Ian "Crimsix" Porter - Call of Duty Franchising, Players and Orgs | The Eavesdrop Podcast Ep. 11

Ian "Crimsix" Porter-
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3:48 who are you day?
4:23 Had Crim heard of H3CZ during Cod4
5:31 Thoughts on Cod4 Remastered
6:22 The myth of the tick
7:37 Console vs PC
9:06 Crimsix thoughts on RNG gameplay
11:40 would the Optic Call of Duty team compete in Blackout
12:46 thoughts on entertainers vs pro players in competition
15:01 Call of duty promoting professional players on social media
17:44 Equality vs equity in the Esports scene
21:37 The Gentlemen’s agreement in Call of Duty
23:35 Ian's thoughts on the Gentlemen’s Agreement
25:02 Could players Break the gentleman's agreement during a tournament
26:42 How the gentleman’s agreement changes the way the game plays
28:25 Whitelisting the top players when a new game comes out
31:25 how CWL could fix the current ruleset
33:48 Game developers taking pro players advice when developing the game
35:25 having a captains association amongst the call of duty pro teams
37:15 What did Crimsix do as a kid
38:35 Crimsix playing competitive soccer
39:45 what was Crimsix first video game?
41:00 What does Crimsix family think about him playing video games professionally
42:02 Crimsix competitive halo days
44:25 Crimsix playing competitive Battlefield to compete in a million dollar tournament that never happened
47:02 what was Crimsix first team in Call of Duty
49:00 Crimsix success early in call of duty
52:00 Getting out metta'd in Call of Duty 4
54:00 Crimsix being stuck in a contract
57:45 Should organizations be able to have two teams
59:20 could Hecz had done more to keep the dynasty team together? How did the team break up
1:01:18 Taking advice from teammates
1:04:01 Franchising in Call of Duty
1:06:02 Vonderhaar racing
1:07:23 How to make Franchising work competitively
1:09:03 Fun fact about black ops 2 league play
1:11:04 Factors that affect how pro players become pro
1:12:21 how to get fans into competitive call of duty
1:14:07 How advertising will affect Franchising success
1:16:30 Organizations taking a percentage of prize money
1:21:01 How taking a percentage of prize earnings affects players
1:23:07 How to make an organization work financially
1:25:50 Giving bonuses to players based on placings
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[@suminach]

Hope we get to see Matt ( formal) just to hear him talk about his time with optic and his run with the dynasty, not just the break up but his whole cod story that’d be cool personally

[@gianmarcotizzot8063]

Ain’t happening bud

[@ethanroy9806]

didn't even have him on vision when it was announced. Just want anything from his pov

[@jameshodson9999]

MrRoughGoose nah he’s gone dude. Guy was fucking pissed at optic and wants nothing to do with them anymore

[@yjsit]

No thanks

[@BirdyIsWatchIn]

Formal is a little botch

[@reesbeardshaw8051]

Crimbot has been unplugged and set free

[@Stubblur]

they updated him... hes wireless now

[@JazzyAnt]

Please get Karma on this podcast. He talks, but he’s pretty vague, I would love to see him actually go into detail with his answers. (Whatever the questions may be. idc)

[@epicragegaming2016]

once he gets going... gonna be a 5 hr pod cast.

[@PerForMSR]

His communication is terrible, wouldn’t want him

[@georedplays774]

sebastian ramirez his communication was great

[@brendanjames3871]

@@PerForMSR ur lost

[@Sh0ckTV]

What's up you West African Goblin Sharks?!?

[@trev021889]

Keep it up with these Hecz this is solid content..!!

[@joeratcliffe2988]

Crimbot has knowledge, so vital for Optic!

[@Delbzy]

Hecz all rugged up and crim just wearing a shirt? Oh wait.. I just remembered robots have no feelings

[@julianerlandson768]

You gotta get Shroud on your podcast!! Keep it up

[@YaminAlom]

Julian Erlandson That is a must

[@desimz267]

Helllllll no!

[@desimz267]

v KEITH v I didn’t like but ok

[@haisekia5500]

We need shroud that would be lovely

[@VoidBL]

No OpTic fan knows what shroud is so no there isn't a need for it lmao

[@123michaeljordan23]

Have TJ & Dashy next week, as well as Clay as a guest on a 6050 episode.

[@NexXttx]

They weren't in that team House why would they be on the podcast if the podcast is litteraly about the old OpTic House

[@Kuhhmolly]

Harris7123 why they weren’t part of the house

[@jessepinkman2391]

Kamahl Dailey tjhaly and dashy only joined optic this season so they wouldn’t be in the house and Clayster I believe was on another team but I’m not sure

[@Ethan-pr1zh]

@@jessepinkman2391 You all have no clue how to fucking read. This guy is talking about 2 separate episodes. 1 episode with Dashy and Teej. And then another 6050 episode including Clay.

[@Ethan-pr1zh]

@@Kuhhmolly You all have no clue how to fucking read. This guy is talking about 2 separate episodes. 1 episode with Dashy and Teej. And then another 6050 episode including Clay.

[@Mossbergg]

i love how deep they go into this podcast, crims mentality is on another level to all other pros. i truly believe crim would be a pro in every esport he tried getting pro in basically

[@zurkeyturkey7636]

I agree

[@MoBryso]

This was honestly my favorite Eavesdrop yet. I thought it was so interesting to here some bts of the cod scene more than we already know. Crim is such an awesome dude.

[@JMGAMERZ11]

Love the Bo2 talk, what a sneaky lad BigT was!

[@BirdyIsWatchIn]

Boys talk about Best Sniper Montages and dont even mention OpTic Predator

[@zachhumphreys1275]

I was screaming "predator" at my phone, woke up my wife lol

[@powers0137]

zach humphreys literally same thing

[@josh7693]

Pred and Apostle my dudes

[@Cheemaclips]

Now you did crimsix next has to be karma Idon’t really know anything about him he is very mysterious

[@billjoe7036]

“The rich get richer” is the same concept hecs was sort of arguing when talking about giving the top teams access to the game early. Giving the top teams early access would give them advantages over people who are up in coming and every year just keep creating this loop where aspiring players are just behind the curve.

[@mdama9988]

As soon as Hecz said "have you ever heard of the myth" shit had me dying

[@hershtv]

Mdama hey dama 😂

[@TacoFalcon]

"If you don't take care of yourself, no one would wanna take of you." @ ME NEXT TIME HECZ! 😁😁

[@FoxyGrandpa1]

Final Boss is one of the greatest team names in eSports history.

[@callumburns9378]

LOOL BIGT WAS THE GOAT WITH THE PLAN

[@Epic11121]

10:40 ok Hecz, telling the future! Saying everyone should drop with a pistol... aka: War zone battle royal

[@zZLakersZz]

How could he forget OpTic Predator

[@VVhawks51]

I know right, Pred was a lot better than H3CZ imo

[@ilya1kravchenko468]

Can't forget iReapzz and xDarknesss

[@Nbkmac]

He’s not in optic no more

[@itsigloo6981]

Reapzzz

[@jeremym2343]

They were mentioning optic snipers and predator wasn't in optic during COD4 he was in M40A3. Predator also decided on his own to quit gaming

[@NJDEVIL91923]

Tick rate isnt a myth it's the amount of times per second the nodes communicate with the server

[@devan9388]

NJDEVIL91923 nobody wants to hear what you think you know. Shh

[@HP-rz7ew]

Fugazzied What he said is factual you idiot.

[@kaisaddington4310]

He was talking about the tick rate difference between modes being a myth

[@crippler4hm]

you are right in what tick rate is, but you are no where near close to what context Crim was referring to.

[@m1ckyg21]

he was joking since everyone talks about tick rate but nobody seems to know what it means

[@dchambers23]

There needs to be a “Players Association” that the devs work hand in hand with to make competitive. Devs don’t know what comp players want or what breaks the game from a competitive standpoint. No one knows more than the players.

[@uncores5122]

doophie The thing is they did ask pros but they brought out a bunch of morons who are too young to understand. Like kenny was out there and don’t get me wrong he’s a beast but i’d way rather crim be making comp rules.

[@dchambers23]

Uncores * this was before the game released though. I mean have a dedicated group of reputable pros throughout the year making these decisions.

[@ramp622]

I agree with that, but youd be surprised how many pros have awful ideas. Like they are great at the game but their ideas are dogshit. Like in fortnite a lot of pros suggest such outlandish things that would ruin the game in my opinion. Even crimsix could suggest something that would benefit him personally but overall would be a bad move. Its a hard thing to do. My opinion, is bring in the team that made league play for bo2. Problem 100% solved.

[@JayColin]

Hold up, let me get some coffee

[@Tundra0128]

crim staring into the camera like its the office lmfao

[@iG3RILL4]

9 Dislikes from Aches

[@throwaway2910]

iG3RILL4 LMFAOOOOO

[@AndrewDoesLife]

He's up to 61 now! Must be the salty EU fans after losing to OG in the grand finals last night

[@robinkeebaugh7587]

9 dislikes from the 9 bang

[@amillionzz]

Gotta get the God voice Teepee on here mane

[@hencewurth]

so accurate of the voice lmao

[@AlexBraunerhjelm]

Amazing job HECZ, and great transparency Ian. Worth millon subscriber.

[@imz286]

Crimthicc lookin real good these days no homo.

[@steveurkel-ipsn4555]

Maximus 😂😂😂

[@throwaway2910]

Fax

[@MNZGamin]

pause

[@KyraaaaaanHD]

24:37 - WHAT DID CRIM SAY?! "PRETTY MUCH WE'RE PLAYING THE UH" *CUT*

[@an1sosa405]

The disrespect and jealousy on predators name is astounding, before anything you were a sniping clan and let’s not ignore the millions of views pred brought you back when 100k was the most you’d usually see on a good vid. You used him. Threw him under the bus and now act as if he never existed. Disgraceful to call yourself an OG and not pay respect to a legend like him.

[@darloscarlos]

They were talking about cod4 snipers in optic. Optic pred joined Optic in mw2. They werent using him or throwing him under the bus. If they were talking about mw2 he would probably be mentioned

[@RG_LoneWolfe]

This interview made me like crim even more. I didn't know he also tried to compete in BF3. Kinda sad that battlefield esports never took off. It's constantly on and off.

[@tylerkennard4052]

BRO THE SNIPER CRIM WAS TRYING TO THINK OF WAS PREDATOR!!!!! HE WAS GOAT OF call of duty 4

[@langthegang8677]

ACHES, Dashy, TJ, Merk, Maven and Formal if he agrees are all needed during Vegas next week.

[@jamesjstilezstiley4643]

It’s actually official @HECZ IS A BOSS. He took optic from fuck all when it got huge got the guy with money. I’ve been watching from the start and hecz has done everyone a fucking turn everyone all the man deep down every single dude seth crim all the man flame sword hitch all of ya...you all would of done well on your own because you are all good spirited hard workers diff breed lol but hecz monopolised the game hard bodied movements. Every single one of them make that p on there own now it’s no joke no fucking joke hold tight big t!!

[@imcoty]

didnt really plan on sitting and watching all of this, but here i am a half hour later still listening. great work boys, glad to hear your opinions.

[@RenoMay]

I almost had an aneurysm when it took so long to say zzirGrizz

[@daveysweigard]

“At the end of the day they’re the devs, we’re just the players.” Damn that was actually really smart and humble I respect the shit out of him saying that. I feel like a lot of players, including us and not just pros, think we know everything and criticize the devs too much when we’re not taking all factors into account

[@McL0viN550]

Is the phenom waring a lv scarf inside? Man is the 🐐

[@Tropicool]

CrimBOT! BREHEHEHEHEHE. Dude brought up Heaven and Earth from H3! What an OG!

[@myhomie94]

Just wondering: If Optic doesn't take anything of the earned prize pool, how do they make their money? Only with sponsor deals etc.? Never thought about it, but for me it was normal, that orgs take a certain percentage.

[@roodlyfbuts8006]

myhomie94 I don't think so, (but maybe). If anything they pay for the trip. Probably merchandise, ad revenue and sponsorships and money the owners already had pay for everything. Optic is also like half owned by a baseball team, so they have lots of resources. I know back in bo2 player salaries were only $400 a month, even if they were 10x today. So it's not like everything is super expensive. They probably make WAY more than it costs to stay in business.

[@dozaroner642]

Content creation, sponsorships, merch, and when your company/org is as big and arguably the most recognisable in esports they would get things for free just have to promote it in a vid briefly or whatever just like social media influencers. And the discount codes for various products liķe scuffs, control freaks etc im sure they get something out of it for everyone that uses the code and makes a purchase. H3cz is a great business man who knows how to hustle so im sure there are numerous other things they do to create revenue.

[@darloscarlos]

Hecz highly encourages the players to make content on youtube or twitch in case we have a repeat of ww2.

[@MaxZy_J13]

Crim knows so much about cod!! He gives a perspective I haven’t seen or heard before in pro play

[@ramp622]

For me personally. Anyone that was on that complexity god squad will go down as legends in my book. Their run was insane.

[@McL0viN550]

Hecz talkin to elon musk greatest creation 🔥

[@RevienWotlk]

DUDE HOW ZZIRGRIZZ DIDN'T COME TO YOUR MIND INNNNNMEDIATLY!!!!! AND HOW ABOUT M40 PREDATOR CMOOOOON

[@immorta1greek661]

14:24 thank me later

[@TheSilentAssassin117]

I do think Crim should be picked other than Damon..

[@aowisbeast]

Crim with the ya every second when listening to hecz was killing me

[@xsqatterx]

Grizz & iReapZz best quickscopers ever in history, idgaf...the real goats

[@slashyys]

iReapZz was insanee, crazy that you dont hear that name more when it comes to OGs

[@nicklewis2826]

The pro they were talking about at 1:02:00 is Methodz lol

[@emiliojimenez6679]

Nick Lewis fehgbvgxg(

[@Calebr34]

Hecz, This is the content I've been waiting for for 5 years from optic. You're making big moves. Fucking thank you. Sincerely, 25yo Phenom.

[@mightypensword]

i think blackout tourneys should be duos and solos only, with pros. i would watch the shit out of that

[@joemitchell1710]

52:00 - he's called ScumbagBigT for a reason, the GOAT

[@TheOriginalEpy]

Is anyone else wondering why crimbot took the garbage can with him when going to the bathroom?

[@salvadorvl4296]

Epy I think he was using it to hold the door open so he could get back in without it locking

[@IDrag123]

Hecz doing it all, Podcasts, Running an Organization, Vlogging, Bringing Minecraft back with Syndicate, etc. So much respect!!

[@CallMeInce]

1:17:48 the moment hecz realises the stacks he can be making off Optic prize money lmaooo

[@tommym669]

It’s true the fact that cod changes every year should be a positive not something the orgs and players worry about ....it should add excitement....it would be like the venues/stadiums for any of the 4 major sports changing every year ....it should be a good thing but the threat of a bad game scares the shit out of everyone

[@freshlive1292]

What’s good you Australian Water Turtles! I see a Crim, I give a like

[@ramp622]

Clayster is an absolute monster. He just needs to work on his people skills lol.

[@xcisionx2941]

Crims says i wana talk about Percentages after this podcast . Hecz gets nervous Lol

[@MrPerfectius]

As much as I respect Hector, I dropped a lot when he said he couldn't drive stick.....

[@e1luk]

51:40 big T low key savage with the select fire lmao

[@joelgaddum2884]

This might sound weird, but I would actually like to see Aches on this Podcast haha!

[@uncaves]

LMAO “I DIDNT KNOW HECZ ALL I KNEW WAS GRIZZ

[@zachhumphreys1275]

OpTic COD is unbeatable this year

[@mattk7374]

zach humphreys remember AW?

[@MrDoggson]

Wait for the first lan event before you overhype them, they are doing good online but lets see lan before you hand them the crowns

[@justinstewart950]

Y’all fans are jinxing this shit. Wait for the first LAN

[@newbutthunt]

Yeah!!!---remember AW noob!!!

[@Lee-ud1hd]

So deluded its a joke

[@AndrewDoesLife]

How do you not think of Genghis Khan when someone says Mogolia????? haha

[@nukenade4623]

i cant be the only one who wants to hear Hector rant about how many times Optic have trashed people and the other Orgs are still talking shit

[@mdama9988]

Dude same!!

[@lendaryreviews]

Hahaha he actually said it... #ENTERTAINERA VS #PRO PLAYERS.... YES..... WHO THIS IS THIS GUY....??. .. havent had internet for like 5 yrs.

[@_96marta]

"I can't drive stick" To me that is unreal that any male over the age of 15 doesn't know how to drive a manual....

[@nithrandyl2376]

I mean why would they ? People now are growing up with automatic cars theres no need for them to learn manual. The only reason I can drive stick is cuz my first car was manual but Im never going back to that shit ... driving manual in traffic is the worst thing ever.

[@Impulse_CDL]

Marta automatic is the move gramps

[@VVhawks51]

Damn H3CZ throwing shade at predator

[@Tableofsyndicates705]

@69:08 Talking about how to make a competitive environment where you can scout good players for franchising, Ian drops the bomb I think needs to be heard. Give me FRAckINg Halo2 match ranking for PUBS. That shit was fun and that shit was fair for the most part. Sure you had groups that would power drop their account just to pub stomp now and then but for the most part, the pubs were able to show who was good and who wasn't. Especially when you got to the actual competitive groups. He talks about str8rippin' dude was probably the FIRST person ever to montage and get "famous" on youtube. I gained a lot of respect for Ian and Optic in general from this interview.

[@D3VINM911]

Formal would be interesting to listen to.

[@JoshLavis]

Clicked off video when he said playing on pc is ridiculous.

[@iromero1023]

When you open up counter strike and they in their game are showing a tournament live it sparks interest why couldn't call of duty do that

[@157dodgers]

Isaac Romero because that’s actually a good idea 😂

[@jack_crutons]

I'm pretty sure Antarctica is the coldest desert in the world

[@iLLeag7e]

This was a great fucking episode Hecz. I for one am SO FUCKING GLAD you built the studio and that you are doing such great things there. 2019 is already lit as fuck and it isn't even here yet. Stay up man & thnx for the outstanding content!

[@popsdaddy2715]

All deserts are cold they actually freeze at night

[@ICE-FYB]

I think with all this money pro players and team owners are making there is literally no excuse on why you guys don’t take a day every 3-6 months and meet up in one place for lunch like LA and go over all this stuff with CWL instead of complaining or trying to do it on skype, discoed etc. You could jump on a flight from destination A at 5 A.M, fly to destination B have a 3 to 4 hour lunch meeting and fly back and be back home by well before supper time.. wild.

[@ci4396]

both got no clue about pc gaming im sorry. soooo easy to limit the max fps that you can use on a server + fps wont make a huge difference, its mostly about the monitor as crim said himself. so im a poor kid playing on an old tv with 12ms delay, youre a rich programer with almost 0ms and 144hz, whos gonna have an advantage? youre also basically saying that all the companies youre sponsored by sell bullshit. is a scuff controller, 144mhz monitor, gunnar glasses, and an energy drink not gonna give me an advantage?no hate, love you all. but ive been playing fps esports since 2003 on pc and back then we had huge limitations because of fairness. also our anticheat software actually worked and banned peoples mac address and not just their account :D

[@erikchavez5008]

I’ve Never been into any type of podcast until now I’ve been loving these

[@devn266]

BUT WE DO NOT WANT TO HAVE MULTIPLAYER BE LIKE COMPETITIVE WE WANT TO HAVE FUN NOT SWEAT OUR ASSES OFF ALL DAY!!! WHERE IS THE VSAT? WHERE IS GROUND WAR? LIKE NO. GTFO YOU ARE SO WRONG IN THAT ASPECT. LEAVE COMPETITIVE TO COMPETITVE AND ONLINE TO ONLINE BC A LARGE % OF THE PLAYER BASE DOESNT EVEN WATCH KZbin OR TWITCH. THEY DONT CARE ABOUT COMPETITIVE.

[@ramp622]

Its kind of shocking that the ruleset is the way it is, its around the 30:00 mark. If you look at black ops 2, even their competitive playlist (league play) knew better then to allow riot shields rpgs ect, so im not sure why a organization would put out a ruleset that isn't the 100% competitive. If black ops 2 had the smarts to do it way back in the day for $0 matches then you would assume when they're actually playing for money that it would be perfect. Honestly shocking. If their play is to make the game more fun to watch then I get that, but its just not right in my opinion. I just look at bo2 as the premiere example of what a competitive call of duty should be.

[@manavmann8746]

51:30 BigT forever the GOAT

[@jerry4012]

I can confirm battlefield 3 was one of the best games ever made.

[@josh7693]

I want a episode with Predator and Apostle, PLEASE HECZ give the OG’s a gift. That would be fantastic.

[@tyyder6619]

Fuck 2018. This team is fucking nutty. Optic will not lose a fuckin tournament in 2019. Let’s get it GOAT.

[@parkmccally4417]

I think it's kinda disappointing hearing you talk about fortnite like TSM and FaZe have the only personality set when that's just not true with teams like Liquid and Ghost and various F/A streamers/pros that are big

[@surp33]

Hecz is wrong about paper advertising going away. It’s the opposite. A flyer in the mailbox has a higher success rate than emails. It’s easier to ignore digital, spam filters or just scrolling by. But you can’t avoid something in your hand or on the road.

[@SmudgeOne7Three]

Hecz. Feedback: it shouldn’t take 37 mins to get to Crimsix’s story. I think you should start there, with all guests.

[@jarodkral8085]

Just use the MMR system from Dota2. So many players get scouted from the ranked playlists to top pro teams. It's annoying but honestly it works. You don't climb the ranks unless you are truly better than the other people in your game.

[@justkally_]

Why can't they just have a multitwitch and promote that? Then nobody is left out... and then just put the names in alphabetical order so nobody can bitch about whose name goes first... just thinking outside the box...

[@jesperjohnsen3567]

Didn't think I was ever going to say this, but I FUCKING love Crim. Such a real fucking dude.

[@bobo020202]

Call of duty can do soooo much more in advertising their game in all aspects. Like a crim said, a simple Twitter ad can go a long way. And if these ads contain clips of pros whether it be a nasty play or funny twitch stream(like the nfl) it will get so many of these fortnite kids watching COD.

[@johnmango6056]

what COD competitive needs most is set weapons for each player and one wild card. 1 guy with a snipe, 1 guy with a submachine gun, 1 guy with an assault rifle, one guy with a light machine gun and 1 wild card who can use what ever they want. It gets sooo boring watching everyone use the same 2 guns. they find the best sub and the best AR and those are the only 2 guns you will see for 5 hrs

[@GodyP]

How is hecs gonna bring up the best snipers in optic/og cod4 snipers and not bring up PsYcHoSiS regardless If they don’t get along you got to give him his props, him , hutch dtreats n corrosive saved optic, rage would be what optic is now without them

[@patrickhiphop3531]

33 years ago Mario Brothers came out on the Nintendo @ 60 fps.

[@RePzABN]

9:25 please fix that OG logo frame. its triggering my OCD.

[@minhtfresh3195]

FALLEN AND TARIK NEXT PLEASE

[@iTzYahhBoiGee]

I'm 37 minutes deep, Nade went for a leak did he not?

[@epicragegaming2016]

im of the belief if the org pays a guaranteed salary you shouldn't keep any of your winnings until that salary is paid in full. then you should have a negotiated split on winnings. its tournament prize competition. the org is saying no problem here is guaranteed salary so you can dedicate your time to winning. when you win we recoup what you have been advanced. its one thing to say here is flight and a room for the event so their org can have a place and advertise their sponsors. its another to be handing out up to 100k for a salary, that might see no return. wanna know whats bad for business? bad ROI

[@bluwarrior30]

i feel you so hard on the baseball arm Crim, i played 1st base for 14 years straight, fall ball too. if i don't stretch for a good 5-8 minutes before throwing anything hard, it stings.