iCarly's Most Unhealthy Episode

Bottom of the Bakery #16: Seddie pt 4: iCan’t Take It
I review the penultimate episode of the messed up Seddie arc. An episode filled with violent outbursts and awful behavior.
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Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)
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[@ronjoe17]

Sam’s actress, Jeannette McCurdy has recently said that she’s ashamed of most of her roles, including Sam. And remembering episodes like this... it’s not hard to see why :/ (Also, What was that ‘cake’ made out of?)

[@TheREALwymario]

My guess is Rice Krispies with black food coloring plus chocolate and red frosting. Just based on how it pops off and the sound it makes. Could totally be wrong though.

[@zynacle]

Definitely Rice Crispies, at some points I was able to notice threads of marshmallow in the cake.

[@EssexAggiegrad2011]

Sam was overall good though

[@emmastarr5242]

Gotta agree, she was always the worst part of the show to me too. Like the musical segments of the Looney Tunes Show.

[@toonzach2870]

@@emmastarr5242 I BLEW MY STACK

[@Crimson_Mayhem]

This episode is extremely uncomfortable to watch after knowing the fact that Jennette McCurdy suffered traumatic and abusive situations within the show's production. I don't blame her for not coming back to the reboot. This show leaves a sour taste.

[@QuasarYGO]

I would have fired Schneider after this. This isn’t Dark humor that only adults understand, it’s uncomfortable I am glad Schneider is nowhere near the revival.

[@sherifflasso]

Poor thing. I hope she’s doing better now.

[@justyumi4410]

And yet, this is the show normies have been flocking to recently, mainly because of the reboot which really didn't impress me. I never laughed once.

[@Xehanort10]

The fact that she had an eating disorder while they had the character of Sam nearly constantly eat is tough to look back on now.

[@diamondminer5459]

@@justyumi4410 It was a good show. It had ups and downs but it was pretty good on average. No need to call people “normies”, that’s mean.

[@jowens197]

Yeah...I see why Jeanette McCurdy hated her character so much

[@skibot9974]

Well it’s more than that from what I can tell she didn’t even want to be an actor

[@jowens197]

@@skibot9974 Yeah she didn't, but she especially didn't like this role

[@romaryovictor1256]

@@skibot9974 yet Nathan does not hate his character

[@skibot9974]

@@romaryovictor1256 well Freddie is written well outside of this arc

[@romaryovictor1256]

@@skibot9974 Nathan was also harmed by Dan who come he didn’t quit acting

[@ShadowStreak]

The fact that PIEguy is eating a cake should sum up how wrong this episode is.

[@fodv93]

Looks like they couldn't.... *Puts on shades* Have their cake and eat it too *YEEEAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!*

[@justinweiss2661]

Watching him eat cake with his hands like a barbarian is almost as disturbing as the episode

[@kendrarasberry3078]

Hi, Shadow Streak!

[@ExtremeWreck]

@@justinweiss2661 Kind of like how I eat cereal with no milk, & hands.

[@justinweiss2661]

@@ExtremeWreck Imma pretend I didn't just read that

[@ScradeCottontail]

Gee, I wonder why Dan Schneider wrote an episode glorifying abusive relationships. No idea why.

[@firelightyear]

Kinda Ironic right?

[@summerrose8110]

@@firelightyear Painfully ironic🤦‍♀️

[@JohnDoe-kn7ex]

@@firelightyear What’s a pedphile?

[@vampyreabyss]

he did the same with beck and jade from victorious

[@thatoneguy609]

@@vampyreabyss it’s been like nine years so i could just be forgetting a lot, but was their relationship actually _toxic?_ the worst thing i remember the two of them doing is simply arguing

[@Triff3599]

This episode’s arc somehow disturbs me more than the Family Guy episode about Quagmire’s sister being in an abusive relationship. *If iCarly makes me more uncomfortable than the show that’s religiously dedicated to shock value, then that’s not a good thing at all.*

[@fantasticfreddie5]

There's also the factor that this show is aimed at kids and teens. Say what you will about "Family Guy" doing things like this, at least it has the excuse of it being a show aimed at adults who should know things work and what's right and wrong. This show is aimed at kids and teens who don't have as much a grasp on the world and they could easily get the wrong idea that just because it's a comedy show for kids that behavior like this is acceptable which makes it so much more uncomfortable.

[@francescomanzo3939]

BLASPHEMOUS!!!!! (not referred to opinions)

[@NihilisticSnake]

Family Guy actually punished the abuser in their episode. Sam pretty much gets away with everything.

[@eryuu4016]

@@NihilisticSnake Which makes it even *worse.*

[@byronsenior6499]

@@NihilisticSnake Yeah but the episode before that justified Meg's family abusing her.

[@Dante...]

I feel bad for Jeanette. Her most well known role was an unlikable bully 90% of the time.

[@PhoenixRising87]

It's especially sad (and sick) that Dan Schnieder made her character obsessed with food, since Jennette suffered from an ED. Just sick; I hope the poor woman can move forward.

[@charlesancer6101]

Speak for yourself. Her character was great

[@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr]

@@charlesancer6101 , my most favorite characters in the series would have to be T-Bo and Spencer, and I never really liked any of the other characters besides those two.

[@Bullboy_Adventures]

Mine was lewbert. He stole the show everytime he was on screen

[@bmgfrosty7089]

SHE WAS BEST GIRL SPEAK FOR YOURSELF

[@abdullahibouraleh6919]

I'm sorry your former partner was abusive to you, Pieguy. That explains why it took so long (3 years or so). I have never seen this episode before, but this review made me think of the Family Guy episode Seahorse Seashell Party. That came out later, but still. I had no idea iCarly could get this bad.

[@daliborjovanovic510]

Same here. I never thought something would make me think "That episode is overheated", but Dan Schneider somehow accomplished that. Furthermore, at least Family Guy's main demographic are meant to be adults, so they (hopefully) wouldn't take the shit that episode preaches seriously, but ICarly is meant for minors. Sam really is just a terrible character, since she's basically just a romanticized bully and juvenile delinquent and I honestly don't even want to think how she might have influenced the target audience's perception of friendships and romantic relationships.

[@Emilyrox]

The bakery depths mutated PieGuy into a real human being

[@RWBYraikou888]

And mutated the cake into molten-over lava.

[@spongefan155]

His Hat Also Burned Up

[@carleespindler3177]

It’s the first time Pie Guy does a face reveal.

[@wrestlingfan2024]

@@carleespindler3177 no it’s not

[@JacobHillSBD]

I have a theory about why the episode written this way: It was done intentionally. The writers pointed out, in universe, MULTIPLE TIMES, that Seddie was a bad idea. So this is the writers going "We tried to warn you, and this is what you're getting."

[@entertainer_ev2747]

Part of me wants to believe that, but considering most Dan Schneider content post-2010 takes a major nosedive in quality im gonna believe its hack writing

[@nevermind3630]

That’s what I was thinking, the only addition I was gonna add was that Nick probably forced them to do it because the network knew that the relationship themed episodes ended up being the most viewed episodes. I feel like writers were forced to do it and made it purposely bad.

[@ΑΡΙΣΤΟΤΕΛΗΣΛΑΧΑΝΟΠΟΥΛΟΣ]

Seddie fans are still convinced those were good relationship episodes and that Dan is genuinely in favour of that relationship. Those guys are delusional Another theory I've heard that made more sense though, is that Schneider made these episodes because iSaved your life had the highest ratings in the show and he wasn't directly involved with it, so he was jealous

[@2011supergamer]

Yeah, I think that's almost certainly what happened, considering how short it lasted.

[@skibot9974]

@@entertainer_ev2747 I would say it didn’t shit the bed till after Victorious

[@Surgemaster2012]

This is the worst episode of the entire show and features Sam Puckett at her worst. Don't get me wrong I have no problem with abrasive or unlikable characters as long as there's entertainment or reason to them. For instance I like Megan from Drake & Josh because you're suppose to dislike her (the two exceptions being the Peruvian Puff Pepper and Sheep episodes). Whereas you're suppose to like characters like Sam and Jade. In Sam's case I liked her back in iCarly's earlier seasons (the first 3 back when the show was good, if missteps here and there) because while she was always aggressive to a degree I feel earlier seasons used it better or it was placed in the right time in a comedic situation. A good example of this was the episode where a group of writers plagiarized iCarly's skits and were using it for their own show Totally Terry, Sam assaults the men with a butter sock, which was funny. The one exception to the rule was obvious her treatment of Freddie, which yeah even in the earlier seasons could go too far. But I felt with the exception of her abuse toward Freddie her aggressiveness wasn't that bad and while she wasn't perfect at it Carly made more attempts to call out Sam. In the later seasons Sam would turn her aggressive tendencies into straight up violence toward anybody who wasn't Carly or Spencer. Like the way she brutally attacks Gibby in this episode is worse than any abuse she gave Freddie. Its also strange in that Mrs Benson is suppose to be the antagonist of the episode because of how she is normally, but this is the one instance in the entire series where she's in the right! And don't get me wrong Freddie isn't perfect either, but I do feel with the exception of the Seddie arc he still remained the most likable character alongside Spencer and Gibby in the show! That being said it was a pretty awful move for him to edit Carly out of an iCarly skit, not to mention very out of character. What I found the most gross about this whole thing was that even though they were "dating" Freddie was still being thrown under the bus in some way the whole arc, rather it was him being seen as wrong for not wanting to pay money in the previous episode or Sam doing something that somehow loops back around to being his fault. Here Sam sabotages a potential future for his life because of something so frivolous as not telling her the time?

[@ΑΡΙΣΤΟΤΕΛΗΣΛΑΧΑΝΟΠΟΥΛΟΣ]

imeetFred is worse

[@entertainer_ev2747]

@@ΑΡΙΣΤΟΤΕΛΗΣΛΑΧΑΝΟΠΟΥΛΟΣ imo ifind Spencer friends is worse than both.

[@diamondminer5459]

Sam was always a hard character to handle. She had her good moments, but she was always prone to being flanderized. I don’t hate her overall, but sometimes she made me uncomfortable.

[@ΑΡΙΣΤΟΤΕΛΗΣΛΑΧΑΝΟΠΟΥΛΟΣ]

@@diamondminer5459 I hate her with a burning passion Sam is all the bullies that made my life miserable in middle school. And the show always puts her on top and treats her as a cool person. That's a problem. People like Sam shouldn't be enabled

[@raviola339]

i agree with your points, though i don’t think you were supposed to like jade in victorious. i mean, i personally like her, but i think jade is a lot more like megan than sam.

[@TriplicateJoppy]

iCarly has always been a mixed bag even in it's heyday. But this whole arc is just incredibly surprisingly bad. No wonder Janette McCurdy doesn't want anything to do with it anymore. Obviously it is a much more layered and complex situation than just a few terrible episodes, but it certainly didn't help things.

[@diamondminer5459]

Sam was always a hard character to handle. She had her good moments, but she was always prone to being flanderized. I don’t hate her overall, but sometimes she made me uncomfortable.

[@daliborjovanovic510]

I honestly don’t see the appeal of Dan Schneider’s shows period. They all seem to be little more than hodgepodges of the most reviled comedy tropes ever; one-dimensional main characters who are either braindead, unfettered sociopaths or the universe’s chew toy, random, mad libs plots, lowbrow and idiotic humor that thinks wacky and over the top and having actors just chew the scenery Jim Carrey-style without any direction instantly equals hilarious, assholes characters who cause trouble for everyone but rarely if ever receive comeuppance while the sympathetic characters constantly get punished, characters constantly going through hell to accomplish something only to still lose and be humiliated in the end, etc., etc. They’re like the worst of Disney Channel sitcoms but gutted of any charm or heart they originally had and replacing it with the most obnoxious tropes from seasons 6-8 of Spongebob XD

[@KirbyMario12345_939]

Just because you’re doing something that is less bad, or something bad is done less often, that doesn’t mean you’re doing a good thing. Ergo, Sam’s words of beating Freddie less often are pretty empty. It often, though not always, hides a darker front of "I'm not really trying that hard to better myself." There are people who do genuinely try to improve themselves as people or at least contribute to society in some way, but can’t help slipping into their past ways for one reason or another. Sam Puckett, however, is not one of those people. She’s a bad person, and a badly-written character, through and through. On a different topic, now that I understand why the iCarly videos stopped, I’m glad you are currently in a better place yourself in regards to relationships. (Sidenote: that "Woo!" caught me off guard and made me chuckle.)

[@diamondminer5459]

Sam was always a hard character to handle. She had her good moments, but she was always prone to being flanderized. I don’t hate her overall, but sometimes she made me uncomfortable.

[@ΑΡΙΣΤΟΤΕΛΗΣΛΑΧΑΝΟΠΟΥΛΟΣ]

Let's just say it. The only reason this relationship had fans and was even allowed on television is because the abuser is a girl. If the genders were reversed everyone would hate it. And this is problematic in all sorts of ways

[@nascarfanatic2425]

I disagree somewhat. I think back then, the opposites attract type of couple was really popular back then; especially in comedies. And because this type of couple worked in previous shows. (Zoey 101, Drake & Josh, and etc.) However, this was the worst portrayal of this type of couple. And do you want to know what makes it worse? There was an article that literally said Seddie was the #1 couple that saved Nickelodeon.

[@davidwallgren7575]

Double standards much?

[@elihfisher1059]

@@nascarfanatic2425I agree with the opposites attract but physical fighting being done by the male partner? I have no doubt that having the guy beating up the girl constantly and other girls in this context would be absolutely career ending, if not never allowed on television.

[@nascarfanatic2425]

@@elihfisher1059 Unless it's an outdated adult cartoon that's long past overstayed its welcome on Fox. (I'm of course knocking on Family Guy and its "special episode on domestic abuse, Screams of Silence: The Story of Brenda Q.) Needless to say, just because playing reverse the genders in this case makes it politically correct doesn't mean it makes it good. Seriously though, if the Seddie Arc was about Freddie constantly being physically abusive to Sam, you're absolutely right that it would cause outrage.

[@cartooncottage2024]

Seddie was toxic as hell and so was Sam and Freddie's friendship. It only got slightly better during and after they had a relationship. But it was still garbage. That's why I'm rather happy that Sam's not in the reboot. She wasn't always the most entertaining factor of the original series, anyway. Spencer and Freddie, and Gibby carried the show. The villains and some side characters they had carried the show. Sam's not really needed and people need to accept that and leave Jeanette McCurdy alone.

[@diamondminer5459]

Rather than assuming that Seddie fans are people who glorify abuse, I think their idea was that Seddie would be a thing after the two had worked out old differences and were actually GOOD FRIENDS. But the arc didn’t do that, they just jumped into the relationship without any preparation. Remember, iStart a Fan War wasn’t making fun of general shippers, so you have no right to either or else you’ve missed the point.

[@mintychustarclan7381]

There a reboot in iCarly

[@BabyGirlTiny]

Freddie didn’t carry the show but I agree with Spencer and hubby to an extent

[@gracekim25]

Yeah hopefully people will leave her be

[@gracekim25]

@@diamondminer5459 stop repeating. It’s ANNOYING

[@theanti-her0x]

So... cathartic! There are just SOOOOOOO many problems with this dumpster fire of an episode. In addition to all that you brought up, it's a little convenient that the Gibby who took on Nora in iPsycho and WON, didn't even TRY to do the same with Sam here. Also... how the hell did Sam even manage to sabotage Freddie's application without him knowing? Typically, people need some sort of account to fill out these things online, yes? So Sam somehow managed to hack in, alter and save the answers, and when Freddie logged back in, he somehow didn't notice or pay attention to the fact that the answers had been changed before submitting the application? Would he not have double checked things or something?! There's also the fact that nobody bothers to contact the camp to inform them of the sabotaged application. Not even Freddie's mom, who is the dictionary definition of an overprotective parent. Not gonna lie, for the first few seconds I was wondering why you were doing this in live-action as opposed to using the PieCons. Then you said you were gonna discuss abusive relationships, and I realised that this was meant to be more of a heart-to-heart discussion with the audience... especially with what you revealed near the end. I'm so sorry about what happened to you. But you know what? We're all here for you, my guy PieGuy!

[@srrenityy8083]

Well, the NERD application situation happened before they were dating. The episode iLove You can be proven to show how much they do love each other.

[@theanti-her0x]

@@srrenityy8083 As PieGuy said in the video, even if Sam changed the answers before they started dating, that doesn't make what she did any less horrible or acceptable. In fact, in a way, it makes the story even worse, as Carly knew what Sam had done to Freddie... yet Carly was not only okay with them dating, she actually encouraged it in iLost My Mind. I mean, it was a horrible idea from the start, considering Sam's abuse of Freddie throughout the show, but the NERD application incident takes it to a whole new level. People are constituently within their rights to ship these two, but needless to say, I will never be one them. And I feel real bad for Jeanette McCurdy for playing one of the most repulsive protagonists in TV history.

[@srrenityy8083]

@@theanti-her0x No one wants 2 perfect characters to be together. These two are examples of how the relationship can be spiced up and can also be more interesting. That is Sam’s personality and you really can’t change anything about that. That’s what carried the show too, hence why it became so popular. And plus, F forgave her as well and then thought it was funny. The trope between the two is actually very popular and is used in many television series (Victorious, Drake & Josh, etc) where badass hardcore punk falls in love with the nerdy type. Yes, I understand what Sam did could’ve been wrong, but at least there was forgiveness. And Carly never pressured her to date Freddie or the same back, it was a connection since the beginning.

[@skibot9974]

Well Season 1 showed Principal Franklin has a habit of keeping his password in the open. If the NERD program was connected to the school at all it would be easy for Sam to hack it

[@theanti-her0x]

​@@srrenityy8083 "No one wants 2 perfect characters to be together. These two are examples of how the relationship can be spiced up and can also be more interesting." Well... their relationship is interesting, I'll give you that. And yes, I agree that a perfect couple would make for boring television. However, there's a difference between 'perfect' and 'healthy', and Sam and Freddie's relationship isn't healthy. At all. She regularly verbally and physically assaults throughout the series. "That is Sam’s personality and you really can’t change anything about that." I dunno, I believe therapy exists for that sort of thing. But whether you can change it or not, that doesn't make her actions okay. "That’s what carried the show too, hence why it became so popular." Well, it's not like that opinion was universal, and if the comments section is anything to go by, it's aged like milk. "And plus, F forgave her as well and then thought it was funny." Would you truly forgive someone who not only regularly verbally and physically assaults you, but also ruins your life prospects. I sure as hell wouldn't, and I'm pretty sure PieGuy wouldn't with whatever it is he went through. "Yes, I understand what Sam did could’ve been wrong, but at least there was forgiveness." Could've been wrong? It WAS wrong. Comedy or not, Freddie not knowing what time it was when Sam asked does not in any way warrant that kind of malice. "And Carly never pressured her to date Freddie or the same back, it was a connection since the beginning." Except Carly knows what Sam is like to Freddie on a regular basis, and she saw no problem with them dating.

[@HispanicToddendale]

I’m so sorry that you were treated that way. You don’t deserve that. I’m glad you’re doing better. As a fellow abusive relationship survivor, I know it can be hard. Stay strong, PieGuy.

[@PIEGUYRULZ]

I appreciate the support, but it wasn’t her.

[@HispanicToddendale]

@@PIEGUYRULZ Oh. My mistake. I’ll fix that.

[@romaryovictor1256]

@@PIEGUYRULZ one more episode to go please when you make it

[@MattSayYay]

@@HispanicToddendale were you talking about Erin before you edited the comment?

[@jakestan1185]

@@PIEGUYRULZ I hope you will get better and I hope that never happens to you again And I hope it never happens to me ever

[@TheFriendlyWeirdo]

Seddie really was one of the most toxic ships.

[@gracekim25]

It really was😅

[@markmorgan115]

Just like bade

[@SarimFaruque]

@@markmorgan115 At least with Bade both parties were to blame. Sam just constantly tormented Freddie for little reason at all.

[@markmorgan115]

@@SarimFaruque I was talking to the friendly weirdo about seddie and bade both being toxic relationships not who's fault it was in either of the couples.

[@srrenityy8083]

they weren’t but ok?

[@KingYoshi93]

The episode iPear Store that comes a little after the breakup is also horrible. It shows that Sam hasn't grown up at all and still likes to make Freddie's life miserable. :(

[@Lauren_210]

Yeah after watching that one as well, I kept asking myself why we wasted so much time on this Seddie arc. It served no purpose and Sam didn't even change after being in that relationship.

[@entertainer_ev2747]

@@Lauren_210 Cuz Dan Schneider and his modern crew were hacks, that's why

[@Slick5150]

That episode really infuriates me because she gets that job just to mess with Freddie & gets him fired. And literally get some fired and literally Right after hes fired she quits the job like WTF?!?!

[@srrenityy8083]

@@Lauren_210 Seddie had nothing to do with iPear Store.

[@srrenityy8083]

@@Slick5150 Maybe she just wanted to spend time with him. After he got fired, she felt very bad for him and then quit herself.

[@daliborjovanovic510]

Here’s some fun trivia. For one thing, Nathan Kress himself bluntly stated in a 2017 interview that he did not support the Seddie paring, for the exact same reasons most sensible people wouldn’t support it (as in, Sam was a horrible, abusive person who treated Freddie like shit and regularly beat the crap out of him). Similarly, Jennette McCurdy outright stated that she did not like Sam as a character, not just because she detested her acting career in general, which her parents had pressured her into, but also because she too considered Sam to be a terrible, mean-spirited character and a horrible role model for kids. With that in mind, along with the actual canon relationship between the two characters, I’m not sure how both Sam Puckett and Seddie could be any more objectively bad, short of Dan Schneider himself denouncing them (though I doubt anyone would give two cents about his opinion nowadays XD). And as if that wasn’t enough, once it was revealed that Sam wouldn’t be returning for the sequel show, Sam fanatics were so upset that they took notes from their favorite character and went to cyberbully and shout racist insults at Laci Mosley (the actress who plays Harper) for having the gall to replace Sam as Carly’s new BF, ignoring the fact that Jeannette herself did not like the character or being an actress and had no interest to return to the show. Sam just emanates toxicity wherever she goes, doesn’t she?

[@gracekim25]

That is horrifying 😨 I hope that new person is alright 😢

[@johnnyd3158]

Here I thought that Star Wars fans were pure toxicity, 😨.

[@moiii_01]

Omg, are you serious?? Those seddie fans are so delusional and toxic, I keep saying it😭😭😭poor Harperrrr!

[@williamwhite1036]

The seddie portion is the worst part of the show.

[@williebelcher9303]

Don't tell seddiers that

[@rolandodr98]

@@williebelcher9303 Screw them, it is a toxic relationship and they need to know that

[@rolandodr98]

@@mytunes9050 Tell that to the shippers

[@williebelcher9303]

@@mytunes9050 see if that was the other way around you wouldn't be saying that you would be calling the show out for toxic abuse and violence

[@diamondminer5459]

@@williebelcher9303 Rather than assuming that Seddie fans are people who glorify abuse, I think their idea was that Seddie would be a thing after the two had worked out old differences and were actually GOOD FRIENDS. But the arc didn’t do that, they just jumped into the relationship without any preparation. Remember, iStart a Fan War wasn’t making fun of general shippers, so you have no right to either or else you’ve missed the point.

[@MxCartney_Lou]

Meg Griffin: “Do you think it’s possible that this family needs a lighting rod to absorb all the disfunction?”

[@AJ-xc4qe]

I don't watch that show but after watching Mr Enter's review of that episode, it's no wonder why he hates the show so much

[@nicholassims9837]

@@AJ-xc4qe Klaus on American Dad is the Smithes lighting rod.

[@MxCartney_Lou]

@@AJ-xc4qe same

[@YaBoiBrendo]

I would love it if the final episode is Meg running away and starting her life over somewhere else.

[@PhoenixRising87]

I would repeatedly punch that show in the nads if I could. Meg needs to find a girlfriend and move to Portland, or something.

[@Lauren_210]

If someone screwed up my application to get into a university, job opening, or whatever opportunity was for a reason like that, I would have been beyond pissed and doubt on forgiving them. I am someone who gives people second chances and is easily forgiving, but there are times when forgiveness is not going to be an option and this would be one of them. I really didn't like how inconsiderate Carly was in regards to Freddie's feelings of sadness and being hurt about Sam sabotaging his application to the camp. She brings up the question, "How many things has Sam ruined for me?" as a way to justify her reasoning to tell Freddie not to care over what she did. One, that is not an excuse and not your business to interfere with what they decide to do about the relationship. Second, I think it sends a really bad message to teenagers when it comes to relationships because the episode is basically saying that if your partner/significant other interferes with your professional career/academics, you shouldn't break up with them over that. You need to focus on yourself and you comes first before focusing on your partner and their needs. It's more important for you to prioritize your schooling first than over a man or woman. Your partner should never take over and dictate your professional and academic choices. Freddie really wanted to go to that camp that would have highly benefited him professionally and help him get into a really good college and even though he should have never been in this relationship with Sam in the first place, he had every right to be upset over it and break up with Sam when it came to something like this. Sam was at her worst here and an example of an extremely toxic person in someone's life and one Freddie should have completely cut off from this point here. There is no going back from something like this. This episode is my least favorite from the entire show to be honest. I also cannot get over as to why Carly kept the secret about the forged application from Freddie and his mother. She knew about this for some time and I guarantee that Sam begged Carly not to disclose this to Freddie. Even then, I think Carly would have stood up to Sam and told her that this is something she could not keep from one of her friends and either tell her to talk to Freddie about what she did or take action in contacting the camp about the application. I don't understand why Carly (or anyone else like Freddie's mother) never contacted the camp to let them know that Freddie's application was changed and it was not the intended application he meant to send in. After Freddie found out about Sam changing it, I also wonder why he didn't contact the camp himself to explain to them what happened and if they would provide Freddie the opportunity to resend in the application he meant to send in. Perhaps the deadline already passed or if the camp was already running by that point, but even then, I wish that they explained as to how Sam was able to just get into his application and changed his responses since it appeared that it was an online application and if Freddie would have been able to get a second chance to resend it or even reapply next year if he would have still be qualified to go the following year. This would be especially questionable by the admissions team when reviewing applications and if Freddie had to also send in his high school transcript and/or asked for recommendations, his grades would have been excellent with him being an straight A student and his teachers would have given a good word about Freddie as a student and individual, so they would have seen that something is CLEARLY not right with the online application and looks to have forged by someone else.

[@Surgemaster2012]

Normally Mrs Benson is portrayed as an overbearing, coddling and controlling mother, but really she was the ONLY character who didn't just randomly decide to change her mind. She was actually in the right this whole time yet she's suppose to be the antagonist of the episode. Like when she enters the iCarly studio and showcases Freddie what Sam did to his application she has a look of delight on her face, almost as if the episode wants you to think she's the bad guy. I also would like to point out the plothole of Carly knowing Sam sabotaged Freddie's Science Camp application and yet she apparently kept this from Freddie the whole time and only decides to bring it up out of the convenience that she was sick of their relationship, that doesn't showcase Carly in a good light when she knowingly kept that from him. To me alongside the abuse angle what I found most frustrating about the show is how everything Sam does always has to loop to making Freddie the buttmonkey or under the subject of losing. Like despite dating, something had to be his fault or he got abused regularly. Its like Freddie can't ever catch a break because Sam's actions will always make him miserable. Honestly its no wonder why Jenette McCurdy hates her portrayal here. Sam abusing Gibby is by far the most uncomfortable scene in the entire show. Especially when she partly scalps him and dislocates his shoulder.

[@EmmaCRBsnewstuff]

Yeah, I never liked how Carly just made Freddie forgive Sam, as if "i'm sorry" would cut it, and also her saying "Oh, who cares?" It's up to him if he wants to forgive her or not, no one cared about how he felt

[@Lauren_210]

@@EmmaCRBsnewstuff Honestly, this Seddie arc was completely one sided and it felt like Carly was constantly on Sam’s side. In this specific case, I can’t see as to how anyone would be on Sam’s side and Freddie was completely justified in how he was feeling and Sam needed to be called out on what she did. Yes, as a friend, you can give your advice or opinion on a friend’s relationship if they happen to ask you what they think but at the end of the day, you are not the person who decides for someone what they should do about their relationship. What would Carly have thought about this kind of situation if she experienced the same thing with a boyfriend where he ended up sabotaging something special for her and was a toxic guy for her?

[@Luigifanboy1123]

While Sam is my least favorite part of this arc (and of the whole show for that part) Carly is a CLOSE, CLOSE second. She peer pressures Sam into dating Freddie on the internet without a care of how Freddie feels about the matter. She constantly tells both of them they are in the wrong in iDate Sam and Freddie even thought MOST of the time Sam was completely in the wrong. She kept Sam sabotaging Freddie's application a secret from him. And what really gets my blood boiling is the last part of this episode where Carly shows an utter lack of regard for Freddie's feelings and what Sam did to him, convinces him to continue dating a literal sociopath, and creepily pushes their heads together to force them to kiss. Also, these writers seriously think that all their is to a relationship is kissing.

[@srrenityy8083]

@@Luigifanboy1123 Well, relationships do kiss. That’s what you will expect in a relationship. Seddie was amazing, that’s all you will expect from me.

[@Surgemaster2012]

Normally Mrs Benson is portrayed as an overbearing, coddling and controlling mother, but really she was the ONLY character who didn't just randomly decide to change her mind. She was actually in the right this whole time yet she's suppose to be the antagonist of the episode. Like when she enters the iCarly studio and showcases Freddie what Sam did to his application she has a look of delight on her face, almost as if the episode wants you to think she's the bad guy. I also would like to point out the plothole of Carly knowing Sam sabotaged Freddie's Science Camp application and yet she apparently kept this from Freddie the whole time and only decides to bring it up out of the convenience that she was sick of their relationship, that doesn't showcase Carly in a good light when she knowingly kept that from him. Carly in later seasons really just because a more passive aggressive Sam! To me alongside the abuse angle what I found most frustrating about the show is how everything Sam does always has to loop to making Freddie the buttmonkey or under the subject of losing. Like despite dating, something had to be his fault or he got abused regularly. Its like Freddie can't ever catch a break because Sam's actions will always make him miserable. Honestly its no wonder why Jenette McCurdy hates her portrayal here. Sam abusing Gibby is by far the most uncomfortable scene in the entire show. Especially when she partly scalps him and dislocates his shoulder.

[@hassanalkhalaf1115]

Someone had to say it about Carly. She isn't any better than Sam. She doesn't abuse him physically but she is a witness to the abuse but decides either to go silent about it or even supports it like in the Fred episode. She wanted Sam to physically hurt Freddie just to get the beef solved. Another episode which shows Carly in a bad light is the second Nora special. Carly witnessed that Nora kissed Freddie without his permission but instead of doing something against it she decidet to eat cake. What makes it worse is that the exact same situation happened to Carly with Nevel. That's the biggest sexism. It shows what a hypocrite Carly is

[@anothergamer112]

It's episodes like these that make you wish Freddie cut of Carly and Sam and just got better friends.

[@soapoperaz]

sam mentally emotionally and physically abusing freddie for 4 or 5 seasons and carly enabling it and never doing anything about it was the worst part of the show

[@elcrestthehero7012]

Carly constantly defended Freddie and tried to stop Sam. She did not enable it.

[@PhoenixRising87]

@@elcrestthehero7012 Dude, this very epispde literally has her excusing it.

[@damiondunn4663]

​@@elcrestthehero7012nope Carly barley does anything to defend Freddie and most of the time she just laughed at him too

[@elcrestthehero7012]

@damiondunn4663 False. Try actually watching the show and then get back to me lol. You know like literally anytime Sam abused him and Carly took the weapon away, directly told her to stop, and even tried giving her an ultimatum (which Sam failed because she just couldn't resist being a bully).

[@elcrestthehero7012]

@PhoenixRising87 The Seddie arc is trash and everyone aside from Sam is OOC? Literally watch all of the previous seasons, then try again lmao.

[@Homerstar]

Episode's like this really annoy me because it basically say's that men being abused in a relationship is fine. It's not. Men get abused by Women in real life and episodes like this are the reason that no one takes it seriously, because to them it's just one big joke.

[@DeadlyAlienInvader]

I guess this is what you would expect from a show created by a pedophile that has anger management issues and thought that the best solution to an actresses’ bullying problem is giving her a portable dvd player.

[@AuraKumo104]

It is very unfortunate because women hitting men is a common trope that is always played for laughs in a lot of shows.

[@Xehanort10]

Abuse should be treated seriously no matter who's doing it and who it's being done to. Good writers show it as wrong whether it's a man doing it to a woman, a woman doing it to a man, a man doing it to another man or a woman doing it to another woman. But bad writers treat women abusing men as hilarious. It isn't.

[@ethanlane3055]

Yeah and it needs to stop

[@ethanlane3055]

Yeah and it sucks

[@skibot9974]

Remember back in Season 1 when Sam was a troublemaker and not a sociopath?

[@Nick-xp6cr]

I thought she kinda was a sociopath in season 1, too. She was literally ONLY nice to Carly. I could be remembering it wrong. I’d like to hear why you thought she was better in season 1 as opposed to the rest of the seasons.

[@skibot9974]

@@Nick-xp6cr if my memory is correct she wasn’t violent for no reason in earlier seasons and seemed capable of some empathy

[@anothergamer112]

One of the best B plots was from an early episode where Sam simply discovers reading. Too bad she was done with it by the end. Its a shame. Being an avid reader would've given her another layer beyond just obsessing over bacon and being a straight up abuser.

[@skibot9974]

@@anothergamer112 yeah

[@HighLifeProds17]

I like to call her "live action Vicky" for a reason...

[@z-voices263]

He’s done it!!! Welcome back to the Bakery Pieguy!

[@JoeyTurner476]

So really, anyone who misses Sam in the revival, just a reminder.... this episode happened. (Though for real, I just hope Jeanette McCurdy's doing ok in real life).

[@entertainer_ev2747]

We really got lowlife racists on insta wanting Sam back when she was probably the worst character in the main show lmao

[@JoeyTurner476]

@@entertainer_ev2747 To me, it was either her or Gibby (Again, just a reminder, no disrespect towards their actors... I hate that I have to emphasize that). As for the revival, Harper's actually growing on me ^^ Millicent is taking a bit longer, but she's definitely better than Piper from Henry Danger.

[@davidanthonymercado7064]

@@JoeyTurner476 Honestly, I’m completely fine with Jeannette Mccurdy never acting again after what’s she’s been through.

[@islesofforeignrails7917]

I could truly sympathize for Jeanette McCurdy after everything she went through and Dan Schneider harrasing her, eating disorder, her mum passing away, and embarrassing herself on TV when she was younger.

[@davidanthonymercado7064]

@Truth Seeker I can’t tell what was her worst moment. That one time she had a sweatshop with children or most of the time she was with Freddie.

[@nicoletravis8702]

i honestly can't blame mrs benson from not allowing freddie to date sam i mean what kind of mother wouldn't want their son to date their bully and abuser?

[@ninjanibba4259]

She had that same energy with Carly for no reason, so why take her seriously now?

[@PhoenixRising87]

@@ninjanibba4259 On the other hand, Carly enables Sam to mistreat him, so it's not like she's any better.

[@ninjanibba4259]

@@PhoenixRising87 true but most of the hate energy was unnecessary

[@halfdemonprince]

Seddie fans bring up that the logic and dynamic behind this ship is the same as Arnold X Helga. The difference is unlike Sam, Helga didn’t assault Arnold every episode. She grabbed him by his collar and called him names, which is still bad, but compared to what Sam does to Freddie, it’s kindergarten teasing. Also unlike Sam, there were several episodes that showed why Helga is so aggressive and is in love with Arnold. Not to mention, none of Arnold’s friends ever pressured him into dating his bully. Arnold finding feelings for Helga was his choice. Freddie and Sam could’ve never been a couple in my opinion, but they could’ve had a semi-decent friendship since they had one major thing in common. They both have abusive mothers that were polar opposites. One was neglectful while the other was overbearing. Freddie could be like, “Your mom let’s you do whatever you want, and leaves you alone. I can’t step out of my bedroom without being monitored.” Then Sam could be like, “At least your mom cares about you, feeds you, knows you exist. I’ve had to learn how to make a sandwich while I was still in diapers.” Then they both realize the reason they’re good friends with Carly and hang out at her apartment all the time is because it’s the only other place besides school and the Groovy Smoothie where they can get away from their moms.

[@imacmedia9399]

Another difference is that Helga had times of showing a softer side and making an effort to be nice to people, such as when she comforted Phoebe at the end of "Preteen Scream", apologizing for blowing up at Harold in "Buses, Bikes, and Subways", wanting to make amends in "Magic Show" and many other examples. Sam rarely apologizes or tries to right her wrongs, especially in the later seasons as well as Sam & Cat.

[@Lauren_210]

Helga's backstory as to why she acts the way she did was much more believable. Her background revolving her dysfunctional family life really added to her character and she was just an overall better written character with more depth as compared to Sam and her background revolving her dysfunctional family background. Helga had an older sister in college who her parents (mostly her father) idolized to no end and Olga's accomplishments were constantly exploited in the house. Helga often felt inferior to her sister, would not receive as much attention compared to Olga, and assumed that Olga did not seem to consider or care about Helga when in reality, Olga was suffering just as much as Helga did because Olga was often pushed into being a perfectionist and it really impacted her mental health. There was one case where Olga came back home from college while on break and she broke down and had a depressive episode after receiving one "B" in a course because she was afraid that her perfectionist streak was over and her father would have been disappointed in her since she is often held on a pedestal with high expectations. Helga poked fun at her sister for making such a big deal over receiving the B, but it made sense for Helga to not really pick up and not understand the suffering her sister went through since Helga was a child who wouldn’t have taken into consideration as to how people can suffer from perfectionism and think that Olga’s life was all but wonderful and having everything you could want like good grades, college boys flaunting over her, having tons of trophies and awards, etc. Olga actually does care for Helga a lot, but Helga tends to not really see it because of the glamorization she has from their parents and thinks that Olga caring for her is fake, thus pushes Olga away from her life. Both Helga and Olga had unhealthy relationships with their parents but in very different ways.

[@PhoenixRising87]

I honestly didn't care much for Helga x Arnold either, TBH. And actually, "Helga on the Couch" made it worse; we're supposed to feel sorry for her when she treats the first person to show her any kindness like crap? Puh-lease. And it doesn't matter how old they were; it's just as bad as adults telling little girls "oh, that boy just hits you and pulls your hair because he *likes* you!" While I do have to admit that the iCarly thing is worse, I despise anything that connects affection with abuse and violence (and yes, getting in someone's face and insulting them is still abuse). Honestly, what's so bad about a character having feelings for someone and not treating them like shit? That seems reasonable to me.

[@PhoenixRising87]

@@Lauren_210 I felt for Olga, TBH. I know what it's like to have parents who seemingly praise you for your good grades and being a "gifted kid" and nothing else. My parents and I have a better relationship now, but it was hard to live up to that from grade school into my younger adult years.

[@gracekim25]

When you word it like that Sam and Freddie trying to be actual friends could have worked. Plus Sam had many chances to get therapy but never took it😅

[@TASprocudtions454]

It’s good to have you back. This was a nice surprise for sure. Glad to see you’re back at this, but don’t let anyone pressure you to pump these out. Take your time and do what you love. It’s worth the wait, and it’s even more worth it for you to be happy with what you make.

[@spidermations6495]

If the genders were reversed, people would cancel this show, also Sam is a horrible character and I think is just as bad a person as that psycho girl who appears in some episodes.

[@carsfan1995]

I was a fifteen-year-old high school freshman when these episodes came out and even I didn’t like them. Sam would still be a horrible and abusive person regardless of the gender and she would still be canceled. It’s the mindset by police and society that creates the toxic idea that men can’t be abused.

[@byronsenior6499]

@@carsfan1995 The point is she wasn't cancelled as is for doing what she's doing. So that's not true since she got a pass as a girl.

[@carsfan1995]

@@byronsenior6499 Well not in 2011(?) when this episode came out and Twitter was still new.

[@wolfworks7339]

I was 100% thinking this too. Take that first few lines of the episode, reverse the genders, and this wouldn't be allowed on network television. It's pretty fucked up.

[@daliborjovanovic510]

Indubitably. While this show abused the “double standard” trope with Sam as if the people working on this were experimenting to see just how far they could push it, said trope was obviously the reason this dreck made it onto television in the first place. And yeah, if the genders were reversed, this show wouldn’t even have been greenlit.

[@train4292]

“Am i in eternal damnation?!” Honestly, that’s a WILD way to start off a Pieguy video-

[@train4292]

Wait, i didn’t realize this was a follow up to the seddie arc. NOW the intro makes a whole lot more sense

[@owenmaki1788]

You guys wanna hear something strange? At around the time this season of the show was airing, I actually wrote my own parody of iCarly where the opening parallels what happened in this episode to a T. In my parody, Sam and Carly spend two minutes laughing at and mocking Freddie about wearing a tiki hat, him having just gotten back from a tech camp at a tropical resort (the camp aspect). Freddie then says something really mildly insulting to the girls when he tries to get them to stop [which makes the sound box to go “ooooooh” in an exaggerated way], which then provokes Sam to violently attack him (like she did to Gibby in this episode), which makes the laugh box go wild [it’s then revealed to be operated by two sadistic bullies who laugh at Freddie’s pain and call him a jerk and a loser], and she caps it off by kicking him in the balls (exactly what happened to Spencer in this episode, only difference being it was on purpose in my parody). Later on at school, Freddie approaches Sam and Carly with crutches, casts all over his body, and a pelvic wrap, having just gotten back from the hospital from Sam beating him up (like what happened to Gibby here). The scary thing about all of this? I had never even seen this episode when I wrote this parody. I was just going for an exaggerated version of the things I hated about the show. All this episode needed was Spencer complaining about Sam kicking him in the “nubs” and it would basically my iCarly parody.

[@eryuu4016]

That's kinda scary...

[@daliborjovanovic510]

I don't think that's concidence. That's just Sam Puckett as a character XD

[@MarkZschiegnerII]

Wow, this really is the worst episode of iCarly ever.

[@srrenityy8083]

Nah, it was adorable.

[@gracekim25]

@@srrenityy8083 go to hospital, you are not well!!!

[@gracekim25]

Yeah one of the worst!

[@musiclover6944]

The Fred episode is a lil worse

[@dmancluster2631]

I’m so sorry to hear you were in an abusive relationship, especially whie trying to review something for a few people on the internet that glorified what you were going through. I am so glad you’re better now, and hope that your life can only improve from her. Your description of the episode makes me think that one or more of the writers were abusers themselves, and used episodes like these to justify and glorify their own behavior. Considering how problematic many of these writers can get in regards to women, (and other creepy behavior from men like Schneider himself) it would not surprise me that this would happen behind the scenes On a lighter note, looking forward to what you do with the rest of the Bottom of the Bakery, Pieguy. Especially hoping that it’s fun for you as fun as it is for us to watch

[@michaelfragoso6572]

Creddie was more healthy but bitter sweet and in the episode isavedyourlife I think Sam was jealous about creddie and got Freddie to break up Carly in the first place

[@hassanalkhalaf1115]

Creddie wasn't really healthy. Carly is still toxic for him even though she doesn't phyiscally abuse him. But she supports Sams abuse

[@srrenityy8083]

it was stable as there was a whole arc on seddie while creddie had 1 pointless episode of carly liking freddie for what he did, which in my opinion was very stupid on carlys side because in order to be in love with someone, you need to be IN LOVE. which in that case sam and freddie comes in. carly only liked freddie for what he did, sam was still supporting freddie with what he was doing no matter what when they were dating. there was no reason for them to break up as there is many other couples in the world that probably don’t share the same interests either. in iLove You, they said directly that they love each other and kissed when after they said it was over. They even changed the initial break-up to midnight meaning they probably didn’t want to break up that fast and continued kissing each other in the elevator while the relationship was still going. Now I never saw any of that in Creddie. again, sam would be bothered sooner or later if carly and freddie dated. if sam and freddie’s relationship was that toxic, i wouldnt think it would last and there wouldn’t be 3 episodes of them dating. but instead there was a whole arc but i never saw an arc of creddie. additionally, sam locked herself up into the mental institution because she THOUGHT she was crazy for liking freddie. they’ve spent years of the act of hating each other, so it’s obvious sam will do something like that. yes i do agree that sam could’ve treated freddie better friendship wise, but relationship wise seddie wins. i can guarantee you that sams bullying is probably just an act towards freddie to hide feelings and i have proof to support that. 1. in iMake Sam Girlier, carly used freddie as an example to when sam has a crush on someone, sam said “How can I PRETEND to have a crush on Freddie if I’m looking at his face?” see the word play of pretend? she can’t pretend she has a crush on freddie if she already has one. 2. In iDon’t Want To Fight, at the beginning of the show, freddie said: “You know, they say when a girl constantly rips on a guy, it really just means she has a crush on him”, although sam did insult freddie in that manner, she said “YEAH, but i wasn’t ripping on a guy, I was ripping on you”. meaning she agreed and literally just exposed herself saying that she did have a crush on him. Sam also got a little jealous in iFight Shelby Marx when Freddie had a crush on Shelby. and i can go on and on but i don’t want to expand this message even though it is enough. OH, and if seddie was THAT toxic, they wouldn’t decide to do their first kiss together. keep in mind that they wanted to do it, it wasn’t forced. so again, friendship wise sam may need to improve (but a theory is that she is bullying freddie for hiding her feelings or just as an instinct of hers since she is a total tomboy) but relationship wise, seddie is superior. carly and freddie were never made for each other since day 1.

[@cartooncottage2024]

You hit the nail on the head about what I never liked about this episode or their friendship dynamic. This is why I never shipped Sadie. It was toxic and Sam was mostly the problem with it. Carly didn't deserve Freddie, either. She never defended him and she mostly used him.

[@godzillakingofkaiju6366]

It baffles me how Nick allowed this abusive relationship to air. I know they have no morals but they couldn’t even pretend to care and not have this abusive relationship air or even get past the censors

[@blessiemasancay4818]

I'd personally say the same for Beck and Jade.

[@Slick5150]

They allowed it because in real life people think it's funny when women hit men But flipping around this show would have been yanked

[@daliborjovanovic510]

"Horrible character abuse equals instant comedy" is pretty much Nick’s M.O these days and it’s been present in all their flagship shows for a long time (pretty much since 2005) and the few shows on their network that were made by real talent who understood good comedy and characterization quickly got canceled. As far as the Nick bigwigs are concerned, this trope equals the most views, and views equal more money.

[@thedesensitizedsympathizer5307]

@@daliborjovanovic510 I feel betrayed that I grew up watching shows that had that gimmick in mind. Now i'm afraid to date anyone in real life.

[@daliborjovanovic510]

@@thedesensitizedsympathizer5307 Look on the bright side. If you consider dating someone, just ask yourself "Does this person share any traits with Sam Puckett or any of those other Nick characters guilty of domestic abuse"? If the answer is "yes", you'll know to run away XD

[@skibot9974]

The revival makes it worse by establishing Freddie had multiple failed marriages. I don’t be surprised if his relationship with Sam permently screwed up his mind

[@damiondunn4663]

They write relationships bad on purpose now because all of them are miserable so the characters need to be the same way

[@EmmyJoy]

This whole thing ruined basically every character but Freddie's mother....😟 Its truly awful.

[@ChikoCheez]

This reminds of that Family Guy episode where after Meg stands up to her family after so much torment, it ends with her being talked back into the abusive family and it's seen as a positive thing. Not exactly a comparison I want to make here

[@spongebobplushiestuff8612]

You could've used the episode after that, screams of silence, that's a better comparison

[@PhoenixRising87]

I hate that episode even more after I was gaslighted into apologizing for writing about the years of emotional abuse I dealt with at the hands of my father. I've been able to forgive them since moving out for good, but...it's still fucked up.

[@byronsenior6499]

@@spongebobplushiestuff8612 They literally only did that because everyone was so mad about the message of the prior Meg episode.

[@hassanalkhalaf1115]

I hated this episode because I tried to escape my abusive family as well but I was guilt tripped to go back. I was 14 and easy to manipulate

[@byronsenior6499]

@@hassanalkhalaf1115 Yeah these kinds of episodes are bad for that reason. Sorry to hear that, I hope you're doing better now.

[@andrewgomez9758]

I get the feeling if Freddie and Sam didn’t date, and Sam didn’t mess up his NERD Camp application, Freddie wouldn’t have had 2 divorces and a failed startup company they mentioned in the revival

[@SaanWukong]

Freddie truly is a tragic character his suffering isn't put over a laugh track

[@eryuu4016]

Oh...Oh *hell* that makes sense!!

[@srrenityy8083]

Yeah, I agree it was very bad for Sam to mess it up just because he didn’t know the time. However, I’m glad Freddie forgave her.

[@eryuu4016]

@@srrenityy8083 I'm not. She was toxic as all hell.

[@srrenityy8083]

@@eryuu4016 Never asked for your opinion. That’s her character development, miss ma’am. They had a healthy relationship, and plus the NERD situation happened before they were dating. Rewatch the show. 😐

[@johnrainsman6650]

Three things: yeah, why _did_ Freddie edit out Carly. He's usually much more reasonable than that. He's one of the few people on iCarly who's not out of his mind (despite being *_Marissa Benson's_* son). Two, I know Sam is insane, aggressive, and ridiculously short-tempered, but still, why be mad at Freddie for saying "I don't know" about the time? That's not enough to sabotage his application. And...let's *_not_* go with an answer like "Well, this is Sam we're talking about." I'm aware of that. I still want to know more about her annoyance and motive. We all have ultimate motives to do the things we do, even if they are wrong. Three, correct me if I'm wrong, but technically, Gibby was trying to get Freddie to be Sam's victim again. That was pretty selfish, especially since they're friends. Besides, it totally would've defeated the purpose anyway. I think, Sam would've been so mad at Gibby for ruining their relationship, she would take it out on him--even worse. Be mean to Freddie again just because they're no longer dating? Nope. Be meanER to Gibby for _causing_ their relationship's demise. Yup, makes more sense to me.

[@haileygrimmius9451]

The time thing makes zero sense. She used to have absolute reasoning for doing shitty things to Freddie, not that the abuse towards him was reasonable. Like when she told the internet he had never kissed anyone, he had handcuffed her to Gibby. She always went at Freddie for a reason.

[@byronsenior6499]

@@haileygrimmius9451 Not always.

[@hassanalkhalaf1115]

@@byronsenior6499 exactly she did it multiple times without any reasons. One time she kicked an apple at his eye because he asked for a snack

[@byronsenior6499]

@@hassanalkhalaf1115 Yup that was the one I was like WTF? That's not funny that's just cruel. And the one I was thinking of.

[@hassanalkhalaf1115]

@@byronsenior6499 I had a girl in primary school who was picking on me like Sam was with Freddie and this scene reminded me of it

[@thatoneguy609]

Why would Sam and Freddie assume that Carly was the one who told Mrs. Benson? Did they just happen to forget that Carly was the one who strongly encouraged them to get together in the first place, and then spent ages making herself miserable being their unpaid couples counselor? She did this for no other reason than that she’s invested in them being “happy” to an irrational degree, and they think she tried to split them up because she’s _jealous_ of them? This episode is even more baffling than I remembered.

[@MegaSoulHero]

I find it hard to believe that there are actual people who ship Seddie.

[@diamondminer5459]

Rather than assuming that Seddie fans are people who glorify abuse, I think their idea was that Seddie would be a thing after the two had worked out old differences and were actually GOOD FRIENDS. But the arc didn’t do that, they just jumped into the relationship without any preparation. Remember, iStart a Fan War wasn’t making fun of general shippers, so you have no right to either or else you’ve missed the point.

[@elsie8757]

Not after _this_ arc, there weren't

[@gracekim25]

@@diamondminer5459 please shut up!

[@gracekim25]

@@diamondminer5459 your ‘argument’ doesn’t work here!!!! STUPID

[@srrenityy8083]

Aint it crazy that people ship Creddie? Plus, Seddie shippers HAVE OPINIONS. You can’t change it.

[@tinx713]

Now I know why I hate it when people on the internet ship two characters together who clearly don't get along and hate eachother. I just don't understand why people think two characters who argue, bicker and abuse one another is cute and flirty. Sam and Freddie were characters in the show who just straight up hated eachother, Sam physically bullied Freddie every single episode, yet people somehow saw that as a cute ship. I'm actually glad the show made Seddie happen for a short amount of time, and showed how shipping two toxic people together just doesn't work.

[@doraeguyakaneddie6586]

Cough cough Bakudeku Cough Cough

[@tinx713]

@@doraeguyakaneddie6586 exactly what I'm referring to, yes

[@Xehanort10]

Yeah I hate it when shippers pair characters who hate each other and abuse and try to kill each other. Stupid excuses like "You just don't understand. They love each other in a different way to most people" are used when you call it out. Even though people who treat each other like shit, constantly argue and hit each other are not in love.

[@srrenityy8083]

Well, us seddie shippers have opinions too. You can’t judge it nor change it. Us seddie shippers are sensible and do know what’s romantical and what’s not.

[@srrenityy8083]

@@Xehanort10 it was stable as there was a whole arc on seddie while creddie had 1 pointless episode of carly liking freddie for what he did, which in my opinion was very stupid on carlys side because in order to be in love with someone, you need to be IN LOVE. which in that case sam and freddie comes in. carly only liked freddie for what he did, sam was still supporting freddie with what he was doing no matter what when they were dating. there was no reason for them to break up as there is many other couples in the world that probably don’t share the same interests either. in iLove You, they said directly that they love each other and kissed when after they said it was over. They even changed the initial break-up to midnight meaning they probably didn’t want to break up that fast and continued kissing each other in the elevator while the relationship was still going. Now I never saw any of that in Creddie. again, sam would be bothered sooner or later if carly and freddie dated. if sam and freddie’s relationship was that toxic, i wouldnt think it would last and there wouldn’t be 3 episodes of them dating. but instead there was a whole arc but i never saw an arc of creddie. additionally, sam locked herself up into the mental institution because she THOUGHT she was crazy for liking freddie. they’ve spent years of the act of hating each other, so it’s obvious sam will do something like that. yes i do agree that sam could’ve treated freddie better friendship wise, but relationship wise seddie wins. i can guarantee you that sams bullying is probably just an act towards freddie to hide feelings and i have proof to support that. 1. in iMake Sam Girlier, carly used freddie as an example to when sam has a crush on someone, sam said “How can I PRETEND to have a crush on Freddie if I’m looking at his face?” see the word play of pretend? she can’t pretend she has a crush on freddie if she already has one. 2. In iDon’t Want To Fight, at the beginning of the show, freddie said: “You know, they say when a girl constantly rips on a guy, it really just means she has a crush on him”, although sam did insult freddie in that manner, she said “YEAH, but i wasn’t ripping on a guy, I was ripping on you”. meaning she agreed and literally just exposed herself saying that she did have a crush on him. Sam also got a little jealous in iFight Shelby Marx when Freddie had a crush on Shelby. and i can go on and on but i don’t want to expand this message even though it is enough. OH, and if seddie was THAT toxic, they wouldn’t decide to do their first kiss together. keep in mind that they wanted to do it, it wasn’t forced. so again, friendship wise sam may need to improve (but a theory is that she is bullying freddie for hiding her feelings or just as an instinct of hers since she is a total tomboy) but relationship wise, seddie is superior. carly and freddie were never made for each other since day 1.

[@cartooncottage2024]

Carly was just a bad friend to Freddie overall here. Rarely did she ever stick up for him when it mattered. Like iCarly really said abuse=love. Also, so sorry about you going through an abusive relationship. You deserve better.

[@williebelcher9303]

Not to mention she kinda shadow and never really gave freddie a chance

[@carsfan1995]

@@williebelcher9303 She doesn’t need to be attracted to Freddie. She doesn’t owe him a romance

[@gracekim25]

@@williebelcher9303 mate. Did you really just say that? You really suck you know that?😑

[@gracekim25]

@@williebelcher9303 she never saw him that way and didn’t own him anything

[@Xehanort10]

At least Megan in Drake and Josh was shown to be horrible. Carly's an awful person treated as some saint.

[@toby718]

this is probably the one episode in the entire series where i was on mrs benson’s side the entire time. i hate how she was portrayed as the antagonist in this episode where she was probably the only one who was right

[@Lauren_210]

I agree. Given Sam’s background as a juvenile and is violent, I’d worry and do anything to help my teenage son get out of an abusive relationship he is in!

[@Vampire_Logic]

I honestly shipped both Creddie, and Seddie as a kid. When Sam and Freddie started dating I was happy...but then Sam started acting insane so...I wasn't happy anymore. You shouldn't cause intentional physical harm to someone you claim to like or love. You especially shouldn't cause intentional physical harm to someone who has literally done nothing to deserve that harm.

[@gracekim25]

Thank you for being sane😭 I’m so glad not all shippers are insane, there should be more people like you

[@evanwantsyoutogrow107]

14:30 Freddie was obviously held at gunpoint when he wrote that blog.

[@srrenityy8083]

no common sense these days

[@Xehanort10]

"Compliment me Freddie or I'll pull the trigger."

[@srrenityy8083]

@@Xehanort10 you’re being a literal clown rn

[@JarfTaco]

Butter sock point*

[@srrenityy8083]

@@JarfTaco no

[@BlythePennyBicycle21]

Wow, that ending was quite intense. At least things turned out better for you.

[@Xehanort10]

At least Nevel was shown to be the little creep he was and Nora was acknowledged as crazy. Sam was a psycho who was portrayed as just a good girl with a temper.

[@someirrelevant]

Wow, revisiting this as an adult, I can’t believe they thought doing something like this in a kids’ show was okay. As someone who watched this as a kid, I was very uncomfortable with this episode and arc in general because I knew that they were glorifying abusive relationships and I had to grow up watching one of my parents emotionally abusing the other. Seeing it again as an adult with more perspective is even worse. I can’t speak for other kids who watched this, especially ones who didn’t grow up in abusive households, but I’m pretty confident I’m not the only one who felt this way. But anyway, this video was awesome and I’m so sorry to hear about what happened, I’m glad you’re out of that situation.

[@anothergamer112]

Honestly, considering everything up to this point, in retrospect, this should've been the episode Sam gets kicked off the show entirely. After the application fiasco, Freddie should've not forgiven her, and she should've doubled down when Carly was all like "she does shit to me too." Freddie could've said something like "then we both have a reason to dump her." And Freddie leaves, and Carly, after reflecting, thinks he's right and Sam is kicked out of her life too. Silver lining, Jeanette McCurdy would be free of such a horrible role she hates so much.

[@moneyselfieideaskill1665]

Z101 got better episode

[@Nellipusen]

I recently binged the entire show, and another part that was absolutely disgusting is how it kept playing the sexual assault of men for laughs. The absolute worst instance of this is in iStill Psycho, where Nora (after kidnapping everyone again) holds Freddie down with force and kisses him against his will (he is even physically struggling the entire time trying to push her off) and Carly and Sam just stand there watching while eating cake. When she finally lets him go, and he confronts Sam and Carly about not helping him (clearly very upset about what happened, because you know... HE WAS LITERALLY JUST ASSAULTED AND HIS FRIENDS DID NOTHING TO HELP HIM), they just answer with "it's good cake"

[@Lauren_210]

Yeah that definitely does not age well and such a double standard whenever it comes to assault and abuse happening to men treated as a joke or “humorous” whenever the women do it to them. If men assault women, it’s played for drama and taken seriously yet (i.e., Twilight: Eclipse, Sex Education, etc.) when it’s the other way around, it’s not taken as seriously, which is messed up. They even had the same issue earlier in the show with iPie when Trudy was forcing a kiss from Spencer and Spencer was clearly not wanting her to kiss him yet his sexual assault is played for laughs. 😕

[@SarimFaruque]

@@Lauren_210 Yeah but at the same time it isn’t always the case. 16 Candles and Revenge of the Nerd treats assault against women as a joke. Also they lampshade James Bond’s character so that it appears romantic. This is one of the reasons why I stay away from that "genders are swapped" belief.

[@Xehanort10]

Another bad Sam moment was when she beat up Freddie for not liking the Fred videos because even though in real life people found the Fred character annoying with even Lucas Cruiksank regretting creating him but for some reason ICarly portrayed his videos as great with everyone loving them and Carly stupidly saying having loads of views made them good.

[@hassanalkhalaf1115]

What made it worse is that Carly asked Sam to do this and even supported the beating but she still has the audacity to act like she is neutral and a good friend of Freddie

[@zvgamingandstuff7633]

Ah yes, an algorithm forced a terrible video in everyone's faces, meaning its good? Then Troom Troom and Ryan's toy reviews are some of the finest forms of art, apparently.

[@gracekim25]

Yeah….I still feel bad for laughing 😣 and I remember thinking Fred and Lucas were just characters from ICarly😅

[@Pikaweedle]

I’m sorry you were in a abusive relationship

[@entertainer_ev2747]

I wonder if it was his ex Erin from his older videos then if it is then she can genuinely go screw herself

[@Pikaweedle]

Entertainer Ev He said in early 2018 that he has a new girlfriend

[@entertainer_ev2747]

@@Pikaweedle good for him

[@Pikaweedle]

Entertainer Ev so it wasn’t Erin

[@jaycrews3707]

@@entertainer_ev2747 he said it wasn't her

[@KnapfordMaster98]

Former Seddie shipper here (what a phrase, yikes). Gonna be real, Freddie was relatable and Sam was hot. That's it, it was that shallow. In retrospect, I really think they could've done something had they developed the sensitive side of Sam and given her actual character development, but status quo rules as always... So sorry to hear what you've been through, no one deserves that crap. I've come to mostly hate iCarly for all the extremely toxic things it promoted to young growing minds.

[@JasontheCartoonFan]

Well, your comment is making me want to tell a story of my own: back when she was just a mere strong underachieving tomboy (you know, when iCarly was good), I had a MAJOR crush on Sam (I was seven when I started watching the show regularly in 2009). Sure, she had hints of aggression even back then, but I admired for the fact that she was the first female character I saw on TV that didn’t act “girly”. After years of being bombarded with children’s shows featuring female characters around my age or slightly older than me obsessed with pink, boy bands, and makeup, it was refreshing to see one who was “one of the boys”. My heart broke as soon as I saw the Seddie arc. I was thinking, “Sam has never been an angel, but she was also never THIS abrasive.” Keep in mind that I was only 10 at the time, so imagine a sense of innocent, sinless admiration just knocked right out of me, like something you would see in a cartoon. If I ever get to meet Jenette McCurdy in person, I’m gonna ask her if it’s okay to give her a hug. Seeing the flanderization her character went through was extremely depressing, which is why I’m fine with Sam not returning for the revival.

[@Frightmarelordofthenightmares]

You know theres something wrong when even the actor/actress doesn't like their Character.

[@nolife6013]

This is like that awful Family Guy episode also about abusive relationships. Either be more respectful when tackling an issue like this or don't address it at all and don't encourage this disgusting behavior.

[@arthurmaryanosouza5915]

There's a lot of people who says that seddie is a nice couple and perfect. This is unbelievable

[@MegaSoulHero]

Even Nathan Kress ships Seddie.

[@Pundit07]

@@MegaSoulHero Wait, really? I know I remember hearing that he actually hated it

[@MegaSoulHero]

@@Pundit07 He revealed it in an interview about the iCarly reboot.

[@srrenityy8083]

@@Pundit07 No, he never said that he hated it. He first said that they were better off being just friends. Then in the Paramount+ revival and reunion clip, he said he preferred Seddie over Creddie.

[@srrenityy8083]

@@MegaSoulHero Amazing!

[@jazzyolivervo]

Jesus...this was....hard to hear about. I never watched this episode, but I was also a victim of an abusive relationship and a lot of what happened felt...way too familiar. And it pisses me off the show was trying to push this mindset of "Oh, they might be abusive, but when you get past that, they're absolutely wonderful!" Because that was the EXACT mindset I had that prevented me from recognizing my situation and getting help when I really needed it. And yes, mine was both emotionally and physically abusive. I'm sorry to hear you went through a similar situation. I'm glad to hear you're better now and I hope you have the support that we honestly all need when going through something like this.

[@screwtheuniverse3162]

Honestly, this episode makes me even more upset after watching the reboot. Sam really did steal an opportunity for a good future for Freddie by changing those answers. He could’ve gotten into a prestigious college with a good career instead of moping about a failed startup. This relationship was toxic and even kid me knew this. This whole story arc was not ok and the fact that it even has long lasting repercussions pisses me off.

[@islesofforeignrails7917]

Yeesh, probably another reason why i started to stop watching S4-5 because of this arc. I really feel bad for Jeanette playing her character like this and acting like an abusive psycho girlfriend. Oof, you were in a abusive relationship too, AJ? Huh, i feel sorry for you. No wonder you haven't uploaded this episode in four years. Well, good luck on the final Seddie arc episode that hopefully finishes the despicable, unnatural and insulting trilogy range of four romance stories.

[@amberwingtundrawing776]

The worst thing about iCarly in retrospect is the characters personalities never grow(besides maybe Gibby getting fleshed out). Sam is still violent as ever for almost no reason, Carly instigates whatever Sam does regardless of how horrible it is, and Freddie standing up for himself is always treated like a joke. If this show had good writers, the characters would've matured and grown up, Seddie couldve had potential with a more mature Sam and Freddie or even help develop their characters further. Instead all we have is an annoying power imbalance that's supposed to be funny

[@diamondminer5459]

Sam was always a hard character to handle. She had her good moments, but she was always prone to being flanderized. I don’t hate her overall, but sometimes she made me uncomfortable. Overall, the show was inconsistent but good. This arc still sucked.

[@alexwallar8608]

When you really think about it, none of Dan Schneider characters are three dimensional

[@gracekim25]

@@diamondminer5459 at least you admit it. Now stop repeating about SEDDIE please

[@Xehanort10]

Looking back Carly is what Drake and Josh's Megan would be if she was portrayed as the perfect saint her parents saw her as.

[@daliborjovanovic510]

And you do realize this was a show directed by Dan Schneider and produced by Nickelodeon XD The stuff you mentioned belongs over at Disney or something.

[@anothergamer112]

Apparently, Dan Schneider took to social media to vent on how much he actively disliked the shipping aspect of iCarly's popularity. With that in mind, it's almost guaranteed the shipping focused episodes were made in direct response to try to discourage it. iSaved Your Life was likely to say Creddie can only work as a fantasy and was unrealistic. The whole Seddie arc was definitely made to show how it would be 100% toxic and unsustainable.

[@8nicopink868]

I hate to imagine that this show has influenced the kids that watched it that abuse is not only okay, but romantic and cute. To this day there are still shippers like the OG Seddie shippers encouraging more toxic relationships in their favorite shows. I find it so disgusting, especially given that my mom is also an abuse survivor. I'm very sorry you went through that abusive relationship, PieGuy. I hope that the media and society finally step up and teach women not to abuse men as well, to have less relationships like the one you sadly had to go through, and less 'romantic' relationships like Seddie being excused and encouraged.

[@diamondminer5459]

- Rather than assuming that Seddie fans are people who glorify abuse, I think their idea was that Seddie would be a thing after the two had worked out old differences and were actually GOOD FRIENDS. But the arc didn’t do that, they just jumped into the relationship without any preparation. Remember, iStart a Fan War wasn’t making fun of general shippers, so you have no right to either or else you’ve missed the point.

[@diamondminer5459]

I don’t believe that this episode or show influenced kids to tolerate abuse. Remember that this episode is only a symptom of a larger issue.

[@gracekim25]

Well it didn’t affect me much…I didn’t really notice it was a ‘romance’ thing but yeah there is that factor that a lot of people view abuse as ROMANTIC

[@gracekim25]

@@diamondminer5459 shut up

[@gracekim25]

@@diamondminer5459 SHUT UP!!! Your pointless repetition is meaningless!!!

[@maddiehalloway]

I really hate how media sugar coats abusive relationships. As someone who was in one as well (the first time he hit me was the last time), let me tell you it’s not pretty. Especially when everyone around you can see it’s wrong but you simply can’t. I’m happy to know you got out of that relationship and I hope you’re doing better :)

[@Lauren_210]

I think it’s more of media sugarcoating assault and abusive relationships whenever it involves women abusing men. Whenever it’s men abusing women, it’s played for drama and taken seriously but whenever it’s the other way around, it’s usually treated as a joke or “humorous,” which is very messed up and such a double standard. Even to a lesser degree, you don’t tend to really see abusive relationships in LGTBQ+ relationships whether it is men-on-men abuse or women-on-women abuse, so people tend to just assume it’s mainly between men and women, which is not true.

[@nicholassims9837]

@@Lauren_210 what if both partners are abusive to each other as thers no real innocent victime

[@srrenityy8083]

Seddiers know what’s romantical and what’s not. Seddie definitely is love.

[@maddiehalloway]

@@Lauren_210 EXACTLY THAT! Pop Culture Detective has two whole videos talking about how media uses abuse, assault and harassment towards men for laughs (one video addressing when it’s perpetrated by other men and the other one is about women as perpetrators). I can’t recommend it enough.

[@GrievousFrom]

And when the world needed him most, he returned *ATLA intro music plays*

[@nicoletravis8702]

I honestly can't blame Mrs Benson for wanting to break up Sam and Freddie and the fact that Carly didn't cared that Sam ruined his camp application makes it very frustrating.

[@jamescadet4450]

If I was Freddie I would’ve cut ties with both Sam and Carly, let the Camp know his application was sabotaged and hope they let me resubmit and then let the icarly fans know I won’t associate with Carly or Sam and explain everything so they know what the type of people they are and just live my life.

[@nicoletravis8702]

@@jamescadet4450 As a creddie shipper carly could've done better to stand up to Sam and tell her that doing this isn't okay like she did in IKiss when Sam told the whole world that Freddie never kissed a girl

[@DarthJoshReturns]

I know the reboot said that Sam was in a biker gang, but let's be honest here: she's probably in prison because she beat somebody who accidentally bumped into her on the sidewalk to death.

[@HighLifeProds17]

I laughed at that at first, but then I realized that that would be terrifyingly in line with her character...for her entire history.

[@supersonicstyleatsonicspeed]

As a Computer Science student, I genuinely loathe Sam's actions with the application. IN STORY and IN STORY ONLY, I genuinely want her to get hit by a truck and not recover. YOU! JUST! DON'T! DO! THAT! Especially to aspiring Software Engineers.

[@QuasarYGO]

I wonder if a certain revival brought back PieGuyRulz.

[@Duskool]

I'm like 5 minutes in, and after hearing the "she has to be mean to someone" makes me wonder why people liked Sam in the first place, i never really liked her to begin with and it's really annoying that this show likes to say that being weird is ok, but only when you're doing it for a show and not irl because sam still gets the chance to bully people for being weird, except when she does it it's funny...

[@Lauren_210]

This is why I don't really understand why people already started to dislike Millicent in the revival yet most of the audience who watched the first show apparently loved Sam and were so stuck in denial in regards to the fact that she would not be returning back even though it was said multiple times that the character wouldn't come back.

[@skylerloggins4902]

@@Lauren_210 I agree with 100% I never got why people hate Millicent so much yet they like Sam a person who bullied Freddie, Gibby, anyone who wasn't Carly or Spencer was awful to watch.

[@Barnowl65]

Sam was easily my least favorite character in the show. Not only is she abusive, but she's SOO self-entitled! I can see why Jeanett McCurdy hated her character.

[@skibot9974]

In the first season or two she was just a troublemaker around season 3 she became a sociopath

[@dunkanbulk14]

someone should give sam the "redo of healer" treatment, oh, Keyaru, i've got a job for you!

[@jaycrews3707]

I wish they would have focused more on Carly and Sam's friendship cause that's the only reason I like her she is a very loyal and cool person to hang around but episodes like this makes me really not like her character cause she is so unstable and than it also puts a hole in Carly's characters cause she does not do anything to stop this behavior at all.

[@DavidRagan3134]

Pieguy bringing back Bottom of the Bakery today, and Mr. Enter's top 10 worst Spongebob episodes tomorrow...what a nostalgia trip.

[@spongebobplushiestuff8612]

Really?

[@DavidRagan3134]

@@spongebobplushiestuff8612 Yes, Enter quietly posted a trailer on his 2nd channel.

[@SaanWukong]

I think what makes it worse is that Freddie never recovered (if what I heard from the revival is true) from his childhood abuse. Because of her, he never got into that great college and thus, not getting the experience needed to run a company and thus it failed and due to his most, if not only female interactions he had were Carly and Sam, two completely abusive woman who did nothing but take advantage of him, he wasn't able to form a legit romantic relationship and now has two divorces. Not to mention since when he wasn't with them, he was either studying or with his over protective mom so he barely got experience nor social interaction every teenager and young man needs to learn. This shit is completely fucked and this is supposed to be FUNNY?!!! I hope my man Fredo gets a happy ending in the end...

[@MAGAWITCH1990]

This arc is a prime example of how society views male victims of abuse, we aren't taken with the same veracity and seriousness as female victims.

[@OzCroc]

That's what happens when men try to act tough and pretend like nothing phases them. They get their just desserts.

[@hellonurd8957]

Y'know an episode is bad when Ms. Benson is the voice of reason. Especially given how much she vocally hates Carly & Spencer.

[@ninjanibba4259]

When has she ever said she hates Spencer?

[@hellonurd8957]

@@ninjanibba4259 She hasn't , but I mean given how aloof he is and uptight she is... It wouldn't shock me.

[@about_to_leave_earth]

The only bright sides to these episodes are the scenes with Spencer. He was really carried the whole show

[@mirandamartin4001]

I’m sorry to hear you were in a abusive relationship, I pray for more healing for you and things continue to be better

[@toonzach2870]

I had thought you didn't wanna make this because of the Schneider allegations. Glad to see you're back to doing it! Hope you're feeling better now.

[@CosmicMetalMan]

It’s funny. I stopped watching this show right after the first episode of the seddie Ark and didn’t know how it ended. I thought Sam kissing Freddie would be a twist that would lead to Sam changing and becoming a better person, like a proper ark would do. But to hear how this ark goes for the absolute worst of ideas makes me so angry when you have the opportunity to give something meaningful. I would’ve rather like it if the ark ended with Sam accepting that she needs help and gets better with Carly and Freddie in support. Then she can get together with Freddie and everything works out for the better for the rest of the show.

[@TheTakeuchi15]

Episodes like this is why I'm actually glad Sam isn't in the revival.

[@ZbJeeBies]

this. THIS is the worst episode of this goddawful arc imo,,, it could even be the worst ep of icarly _period._ the writing was all over the fuckin place as well as sam and freddie being obnoxious as ever...and sam having to use gibby as her voodoo doll since her regular punching bag is out of commission, oh no :( i'd have to say that mrs benson is my actual favorite part of the ep, having a normal reaction to this ship (well...normal for her anyways). however as soon as the college application thing gets brought up i get nauseous, i have to change the channel. i can't believe someone, ANYONE, would willingly stay w someone who would jeopardize their future over the stupidest shit, it's disgusting. and to have a cherry on top of the shit sundae, gibby suddenly loses a screw and _defends the relationship that's hospitalized him._ you can't make this up, this is so stupid oh my god- 🤦🏾‍♀️

[@BlythePennyBicycle21]

Welcome back PieGuyRulz.

[@B3fromYT]

Yup, welcome back. I never thought he make a new episode though

[@scrappycd9764]

I’ll admit when the show first came out and iKiss happened, I thought they could be cute.. ya know.. if Sam got away from her abusive home life and got therapy and decided to be a better human being towards her friends and love interest. But they really didn’t want to fix any of the character flaws or tell a nuanced story at all X(

[@scrappycd9764]

Also I’m very sorry about your ex, I know you said you’re better now and I’m happy for you but it sucks that it happened to you at all. I was abused by my parents so I know how hard it is to watch shows making a “comedy” of abuse

[@baryardeni9731]

I… don’t know what should shock me more, what I just heard from this review or the fact that you remained in that oven for YEARS… You know what? I’ll just say this: When I first heard that iCarly is getting rebooted, but without Sam, since Jennette McCurdy had cut her acting career, I was pretty disappointed. However, while I do think it’s a shame that she wasn’t feeling satisfied with her roles, I can kinda understand her now. After hearing about this episode, I think it’s for the best that Sam isn’t returning. Not exactly sure why Gibby was scrapped as well, but I’m sure they’ll touch upon it too. P.S I’m so sorry to hear what you’ve went through by making this review. I seriously hope you are okay now. In such situations, it is important that you won’t keep such things by your own and speak to your closest people. I really hope that you did eventually get the help that you need to deal with what happened, and hope you’ll remain strong. Stay safe, buddy, you’re not alone. :)

[@highfivers5062]

You know, in the iOMG video, you said this arc happened because either to make the fans happy, or because they knew they'd get hella views. Most people will think it's the second one, but allow me to add a third option, they made it happen, and in the manner that they did, to show everyone why Sam and Freddie being in a relationship is an AWFUL, AWFUL idea.

[@JarfTaco]

Maybe the writers did this just to stick it to the shippers that they knew wouldn’t listen to iStart a Fan War, so they could be like “See, we told you this show shouldn’t be about shipping!” But if that was the case, why were they still teasing ships later in the series after they broke up? Yeah, this makes no sense even from a trolling perspective.

[@nicoletravis8702]

being a anti seddie person myself it irritated me that sam and freddie didn't break up in this episode right then and there. what sam did to freddie's application is unforgivable

[@jinoratheairnomad9777]

I find it funny to think that Pieguy had to progressively make that cake more deformed as he was filming the video.

[@factfiend1000]

This is the narrative in a lot of media. No matter what, you have to put with a your toxic girlfriend's/wife's garbage because you are so lucky to have her. The Big Bang Theory was bad at relationships. Leonard and Penny was probably the most toxic when you examine it. It was admitted outright that she was worn down by Leonard and that she settled. Howard and Bernadette had many problems, not least of which being when she wanted Howard to sign a prenup. He refused initially and then was told by Penny to sign whatever she gave him, because he was so lucky to have her. The worst was probably Priya, she was hiding their relationship from her parents and even had the gall to order Leonard not to see Penny again. Even though Penny hangs out in their larger social circle which included her own brother. It would have made more sense to say, "Don't hang out with Penny alone." This makes sense, because everybody has the right to feel safe and comfortable in a relationship. This trend continues throughout so many shows, no matter how nasty the woman is, the guy stick it out because, once again, he is so lucky to have her. No wonder so many men aren't dating and getting married anymore. The dominant narrative has destroyed any idea of a healthy relationship. It's just sad. The earlier point about TBBT is not to say that only the women had toxic elements; the guys had many toxic elements in their personalities too.

[@hassanalkhalaf1115]

Thanks for talking about this. TBBT in general is sexist misogynistic and a glorification of abuse. Another shitty candidate for all this is HIMYM

[@factfiend1000]

@@hassanalkhalaf1115 It was also great at insulting nerds and nerd culture in general. Endless references for the sake of a reference, the denigration of comic books as nothing but picture books designed for 12 year olds etc. Another network that is bad at showing relationships is Hallmark. The endless stream of nonsense like: a relationship is based on feelings and "I'm going to break up with my boyfriend of six years because of some guy I met a day ago, because he can make me laugh." Hot garbage all around. The misandry is also palpable. There was a movie called "How to Train your Husband." If that was switched, Oh my Lord.

[@thomasraines1396]

@@factfiend1000 they also got some of the references flat out wrong, they mention Darth Vader being the one to build the Death Star when he wasn’t involved in it at all. It’s extremely minor compared to all of the actual toxic things yes but it just comes off as utterly lazy and not really caring.

[@alexanderklepp]

Nice to see the Bakery back. Yeah, when I first saw the episode I couldn’t believe that the reason why Sam ruined Freddie’s test was all because of one minor thing. That really solidified to me that the show really didn’t do a good job with Seddie. I mean the other episodes were also not that good but that just proved it even more. Edit: I just realized that there is a bit of continuity since you mentioned in the last review that you should grow hands next time and you did. That was a nice touch on your part.

[@srrenityy8083]

The nerd situation happened before they were dating.

[@TheRManProds]

Even when They break up, Sam continues to be Mean and Harass Freddie for No Apparent Reason! It still shows that Sam has a Problem!

[@lukedavis1436]

I hate characters like Sam. I just can't stand the rude character who does nothing but treat people like crap, but for some reason no one can ever say anything to them, and also is able to somehow kick everybody's asses so that there's never any chance for conflict for that character. I mean it really doesn't make any sense why Carly would be friends with somebody like Sam, especially when she physically and emotionally abuses her other friend.

[@nicholassims9837]

Same reason people are friends with Big G and Sneech

[@lukedavis1436]

@@nicholassims9837 I've never seen the show.

[@nicholassims9837]

@@lukedavis1436 there's something called the Friend nobody likes Sam and Logan from Zoey 101 fall in that group

[@lukedavis1436]

@@nicholassims9837 But it's also a thing that doesn't exist.

[@nicholassims9837]

@@lukedavis1436 sometimes it can

[@JasontheCartoonFan]

While I’ll admit that it was weird AF, iCarly was a childhood favorite of mine…until it hit seasonal rot. And thanks to the Seddie arc, it hit seasonal rot HARD…just as bad as SpongeBob’s dark age. Looking back at the entire runs of both shows in retrospect with the help of Paramount+ just made me feel sad, though seasons 6-8 of SB still had a few gems thrown into the mix, and iCarly had a good finale during its original run. Thanks the lord both shows got the chance to redeem themselves: SpongeBob with its ninth season onwards, and iCarly with its revival.

[@cordyceps7531]

Man so much of this blew over my head as a kid. Forgot how morally deranged this show could be.

[@eggabooha1212]

I've been watching a lot of retrospectives on iCarly of late due to the reboot/continuation, and on retrospective I'm more and more aware that I didn't really watch it for the actual icarly crew, I never really liked the Sam "slapstick", I don't remember laughing at it. I really ended up just watching it for Jerry Trainor as Spencer, something about his goofy carefree nature just made me really enjoy the show to the point as a kid could ignore just the genuinely awkward feeling from a lot of the deeper implications.