I watched Victoria's Secret 2023 show so you don't have to

[@zoeunlimited]

What did you like or not like about the new show?🪽

[@anhelinasv]

allow every girl love ourselves for who we are, love our body and don't judge for anything, just let us enjoy life and be acceptanced

[@mhdkh7407]

There was no trans models

[@whiskeyjames23]

They didn't really "sexy-fy" different body types, like I wanted to see, but malformed in an artistice way. I don't think I could wear infront of my boyfriend in the way they changed it. It was a "sexy brand" for the male gaze, now their portrayal is a femme revolution in some sort? Rejecting past ways of sexy-ness to uphear to what they think inclusive is. God, just give me a corset in my size ya know 😢

[@lizleary101]

It's so Jewish. Nasty goyim having fun and being beautiful. Tikkum Olam it right now! Oy vey!

[@aldynjadeguabna2561]

Gigi Hadid and the beautiful Miranda Kerr!

[@milkbread5036]

They could have kept the old Victoria Secret show with the color and sparkles but with more inclusive bodies and races. They didn't have to take away the femininity of it all :/

[@m.saavedramena9533]

They did it on purpose. It's a message. It's revenge.

[@extrastout1741]

exactlyyyyy!!!!!!!

[@brittney3156]

100% what I was thinking

[@brittney3156]

That could have been fun and gorgeous!

[@ErikaVonSchwartz]

​@@brittney3156could have at least kept the wings as... you know WINGS. Not concepts of wings.

[@ahmarindungu9010]

One thing I don’t understand is when brands become inclusive they become boring Why do they intentionally dress bigger bodies so wrong and unflattering ???

[@shelby6]

Not to mention how ugly those clothes were that they put on the curvier women

[@irisdyrhaug1985]

This! It’s like they think that by including bigger bodies that they have to pretend that beauty ideals don’t exist period and just dress everyone all dumpy and weird…. Except the lineup of the typical looking models that get to keep their look 🤔 It’s ok to be a classically glamorous brand, just apply that glamour to people of all different shapes, sizes, ethnicities, genders, etc.

[@ily279]

agree with this comment!

[@arushi7168]

IDK MAYBE BCS OBESITY IS WRONG AND UNFLATTERING JUST GUESSING THO

[@ahmarindungu9010]

@@arushi7168 not everyone wtb a big body is obese some people just have body parts that hold more fat As much as some starve themselves they will always have big thighs, arms ….ect

[@funkpistol1470]

its like as if VS is saying "being inclusive is boring...if you want inclusivity, we are going to remove the desire factor because including everyone isn't desirable"

[@madisonj5136]

Not VS, it’s y’all

[@Dianawazhere]

@@madisonj5136 exactly people keep pointing fingers at everyone else but themselves they want a diverse this is a diver

[@mayan.4137]

I think "they dress the models to look as ugly is possible" sounds harsh, but it’s very much justified when you see the outfits. Almost all of the curvy models have bras and accessories that don't fit them. If half of their breast is getting pushed out of the bra it's not the right size and in my opinion it just supports the view, that VS isn't for people with more curves. Good lingerie shouldn't cut into your flesh, but instead hug you, which a lot of these outfits aren’t accomplishing

[@mickeylou127]

@@tintin121 I completely agree anytime people ask for diversity and inclusivity I feel like they dress those models up and this goes for any brand ugly on purpose because they really didn’t want to do it

[@vociferonheraldofthewinter2284]

Exactly

[@Mielikkiii]

this is what I was thinking - how can I expect from a company that they make bras that fit properly, when they can't even do that for their models?

[@irisdyrhaug1985]

This!! I can’t help feel like it’s a bit convenient for them to normalize ill fitting lingerie for bigger people - almost like they want to lower expectations.

[@Emina91]

YES

[@theprincesszenitadiaries]

Bring back the Angels! We never wanted the Angels gone, we just wanted them to start representing the beautiful diversity of women, simple.

[@ErikaVonSchwartz]

Diversity isn't beautiful... remember that

[@vociferonheraldofthewinter2284]

"we just wanted them to start representing the beautiful diversity of women..." ... In a feminine and beautiful way.

[@gohan12991]

Well we saw the diversity and it doesn't look that good

[@Angelssiq]

The unhealthy ones ?

[@theresadong9269]

but angels are meant to be unrealstic unattainable cosmic projections of beauty. The wings were earned.

[@chalyndajackson9384]

Disagree about the comments being too harsh. Every single negative comment is right. The outfits don't fit, and were so ugly. The models themselves should not get any hate or shame. I'm only referring to what they were forced to wear. The doc/show thing was weird and WHAT IS WITH THOSE BODY SUIT/SHIRT THING??? SO freaking weird. This was awful. But I do agree with what you said on Nightline, just have the plus size models wear the beautiful lingerie the thin models wore back in the day. Keep the over the top glam and sparkle and fun. Keep the beautiful wings and themed lingerie. And keep the musical act. LITERALLY JUST ADD MORE DIVERSITY IN YOUR MODELS. That's all they had to do.

[@sportluver98]

Amen

[@madisonj5136]

The outfits were cute but we’re marketed to the wrong clients

[@achiibat9466]

I felt like the brand was saying "if you don't look like the previous models, then you don't actually get to deserve glitz and glamour". They just had to do what they've been doing before (the extravagant fantasy that we loved), but just include models of different sizes. Showcase that glamour on different bodies. This time around, it looked as if they were purposely "uglifying" the show? Like, what is this balenciaga-looking-aesthetic we're getting?

[@a_bamble8328]

Yes 🙌 this is exactly what I was thinking!! The problem was never the show, the show was so much fun! They just needed to bring it into 2023 and include ALL shapes and sizes dressed beautifully!

[@alexialira3839]

The "previous models" are still there wdym lol The aesthetic that's been the craze for a few years is gray's, blacks, more gray, cold, unisex and "gender neutral" so that's what they did to pander to the woke "theys them and zyr's." Now tears are being shed because they didn't use enough traditional feminine things like pinks, diamonds, glitter and more glitter lmaooo 🤪 Now because of the crying done initially by the wokes, no one gets nice things in the end. Side note, I find it funny no one wants inclusivity at Lane Bryant or Torrid.

[@skylar2173]

I thought the whole issue was with vs being unrealistic?? They made it realistic. Y’all wanted real and mundane. They gave it to you

[@MissFunky98]

@@alexialira3839this comment is so unnecessary. Why attack someone who obviously states that they’re upset with the show and throw them into some made up generalisation that truly only shows that you don’t seem to have a lot of contact to lgbtqai+ people. Most of them are the most vibrant people I’ve ever met. No matter which gender.

[@MissFunky98]

@@skylar2173 I think it’s quite obvious that they don’t have an issue with it being fairytale like glam but why can’t there be a fat fairy?

[@panangle]

I can’t get over how badly the bras fit some of the models when it’s a show for a lingerie company. Shouldn’t the fit be impeccable? And yes, I know they probably don’t actually sell those model’s sizes in their stores. They have expanded their size range recently, but it still excludes me (34H) and many other women.

[@ashleyharris3720]

This. This is the thing that stood out to me most.

[@vociferonheraldofthewinter2284]

And me. (38A unfortunately)

[@sassynfree884]

“Personal style” (and the word “style” is a stretch). Put them in outfits that FIT FFS!

[@Willowy13]

Unpopular opinion, but they don't have to cater to everyone's size. Where will it stop? Should they have lingerie for someone that needs 3 seats in a plane? No. As an obese woman losing weight, I don't want brands catering to me. My medical bill is proof enough it's not health for anyone (doctors and bigphharma otherwise) and the more brands normalize this more people will be "lazy" enough to stay like this.

[@sassynfree884]

@@Willowy13 I agree with you but if you watched the show, it was nothing more than a mockery of the whole concept. Why NOT cater to larger bodies and even trannies if they want, BUT…why make them look clownish and appalling? I know several very obese women who are just beautiful inside and out. Some can even pull off a nice lacy piece of lingerie WITHOUT looking ridiculous or clownish. And yes, the HEALTH implications are personal and specific to each person and should be the ONLY thing a person on the outside could/should maybe concern themselves with (IF it’s their business at all).

[@patsysolatzzo2962]

It feels like Victoria secret said “you cant all look beautiful, we had beautiful, and we’re not shelling it out for the average person. We give you mid because your feelings are too sensitive”.

[@vociferonheraldofthewinter2284]

I would've appreciated 'mid,' actually. This was not even that. smh

[@Chanelita-z7y]

Say it louder pls!!! They are petty.

[@Cartoonandanimelove1]

The new show is simply disgusting. The clothes are ugly, the vibe is trashy. Vs used to be elevated, magical, fantasy, all while having unique harmonious outfits. I don’t get why they couldn’t keep that while incorporating various body shapes. I literally never felt self conscious watching VS shows. I thought they were meant to be unrealistic fantasies. Sparkles, music, concerts, angel wings. I find it crazy that people actually thought this is what they were supposed to be like in real life. Yes, they lacked body shape diversity, but I knew they were models and models are a very specific type of body. It’s almost like they want to make the public disgusted of diversity so we revert back to how it was before. Plus size models deserve outfits as unique and stunning as the angels used to have.

[@Ratsfrom42]

agree 100%

[@SocialExperiment232]

Well thanks to the jealousy of some women we can’t have nice things anymore. I liked that it was a fantasy. I liked how exotic looking the models were, unlike anything you saw just walking around. But since some couldn’t learn to be happy for their fellow women (which honestly modeling is about one of the only things where it’s good if a woman is that tall… but they couldn’t even let them have that) and they made it so the models look like regular people and now the show it’s boring. Y’all got what y’all asked for.

[@itsalwayshalloweenexceptwh5118]

@@SocialExperiment232It wasn't jealousy. People want representation and people want to see more than just one body type, VS doesn't need to remove their old slim models to do that. VS could have gotten some beautiful mid size and plus sized models and glammed them up and included them in their old formula. You sound like you have some very skewed and negative views on women dude.

[@SocialExperiment232]

@@itsalwayshalloweenexceptwh5118 hmmm funny that it’s only for modeling. I don’t see anyone riling up in solidarity that tall women are not allowed in gymnastics, or that short women aren’t allowed in basketball… why is it only modeling that hurts your feelings? Ah right cause you couldn’t handle it that someone that didn’t look like you was being called pretty. No one ever said short thick women weren’t pretty. In fact thick women have been the “standard” many times in history, including the past 20 years where women have been pumping themselves with silicon trying to look thicker. They just don’t make as good a models because being tall and slim just wears clothes better. It’s a simple reality that seems to be sooo insulting to women. The fact that they put that much value into what a fashion ad said that they were willing to hurt themselves to attain it say’s more about women themselves then the industry overall. But sure I’m the one with skewed views.

[@SocialExperiment232]

@@itsalwayshalloweenexceptwh5118 also not everyone was crying about being represented. That’s just a very loud minority online that has made it so that movies and tv nowadays are nothing more than tedtalks about real life problems instead of a fantasy we all escaped to. But oh well, hope “seeing yourself” on screen is more important than watching a movie with an original script and substance.

[@Ashley-nf6hf]

I really don’t understand why so many people wanted to cancel Victoria’s Secret so badly because I personally (And i know a lot of women feel that way) never felt insecure seeing Victoria’s Secret angels (and I’ve been watching it since I was 9 year old). I simply admired them and happy and beautiful to be a girl like them. It even gave me a confidence boost to walk around like them and just dream of becoming one of them.

[@timwiesenfeld8031]

This! Just this. I dont need all this representation onstage. Its enoigh in the stores.

[@charlee_hotel]

I never felt *_insecured_* with the models *THEMSELVES.* I am still a priestess of the Brazilian Holy Trinity Church: Gisele, Adriana and Alessandra. *HOWEVER!!!!!* I am still very appaled *AND* grossed out by Lex Wexner (close friend of Epstein and Maxwell) and Ed Razek (because, y'know, I #listentoallwomen ). Heck, you can find Gigi Hadid's old VS Show audition tape. She looks rather grossed out over having to hug Ed Razek.

[@archangeljophiel2019]

​@@charlee_hotel The holy trinity??? Those are just three women.

[@annierminx]

@@archangeljophiel2019 are you slow

[@archangeljophiel2019]

@annierminx Are you a screw up person? No one should use blasphemy. I don't care who you are. I'm sorry your parents didn't raise you right to never idolize anyone, but praise only your creator.

[@moonshadow6430]

how fun is it that the high-paid models are in natural tones, luxurious textures and the unknown ones are more often saw as a "artistic mess".

[@PersonS6]

Probably a slightly unpopular opinion but I really think victorias secret was fine the way it was. Not everything needs to be for everyone. It sold a fantasy. All the women on the runway have that etherial look. They all looked like they could fit right in with the elves in lord of the rings or the amazon from wonderwoman. It's a very specific body type and thats fine as long as we recognise that it's not the only beautiful bodytype. What I think we needed to do is not cancel victorias secret but create other fashion shows and brands that show the beauty of different body types and leave VS be. For example Marilyn Monroe is seen as one of the most beautiful women who ever lived but she wouldn't fit in with victorias secret. In my opinion if you allow that kind of diversity it just isn't victorias secret anymore and takes away from the fantasy. I do however have to say that the alleged general toxicity of the brand would have needed to change. Also let the women have a healthy weight so they don't all lose their periods. I never understood why that kept being a thing. The models gaining some weight wouldn't take anything from their beauty and would actually enhance it in many cases.

[@neffyg35]

I loved the old VS show. Like it was ultra glam that my heart loved! For me I never took it to heart that I wasn't a glamazon but I loved living in that fantasy.

[@alondra2317]

I agree.

[@fatimagrano-salazar8843]

The only valid comment period.

[@AndreaMartinez-yx6zv]

Amen to this comment and I 💯 agree

[@taiyabazaheer9492]

I agree with this comment. I just couldn't stand the fact that the old men behind the show were extremely toxic to the models. The fact that they called Barbara Palvin and Gigi Hadid 'plus size' just because they were thin but not starving is disturbing. They were actively promoting eating disorders. They made a post partum Adriana Lima starve before the show. If they had healthy standards of fit bodies then I wholeheartedly would support them. No offence but runway models must be thin and tall and I say that as a short girl but VS was crossing the line.

[@irisdyrhaug1985]

How can people running these brands be so dense? The issue was DIVERSITY in HUMANS, not that feminine underwear is wrong and needs to be surrounded by unrelated headache inducing nonsense. Literally just make the same shit you always have but make it for everyone (especially the 2/3 of the population that’s been neglected by the entire industry). By changing everything so drastically all at once, you’re still excluding all of those other demographics from the classic angel aesthetic (in favor of more edgy fashions that have *nothing* to do with VS) which is what everyone wanted in the first place. It’s like if all of your siblings get a birthday cake, but when it’s finally your birthday and your turn to get one, everyone is over cake and decides you should all go out for coffee instead… and then are left wondering why you still feel excluded. When are people going to realize how ridiculously simple yet radical basic inclusivity is. Make underwear that actually fits a bigger range of bodies. Show those bodies wearing the underwear. Boom. Someone is getting paid way too much to spin all the wheels in every direction except the one people actually want.

[@macairhead5137]

You can’t sell some sizes for the same price as the ‘regular’ ones. Fact. So you don’t carry those sizes to prevent the ‘discrimination’ bs. Also, you can’t use the same fabric when tons of support or stretch is needed.

[@irisdyrhaug1985]

@@macairhead5137 They can design things for bigger bodies - using said fabric and creating said support. Larger people deserve lingerie too. The ‘cost of materials’ excuse is complete BS. Do you know how little these things cost to produce compared to how much they charge? They have the resources.

[@dahyunthedubu4011]

Their “solution” was to remove the whole foundation of their company and branding(which is the feminine, angel vibe), and basically attempt to remove the whole entire idea of an ideal body type. By doing that+changing the aesthetic of their company, it seems as though VS is implying that they do not want to admit that any body type can feel sexy, rather saying that if you want diversity, I’ll do it *buttt* I’m not going to allow for the same Angel aesthetic because I still believe that it is unachievable by anyone other than that 1% who have the curvy and skinny figure.

[@theresadong9269]

@@macairhead5137 which is why there should be different demographics and target audiences and why brands shouldn't be expected to carry everything

[@tamashisushiismysoulmate5854]

I used to watch VS fashion shows just so I could cut down on snacking and get myself to wake up early so I could do a 1-hour morning swim. It was the best time of my life. I was healthy and happy and confident enough to talk to good-looking people without shaming myself, all because of VS and thier angels. VS had helped me so much through my teenage years. I used to have VS show tracks in my ears during my exercises and everytime when I was getting ready for a girl night out I just turned on the fashion shows and I felt so empowered. Now, I miss the old VS so much as I feel that I've lost the help of confidence that I could get by simply just watching those beautiful angels.

[@butcher_banana3745]

The fact that they just have to do the same thing but just put diverse models on the runway but they need to change the entire concept… Show that they very don’t understand inclusivity at all for them it’s another world/ concept or “HOW??!!”

[@achiibat9466]

Exactly! I felt as if they were saying "people who don't look like the previous models don't deserve glitz and glamour"

[@cyberspace7208]

It wouldn't look the same e

[@magalie-g6o]

Ikr! They really went from one extreme to another if they just treated the models with respect and didn't force the already genetically gifted slim models to starve or overexercise like before most of us would've been happy esp since respect is hard to earn in this industry

[@annierminx]

@@cyberspace7208 It very much would. All kinds of women *do* look glamorous when they dress up for it.That's literally all glamour is about, *looking* eye-catching and gorgeous. The fact that you would equate that to their body types is very telling...

[@cyberspace7208]

@annierminx They look glamorous in their eyes and maybe sometimes in the eyes of those who love them. Not to everyone else. It wouldn't look the same to a woman with tons of rolls and folds and a stomach hanging wearing what normal VS models have worn. To me and most likely to most. That's why many didn't like what they saw this time. This was a move away from conventional femininity and was supposed to be great and all but everyone thought it was ugly.

[@_RoseGold_]

✨Zoe is not pregnant, but she always delivers✨

[@astrose4442]

From your video, it just seems like they dressed the « typical angels » really well and elegant whereas if they were not of that body type, they did them dirty. It did seem cheap and not fitting while they could have clearly made them glamorous and sexy if they wanted to too. From that aspect, VS is just proving their lack of acceptance of diversity by dressing them up that way

[@madisonj5136]

Actually it wasn’t Victoria secret, it was fashion designer Michaela. It was a collaboration. That’s her art work and I’m personally a fan of her work. Her work is more for the artistic high fashion clientele, than the general public

[@ilovefrogs3141]

Not me who totally forgot that there was a show again this year????

[@tammystiletto]

Relatable 😅

[@zoeunlimited]

BAHAHAHAHAHA

[@CordeliaWagner]

I stopped caring when they forced diversity on the shows, it ruined the whole idea of giving a dreamlike perfection.

[@jadebe80]

I have the unpopular opinion that VS never needed to change or be cancelled. Other brands took on diversity, the market called for it. They could have continued their legacy just fine

[@heyitscjj]

That’s what I’m saying

[@peterd5502]

absolutely!

[@Willowy13]

Yeah. I am obese (on the way down). The Angels were incentive to loose weight... not to look like them but to have a healthy body. VS had M sized clothes and it should be enough. You want a VS? Have a body for it. Stop ballooning and you will get inside a M sized lingerie just fine. You don't? There are other brands that cater to us. In the other side, brands are on the business of bending over for 2 y old having temper tantrums on X. I think one of the few that didn't do so was Dior that kept Johnny Depp despite the accusations that later proved to be untrue. pdoMickey lost its Jack Sparrow (for now) though😂.

[@bellemyjade686]

YAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!! 📢

[@PhotoJeticPoet]

YES!

[@nikolaa1625]

I mean I’ve never felt insecure about my body because of chicks on the screen. I’ll never be a supermodel, just like 99.9% of girls, that doesn’t mean I’m not beautiful. I will also never be a professional guitar player, because I can’t play the guitar, that doesn’t mean I’ll start screaming at music producers to include more talentless people, it also doesn’t mean I’ll start seeing myself differently. Modeling is a job for a specific group of people, every job requires some skills that not every person may have. So I don’t really understand this rage towards blonde bombshell 180 cm tall women. However they could’ve given them some better clothes, these pieces are ugly as hell

[@hiddenmutant]

Yeah, the only people who made me insecure growing up were people actually in my life. I wasn't even going in VS because we were poor lol.

[@starsfall3916]

Exactly!!!

[@thetorontogirl]

I used to come into VS stores and it felt like luxury. The stores were beautiful. Products were beautiful. And even as a plus size girl I felt like I was able to find my size. I still have an old bra from them that I refuse to throw out. It's in my closet and it feels like some lost piece of treasure of what uses to be the old VS. It made me feel sexy and like I honestly had a secret. I grew up from using La Senza to Victoria Secret and it was almost like transitioning from teenagehood into womanhood. It felt grown up and sophisticated. But this...rebranding is just sad. It's almost like a little bratty kid saying, "oh you want me to do this when I wanna do this?! You wanna discipline me??! Well HERE! This is what you get. YOU did this!" It's insulting because it's almost like they're saying including other types of body shapes is somehow a crime and they're disgusted so they'll do their best to sabotage the entire brand and what they sold by making those who don't fit into their inital mode look and feel ugly. The new items are simply unflattering and it's far far from what the clothes used to look like. Where are the sparkles, the sexy lace? Does no one deserve to look and feel good except for the 6ft tall blonde ladies? If they refuse to get with the times then we won't get with them. I have a four year old daughter and I want her to grow up feeling amazing in her own skin and not feel like she's excluded. If this is what VS thinks being inclusive is then I don't want it. Let it die.

[@dontlookhere454]

Its not flattering if you see average day to day people on a runway representing lingerie and underwear, the VS models are called 'angels' because NOT EVERYBODY can be them. I most likely wouldnt be able to be a model like that, but i dont feel excluded just because they dont include my type of body in their shows. Its amazing and flattering to watch if literally STUNNING women are on the runway and have that 'angelic' and 'unachievable' look. You cant please everybody, get over it

[@ЖаннаАракелян-г2щ]

💯💯💯👍

[@heyitscjj]

The whole point of it was to show the fun, bubbly, girly feeling of what it’s like to be a VS model as a young woman. I never expect the models to look like me and that’s because it was the “fantasy” of it all. The outfits didn’t represent what we all thought it was going to represent, there was no bts of them going in hair and makeup, no clips of them getting their wings, no themes, no clips of them talking about what it’s like to be a VS angel, etc. It was a joke of a fashion show, and they should’ve stuck with the original script

[@charlottebacana4048]

I think that all they needed to do was keep with the fantasy and the glamour of the old shows but with more inclusive bodys

[@suisenshirasaki8298]

Regular bodies just don't look as glamorous or alluring in the same lingerie. There's a reason runway models have certain physical traits, it's because they can pull off a wide range of silhouettes while looking good.

[@annierminx]

@@suisenshirasaki8298 what a wordy way of showing off your fatphobia

[@javierlopez9789]

​@@annierminxfatphobia doesnt exist, get your lazy ass to the gym and stop complaining.

[@shepherdmom6126]

​@@suisenshirasaki8298Fit shaming. It's very real.

[@Willowy13]

@@annierminx I am obese and fat people should be shamed, including by the medical bills they will pay. I have mine and I am going down exactly to stop feeding bigpharma pockets with my damaged health. Solve the issue that is keeping you this way and go back to a healthy body. If you don't want to do it, that is your problem, but the world has no obligation to bend over to your demands.

[@neffyg35]

How is it that a brand that specializes in bras not fitting these models in bras that fit them. There is pushed up and then there is spillage and fat escaping anyway it can

[@danic2514]

It was an artistic decision. The artist who helped designed a show makes art that is meant to mold the body in unconventional ways. It is meant to destigmatize the existence of stuff like rolls, stretch marks, skin, and fat in general.

[@neffyg35]

@@danic2514 it didn't help. Everything just looked ill-fitting and not flattering

[@ebelinbuitrago2858]

@@danic2514 Bad decision. If you want to sell lingerie, the worst thing that can happen is that the models' bras don't fit well.

[@AnxMa]

Just wanted to share; as someone who has battled insecurities and had a - modest - modeling career, to anyone who's ever been a victim of hate / violence because of their appearance, gender, orientation, race: DO NOT ever let a hateful notion 'there's something wrong with me' sink in. Trust me, it's a recipe for self hatred. When we suffer and we need a break, it's only natural to think: maybe if I wasn't 'different', if I was 'normal' I would be accepted. No, haters will always find something else to prey upon. I've always had kinda androgynous look, which was a fuel for bullies when I was growing up. I embraced it, used it to my advantage in my acting / modeling career, I was almost the face of Leon in these new Resident Evil games :) Beware of extremely toxic people around you who can see your potential and value but will drag you down with intent and hideus determination, when they notice a slightest sign of insecurity.

[@what_equals_42]

The problem with the old Victoria's Secret was that because only one, extreme body type was represented, the majority of women were the wrong size for how the products were presented. All VS had to do to fix this was to show their products on women of different shapes and sizes, and to make the products look good on different body types. How do you mess up something so straightforward?

[@LittleBluebirdFireheart]

I agree. I myself struggled a long time with eating disorder and thought only my xxs size was worthy. I remember once I was shopping with a friend and wanted to try a dress and the saleswoman looked at me and said "Hun those clothes are for people with curves not bones and skin like VS cocaine chic models" I've got even more insecure with my body. I think they only needed to add women of all kind of body shapes and show people that they too can wear it. Every woman wants to feel sexy and wear lingerie that fits them. Clothes should fit your body and not the way around. That's the message they've missed by doing this weird show. And also it's not the models fault, they literally just wear what they tell em to wear😅

[@Willowy13]

They didn't have to change one feet. And I am obese. They were a fantasy and shouldn't have to "represent" everyone outside of what they defined as the body type they needed. Where does the representation end? Should they have lingerie for a women that needs 3 seats on a plane? You want a VS? Have a body for it? It is not like there aren't other brands out there doing quality lingerie for a broader audience. The problem here is that VS needed to be taken down for being "problematic" according to 2 y old having temper tantrums for "representation" on X. Here the brand is.

[@CapELarry]

Yup. And the majority of football fans will never be as big or athletic as an NFL player. So we should shut it down, right??

[@Ykoz2016]

I’m older so even though I also grew up with Victoria’s Secret (especially during high school years) I did not grow up with the 2000s Victoria’s Secret fashion show/ pink collection etc. I grew up with the 90s catalogue. Models were more curvy, and it felt different. (More curvy but NOT representative of the average body type, don’t get me wrong). Like the pictures suggested if you buy their products, those products will help you look like the model. Help you take what you have and display them in a pretty way? Not that you had to ALREADY look like the model to wear their products? (This is when the first wonder bra came out). And the clothes were classic basics. The underwear had lots of jewel tones, sateen and lace. The outerwear was always shot in gardens or near horses on some grand estate. It was all very French feeling (or what Americans envisioned France to be like). Like a weekend at some fancy country house. Like TS’s blank space MV. THAT was the exclusivity. And the catalogue wasn’t about showing a “brand concept” other then the location of the shoots. It was actual products actually for sale. It was more direct. You just loved the bras. But then came the 2000s and it changed. I honestly didn’t like it then. Models were way too thin, everything super tight, super small, super low waist. Bright cartoon colors, glitter, and rhinestones. It looked cheap to me. I think the style should be aspirational (especially for a clothing brand), not the bodies. And the show was a try hard. An “event”. More about the vibes then most of the clothes. Because after the show nobody talked much about the clothes (except the big stand-out, end-of-show, elaborate pieces. In the catalog days those would be in the holiday special.) They talked about the performances, the models, even the wings. But so few people said “wow, the new collection looks so cool!” It was more “wow, that show was so cool!”. I stopped shopping there around 2005? So I honestly don’t get it when people yearn for those times as the “good old days” and put it on a pedestal of high fashion. It seems to be mostly women who were girls/ teens during that time. So I think it’s more nostalgia for childhood. The whole era has a manufactured barbie doll feel to it (to me). This new show? I appreciate what they were trying to do but…..Even MORE “concept” and “vibes”. Even less clothes. And the clothes fit TERRIBLY. Nobody would see that and think “they will help me and my body look it’s best!”. They honest to god turned having a slightly bigger body into an abstract CONCEPT that could only be tackled by visionary quirky artists. Not just en everyday normal reality for most women. 🤦‍♀️ What on earth was so wrong with pretty clothes in a pretty place will make you feel pretty? It’s what their empire was built on. Making women feel special. I honest to god think they need to stop trying to big picture themselves to death, and go back to basics. Fix their problems at the root. Then build up from there. Obviously just my opinion and taste is subjective, so just my two cents 🤷‍♀️😂

[@missdezimichele]

I remember learning about the Women of Willendorf, a tiny statue dating over 30, 000 years old. She was worshipped as a goddess of love and sex, by shamans and priests, per dating pagans and druids. Your comment about abstract "concept" body being beautified a quirky artist made me think of her, the Women of Willendorf, as if only those skilled in magic can tame this bigger goddess energy.

[@MissFunky98]

I feel like brands don’t really understand what inclusivity is. It’s not about changing the game completely but letting everyone part take in the game. If you truly feel the need to change the game completely because that seems like the only way to have everyone take part it just shows you still cannot imagine everyone taking part in the original. Hence it shows how exclusive you still are.

[@madisonj5136]

They understand, I don’t think you guys do

[@evaphillips2102]

Victoria’s Secret Show was always exclusive, that was what made it such a glamorous event.

[@CandlelitCoffin]

@@evaphillips2102It could & would still be glamorous including girls that have more curves shouldn’t change that the point is sexy, beautiful, powerful which all women should feel I mean it is a lingerie brand it’s not like they don’t already sell the sizes that’s why Fenty took all their business

[@carelriffel6975]

I think they are doing this on purpouse. They want to bring back the Angels, but to make that, they have to make us hate their "new vision", so we say: "bring Angels back", and we did it, so they're really happy that the stragety worked. Remember: they have SOSOSOSOOO much money, and that comes with power and knowledge about "lower people" like us, and they know certain things about social manipulation (marketing), that we dont know.

[@sofiaferreira4337]

you aaaaaalways express yourself in such a clean and clear way aaaaaa i LOVE your videos, and you shared exactly my thoughts on this

[@kate0078]

Even though some models spoke out about how hard and even toxic the show and preparations were, I loved watching the old shows🫣

[@InGodITrust333]

Wish it was a better work environment but yes the old shows were 1000% better.

[@InGodITrust333]

Wish it was a better work environment but yes the old shows were 1000% better.

[@lllsss5585]

Victoria secret is saying that before the message sounded like "only gorgeous can dress up like this" but I think that now is as if saying " these girls are real so perhaps they have to look ugly". It's even worse

[@hayishkim9878]

When i first started getting Victoria’s Secret undergarments when i was a younger girl looking at the ads and shows made me feel like oh this is what femininity is like and it made me feel more confident and excited to wear it. But unfortunately for the new generation it won’t have the same impact it did for me. Truly saddening to see its demise.

[@blushinghyacinth269]

This was my EXACT experience! It gave me such a confidence boost

[@Willowy13]

Because the new generation are being fed the idea you can be a balloon and society better bend to you. VS had garments for women up a healthy body type.

[@hyemster2274]

feminity in real world is diverse and they will be able to see it. they won't starve themselves to fit into a certain standard of femininity. is this the experience you're worried this generation will be missing out?

[@juliathekitty125]

Your understanding of feminity is sad. You think being a feminine is being beautiful and having a hot body?? Get yourself off of this planet, you make me puke. 🤢

[@ursuletul2001]

I wonder what the older/original VS models think about this, like their genuine opinion.

[@mariaalejandramercado5812]

I used to do cardio watching the show. I loved the old shows, everything was beautiful and magical ❤

[@yaeltuttebel]

Yeah I miss them too, they should bring it back old school

[@sarakleinhenn3652]

As a women i want to see hot women wearing clothes. I wanna strive for that, they work out and take care of themselfs to the fullest. The Angels are peak fitness! Thats the point.

[@somnia9796]

99 % of women wont look like the models, even after working out and eating almost nothing.So it would be nice to see different bodytypes of women with a normal weight in the industry, instead of the models being extremely over- or underweight.

[@lidialindner2854]

I 100% agree with you, my mother and I used to watch the show a lot, we wanted to see beautiful women with amazing bodies because it was inspiring to us.

[@juliathekitty125]

​@@lidialindner2854inspiring to know that you will never look like one of these hot models 👍🤗

[@dontlookhere454]

​@@somnia9796Thats the point. Not everyone is fit for being a VS model, thats why they're 'angels'

[@Katherinevlogss]

Just wanted to let you know that most of the og vs models were extremely underweight and have even made statements many times talking about how long they would go without eating before shows, so don't masquerade it as health.

[@KellyAnnFolly]

It’s like in 13 going on 30… when the magazine needed a rebrand and Lucy made a super edgy campaign “fashion suicide”

[@18Aleziita]

Hahaha that was exactly my thought Feels like Lucy "won" In the industry

[@that-blue]

Zoe always has our back...always

[@earth2emma]

They rebranded without giving more sizes to customers. VS really thought: well as long as we have larger models, everything will be fine! No. Women just wanted to be able to purchase the same thing the model was wearing in their size! How in the heck does any company expect to sell products if their prospective customers can’t even fit into said product????

[@Exuberantlemon]

I really feel like you just helped heal something I had burried inside me that was causing a bit of body dysmorphia. Thank you so much Zoe ♡

[@gloriaemon6624]

I dont understand what was so hard about getting designers from marginalised communities to design the lingerie and then have a diverse set of models walk down the runway in them with up and coming locally known musical acts coming from each country performing and having an audience full of fans who applied online? genuinely the worse marketing I have seen in my life

[@JellyOnAPancakeAyyyy]

I agree

[@missquinn9562]

Exactly. The issue was about diversifying the people and not changing the show. It just seems backhanded because in my head, they don’t know how to fit bigger bodies in their normal show so they’re changing the whole show to something “basic”

[@Clownbabyworldtour]

VS was an aspirational brand. The exclusivity is what made it desirable. Inclusivity killed their vibe. Not to mention the fact that the marketing didn’t just appeal to women. Seeing beautiful lingerie on beautiful women made men want to shop there as well.

[@Willowy13]

Besides myself buying there, it was hotter when the boyfriend would buy there.

[@madisonj5136]

What a very simple minded conclusion 🙄

[@beautyqueenyo]

I definetely like seing clothes on someone who has a great body. Same clothes on a body worst looking than mine does not make me want to buy the stuff. The lingerie on average looking bodies does not look sexy or good enough as to give me the desire to buy it.

[@jihane4542]

EXACTLY thank you

[@DuskyFashionGoddess]

Just watched Victoria’s Secret 2024 fashion show and it looks like they still don’t want regular sized women on the runway.

[@taliahjohnson4138]

This looks dreadful. I loved the original VSFS when I was younger and I hate this new direction. The original fashion show was never supposed to be “realistic”. It was a big beautiful spectacle/fantasy and that's what made it iconic. Everyone keeps asking “Where's the glamour?” “we want the glamour” but what people don't realize, or aren't willing to admit, is that a lot of that glamour you remember came from being exclusive and largely unobtainable. Those girls were conventionally beautiful in a way that most average people aren't and had great bodies that most average people don't have. You guys want to make everything “inclusive” and “progressive”, which sounds good on paper, but there's nothing glamorous or interesting about everyday, normal people and things. The literal definition of glamorous is exotic, exciting, sexy etc. Also, for the record, I have a curvier body type but I'm 5’1. Im not a 5’10 glamazon and I never felt like I had to be. I can appreciate beauty that doesn't look like me and not feel inadequate. This is just not it.

[@InGodITrust333]

Agree

[@AshleyRorylaine]

I agree

[@Willowy13]

This whole thing is just progressive BS based on envy. VS was always a diverse brand. Naomi and Tyra anyone? But people want "representation" of borderline morbidly obese. In this way, no book should be sold because they can't represent all of us.

[@macairhead5137]

Well said. Representation does not ‘cure’ insecurity. That needs to come from within.

[@baronessboomer3865]

I absolutely DESPISE this! They should have kept the OG Angels show, added more body types & sizes. This was absolutely brand destroying!

[@lizh4862]

My only experience with VS was walking into the store at the mall when I was 19 and realizing the only bras in my size were push-ups (#tttc lol) with heavy wires and padding.. it made me feel kinda bad so I just never went back in. Love your videos Zoe!

[@VictorWyszkowski]

The new show literally reminds me of the landlord's dance recital from The Big Lebowski

[@Heaven13420]

I always use to love watching the OLD shows and imagined myself doing it one day. Body positivity doesn't have to be over weight and bodies that aren't properly flattered in the clothes... I don't care for the tiny, boney models only because i feel bad and have an idea of what they have to go through to keep their bodies that small. Ya they're beautiful but it isn't healthy and I don't think we gotta go to the opposite extreme. What about just a little bit of chub or some stretch marks, small and big chests, natural curly/flat/afro hair. Putting people on there who ar bigger is a good thought but even just looking at the the thumb nail I can say a lot of these models were placed in clothes that dont look flattering on their bodies. I wasn't even aware they started up the shows again until just now when I saw this video. It seems like it just lost the VS style and flair. I thought it was Awesome wjen they started making bigger clothes and I saw models/statues that matched my body. Im only 120lbs but still I'm not the idealistic tiny flat stomach girls they use to show. Just to clarify I have no issues with plus sized bodies, I just think the girls need to be put in flatering sexy outfits that don't look like they're being squished into.

[@RR-wm9us]

😂It makes a good Halloween costume. Just put on whatever and throw some makeshift wings and done.

[@Mgla_amiris]

watching it only bc zoe is difficult not to watch. Im far away from fashion world, but i guess looking at those previous doll angels would have only reinforced my insecurities. And the new collection has a perfect concept of inclusiveness. But I wish the clothes were really something people would wanna wear😅probably they should have used more conventional outfits for a start and then gradually make them weirder so that people get used to the idea that every girl is beautiful

[@wandawonderer1993]

They caved in to the body positivity movement just because the media is blasting them for it instead of continuously standing up to the movement. They should have stayed true to what they are and give us the fantasy. Being a supermodel today, the standards are too low and only a few are keeping up with the standards of a supermodel. I was screaming when I saw it where are the angels and their wings?!! 😠 This rebrand is too boring.

[@vesselagospodinova3038]

As a big girl I will say I like the old show, we just need the same runaway, but with different body types, not inly one, is it that difficult to understand.. and before the wings were my favourite part, now they just flop, looking like i can take a hanger go around it with some tape and I will have my own wings too

[@jaysauer834]

Sampling an interview of yourself is so slay

[@fatimahmakgatho8968]

Some of y'all need to gain some self confidence or just shop elsewhere. There are so many good brands in the world. Please don't destroy yourself over one brand that doesn't suit you Wear what makes YOU feel sexy

[@heyitscjj]

EXACTLY

[@lilylife4426]

My girlfriends and I used to get together and watch the old VS fashion show like it was our Super Bowl. Now it's just sad...

[@breer2517]

Victoria Secret gave y’all exactly what ya asked for 😂 Proving the point that all the 🗣️CANCEL THEM!!! was and is hypocrisy!!!!! BRAVO Victoria Secret! 😏 The 👏 back 💯 no cap 💋💕

[@allymsp7555]

True

[@macairhead5137]

@bingchungusyou kinda do. Plus size requires different design, and costs more. You can’t carry ‘all sizes’ for the same designs and the same price.

[@bah-bah29hinks7]

Also they got cancelled as the company was bankrupt and making no money. The shows cost the company so much they could not do it. Also, apparently there was abuse going on… look it up.,True story.

[@alexandra6188]

I actually really like the new looks from what I’ve seen so far. It simply looks like VS is dipping its toes in avant garde, and I adore it very much! On all of the models of all the different sizes:) I’m a plus size girly, and I didn’t see anything wrong with the way they dressed the plus size and/or curvy girls otherwise. Granted, I didn’t see the actual show - only the clips from this video (currently at 13:33). On the other hand, I do understand that avant garde is not everyone’s thing. Maybe it’s just my optimism, but perhaps it was merely an effort to bring avant garde to a more commercial stage and inspire the average consumer to think beyond the norm. 💗

[@alexandra6188]

Yeah, I still feel the same way after watching the rest of the video.

[@ap5587]

Agreed, I think this is a refreshing take on the brand

[@mayan.4137]

My main point of criticism regarding the dressing of the plus sized women is that their bras don't seem to be the right size. They cut into them and look way too small, which in my opinion isn't acceptable for a brand mainly selling underwear. Regardless of personal taste, they should be clothed in things made for their body!

[@alexandra6188]

@@mayan.4137 I do agree with this sentiment. I’ll rewatch the video in the morning to see which parts I missed that you’re referring to. Frankly, I could’ve been so mesmerized and excited by the art of it all that I may have accidentally disregarded the fit of the garments.

[@carmelasantana3091]

I didn't watch the show; I am basing my comments on what was shown on this video: I like that all the models got wings- it speaks to inclusivity ("We are all angels"). Some of the wings were interesting, and some looked cheap. I don't like that the video had such low lighting- I don't mind it for certain parts, to add artistic flair, but I want to see the collection I'm potentially buying. Which leads to my last point: What is VS selling now? Based on the clips in this video, are they rebranding as a clothing store? I neither saw lingerie nor pyjamas featured/highlighted in the clips. So, what are they selling?

[@arthoria00]

The whole point of bring a model is to be skinny , i dont care fight me

[@annasshitdump]

I completely agree with you ☝️ Victoria’s Secret should’ve never rebranded themselves, the new Angels just feel depressing, unglamorous, and would turn away their audience so easily.. The “ iNcLuSiViTy “ literally just threw away most of the hard work the older generation of models had to earn.

[@katypi2529]

Thank you Zoe love all of your videos ❤

[@wardazia6846]

The brand gave the public what it wanted but did not even try to make the modals look good the clothes were trashy and the wings looked store bought. But at the end of the day for those who want to see "genetically gifted" people on the runway then yall should have just been happy with how the brand was before.

[@madisonj5136]

No they are just experimenting

[@nataliaevans]

We were happy the way it was..It was the butthurt loser types that were angry the company weren’t pandering to them.

[@emeraldbarker-l5x]

I miss the old VS I went through weight shifts of 180 pounds at 5'8" to 110 pounds and I never felt like I wasn't seen. I felt like sexy glam girls were my friends because I got to shop what they wore. So maybe I could even shop with the VS models.... and I know they didn't win a genetic lottery, they went through SOOOO much... I feel like now it is a dishonor to them. The angels were a statement...

[@maximumerika8888]

The culture online or anywhere nowadays seems to always go from 0 to 50 when it could be a small shift or a gradual change. it almost seems like someone reads every negative comment and just tries to fix everything all at once and just makes a tangled mess that no one can enjoy or connect with.

[@annabelkeith8167]

Ok can we talk about how beautiful your voice and accent are!?!?

[@skylar2173]

The angels and the fantasy is what made the old shows so iconic. I looked forward to seeing those women every year looking absolutely unbelievably beautiful. It was entertainment. Y’all wanted VS to give us “realistic” si that’s exactly what they did. Y’all just don’t want to admit that normal women don’t look as good in “high fashion” and that’s why everything looks out of place and ugly. In fashion, the clothes aren’t for the body, the body is for the clothes

[@InGodITrust333]

Completely agree. Bring back the beautiful women and get rid of these average looking ones.

[@ladydior9691]

I don't really understand what is so triggering about vs show, it was always impeccable and every healthy person know that it wouldn't be normal to identify with models... And why is Victoria's secret guilty of your insecurities? Isn't all fashion industry the same? So what are we supposed to do now, cancel New York and Milan fashion week so women all around the world wouldn't feel insecure about their bodies??? Cmon... Women should use their brain and be realistic... It's the same thing with other jobs, not everyone can be a doctor, a lawyer, the same goes flr being a model... Not everyone is supposed to be and look like one, jesus christ, get over it

[@albertiiinerodriguez8982]

I did what is called: jumping on the notification

[@fatinahi8230]

Hello mate !

[@cluverys]

Sameee

[@harlow9175]

A friend of mine said Prime should burn the tape so that the public at large is spared from ever seeing it again. Lol.

[@Cassia_kamm]

Ive always been super curvy. That being said VS bras and lingerie are the only ones that have ever fit my body well. I appreciated being fitted for my first real bra because i jad no idea what size i was or what i needed. All of the clerks in the store have always been women so i actually felt really comfortable there. A CEO is not a company, and VS has changed CEOs a few timea now. Fact is that from the models and designers, to the retail associates, VS provides employment to many thousands of women. I wish the brand would just stop trying to be somethings it us not.

[@shoobadaka9999]

I reckon this is all one big intentional business move, so people welcome the old ways with open arms haha

[@skateata1]

I watched it on Prime and it was just about the designers. Nothing to do with the models. What was with the bland colors and dim lights? I could barely see anything.

[@damieo8139]

Angels exist, they just very different from what we would imagine

[@YolianMarie01]

I too think the show was quite odd, but what i find more curious is how so many people are upset with the new VS not being like they used to..lol people literally asked for them to have supermodels that dont look or “model” like models.. instead that they look like well.. us ordinary beings People should understand that what they are asking for is representations of diversity(cultural, color, shape, size etc and its a HUGE YES) while understanding that models are not meant to look like ordinary people..

[@vivalasammm]

the way they wouldve been so successful if they wouldve done the same thing they used to do but with diverse models. bring back the early 2000s PINK nostalgia but for all sizes that wanna wear it.

[@whiskeyjames23]

I wanna look sexy at my size 16, not my average pj's look in a nude color 😢

[@ScaryYoutubeStories]

Moral of the story: “You can’t please everyone.” Sooo

[@nochill5996]

😂😂 it's hilarious to see all these reactions to the VS show. It's obvious to the rest of the world that the US has stripped their real women of their femininity and womanhood by the use of politics and agenda. Keep fashion as fashion should be. Sure it can used to express oneself and make a statement but what exactly is the statement here? Everyone is a woman when they feel like it? Obesity is sexy? Hard work and discipline is not cool anymore? ..... The rest of the world is chilling at their fashion shows making real glamour and glitz ..... It's literally just the US going off the tangent right now. We all celebrate inclusivity but you really think high fashion and couture shows are for inclusivity? It's meant to be exclusive. It's meant to be high society entertainment. It's supposed to be aspiring ..... what will you aspire to be in these current shows? Yourself at your current state where you're not happy as is?

[@hazelrush]

I used to LOVE this show. Not anymore. It was fantasy. I was very thin in my 20s and 30s, and loved seeing the beautiful thin models in the shows and ads. I'm not thin anymore, but I still believe that VS is a brand and now it is lost. This comment will be very unpopular, but I don't care. I'm GEN X, and I firmly believe that the models of the old VS earned the right to walk in the shows. They worked very hard to be low in body fat and to be toned. That should not have been taken away from them. They are not the enemy. If larger women want inclusivity, then develop a company that caters to it. Don't guilt an existing company into changing EVERYTHING that built their brand in the first place.

[@flyingnimbus2471]

It's kinda lame and gives me fake vibes. I understand that they're rebranding, but this new VS looks like a joke. And WINGS, what are those??

[@idaskjensvold7771]

Writing all the way from Norway! Love your videos and editing-style. Keep up the good work!

[@edgyboy7675]

Geez, people hated old fashion show with angels so much because of “insecurities” and now the same people complain about how the new show killed the old vibe, angels, fantasies, etc. I’m sorry, but I don’t get it. What do you want from VS?

[@vervain_1010]

watching this after watching VS fashion show 2024 is so funny

[@Ashley-nf6hf]

I’m sorry but if we compare Victoria’s Secret angels and actual high fashion models, people worrying about body size diversity and model’s eds are going after the wrong people because VS models are very fit yes, but not extremely skinny to an anorexia type of extreme. One of the way you can see it is the way a lot of angels were still having kids in between shows each years and for those who don’t know, anorexia makes it almost impossible to give birth. So I think people were just insecure and tried to ruin the brand.

[@veheeo720]

Simply Splendid perfectly said! a must share Happy New Year !! ❣💅👀🌹💎🎩

[@AfterHourswAdriana]

VS models were called angles for a reason, they looked otherworldly, unobtainably beautiful etc. Sure, make the angels inclusive, but at least give them something that fits, and flatters their bodies.

[@gloriaemon6624]

ok I think in hindsight they should've never cancelled the 2019 show. it just started this VS is cancelled narrative and forced them to come back with a 180 on brand identity. they should've just progressively, slowly, updated facets of the the brand and made it seem like a natural evolution. 2019 show should've introduced a new creative director (A female) distancing from the old predatory team that had been accused of some weird things. Then have a 2019 show with artists from around the world like dip into KPOP, Afrobeats, Brazilian funk and use designers from these regions as well. with models from those regions opening those sections. I think the idea of it being more inclusive is stupid, their exclusivity made them them. unpopular opinion but the beauty of todays landscape is u can CHOOSE. u can choose the brands you want to follow, choose ur IT girl from the thousands on instagram, choose the many lingerie brands out now. VS had a unique identity that just neededt to evolve, there was absolutely no need for the pause and resurgence. They were the exclusive unattaible brand, OH WELL. go to Skims if u want clothes that fit all, and frankly, better in generall .VS lingerie has never fit a lot of sizes well no one was buying for the product we was all buying for the brand. them loosing the brand is making them loose everything

[@KgaopalelweMogane]

i actually really love the outfit with the bows for wings

[@Rosaelin]

I feel like this is controversial But they are supposed to be angels, and honestly angels aren't humans like us, which means that it kind of makes sense for them to be this unteachable ideal Also not everyone can be a model, just like not everyone can be a doctor or an olympic athlete

[@INTJ_5w4]

I didn't mind the way it was before, with the skinny and tall models (of course, completely against extreme dieting and the way the models were treated). It made it seem exclusive. I don't fit the look of a VS angel, but that never annoyed me nor did it make me feel insecure. I loved seeing ethereal women like Adriana, Candace, Miranda, etc. They all worked hard to be model, that's why not everyone could be an angel. It was what made angels special.

[@cluverys]

Hihi! Hope ur well zoe! 💓 can u do more of ur healthy food tips/acne tips? They really helped and motivated me for being healthy and my acne is quite fading actually, but do u have more tips? Anyways, I wish u all the best 🎀

[@zoeunlimited]

Gotchuuu. On an acne journey myself

[@cluverys]

@zoeunlimited I wish u luck on ur acne journey as well! U are very strong and pretty btw 💗

[@sinistavoicez]

"tied up sausage"... Spot on

[@UncleMikeDrop]

Outsider's perspective, but fashion shows are a concept showcase for a given label. Just like how food will never look as good as the picture on the menu, the clothing items will never look as good as the ones worn on the runway. In an attempt to appeal to every size and shape, fashion brands are overextending and becoming shapeless.

[@itsalwayshalloweenexceptwh5118]

They could have gone with their old glamour formula just with more diverse models. There's no reason why they couldn't glam up a model above a size 8. But they decided to go with some edgy artsy angle. We should judge them for the aesthetic they chose, not judge them for using different models.

[@cyberspace7208]

​@itsalwayshalloweenexceptwh5118 They still wouldn't look the same. I didn't want to see some 5'5 obese one legged woman in a bra

[@The_NonDescript]

I like that one website's headline: The Entire Show Could've Been An Email

[@bby_doll1189]

why does everyone feel the need to have everything be inclusive? the og angels never said you had to look like them. It's your choice to feel inferior to them because you don't look exactly like them. It's all about your mindset if you have low self esteem why should we shame the models and company? and why should we have to sacrifice a fun fantasy with pretty women you can look up to and aspire to be like. the whole idea of promoting obesity is so unhealthy. promote HEALTHY BODIES not annorexic and not obese.

[@dawnmmenorias]

Welcome Back!! Victoria . . Keep Shining, ✨ 🤲🏻

[@Dianawazhere]

Don’t blame Victoria’s Secret I blame you all. You guys were talking about how small the shows were and how they only catered to a certain amount of people we had lots of people on there. In my opinion y’all were just being oversensitive with your “me me me”mindset. There was multiple people like vitiligo people mixed raced and dark women women of colour women with skin conditions women with things like albinism et cetera but you guys just wanted something to hate on something to push the body positivity movement now they’ve Rebranded themselves to fit everyone and everything and you want it to bring back the”it“ factor at once had well it can because once it does you guys will shit on it again calling it fat phobic and misogynistic pointing fingers at everyone else but yourself make it make sense.