Spain, Ireland & Norway All Recognise Palestine Now

146 countries now do so
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[@JJLarge]

in my opinion showing recognition that a country exists should NOT neccesarily mean supporting that country as it seems to work now. In fact, Palestine and Israel are obviously different countries. Recognising Palestine as a different country shouldnt always mean you support palestine, or vice versa.

[@yoavboaz1078]

How are they obviously different countries? They have the same currency, they have the same capital, only Israel have a legitimate army, only Israel issues a passport, only Israel is a member of the UN, only israel has elections, Palestine has two different governments that hate each other, the Palestinian government that has international recognition is pretty much subordinate to Israel, they have no functioning border. Imo there clearly isn't a palestinian state currently. There probably should but there isn't

[@Grymgar]

The main reason to support the existence of a Palestinian state is preservation of Palestinian identity and the ability for them to advocate for themselves on the international stage. Whether we agree with their governance or not is a separate question from whether or not they have the right to exist as a national polity. Personally I think there needs to be a one state solution, a sort of "state within a state" model that resembles tribal governance in the US.

[@Nooticus]

Absolutely true

[@JJLarge]

​@@yoavboaz1078 Israel doesn't have full control over west bank and Gaza as of right now so they're effectively different countries

[@Ralzone]

@@JJLarge By your logic Brazil has a lot of countries inside of it, technically speaking.

[@Nooticus]

You’re a brave man to make this video, especially as an apolitical and unbiased channel. You’re great and the way you present facts respectfully with humour is rare

[@Ralzone]

To be honest, out of all the channels I know and watch, this is the most unbiased and apolitical one.

[@Henry_TownshendSH4]

Well we know his views on the french

[@Nooticus]

@@Ralzone yup. absolutely agree too. the fact that this channel's regular viewer base is so tiny though just shows that most people are more interested in sowing division and taking sides than anything else. sad.

[@DUFFAL02]

Yay! Now we just wait til July and get Sinai out and FREE PALESTINE

[@agme8045]

He is definitely biased by his experience as a UK national, I definitely sense it when he speaks about the falklands war for example

[@roulam3001]

3:38 "controvershi🥺"

[@Donald_Trump_2024]

no controvershy? 🥺

[@fakestranger1883]

Lame

[@Ariverfish]

The Great Nation of Albania 🇦🇱 owns the provinces of Palestine and Israel.

[@TheRealMikeyXD_UK]

no they dont?

[@Skellijira2]

​@@TheRealMikeyXD_UKstuck in delusions

[@krio1267]

palestine? italian israel? italian. pax romana!

[@Yezpahr]

So what about West-Sahara... it will always be a greyed out piece of statistical maps 99,99% of the time?

[@Hchris101]

It annoys me on every map

[@thesenate1844]

A while back America made a deal, they will recognise it as Moroccan in exchange for Morocco recognising Israel

[@Yezpahr]

@@thesenate1844 Thanks for elaborating, I had forgotten that detail entirely. Funny that I get this answer from "The Senate"... Known to do similar shady deals in the Star Wars universe, haha.

[@wraithface4410]

A very bad deal all things considered, on paper there were no bilateral relations but in reality they existed and were temporarily cut off in 1995. Mauritania had the same policy and many other Muslim nations in west Africa

[@SaniaRehan]

Nobody cares about western Sahara pretty much Most of the entire world neither recognizes it as Moroccan or sahrawi The only exceptions is that like 20 countries recognize western Sahara (it used to be like 50) And 2 nations recognize it as Moroccan(the us and Israel)

[@purecancer6004]

3:10 I think your forgetting about the Kurds.

[@Nooticus]

Truth ^

[@Nooticus]

Everybody always forgets about the Kurds

[@ibx2cat]

That's why I had to immediately correct to "one of the biggest" haha

[@fibecheee]

you don't exist

[@Donald_Trump_2024]

also gypsies. we dont really have a single ethno-state

[@Shashu_the_little_Voidling]

I'm surprised you didn't bring up Somaliland

[@MJ-pk1cl]

Me too I feel like somaliland is more in the “big 3” then some of the other ones it literally has a better more functional and democratic government than its “home country”

[@krengken4756]

Bravo Comrade : Ireland, Spain, Norway, Slovenia and Malta

[@tomhossain2099]

I think you’re a little misinformed but have generally the right idea, chief problem I saw being the idea that Israel wants to control Palestine and not annex it, which is untrue, they want the land, not the Palestinians. That’s abundantly clear. Connected to that, the settlers and settlements are a deliberate choice and policy to place civilians into areas to annex them without declaring annexation (it’s illegal anyway, under international law) and to protect from Palestine just conquering the settled area back. As for why North Korea recognises Palestine, it’s because they see Palestine as a kindred spirit of sorts, having been divided in two with half granted without permission to others, by foreign powers, and then the Palestinian people being subjected to brutal warfare and occupation, like Korea was subjected to Japanese occupation, and total flattening by the Americans during the Korean War, in the first two weeks. Hence, North Korea has a lot of sympathy for Palestine, and it’s one of the few things Korea does on the world stage.

[@Matthew-.-]

You are so good at just giving interesting facts and not just picking sides and telling people how to feel when it comes to controversial topics.

[@iscrampad2194]

Recognition will just continue Palestine to make efforts. We want a 2 state solution.

[@benji-pt3rq]

its the only way forward at this point

[@DaBIONICLEFan]

The Palestinians aren't interested in a 2 state solution. They'd rather have no country at all than co-exist with Israel. That's why they've rejected every offer of a country given to them thus far.

[@ooo0028]

Just give jew some part of Germany

[@adamelghalmi9771]

2:20 what did the ambassadors do??? this is really funny to me for some reason, idk if its just cause of the way u said it tho lol

[@bidjou]

Brave boy, you can feel the terror in his voice, scared not to lean too much and upset the monster. Till when people will be scared...?

[@mikey-cq1tc]

i missed you mr ibxtoycat

[@LordMelbury1953]

Toycat Let’s Go There…. Geography and Beyond.

[@zertyzoo9493]

The problem is even if you recognize the "state of palestine", who are you recognizing? The Palestinian National Authority in the West Bank? Hamas in Gaza? Both? Are they 2 different states or 1 state? I imagine they're only recognizing the PNA but if you're trying to recognize the "facts on the ground" as you describe it, they clearly operate as 2 separate states.

[@kongkiiing]

Norweigian foreign minister supports hamas…

[@tiglishnobody8750]

@@kongkiiing Where?

[@kongkiiing]

@@tiglishnobody8750 through policy. But he is also pictured in a pro hamas march in Norway holding a «f israel, f capitalism, f nato» sign. This guy has also invited the taliban twice to Norway, so his stand on islamism is pretty clear

[@tiglishnobody8750]

@@kongkiiing Uh Idk as Norway tries to meditator with the Taliban not because they stand for Islamism but because they try alternative It didn't work though

[@KirkukisTurkmen]

Take iraq and the iraqi Kurdistan region as an example, theyre both different governments but operate under one state

[@BallyBoy95]

10:20 - You don't know how many atrocities the US Armed Forces committed during the Korean Civil War. North Koreans will never forget, regardless of whether you choose to report it or not. Hence they are sympathetic with Palestine. They've witnessed Yanki imperialism firsthand and not only survived, but have attained nukes to assure MAD, should Washington become emboldened.

[@bosniencommie1202]

Common w ireland rere w spain and Norway

[@anarchobuddhist]

Spain, Norway & Ireland: 3 cool AF courageous countries ~bravely defying the world’s hegemonic warmongering bully, the US, by standing up for international justice!

[@anarchobuddhist]

@@yran_kinleni5917 I’m part Catalan 🤣 & a free independent Catalonia is the greatest wish for Catalans…just as a free independent Palestine 🇵🇸 is the greatest wish for Palestinians. Decentralize power, worldwide! and always fight for the underdog

[@Nabium]

@@anarchobuddhist Quan algú diu que és _"part"_ català, normalment només vol dir que són nord-americans enganyats que es creuen en part d'algun lloc només perquè hi va néixer un besavi. El meu avi va néixer i es va criar als Països Baixos, però jo no sóc en part holandès, sóc noruec.

[@danskrr]

You’re not part Catalan, you’re an American.

[@Nabium]

@@danskrr Watch out, I just said the same thing and now it seems my comment is deleted. (Altough I said it in Catalan)

[@TheMarioManiac]

Even though last time I checked Israel wasn’t the one that started the war nor was it the US.

[@jan-seli]

Shout out to Bhutan's chadly Zero-China policy

[@duolingo0552]

I'm excited for your election analysis

[@Zeroneii3]

I disagree with the existence of the U.K. it isn't a real country

[@molfi6879]

00:23 In May 2024, President Javier Milei's government broke with Argentina’s previous position on Palestine, voting against recognition of Palestinian state at United Nations.

[@12Rosen]

basada ultra

[@thommunistmanifesto]

Good, viva la patria carajo

[@lurji]

milei is not a real person

[@12Rosen]

@@lurji so truth

[@danielgn7849]

you look healthy cat

[@joew957]

Hey @toycat, I found your doppelgänger. He’s an Indy 500 race driver named Colton Herta.

[@McpeBeanAddict]

Toycat? I didnt know this channel was a thing! Goated Cat! Im going to norway as soon as possible cause i cant support this zios bullsht, and i like the cold!

[@L0KUST1]

By Zios do you mean Zionist?

[@McpeBeanAddict]

@@L0KUST1 yes

[@JSG4361]

thanks for somehow not angering anyone when you talk about political issues and being silly at the same time, keep it up :)

[@Kasnickijakub]

Somaliland

[@Bailanat0r]

The real issue is New Zealand isn’t recognised by Kazakstan.

[@chinaunhinged1970]

Israel actually entered into diplomatic relations with Bhutan quite recently, (and also the United Arab Emirates) so that map is a bit outdated.

[@Jo2000Geometrydash]

i dont think the middle east will get rid of conflict ever. like until the end of humanity. when oil runs dry and water becomes sparce, conflicts will only get worse. maybe through mass extinction when the population drops by drastic percentages there are too few people to have serious conflicts, but normally i dont think there will ever be peace.

[@Hikoplouyr]

There will be peace when the US leaves

[@Jo2000Geometrydash]

@@Hikoplouyr huh surprisingly simple yet effective scenario. would have never thought lf that but i like the idea

[@danonimusgombelinius7254]

Well, some time in the future humanity eventually will get rid of capitalism, just as we got rid of feudalism earlier. And most definitely this would be a major step to unite all of the world and end all or almost all wars.

[@rotorwash4731]

How does this effect toycats legacy?

[@onlineearningbd7718]

Alhamdulillah, free🇵🇸❤️🇧🇩

[@goese868]

Well Kosovo at least isn't really comparable. Kosovo wants to take a part of Serbia and make it independent, while Palestine has really always been there, just occupied. If anything, Israel's existence is more comparable to Kosovo, they took massive parts of Palestine and made a country out of it. And Taiwan doesn't really claim to be an independent country, they just claim to be the rightful rulers of all of China. Another thing is that you say callign Israel not a country is "pety" but calling Palestine not a country is just "getting closer to being pety", why isn't it pety already? Also in 12:40, no lmao they did it with Israel's permission, that's the whole point, place settlers there so you can annex the West Bank. And to make it harder for Palestine to become independent (Which is why the obviously best option is one Palestine where everyone is equal instead of jews being superior)

[@Nooticus]

Exceptional video toycat. Absolutely exceptional. Measured, balanced, truly apolitical. This is so rare. The fact that politically charged videos about this issue have hundreds of thousands of views and this has 10k truly shows how ridiculous the division has gotten. Unfortunately things will likely get much worse before they get better.

[@delfi7077]

ibx can you talk about the situation in pointland

[@12Rosen]

pointland

[@Ultraw]

Maybe North korea recognises only palestine because it's in a similar position itself, having a neighbour that is much more technologically advanced than itself. If it recognised both Israel and Palestine, it could basically set the precedent that they are happy with sharing. Which they are not.

[@Ultraw]

Either that or they are just doing the exact opposite to what south korea does 😂😂petty

[@user-oy2zg3bt6n]

north Korea recognized Palestine because it's communist. aka they hate the US and has bias against the people who's stereotype is "money hungry elites controlling all big things" (which the world attaches to Jews) now imagine a capitalist nation that's supported by the US and has the stereotype of "controlling world wealth and politics of other nations". pretty much a commie's worst nightmare am i right? this is why Cuba is against Israel, same with Venezuela, the many western leftists like the US's DNC and the UK's labor, Columbia, Nicaragua, CCP before it's major shift, Lula's Brazil and the list can go on. Edit: it's no wonder that Ireland and Spain, two of the most left winged & suicidal nations in Europe, doing stuff that even their own people don't want like dumb immigration policies. if you ever heard the term known as the "red green alliance" (alliance between the Islamists "Green" and communists "red" against the west) you would realize this is also not new, since 1949 no communist nation really had good relations with Israel and all of them been massively unfriendly. nothing to do with "Palestinian oppression" or "technologically advanced enemies"

[@cubekoss7547]

What, anyways make oiled up twerking competion

[@killianobrien2007]

Maybe Israel is too connected with America

[@tomhossain2099]

It’s actually because the north has a lot of sympathy for the Palestinians, during the Korean war, in the first two weeks, American bombing campaigns pretty much flattened the entirety of the north. Furthermore, they are culturally scarred by the brutality of the earlier Japanese occupation during WW2. They see the same things happen all the time in Palestine, and so they have a lot of sympathy, and therefore recognise the state of Palestine. One of the few things they do in the international stage I might add.

[@12Rosen]

airfryer

[@almami1599]

10:32 map is wrong Mauritania withdrew their recognition of Israel

[@LordMelbury1953]

The Finnish must stop the … Sorry Toycat missed the explanation, going crazy trying to figure it out.

[@lukelyric2474]

Free Palestine 🇵🇸 love u toycat

[@MinorLG]

What about independent Hong Kong

[@psalmyeshuaolegario5214]

wasn't it called west bank or smth?

[@Pak43lol]

*EHEM RECONQUISTA EHEM*

[@rasmuslindholm5719]

0:40 Unless your name is Rhett Mclaughlin, am I right?

[@loganpeters7543]

Let's get weird, gang.

[@markusklyver6277]

The Israeli govt using the Holocaust and antisemitism as an excuse to justify any behavior: the speedrun

[@agme8045]

Antisemitists using Palestine as an excuse to justify their hate for Jews:

[@Hikoplouyr]

They are currently doing the holocaust right now but instead of gas its with missiles and guns

[@fonkbadonk5370]

It's such a tragedy that the cradle of both, the Christian and Muslim influenced parts of the World is in such turmoil. It used to be a place of philosophers and leaders, now it's basically rubble, hate and misery. It should be a flourishing peaceful place for historians and scholars, as well as the people as a whole.

[@bobojo6447]

Yeah, very sad

[@Mrorlgloth]

Shaped shifter aliens don't like peace

[@Nabium]

Actually Israel has been a place of conflict and turmoil for most of the past 4000 years. It's arguably always been the hotspot of violence. And I studied both history and philosophy and I can't think of a single philosopher from Israel, so I don't know where you got that idea from. Where on earth did you make up all that stuff? Have you never opened a history book?

[@MemTMCR]

It's so interesting how which countries are recognized, and which are considered a rebellion, say so much about the politics of a country. As a Norwegian it has bothered me for a while that we didn't recognize Palestine as a country.

[@BobbyBermuda1986]

I hope Spain is ready to recognize Kosovo then

[@melissahealy1950]

and catalonia

[@cte4dota]

Catalona also and Scotland.

[@motosgamer]

As a Catalan, this won’t happen. That would be a justification to get our own independence.

[@adamelghalmi9771]

@@motosgamer catalonia will be free, as will many regions of spain. might i ask why you want independence now? is it possibly that you feel spain is too unstable politically at this point, something like somaliland with somalia?

[@Deadayh]

​@@adamelghalmi9771From the River to the Sea Catalonia will be free (lmao)

[@multiverse-UFO]

For what? My only impression of Norway is Nord Stream 2. These hypocrites never spoke for Taiwan, a real oppressed country.

[@anarchobuddhist]

The ROC is a SAR of the PRC 🤣 deal with it!

[@RinaMasuda]

​@@anarchobuddhist you must not like reality. Sorry truth offends you but Taiwan is an independant state😂 other countries reconition is irrelvant they have their own government.

[@user-oy2zg3bt6n]

or the state of Cyprus's situation or east Turkmenistan or Tibet or West Sahara. for the world it's always only Palestine BS

[@Nabium]

@@user-oy2zg3bt6n The West literally created the situation in Israel in one of their colonial experiments, so it's not strange they feel more responsibility for that conflict than for other conflicts. It's not like people in Tibet or West Sahara gives a crap about Europeans.

[@user-oy2zg3bt6n]

@@Nabium dude Israel isn't a colony, funny thing now days more Jews in Israel descend from the middle east and north Africa rather then Europe. besides i could go for a while on how every state in the middle east and north Africa that isn't in the Arabian peninsula and much of modern Iran have been colonized by none Europeans, Palestine included. so don't start me.

[@yaturkenzhensirhiv]

The countries that don't recognize Israel are not "petty". They are either Muslim countries that don't recognize Israel for religious reasons, or Communist countries that don't recognize Israel because the US supports it. State of Judea is not a thing, I never heard of it before this video.

[@oussamaalaoui9121]

Nah, muslim countrys don't recognise israel because it's an apartheid state

[@yaturkenzhensirhiv]

@@oussamaalaoui9121 This is bullshit: you know that Israel has, for example, Arab members of parliament? Somehow only Muslim countries claim Israel is an apartheid state. Not to mention that most of these countries are not beacons of human rights themselves: e.g. citizens of Saudi Arabia must be Muslim, non-Muslims are forbidden from entering Makkah, Kuwait had no qualms expelling hundreds of thousands of Palestinians, and Gulf countries like OAE have 90% of the populations as non-citizen workers without any rights.

[@Pashabasha-lh9sp]

Israel we support 2 state solution but when Ireland recognise Palestine Israel doesn’t like now what else evidence we what that Israel want whole of Palestine

[@squirrel8208]

nice

[@Grymgar]

Everyone who is like "what about Kosovo" or "what about West-Sahara" don't realize that inter-imperial rivalries and who you are allied with have greatly reduced the power of supra-national institutions, and just because this is happening for Palestine now does not diminish the need for recognition in other areas. The UN needs to be more effective and I can see it becoming so through the current crisis.

[@mustapilleri]

Belgium is not real country

[@irishgamer8412]

Minecraft makes more sense than the real world

[@DUFFAL02]

Based

[@zarzavattzarzavatt9309]

usually when someone talks about "historical lands" it's usually just bs. and the further back in time are those "correct borders" (which palestine has never had) the bigger is the bs. i'm for palestinian state, but they need to be forced to recognize israel instead.

[@FarberBob678]

exactly

[@iy2318]

do you know arabistan?

[@bokhans]

Sweden did it 2014. 🇸🇪

[@truedollar7302]

Free free Palestine 🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸

[@colanaxis]

Ah yes. Taiwan, the People’s Republic of China, lol. 6:55

[@FlopFan69]

Israel should recognize Catalonia. That would be sweet karma.

[@natethegreat5968]

Don’t forget about Basque, and Galicia as well

[@albetroz_]

Spaniard here, things are pretty chill right now. The independence movement still exists but it's not a majority neither in Catalonia nor Basque Country. Now it's more like a movement towards greater self-government, not actual independence

[@gfyphg9871]

They would be shooting themselves on the foot then because they are one of the most pro-Palestine regions in Spain😂

[@janitoalevic]

no

[@pao5567]

Catalonia is overwhelmingly pro Palestine

[@danonimusgombelinius7254]

0:27 - it's not just a large portion of the world, it's almost all of the world

[@anonymousperson26223]

Major W

[@Impossiblegend]

L

[@louisbeerreviews8964]

No

[@FlopFan69]

L*

[@rickdingenenzo]

​@@ImpossiblegendW

[@BobbyBermuda1986]

Not the W you think it is. It means nothing. People on the ground are still not in a sovereign state

[@ibnlahad2982]

It's really not complicated Palestinians have been occupied and oppressed for 75 years end the occupation and return their rights 🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸

[@unknowngeography]

N Palestine is owned by Israel

[@unusedaccount-n3n]

Extremely common and welcome W to Spain, Ireland and Norway.

[@user-om9nq3lw3s]

Spain should recognize California

[@charlesvion815]

I support Palestine but I don’t really recognize it as a country. They are kind of controlled in every manner

[@TheMightyKinkle]

🙄

[@bethaltair812]

The phrase "settled in west Bank without Israel's permission " is doing a lot of work there. If only history has some other examples of moving a bunch of families onto a bit of land and to claim it as your own.

[@InvadersDie]

Hello from Norway. I rescind the recognition.

[@drazenbicanic3590]

And do they recognize Kurdistan?

[@osmapvp]

They do not have a government

[@pao5567]

Kurdistan has no single state and no single government and doesn't control its own territory

[@fakestranger1883]

If the moslem world never make an acquisition for Kosovo existence so don't be daydreaming about the "Palestine" they're talking about!

[@pacoramon9468]

Spain foreign policy is "what Pedro Sánchez thinks will give him votes that week" if Israel does a little PR campaign, Pedro Sánchez will say all Palestine should be Israel territory like he did for Western Sahara.

[@bummer7736]

Israeli bots going overtime in comments section already 😂 keep malding.

[@TheGreatLiberator1209]

Silence, commie

[@marinachristoffersen8103]

100

[@arrowheaded]

S. I. N. is based

[@retchie7355]

tbf .. all this is rooted in a "spiritual connection" to a land.. wich was the reason jews wanted to move there. I dont agree with religious reasons for formation of nations, i feel religion causes only strife as seen in this example too. The jews fled the ww2 holocaust for obvious reasons, but why move to an equally hostile place in the middle of a bees nest? they knew they werent welcome down there yet they kept migrating there. That i dont get because .. there were alot of countries ready to accept jews afterwards! but due to spirituality they insisted on THAT region. Its dumb because its opening an ancient can of worms that were mostly settled 1300 years prior .. so, i will conclude that the reason for the hostilities around israel is basicly because of the zionist movement itself.

[@agme8045]

It’s not just religious reasons, Jews are also a nation, and an ethnicity. Even before Israel came to exist. They could be compared to gypsies. Borderless nations. They didn’t just want to move to an other country again and become a new hated minority, just how it happened time after time everywhere they went. They didn’t choose Israel because of spirituality, they chose it because of history. Their culture, their identity, roots in that region of the world. They are a Semitic group, with a Semitic language. Jewish people were already living where Israel stands now, before they created the state. Why are the Muslims more entitled than the Jews to have a state of their own on that region? Israel won the war (well multiple wars actually, and none of them started by themselves) and people still can’t accept that the land belongs to the state of Israel, that it’s a multicultural, multiethnic and multi-religious country, that accepts everyone regardless of who they are. People often claim Israel must cease to exist because they are colonizers, well if they are colonizers, what about the USA? Brazil? Argentina? Chile? Should all those states cease to exist too? Should we all give the land back to the indigenous people? If anything, Israel has a much better claim to the territory of Israel, than any of the countries in the americas have over their own territories.

[@retchie7355]

@@agme8045 my point is muslims have historicly held the land longer than the jews did, at some point its better to cut the losses rather than open an old wound that you werent even a part of. Also, jews werent a hated minority after ww2 at all, but this destruction of gaza is only causing this hatred wich i also see as unjustified since jews and israelis are two different things. To be fair, anti-semitism is not something that should be illegal as its basicly just like disliking any other religion. Disrespecting things like sex, race or handicaps i understand to be wrong, but i never put religion in that category since religion is a choice, things like sex, race and chronic illnesses arent. Also, muslims did allow jews to practice and stay within the region for years, but all ot takes is for the jewish population to become a majority in the region for them to starts occupying more and more land and take it from the arabs. Thats where the bad stigma of jews come in, the stigma of jews being untrustable and i hope netenyahu sees that whats hes doing only further makes people see jews as a less peaceful folk but more as an ambitious people of supremacy..

[@agme8045]

@@retchie7355 jews never stopped being a hated minority, antisemitism (which you seem to think it’s ok for some f-ed up reason) has never fully disappeared, sure, there isn’t a government actively killing Jewish people in mass (except for the terrorist government of Palestine ofc) but the amount of antisemitism around even nowadays is huge. The amount of harmful stereotypes, “jokes”, “conspiracy theories” that many, many people believe to be true, are all part of antisemitism, and are in many ways mainstream ideas accepted by huge groups of people (remember Kanye West?) You can’t seem to understand “Jewish people” aren’t like Christians or Muslims. Antisemitism isn’t just hating Judaism as a religion, it’s hating Jewish people as group of ethnically and culturally related people. I’m an atheist, I “dislike” religion in general. That doesn’t mean I’m antisemitic, or that I hate Jewish people. Also, your logic is pretty weird. Disrespecting choices is fine? I don’t see gender as something natural, but as a person’s choice on how to express their identity, does that mean I can hate or disrespect people based on their gender identity? There’s (a lot of) people who think sexual orientation is a choice and that people choose to be gay, does that mean they can disrespect me based on my sexual orientation? Lastly, if you are one of those people who believe different human races exist, then being Jewish is considered to be a person’s race. Which would automatically, by your logic, make antisemitism something wrong.

[@ChespinCraft]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@retchie7355so so so many things that are just blatantly historically inaccurate in this comment. First, not going to get into the whole “who has claims over the region” because personally I find it to be a useless endeavor. Both groups have historical claims going back thousands of years and the impact is the same, there’s no point in discussing whose is “more legitimate”. Saying that Jews weren’t a hated minority after ww2 is actually historical revisionism, there’s a reason why the nazis were able to accomplish so much and it’s because they sowed seeds of hatred that had already been there for thousands of years, and hell Jews are still a hated minority today, even nearly a hundred years after the Holocaust. Your point on anti-semitism is uneducated, judaism is largely an ethnoreligion, and also a world minority religion. Jews make up less than 3% of the US population (highest Jewish population in the world besides Israel btw) and yet they are 60% religious hate crimes in the country. Being ethnically jewish is not a choice, being religiously jewish is, and Jews have been persecuted ethnically for thousands of years. Saying Muslims allowed Jews to practice their religions in the region is also not exactly very helpful given that they were eventually forcefully expelled from the countries in waves, whose families makes up a significant portion of the population of Israel. Now I don’t agree with the extremes of Israel’s military actions but please keep informed about the contexts on both sides.

[@jamesh1761]

i not recognition of Palestinian state

[@unreal4good367]

Apparently learning how to spell is too hard for you.

[@pao5567]

You don't recognize grammar either apparently

[@hunter19711]

W

[@FlopFan69]

L*

[@mossfen583]

@@FlopFan69for you lmao

[@JuanDeLaRosaTV]

3:35 Israel embraced Hamas’ election so that they can treat that piece of land with hostility. I am not verbatim quoting Noam Chomsky, but that is what he said. He is also a Jewish man who is highly intelligent.

[@diazvirdani1059]

*God bless Spain, Ireland, Norway recognise Palestine. next follows, USA, UK, Germany recognise Palestine 🤲*

[@alfredaszukauskas442]

1988 DDR

[@qrsx66]

But they wouldn't recognize Catalonia.

[@elianes5505]

They do. Catalonia is recognized as an integral part of Spain and Catalan is an official language. They don't recognize their independence because there is simply no reason to. Majority of Catalans don't want independence.

[@LialoyalistOT5_4EVER]

Ireland actually does recognise catalonia

[@generalpierogi7781]

@@elianes5505sure buddy keep telling that to yourself

[@elianes5505]

​@@generalpierogi7781 It's literally true. Keep telling youself the opposite.

[@generalpierogi7781]

@@elianes5505 don’t forget your meds

[@rxa177]

Israel should recognize Catalonia and Basque Country.

[@Eurofighter.]

Spain do neither bomb hospitals nor kill thousands of children and women in reprisal for the terrorist attack of hamas

[@conor1821]

Agreed!!! but everyone should, obviously not just Israel because that would simply come off petty and childish which to be fair would probably be a compliment to netanyahu in comparison to genocidal psychopath. Palestine Catalonia basque country Kurdistan western Sahara Taiwan West Papua Somaliland and many more all deserve independence!! Obviously it's harder in some places than others but in general there just aren't enough countries right now. There are way too many arbitrarily drawn lines (particularly in countries that were colonised) and completely distinct culture's forced into larger countries around the world right now and it just isn't right. The world would be such a better place if these places got their independence. Just look how much warmer the relations between Ireland and the UK have gotten since our independence, we even have the right to live work and travel visa free between the two countries just as Ireland has with the rest of the EU and it makes the quality of life so so so much better and people here are happier and richer too. Who knows in a century from now maybe these places will get to enjoy the same things with their neighbours too if things go well and if not at least they have the right to tell each other to stay out of their particular country rather than all this unnecessary death. Most of the time the countries subduing and forcing places to stay a part of their country do it solely for monetary purposes or/and they're corrupt and power hungry. New Caledonia is a great example that springs to my mind for some reason. It really is a tragedy that people are so brainwashed or uninformed on these kinds of issues these days.

[@agme8045]

What a stupid comparison. Ireland was colonized by the English, the English starved to death Irish people, literally. Catalonia was never forced into Spain, it was never colonized or subjugated. Spain itself is a product of the union between Castilla and Catalonia. There’s no Spain without Catalonia. Regarding the Palestine thing, Israel literally maintains Palestine alive, they give them water, food, energy. Palestine can’t survive without the help of Israel, because for decades Palestine focused on destroying Israel instead of developing their own country. Israel is even the home of millions of Arabs and Muslims, because who wouldn’t prefer to live in Israel? A country with opportunities, that respects every ethnicity, religion, gender and sexual orientation? I mean, if I had to choose, I definitely choose Israel, I’d literally be sentenced to death in pretty much every other middle eastern country just for existing as I do.

[@bethaltair812]

Toycat...seriously.... Israel's ideal end state is not an autonomous Palestine within its borders, its zero palestine. Its not like they haven't kicked people out and settled land before.

[@cornheadahh]

just combine the countries and make it a democracy

[@Nordisk11]

LET'S FUCKING GOOOOO

[@mingfanzhang8927]

❤😊❤😊❤

[@rickdingenenzo]

What took them so long

[@bummer7736]

America

[@archyarchfiendx2938]

The United States should recognize Catalonia

[@albetroz_]

Catalonia just hold an election and the pro-Indepence faction lost. Why recognise a country which doesn't even consider itself to be independent?

[@janitoalevic]

no

[@JmKrokY]

Why?

[@archyarchfiendx2938]

@@janitoalevic yes

[@archyarchfiendx2938]

@@JmKrokY because Spain loves recognizing places that’s shouldn’t be recognized

[@btrntsqsh]

Future me does he support palestine in some way

[@btrntsqsh]

Yes

[@Quepromm390]

@@btrntsqsh lol

[@brandonm8901]

Time to recognise Catalonia

[@kinnai8334]

Not even half the Catalans have voted for it in the last elections

[@thefreshvince879]

But those "exisiting" people drove out the past inhabitants, which were ethnic jews. The muslim caliphates completely pushed back judaism to the fringes of europe. Palestinians are just leftoever ottoman remnants

[@agme8045]

I think it’s funny how that same argument applies to Argentina and the Malvinas islands. The UK invaded the islands around 1830, expelling all the island inhabitants, and then proceeded to send British nationals there, who are the same 2k people who now vote for the islands to remain under British control.

[@Su_yt]

Jidf agent

[@ephraimboateng5239]

False. Most Palestinans right now have descendants that go back to the kingdom of Isrel or even before. Their ancestors were likely jews or christans who converted to islam to pay less taxes in the muslim Caliphates

[@prezdough3049]

Great, disappointed to be a Norwegian now.

[@cubekoss7547]

Lets have a oiled up twerking competion

[@unreal4good367]

you've always been a disappointment.

[@odderlendsolvang3790]

hvorfor?

[@mukkaar]

Honestly, I'm personally more on Israel side. But at the same time I do want to see this situwtion resolved and I think this is good start.

[@JasonTaylor-po5xc]

Palestine is a region named by the Romans to offend the Jews after the second revolt in the first century AD. When the Ottoman Empire controlled the area, it had a different name (two districts) for about 600 years (1299 until 1918). The current, resurrected name is unrelated to the actual people living there - since they are just Arabs. The original people (Philistines) haven't lived there since the 6th century BC since the Babylonian Empire removed them. Gaza was once part of Egypt and the West Bank was once part of Jordan. The land in question, historically, has just been a mixture of Arab, Christian, and Jewish settlements and homes with various empires controlling the area. There hasn't really been a concept of "countries" in that area until the 20th century. There were city-states, then small kingdoms, then districts of larger empires, then Israel in 1948 with the other land part of other counties in the area. Having some historical context is important since both side are claiming history on their side with rather misleading maps and narratives. The question is how much weight do we place on the history argument? Should we make Russia give back lands formerly part of the Mongolian Empire? Sorta ironic considering Ukraine. I used to think a two-state solution could work but not anymore. There just needs to be one state granting equal rights for all citizens regardless of religion or ethnic background. Of the three (Israel, Hamas, and PLO) - only Israel is even sorta like a modern liberal democracy able to do that. The other two are repressive authoritarian or theocratic monsters - one worse than the other. Hamas would exterminate anyone that doesn't openly agree with their beliefs (so no Pride parades in Gaza). I do like the idea of an autonomous region that is still subject to the primary country - this is a common setup in other parts of the world. Of course, you'll always have those "freedom fighters" that want to setup their own version of a utopia even if that would be a living hell for everyone else. War sucks, but that's the nature of war. Israel is taking the Ender Wiggins approach to dealing with bullies. Hamas' entire purpose is to delete Israel off the map and anyone that disagrees with them. Right now, there is no end in sight. Both sides won't stop until the other no longer exists.

[@natekeipper3823]

Israel is not a typo man.

[@cte4dota]

Catalonia and Scotland are next for sure.

[@delfi7077]

they already did a referendum both, the next will be Bougainville

[@rb98769]

Not gonna happen

[@cte4dota]

@@rb98769 Why? If Kosovo can by breaking all international law and entire west admiting it why should not others? If there is freedom they should if they want.

[@rb98769]

@@cte4dota I'm not saying it should or shouldn't happen, I'm just saying it's extremely unlikely to happen.

[@cba2pickname]

The Scottish pro independence party is about to be decimated...