I went HARD in this one, just not in the way you'd expect | Project Ascension S8 | Classless WoW

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0:00-2:20 - Intro
2:21-4:20 - Starting the Journey
4:21-8:18 - Leveling to max, RNG, checking out inflation
8:19-22:37 - LET'S BREAK OUT THE CALCULATOR (Heirloom Price Analysis)
22:38-27:09 - First attempt at using Ebon Dawn (new worldforged enchant)
27:10-31:02 - New build (talents/RE's) that we ended up going with
31:03-36:38 - First Gruul's Lair of TBC (heroic)
36:39-43:31 - Mythic dungeon grind
43:42-44:29 - Final Thoughts
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[@Mcdoubles]

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[@danylboone]

Your experience and concerns represent a lot of players right now, I think, and the content in this video nails it again. It's so valuable in terms of boosting the signal to the Ascension team. I think how the saying goes is: the 3 things that you can usually only have 2 of are time, money and happiness.

[@alaincorbe]

feels like they trying to pump more money to finance projects??? or something else?

[@Kronosxviii1]

Experience gold costs: before tbc you only had classic sources available for gold, now, you have tbc sources which greatly increases the volume of gold flow into the economy. I'm sure it will eventually even out but I'm expecting it to spike again when sunwell dailies release too.

[@KM-fm9ms]

Agree on A52, if it wasn't dead. I started there and have much more fun theory crafting on A52. Trying to theory craft on Thrall mounts up to a lot of wasted time. If you at least got all of your lucky cards after 50-100 hands of fate plus the good rares/legendaries actually came up for swap time to time it wouldn't feel so bad. It certainly feels like on the seasonal it's just a cash grab to sell as many pots and aura's as possible while you are chasing your tail to try and make a good build.

[@michaelhausler9254]

And i remake a dark surgeon character with complete moonglade all stat bloodforged gear with mainstat strengt for 60% healingpower from stamina, 45%Bonus spell healing from Agility, 33% healing Power from intellect ,25% healingspellpower from spirit and 45% healing Power from attack Power je does in bgs equal or better heal as most int or spirit mainstat healer^^

[@TheCheifbrody]

I’m glad you’re here to be the voice of the community cus the prices are actually insane. Even for the skill cards is still insane. Shadow dance being 2500 tickets is insane

[@Mcdoubles]

no problem brother

[@zooyorksk8r2009]

and you cant even buy legendary cards with tickets as they keep pumping out new re's that require specific legendaries.

[@m0fn668]

While your Bags keep getting bloated with Worldforged stuff and you barely can even scrap together enough Extracts to get rid of 10 per prestige...

[@Daggy1111]

On the morally grey part of the horde vs alliance thing, while its true the horde did nuke a city I would remind you that the alliance massacred blood elf civilians in their homes in response. Also the alliance were the ones to shove the orcs in concentration camps, while also openly killing both the trolls and the forsaken. Yeah the horde is extreme, but so are their enemies, and both sides have done some pretty horrific stuff to each other. Edit. They also attempted to genocide the blood elfs before they were in the horde.

[@Mcdoubles]

Yeah but like in both of your scenarios the Alliance were responding to some insane genocide/attempted-genocide stuff. edit: and in the blood elf example, nobody likes Lord Garithos, but at the same time, his people did just get genocided by Undead. The big thing is the Alliance don't seem to just do evil, they respond to evil in kind. Garithos is still shit though.

[@red_river_radio7927]

@@Mcdoubles The entire issue with the Stonemasons and The Defias Brotherhood is why they are evil.

[@okapi111]

Thank you Mcdoubles for the segment about the heirlooms, hundred of thousands of marks is really really not normal for these upgrades let alone doing sooo many prestige runs!! So glad you talked about this!

[@GulFugl]

Haven’t been on since the start of the season, seeing how they constantly nerf the Xp gains and slow the lvling and still expect to prestige as much feels bad, longer time watcher, love the content my guy!

[@jinn_val]

You can still very easily prestige in an hour and get 50k marks on top of it if you do a challenge

[@Mcdoubles]

So a big problem is that I understand some people like to min-max a challenge so thats it NOT a challenge and just farm rewards, but some people see "challenge mode" and want it to be a challenge and not an expedited currency farm. There's no part of me that actually wants to farm challenges for currency, same as when it was done to Felforged mode back in the day as well. I think its a bad gameplay loop.

[@GulFugl]

​@jinn_val yea if you wanna sweat and min/max, looking back at the legion 3 server where it barely took that long to lvl, you could enjoy multiple characters Now you gotta sink in even more time for less the value

[@GulFugl]

@@Mcdoubles Perhaps a workaround for these challenge modes would be scaling a few numbers for certain modes, making the challenges tougher, and yet more rewarding. An early season challenge mode could be rewarding say a book of ascension or altar. That would definitely be more appealing for players in the long run. The min-max ideology does have their ups 'n downs, at the end of the day some people play non-stop and therefor runs out of content quicker, but forcing everyone to do 15+ prestiges, is beyond a killer average people

[@1Darkmouse]

Thanks for keeping the content flowing, long time not a WoW player, but I enjoy your style and all these servers with custom features.

[@Mcdoubles]

Glad you enjoy it!!

[@laggerrr219]

I'm a new player on Ascension (started last week) and honeslty just trying to understand it all took a toll, but now that I understand the system a bit better I just think that there's no way I will be able to enjoy the content because of how far back I am. I have no gear, no gold, no cards... what little gold I get I have to spend on enchants so I can have a build, but its not enough to compete so I do prestige to get marks (without any heirloom or XP pots or aura of course, cause I dont have money for that). It hasnt been long but maybe I'll just wait for Conquest of Azeroth to get a level playing field with older players. Keep up the good work!

[@SpectralGloom]

Area 52 is the better server for most people imo. The gamble mechanic would be cool as a challenge mode not a full time gameplay

[@TheRealKreindal]

Don't even play Ascension but still enjoy the videos! Keep em comin!

[@thirdfavouritechild9082]

I'm super stoked for CoA, but yeah I stopped playing on the draft realm fairly quickly. Nice that it has seasons and is fresh, but locking you out of trying different things got old super fast :(. Love your coverage of CoA so far, and can't wait until it launches!

[@blondebelly]

This man lucky carded six common cards… my brain hurts 🧠

[@unlimitedshrimp]

i recently started playing asc and you perfectly described my problems with it. I've been playing for a month, never even used an exp pot or an aura cause theyre too expensive, and recently bought my first nonexp heirloom just to find out its worse than anything i'd find in a dungeon

[@krzysztofkiedos805]

Don't be sorry for that Man!!! That was an awesome episode. This harsh feedback is needed too, to improve the server and it has to be spoken. It's nice to see people agreeing with you so much. This is a great way to develop regular player thoughts to Ascension creators. Great job McDoubles!

[@bosssavage3325]

Prestige’s makes Ascension the most money. It’s their core monetary support system 655 dp per 100 usd = 6.5 dp per 1 usd (if you buy the most expensive one) Donation points per run = 25 dp for aura 10 dp for 10 xp pots =35 dp per run 35dp / 65 per dollar = 5.38usd per group of 5 prestige run Each prestige run takes 35 dp or earns ascension 5.38 dollars

[@CosmicCleric]

@24:20 Loved the "Horde is Evil" rant! There's no effin way they are morally gray/equal. Power on, dude!

[@KandrishaPlays]

love your videos McDubs your videos got me playing project ascension way back now im making some videos of it as well sometimes

[@borislavrumenov2085]

Love the content as always! Been watching you for a few months now and you're a big part of why I got into Ascension in the first place. What UI addons are you using to make it look so much like the Dragonflight UI? Would love to see a video on your UI set up and settings!

[@michaelsanz5665]

I thought that in one of the leagues when you prestiged you were always offered the ability you previously took at that level, and I loved that idea.

[@ChillAxPS]

@Mcdoubles I have been watching your videos on Project Ascension like so many for the past 2 days just started playing project ascension and having never played wow before I have been trying to find complete beginner guide and builds video for ascension but no videos really get in depth with what quests , lvling up course, build abilities should I be doing I keep getting lost do you think you can make a video covering all that or maybe have step by step guide on ur discord . Again love your videos❤ keep up the good work!

[@MisterWitchDoctor]

im glad someone else understands how it feels i took a break after the last season ended, and came back for the league. after it ended i was ready to try seasonal but immediately i was bombarded the grind walls i had to pass to enjoy the game Heirlooms are omega expensive, farming a million and one golden skill cards to roll a good build. enchants are becoming more hyper specific, just to play it and find out it sucks. realizing you have about 5 builds you can really optimally play(and not having skill cards means i gotta hit 10s to 100s of rerolls until i get a proper build. at this point ive stopped playing until they bring back the build templates they had on league 4. also area 52 dead. hard to get low level mythics going unless you find some nice people to carry you(and i hate being carried) it just fuckin sucks man.

[@sithjacobi]

I finally switched over to Area-52 after trying to roll Gurubashi Beserker and not getting all my lucky cards 8 times in a row. I'm also just over trying to roll builds tbh, it's not fun once everyone has super optimized builds trying to make new ones. Hopefully draft gets scrapped or majorly reworked next server.

[@dretsu2628]

Its pretty clear that the reason heirlooms and xp stuff is so expensive is that they want you to go spend real money on their shop for them the ascension team is pretty greedy when it comes to that stuff

[@drpurple1321]

it took me about 200 rolls to get a golden lucky card shadowform for my MoS build edit: I think they really want you to buy heirlooms on the shop :x

[@Mcdoubles]

I didn't even know heirlooms were on the shop lol

[@psIronfist]

Not sure if you are going to see this, but I have mained twilight paragon since it was released and this video really brings smile upon my face

[@bryantvanderson9473]

Thanks for your Honesty! I had a bad experience with a few of the devs in a 1wk period due to my lack of understanding that the quest that require you to be one of the OG classes will never be available in the Classes version of the game as a Hero class. I felt like they could have made that clear from the 1st ticket I sent if they understood all I wanted was the pet in the cage to tame because he/she had a different look for Ravengers. But I am just done with expecting those devs to care.

[@theghostofblakephilbrook]

The Auction House Mafia has arrived on Ascension. I even saw gold sellers the other day.

[@Tylerbrave]

For heirlooms I’ve only bothered with the trinkets, dreadmist, and shadowcraft set but even for me someone who prestiges like every other day (whenever the quest is open world) the prices are too high to get them all at a decent rate. Now imagine the problem for people who don’t do it as frequently. Now they do allow them to be got with marks which are easily to get granted but the prices are even worse for marks

[@commentronic761]

8200 prestige tokens to get a FoK leveling set. Keep in mind you can use your tokens on Area 52, and for each a52 character you prestige, you get 100 more. BoA gear can also be bought with bazaar tokens, put that a52 gold to use.

[@AllFormsElectronic]

First boss has reflect as one of his mechanics in gruul. Which in pretty sure was the reason it kept interrupting. You see can see him reflecting your mind flay.

[@FanOfSweetMovies]

I've seen this happen time and time again - Once draft reaches tbc, inflation go brrr. I'm pretty positive tbc just isn't that popular compared to vanilla. A year ago I'd ask for only 50g shares for an xp aura, as they were 250g, pots were a fart, literally 20g tops. Crazy

[@hirstyuk5470]

“I chose spirit” clicks intellect 😂

[@tomchristoffer]

I just wanna play a cool build. Looking at the draft realm and seeing all these lego enchants and builds and raiding, it looks super cool. Then I try it, realise it will take like 15 hours to level to max, then I have no enchants at all, nevermind the one I actually wanted to use, because I have no mystic bullshit currency. I have no skill cards and I can't buy them because I have no gold, nor do I have gold for potions of exp. so now I have to farm gold on a character I don't want to play just to be able to prestige and level again, then I need to farm prestiges to get heirlooms to be able to prestige better, then I still need to farm mystic currency, then I get the actual build I want eventually, then I actually need to farm gear. Fuck me, no thank you. It's WAY too complex, there are too many variables you need to learn. Skill cards, golden skill cards, lucky skill cards, mystic orbs, reforging, mystic runes, prestiges, mystic enchants, gear, gold, heirlooms, talents, respec scrolls, dealer's draft deck, hands of fate and that weird confusing UI... All of this shit is standing in the way of actually playing the game that they've designed and using the builds and it sucks. PLUS I KEEP GETTING BOMBARDED WITH GEAR SO I NEED TO CONSTANTLY PLAY INVENTORY TETRIS AND GO VENDOR SHIT AND OPEN SATCHELS! It's so unfun! Then you realise you can't upgrade your skills without finding another player with a bloody book of ascension, ANOTHER THING I NEED TO FARM GOLD FOR, GREAT. No dungeon quests because if a person actually has a khadgar head they summon it for a nanosecond and then unsummon it again so I can't even take the quests. Everything in ascension exists just to tempt you and then take it away. Ideally, I'd want to start working on my build right from level 1, and make the entire levelling experience part of playing the build (the character) and experiencing the levelling content AS this archetype. In this way, I think the build draft experiment from league 4 was FAR, FAR superior to draft in every way, and completely changes the game in a good way, lifting the things that are fun with ascension and minimizing the bad stuff. Get rid of rng, get rid of speed levelling to get to the real content, get rid of farming for the privilege of playing your build, get rid of enchant costs and reforging, get rid of books of acsension and just give skill rank ups automatically, get rid of head of khadgar and just give dungeon quests on npcs at the instance start, get rid of satchels and let people get gear the real way, by getting it in the game world by going to specific places and doing specific quests. Get rid of skill cards, and hands of fate, Get rid of xp pots and auras, get rid of DRAFT, get rid of it all.

[@Bolt892]

Hey dude you can get heirlooms with Marks and Bazaar tokens as well

[@turionb1408]

thanks for the vid.. is it a bad time to start with ascension? 😅 love the content

[@Mcdoubles]

Nah if you've never played before you will have fun. 100%.

[@cypherpunk6417]

I used to main Twilight Paragon in Ascended TK and SSC about a year ago on A52, and did really good damage. I wonder if they messed with the tuning or something. I never had mana issues but I was using mana gems (Had the Sextant of Unstable Currents trinket that turns the gems into a DPS cooldown) and Moonkin form. Another thought: I would love to join the Ascension team to try and be a fresh set of eyes for some of these builds that should be really interesting, fun and effective. I submitted an application two days ago but so far no word back. I love the potential that Classless (and CoA, and Vanilla+) has and I want to help achieve that potential if I can.

[@gingaming5416]

talking about heirlooms, not sure if it's in a video, because i am at that part where you calculate heirlooms. If you played previous season, and you did, go to area 52, get heirlooms, and use vanity sync on seasonal.

[@bruttus_]

You could try fel corruption, it is really fun

[@eipbm5139]

Pretty sure the AH prices are just increasing due to TBC content generally giving more gold; means the DP value of pots/auras has to rise as well. The pricing on the heirlooms are enough to make a toughest man weep. If your calculations on prestiges were for purely the base set; then requiring to upgrade each piece for the actual XP bonus, which if not changed is still 3% per piece (Granted multiplicative, so increasing values), would require twice as many - Only way to shorten that would be through marks, but I wouldn't expect anyone to get an heirloom through marks before atleast 8-10 runs through, depending on the quality. The best part is ofc at the end of season, those heirlooms transfer over to the permanent realm, having to make you buy the vanity sync to actually get it back on seasonal, or; have fun prestiging 50+ times again. Wonderful design KEK

[@joejhansen]

been having misinput problems as well. I can't tell if it's the abilities or the buttons I use, but some seem not to have a lockout for held presses and just cycle the click every couple of ms

[@spiritvisionitc2474]

I've been trying out a berserker build on area 52..I'm done with Thrall for the time being!

[@m.a.dmatt6689]

Will you be getting around to showing the new mythic enchant "Son of Gruul"? It looks kinda fun tbh

[@Mcdoubles]

Didn't even know it existed, but maybe

[@m.a.dmatt6689]

@@Mcdoubles For the method to obtain it, there is actually a youtuber by the name of 'Goro Khan' that has a bunch of videos to find all the enchants in the game

[@luperkalel1884]

I dont know if seeing the math on heirlooms makes me feel better or worse, I've only just got my first 2h weapon 😂 Keep up the vids though mate Gromnar

[@kazsham5128]

You get 300g from completing a narcolepsy or spellbind roulette trial, not to mention 80k marks! This in turn has increased the cost of auras I think.

[@SLymz_Gaming]

New Video let’s gooooo!!!!

[@Un5tab1e]

You can try to revisit your demonic influence attempt, ot slaps in m+, Im playing it as a mellee fire based int hybrid with Ragefire Nova WRE, or elemental lord for raid's, it's single target damage is bonkers, and that doesn't fit, new LRE's like fel corruption or son of gruul are very good too

[@flyyhighhh]

we welcome you to A52. :) just prepare yourself for a smaller crowd so you'd be grateful for a carry cause ques are so long and anything new we get last lol

[@Tiercat]

For all wanting to play this server just know it's not new player friendly. Not the people the game. To be able to save enchants to the altar, you need a currency for it in 4 weeks of playing. I still have found how to get more of it. Cards are hard to get, and u can't choose the ones u want. So just beware of that, but the community is great

[@mrc3885]

Your mindflay was being reflected.

[@Mcdoubles]

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[@Kazen_XD]

Here's hoping for a big rework for this enchant. I love the concept (shadow/holy hybrid) and have tried to make it work, but being locked into a (somewhat buggy) channel for extremely meh damage just feels bad

[@jaketucker5097]

this was my first ever build i made it was a blast when i was using it

[@TophurISgod]

Twilight paragon is actually REALLY decent in m+ if you take the right epic REs (aoe shadow burn) and using seed of corruption in aoe between every cast of mind sear, also missing corruption is super rough because eradication turns you into an attack helicopter

[@TophurISgod]

But I loved the fucking video dude!!

[@ekklesiaarkansasshortschan340]

When you were fighting the first boss in gruuls lair your spells were getting reflected which applies the gcd and doesn't effect the target because it's not going through. Trying your rotation on anything else that doesn't reflect should eliminate that issue.

[@raytos9701]

He was having the same issue with Gruul. It's a bug with whatever was procing. Most likely from his RE

[@SpectralGloom]

Wait I just realized, you can get to max in 2 hours on ascension?

[@AtilonWoW]

Your Mindflay was cancelled because the boss reflects it. That's what happens when a channled spell gets reflected

[@benashford-thom8059]

Love the videos dude - Benjaash

[@michaelhausler9254]

Same here i have all for compound Power hunter i only miss aimed shot and have maked around 75 to 100 hands of gate or at the wild felfire spell haste caster only thing i need for perfection is spellstone for max spell haste and i have drain soul to get it from hand of gate then what have come beach healthstone firestone or soulstone many Times but no spellstone^^

[@derekspackman2852]

Price per DP has always always always been higher / inflated on the servers that are TBC. A52 has had upwards of 145g per DP prices at times, usually goes up around new content releases.

[@littlefordy]

if your toons from past seasons on a52 have alot of tokens - you can bu ythe upgrades over there - and vanity sync them over to thrall - its what ive done xP

[@littlefordy]

and they have added heirlooms to the DP shop which is....

[@soulreaper8883]

I only played a ascension for like a year i think and i havent been able to get back into it. I prefer area 52 and if i had friends playing the game i'd probably be going full completionist on there playing a fun build that's not viable at all but fits a theme i love like TG muti or something. I have always and will always hate rng in any game. Its never a feels good as any good luck you havw is not ateibuted to you being good just lucky. Even having to farm the cards just feels like an anoying time sink i dont wana deal with I hope you feel better man. Don't wreck yourself trying to do too many things at once. Take it easy. Often you'll find your only as rushed and stressed as you are because ur spending most of the time you have worrying about it and not doing what it is ur aiming to do. Breaks are good.

[@alexandrudinu1928]

But McDoubles, did you know you can also spend Marks of Ascension to upgrade the heirloom gear? Don't look a the prices... you did enough math with the tokens, what you'll see on Nozdromu's wares will make your jaw drop

[@Mcdoubles]

Oh I looked

[@batmon26]

mcdoubs u got me to reinstall ascension on the new set up. but im playing coa to see thr changes. Its crazy how much they've changed things in a year. Wish ud really do some more deep diving on coa. sometimes feel the ascension teams speeds them self to much and that's why coa isn't getting done. U got wrath around the corner, the new season, and coa.. Its like Coa always the back burner

[@taylorstephens5535]

You would enjoy whispers of the old gods more tbh, new heroic leap RE for it is dope & huge AoE

[@garyhoard8310]

I've successfully completed my initial month of playing Ascension, and I wholeheartedly concur. As a newcomer, the learning curve and the exorbitant costs associated with gear and skill cards can be disheartening. While the game offers an enjoyable and unique experience, there's a pressing need to address these issues. I've gone through the prestige process ten times in my quest to accumulate more heirlooms, and at times, it's left me wondering if this is a bit too overwhelming.

[@Un5tab1e]

Finally I got to unlock a secret of what build you leveled with me during this prestige xD (Im Mahrash). Yeah, that unluckiest prestige ever was really fun.

[@aurawolf664]

heirlooms are soooooo expensive!! i checked all the ways you can buy them and i dont feel comfortable spending that much of anything for them. i have to spend all my marks on HoF just to get a decent build. im also kinda lost at 70. all i can find groups for is RDF and BGs? ive killed some world bosses but thats about it. i have full dungeon epics and still dont do enough dps for normal kara or so ive been told. what should i be doing at 70 to start raiding?

[@jinn_val]

I don't know who's telling you you don't have enough DPS for normal kara, a toddler could clear it at this point, if you have full dungeon epics and still do not-so-great-DPS you probably need to look for a better build

[@aurawolf664]

@@jinn_val i only do about 4k lol its really sad because i know i should be doing more. ill keep trying and if it doesnt improve ill probably prestige when the price of pots drops

[@Darkstorm299]

I've definitely noticed not just exp pots and auras but some vanity items prices have went up as well. I had to create a new account and I had to grind my butt off just to get the Dealer's Draft Deck which was like 600g. I remembered it being like 200g before I took a break... Luckily I was able to get meta on my first prestige for the fel corruption build so I don't have to worry about prestiging any time soon with the guy I'm currently playing. With that said though, why is there no Random LFG for TBC dungeons while leveling? the 60-70 grind is so much more torture than any other levels just because you aren't getting a big chunk after completing a dungeon.

[@xXFoiXx]

Maybe they expect you to buy it with marks of ascension and tokens of prestige. Not much better because that means fewer rerolls during the prestiges.

[@jenskiks2]

yes come to area 52 please!

[@Will-hp5mb]

oooooooooo got hit with the details callout.

[@mauriciodiaz2062]

I agree with everything at the beginning, I would go even further and say that most mechanics in Ascension are there just to waste time Like reforge wastes a lot of time. Redraft (owning a dealers draft deck) should just be freepick, because you will be drafting until your first 4 abilities come anyway, so might aswell have us pick freely. Reset on hearthstone after every prestige (now it is to your race's initial zone, so you can no longer have it at Shatt or SW/Org

[@AceHilms]

i think the heriloom thing is alright, since im area 52 i dont ahve to worry on the rng of the cards, only reason i play thrall is for seasonal points thats it

[@christianrasmussen6759]

why don't u play on area52 then to get all the spells u want??

[@Bloomingmandrakes]

I feel like part of the lack in dps is the rotation being pretty much 90% filler, there’s nothing in the background behind the smite/holy fire and mind flay to add damage. So like for holy damage maybe pick up some paladin dot effects, or even consecration for aoe and for added shadow damage you can take shadow word pain, vampiric touch, etc. then, you could maybe snag life tap and enervate for mana. Idk if that will work but it’s worth trying. I can’t play to make the build myself so go ahead and try it out and lmk how it goes

[@espenpedersen1625]

Try fel corruption ! :D

[@bosssavage3325]

There shouldn’t be heirloom upgrades. Should buy one and have it give the XP or IF there is upgrades, it should be significantly cheaper (or even free) for the base heirlooms.

[@Vogath]

You should get 1 heirloom token per prestige. Maybe a chest that includes an heirloom token or piece or something.

[@marcelgraf5520]

Î think prestiging with a prestige build in pvp is crazy fun, in fact its one of the most enjoyable experiences for me on ascension. But even at that, you might want to try different builds that require different items. (thats the point of the server) So issue is not having to do 20+ prestiges for a set! The issue is that the set you have limits your ability to try different builds unless you farm another set which is another investment of 20 runs. Having a 25-50 hour grind for something that lasts on your account forever is not bad, in fact, it is actually really healthy for an MMO. But doing that x4 is really stupid. Maybe a solution would be that the items could be refundable so that you can buy other sets. Good video

[@paulindassel3086]

When I first started playing on ascension a year ago, I thought this is cool, I can build my own custom class and have fun doing a lot of damage since I can pick whatever I wanted.(I started playing on area 52. But realize after a few months that you can have fun that way, but your probably never going to top the dps charts. Unless you play a meta build or a variant of a meta build. It would be nice if they could even the power across all L.r.e's. Not all L.r.e's are created equal.

[@clm89]

DP prices are awful on both servers. I remember when I started a year or two ago on Area52 it was 30-40g per dp, when I stopped playing a few months ago it was around 150g++ per dp. I know it makes more sense for A52, but there are enough farmers and whales on the draft server that it's not too surprising.

[@crankz4846]

Massively agree with the heirlooms, new players wont stay that long to farm that, they wont even get invited to prestige groups.

[@user-cv9mq1kh5n]

Make a goblin shredder spec for tinker

[@milosdimitrijevic788]

Somehow chilling on CoA casually leveling seems more worth my time than playing live. - Earh

[@pancaker258]

How are you fighting level 2 mobs in Barrens I'm so confused

[@Darkstorm299]

Ratchet and the area around it in particular was made to be a neutral hub for both alliance and horde players to group together in ascension to quest till they 15 before the dungeon grind.

[@Bubberz73]

Honestly bro, I know Ascension is your main thing but I would recommend trying the Classic Hardcore official blizzard servers. I didn't want to play but my buddy was on so I decided to try, and I was pleasantly surprised! It completely changes the game! The way other servers do it is you have the choice to be hardcore or not and there's that division there, but on these servers everybody's in the same boat and there's such a sense of community. I watched a Mok'gora in Goldshire this evening and a Guildmaster was publicly executed via a duel because he apparently got somebody killed, and there were probably 100 spectators haha! I dunno! Could be worth giving it a shot! It's painful to die but it's addicting and everybody just keeps trying 😂👌 P.S. if you do don't chill in the caves for too long, death traps.

[@TheCheifbrody]

Hope you’re doing ok friend

[@Mcdoubles]

I'm doing alright, hope you're doing good too man

[@outsider462]

Loved the calculator part. One thing you missed is let’s say on average someone does 1 prestige a day. In your scenario it would take 25 days to get the full gear. At the rate content is coming out from today we will be in a new tier raid, almost into next mythic dungeon brackets and most likely a lot of classless updates changing builds. So, the time spent to enjoy end game gets diminished trying to get a new build AND you’re closer to the end of the season where said heirloom gear will be literal junk. This is the case unless next season they allow for heirlooms to be accountbound and you have them at the start or available once xp pots and auras are usable.

[@Tichater]

It's the same on area 52. Some idiot put an exp pot up for 500g while auras are 1200g

[@cesal1977]

Like the video, but once you have a solid build, I use that toon to farm marks, use marks for heirlooms. I have had over 700k marks before just doing the board dailies

[@MajorUnderdashPain]

Man this makes me so sad. I love Twilight Paragon and I've tried to make it work so many times. I was super excited to see if you'd be able to actually make it viable or even competitive, but sadly it still remains one of those builds that just will never perform until the devs decide it's time.

[@livetopwn88]

Idk if anyone else said but i think your mindflay was being interrupted when the boss was spell reflecting.

[@brimstonefootsteps4332]

Yea dude, go to Area 52. You do fantastic theory crafted builds but like you pointed out its almost impossible to get everything you need. Area 52 will save you TIME and let you fine tune to perfection. Plus, I would love to see the give away on my server lol.

[@glorrin]

concerning heirloom although the cost is way too high, you don't need 1200 for dual wield. You can buy 1 dagger and 1 trinket, and duplicate them using vanity tab. For 1 set of gear you need daggers trinkets breastplate shoulders bow that's 4000k, 8k if you want the usable stuff every time you want to test a new archetype get ready to spend 2k more If you count 30 run and 1 quest every 2 run that's a month as you can only do 1 quest a day and you don't always get the one you want.

[@gyzmoduck]

Heh, the aura's are around 1100-1400 gold on Area 52

[@Deadlychuck84]

A problem I'm increasingly having with Epic REs (though since WFE are really all they're releasing now it's more common among them), is that most that transform a skill or grant a skill are completely useless. Since 80% of a build's power exists with the LRE now, if the ERE isn't just acting as a damage modifier on the existing rotation that the LRE supports, then overwhelmingly it's just useless. Half of them don't grant any meaningful benefit in themselves. Like for example, in what world does Atal'ai Totem benefit ANY build? When you could instead just take a more generic option. In the past you might have an entire build based around maximizing the mechanics of an ERE, but now all of those pivotal mechanics are locked into LREs, which have so much power packed into them, that they also need to add in numerous restrictions on accessing the specific mechanic you want. The closest thing that still exists for that is a stormgarde slam build like the one you posted. However, even then that's ONLY possible because at some point they added slam to the RE, since it was previously only shield slam and shield of righteousness. There are numerous other WFE that are completely useless, because the LREs now want to restrict the scope of a build, while the transformative EREs want to expand it.

[@gearhead417]

I mean the fail safe is the skill cards. To me when I play a build my first thought is using skill cards to get the essential things.

[@Mcdoubles]

Thats not a fail safe when you're max level and you only need 1 ability to play your build and you dont have it, so the only option is to play an unfinished build that can't compete, and just slog away for dailys and marks, or to go agane. I really dislike that, it's happened to me too much in the last year.

[@icedoutdmk8895]

Just about a prices, JUST remember it was on vanilla, on TBC u can get golds alot Faster, one 70 lvl item is 5-20g depends on what item it Is so Its rly not that expensive.

[@ekklesiaarkansasshortschan340]

My 2nd comment is, I'm 100% with you. I don't want to log into ascension anymore ever run I do in prestige I see the same sweats over and over again and they are in all meta. Everything is super expensive, the fun level is not there. I'm actually looking more forward to duskhaven coming out than ascension fixing their issues.

[@cestor]

I just realized something but your mindflay was getting reflected ... I think that was 'your bug'

[@Mcdoubles]

couldnt see the visual indicator, not a huge fan of the reflect mechanic I guess, but yeah my fault.

[@LividAardvark3911]

I mean I said it a few years ago... They need to revamp leveling. Leveling should be one of the most exciting parts of the game, where you get to see all the different cool things that could show up and try to get a feel for your character could turn out to be. Instead it's all about finding a min-maxed mouth-breathing group with 5 people fully kitted in Auras, XP pots, Heirlooms etc. And it's because there's real money involved. Then after you spend 3 hours finding a group, you go in and the Servers crash and the entire thing is high tension and just not fun at all. Ascension will never do it because it makes them so much money but they need to get rid of the XP Pots and XP Auras and all that. It makes the leveling process so unfun because when real money is involved people will always been tense and min-maxed to kingdom come. Edit: And after watching the video through... A lot of people who will be trying to get the Heirlooms that you estimated at 60 hours won't be able to get into 2 hour speedrun groups BECAUSE they don't have the heirlooms. So It'll be like 5-8 hours for those people per run. Meaning it's actually like 200-300 hours if thats ALL that you do in the game. And you probably can't afford the XP items if it's all your doing instead of spending time making money or doing end-game content. The price of Heirlooms and Leveling and all that is just so atrocious in the name of money. I really don't think they'll fix it but they need to or they won't keep players. They'll burn out.

[@Odynh]

*laughs in freepick first inflation?

[@coreyhilton1225]

Time is money, friend.