaginable. Forrest has an incredibly rare, albeit invaluable talent that allows him to make ANYTHING both entertaining and educational -- and I have the utmost respect for him sharing this talent with us. Phenomenal presentation, as always, my friend. Please keep up the amazing work!

[@killakanzgaming]

That end scene, just... eugh... He finally confesses that he was the little boy that did the horrible thing to her, a thing she remembered ever since. You can even see the shock in her face when he says it... I honestly thought he was going to do the right thing and profusely apologize, but no, how silly of me to think one of these fanatical lunatics would do the right thing... He actually goes with "God used you to make *ME* a better person! Thank you" ... Ach!... Egotisical narcissist... He victimised someone and then made it all about himself, making a justification for his action and glorifying himself in front of his victim. That ending just made me so angry, as if the rest of the film wasn't bad enough, they had to end it with that absolutely detestable moment... And presenting it as if it's something we should all aspire to do ourselves... Absolutely sickening...

[@kcarter2958]

And why didn't he give her back her stolen coin?

[@chameleonx9253]

I mean, that's basically what Christianity is all about. Glorifying yourself above all of humanity while using your imaginary friend as a scapegoat and justification for all of your horrible actions.

[@tamatebako_yt]

Chill dude. All he did was steal a coin from another kid...hardly a criminal offense.

[@chameleonx9253]

@@tamatebako_yt I think it was more the fact that instead of just apologizing, he tried to justify what he did by claiming it made him into a Christian, thus in a roundabout way claiming that the action wasn't "wrong" to begin with.

[@killakanzgaming]

@@tamatebako_yt well done for completely missing the point *slow clap*

[@apollo6274]

I have a very distinct memory as a young child. Asking my mom 'if we came from monkeys why are there still monekys?' i dont recall where I picked that saying up, but mom said I should ask our pastor and so I did. I dont recall word for word but he said that was, we don't come from monkeys, they are more like a cousin. We share a grandparent a very long time ago. Monkeys evolved next to us and just took a diffrent path, ours being guided by god. A favorite saying of his was masterpieces werent made in a day. And he liken the creation myth as more allegory, he thought a lot of the old testament was more allegory if I recall. Tho i was young, so my memory is a bit muddled on some of it. I recall it being a good church and only really falling out of religion when we moved and we couldnt find another like it

[@adamcorfman573]

It makes sense that you couldn't find another like it. That sounds extremely rare, but oh so awsome!

[@MerelvandenHurk]

That's amazing! Unfortunately extremely rare but nevertheless, it makes me happy considering that that pastor probably spoke to more people than just you, people who were spared the creationist dogma. I'm from the Netherlands, where 55% of people are atheist, and my parents were raised Christian but I never once got the idea from them that they ever rejected anything about science. You probably wouldn't even be able to tell they considered themselves Christians if you met them. When I was really young we did sometimes go to church, mainly only for Easter and Christmas and such but not with any regularity. But apart from that, and not being allowed to swear in the house, they're atheists in almost every which way, except this vague irreconcilable belief that God is real, which they don't give any precedence above science. My mom has many times stated that there's no reason why God couldn't have created everything in such a way to lead to the existence of the universe and the phenomenon of evolution as science knows it today. Come to think of it, she seems to be describing a deistic god more than a Christian god... I think it's only just the cultural environment that caused her to be a Christian, and not an active conviction. She also has a Quran in the house because she wanted to know what other religious texts said, and that's when her Jehova's Witness friend suddenly stopped coming over for tea and broke contact.

[@skeletonwar4445]

​@@MerelvandenHurkI agree with your mother. I'm not religious myself, but I don't see any reason why a god wouldn't be able to coexist with modern scientific research. This type of thing only becomes a problem for people who take their holy book as literal and infallible, which is probably the single worst way to view it.

[@MerelvandenHurk]

@skeletonwar4445 I entirely agree. Even for people who are religious, denying science in favor of their holy book is just incredibly poor epistemology.

[@EmptyGlass99]

OK well at least he has a fairly decent grasp on how evolution works, even he still has to bring god in to it.

[@Schizniit]

Do Christians think that "secular schools" are just high school part 2? Like no university is like this.

[@pompe221]

I'll also put this out there: every single entry level biology class I know of starts off with the very basics of organic life: organic chemistry. First you learn about CHO (carbon, hydrogen, oxygen) and then the makeup of the cells and the metabolic functions (DNA, RNA, ATP, etc). At that point some classes may briefly touch on the evolution of the cell (single-cell organisms that combined themselves for a symbiotic relationship, mitochondrial DNA is different than nucleus DNA) but usually you don't get the real evolutionary lessons until at least halfway through the class. Just once I'd love to see a realistic creationist movie where our creationist protagonist confidently marches into biology class ready to take on the professor and evangelize the students . . . only to get a gentle smackdown from the real world.

[@iantaakalla8180]

When the usage of scarves becomes a symbol of how wrapped up a person is in their beliefs for some reason.

[@daniellechance5838]

As a former creationist who tried to jam it into my biology learning, I am so thankful for you and this amazing rebuttal and informative discussion on the absolute unstable foundation of all of the arguments against evolution that creationists have

[@Skywatcher34]

This movie is not about religion, it’s about common sense. Evolution is both unproven and unprovable. And NO… sweet and sensitive Forest here doesn’t have any observable evidence for it. That was a bait and switch. Everything he boasted about has nothing to do with Darwinian evolution: that is one species evolving into another. Despite the genetic change the fruit fly still remained a fruitfly, it didn’t evolve into a praying mantis. You can’t test or observe something that happened supposedly 60 million years ago. You can test what the Bible says... “In the beginning God made them male and female.” Evolution doesn’t make any provision for females. It’s sexist, unscientific and downright dumb. Isaac Newton said “Atheism is so senseless.” That’s the father of science. But you don’t want to hear about that because you’re in love with your sins. The only reason atheistic evolution is popular is because it gets rid of moral accountability to our Creator. If you died today, where would you go? Heaven or hell? Have you lied? Stolen? Used Gods name in vain? Jesus said “whoever looks at a woman and lusts after her has committed adultery already with her in his heart.” Have you looked with lust? Had sex outside of marriage? If so, the Bible says that God sees you as a lying thieving blasphemous fornicating adulterate heart, and you have to face God on judgement day. Acknowledge your sins. You know you’ll be guilty and end up in hell. That’s not Gods will. He loves you so much that He provided a way for you to be forgiven. Though we broke Gods law, Jesus stepped in and paid the fine. Then He rose from the dead and defeated death. Today, repent (confess and forsake your sins) and trust in Jesus, and you’ve got Gods promise that He’ll dismiss your case, forgive your sins and give you eternal life as a free gift. Make sense? Do it today, none of us are promised tomorrow

[@Aroniyahu]

Evolution is a faith based religious belief. There is no science that has ever produced and repeated the claims made by evolutionists about the origins of life.

[@Aroniyahu]

I was born and raised into evolution through secular schools and aced the content. I now reject that religious cult for the real truth of creationism which is much more proven by science than evolution.

[@The1SuperAtheist]

I love this guy. He's possibly the nicest and most polite person in the country. I like how i always see him trying to be respectful for everyone regardless of their views or preferences.

[@Aroniyahu]

No. Just no. Do you even watch his videos? He's a psychotic mocker.