Best Government Type in Europa Universalis? EU4 Monarchies and Tribes Tier List

This is my tier list on all monarchy and tribal government types in Europa Universalis. In this tier list we rate different government types to eachother and weigh their strengths and weaknesses. I also cover what nations have and what nation can use different government types.
My next tier list will be with republic and theocracies so make sure to subscribe to not miss it.
Do you agree or disagree with my categorization? Then let me know down below in the comments.
This was made in 2020 on patch 1.30.3
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[@AbsoluteHabibi]

Chat in my discord community: discord.com/invite/aDfwx9r

[@Alfred_Leonhart]

If you form Persia and switch to Zoroastrian do you get to keep feudal theocracy or does it go away?

[@AbsoluteHabibi]

Avery of Astora good question, I will test this and let you know

[@generationboot5964]

no

[@rockbert6482]

where are the theocracies and Republics ?

[@flimpeenflarmpoon1353]

English monarchy is kinda annoying. Not having the nobility in 1.30 is really bad when you can get strong duchies, mil points, manpower, general cost etc

[@avpthegreat]

Exactly. And the fact that the English Civil war does not provide a way to get out of it. You have to go republic then go monarchy from that.

[@psychic_beth]

it's pretty stupid how the English monarchy lowers absolutism by a lot while a standard monarchy with a parliament doesn't. even with no nobility estate, I would totally keep the English monarchy if it didn't lower the max absolutism by that much

[@sephikong8323]

Also, am I the only one bothered by the fact that parliamentarism and English Monarchy remove the nobility completely ? England and Poland (the other Kingdom with a true parliament) were not without nobles and in fact, in both cases the parliament was MADE of nobles, so I don't really see the logic behind

[@rianhoward3911]

@@sephikong8323 I think the point is that the nobility is now represented through parliament rather than through the nobility estate, so interacting with the nobility is now done via the buttons in parliament rather than estate interactions

[@sephikong8323]

@@rianhoward3911 Well, the problem here is that by pressing this magic button, I also collect all of their crownland in one fell swoop, and since Parliamentary Monarchy (unlike English monarchy) doesn't incur an absolutism hit, everytime the age of absolutism is about to drop I simply grab that reform for all of the crownland which gives me more absolutism and faster for a faster Court and Country etc Parliamentarism already forbids regular estates interactions so I don't think that removing the nobility estate is really crucial, what you are saying would already be represented by the in game mechanics, but it would also not have this instant Thanos Snap effect on the nobility and act as if your country suddenly becomes a noble free utopia ......

[@glewstick6655]

All the weebs cringe everytime he says "Dynamo" instead of "Daimyo"

[@AbsoluteHabibi]

gahh I tried :(

[@glewstick6655]

@@AbsoluteHabibi don't worry im just making jokes. everyone knows what you mean

[@glewstick6655]

@@AbsoluteHabibi Love the videos btw. Easily my new favourite EU4 channel!!

[@mackycabangon8945]

Also pronouncing Valois as 'Valloy"..

[@jacobseager4897]

And Valois as 'Valoy'

[@sergeydoronin1579]

Iqta is pretty powerful when you are a colonial empire, because colonies count as your vassals.

[@imokin86]

Yeah, I played as colonising Andalusia recently, it's like press button to get 200k manpower.

[@Stickmanlolz]

That explains how I got so much money from my Brazil as Morocco

[@flimpeenflarmpoon1353]

Yeah I don't know why its no the same tier as plutocracy and autocracy. It's the same thing but with a bonus. You want a 1000 ducats cause you have a lot of vassals? You need manpower? You need to keep your vassals in line? It's really good imo

[@rickbergolla4055]

That is crazy I never thought of it but I know what I'm gonna do now

[@guntugakgun1924]

can you annex them

[@archimedes6154]

Plot twist: you can remain typical monarchy as poland after getting lithuania under PU if you give 4 privileges to the polish nobility(honestly idk how the zchzhchlahta is spelled) The 4 privileges will prevent you from getting fifth privilege cuz 4 is the maximum kekw

[@AbsoluteHabibi]

Clearly you are the biggest brain of all players KEKW

[@psychic_beth]

3000IQ strats right there

[@mytn4576]

"(honestly idk how the zchzhchlahta is spelled)" That is simple actualy Szlachta

[@sumselknoten]

Interesting. This is for example not the case as Burgundy when you grand the Low Countries "The great privilege". If you already have 4 privileges for your burghers it will just not be visible but is still there. So another one has to be revoked before you can revoke this one :)

[@niepowaznyczlowiek]

You can turn absolute in the 1600s

[@Rabenfell]

Please use the wiki in future tier lists just like this time. It’s really hard to follow along your nation tier lists when we have no idea what the ideas of the nations are and just look at them in vacuum.

[@svetliodoychinov5580]

Dynamo government type best sad you can be forced to commit sepenko

[@joehelland1635]

Its the most energizing, i find it quite electrifying and powerful.... Kappa

[@TheEpicpotatokiller]

it's pronounced sudoku

[@martinkovar4323]

20:44 Estates will be disabled only without the Mandate of Heaven. It is actualy quite OP for WC, I they rebalanced it. Mandate it now much easier to manage you only loose it for devastation in your states, corruption, having more than five loans. The downsides are that celestial reforms might be sometimes painful to do and meritocracy, which is not hard to deal it in early game. It was probably F tier before but in 1.30 it is A tier or S tier. You can get -20% core-creation cost. After you finnish celestial reforms, you can benefit from permanent -10% stability cost modifier and -2,5 national unrest. You don't even have to do the reforms. It works so well with Qing ideas for example.

[@Burzgash]

The wiki has got Celestial Empire factually wrong. Atm(`1.30) I am making a WC with Qing with Celestial Emire and I got 3 estates with the privileges for + 1 monarch point, On top of that Mandate got buffed and unless you have a lot of devastation or 300+ dev horde on your border AND no truce with it it is really easy to keep it going up and get some sweet bonuses!

[@AbsoluteHabibi]

Wow I need to check it out then!

[@alternateaccount4673]

I've been waiting for a video like this for so long Subbed/liked/shared, channel deserves more love

[@pinkpidgeon6926]

8:32 Your leader cannot be killed by shogun if you have +50% liberty desire so for japanese minors its really problem in early game.

[@thelivingstorm6600]

You should try a Brabant to Netherlands game it's very fun especially the massive HRE coalitions that murder you :)

[@francogiobbimontesanti3826]

Who the form the Netherlands with Brabant. In my head the only legitimate way to form the Netherlands is with Fezzan

[@thelivingstorm6600]

@@francogiobbimontesanti3826 no you can only form the Netherlands as Ulm

[@thelivingstorm6600]

@@gabri-immortale I had something similar happen to me the commonwealth and the ottoman empire joined a coalition against me

[@dylanb2990]

@@gabri-immortale North Italy is the hre

[@daytonulrich364]

Personally I prefer to form them as Creek but to each their own

[@derpi686]

I'm so glad you're finally blowing up dude, watched you since 200 just waiting for the moment ur subs are going to start rapidly go up :D

[@bajlozi6873]

Really interesting video. Good job!

[@NemJani]

Hot take: independent daimyo is not that good. It sounds good in a vacuum, but let's look at it in practicality. I'm by no means an expert on this, but I'm pretty sure, the only time you get to be independent daimyo, is when you have been a daimyo and your Shogun gets overthrown. And the one, overthrowing is probably already you. You have to become independent daimyo before you annex Kyoto, so you take the reform, but then you probably immediately want to become Shogun, which is a much better government type. Of course you could always just not become Shogun and stay as independent daimyo, but I don't see a good reason outside of roleplaying aspects.

[@AbsoluteHabibi]

thats a good argument. There was one time where I split Japan with another player in a MP lobby. He took the shogun, and I remained an independent daimyo. 10% morale is a decent amount but other than that, its very medicore.

[@pinkpidgeon6926]

6:44 army tradition is more useful since paradox nerfed lots of army tradition modfiers in 1.30

[@rileyrose5166]

21:00 you actuallyl misread that. It says it has factions if estates are disabled, meaning that Celestial Empire can have estates.

[@macaronisushi4512]

I was so mad when I couldn’t get the feudal theocracy when I went zoroastrian

[@AbsoluteHabibi]

sadge

[@pinkpidgeon6926]

23:46 English monarchy should be like C/D tier because of nobility being disabled which is huge setback.

[@warthoggoulags1679]

In multipayer, in singleplayer it's not realy a problem

[@pinkpidgeon6926]

@@warthoggoulags1679 call diet disabled no mil monarchs and no manpower bonus.I argue it matters in both sp/mp.

[@warthoggoulags1679]

@@pinkpidgeon6926 yeah but the bonus taht the parlements gives are worth it in sp

[@pinkpidgeon6926]

​@@warthoggoulags1679 yeah only noteworthy bonus being colonist/free general. I mean if you are going colonial it might be worth it.

[@burakbayrakc1020]

28:45 aq qoyunlu and qara qoyunlu are not arabian, aq is turkish and qq is azerbaijani

[@Saulman1984]

As Lithuania, you can form Russia or Ruthenia or any other of the Eastern Slavic releasable nations, I assume, by making one of the Eastern Slavic culture groups your primary culture and the decision to swap into another eastern Slav nation should show up in the "Policies and Decisions" HUD screen in EU4.

[@hoyinching9313]

Hordes are insanely good in the new patch

[@williamsessions4110]

Will you share the URL for the EU wiki, my computer does weird things when I try to go through Paradox?

[@impogba1]

Air by Bach is the name of the song at the start :)

[@SJ-xb7lg]

Absolutesky habibski

[@Rune-Thief]

Are you sure you lose Mamluke Government when forming Arabia? I heard you keep it unlike when you form Egypt.

[@tecumseh93]

As a Shogunade you can make your Dynamos commit Seppumku. Close enough Habibi.

[@tigrecito48]

can you do a tier list not just based on the normal game and normal nations but based on their cost when making a custom nation? because soem that you might list as high tier might not be so high tier if they cost 75 points etc

[@mackycabangon8945]

From the generic 3 i always chose Feudal Nobility cuz I have 0 idea what unjustified demands does

[@glewstick6655]

It costs diplo points in a peace deal when you include things that aren't the war goal. things like annexing provinces and forcing vassalization will cost you diplo points if they aren't the war goal. That is what unjustified demands are. So -10% unjustified demands just means its costs 10% less dilpo points to do these things

[@magsati3638]

it reduces the dip cost of taking stuff in peace deals that are outside of the casus belli you used e.g. taking provinces you don't have claims on if you used conquest

[@mackycabangon8945]

@bothofyouguys knew that just now from the video lol

[@sprites75]

i'll have to look to that combines mughal thing. of form tham as Oman, just for the fun of it

[@P.H.226]

in my opinion both iquta goverments should be a bit higher especially that iquta is simply better than autocracy, same with elective monarchy because it's op - you can pu literally all of europe, also it give you the union with lithuania and national unrest, maximum absolutism is not imprtant because you can become absolute monarchy in event - so it gets amazing bonusses that can carry you through early to mid game, however it shouldn't be in SS tier (only S) because you can't really control who is your ruler and it's sometimes hard to take good dynasty. also in my opinion austrian reform should be in SS tier because it saves you tons of diplomatic power - that you need as austria in order to finish ideas, anex vassals etc. also -2 national unrest is great the only downside is that you don't start with it but the same thing can be said about mughals. mamelukan gove type is too high, 2 admin point's are good same with culture and gov capacity bonus but the fact that you must stay as mamluks kills it because their ideas aren't the best - they are mostly for trade + 5% discipline but they unit type is bad i'd put them in A tier. celestial empire in my opinion is D or even C - true that it's better to form yuan without it but it's because you do this as horde if you're playing other nations mandate isn't really that bad - gives you nice bonusses, also meritocracy is actually good because you can generate a lot of monarch point's for free wtih cheaper advisors, it was in F before removal of "not enough tributaries" but now you form for example qing conquer land, spam tributaries and can run over whole asia and europe with economy. same with shogunate, you can literally vasalise whole world and it gets nice bonuses - only downside is that you can't become an empire but with tons of vassals it's okay - SS tier in my opinion. same with english monarchy it's not even close to be as good as elective monarchy so both can;t be in A tier.

[@NeoMicy]

So whats about the Republics tier list? Cant find them.

[@luckyme8723]

Waiting for part 2

[@bek541]

Daimyos could be S because nobody stays in japan after conquered all island. Against ming or colonial countries such as spain morale army and infantry ability are good especially when you combined them with the ideas like quality.

[@jonatangraversen7623]

can you please specify when you make this kind of tierlist if you are talking about MP or SP? i know you are a skilled MP´er, but some of the things you say make me think you are talking about SP so im not sure.

[@sokyu7723]

I like how you adopt the government of the neighboring country which means that natives can theoretically access literally any government reform not restricted to religion I gave Inca an English Monarchy

[@Matso444]

what is the music you used in the background? sounds chill

[@youngyoughurt]

Lol dynamo

[@user-Erimej]

What happened to this Republic & Theocracy government reform tier list? Somehow I can't even find it!

[@anonvideo738]

Celestial empire doesnt have estates if you play ming (they get factions). If you play another country and take the mandate you will keep your estates. Their +300 GC is the biggest buff of them all, you get permaclaims all over the china region, and you can you get -20%CCR via reforms+policy. You only dodge it as yuan/qing because the mandate takes away your horde government.

[@martinkovar4323]

You get estates even as Ming if you have Mandate of Heaven DLC. And it is much better than it used to be. Now it can be pretty OP for WC.

[@SamuelChac0n]

independent dynamo

[@Muhammed552]

Prussia one should be SS if you asked me it is a very strong one Feudal Theocracy you also get it when you form Caliphate

[@defenestrationwindow7827]

In my mamluks to arabia game when I formed arabia i kept mamluks government. Which was annoying given my whole goal was to have a ruler called lawrence

[@AbsoluteHabibi]

really? I always thought that mamluk gov is lost with new nation formation

[@jordangoffin5112]

@@AbsoluteHabibi it s when you form eagypt that you loose mamluks government

[@todayssubject7055]

I mostly agree.

[@darkmasterlord57]

What is the piano music starting around 5:30

[@vigosfilm4809]

Did you forget about states general

[@ousamadearu5960]

Hindi Republic is truly Overpowered

[@carlosturris9935]

If you like custom nations try playing a Feudal nobility custom nation owning the provinces of ashigaka and getting all the daimyos but they can’t fight each other and they help you fight wars better than daimyos and don’t take diplomatic slots but you can’t get more daimyos only vassals so don’t annex them unless they are landlocked Try to extort your daimyos with vassalage taxation modifiers such as high legitimacy, feudal nobility, influence ideas and policies, events, parliament and ideas so customize your custom nation to have vassal based ideas You don’t need vassal force limit because influence policies and ideas give you that also you extort your vassals so they can’t get much soldiers

[@flimpeenflarmpoon1353]

Steppe Nomads not in SSSSSSS tier?

[@carlosturris9935]

Me learning As independent daimyo Vassalize ashigaka while they have some daimyos left and they will stay there daimyos and then they can’t fight each other and will actually help? Hmmmm

[@tigrecito48]

you say you got 1000 subscribers just before posting this? how did you go from 1000 to 14.5k in 2 months?

[@AbsoluteHabibi]

I have no idea man

[@alguienanormal3040]

¿When will you rank republics?

[@AbsoluteHabibi]

Early next week most likely

[@Ugapiku]

Lithuanian government type isn't the best, but the country it self has a good mission tree (tho it is small and lacks stuff for a country worthy of being a world power) where if Lithuania has boosts and you form PLC you get to keep those boosts for ever!

[@nicbahtin4774]

10:40 just don't get partitioned like historically

[@matthaeushilpold9851]

wdym celestial empire f?! You get 300 gov cap, which early in the game is great. it makes you and empire. you get -10% CCR, -2.5 unrest, -autonomy and +1 admin skill on ruler. you can choose to get another additional -10% dev cost and -10% CCR when expanding, +20% ship durability to kick malayas or japans ass, +10% inf CA when fighting european dudes or tax/trade when at peace. Cmon, it's great.

[@martinkovar4323]

It was bad in previous patches. Now it is great.

[@DickePerserkatze]

At 21:24 you say you dodge the Empire of Heaven by dismantling it. How do you dismantle it?

[@AbsoluteHabibi]

If you fully annex the nation that holds the mandate without taking the Mandate of Heaven, you will end the mandate

[@DickePerserkatze]

@@AbsoluteHabibi Oh didn't know that. Thank you :D

[@marcolerga3586]

What is the name of the music?

[@user-nl3pf3tz5t]

What about Ambrosian Republic?

[@retrosrobloxreviews9564]

At least we all know that peasants republic is OP

[@KreaSHeR]

Dues Folt CB lmao

[@darkflamemaster000]

Holy shit, your pronunciations make me wanna commit “SEPENKU”

[@tigrecito48]

what do you mean by "CURSED" when you talk about getting austrian monarchy with mughul?

[@AbsoluteHabibi]

BLURSED

[@tigrecito48]

@@AbsoluteHabibi dunno what that means either lol

[@AbsoluteHabibi]

Kevin Tenuta imagine a nation with an Austrian imperial monarchy but also has the Mughal government system. This is possible for some reason in eu4, I did it in my Provence run and one of the players in my custom nations battle is also doing it

[@tigrecito48]

@@AbsoluteHabibi i was thinking of doing a Timurid playthru, going for mughal but i assume i cant get the austrian monarchy that way... ive only played 100 or so hours so these advanced things are probably beyond me right now..

[@AbsoluteHabibi]

Kevin Tenuta hahaha the only way you can get Austrian imperial monarchy with Mughal diwan is to be Austria or to reform Austria (after full annexing them) and completing the mission that requires you to annex Hungary, then somehow form Mughals

[@nimai7074]

What about the theocracy?

[@islamicfukistanisocialistr2758]

English monarchy A Celestial empire F 💯 Dude never played Ming or MOH

[@0jacon0ice0]

Eh, personally think celestial empire deserved d or c instead of F. Its not absolute garbage, but can be a downgrade from quite a few things

[@Prudenprocom]

Where is the link to the second video?

[@AbsoluteHabibi]

I haven’t made the 2nd video yet unfortunately

[@wischfulthinking]

omg those japanese pronunciations :D

[@gamesmore6583]

Luxembourg is a grand duchy.

[@dodgegts3]

Shogunate s? Something tells me u haven't played as ashikaga :P

[@AbsoluteHabibi]

I’ve taken over half the world doing shogunate vassal swarm

[@dodgegts3]

@@AbsoluteHabibi I ask cause starting as shogunate allows u to go ahead and no CB war in India and other countries asap. Also gives your vassal that 10% morale from automatically becoming daymo. Most will not even do a coalition because you tend to be unknown to most countries. You can play at -2stab and alot of war exhaustion.. it hardly has an effect on you since u own no provinces. That's why I personally think it also belongs in SS tier

The celestial empire does have estates and not factions with the Mandate of Heaven DLC though. And the reforms are pretty strong. I don't get why you despise this government so much.

[@civi4ever460]

Definitely SSS for Mughal Diwan, forming The Caliphate as Mughals is so cursed it's unbelievable (feudal theocracy + diwan) Also gond kindgom is for indian tribes like Bundelkhand if I'm not mistaken, I encountered this in my Nagpur run

[@masonhales]

The best government type without a doubt are the ones that allow personal unions.

[@gudgoodsteps8036]

background music ?

[@petar4209]

First one is Air on the G string

[@todayssubject7055]

Where are the others? I mean republics etc.

[@AbsoluteHabibi]

I never made it

[@MEGAHUJ9]

11:12 The way he pronounces ,,sejm" is really disturbing

[@kungsjanis5139]

I think calling Lietuva grand duchy is wrong. It was kingdom. Its ruler was the grate lord, lord of lords the highest titule of his people, so he was the king. Same as a king of kings is an emporor. Also the origin of the word that modern lietuviešu use for lord is actually the same one as for king. As the word used for king is comes from Karl as in Karlemagne.

[@ihatemotionblur_3255]

Eastern plutocracy is definitely not C lol

[@catalyst772]

I it just me or Am i hearing umineko soundtrack on the background?

[@bugrazer5521]

qq and aq are turkish tribes not arabian fam

[@AbsoluteHabibi]

True, my bad

[@rakatumu]

wheres the republic vid?

[@AbsoluteHabibi]

I was making and realized I barely play theocracies so I’ve been messing around with them to make a more accurate video :)

[@rakatumu]

@@AbsoluteHabibi Cool you answered. What's the best republic type to play tall as a custom nation??

[@AbsoluteHabibi]

rakatumu ambrosian republic imo

[@rakatumu]

@@AbsoluteHabibi thank you

[@Baba-yv6ml]

Rurukovic LMAO

[@Magnus26]

And where is papacy?

[@AbsoluteHabibi]

Papacy is theocracy

[@BenchXI]

i am pretty sure you can get a regency as an iqta

[@multimeter2859]

0/10 Prussian Space Marines are SS

[@bars6937]

I cringe at "Dwen" instead of "Dynamo"

[@rborecki222]

Dynamo? Really?

[@weisbrotstyle7229]

Dynamo>Daimyo

[@maestro9765]

Commit Sepenku

[@kellymcbright5456]

Dynamos???

[@gazihun6291]

Aq qoyun and qara qoyun not fucking arabian nations!

[@IsmetOzkara]

aq qoyunlu and qara qouyunlu are not arabian nations.They are turkish nations.