The Worst Lore in Modern Gaming

[@grxyzi9866]

I always find it funny to imagine all the fans paid for tickets to watch a building, because there’s no indication they can see what’s going on inside the stadium building

[@iAmLufa]

This is hilarious

[@Noperare]

Best case scenario, you watch the game via the cameras inside the building. So you physically went to a stadium to watch the game on a screen.

[@Einsym]

@@Noperare And said cameras get shot/deactivated all the time too

[@GazDaLad]

YO THIS BUILDING IS HELLA SICK BRO. WE SHOULD COME BACK NEXT YEAR!

[@verticalpug2026]

Pretty sure it's implied that the body cams of the operators are being broadcasted...

[@burgerman9246]

The fact that this is all connected to the Splinter Cell canon and Sam is spending his retirement coaching operators for e-sports is also pretty crazy.

[@JaCKal_646f67]

probably not canon for me

[@flatpepsi]

Definitely not canon for me.

[@gimmeyourrights8292]

Certainly not canon for me

[@sovereignstate6760]

Absolutely not canon for me

[@mj3541]

And Ghost Recon

[@Sprousey97]

An anti terrorist team being turned into a paintball esports team sounds like the plot of a south park episode

[@Pierce1996h]

This was actually a small plot point in a boondocks episode. Wuncler hired blackwater mercenaries to play kickball lol

[@baconflakes3345]

@@Pierce1996h real

[@landrylongacre6391]

I feel like for South Park it would be the inverse, paint ball players forced to become an anti terrorist group… and then they’d die horribly because it’s south park

[@rotunda_]

@Pierce1996h Still can't believe that dumbass bet all of Woodcrest's money on a kickball game

[@derangedfreackingtwistedps5048]

@@Pierce1996h show with good writing does a funny joke, funny joke misattributed to show with slop writing.. lol

[@Clod_Datenshi]

"Most players are too distracted with the amazing gameplay" Is this gameplay in the room with us?

[@iAmLufa]

I love it

[@mikejones8808]

Facts lmao

[@whitehuayra]

Guy hasn't played many games. Sad 😢

[@Sten05]

Even rocket league has more gameplay and epic ruined the game

[@MrMattogreen25]

I fucking hate it man, time to kill is almost instant, it's all about the reaction speed so if you're a half a millisecond slower, you lose

[@owendyer9956]

Deimos is real af, just said “Rainbow use to be cool and now it sucks” and kills the guy that made it the dumb Olympics

[@averymicrowave1713]

"In this fandom, Deimos is a hero."

[@ScoutTheSpartan]

@@averymicrowave1713 yeah he kinda was ngl. Until they dropped the ball by having him get captured.

[@Azal423]

@@ScoutTheSpartanman I came back to the game and immediately didn’t like him because he kicked Zero’s ass lol

[@captainslow_037]

@@Azal423 not to mention that HE SAW ZERO IN A MIRROR, fisher would never allow that

[@darrenmays2036]

thank you@@captainslow_037

[@Noperare]

An anti-terrorist secret agency becoming airsoft sport celebrities is the dumbest story I ever heard. Like, not even fun B-movie dumb, just plain dumb.

[@michaeljoggerst1015]

its a game, not meant to be a movie

[@joshfromsmosh3352d]

@@michaeljoggerst1015 doesn't make it any less garbage

[@youknowwhatever8649]

Actually I kinda can see a B-movie doing something like that.

[@underpaidmook]

@@michaeljoggerst1015 Yeah, still makes the lore dumb

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

Someone should make a B-movie about it, and make it good.

[@sate2801]

>this is why rainbow is formed >this is what you all been trained for >OLYMPIC DOORBREACHING

[@bolbistroganofsky5946]

Major League Doorkicking

[@skelemid5294]

​@@bolbistroganofsky5946 literally what Streamer's think of swat teams dream after they got doorkicked

[@choppergunner8650]

National Doorbreaching League

[@Y7Y01]

Go play ready or not

[@qu1253]

I really hate what modern shooters have turned into. Can I just have one semi-grounded FPS that doesn't have ridiculous Fortnite skins?

[@lasermanso]

remember when ''Tom Clancy's'' meant grounded narative and feeling ''it could have happend '' ? been decades since i did

[@Jakk_Sp4rrow]

Sheesh, how old are you ?

[@Deadspace123100]

I’d say the division hits that mark pretty well. The first one, anyway. Haven’t played 2.

[@Ekdrink]

Shit last one I remember being okay was the one on the 360

[@Lefuhq3]

Money talks unfortunately

[@DogeickBateman]

Honestly it spiraled out way before Siege. The instant Clancy trademarked his name and different writers and sub-brands took off most of the stories became pretty stupid. I'd even argue Red October was Clancy's only good book.

[@belinskiparadox7687]

Who the fuck thought it was a good idea to give an anti terrorist game an anime Tournament Arc?

[@huks9380]

I have no idea, but they won the cringe world record.

[@seneschalorcberg1338]

Harry. Glad Deimos did him in.

[@kloa4219]

This is the consequence of avoiding politics in games. Stories end up looking silly in order to not offend anyone. Politics fleshes a world out and adds realism to it.

[@Hitokiri1912]

What is so bad about anime?

[@velvetinedrapes4359]

@@Hitokiri1912 Well it can be larger than life a lot of the time and completely avoid consequences which contrast greatly with a setting like Tom Clancys work plus the grand tournament with teams of special forces soldiers is very anime.

[@mysticone2112]

The fact they wrote an entire explanation to justify having a super secretive elite military counter terrorist force be an esport team and use that as a jumping off point in the story instead of just saying its all non canon scenario is wild.

[@iAmLufa]

LOL

[@SirFailure]

Yeah, like what are they smoking at the time?

[@patrickiamonfire965]

@@SirFailure nothing apparently. No doubt the executive thought it was a great marketing idea for esports.

[@CBRN-115]

What kind of drug were they smoking

[@total_epicness6776]

Biggest falloff in history

[@darknight-kx6ye]

Rainbow Six Siege is a game where most of the time I thought smoke's gas was the same as the white masks.

[@epgamer1145]

Fr. I figured they had an insider telling the white masks what rainbows next move was. It would have made sense since in the Rainbow six book, the operators could never find leads on the people they were trying to track down until some guy working as a third party whistleblew on their operations.

[@shoelessbandit1581]

I believe it was theorized that smoke is a rainbow operator but infiltrated the white masks. Was never confirmed or denied because they literally did nothing with the white masks since launch

[@Padlock_Steve]

it is (or was) he stole dat shit

[@_r3con]

@Padlock_Steve bro I've played this game for over 700hrs I was so confused LMAO

[@TheTrueMerrio]

Sssssh...

[@the_Googie]

Look at old footage of the game. The game used to be dark in visual style, deep black shadows, no goofy Rick n Morty skins, clearing a building was terrifying. Now its just Overwatch with destructible walls.

[@cheesykebs708]

I only think it was dark and gritty in its E3 trailer the cinematics were pretty dark but ever since beta it's been pretty light visually. Now that I think about it, we did lose night maps 😭

[@v-trigger6137]

Isn't there was a huge discourse back in the days about how the game downgraded everything in its launch? 😂. like it looked or played absolutely nothing like the E3 cinematic trailer

[@OfKingsXI]

thats what IM saying man! I remember being 16 playing this game back then being TERRIFIED of walking around a corner, head on a constant swivel. It FELT like a sequel to Vegas, kids these days dont even know Vegas EXISTED and how SLOW and tactical the game was supposed to feel. Nowadays you get spawn peeked by Rick or A fuckin hologram rushes the site even better A fuckin robot controlled by a lady in wheelchair is pixel peeking the main door

[@Splozy]

@@v-trigger6137 that's pretty much every single big publisher game

[@rbarzevedo]

Back when the stadium cinematic dropped I remember thinking "oh that's cool, the Six Invitational is right around the corner, so they made this cinematic to hype up the event, having the pro players and their passion represented by the very operators." Never in a million years would I have thought that that was actually canon but here we are

[@ZackShark1]

@@rbarzevedo SAME

[@notanaveragedoktah8390]

Reminder that there is canonically a story in the R6 universe where Ash, Tachanka, Blitz, Frost, Ela, Iana, Fuze and Doc were transported to anime Narnia and Ash becomes a catgirl in that story.

[@sw4gsmile595]

Add the fact that almost all of the isekai Ops kinda jump start the world to space exploration and unknowingly rebuild a country

[@shoelessbandit1581]

I've been out of the loop for years and are very confused

[@vp7877]

And it's better than the shit we get in rainbow proper 💀

[@sw4gsmile595]

@@shoelessbandit1581Lets just say the Gacha game arknights creator is a huge R6 fan like really they have allot of inspiration to R6 the skill icons the enemies looking like white mask and they already have part 2 were they recreate the iconic R6 cover art All in all they give respect to the source material while doing the Collab events and their individual story just screams "FREAK YEAH HUMANITY ROLES"

[@micalamb6144]

I love Arknights

[@minoweltknives]

Best Part is that random chinese company who bought the rights to use Team Rainbow for a collab in their anime tower defense game (Arknights) took better care of the Lore of the individuals, their goals and ways than what modern R6 does with its cast.

[@swordmain1880]

Knew someone would bring up Arknights eventually

[@minoweltknives]

@@swordmain1880 ofc

[@erosthespy]

Small correction, Arknights is owned by a Chinese company (Hypergryph), not Japanese.

[@minoweltknives]

@@erosthespy oh, you are right thanks for the info

[@anantachonnambat6701]

Lmao, team Rainbow with cat ears is still dealing with terrorism and protecting the innocents while these dumbasses are competing in a stupid Olympic with White masks presumably still around.

[@barefootcoolboy_3264]

I wonder what happens if you buy tickets to a Rainbow match and all of a sudden there an attack an all of Rainbow Six needs to go and take care of it. Do you get your tickets refunded?

[@TinnWard]

You get on the helicopter

[@RiTchieKII]

@@TinnWard DO NOT ATTEMPT TO BAORD THE HELICOPTER!!!!

[@TinnWard]

@RiTchieKII FOR YOUR OWN SAFTEY, KEEP THE AREA SURROUNDING THE MEDICAL TENT CLEAR FOR MEDICAL PERSONNEL AND THOSE IN NEED OF MEDICAL ATTENTION!!!

[@RiTchieKII]

@@TinnWard لا تحاول الصعود على متن المروحية

[@_Devil]

Siege Ops at launch: A former FBI agent volunteers for an International Legion of Anti-Terrorist commandos who specially assist in hostage situations Siege Ops now: I was good at Paintball and I got drafted into the local SWAT unit

[@Brendan-m6i]

Im a cat girl who plays esports, im the perfect candidate for the team

[@choppergunner8650]

Literally a bunch of clowns. Just like Ryder says in GTA San Andreas: "Weekend soldiers! Ain't no match for Grove Street OGs!"

[@contra7631]

Your profile picture says my feelings for r6 siege lore and gameplay.

[@Brendan-m6i]

@@choppergunner8650 trained killers would get their ass kicked by a bunch of terrirorial morons

[@Imago8]

I wouldn’t even be suprised if that paintball story was a real thing they’d use.

[@thecstineman]

this is essentially just like a high school drama anime but ubisoft did it so it's worse

[@swilleh_]

Can't make something worse than the story in japanese cartoons.

[@thecstineman]

@@swilleh_ i thought that… until ubisoft did it. Also tbh fmab was pretty good

[@AYAKXSHI]

@@swilleh_ you just watch the wrong anime respectfully

[@perkup1695]

i cant believe the "Rainbow 6 start a paintbull club" was canon, i thought it was some noncanon for fun event just for the esports or something 😭😭😭

[@collinmclaren6608]

I remember seeing the map description for the stadium and just thought "Oh, they use it for training, that's funny." Little did I know that was a major canon event for the entire game.

[@Blajah_]

I feel like this was the biggest issue for r6, making stadium canon. If they needed a canon stadium, they couldve just made it an abandoned but polished stadium with no one there. It would also coincide well with the original lore for multiplayer being operators practicing against each other. And i feel like they shoulda just made a separate game for the pve and the story itself

[@smoketinytom]

I thought the White Mask group were the main threat, but the Multiplayer aspect was a War Games practice across various locations.

[@Blajah_]

@@smoketinytom at first i thought the multiplayer aspect were actual terrorist situations

[@David-tl6lv]

Personal headcanon: siege is not canon.

[@NormalRapt0r]

One of my “favorite” parts of the Nighthaven shit is that some R6 operators left with them…Government owned, Special Forces operators, being assigned from their countries to team Rainbow…just left on their own to join a PMC…are you fucking crazy?

[@calebbarnhouse496]

A PMC that chills in the same Olympics arena

[@unintelligentlifeform3821]

Isn't that technically treason?

[@calebbarnhouse496]

@@unintelligentlifeform3821 not technically, full blown treason, and dissertation

[@chillyavian7718]

@@unintelligentlifeform3821 not technical, full on, executed as a traitor against the state, treason

[@Suileglas0415]

Team Rainbow is a bunch of countires working together to fight terrorism so the operators still serve under their respective governments. They wouldnt be able to just leave and join a PMC group while still being enlisted

[@Ryan-dp4rs]

based Sandstorm pfp

[@kainoawaikiki2614]

Yeah they'd basically all just be wanted criminals disobeying orders and committing treason lmao

[@ringingsilence9226]

Yeah they could, its called going AWOL it happens all the time

[@kainoawaikiki2614]

@@ringingsilence9226 but then they'd be wanted criminals and the governments would be sanctioned to attack their pmc

[@kainoawaikiki2614]

@@blinkachu5275 they're not just a few soldiers, they're elite members of a coalition anti terrorist taskforce.

[@migueeeelet]

You know what I hate the most? This whole stadium and operator vs operator escapade feels like the biggest cop-out in order to avoid any further PvE modes.

[@-Alter-]

sir, the only PvE mode we ever got before the Tournament stuff was Outbreak. And since then we've recieved a literal PvE that allows you to play matches with actual bots + an overhaul of the Terrorist Hunt. Not to mention the entire game they made from Outbreak, that also released after the Tournament stuff. (Although it was in development before the Tournaments, plus its pretty bad). but overall, they've increased in focus on PvE stuff AFTER the Tournament Arc

[@Ziero_H]

A rainbow six game with no terrorist hunt…shameful

[@Un_Altra_Persona]

@@-Alter- The new terrorist hunt overhaul mode is terrible tbh

[@acey6991]

@@-Alter- you obviously are not a vet, situations were actually super fun and basically a better T-hunt

[@-Alter-]

@@acey6991 2 things bud. 1. I don't know if they've recently gotten rid of them, but Situations have been in the game for atleast 7 years. you don't need to be a "Vet" to have played them. 2. Situations were literally the games Tutorial and can all be recreated in T-Hunt. And although i've played since Velvet Shell, being a Veteran player literally has nothing to do with my reply. Ubi is a dog water company. But they didn't make a Tournement Anime style story arc just so they could have an excuse to not make PvE content.

[@ZeePanzer]

Who TF prints its organization name on the fuckyng bullets they use, wtf.

[@masteryoda8390]

I'd imagine companies that make bullets do

[@ZeePanzer]

@@masteryoda8390 im talking about the military organizations bruh

[@InsertFunnyThingHere]

Killer Bean type beat

[@Zaekr2111]

Pretty sure those bullets were manufactured by Nighthaven for their own use.

[@S.0.S.]

@@InsertFunnyThingHere LMFAAAOOOOOOO

[@TheGoodDoktor4451]

I was never wrapped up consistently in the lore updates for siege. But I do remember thinking, why did they make the leader for rainbow a hippy therapist?

[@cicadaknight3048]

Cuz he looks like most videogame writers nowadays

[@uncreativename826]

Seriously John Clark would hate it

[@caseycox1002]

Just threw up from how accurate this is ​@@cicadaknight3048

[@vp7877]

You know it's bad when the gacha game collab has better and more thought out lore and personality for the R6 characters than the actual game

[@motorsporttj1689]

Average Arknights W

[@vp7877]

@@motorsporttj1689 very real

[@Wolfkrieg-i1w]

Blue archive

[@Wolfkrieg-i1w]

Tru​@@motorsporttj1689

[@pedroescalona3842]

Yeah, the characterization is quite good, it is true that they take very well and somewhat quickly to live in a world similar but at the same time very different from theirs, with very clear similarities like Columbia, but Ash looked like a really cool leader. And it helped explain things on both sides of the games. I hoped the 2nd event expands on what they were doing.

[@Ontos_M50]

Tom Clancy is rolling in his grave so bad he could probably power a whole country

[@RKNGL]

Perpetual motion Clancy.

[@TheEFedsAreComin]

Yeah, the sellout hack of an author would probably be mad instead of spending the millions he got if he was still alive today. Dude wrote 3 good books and proceeded to shit the bed by the time he wrote the original rainbow six novel (which too, was complete dogshit compared to the hunt for red october). He never gave a shit and saw the games as a way to milk more money from his work and nothing more. He would have been over the moon with siege and how much money it's been making.

[@doesntmatter7560]

@@TheEFedsAreComin thats kinda gay

[@sebastiann.8088]

@@TheEFedsAreComin that's a little homosexual

[@Journey_to_who_knows]

“Tom Clancy’s rolling body, Rainbow Six Siege”

[@LamborghiniDiabloSVPursuit]

Remember when Rainbow was such breach of international law, that NATO and the UN would disavow them in a heartbeat if the world found out the true nature and origins of their organization? (John Clark specifically told you this) Yeah, apparently Ubisoft forgot that part when they made Team Rainbow and airsoft team. When this first dropped, even I couldn't believe what they were trying. This was as far removed from the setting as they could get.

[@brandonhughes4571]

I had at the beginning thought it was less a sport team and more a team training/ it not being Canon. Yeah that didn't last too long.

[@couldyou4745]

You'd be a fool to expect any better from Ubisoft.

[@couldyou4745]

​@@brandonhughes4571 that's what I thought as well.

[@roningfroggy]

To add onto that, in the original Rainbow Six book, during the Olympic stadium section, I can't remember if it was Ding and Mike, think to themselves about how what they are doing could never become an Olympic sport, unless they brought back Roman Gladiators. And then reflecting that what they do isn't for sport and isn't "mass entertainment for a kinder world."

[@collinmclaren6608]

John Clark would be FUCKING PISSED if this is how Rainbow turned out.

[@D3K43]

So you're telling me that while the Marine Corps were laying brass all over the Middle East, Rainbow Six was playing mock-battles in a stadium?

[@ZumbieGuy]

Basically, every other SOF/CTU unit in the world have been seeing actual action and stopping plots just like irl. Hell, a single Iraqi and Nigerian SOF who’ve been fighting ISIS for the last 10 years have more kills than all of Rainbow combined at this point

[@torakazu2269]

They say that the servers are maintained purely by the energy created by the speeds Tom Clancy achieves by rolling around in his grave.

[@matthewmccoy7437]

Lmaooo

[@cevatkokbudak6414]

OH 😂😅

[@Very_Nice_and_Polite_Person]

Why isn't this the top comment

[@Very_Nice_and_Polite_Person]

Why is this not the top comment

[@MB-ih2fx]

They have now turned his grave into a turbine type motor and is now powering up a town.

[@connorkensly5251]

There was a point in ghost recon wildlands where Nomad (the protagonist) asked Caviera about Operation Patriots, to which she replies, "it's classified." hinting that the events did indeed happen, the game just didn't.

[@zerozeroone4424]

The whole idea behind patriots would have made for one amazing game. I hope it gets ressurrected sometime soon and not censored in the slightest

[@Savagem8]

Eh, I feel that was just a joke against fans basically teasing "you'll never know what happens because we aren't going to go back and do it haha"

[@justinbruce9808]

@@Savagem8 yea that honestly pissed me off more then it amused me. I grew up playing rainbow six on Dreamcast and went from there. And to not only have a game I had religiously been reading the game informer for cancelled for e-sports fodder, but then to taunt me with that? Suck my gooch Ubisoft

[@Avariice2299]

@@Savagem8 yeah ubisoft is really snarky and loves to troll their playerbase, it's crazy

[@iterationfackshet1990]

@@zerozeroone4424from the leaks about the next ghost recon game it’s honestly going beyond what was even shown for patriots and going back to the tactical roots of the Tom Clancy series. It seems like Ubisoft is doing a complete 180 after their recent failures and are now listening to their fans.

[@benprint7615]

Dude the article 5 cutscenes and original operator videos were so badass. After your operator walks out of the decontamination tent, grabs his gun and rejoins his teammates as the music swelled.

[@trustworthydan]

"Fookin Lazer sights.."

[@offbeatberry]

The lore plays out like a WWE storyline between tag teams. They literally duke it out in the field, have beef when they’re not training, then they duke it out again. Except with WWE, their storylines are atleast coherent

[@S3verusMyG]

its so retarded that they try and make old ass military niggas seem like teenagers bickering and dating like some guys working at McDonalds

[@Tenkidcoop]

I need to say that, in regards to the stadium, having all the operators live together in one location has got to be the worst security risks I’ve ever heard of

[@nightigal]

The biggest security risk is the active broadcasting of their locations.

[@tipiet560]

I mean in the original book they had two teams of operators living in military baracks at herford airbase so this isn't too far off from the original. After all they had to be ready to fly out whenever a major terrorist threat was going on somewhere in the world so they can't just be flown in from who knows where before boarding the plane together.

[@theldapperapple2382]

@tipiet560 It couldn't be further from that? A barracks wouldn't have live spectators and a broadcast of what's going on. Plus, I'd assume it's much harder to find a military base housing these individuals than a literal studio people visit to watch.

[@tipiet560]

@@theldapperapple2382 I didn't say anything about live spectators or a broadcast lul? I just told about the original book and that the operators are all stationed in baracks at hereford base. There are obviously no spectators or broadcasts because THEY ARE FUCKING CTU OPERATORS.

[@dannymorales5549]

@@tipiet560 Whilst true, at least they wherent living together in a very public area where any terrorist could attack

[@doctorbobcat7123]

I don't understand why AAA games are so allergic to realistic / "mil-sim" type stories. The same thing happened with the MW reboot, they'll pretend to be serious for about a few months until they start adding in zombies, dabbing emotes and Snoop Dogg skins. It's not even that "realistic" games aren't popular, games like Arma and Tarkov are huge. I'm just so burnt out with how unserious most stories are in games now, it's sucks all the immersion out.

[@spetsnaz4537]

grit and seriousness diverts from the norm and that scares companies. also the masses who still watch twitch streamers for some reason and gravitate to valorant/overwatch (the big leagues of subsidised art direction in favor of e-sports) magnetise towards cartoon graphics and atmospheres with hyper-developed character personalities, who in turn generates fanbases whose only logical conclusion is fanart and porn. and cosplay too maybe, but that's probably still just porn. the answer is porn and money.

[@vryyyx]

for obvious reasons, because they don’t make as much profit doing so. Microtransactions make fuck tons of money in live service games, and you can’t sell generic mil sim cosmetics, because the consumers don’t care for that. They care for flashy, over the top, colourful etc, that shit doesn’t blend with mil sim. That’s why Snoop Dogg is in CoD, it makes money.

[@SakurakoLover]

Marvel movies happened

[@howdoyoudo5949]

@@vryyyx They should just start out as that then.

[@sagitta98]

That's sadly a common plague that has been ruining every live service FPS games. They let the game live too long to the point they run out of initial ideas then start adding goofiest shit humanity never thought acceptable in something that marketed itself as a serious shooter. Not only COD, it happened everywhere. Siege, CS Online, Crossfire. You'll always find a transformer looking gun in game and nobody thinks it doesn't match the game tone.

[@gabrielegr8282]

I don't really buy that the stadium plot was to make the story more escalable. What I think happened was that they realized making a game about anti-terrorists is inherently political, and they needed to tip toe around a lot of stuff to avoid offending anyone. They want to keep the game as apolitical as possible to attract more players. Think about the backlash they could have gotten if they had released any of the Russian ops now with the Ukraine war going on. Or what if suddenly one of the units featured in the game gets involved in a controversial situation like violations of human rights? Then an ignorant news station could run a segment about the game that let's you play as them. That's why they stopped featuring real anti terrorist units in the Operator's background. Deimos is an attempt to go back to the anti-terrorist roots, while keeping the conflict mostly internal. He doesn't really follow any political agenda, his whole motivation is focused on Rainbow itself.

[@mayochup4684]

I try to explain this all the time, this is a perfect way to describe this.

[@Mi_tala]

that sound kinda reasonable,i mean they cancelled rainbow six patriot for the same reason

[@NaiveOreo]

Sad that games cant tell their own stories and create characters without having to limit and worry due to people not understanding the difference between real like and fictional worlds

[@mayochup4684]

@@Mi_tala I’m really sad that Rainbow Six: Patriots got canceled, it looked like it would be a good game, it’s a shame

[@Mi_tala]

@@mayochup4684 well since how soft people nowdays,it unfortunately not possible for them

[@PassanCat]

The true worst part is, that someone got paid in "writing" this.

[@jeffbo8748]

Worse still, they probably had something much better originally and anything good got sandblasted off by crunch and Ubisoft wanting to make it “marketable to a wider audience”

[@Klongu_Da_Bongu]

@@jeffbo8748 Probably even worse, they had one of those company meetings where it was like "You know what's popular? Fortnite! We should make our game more similar to get bigger profits" type of situation.

[@tVt2000]

Can guarantee that they wanted to do something better but got messed over by the executives

[@kentreed2011]

E-sports and it's consequences were a disaster to PvP shooters.

[@catalintimofti1117]

Not true CS franchise

[@jacobgriggs9673]

@@catalintimofti1117 ah yes the OG of gambling in video games

[@dracvich]

@@catalintimofti1117 tbf speaking as a CS player Counter-Strike is basically a one-of-a-kind anomaly in the gaming industry If any other franchise had (more or less) the same gameplay for over 20 years it would've died, but it speaks to just how brilliant CS' gameplay loop is that it's still kicking around today in the big leagues Also CS is synonymous with competitive grassroots gaming, even since 1.6 there were a shit ton of LAN tournaments being hosted

[@catalintimofti1117]

@@jacobgriggs9673 one of my friends got 1800 dollar gloves Which prompted one of my other friends into trying his luck

[@Dr.Oofers]

Truth

[@FlamingZombie626]

Baffled by the arena thing entirely. Dude saw 1 anime with a tournament arc pop off and was like yeah I'll do that

[@thebusiness8212]

“It worked for Hunter X Hunter it can work for us as well!” - The Writers, probably

[@whitetober7825]

I was under the assumption for a while that it only existed to bring hype for the esports invitational, but didn't have any correlation to the lore itself like Extraction Which, I mean, tragically Extraction has a pretty good story (that I remember) but was abandoned by Ubisoft (as far as I'm aware) So go figure ig

[@daleksec01]

Ubisoft has basically looked at the lore team and went: "yeah we'll just make new operators, you just do... whatever makes you happy..."

[@ChampionVictor-cv5lh]

17:03 “You know-“ *proceeds to get an ad*.

[@Aleebi]

@@ChampionVictor-cv5lh literally just got that lmfaoooo

[@LonerDude.]

@@ChampionVictor-cv5lh Got it!

[@toonistiny]

Lmaaoooo saammeee 😂

[@respectedsalmon9390]

Bro just wanted to advertise Black Friday deals at Walmart

[@dizzpenzerr5367]

They really should have stated that Deimos is just a gameplay aspect and him playing along with their "training" is mostly non cannon. Heck they could have just hired a double for him and basically say "Hey, we think this is how this guy will operate. Play with/against him just so you guys can dip your toes on be ready when you fight him for real" Instead of basically saying "Yeah, this is the real guy. Why is he participating on the activities he hates so much? I dunno- I mean... It's some super secret reason, yeah. He's totally a 5head gigabrain and it is all part of his plan."

[@iAmLufa]

That’s such a smarter idea

[@ofal5124]

It's not like I want to participate in your stupid airsoft olympics B-baka!

[@contra7631]

At this point who cares about this games lore or about the game itself.Fk it.Theres literally skins of rick and morty,master chief and other goofy anime like women operators and people still cares about lore.Jeez.

[@mc85it26]

Thats literally exactly what they did

[@iAmLufa]

Nope thats a lie. The developers definitely expressed that this is the real Deimos@@mc85it26

[@bababooey8330]

So Deimos just wants the counter terrorism unit... to do their job and kill terrorists? But instead of like acting as an advisor to Rainbow like Zero, he just hunts them down and kills them to I guess prove a point that they're all pussies now?? It's funny how they wrote a villain who's main point is correct but his actions make no sense in relation to it. Deimos was a major missed opportunity to really dig into the morality behind a covert counter terrorism unit with no government oversight. If I could rewrite him, I'd make Deimos believe its dangerous to have CTUs exist unchecked, and decides he only trusts himself to run a Rainbow esque unit. So his goal is to essentially cannabalize every non-government CTU and for-hire groups like Nighthaven until hes the only one running what would basically be his version of Rainbow. So he'd first try to recruit anyone from other CTUs including Rainbow and Nighthaven, and those that said no or disagreed with his vision had to be eliminated. Additionally, and this part is slightly in the current lore but I would focus on it more, he actually wants covert ops to be, you know, covert. So the whole airsoft olympics thing very much pisses him off. Ok in a perfect world the stadium just would be scrapped entirely bc its obviously stupid as shit but it was already there before Deimos so I gotta work it in. He wants his CTU to be impossible to track for tactical efficiency, especially considering he's going to war with other CTUs, hence why he kills anyone that knows about him and doesn't join the cause. To tie his motivations together and make his beef with Rainbow personal, his backstory could be an op that went wrong and his whole team was killed. They were like family to him, and they died because whoever was running Rainbow at the time (I like the idea the leader is just called Six) didn't listen to his input on the op. Something like maybe he wanted to keep the op quiet but Six communicated with a local government for information, that info got out and led to an ambush. Then he has specific motivation to run Rainbow the "right way", seeing Rainbow as his white whale and ultimate goal of his crusade. While he initially reaches out to some ops about joining, maybe swaying some Nighthaven ops, his undisclosed goal is to kill Harry. Maybe he frames Nighthaven for Harry's death, causing a civil war between the two teams so he has less ops to contend with, leaving only the best ops alive and very open to join a well run CTU after their's was destroyed. He'd be the only one left for them to work for.

[@iAmLufa]

You need to be hired

[@AGnar0k]

Bro I would love this game again if this was the actual lore

[@averymicrowave1713]

Only thing I really disagree is your proposal for his background motivations, mainly because the Six at the time would've been either John Clark or Domingo "Ding" Chavez - who were HIGHLY competent at their jobs and both ran Rainbow like clockwork until a bad apple in Vegas nearly compromised the team's existence. I would maybe work Vegas into the story - with Gerald's team or family killed due to the data leaks, or have his team killed due to higher international bureaucracy (maybe some high level bureaucrats secretly compromised their operation as part of some deal, or were trying to force them to let some terrorist go). I would even add some consequence to Harry setting up the fucking stadium and essentially publicizing Rainbow's existence so there's actually some credence and threat to his desire to turn operators against eachother/to his side and more clear reasoning to Deimos killing him (I can imagine a lot of family-oriented operators supporting Harry's death if his actions led to terrorists targeting them or their loved ones). Maybe even imply that he had some backing from various government and military leaders because *publicizing your covert international CTU is VERY bad and you become a loose end*. So now Rainbow is contending not only with the threat Deimos poses, but debating if he operated within their mandate. And all this, while being much more compelling than the current lore, would also be a lot more Tom Clancy.

[@CheekyLad_]

Its more spectacular when hes killing people plus it lets you interpret him as either the bad or good guy, not saying that this is the better way to write him but im assuming ubi's intentions

[@averymicrowave1713]

@@CheekyLad_ True but atm his motivations are pretty weak and it's even weaker considering he's currently training with them when his whole reason for hating current Rainbow is they became a circus performance publicizing their training exercises instead of being the professional, stone-cold troops of his day.

[@Gannoh]

It's important to keep in mind that the first Rainbow Six novel was about trying to stop terrorists from releasing a lethal virus at the Olympics. For some reason, the writers thought it'd be a good idea to have the world's most dangerous task force in public, showcasing military tactics all under one roof at their own Olympics. Terrorists could literally just study Rainbow's tactics, or even better just kill all of Team Rainbow in one place. Insanely stupid writing, even for Ubisoft. And then, there's Nighthaven...

[@choppergunner8650]

The idea of making a PMC such as Nighthaven having any level of technological competition or sometimes being technologically superior to Rainbow is simply INSANE. John Clark said how difficult it was to get stuff to Rainbow, and even their heartbeat sensors were donated by the government or something. But nope, let's just see these bum-ass mercenaries outplay Rainbow like they're nothing.

[@roningfroggy]

Not to mention with those Olympics, Ding even thanks to himself about how what they do isn't sport and would never be shown at the Olympics.

[@choppergunner8650]

@@roningfroggy Ding and the other Rainbow members were literally undercover during the Olympics mission in Sydney. If I'm right, not even the Australian Police was to be informed that someone carrying a vial that cointained a lethal virus was around. Nobody even knew Rainbow were there. But nah, screw the novel, let's see Mira and Ash duke it out with a bunch of bums watching it from a stadium stand.

[@ZumbieGuy]

Just a friendly reminder the main reason why you can’t jump in the game as a gameplay mechanic was because the original special forces advisors that Ubisoft hired to help develop the game said jumping was pointless because of all the gear you wore. This was back when they actually listened to military experts

[@brazilianGuy254]

The moment that made me drop from the lore were when the ducking writers decided to pick up a elite anti terrorism unit and make them fitgh themselves in a damn stadium, where literally ANYONE can go in and watch their tactics and strategies, like you know what I will end this comment here before I say a lot of bad words.

[@Artician]

"where literally ANYONE can go in and watch their tactics and strategies" The internet:

[@PINESMALL_NOTREAL]

Harry: “Hey guys, I have an idea to show the whole world our own tactics!” T*rrorists: “I see this as an absolute win!”

[@foxprazision1695]

​@PINESMALL_NOTREAL so glad Harry is dead 😊 bring back john clark

[@golden-youtube-1]

I believe canonically only siege staff or smth could watch the event, but it’s still very risky

[@grigoriyremez8851]

@@golden-youtube-1 Why tf would they need a stadium for their own staff then!?

[@beatit2464]

Its like if the Rescue Heroes stop doing their actual job and saving people to do a special training all the time

[@Calvin_Coolage]

Or if GI Joe decided to host a field day and just let Cobra do NFT scams or whatever petty scheme they've cooked up for this week's episode.

[@beatit2464]

@Calvin_Coolage exactly you could call deimos Commander Cobra of siege And the same with the Decepticons

[@polargray1]

@@beatit2464 And then Cobra Commander and Destro would occasionally train with the Joes because they agreed

[@CrazyPlatinum92]

You fail me yet again Starscream

[@casualtr4sh]

Yo, rescue heroes was my shit.

[@owgamer7415]

I often think about how ace is supposed to be a natural disaster rescue guy saving people that works for a private mercenary group

[@dankim7831]

He always was an egotist

[@gameragodzilla]

Tom Clancy games used to mean something when the man himself was still alive and had some oversight over games bearing his name. To show how deeply he cared about authenticity, he almost nixed Sam Fisher’s iconic goggles because at the time, dual night vision and thermal goggles were impossible. He only relented when devs convinced him that swapping separate goggles would be too cumbersome for gameplay. Every game had to be authentic and use either existing or near future experimental weapons and tech. And all the soldiers and spies looked and acted like professionals doing a job and being badasses. Now it’s all complete bullshit.

[@sydssolanumsamsys]

tom clancy was a nationalistic militaristic fascist

[@LoremIPs2]

Thank God Tom Clancy isn't alive to see the shit they did to his beloved franchise.

[@friendlyfire3412]

Its like America Veterans, Video : "We Haven't Got the Country We Had When I Was Raised': 100-Year-old Veteran Worried About America" I can feel that man now... He would have said the same.

[@malaizze]

The best thing Siege ever did was trash that old loser’s legacy

[@euracleon]

@@malaizze broski mastered the art of bait

[@HotdogSosage]

@@euracleon would have to make rage to be true

[@reno239]

@@malaizzebait so unbelievable you couldn’t catch trout with it.

[@starsjosephfrost]

so the devs made “Deimos” as the evil personification of the OG players who wanted rainbow to go back to its original form yet they have the guts to make him bad and then turning him into a just a regular airsoft operator.

[@ProbNotCross]

*Deimos, he is called Deimos.

[@starsjosephfrost]

@@ProbNotCross alright thanks.

[@SBImNotWritingMyNameHere]

​@@starsjosephfrostgood Now don't make that mistake again

[@jurassicarkjordanisgreat1778]

Really goes to show you why games are so bad nowadays. Its because the developers dislike the playerbase and want to drive them away for their own slop.

[@LaRavachole]

​@@jurassicarkjordanisgreat1778If I was a dev and my playerbase was anything similar to Siege's, I'd hate it too lol

[@Kano_Productions]

I miss the old r6, when it took itself serious. Nowadays I'm fighting fuckin pickle rick

[@archbishopofthecrusades9579]

Yeah, I thought the games entire draw was that it was more grounded and serious than CoD or BF. Now it's just another shooter.

[@sendingit2601]

What sucks is that it sells. It all works still, so the machine continues to push on.

[@ChaseddiHondo]

I kid you not, R6's collab with Arknights (a gacha game) is leagues better with the story writing. Yes, 4 Siege operators got teleported to a different universe. Yes, they fight alongside anime girls with magic powers, but goddamnit the writers bring whoever had the reigns to this AAA title to shame. In the Arknights collab's storyline the characters' personalities are properly explored, they have an antagonist that makes sense (one would say the kind Tom Clancy himself would approve), the world makes sense (new lore becomes undisclosed), the writers don't self insert themselves and best of all, a gacha game knows how to fanservice and they did Lord Tachanka's character justice

[@TrollingWolfGaming]

It's a shame they gutted Rainbow Six: Patriots to make this game.

[@tobysealz3574]

I miss the good o'l days where I can fire up T-hunt with my friends and chat while we farm credits in a somewhat chill fashion

[@einsUNDcolt]

Team Rainbow in Arknights has a more serious story with a more realistic tone. And that story starts with Ash, Tachanka, Blitz, and Frost getting Isakei'd into a world where they have to fight magic mutants along side a talking lizard man and cat girls

[@indomaretlawrence1069]

He was a good Doctor.....

[@typeoddnamehere2362]

It's kind of funny that it also still does world building for Arknights, namely what happens when someone dies of funny rock cancer (Oripathy). Also how Team Rainbow's firearms work compared to how they work in Arknights, and the potential shitstorm that could cause.

[@DakotaofRaptors]

I only know of Arknights thanks to some fanart...is this legit the story?

[@einsUNDcolt]

@@DakotaofRaptors yeah, in broad strokes that is their story in Arknights. And in like 6 months that story is getting a repeat and we're getting a second story where Doc, Ela, Iana, and Fuze are trying to find the lost four; also get Isakei'd to the same world; and get caught up in civil unrest in Not Cuba and have to fight terrorist dog boys

[@mercenarydelta7351]

@@DakotaofRaptors yep it is. And it's better than what Siege lore is nowadays.

[@someaussieguy140]

I enjoyed Seige when it first came out, but i hate the direction they took the game. It went from being a serious and gritty game to yet another hero shooter with ridiculous and quirky characters. Its a good game, but it reallt shouldnt have Tom Clancy's name attached to it anymore.

[@TheSultan1470]

To be fair, it's not even refered to by it's full name most of the time

[@sampledgem6215]

I grew up with R6 Vegas and Vegas 2. The switch from a grounded story of an anti-terror group stopping terrors to E-sports was like going from GTA 4 to Saints Row 3.

[@G59forlife.]

At least Saints Row 3 isn’t anywhere close to sieges level of cringe tho

[@Gamingproductionv2]

Tbh the graphics for siege kind of went down over the year aswell as the story. Tactical shooter goes downward into anime drama levels of writing

[@eltacobandito]

Not the graphics, it was the lighting which i do wish they brought back

[@robertspeedwagon982]

the lighting was so damn good before, ALSO NIGHT MAPS RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

[@RickMoren477]

Which is funny that an anime game collab arknight treat R6 character better in that game than Ubisoft ever did. Probably help that Arknight developer is a huge fan of the game

[@bennetth.929]

@@robertspeedwagon982 Night maps werent great since you could easily see the attackers in windows and some skins made it hard af to see attackers too

[@robertspeedwagon982]

@@bennetth.929 it's realist, it mixes up the way people play (and other games with competent devs made similar maps togglable for sweaty tryhards who can't enjoy anything)

[@drippnjimmy1033]

Jesus Christ, I had no idea where the lore went after outbreak

[@nobodycares3900]

Oh God. Outbreak is another forgotten project.

[@The.empire.enjoyer]

@@nobodycares3900 outbreak was one of the best dlcs. Too bad everything went downhill after operation parabellum

[@nobodycares3900]

@@The.empire.enjoyer you know. I feel like operation para bellum was the last good update for rainbow.

[@The.empire.enjoyer]

@@nobodycares3900 for real

[@Somejaun]

@@nobodycares3900 Fr game finally died for me in shifting tides, now I only return like every 6 months to play a couple games

[@Kevwardusa]

Tom Clancy has to be rolling in his grave knowing how they turned his grounded IP into a E-Sports mega-simp cringefest.

[@sydssolanumsamsys]

good. tom clancy was a nationalistic militaristic fascist, fuck 'em.

[@corpsejaded]

as a very new siege player, i thought that the defenders and attackers had deep, interconnected lore that would explain why they are on separate sides and that they actually didnt like each other and viewed each other as enemies. turns out theyre all best friends training in front of thousands of people 💀.

[@Somejaun]

The most lore around that is between Ela and Zofia but even that is pretty shallow

[@corpsejaded]

@@Somejaun yh, i saw an explanation on that, and its so sad to see that they removed every single piece of lore from the gameplay to make the game competitive. Apparently, ela and zofia were both immune to each others concussion gadgets, and they both had withstand from what i heard.

[@Wazer.W]

@@corpsejaded Not quite immune but they recovered far faster than the other ops. And they did have withstand. Zofia was the first op to ever have withstand and I remember watching the livestream of the sneak peak and all my friends went nuts when we saw that

[@hemogoblin69]

@@corpsejaded hibana and pulse are in a relationship with each other, and echo can't receive calls from dokabei because they text each other irl and he blocks her number during a match, not joking

[@Why_does_this_exist_YouTube]

@@corpsejaded I always thought they were just doing training, just without the Thousands of people watching

[@alexm.a.d892]

Why this game needed more than "special forces fight against knock off KKK who gas people" for its lore?

[@moai6275]

Because they killed all the spicy air boys in article 5 and decided that they were cringe now.

[@GenericProtagonist7]

What, at all, is the similarity to the KKK other than them being terrorists?

[@choppergunner8650]

​@@moai6275out of all of my friends, I was the only one to actually beat Article 5, and it was absolute dogshit

[@moai6275]

@@choppergunner8650 im not saying it wasn't, im just saying they killed them off in it

[@archer454]

@@choppergunner8650 I actually really liked it. I beat it a bunch of times. I kinda wish they did more pve stuff but probably never gonna happen.

[@SirShadeyy]

I think that Deimos killing Harry is representative of the devs attempting to go back to a more grounded story without the stadium and games bs. Ever since Harry was killed off, they’ve had a more direct story of Keres versus Rainbow, but I can’t be bothered to learn about it past the surface level because there’s no gameplay content to experience the story in.

[@Beranus]

Yeah, imagine if they made proper Rainbow Six game instead of shit like Extraction.

[@hermitgreenn]

The "Harry" arc was the worst period of this dogshit franchise. "We should hire a psychologist to run an international anti-terrorism organization" what?

[@nasfoda_gamerbrbigproducti5375]

@@hermitgreenn Because the thing you need the most during an operation is love and team bound, not tactics or actual skills haha

[@VValkyr]

That cinematic gave me a ray of hope, and then next season came out packed with more cringe. Yeah, fool me twice ubi

[@LelandJ71]

Story is still gonna be shi. Same devs.

[@Mothlocks]

i genuinely forgot how this game used to be intense, i remember clearing article 5 for the first time and SWEATING around each corner

[@DylanoRevs]

Arknights made a better story regarding (some of) the operators than Ubisoft themselves. They even care more about the IP of them being a counter-terrorism unit

[@devilbuster20xx37]

I would bet my money that Blue Archive has more self respect than Siege

[@TheOrangeMan13]

didnt even know siege had lore 💀

[@iAmLufa]

Gameplay = 🔥🔥🔥 Lore = 🗑️

[@bigpotato3355]

@@iAmLufa Gameplay = 💀💀💀

[@mschf_0]

I wish it didn’t

[@epgamer1145]

@@iAmLufait’s the non shinny metal.

[@K3ntucky123]

Gameplay was pure trash, too many sweaty playerbase

[@RedCruuve]

You can tell by character design when the story shift happened as well. You cannot tell me that those that designed and wrote ops like Glaz and Kapkan are the same people that designed Sens, Junkrat and Roadho…sorry, Mozzie and Gridlock, Osa, Azami, Fenrir, Kali, Amaru, Iana, etc…

[@pipp972]

At least they're getting back on track. Solis, Deimos to some degree I guess.

[@choppergunner8650]

Oh God, Osa and Sens are the worst. Literally characters made to pander to a specific agenda. They would never get military training anywhere in the world, and even if they did, it certainly wouldn't be enough to land them a spot in the world's "best counter terrorist unit".

[@Dervitox]

@@choppergunner8650 bro gridlock weight like 2 tons, and is inside the best antiterrorist unit of the world, like wtf

[@choppergunner8650]

@@Dervitox yeah. Rapelling would be literally impossible (her body weight + all the equipment she carries would break her fucking back). And Aruni is literally handicapped (Capitão is handicapped too, but I guess losing an eye is definitely better than losing half a body), yet R6, which started out as a somewhat realistic game, wants us to believe that this woman can punch through wooden planks, can run at top speed and fire guns, all with prosthetics? Fuck off. Most Siege characters are a joke nowadays. It's literally characters made to fit agendas, and not characters to fit whatever's left of realism in Siege. Gridlock's supposed to combat "fat shaming", Kali's bio is literally about "the woman, oppressed by nasty men in her society, built her own mercenary army", Thunderbird is supposed to represent Native Americans, Flores is supposed to represent gays, Osa is trans, Sens is non-binary/toaster/whatever the fuck... like, when you watch roadmap reveals, you see that operator's country flag and you'd start to imagine how the operator would be. I always imagined that the Croatian operator would be some huge dude, with 200 pounds of muscles, probably a veteran of the Yugoslav Wars, scarred by the experience, probably lost his family to terrorists, joined the anti-terrorist squad to prevent more innocent lives from being taken, and not "they/them grew up in a place full of toys and had identity crisis when a teenager". The absolute disrespect to what the fanbase used to be, combined with excessive uses of unnecessary rebalancing of operators, weapons, "give an ACOG to this weapon, take it away from that weapon", "give him C4 instead of barbed wire, give her frags instead of flashbangs", taking maps in and out of the map rotation, and always remaking them to the worst possible designs that would make an architect kill himself, always pandering to Pro League as if the average player is as skilled as they are... that's what made me stop playing Siege altogether and said "fuck it". Never playing this piece of fucking trash ever in my life.

[@guilhermebranco8572]

Yup, the entire creative team was changed at around that point, not just the writers but creative director, artists, everything

[@demaloite8551]

Aren't the Rainbow Six operators recruited from the best-of-the-best special forces agencies around the world, and that means they basically need clearance from all of those special forces agencies in order to use their gear and operate in foreign countries? They're only able to get the unanimous clearance they have for their counter-terrorism operations due to the extreme severity of the threats they face. Why did all of these extremely serious, no-funny-business special forces agencies give Rainbow Six the clearance to use their operators and expensive equipment in airsoft tournaments?

[@RouGeZH]

Tom Clancy must be rolling in his grave. It's the biggest "F YOU" to the source material that I've ever seen.

[@lolohnah]

No that was x defiant, this is just a close second

[@pac-man163]

@@lolohnah at least xdefiant had sum decency to drop the tom clancy name, this definitely takes #1

[@matteoquellobrutto5765]

rainbow's story stumbled so that for honor story could fall of a cliff

[@jamesmoist1184]

The last time I checked For Honor lore consisted of mining dwarf fire crystals and the chinese being there? Is this still up to date?

[@matteoquellobrutto5765]

​@@jamesmoist1184 yeah: every season is divided in the early season lore wich can be summarized in "The Bad Guy™" (premium skin sold separately) goes usually (usually, as like 90% of the time) after "the super powerful magic item that was always there but nobody thought to get it first™" and then it evolves into the mid-end season lore that consist of "The Good Guy ™" (wich can be a NEW hero or a premium skin) getting pissed because of what "The Bad Guy ™" did and coming to For honor, as in the game and the place, to kick is ass and ending up staying because he\she didn't have the money to buy a bus ticket.

[@jimmytrex0920]

I love how in Overwatch, you can pair Doomfist, the main baddie that Overwatch is hunting down, with the Overwatch team themselves and nobody cares

[@OrionDawn15]

One thing that I despise about hero shooters. It's immersion-breaking to see someone blatantly working with the opposing faction.

[@scoobydoo7275]

@@OrionDawn15 immersed in overwatch lmfao

[@KhezuOnYourScreen]

​@OrionDawn15 the only thing about overwatch I'm immersed in is the VR porn

[@midgematic8659]

They also recently added the Omnic terrorist that spearheaded/lead the Omnic uprising, yknow, one of, if not THE biggest wars in Overwatch’s world? The war that Overwatch was created for? Right there fighting alongside Soldier 76. That game is goofy ngl

[@OrionDawn15]

@@scoobydoo7275 You can be immersed in... most games, under the right conditions. It's not unreasonable to want. Also I didn't specifically say 'Overwatch' now did I?

[@novemberbravo6194]

Wow. I mean, just...wow. I had no clue that this was the direction that the game’s story went. Granted, I’m a 100% PVE guy, so I’ve never played it, but I remember watching the trailers for the base version of the game and thinking it looked really cool. You’re absolutely right, this seems like it’s gone utterly off the grid in terms of being ridiculous and removing itself from the grounded, realistic tone set by the early days of the franchise. Thanks for taking the time to make and share this; even for someone like me who’s never played the game, I still found it fascinating!

[@shadowmarine9706]

Ever since Fortnite and battlepasses became popular, the story which is true for other games as well is where games pursued the live service model which was when cosmetics and quirky characters were emphasized over realism and integrity.

[@jurassicarkjordanisgreat1778]

Yeah all these live service games have the worst lore in gaming and I am so fed up with it. People need to call this out more. The lore DOES matter and gamers deserve better. I want the next generation of gamers to have storys as good as halo to play. Not this fortnite slop. Cause thats what it is, its slop and lazy.

[@roguedoge2479]

Oh I don't even give the story any thought. There IS no story. It's literally just whatever improvised bullshit they can think of every couple months that doesn't completely derail the improvised bullshit they've come up with so far. I've never seen "Assassins Creed 2" level-lore from a live-service game.

[@Blanktester685]

Story in modern halo is ass aswell.

[@eamonwharton-ye3dy]

Deimos could’ve been a 1v5 mode, with Deimos having a bunch of buffs, like higher health, full knowledge of openets, and a base that had a lookout and maybe a drone or cannon or smth

[@joelastr]

Yeah, like a juggernaut game mode

[@bigman9854]

Imagine if instead of a stadium it was all based around intense training in a covert kill house training ground somewhere. Surely someone thought of that instead to be more grounded and achieve the same thing

[@Francisco-ow6bl]

That's just old hereford base. Until they gutted it and made it into a villa

[@HomelanderXVI]

1:37 there are no zombies in ba sing se

[@maksimradomirovic7961]

@@HomelanderXVI you deserve a reward.

[@ReticularTunic7]

3:31 You can get demonetized for saying “Terrorist” now ? What happens if you were playing Counter Strike and the announcer says “Counter Terrorists win” ?

[@Dr.Oofers]

Death

[@janpawulonduo2137]

KZbin's just looking for excuses to not have to pay revenue money.

[@generalmarkmilleyisbenedic8895]

This is their MO dude. Open your eyes

[@justhere4637]

@@generalmarkmilleyisbenedic8895 What does MO mean?

[@b1gs3xy17]

@@justhere4637 "Modus operandi" or "mode/way of operating"

[@loganswalk8621]

They could’ve just had the White Masks funded by a rogue state of Whateverstan lead by a charismatic dictator and have them be the main villains for awhile.

[@randomindividual948]

Or have Aurelia funding them to have both the White Masks and Rainbow at her beck and call.

[@cevatkokbudak6414]

Or they can stayed with monsters but more scawy

[@eccentricjoe8786]

truly the mediumest outcome

[@rcinpact4480]

When that loading screen of the game changed I knew it was the beginning of the end. No more Terrorist. No more maturity, no more tactical decisions or politics. Just a generic shooter with some destruction. I really was hopping it wouldn’t come to that, I held hope, but year after year I finally saw the writing on the wall and deleted the game, for it wasn’t what I originally bought it for. While the skeleton is there the soul is gone, and I miss it. It’s not a Tom Clancy game anymore, it’s a Ubisoft Game with a Tom Clancy Sticker over it. :( RIP

[@Geek-x]

bro r6 has had its highest player count in 9 years, keep yappin little fella

[@thepurpleemu]

doesnt matter I like the game but I hate the art style and the new direction of the game and it doesnt hit the same

[@Djaydagoat-23]

for me the game lost itself when Ubisoft started sucking off esports players." OOoooOOO ZoFIaS aBiLiTy Is BrOkEn" when rook armor does the same thing with more health. anyway they took everything fun and useful to the player all because esports players couldnt play the game with these features. Team Kick system, the old team kill system, the old ranked abandoned sanction not banning you for 30 mins for getting disconnected from a match, hell you cant even cook a grenade anymore

[@juggram_99]

​@@thepurpleemuwhy would you want the team vote kick and the old tk system back bruh 💀. I would understand if you are just a troll, otherwise it is really dumb

[@K3ntucky123]

​@@Geek-xbro rainbow six has lost its peak of "Tactical" shooter, keep talking little fella

[@kubz1570]

I really like the stadium cinematic's first half. Training at the ABANDONED stadium. Using the training dummies as targets, having those obstacles and reusing the location is so cool... But then they made it a public event.

[@PanzerMan332]

What's funny is that The Finals does what R6 basically does, but way better because it was always supposed to be a goofy premise for a multiplayer FPS. There was never a serious grounded backstory to trample on.

[@takedown205productions6]

Probably my biggest gripe, besides the tourney revealing the identities of Rainbow Operatives, was Operation Chimera. Doc was somehow allowed to make a decision over his head, that nearly resulted in the whole world getting infected and turned, just because he disapproved of a nuclear device being used to stop it. Some of the operatives are humanitarians, when they shouldn't be, and it's stupid.

[@Follow_your_path]

Deimos was the only good thing they added in a while and then they arrest and and take him in after just adding him in a trailer he ain’t even last a couple months 💀

[@iAmLufa]

Bro might be the worst mercenary of all time

[@Sprutky]

I mean, he was first revealed longer ago. He just lost his first fight immediately😂

[@Follow_your_path]

@@Sprutky he sold

[@HalfBakedHeroes]

The second Tom Clancy died, some men in suits screamed "BURN HIS LEGACY TO AASSHHH"

[@shycho1690]

The whole tournament thing can work if instead of being a public event it's a private event which is used to recruit new operators and test their skills, you can have drama between the old and new operators and if still want audience you can have military guys cheering their buddies

[@cicadaknight3048]

This is already a million times better than what we got lmao bravo Shycho, Ubisoft should've hired you instead

[@Addicted2Coffein]

I always loved the idea of an full length siege campaign were you would fight the white masks and could play with your friends, but sadly we probably won't get that and if so it would most likely be it's own spin off game to get more money out of the franchise

[@fnyquist8779]

I’d definitely recommend Ready or Not which is basically the game you’re describing. A realistic tactical shooter where you play as a member of a swat team through a series of connected missions. Either Coop or commanding a squad of AI.

[@gdshark9558]

Ngl I was so happy Deimos dropped Harry

[@jeffbo8748]

A much better way to keep it in-line with the Tom Clancy Brand is have the two-team drama be because they joined competing PMCs who disagree on rules of engagement (one is by-the-books, one is shoot-first-ask-questions-later). An op goes wrong and hostages get killed, Rainbow splits up. Boom, _drama._ It’s not original but it’s *something.* A lot of modern media is losing its identity by stripping away its own lore/tone/aesthetics and replacing it with colourful, safe garbage because corporate execs who never even engage in that media want to appeal to the broadest audience possible.

[@moonmoon4537]

The stadium idea works just fine, but they should have explained it by saying something like: ‘The stadium is a showcase of new state-of-the-art production military hardware (operator gadgets) and tactics, with the intent for military contracting.’ Essentially, all of the operator gadgets are new technology developed by private companies (or by the operators themselves) and are being showcased in simulated setting, with the intent of selling them for military production. Makes a lot more sense than this being a sporting event

[@Sorain1]

Heck, have the cooperate end be why it's a 'sporting event' because they wanted financing. (and/or tax breaks)

[@felwinter2736]

Imagine a private company asking about bandit's fucking car battery gadget

[@nooloo5968]

@@felwinter2736 or damn sledgehammer

[@skellybonz5467]

@@nooloo5968 well that works a lot more than a car battery, sledge hammers are still used by some swat teams and other groups. Bandit has 3 car batteries while his coworker Jeager uses a compact ballistic defense system. Also rook is literally just a extra layer of kevlar

[@tomkiernan254]

Tom Clancy is spinning like a turbine in his grave. (Even his most ridiculous plot lines have nothing on this mess).

[@BladeLigerV]

They found out that it was much more lucrative to toss out all the PvE and the writers and start shilling nothing but cosmetics and over hyper-focusing on the overly competitive scene.

[@GravityTrash]

I knew R6's lore was silly, but I didnt realize the paintball arc was actually supposed to be a major part in the lore, that is actually criminally stupid. Making Outbreak canon would've actually been a less ridiculous decision.

[@BigDawg-ef4lp]

Hell they still even handled outbreak well, it affected a single small town that was immediately quarantined and they sent the real life CBRN to go deal with it, yeah it’s literally alien infection zombies but it wasn’t completely goofy it still had some grounding

[@bigpotato3355]

I don't think story is a main part in r6 because the target audience isn't interested in it. Like you said, they're in it for the gameplay, and the company notices that.

[@iAmLufa]

I would agree except for the fact that you can see Ubisoft has heavily invested in their story over the last 3 years, arguably more than when the game started. They care about building their story because they have made dozens of CGI animations for it, and they push those animations like through the map stadium. But the writing is bad

[@xBINARYGODx]

@@iAmLufa I don't think that's really to make any player care about the world in a detailed or specific sense - Raycevick (forgive the butchered spelling) argued recently for Ubi really pushing spectacle in marketing, no matter if the rubber actually meets the road in their games - so it's possible that CGI and other stuff really only exists for the flashiness, and is hollow otherwise because they don't really care beyond the marketing affect.

[@_Ryder.b]

W PROFILE BROOOOO

[@LordSoundWave]

Its in a story focused series tf you mean?

[@Walleyedwosaik]

GORILLAZ PFP

[@noobguy9973]

Bro Deimos is literally all of us who say f*ck Siege that thing shits all over Tom Clancy's legacy and they should've just continued with R6 Patriots ... at least Ghost Recon hasn't been turned into cartoony esports game like come on none of these games are going to over throw Counter-Strike why even bother.

[@thatonefpsgamer1339]

Awww that's cute. Take the copium

[@noobguy9973]

@@thatonefpsgamer1339 nah I would just prefer if the world stopped changing stuff I used to love for worse.

[@thatonefpsgamer1339]

@@noobguy9973 remember these opinions are subjective. I know you might be too small brained to understand that

[@epgamer1145]

@@noobguy9973ESG scores tell them to change crap

[@krit6678]

ghost recon has been dog shit since wildlands what are you smoking

[@dianabarnett6886]

They turned Rainbow...into a public sports team. WTF.

[@Bamboozler2349]

Also, don’t these operators still belong to their own countries and units? If they aren’t needed by rainbow anymore because the global white mask threat is defeated, then it would make sense that they return to their countries to be used by their countries for missions and operations.

[@Ballingcat45]

Look at how they massacred my boy. The old Vegas games were so good and I remember enjoying the story with the white masks when the game first released. What happened to Ubisoft

[@iAmLufa]

Ballingcat45

[@daveinthemicrowave]

rainbow six 3 raven sheild is fantastic too

[@gamelover1779]

that’s because it was all for fucking esports. it’s always about greed or clout. greed is ruining the gaming industry

[@azerty1933]

All companies just want to make the new fortnite which is a shame. If anything doom showed that people want single player shooters and are willing to pay for them I wish we could get a single player tactical shooter that is only a single player tactical shooter

[@OrionDawn15]

@@azerty1933 Transience is a SP tactical shooter being made by BigFryTV, a youtuber. There's also a free demo on Steam. Assuming it's good at launch, it might just be up your alley.

[@EliHayabusa]

Deimos is just a playable character he’s still a villain not on team rainbow

[@eliteraider6187]

Yup that’s right. Same with Nighthaven except they’re not villains. PvP is not canon at all.

[@meat.]

@@eliteraider6187which is sad and funny because them trying to integrate the PvP into the lore is what made it ridiculous

[@CoolJoshido212]

@@eliteraider6187 they tried to canonize the pvp

[@gots0359]

@@eliteraider6187pvp is canon. It's considered a training inside the siege world. Even if it isnt, why bother with lore if its not even connected to single piece of gameplay? (singleplayer or multiplayer)

[@lazyvoid7107]

@@gots0359 BF and COD much?

[@Reveal_City]

This seems to be part of a much larger trend. Notice how there are barely any military shooters, let alone tactical shooters, around anymore? Of those there still are, how many of them are using realistic weapons, vehicles or operators?