Answers in Genesis fails AGAIN! | Reacteria

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Forrest Valkai, a biologist who teaches science on the internet, embarks on a quest to endure videos from people who claim everything he studied in college is wrong. Will he be convinced by creationist claims? Or will he remain steadfast in his study of science? Let's find out!
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[@Sacrid_Author]

Constructive criticism for next time: Could you please remove the golden borders on the left and right sides of the frame? They're a little distracting. Zooming in slightly like you did at 32:30 is a perfectly valid solution to my eyes. Literally my only complaint. Love your videos! Keep up the good work!

[@cobinbugni1652]

@@Sacrid_Authoryou can zoom in slightly on the videos if that helps too

[@iami3rian394]

13:04 um. Excuse me...? Did you just say "birds evolved from reptiles?" That's... not correct at all. Theropods were definitely not reptiles.

[@RyanP57]

Did you give Roland your second free membership? Seems like he could use some new reads while hanging out in that closet of yours.

[@WE_R_DNA]

Holy Hitch Slap Forrest! Great job with this video. It was such a fun time learning while laughing my ass off. I commend you brother. Keep up your great work.

[@aennaenn7468]

The whole "don't want to be publicly embarrassed" thing is ridiculous. Scientists excitedly tear eachother apart publicly, without mercy, and then thank eachother for it all the time.

[@marknieuweboer8099]

Creacrap can't do without a nice conspiracy theory.

[@kagemushashien8394]

Not all scientists have the same mindset.

[@connorhart7597]

​@kagemushashien8394 no two people do, but I'd go so far as to say most scientists are good scientists. And good scientists do tend to have this mindset. The entire point of science is a search for truth. Not to find THE truth, because we're constantly learning things. The point is to always be trying to change our minds about our opinions and theories (personal theories, not scientific, is what I'm specifically referring to)

[@kujojotarostandoceanman2641]

that's why they are not considered scientific duh@@kagemushashien8394

[@aennaenn7468]

@@kagemushashien8394 All good scientists do on this subject. We're all searching for more and more accurate understandings of reality, you can only do that honestly and openly by not only admitting when you're wrong, but relishing being corrected. Even if you're wrong, you tested and found out how things DON'T work, which is just as useful as discovering how something does work. And in instances where it was you or your methods that were flawed, being corrected there is even more important. It makes you a better scientist, AND let's you retest that thing again, possibly learning what wouldve been overlooked otherwise. It's useful because now other people don't have to try it that way. Science is a global team effort.

[@Lance_Langlois]

"When you choose to start from the premise that one person's guess is just as valid as another person's evidence you have sacrificed the ability to learn..." Forrest Valkai, 2023. Man, I don't know if that's an original quote but it should be written everywhere. Well said. 😁

[@batarasiagian9635]

Strongly agree. I will save this quote for future reference.

[@fmtpulmanns7593]

It's paraphrasing another cliche, I think. Something about thinking your ignorance is as good as another person's knowledge.

[@whatabouttheearth]

Get a can of spray paint and a stencil

[@SweetTreat-wl2yl]

@@fmtpulmanns7593 See: Isaac Asimov, for one.

[@Soilfood365]

I think it's from the same tree (as per @Sweet Treat12311) as Asimov's characterising of that position as '...the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is as good as your knowledge."' And I think Forrest's (perhaps unintended) implication that AIG is part of a 'Cult of Ignorance' is very much on point.

[@bekmogamingchannel]

Answers in Genesis: This food has flour, sugar, eggs, vanilla, and chocolate chips. It's not a chocolate cookie though.

[@TheNinthGeneration1]

To be fair, those ingredients can make a multitude of pastries depending on the ratios and shape

[@memesfromdeepspace1075]

​@@TheNinthGeneration1thats variation ......again ...evolution😂😂😂

[@RickMason-yj7pv]

No. That would a chocolate chip cookie

[@ARoll925]

Calvin chastising anyone else for their "far fetched beliefs" is one of the funniest things I have ever heard

[@jameshall1300]

Creationists specialize in projection and hypocrisy

[@jjphank]

Calvinism is false, so you’ll go to hell based on your own free will choices says the second and fourth chapters of the Bible - mind you, they are foundational chapters!

[@FactStorm]

Irony is always present when engaging with apologist nuts

[@jjphank]

@@FactStorm You cannot out psychologize the Bible for God not to throw you into hell for all eternity. In other words, you cannot come up with a good enough excuse here and now, so you will not be able to on judgment day. If you say you did not want to be born, God is going to say you should’ve been born again, that means become a Christian so that’s not gonna work. And there are no other excuses try to think of one. So now you know for the first time in your life, that the Bible is smarter than you and it is a steel trap, smarter than all of mankind! So at least investigate and look to see that these things are true, because right now you just learned the Bible is smarter than you, so what should you do concerning the Bible? Prophecy, the Bible is 27% prophecy, that’s future history written in advance. God‘s really sticking his neck out to get it cut off he’s wrong but he hasn’t been wrong about the thousands of prophecies that were fulfilled, so he’ll be right about the end of the world prophecies as well and you’ll have no excuse on judgment day for not looking for truth! Caveat: you cannot look for God in times of chaos says Isaiah 45:19, so you better do it now. In other words,You’ll be too worried about your own survival when chaos hits, than your eternal destiny! Statistic probability of 40 writers writing the Bible with zero margin of deviation, proves God wrote the Bible through the 40 writers! God authored the Bible! DNA does not auto encrypt, the code writer is outside of the code of the 3300000,000,000 lines of computer code in the human genome of our DNA! So who wrote the code to such sophistication? 1,000,000 seconds is 12 days, 1,000,000,000 seconds is 32 years! That’s the difference between 1 million and 1 billion! One person’s DNA could fill the Grand Canyon up to 50 times full of books. John 21:25 “I suppose everything Jesus did, the world wouldn’t have enough room for the books telling of it.“ this verse would be fulfilled! Psalm 139:16 “in my members you have written many books“! Psalm 139 is about the human body!

[@uncleanunicorn4571]

Pfft... my talking donkey says atheist beliefs are far-fetched.

[@exactemphasis]

As a molecular biologist who has spent plenty of time staring at the human genome, there are so many genetic duplications, inversions, translocations, frameshift mutations that have been integrated into the genome. All of these create completely new information and can and do easily occur.

[@RenegadeScienceTeacher]

I had a chance to specialize in cell and molec in my undergrad but I went for organismic instead because what you folks do is insane. Hats off to you.

[@shanewilson7994]

And yet they tend to say "but that's just changes to what's already there." Which pretty much means the entire argument went right over their head.

[@fluidthought42]

And then there's epigenetic expression of those genes, which is about as complex and varying not only between generations but also across time within individuals as they interact with their environment, and those epigenetic expressions can sometimes be passed down to offspring and be inherited! It's less like a simple randomized order of a deck of cards and more like the entire expression of a game of mahjong, meaning hands and steals and trashed tiles and the center tiles and so and across every round, increased by a factor of a million times over in terms of complexity, with thousands upon thousands of different rulesets to boot.

[@garyskinner2422]

@@RenegadeScienceTeacher Keep up the great work forrest, you are a beautiful human being. ❤️ From UK

[@stylis666]

Makes a lot of sense. I am just a physics and chemistry enthusiast who loves the abstract phenomena we see in human experience and everything between and beyond and I can't help but notice that just a handful of fundamental particles result in infinite variations in expressions of all the limited combinations that aren't present in the particles stuff is made up from. I mean, if wet water can come from quarks and electrons and so can iron, why would there be a limit in what complex molecules can do and express on a larger scale? Are all the traits of all the molecules we see already in the "DNA" of quarks and electrons? Why would different combinations of particles result in different traits in molecules that their parts don't have and why would that be impossible with DNA? Creationism is missing a limiting factor to prevent previously non existing traits from coming about from different combinations of the same particles when it comes to complex molecules like DNA, which would logically not have less but infinitely more possible expressions than just quarks and electrons have when combined with different ratios - we can list their expressions easily in a periodic table. There shouldn't even be a difference between hydrogen and uranium. Both should only have the traits of quarks and electrons if AiG is right.

[@andrewolson5471]

Every time a Creationist uses the word "Kind" when talking about organism classification, I want to pull out my hair.

[@marknieuweboer8099]

Better pull out théír hair.

[@charleybarley914]

or the terms they use for orgasm classification too! lol I'm usually already bald by the time they start talking about "kind".

[@ihatespam2]

You should be bald by now.

[@andrewolson5471]

@@ihatespam2 I already am. LOL

[@NayBuster]

That's called malding.

[@BenYork-UBY]

All I'm hearing AiG say is "we admit evolution is happening, but we don't like it so we're calling it something else" [edit] To all the idiots in the comments. Stop coping and seething about an assumed non-existent distinction between "macro evolution" or "Micro-evolution". There is no distinction. You're basically saying that driving a car 10 meters is possible but driving 10 kilometers cant possibly happen. And that just because you can drive a car 10 meters doesn't mean that car can ever drive for 10 kilometers. The same force that can make a car move 10 meters is the same force that will make it move again and again until it clocks 300,000 on the odemeter. it's the same with "micro-evolution" "micro-evolution" is evolution. If you accept this process works, and produces smaller changes on a small time scale, you must accept it results in larger changes in a larger time scale. Those changes are accumulative and will always add up over time. It's math. unless you can demonstrably prove that micro-evolution must arbitrarily stop functioning by some unknown force after a set amount of time for any given organism. Stop repeating your brainwashed nonsense about micro and macro evolution. It's been debunked ad nauseum and does not adhere to what we know and understand about how evolution functions

[@krismckasson]

'It's not evolution, it's just a bunch of small changes over time, and you can't breed a flying dog.' It's like the only concept of mutation he has is from the X-men, where mutants just pop out fully formed and functional wings.

[@louieberg2942]

@@krismckasson In addition they phrase this sudden intra-generational change in terms of "wanting" and "willing". As if they think that a dog just pondered its inability to fly and was distraught by it. The dog sprouted wings and off it went.

[@isaiahwilliams3515]

Come on now flying dogs? I think what you see when you think about a flying dog, is a dog with wings on its back (kinda like how dragons are depicted in fiction) but that is not wings form when it comes to nature. Wings are limbs like arms and legs. In order for dogs to get wings on its back they have to come from 6 limbed organisms, dogs came from 4 limbed organisms, wolves. And even if dogs did have wings it still would not be able to fly because it will be to heavy for its wings.

[@aazhie]

@Caleb Williams what about gliding animals? Squirrels have 4 limbs and they still managed to pop out some great methods to escape predators. They don't fly like birds. But neither did ancient bird-ancestors xD

[@neverendingparty1534]

Evolution? Don't be silly. You're doing the same thing humans have been doing for +/- 10,00 yrs: DYING - not evolving. It's totally asinine & crazy when you think about it: How did the big bang produce a rock called "earth" that cooled down w/ rain & made a "primordial soup" which magically produced life & a first cell that had systems within to eat, digest food, eliminate waste, move, breathe and reproduce, while also containing the DNA blueprints for 9 million animals, NOT TO MENTION ALL the co-existent DESIGNED bodily systems (circulatory, respiratory, reproductive, pulmonic, digestive, skeletal, muscular, nervous, body (skin), etc., etc.) intertwined in order in the human body and THAT SAME DESIGN seen in MILLIONS of other animals? So...............that's what you believe? A MUD PUDDLE DID IT?

[@doncomputer5931]

"Nah, I'm just kidding. They do talk about Bruno, they call him a heretic and a mystic and say it's honestly surprising it took so long for the church to kill him, though they don't condone it." Best summary of answers in genesis I've heard yet

[@tartarus1478]

“That is a level of misplaced confidence I hope I can never understand.” - well said

[@gumbihilt1333]

Very well said, though I suspect the irony is lost.

[@TheNihonjin]

"When you start from the premise that one person's guess is just as valid as another person's evidence, you've sacrificed the ability to learn." Words to live by.

[@aazhie]

Agreed, very wise. I can agree that some concepts like "why do we exist?" Are philosophy and anyone can guess. "How do we exist" is absolutely something we have scientists showing better answers and evidence than any creationists have ever done!

[@familiarstranger9617]

Kojima, iconic last name

[@jbooks888]

You don't have any evidence!

[@dieSpinnt]

PAH! Always these evolutionists. Almost worse than those sluggish and stubborn gravitationists!

[@familiarstranger9617]

@@dieSpinnt this is almost definitely a troll

[@darwinjones2059]

*"Scientifically: your parents don't fuck"* was not the insult I was expecting to walk away with today, but it's going in the reservoir.

[@redmegarex]

you're adopted but science

[@imveryangryitsnotbutter]

@@redmegarex "By the way, you are adopted, and that's terrible."

[@tildessmoo]

The best part is, the only way to rebut it is by providing observational evidence that your parents did fuck. Aka their homemade porn.

[@mrcregg0915]

This comment solidified to me that I pay extra close attention to this video. I want to know what context this was used in lmao

[@CantTakeAJoke]

I thank you for the time and effort.

[@Ariande796]

All I learned from my 18 years being forced to go to church is that if you make fun of bald people you get mauled by bears.

[@vinnieg6161]

I learned to not be alone with the priest, under any circumstances.

[@theapegod7668]

Damn all I learned was not to play hide and seek in church

[@arturincdh4095]

Or slapped by will smith 😂😂

[@arturincdh4095]

​@@vinnieg6161exellent advice💀

[@idontknoq4813]

I'm sorry what the fuck

[@yegetatamiru2461]

“When you ignore all the things that prove you wrong, it’s so easy to be right”😂😂😂

[@facundovera3227]

That's basically Flat-earthers.

[@PaulTheSkeptic]

No it's not. See what I did? I was doing the thing you said but I feel like it's not clear enough as a joke so now I have to explain it and say that I actually agree. Lol.

[@danielhamid5569]

How have they not been shut down yet, there are videos of Ken making kids repeatedly chant his nonsense, brainwashing them

[@bryannig9]

That doesn’t just apply to religious people it also applies a lot to atheists too.

[@PaulTheSkeptic]

@@bryannig9 So, I don't think that's a fair evaluation. Everyone has cognitive bias. It's something that affects everyone. But the idea of skepticism is to minimize bias as much as possible, to be rigorous and logical and to believe things based on adequate evidence. We might fail but that's at least the idea. Some skeptics are better at it than others and some of them are can even be pig headed and downright stupid. But that's acting counter to the skeptical ideal. And I think you'll find that most atheists claim to simply want evidence. One can never know for sure how true that is but ideally, we're open to the idea and just want to be rigorous in our evaluation. But apologists have nothing like that at all. Apologetics is to make a defense no matter what the evidence suggests, no matter what is indicated or logical or even sensible. It's a defense at ANY and ALL cost. The ideal in religion is to be free from doubt entirely. But you can't actually have truth without doubt. Doubt is an extremely important part of an epistemology.

[@Headphones992]

I love how Answers in Genesis so frequently presents the idea of a gene pool like it's a Baskin Robbins where they only have so many flavors on hand to choose from 😂

[@SilverMKI]

And over time that icecream decays so you can't eat it any more, and the recipes get lost so you can't make the flavours any more, etc... because mutations are only harmful? :D

[@CrazyGamebino]

And even worse is that they aren’t the only ones you have dq homemade and ice cream varieties of snacks like snickers i’m almost certain that you can find different flavors in different baskin robins if you’re actively looking

[@youtubespag]

Not to be that guy but like A T G C And sometimes U. Like I'm thinking the relevant proteins are finite. But yeah the combos are quite impressively vast

[@youtubespag]

@@AnarchoDogma I feel like I said the combos were impressively vast. Yeah I agree with you.

[@unicyclist97]

I only understood this comment because of Ant Man

[@wildhorses1339]

the creationist guy not making much sense but you gotta admit his outfit is fire

[@MasamiPhoenix]

Hi! Computer programmer here! One of my favorite personal encounters was in a game where a typo caused somr random cards to have no image. The card still had all the values, could be played like it normally could, you just couldn't see what card it was before you played it. I fixed the "mutation" in my code. But I kept how it was done, so I could do it on purpose to create a rather unique game mechanic.

[@tranngockha6562]

That is so cool

[@jackwastakenx2]

So Natural Selection *does* happen in programming (the programmer”s taste being what’s selected for I guess)!

[@MasamiPhoenix]

@@jackwastakenx2 exactly. There was a mutation (bug in the code) that made it more fit for the environment (more fun to play)

[@wesbeuning1733]

Great point!

[@jounisuninen]

Hi, Computer programmer! You made an interesting comparison, which I guess was meant to prove something of evolution. In fact your example tells of variation, not evolution - unless your computer created a new and structurally different computer 🙂 The core axiom of evolution theory: "All life on Earth stems from a Universal Common Ancestor (UCA or First Cell)". No scientifically valid evidence for UCA has never been found. Science doesn't know mutations that would’ve transformed the basic anatomical structure (body plan) of any given organism. All such mutations have been non-structural like sickle-cell mutation, lactose tolerance, wingless flies, antibiotic resistant bacteria etc. They are in fact variations due to loss of genes or mutated genes. No new body plans - no evolution. Fish can make adaptive variations but they can never become anything else than fish. Amphibians can make adaptive variations but they can never become anything else than amphibians. Reptiles can make adaptive variations but they can never become anything else than reptiles. Mammals can make adaptive variations but they can never become anything else than mammals. There is no scientifically valid fossil evidence to show anything else, neither any successful empirical tests in laboratories. Variation does not bring about evolution because variation happens in meiosis when the parents' genes form new combinations. Follows gastrulation where the Hox genes control and guide the building of the embryo. Scientists have tried to mutate the Hox genes to create new body sructures for the embryo to create evolution - all in vain. Nature has exactly the same problem - variations happen but evolution is a genetic impossibility.

[@ukamikazu]

Remember folks: Apologetics is a retention tool, not a conversion tool. They're losing, that's why they're still making these pointless points. Credit to David John Wellman for the observation, whom I highly recommend.

[@gl15col]

I know; they can't keep up with scientific discovery so they just keep repeating the same old gaslighting points. Kinda sad, in a way.

[@michaelwerkov3438]

Goooood point.... so obvious, but it's so easy to get annoyed by them it's easy to overlook

[@pansepot1490]

Just because “they are losing” it doesn’t mean we should become complacent and underestimate the damage these indoctrination mills are making. There’s always new kids to indoctrinate. It’s disheartening to know that there’s parents - too many of them - who teach their children creationist “science”. Activists like Forrest do an invaluable work.

[@hankkingsley9183]

Warms my heart to see so many Xtian churches close their doors

[@VaughanMcCue]

@@hankkingsley9183 It is distressing. They would make great nightclubs, breweries or accommodation for zillions of peeps.

[@richardgunton9564]

I love the confidence of saying ‘this is where it starts to get a little tricky for the average person.’ My man isn’t an average pleb like the rest of us.

[@Lord.Ningirsu]

Agreed ... Forrest is one of The Best true, pertinent knowledge diffuser. I hope he get opportunity to do class, live or pre registrer, accessible for everyone. He is truly inspiring, both for the human values, life principle and world view he choose live for as a human being, than for the astonishing way he send us the content of the knowledge he so generously offers us.

[@FactStorm]

The irony escapes his plebby brain lol

[@iami3rian394]

@@Lord.Ningirsu 13:04 you sure about that, bro?

[@deltadash1134]

Ah yes. the evolutionary biologist obviously wouldn’t know about evolutionary biology then the average non scientists. 😊😑

[@danietom]

@@deltadash1134 The quote is from Bible man at 8:04, not Forrest

[@notinla]

"Two things that aren't the same thing aren't the same thing" Aristotle would have a field day with this one

[@johnn8795]

"When you choose to start from the premise that one person's guess is just as valid as another person's evidence, you have sacrificed the ability to learn." Is going to end up being one of my favorite quotes.

[@michaeldennis2335]

Wow, I don’t think I’ve gotten to that part yet. Fabulous quote. Copying and pasting your message into my notes app. Thanks for jotting it down!

[@andrewriley9821]

​Ok

[@silverfire01]

Yes I agree is good quote. I can never understand people that call evolution a fairy tale but accept stories like a talking serpent in the garden of Eden,lots wife being turned to a pillar of salt etc .

[@enderking1525]

The computer program analogy goes further once you realize that machine learning works by applying random modifications to its own code and then selecting based on results. AI is literally code that evolves.

[@phoenix0166]

We just have to hope that there’s a limit to how much they can evolve But I’m afraid that there might not be Skynet is coming y’all

[@Unapologetic.White.Man82]

​@@phoenix0166Skynet is already here...

[@drvurruct2274]

​@@phoenix0166 Right now the only thing we are teaching AI is to shitpost and make porn, so I'm not afraid. Besides, we don't have killbots for them to take control over and every one of these AI's has an Off Button and the physical inability to interface with said Off Button so it can't prevent itself from being turned off.

[@alyceblak1524]

@@drvurruct2274 I feel like your not thinking of the literal flying death machines the us military keeps in their hangers...

[@norrecvizharan1177]

@Insultedyeti712 And in such situations, it'd be just as simple as installing failsafe mechanisms and programs, be it hardware or software, that can prevent them from running amok. That or hardcoding them to where they have specific guidelines that cannot be changed whatsoever. Preferably a combination of both, but either way, we just have to not be completely braindead about it to ensure there's no real "machine vs people" scenario. Worst that can happen is more jobs being taken by AI, but usually that opens up other trades.

[@michaelchesnut865]

Evolution is just "It's not a bug, it's a feature," but repeated millions of times.

[@SamanthaLaurier]

So Skyrim?

[@DarkAlkaiser]

Definitely billions, probably trillions of times even lol Skyrim is the greatest evolution simulator for sure.

[@Salamander_falls]

@@DarkAlkaiser [Spore has entered the chat]

[@DarkAlkaiser]

@@Salamander_falls very fun game, not norlt at all actually like evolution lol really wish ea hadn't murdered that series

[@cosmic2750]

That confirms something we’ve known all along: Todd Howard is our one true god.

[@JoeyP946]

"animals can change over time, but that doesn't prove evolution" but... that's literally evolution? xd

[@crystallinecrisis3901]

So glad I stuck around for the post-credits scene. Really condensed that guys argument into all it’s well supported points.

[@mrapistevist]

🤣🤣🤣

[@mtbee9641]

Thanks for saying that or I would have missed it!

[@xen0bia]

Hot air?

[@KookyPan42]

Now i finally know where the term mouthbreather comes from....

[@irrelevant_noob]

45:29

[@monodescarado]

Love the sentence: ‘When you choose to start with the premise that one person’s guess is just as valid as another person’s evidence, you have sacrificed the ability to learn.’ Stick it on a t-shirt

[@richiejohnson]

👍

[@lorcostridge2811]

Bit lengthy but definitely catchy

[@spencercillgore9226]

I'd buy that

[@lebawsski]

Short version:" facts don't care about your feelings."

[@HorseEater]

@@lebawsski yeah but if that’s on a shirt people will think your a Ben Shapiro fan

[@bcwest619]

Reacteria is such a great series. Because every time I see it I'm reminded of the first one when Forrest made a JOKE about calling it Reacteria, then everyone made him call it that. It's beautiful.

[@aazhie]

Ha ha, that's great. I think a lot of jokes and punsend up being pretty great, myself xD

[@tonycardone990]

That's not how it really happened. He never put those letters in that order making a new word and title for the channel. God must have created that word and gave it to him because those letters were never previously arranged in that order, therfore it couldn't exist until it was created by God. Didn't you listen to anything that dipshit, I mean AIG said? Remember we can't let what makes sense and there is proof of keep us from believing in someone or something we can't see or prove exists.

[@dawncamina7309]

Education IS winning over indoctrination....because of people like you.Thank you

[@MeDecade]

"It's like when a child invents a new game on the playground and then constantly comes up with new rules that you didn't know about so that they can't lose." He just described Calvinball.

[@stevetheduck1425]

- or any other product of an under-developed mind. Wow.

[@robertabarnhart6240]

Yup. Also the card game Fizzbin, from Beta Antares IV. Although to be fair, Fizzbin had intentionally confusing and contradicting rules to distract the guards who were holding Kirk and Spock captive.

[@captainzoltan7737]

"yeah my magical invisible amour actually deflects your bullets straight back at you so you die not me "

[@wesbeuning1733]

Yes, except in the case of Creationists, no one else is actually playing with them, and Calvin needs medication because he is causing property damage.

[@ILikeMyPrivacytbt]

Calvinball, I get that reference. I was a child of the 90's.

[@ExperimenturalVideos]

What's truly embarrassing is, this IS tired. I am 36 years old. Through my child/teen years, these were *the exact* arguments they tried to train me to throw out, right down to the dog analogies, or it all being deleterious, etc. That is to say, like, late 90s I was hearing this from my mom and private christian school. And they're still fkin' trotting it out like it hasn't been disproven a hundred times.

[@marknieuweboer8099]

Late 90s is nothing. Try late 1890s.

[@daftwulli6145]

I always found ID the most embarrassibng part. So many decades ago there was a trial where a judge decided that creationism is undeniably religious in nature and not scientific. So it could not be taught in public schools since that would violate the separation of church and state So decades later they had this ingenious thought : well let us just rebrand it as intelligent design and get it into schoolrooms that way. We just have to claim ID is totally different then creationism and is scientific in nature. So theree was another trial, and they presented a book to prove that ID is totally different. The only problem with that plan was that all they did was replace the word creationism with ID, and the other side could undeniably prove this since they did such a bad job that in several cases they forgot to delete the rest of the word creationism so the book said IDeationism.

[@jb888888888]

@@daftwulli6145 _Edwards v. Aguillard,_ 1986 and _Kitzmiller v. Dover_ 2005. I'm -old- middle aged so that doesn't seem "many decades" to me, YMMV.

[@arturincdh4095]

​@@daftwulli6145 have you ever heard or read something so embarassingly ignorant that it makes you feel actual physical pain?

[@daftwulli6145]

@@arturincdh4095 No not feeling physical pain, but I felt embarrassed to even be the same species then the person claiming this before

[@PabloSanchez-qu6ib]

Basically they are saying "ok, I concede you can take a step but you can't walk 10 kilometers"

[@nameofuser5743]

*walks away to prove a point (and also to avoid AIG)*

[@stevetheduck1425]

'A journey of one thousand miles begins with one step'. A non-Christian philosophy.

[@sonderfulsable]

39:16 well, maybe YOU did, but i errupted from my father's forehead, fully clad in armor

[@jenniferkorf4767]

Hello Athena

[@nathansells3772]

I was binging forest valkai content last night, and now there's new stuff this morning! As someone who absolutely loves biology and also grew up pretty religious, these videos are so therapeutic for me

[@shaereub4450]

Getting out is like leaving a relationship that you didn't realize was abusive and manipulative until after you left.

[@apophenic_]

Hey there! Same! I'm a 7th generation pastors kid, was a youth pastor myself for 7 years. I left about 7 years ago (all completely coincidental) and have since been trying to make up for lost brain.

[@yoshi6421]

@@apophenic_ Better late than never!

[@yoshi6421]

Also, I feel the same, OP. Same situation too.

[@whatabouttheearth]

Check out his 3 and 1/2 hour 'A Brief History of Everything' live lecture video. It's a few vids in the list after his Light of Evolution videos kzbin.info/aero/PLgRoK-eyLjolmC7Hp1wmaNeyAR4wRlzt8

[@NeosAvias]

YO, BABE, NEW REACTERIA JUST DROPPED! Hell yeah! Boosting for the algorithm because you deserve all the support you get, Forrest.

[@MCPBA000]

The comparison you made for walking a few feet being observable and 2+2=4 being acceptable, but seeing someone a mile away later or seeing a sum of 10 as impossible without magic is spot on. Excellent video Forrest!

[@ctwentysevenj6531]

A comparison to a creationist, 2+2=5.

[@danielpaulson8838]

@@ctwentysevenj6531 Wouldn't a creationist math be 0+0=infinity

[@dalemackenzie4320]

12:30 The one thing that 6 seasons of *Community* taught me was, "Kevin Please Come Over For Gay Sex" 🤣🤣🤣 (Kingdom Phylum Class Order Family Genus Species)

[@pointyorb]

That's the full phrase? I only remember the end of it lol. I'll make sure not to forget this time

[@dalemackenzie4320]

@@pointyorb kzbin.info/www/bejne/e3LcZmuXbdakeqssi=VF_sDqdYZpOjWS4y

[@WondrouslyWillow]

oh my gosh i thought i was the only one who used that mnemonic 😭 it's genuinely the only way i remember the taxonomic groups

[@buttercat1331]

Single cell organism here, this video just made me feel more confident about myself. other organisms used to pick on me for my lack of brains, or any organs as a matter of fact, but seeing your videos that show I am still somehow smarter than some fully developed overly evolved fish makes me feel a bit more confident about my skills Thank you very much, keep up the good work!

[@uninspired3583]

Unicellular lives matter

[@adrianmetzler2523]

This comment is gold

[@FoodNerds]

You have won the Internet today!

[@FoodNerds]

@@uninspired3583 Yes they do!

[@andreasgkionakis1892]

covid be like am I a joke to u

[@lulumolloy]

There's a famous linguist, John Swales, who put out a paper with an arguement and when no one fought him on it for like 20 years, he decided to do it himself. Scientists love some good arguing.

[@jeannettehope670]

I do that all the time with my research (and I don't wait 20 years). I ask myself what have I got wrong and look for contradictions to my first conclusion. I have sent drafts to others, saying 'this seems to good to be true, can you see where I've gone off track?'

[@Science_Always_Wins]

So happy for new Forrest content. Most amazing science communicator. Love you Forrest.

[@21centuryhippie61]

So true!! I’m always ecstatic anytime he posts because he’s so engaging and fun!

[@SapphireVirgo]

@@21centuryhippie61 that's because he's a good person with a deep love of learning ,we need people like him as he makes this world a better place . he wants us learn and be the best versions of ourselves ,he like many others like him want the best for us and future generations, I have nothing but respect for this man .

[@humanaffectation9021]

Absolutely agree. I want to see Forrest and Cara Santa Maria in a regular show teaching me all the things I need to know about science and the natural world. That would be a dream come true.

[@milanorichie]

Yes!!! He's so awesome. The dude pretty much saved my life (his vids helped me out of fundamentalist Christianity).

[@humanaffectation9021]

@@milanorichie this is awesome to hear!

[@nerdyerror8390]

I’m a Christian and I’m really religious but I still believe in science and evolution 3:57

[@marknieuweboer8099]

Even in the USA most christians do.

[@tedweird]

I like the phrase "the story of evolution" because it exposes how he doesn't have a leg to stand on, being that all he has is a creation *story*

[@justanotheropinion5832]

Same reason they keep saying “atheism is a religion, it requires faith”. They can’t possibly compete with facts so that have no choice but to try make it seem as silly is theism.

[@AlbertaGeek]

@@justanotheropinion5832 I always liked: "Atheism is a religion like 'bald' is a hair colour."

[@justanotheropinion5832]

@@AlbertaGeek never heard that before I love it! ✌️ from northern Ontario

[@neverendingparty1534]

Creation is a scientific fact. The problem with your atheist religion is manifold. First of all, you have no INTELLIGENCE, POWER, PURPOSE, RESOURCES & MEANS anywhere in your atheist cult (big bang, abiogenesis, evolution) that can create design the human being and 10 million DIFFERENT species. ALSO, your atheist cult has no INTELLIGENT source that can combine (in an intelligent orderly arrangement) the elements that are used to create our cells or cells of any other biological life form. It’s like having all the parts of a machine laying around and there’s no intelligent agent to intelligently arrange them - building the machine with the proper DNA coded blueprint for the human being or 10 million DIFFERENT species of life. These facts prove that the religion of atheism is totally absurd. It’s impossible that G0D doesn’t exist. G0D is REQUIRED to exist, else we or nothing else would exist. It’s not just high-complexity/high function design that proves our divine G0D; it's also the *INTELLIGENT ARRANGEMENT* of that high-complexity in a high function design to produce a clear purposeful processed outcome. The co-dependent structures of the digestive system (mouth, teeth, tongue, epiglottis, throat, stomach, stomach acid, small intestine, large intestine, anus) certainly can't come from "NOTHING" or a mud puddle. This is where you atheists say "I don't know.... and well......uh.....it evolved" LOL. Evolution? Don't be silly. You're doing the same thing humans have been doing for +/- 10,00 yrs: DYING - not evolving. It's totally asinine & crazy when you think about it: How did the big bang produce a rock called "earth" that cooled down w/ rain & made a "primordial soup" which magically produced life & a first cell that had systems within to eat, digest food, eliminate waste, move, breathe and reproduce, while also containing the DNA blueprints for 9 million animals, NOT TO MENTION ALL the co-existent DESIGNED bodily systems (circulatory, respiratory, reproductive, pulmonic, digestive, skeletal, muscular, nervous, body (skin), etc., etc.) intertwined in order in the human body and THAT SAME DESIGN seen in MILLIONS of other animals? So...............that's what you believe? A MUD PUDDLE DID IT?

[@AlbertaGeek]

@@neverendingparty1534 That was a lot of words just to say "I don't have a reasonable argument."

[@F4BL3leaf]

I need to see Forrest tackle the "animals that defy evolution" and why those animals don't in fact defy evolution

[@b.a.r.c.l.a.y]

Oh my goodness I watched that dvd too. Gonna be straight, that thing was the reason why the Bombardier Beetle and The Cuttlefish are my favorite animals now lmao.

[@neverendingparty1534]

Evolution? Don't be silly. You're doing the same thing humans have been doing for +/- 10,00 yrs: DYING - not evolving. It's totally asinine & crazy when you think about it: How did the big bang produce a rock called "earth" that cooled down w/ rain & made a "primordial soup" which magically produced life & a first cell that had systems within to eat, digest food, eliminate waste, move, breathe and reproduce, while also containing the DNA blueprints for 9 million animals, NOT TO MENTION ALL the co-existent DESIGNED bodily systems (circulatory, respiratory, reproductive, pulmonic, digestive, skeletal, muscular, nervous, body (skin), etc., etc.) intertwined in order in the human body and THAT SAME DESIGN seen in MILLIONS of other animals? So...............that's what you believe? A MUD PUDDLE DID IT?

[@cameronwilsey9334]

@@b.a.r.c.l.a.y Bombardier I think I get, but how is a cuttlefish supposed to defy evolution?

[@b.a.r.c.l.a.y]

​@@cameronwilsey9334 If i remember correctly it was about their camouflage abilities. Nice pfp btw.

[@Houtblokje]

@@cameronwilsey9334 By being cool.

[@Tallenn]

"Answers in Genesis is a reputable organization". Dude! You almost made me spit my coke all over the screen!

[@christianmeinert4538]

“I watched that whole video and all I got was bored” is such an underrated statement when talking about the comedy gold that AiG puts out

[@Ratciclefan]

I love how they're like "Darwin couldn't have known this thing, so he's automatically wrong even if it was found out eventually and corroborates with evolution"

[@Ratciclefan]

45:31 - Breathings in Genesis

[@jounisuninen]

Nothing corroborates evolution. Evolution is simple like all fairy tales. That's why gullible people get fooled by it so easily. It is easier to just believe in a slow "step by step by step" anatomical transformation than to start examining how it could be genetically possible. Richard Dawkins knows this ignorance and uses it unabashedly. Evolutionists are greatly helped by the misleading concepts of "micro evolution" and "macro evolution", while in reality "micro evolution" means just intraspecific adaptative variation or subspecies. "Macro evolution" means nothing, because there is no evolution.

[@jdevlin1910]

They do despise Darwin wow

[@miaomiaochan]

Got to have that boogeyman with which to scare the gullible.

[@pickles224]

It’s like saying that Galileo observed the moons of Jupiter, but since he couldn’t actually send probes there to take pictures of the moons like NASA does now, those moons can’t be real.

[@americanxlove]

“Oops’d their way to success” is literally my entire job history as a software developer. Well, maybe not 100%, but an unnervingly high percentage for sure.

[@dwm1156]

I can’t count how many times making a change in code had either catastrophic results in what appeared to be completely unrelated areas of operation, and conversely, seemingly miraculous improvements in performance. Post mortem analysis would usually reveal the underlying mechanism, if time permitted, but more or less boiled down to one thing - unintended consequences. It’s easier to analyze when coding close to the hardware, like assembly languages, the layers of higher languages only add to the complexity of errors. Back in the day, knowing these hacks made you a hacker. The meaning has changed, now we have code hacks, game hacks, security and life hacks, everybody hacks. Evolution is just life hacking the universe.

[@NoActuallyGo-KCUF-Yourself]

More mistakes ==> more learning.

[@americanxlove]

@@NoActuallyGo-KCUF-Yourself As much as I dislike Facebook and Mark Zuck, I do think he was on to something with the "fail fast" thing.

[@NoActuallyGo-KCUF-Yourself]

@@americanxlove It's like the old baseball analogy: swing the bat enough times, and you'll get homeruns.

[@AusSP]

I guess that's why they call them code monkeys. "Infinite monkeys", after all...

[@hankboog462]

I actually started laughing when i saw the dihybrid cross skin color thing. Trying to predict skin color with a simple dihybrid cross is like trying to prepare soufflé using a campfire and a hatchet

[@lucyla9947]

Only reason it's taught like that at lower levels is because it's simple to understand.

[@sanguillotine]

The difference is that I could believe that someone has made soufflés with a campfire and hatchet

[@MinaOmega]

It didn't actually get to understand the first part. But you had me at souffle, campfire, and hatchet!

[@NitroIndigo]

There was a young-Earth creationist book - I think it was by Raw Matt? - that has a very wrong Punnett square about human skin colour. Most of the cells have allele-representing letters that aren't in the corresponding row and column.

[@foolishpotatoes3015]

I dont belive in unicorns because the bible told me so, i belive in unicorns because id rather think about them than my taxes

[@gatorboymike]

I like the way Answers in Genocide's argument is basically, "No one can ever really know anything for certain, and that's how we know everything for certain."

[@deljewell1]

Another example of Autocorrect Making words worse

[@Soken50]

@@deljewell1 better* Have you read the literal words of the bible ? it's a slaughterfest

[@nwut]

amazing pun/typo

[@mattschumacher4581]

@@deljewell1 *making words better

[@NoActuallyGo-KCUF-Yourself]

Which translates to, "We think you are stupid, so we can get away with lying to you."

[@gerardpalomo9195]

As a child born in 1950, and growing up in a devoutly Catholic family, I heard Bible stories from infancy. Unfortunately for my parents, they made the mistake of buying an expensive set of hardcover books called "Childcraft" books. These were a semi-encyclopedic series that covered science, geography, literature, and mythology. My mother read these books to my sister and me, because she wanted us to become educated (neither she, nor my father, ever completed high school). In my toddler's mind, reconciling these books with what the priests talked about in their sermons, made it seem obvious to my preschooler's mind that the Bible was a metaphor, and not to be taken literally, but rather, for the morality that its tales conveyed - like Aesop's Fables, for example. Later, as a first- or second- grade student, I was sick and stayed home from school one day. Watching black-and-white television, I saw a program that mentioned Charles Darwin and his theory of evolution by natural selection. My instinctive reaction was, "OF COURSE that's how it happened!" The world was complete again, untroubled by contradictions between "faith" and science. From that point on, I was at peace. It wasn't until the "Cuban Missile Crisis" that I lost all faith in any god. But that's another story . . .

[@basilcook4280]

That’s fascinating. I was never that coherent or structured a thinker, especially at that age

[@ModernEphemera]

1950 is actually the year Pope Pius XII announced there’s no conflict between Catholicism and evolution. If people were telling you otherwise they were actually out of step with Rome.

[@gerardpalomo9195]

@@basilcook4280 I did not intend to make myself seem precocious. The thoughts I had were more like helium balloons being lobbed back-and-forth in slow-motion by a fascinated child, rather than a rationally-expressed thesis. This was perhaps inevitable, being that I never went to a public school. I started my education from 1st grade (no kindergarten required in those days) through Sophomore year of university, in Catholic schools. Imagine if your drill sergeant in basic training had been a Jesuit priest.

[@gerardpalomo9195]

@@ModernEphemera Many were, regardless of their Good Habits.

[@ModernEphemera]

@@gerardpalomo9195 Fair enough. Sorry you had to go through that.

[@cursedcat6467]

“Are whales bears?” Made me imagine a fake Russian video of a man fighting a whale and winning

[@traildude7538]

I got the mental image of Putin riding a whale.....

[@FoodNerds]

😂😂😂😂

[@FoodNerds]

I was here for how the Masons killed off the unicorns. Because the guy from answers in genesis is obviously a whack job. And I wouldn’t be at all surprised if he believed that the Masons killed off the unicorns.

[@hifibrony]

I thought Russians were bears on unicycles. I DID see it on “Family Guy.” 😎

[@Andrew-tf8jt]

No one's a rich fat man and the other is a gay fat man.

[@wolvie1618]

I HATE how creationists like that dude will try to pull the "evolution is fiction because you cant observe it" when their belief is literally "trust me bro". Like we have a mountain of evidence to back evolution and they have none.

[@benhockley]

I was flinching whenever the AiG guy says "kind", because I know it's inevitable the direction he's going.

[@charleybarley914]

watch the Ken Hamm Bill Nye debate and take a drink every time Hamm says "kind" if u wanna get black out drunk.

[@DgtlRnn042]

36:58 "Anyone who thinks that random changes to computer code can't make better software has never talked to an actual programmer" I bust a gut because it is so true! "I got it working!" "How?" "If I knew I'd tell you."

[@Mostlyharmless1985]

The number of comments that read “something magic happens here and it’s stupid and hacky and it shouldn’t even work but removing these lines breaks something on line 2375 and I don’t know why.” And it’s from like, 1974 and line 2375 is far and away depreciated but now that magic line breaks something new and interesting if you remove it so it stays there for another 50 years. It’s actually pretty apt for evolution in that way.

[@jounisuninen]

@@Mostlyharmless1985 A new computer was evolved?

[@Mostlyharmless1985]

@@jounisuninen yes. Complete with vestigial structures. Every modern PC boots up thinking it’s an intel 8080 from the 70s that initial state is used to bootstrap the EUFI and take over basic functions. Software is also evolved using literally evolution through neural networks. Computer software is rife with code that doesn’t serve a purpose or code that has been commented out. Deletions and insertions abound, and code that was intended for one purpose gets used for another purpose. Now, if you are asking if computers fuck, no, they don’t.

[@cerberaodollam]

​@@Mostlyharmless1985 ....yet.

[@anotherearth8142]

You're lying.. messing up a program code can cause program crash.. if its true then tell me whats that software you just made better by randomly changing codics?

[@theunknownonetuo2033]

My memory is terrible, so honestly, I actually appreciate them having the same arguments over and over again, so Forrest can explain it to me multiple times too!

[@Chris-hx3om]

I have excellent memory retention (everybody tells me that 🙂), and what I like to think of as a good grasp of most of the sciences, but trying to remember the arguments to use against these fundamentalist creationists is not easy. Easier to just tell them they're idiots and walk away, like flat-Earthers, moon landing deniers and anti-vaxxers.

[@brianmyers7062]

Same! 😂

[@Mehki227]

Everything these people say is exactly the reason to not believe any of their creation nonsense. Everything! They are literally arguing against themselves... And then have to pull out their one nonsense card - faith. That's all they got and they're desperate.

[@nasonguy]

Thank you for 3:38. Seriously. As an Agnostic Atheist who was raised in a Fundamentalist Evangelical Christian household this one hits home. There is unfortunately a current of "if you're religious you're just plain stupid" amongst _SOME_ Atheist circles. Definitely a minority thought/opinion. But it is there and it needs to be pushed back. I was always curious and inquisitive as a child, teen and young adult. But I was homeschooled and my curriculum was exclusively YEC dogma. My parents even "vetted" my chemistry curriculum. I missed out on a lot of necessary science education because it disagreed with or didn't firmly espouse Young Earth Creationism. Lo and Behold, as I grew older and get into the world more, and learned more, things started making more sense... As you emphasized, most people are glad to learn and accept new things. Yes, it takes time. Yes, people are prone to being slow to change. But we see it happening...

[@yitzchokmickler8658]

I agree. I am religious and not stupid.

[@yoshi6421]

I agree. I wholeheartedly avoided learning about evolution when I was religious, yet I was a straight A student with huge interests in biology and genetics. As I deconverted, I learned so much and realized just how much I was missing, and how everything suddenly made sense with what I knew.

[@pH7oslo]

@@yitzchokmickler8658 How do you know you're not stupid? There are tests only smart people can pass, but there are no similar tests that only stupid people can pass. That is, stupid and smart are not mutually exclusive - not when we're talking about people rather than isolated actions, claims, beliefs etc. Getting a high score on an IQ test only means that you (presumably) have a higher potential for solving difficult tasks/problems than someone who's unable score that high on an IQ test. It does not in any way prevent you from doing, saying or believing something stupid (I think we all have experienced that, more times than we'd like to). Becoming aware of our own stupidity can be quite difficult, especially on our own. Thinking that because we're smart we're not holding on to any stupid ideas makes it pretty much impossible. Case in point, if we think that we can't be stupid because we're smart, we've just proven ourselves wrong, as that conclusion is a logical fallacy - hence, we are indeed stupid. And smart. It's part of being human.

[@idrabohm3678]

I sometimes wonder who I would've been had I been born into a Fundamentalist, Evangelical, etc. household. It's an impossible question to answer, of course, but I ask myself if, being surrounded by people I trust who tell me that the world works this way, being cut off from education concerning critical thinking skills or scientific concepts, and being forced to spend most of my life at church being brainwashed if I would've ever been able to break out of my situation. I'm not sure I could've. So much of our lives are controlled by circumstances beyond our control that I hesitate to call someone stupid. More likely, they're just indoctrinated or have never had the opprotunity to learn.

[@Megan-nt7dm]

Not knowing something doesn't equal being stupid. If that's the metric, then we are all stupid, because it is physically impossible for us to know everything. I think the "stupid" comes into play when there is repeated, intentional dismissal of solid evidence and good explanations, but when you are told by everyone you ever trusted that the sky is green, you're going to say the sky is green and it's going to take a lotttt of convincing to show you that it's blue 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@ethannelson8592]

I don’t understand how Forrest doesn’t get hella depressed having to deal with this bullshit all the time😭😭😂😂 It’s insane

[@aaron2891]

I’m guessing part of it is that he didn’t grow up with Young Earth Creationism like many of his viewers did (including me). And he gets tons of validation for his helpful work in his comments sections.

[@Altom941]

Because he can see AiG and other apologetics being driven back ever so slightly over time. He can see them giving ground step by step. He is clearly passionate about spreading knoeledge and combating misinformation and he can see progress being made.

[@satanofficial3902]

*GASP!!!!!!* It's *SEXIST!!!* to use the term "bullsh*t" when she cows go poop, too. And, it's also *SPECIESIST!!!* because non-bovine animals also expel digestion remnants through their anal orifice. In the future, instead of saying "bullsh*t", everyone should please say "Non-gender-specific non-species-specific animal excrement". And instead of using "BS", please use "NSNSAE". Thank you for your cooperation. 🐮 "Mooooo!"

[@DoloresLehmann]

Well, I guess it's because he's so damn passionate about what he does. The very word passion means enthusiasm paired with the will and ability to suffer for your cause.

[@aazhie]

@@Altom941 over a long enough timeline, we win

[@Ozzyman200]

You never get scientists telling us evolution didn't happen. So many well-funded creationists, and still they can't find a flaw in evolution that can be solved by creationism.

[@xxbongobazookaxx7170]

36:50 I study robotics and couldn't help but rip of my headphones and scream "THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT MACHINE LEARNING IS" Like we have an entire field of computing dedicated to doing exactly that in an efficient way, in fact evolution is what we modelled it after and it's pretty damn useful for more complex topics

[@fluidthought42]

"But is a model that can allow bipedal character models to walk and dance really a different *kind* of model than one that makes them flop around the floor like a cross between a fish out of water and a baby having a seizure? What a time to be alive!"

[@Catalin-Stefan]

After so many years I didn't expect someone to destroy my mood so hard with a single sentence. Like tonight I wanted to to some optimizations but what's the point if I don't bring something new. There's literally no point in programming anymore.... _last seen 9 years ago_

[@xxbongobazookaxx7170]

@@fluidthought42 that sounds suspiciously like 2 minute papers lol

[@DataRae-AIEngineer]

I like how he says "that would be chaos". As a mathematician, I must say... NATURE LOVES CHAOS. Fractals and chaos theory are everywhere in nature all by themselves without God intervening in the thing. Why do Christians hate chaos so much? Fractals and chaos are beautiful.

[@wolvie1618]

They hate it because it goes against their beliefs and they hate anything that proves them wrong. They dont like doubting themselves.

[@Mars-ev7qg]

Not only did Darwin know a lot about selective breeding, but he actually did it himself with pigeons.

[@jeffersonott4357]

So, Darwin and Mike Tyson are the most famous pigeon enthusiasts ?😊

[@992ras]

It actually came from his study of finches not pigeons

[@75greenfish62]

​@@992ras no, it was actually first pigeons. He kept and observed pigeons before he wrote about the finches.

[@snailofkale]

misread this VERY badly

[@stambo1983]

​@992ras he kept and bred pigeons.

[@bradycall1889]

I may be religious and believe in God and all of that, but I cringe at those who think Earth is only a few thousand years old, that the dinosaurs never existed, and much more dumb stuff. I've always found it rather odd that people are like this.

[@gameraltercydas9127]

"It is much easier to shape the facts around your beliefs than it is to shape your beliefs around the facts." -Dave

[@Sam-co2ig]

i am so inlove with this series i wish it would never end. thank you forrest❤️

[@Ambersdf]

I hope there is a day when answers in genesis have no followers...

[@Pigaroulettes]

The playing card analogy is so great because Bicycle sell "Seconds" decks, which are decks with slight anomalies during the replication process. His analogy is so perfect to prove him wrong.

[@tacticallemon7518]

Well, you’re ignoring the fact that he doesn’t want to admit being wrong

[@jounisuninen]

"slight anomalies during the replication process." ... do not make evolution i.e. new life forms from existing life forms

[@Pigaroulettes]

@@jounisuninen That's the thing, they do. Because slight modifications can cause HUGE differences, when we're talking about genes. If two populations accumulate these modifications and are isolated so they can't share them, they're gonna grow more and more different over time. And that's how you get new species.

[@LineOfThy]

@@jounisuninenthat’s literally how new life forms are made XD

[@hedgehog3180]

@@jounisuninen Explain how protein synthesis works if you want your opinion to be taken seriously.

[@johnsperry9494]

Whenever someone asks me, “if we are descended from apes, why are there still apes?” I ask them, “If dogs are descended from wolves, why are there still wolves?” Sometimes it makes them think (Sometimes!). Also, if colonists came from Europe, why is there still Europe? If Christians came from Jews, why are there still Jews? If Mormons came from Christians, why are there still Christians? Makes a lot of sense, eh?

[@natbretagne7220]

and if you are descended from your grandparents how come they came to Thanksgiving dinner ?

[@joshuapayne3937]

As someone who's more of a DIY hobbyist programmer, I can at least attest to how even moving could around and rearranging it without changing any of the syntax can drastically improve the functionality of your code. And yeah, I've accidentally written really good code before. Accidents aren't inherently bad.

[@roscius6204]

First I thought, yep, I can imagine that could happen. Turns out it's common place. AiG don't research that sort of stuff, they just say what they think people will unquestioningly believe.

[@Nava9380]

It's not a bug, it's a feature .

[@rbaxter286]

I am continually amazed by the insight shown by my PREVIOUS self, but for which I have no explanation aside from 'accidental brilliance'. I've even started replying to myself in a thread only to realize it was me on another account!

[@scottlarson1548]

I was a software developer for twenty five years. I assume what he was referring to was changing the code to narrow down where the bug is thereby accidentally fixing the code without knowing why. You can see that happen all the time on KZbin channels with people trying to fix old computer hardware.

[@abqchris2]

Just did biology homework with my daughter. We learned that mutations can add, take away, or replace letters in DNA, and that it’s not just degrading or subtracting the genetic code. She’s going to laugh so hard when i show it to her 😂

[@boianko]

Another fool duped by the lies of evolutionists! Shame on her! /s

[@Madokaexe]

All creationists can be refuted by using elementary school biology books, your daughter is on the right track!

[@xxrapidfirexx08]

Your daughter is unironically now more educated in biology than like 50% of the county 😂

[@Allestya666]

A far more accurate version of the playing card analogy would be if one had a deck of magic the gathering cards. Let's say they have 300 cards total to deal with and they're dealt some consistent number of cards each time, and in between each and every deal a computer program reprints all the cards. Every once in a while that program makes a mistake. Usually that mistake is just a typo like leaving "e" off of "the", or replacing a letter that doesn't actually make the word unreadable. However some percentage of those mistakes will be verT645r eaningful. Like (if you know the game then this will really make sense.) A 3 manna card that says "draw 7 cards then destroy a artifact." undergoes a translocation event where it becomes "draw a card, then destroy 7 artifact. If the opponent was playing an artifact deck then that card would give a major advantage. Or here's an even better example. Let's say a 10 manna ( that's the cost to play it if you don't know the game.) Has a point mutation or deletion, that turns 10 into 1, or a 1 manna goblin becomes 9 manna. Any of these "mutations could have a major impact on how the game goes. So it's easy to see how over 5 years of playing a game every day could end up with one person playing a deck that is exponentially more powerful than the one that they started with, and the decks that ended up with the faulty cards would just be removed. Theres a few more things I need to add to make this as accurate as possible, but that's the analogy that's been whizzing through my head lately. Hope someone enjoyed it.

[@synthetic240]

Great comment. Kinda related, but I've heard that M:tG is also Turing Complete. With the right cards you can run algorithms to complete calculations.

[@lordfelidae4505]

That’s actually a really good analogy.

[@tedcoop4392]

Point of distinction: "The Emperor's New Clothes" is not a fairy tale, it's a fable.

[@dlandon2000]

I'll be shocked if aig ever makes a video that isn't a fail

[@ARoll925]

Or completely dishonest

[@tabularasa0606]

That's be the same day they're rebrand themselves as naig.

[@jameshall1300]

B-b-b-b-but the buy-bull has to be right!?!? Right? Right?....

[@traildude7538]

They don't even know how to read the Bible, so they're bound to fail.

[@jon4574]

17:17 Listening to a bible-believing, myth and folklore accepting, human-sacrifice worshiping Christian, talk about evolution as a fictional story was the funniest irony about this entire video! Great reply Forrest!

[@polyurethanesealant]

As a former Seventh-Day Adventist and follower of Walter Veith, I can say that this was truly eye-opening. I remember fully accepting his ridiculous ideas like they were fact, but it's been so long now that I had stopped thinking about it. It took someone repeating his ramblings back to me all these years later to make me realize just how absurd it all really was and how much of a fool I was for buying into it. All I needed was someone with a different point of view; now I have a whole new perspective. I can't thank you enough!

[@evablessp23]

The Bible did say there would be a great falling away before the end of days. I'm sure you hear a small voice beckoning you to return home.

[@polyurethanesealant]

@@evablessp23 I get plenty of beckonings to return home. I don't need any more from you, thank you. I don't have to listen to someone claiming to know my own thoughts better than I do.

[@azzy9293]

​@@polyurethanesealant stay strong man. The indoctrinated don't want you to be your own person, i for one gotta give you props for staying true to yourself

[@polyurethanesealant]

Thanks man, I appreciate your support. Everyone needs a community of like-minded people to be there for them. Yet another way Forrest Valkai has helped in my journey.

[@bernierasmusson9257]

​@@evablessp23The bible says lots of stupid shit.

[@thisslime2109]

"Oh my Glob, did he actually say observational science?" Made me actually laugh for a second. LSP

[@kelliepatrick519]

Had a creationist once post that a human can't turn into a giraffe! lol, I posted back that you're absolutely right, they can't, and no biologist anywhere ever said they could. They diverged long long ago from a common ancestor, so one cannot ever become the other. What you can do, however, is selectively breed humans to 'look' more like a giraffe (phenotype), but it would never be a giraffe, it would always be a subspecies of humans (homo sapien girafficus). And that all the breeding generations would be transitional forms. Just like all the 'dog' kinds are subspecies of common ancestors...and all the 'cat' kinds.

[@Eromatics]

I have been waiting for the next reacteria patiently and it's finally here! I'd like to see another John and Jane episode for a future video. That's always a good time lol.

[@MrRezillo]

Could the reason for Jane's absence be the result of taking off her chastity ring and, you know, gotten in a family way? I know; just idle speculation.

[@spoodlydoodler3552]

anytime I hear the words "evolutionist" or "kind" when it comes to evolution, I tune it out, they obviously don't understand what it is, as this video so clearly demonstrates. Thank you Forrest

[@traildude7538]

Isn't it bizarre that they can't even use a word from the Bible to mean what it actually meant in Hebrew? That's what boggles my mind; the bozos on their bus not only mangle science, they mangle the Bible itself and they don't even know it! I always think of a friend in university who said, "I hear stupid people. They're everywhere, and they don['t even know they're stupid".

[@wesbeuning1733]

To those. Weirdo cultist even their own supposed beliefs are nothing but fodder to roll over and burn on their twisted path to worship themselves.

[@BTroyPhoto]

How are there so few comments about the incredible breathing editing at the end of this video? Absolute masterpiece.

[@jeremyhewitt1952]

I once was involved in a super secret experiment trying to blend human and animal DNA... everything was going great and we were convinced that we were on the precipice of something extraordinary. Then the farm owner arrived so we pulled out and got back to work.

[@aussiemerican750]

Are you perhaps Welsh?

[@earthsanchez5816]

im suprised how long it took for me to understand this joke. guess im still above water

[@tesmith47]

Omg, ............... Lol

[@hungryburger1170]

Furry science

[@DreadEnder]

You know the Welsh sheep thing happened because it was illegal to steal sheep but just immoral to mate with them. So if a sheep thief got caught, they just say they were giving the sheep a massage

[@InfinityKrompt]

One of my FAVORITE examples of "Oops My Way to Success" is from the 2004 MMORPG City of Heroes. When it started, the lead developer at the time said that having the physics for capes and flags and things was impossible for the system and the code. It could not handle the complex calculations of physics that came from free flowing capes. And then one day, months later, they patched a random piece of code to fix a bug and it made the game system capable of handling capes suddenly so they were able to add them properly. That same piece of code BROKE another part of code for an enemy's attacks that wouldn't be fixed until 2010 when a completely different bug fix unbroke the code.

[@cl34ve]

My favorite flavour of comments when reading through other people's code (or, uh, my own stuff from like 6 months ago) is when you trial and error into "I don't know WHY this is happening, but if I comment out this seemingly pointless garbage math, nothing works anymore. Fix later" and it just sits there forever. And then you end up building ontop of that, so when you do try to go to fix it later, even more shit breaks horribly. It's probably why all mammals but sloths and manatees have 7 neck vertebrae, there's a metaphorical comment in that 'code' along the lines of "hard-coded cancer rates here, skull kept falling off otherwise, fix later". :p

[@vincentperon2950]

one of the funny bugs I like is the Gandhi AI in civilisation. Whenever a country reaches the democracy states, it's agression score is diminished by 2. Since Gandhi starts at 1, he should go to -1, but the code doesn't allow it, so it glitches and grants Gandhi a 255 score of agression, making him a nuclear war freak. The game dev loved it and kept it in the final version of the game.

[@emanuelcr777]

Guy trying to debunk evolution: "The Bible, on the other hand, makes perfect sense of what we observe in nature" Forrest (reading the Bible): "And the donkey said to Balaam..." I just burst out laughing 🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂 Wow, the denial in the these people is out of this world. But, seriously, it's stuff like this that has stopped societies in time for hundreds, thousands of years. Let's not let this happen again. Awesome video as always Forrest! Keep it up! 👍

[@Llortnerof]

The Bible doesn't even make perfect sense when taken by itself. But that's what you get when somebody takes a story book written by dozens of people and treats it as the infallible word of a god.

[@traildude7538]

@@Llortnerof It does if you approach it objectively and read it or the ancient literature that it is -- it only fails to make sense when you treat it the way the young-earth Creationists do, ignoring that the Old Testament was written in what is so different from English as to be an alien language (Hebrew) by people with an alien worldview writing in what are sometimes bizarrely different forms of literature. They also had different approaches to teaching, my favorite being "teaching by contradiction", where someone would purposely set out two incompatible statements in order that the student would have to figure out how to resolve them. Heck, they didn't even treat genealogies the same way; to them it was perfectly acceptable to leave out the losers in the family tree or to skip a generation or three to make balanced lists, or to say that a king reigned for a year when it was just four months, or to speak of the lengths of events where the numbers used were symbolic and had nothing to do with time on a calendar.... Any time you encounter someone who is approaching the Bible like it was their best friend's great-grandfather's diary.... RUN!

[@traildude7538]

Emanuel CR , From someone whose preferred method of reading the Old Testament is in the original Hebrew, I cringed at that bit: the story doesn't work unless you recognize that donkeys don't ordinarily talk, so that story isn't an indication of how they saw the world. Though the flip side of that is that the creationist guy would also misread the story as showing that God did miracles all over the place, so "explaining" something with "science" that requires forty-two miracles to make one thing work doesn't faze them in the least. As a rabbi once explained it to some other graduate students and I, the point of the story is that "Balaam was a total ass".

[@Llortnerof]

@@traildude7538 I think you're failing to consider the context here. We know the Bible can't be read that way. They don't quite seem to grasp that it can't be used as an argument against natural sciences theories or why. This isn't really about the Bible. It's about the abuse YECs heap on it. And i'd disagree that it makes perfect sense even when treated as the ancient literature it is; the contradictions just aren't really that important anymore. It's still an old book written by dozens of authors over several centuries. Some stories aren't going to quite mesh up or collide in their teachings simply because people changed in between and don't have quite the same opinions about things or context got lost.

[@SeedsnStems63]

As a Gardener I saw one of my plant express polyploidy with a double thick stalk that split into a 2 separate stalks at about the 2nd nodes

[@waffles3629]

I love the vibe of "Angry scientist debunks stupidity"

[@maynardmckillen9228]

"...and all of its works, and all of its false promises, and all of its evil ways..." 😂

[@Sarisjackoviak1815]

Lol​@MrbaldRevell

[@wouldlovemyownname]

snarky, fearful evolution loving scientist

[@robertkadrich3107]

@@wouldlovemyownname?

[@jeregamm]

"You can just assume I did the five feet thing a bunch" had me rolling on the floor.

[@riluna3695]

Not the first time I've heard this particular approach, but possibly the best version of it I've seen yet. Best here meaning "most capable of tricking people". Calvin does a pretty decent job of describing natural selection and mutation, but keeps them deliberately separate so that he can dismiss each one by appealing to its incompleteness. Natural Selection is a real and true thing, he says, but it can't explain where it gets the new information it selects from. And it can't...alone. That's mutation's domain. And sure mutation is a real and true thing, he says, but if you only ever change things randomly, you'll just screw everything up! Mutation's randomness can't account for how species keep getting more complex and better suited to their environments! And it can't...alone. That's natural selection's domain. They're both happening at the same time, at ALL times. Each of them beautifully solves the complaint he has for the other, so he can't talk about them both at once. He has to keep them separate, do one first and the other later, so you miss the fact that they solve each other's problems. It's a very clever trick, because it LOOKS like he's steel-manning evolution. A lot of apologist explanations of how these things work will sound not the least bit familiar when you hear what an actual biologist says about what they know and how they know it, because they heavily misrepresent what the biologists are saying about it. But when you hear the actual story of evolution, it sounds an awful lot like all the things Calvin just described and showed the flaws in. So it's harder for people to immediately see that the story is very different (and much more sensible) than what their own kind has told them it is. It sounds superficially the same, so you think "I've heard this and already see the flaws in it", rather than thinking "wait, that doesn't sound at ALL like what I was told!" Thus: A more clever trick than most. But that doesn't stop it from still being a misrepresentation, and the flaws in his argument are there to be found if you actually look. All it actually does is do a better job of tricking the people who never check for themselves.

[@PeerAdder]

Which is why it's so dangerous and why we should be grateful that someone as well informed and erudite as Forrest takes the trouble to pull it to shreds.

[@aazhie]

Evolution is fairly complex. If I had a disassembled card I would NOT be able to connect it properly. Thus, I trust a well trained mechanic probably can help me understand it.

[@traildude7538]

He made me think of a guy I encountered online who has a biology degree yet insists that mutations are irrelevant to evolution.... and that any mutations that are beneficial always develop after a change in environment.

[@pvpunderstood]

holy fk creation man actually didnt take bio in high school he doesnt know what a mutation is

[@morganwhaley9119]

39:29 I can totally imagine Ken Ham trying to defend himself in criminal court by using the "were you there?" argument when presented with evidence that he committed a crime.

[@yoshi6421]

I have literally been told in a different video's comment section that evidence for a murder and evidence for evolution is a false equivalence, because one is empirical, and the other is.... not? Somehow? Lol

[@leothenomad5675]

Darkmatter2525 did a video on that premise but using Ken Ham as the victim of the crime. kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y326YWmalttqgaM

[@Catalin-Stefan]

He will gonna say "only god knows that I didn't killed that person" while being escorted to the car and scream "they try to lock the voice of god" and other stuff like this.

[@jb888888888]

DarkMatter2525 has a video where Ken's house is broken into and there's all this evidence, but nobody witnessed what happened. kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y326YWmalttqgaM

[@CartoonHero1986]

I love how Creationists think Evolution looks like something out of Pokemon when talking about "creatures changing" like all of a sudden the creature starts glowing and shifts into a new predetermined form and go on living; instead of evolution through generations of mutations.

[@jeremylondei1845]

And they are also saying that digimon doesn't work because your dinosaur or cat can't become a men or woman!

[@k.m.sparks1190]

Yep. They think it's like superhero rp, where having like 15% dragon dna gives an altered bone structure with additional wing bones and claws, telepathy, the ability to summon things to your hand, and the ability to turn into a dragon entirely

[@traildude7538]

It's because they don't understand that organisms don't evolve, species do.

[@wesbeuning1733]

Or they think it's a Transformers cartoon.

[@k.m.sparks1190]

@@wesbeuning1733 lmao true, they act as if it's the quantum surge in beast wars

[@NinjaMonkeyPrime]

15:05 Darwin was unaware of how animal breeding worked. 17:58 Darwin often used animal breeding as an analogy for evolution. You'd think that at least the actor would point out the problem with the script.

[@AndroidHarris]

I cant believe i believed in a book for all of my childhood and young adulthood that had a talking donkey in it.

[@lagartino5093]

Better late than never!

[@kolbysorensen3553]

As a recent exmormon learning about how evolution actually works is amazing, thank you

[@Chris-hx3om]

You may have already seen it, but there's a great channel called 'GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic'. He's basically a fundamentalist Baptist who went to university to learn as much as he could about biology (and everything that entails, like evolution) so he had the tools to 'convince' non-believers that evolution and the current understanding of biology is wrong, and why religion got it right... He's an atheist now, but his journey from the dark side was long and painful. He's well worth a sub. Great guy.

[@Drghost1235]

​@@Chris-hx3om I gotta agree with you. I never got to see him at his religious stage, but his pure facts are always informational and just as good as this youtuber's.

[@sentient_dinosaurplush]

ngl these videos are the only reason i do well in my biology class

[@bless_M]

They’re so good, I’m studying at uni and love watching these debate styled videos, as they challenge my knowledge too, I like seeing if I can also debunk the claims along with Forrest while watching 😊

[@mininduperera]

"Answers in genesis is a reputable organization" has the same vibe as "Brutus is a honourable man" 😆

[@daftwulli6145]

Brutus stopped a tyrant from destroying a democracy, how is not honorable ?

[@mininduperera]

@@daftwulli6145 did he though? The republic was gone a few decades later thanks to Augustus. The political system was broken at that time. All Brutus did was get exploited by the senate. He was a self righteous idiot, definitely not honourable.

[@daftwulli6145]

@@mininduperera So that he failed makes him dishonorable ? What a werid logic. By that same logic all the people in germany who tried to stop hitler where dishonorable since he got to power anyway.

[@christophermonteith2774]

Your giving them too much credit, Brutus arguably did something good

[@paxanimi3896]

Annoyingly Incompetent Group

[@Nn-3]

That apologist guy looks so smug in spite of barely understanding the material he is discussing.

[@andyspillum3588]

It is truly wild how immune to irony they are, I think they take the fact that they do or think something horrible, then that's proof that everyone does it, cuz they're not horrible people, there's no way they are wrong/horrible/on the wrong side, they're the "godly ones"

[@kevinmurphy65]

Got to remember this presentation is purposefully light on the depth so that "smart creationists" can step back and say "Oh...yeah. I get it now"

[@bobthebox2993]

Definitely my favorite "creationist debunking youtuber" because I feel like you're actually taking the time to listen to the arguments of the people you cover, understand what they're saying and then give a rational explanation addressing the meat of what they said.

[@tricksterjoy9740]

Gotta understand how and why they lack the understanding of basic science. What led to it, and how to prevent it in the future.

[@diarmuidkuhle8181]

In that case, you're gonna like Logicked. Check him out.

[@mrboowok3816]

I my self have visible evidence of random mutation on my body, both my parents have blue eyes their parents have either blue or green eyes my sister has blue eyes with a mix of green. I have blue eyes, HOWEVER, in my left eye there is a splotch of brown and I still have perfect good vision. Therefore, a random mutation has not harmed me. 👁️👄👁️👍