Ice Factory... Mark 2? | Ep 14 | ONI - Frosty - Ceres

[@alenvire]

Don't tell YT I liked the video before watching. *edit your pipe spaghetti makes me feel less bad about mine.

[@Sierra-t5y]

Same lmfao

[@andydeboer7793]

You guys have pipes?

[@VasiliiAlferov]

if you freeze the water inside a mesh tile - it will form debris instead of full tile, so no excavation needed.

[@ZhiLawd]

or if you freeze small packets, 10g iirc

[@KaedysKor]

You can also freeze it inside an open manual airlock, similar to how regolith munchers work.

[@BouncingTribbles]

I've been told that the Geothermal Plant is mass negative at 8%, to account for the solids with each cycle. That matches with what I've seen with mine.

[@drosellie2850]

It deleates 8% of the mass you input, but it also creates a few extra materials, such as obsidian, rust, but most importantly, polluted water and salt water, wich comes out as hot steam, salt and dirt. So while you do loose a bit of the original 12 tons of water, you gain around 700 kg back. So if the input liquid is water, then you can pretty much not care about it.

[@drosellie2850]

It's still not water positive (nor is it water neutral), but it is less water negative than it seems at first glance

[@BouncingTribbles]

You have liquid in your geo plant, that messes with the pressure A LOT, by like 20+ kg per tile in the top row. That would explain why the pressure isn't going down.

[@thyghostridder]

Now here’s a thought how about limiting the amount of liquid that you have going through so it will always freeze when released from the vent so you won’t have to dig it up and lose 50% of the mass. I know you have a huge amount of water but this could be a thought on planets with a low amount of water

[@pedrosancao]

If I recall correctly limiting the liquid sensor to 750 should make it always freeze to debris

[@OSNX]

@@pedrosancao liquid valve set to 0.999 kg is best way to do it

[@КонстантинБеспалов-ъ8ф]

How about pump up geotermal plant? I mean you can get all sorts of minerals from it. Even liquid Niobium I believe, if you make input hot enough. Expirementing with geopower was the main idea of this colony after all

[@nazgu1]

On top of my head, two ways to freeze water without loosing 50% mass to digging: 1. Pump it through radiant pipes at 1 kg/s flow. 2. Use mesh tiles similar to how Tony Advanced ONI volcano tamer works, except you'll have a cold room filled with nectar/ethanol, not steam.

[@flowergurl1009]

The ice maker is super useful for the bonbon tree because making snow is impossible otherwise i believe

[@AlexSwavely]

@17:23 remember, you can also run salt water through this to split it into brine and ice using this method

[@michaelbothner6054]

So what i've found is that auto sweepers can use the pitcher pump if it's in liquid metal.

[@fruity4820]

Yeah that's so weird, why would they make it work like that?

[@izplus]

There is an option to enable auto-bottling in Pitcher pump memu

[@Seroku03]

@@izplus Auto-Bottling, refers to when there is a need for the liquid at the bottom of the pitcher pump and you want to move it manually. You have two ways of moving liquids (Pipes and Pitcher pump in the form of a bottle).

[@ardnerusa]

​@@fruity4820, highly likely it's just a bug, and auto sweeper do not supposed to work with liquid at all

[@ItIsJustWolf]

Can't wait get a series where Echo reviews the viewers Bases from time to time... I made individual Geo Vent setups that never overpressures and uses 4 Steam Turbines each with a little outsourced water input, the Turbines never go off and has been running for over 1000 cycles

[@MrJoe3180]

I found using a tank of super cold liquid mercury or other such liquid and dumping water in it with a bottle emptier works wonderfully in ice making.

[@TheAngryForest]

Good morning Echo! The little dupe and I love this series, can't wait to see what you do next!

[@moonlghtbttrfly]

Couple of sugestions: the liquid vents can automate themselfs, just put them in the ground. Besides, you always want some ice there so when it is needed you don't need to wait for the water to freeze. Therefore, I would put the automation form the bins in the miners, not the water input.

[@moonlghtbttrfly]

Yeah, I don't think the water is gonna sit there and freeze at >800kg, so the automation from bins should go for the liquid vents, that sits in the floor, but I don't think u need any more automation and no liquid shutoff.

[@overlordkye]

Sometimes, I think Echo’s biggest antagonist is past!Echo lol. You have my condolences on having to re-pipe and re-wire and fudge with the steam turbines to make power plants. The bigger and more complex the system, the more of a pain in the tuckus it is to adjust. But it’s absolutely worth every crooked ceiling and extra bridge! That’s a boatload of power in exchange for what was undoubtedly a bit of a headache. And now that you have all that ice production potential... ice sculptures???? :D

[@keithstathem872]

The ability of the autosweeper to feed the ice maker is an optional feature of the No Manual Delivery mod, which I (and apparently a bunch of other people) had forgotten it had. It took me about half an hour of disabling mods a few at a time to figure that out, after looking through the list and failing to find anything that looked related.

[@peterschmidt1900]

9:40 that was the fossil, surrounded by magma, that solidified.

[@Degrult]

I think the Italians are gonna be up in arms from the messy spaghetti echo is serving them this episode 😊

[@dennisvandenbroek1725]

In my playtrough the geothermal is a water positive event, altough everyone saying it shouldn't be. What i did is, i have a pressure sensor, if the pressure is above 75 KG i take out water from a steamturbine into a storage tank. Not sure how many cycles it took but i got 3 full tanks allready of 95C water :D.

[@nazgu1]

>4:00 AFAIK, in vanilla game autosweepers can only pick up liquid metals from pitcher pumps. You need a mod to make it work with any liquid.

[@wellyngtonweller6575]

Echo, as far as I know, auto-sweepers can only use a pitcher pump when it's liquid is a liquid metal (molten gold, aluminum, tungsten and so on)

[@misspotato813]

I was part of the group saying that the sweeper works for transferring water. I tested a setup I had seen before of a sweeper sucking up molten glass out of a volcano into a bottle emptier and it isn't working either. It seems like the sweeper can only move molten metals now. Perhaps it was changed in the DLC update. It wont even use already filled bottles anymore.

[@Maintyper]

Hello Echo, maybe you should consider getting the paint your pipes Mod. It allows you to change the colors of your pipes allowing you to see them better. It allows to paint gas and wires too I believe. Thanks for another fun video. 😊

[@solomincraftpleyer4307]

Great job echo

[@TeracomConsulting]

I believe that a sweeper will take "some" liquids from a pitcher pump to a bottle emptier. I have seen Magma moved in this way... I think it was FJ. I seem to recall being told that it will not transport water (as you demonstrated). I am not sure if it excludes "All" waters, or just clean water. Should be easy to test with Oil if you wanted to.

[@defiantly_emily]

I’m sure it is on your list of things to do; but I noticed your geothermal plant could use some more temp shift plates.

[@Sorthija]

18:42 Yes, supposedly the geothermal had some % of mass deletion. I noticed that my geothermal plants couldnt keep up. so I put an infinite water storage between the steam turbines and the geothermal plant. This is a close loop, no external feeding, and somehow my infinite storage has around 350 tons of water and keeps growing.

[@All_Night]

Time for Echo to use some automation ribbons and deal with the automation spaghetti

[@hristodimitrov3695]

New project "automated" ice/snow making. Use the zombie spore to make robots. Put the pitcher pumps and ice makers in rooms restricted for dupes. Make them priority 9 so the zombie robots always priority them. Will it work ?

[@Y2KNW]

In the one geothermal plant I've built since the DLC came out, I sent all the water from the turbines back into the geothermal plant with a little extra added to make up for shortfalls and it ran almost flawlessly. And given how this game continually kicks me in the taint, I'll take "almost flawlessly" any day of the week.

[@leetustainify]

Your new ice factory is extremely similar to the design I went with that I mentioned in the comments of your last video. From playing with it I found that it makes ice extremely quickly and you'll struggle to use it all. I used Thermium and super coolant to maximise efficiency as I did it much later on when I ran out of natural ice.

[@Sierra-t5y]

I WISH I under stood this stuff as well as you. Man I feel dumb lol.

[@TheGreatJNK]

I have also hasld the bug that the geothermal heat pump generated water instead of using it up. Had to build three pipes to vent water to space.

[@Leopard_of_Lightning]

I meant to put this comment on the last video, but you made a new video before I had the chance :D You can reduce the automation in the oxygen factory by using conveyor receptacles on priority 1 for the auto sweepers to fill the smart storage. Then you only need automation from the smart storage to turn off the ice production. Or you could have a sensor on the line shut off the ice production when the shipping line is full for a certain amount of time. Although it was neat to see how you made all that automation work. I love these videos!!

[@TheCallOfaSaint]

yo man, the brazilian youtuber nofaxu recommended your channel, thx for all the videos!!! they helped a lot!!

[@thewolf2435]

This video is so entertaining and funny

[@pradiptaardaniswara6749]

15:55 Hello Echo why not try with rail sensor, so you don't have to put automation on every smart storage bin, and the machines stop working when the rail is chalk full of ice

[@Ominiphis]

Nice drip ice farm! Used what i said last time on a different level. Try using mercury on mercury lights on solar power. It works great. I know you dont need power but it is a great source on the frosty planet.

[@gcl2783]

It will be a cold day in hell on the Ridge.

[@pierrotdeanau1848]

I think the Water dispenser+ auto sweeper work only with the niubiom liquid. Ive only seen it used with that…

[@JackDiederich]

it only works with liquid metal (but any of them). It would be nice if it was patched to work with all liquids.

[@peterschmidt1900]

0:55 Put a metal tile under the aquatuner. The water you dump (only) there is the reason.

[@footur3179]

So I know pitcher pumps can deliver liquid to bottle emptier but whether that works for other buildings too idk? Oni players got that Mandela affect

[@ASHole71]

Oni needs fans to move gases around Brooms and squeegees would be cool too

[@johnchiz54]

15:58 you missed the most important part of the reason there are two in each line. if there was only one not gate then the buss line would back feed to the not gates shutting the vent even when the smart storage on that row isn't full. it's job isn't just to flip the signal, it's also there to isolate the source. much like a Diode

[@cesarsilva4265]

Instead of injecting water directly into the pump, im droping it into the steam room. This is controlled by an atmo sensor that checks for less than 20kg of steam before letting in more whater. Then i have one of 9 steam turbines output to the steam room and the others redirect all their output to refill the the pump. I see that the atmo sensor lets just a bit of whater in (about 1t in 12 cycles) so i guess its not whater positive, you lose a bit, but i haven't test this extensively. Im only using one of the vents, but i didn't have overpresure issues yet, and its been running for 100+ cycles

[@joeschmoe7324]

Sweepers work on pitcher pumps ONLY ON LIQIUD METAL. Reference francis john on the niobium tamer using bottle emptiers.

[@curties]

I am so jelly that this colony still runs that smoothly at cycle +800 while mine is barely running around cycle 300. Its time to upgrade my PC.

[@blazeraz7666]

Auto sweeper can only pump liquid metals

[@gazzuk3552]

Ohhh Infected pattys... another apocalupse

[@Youmu_Konpaku_]

The spaghetti continues 😅

[@SuperCaitball]

I feel like it would be more efficient to set the hydro sensors lower to make sure that the amount of water being frozen will always be small enough to freeze into debris instead of tiles, so you save both water and power (eliminating the robo-miners).

[@commissar_dk420]

Though it's more spaghetti, rather than getting rid of the excess water from the geothermal plant. Why don't you route it over to become ice?

[@EugeneChudinov]

I have a mod for a thing for autofilling bottles of water that can be used for autosweepers. Very handy~

[@iccolo]

yay new friends

[@Kurock1000]

I’m sorry man, lol I thought there was a reason not to just… freeze it. If the ice maker is more efficient or something.. haven’t gotten the dlc yet.

[@wolfen210959]

Oh man, so much spaghetti, If only I liked the stuff there'd be enough food for a year. :)

[@mgiacmierhns8755]

pretty sure the auto-swepper cannot pick up water from pitcher pumps. it can pick up molten niobium, i've seen it do that in a francis john video i think, but it never worked with water for me.

[@largato12345]

Freezing the water in a block like that means you're gonna have to dig it and lose half the mass right?

[@vonrheinland4924]

right

[@gazzuk3552]

Snorers need a private luxiry bedroom :)

[@AylorAivo]

Seeing as mining a tile looses half the mass wouldn't it be way way better to limit it so that it never makes a tile? Even if you've got enough water that losing half of it is basically irrelevant that's still going to mean you need to cool down twice as much water to get the amount of ice you want.

[@__5017]

Hey echo the max output of the ice machine 2.0 is currently 10kg/s or 60000kg/cycle you can increase this by adding more pump

[@dean4939]

Get the Mod that allows larger power rooms to 240 tiles. 96 tiles is just waay to small. you new improved Ice maker looks better. I dont think the whole floor was necessary just a single chilled tile where the drip occurs with a bunch of thermal mass behind it so it doesn't heat up too quickly if you need alot of Ice at one time, which you dont seem to need at this point. Might want to insulate that area better, just so the chill isnt bleeding out, but since you prechilled the water i dont think it will be an issue like you pointed out. Next project, clear the map clean the air. let it run for 100 cycles by itself while you sweep the colony to check its self-sufficiency. and move on to your next game.!! Game on Echo.

[@justinorlesky7567]

7:49 i see you have zombie spores in your carbon dioxide by the ton of bamoth paddys, only 54 spores, and your ice setup i think you could triple each set up, like add 2 more drop points making 3 bowls each

[@Seroku03]

For an "Auto-Sweeper" to interact with a "Pitcher Pump", you need a mod. They might be confusing regular vanilla play with modded experience.

[@jamesvance1367]

Is liquid nectar heavier than water?

[@Leopard_of_Lightning]

It sounds like you are looking for a new series. Would you be interested in doing the mutate all plants? Essentially a new farm series, but you only need a few of every plant.

[@raven100]

A quick fix to the single solar panel under mesh tiles?

[@ArchAngel087]

I missed something, why are there animals in the power room?

[@pyroman7196]

If you freeze water and dig it up, you lose half the mass. If you use an ice maker do you get 1:1?

[@Spencerbane]

Yeah, but 0 dup labor with the freezing and digging it up and water isn't really an issue.

[@pyroman7196]

@@Spencerbane Im not saying dont do it, im just genuinely curious about the mechanics as i've never used it. At best I freeze C02. Though thinking about it @Echo how I freeze C02 with no chance of it becoming a solid is to have a dripper into a large mass of a super chilled ethanol since its freezing range is -100c+, so you can let c02 passively freeze into small packet items, I bet you could do the same with water, albeit youll need to monitor the temperature more since the mass of water is much higher than gas

[@goodstormsgames9744]

So sweepies can auto fill the ice makers. Don't think the pump will allow auto bottling

[@madkuya9862]

How about an icy Clubhous? You have enough power to sequence the light flashes. And meep for once can acctualy rock the house. ^^ And i might remember it wrong, but didnt you choose the ice makers to be able of making snow?

[@wato-jk8ns]

Is it possible to use excess steam to make snow?

[@gamez110]

I don't like small rooms in ONI, so I use the mod , it makes them about 2x.

[@ellenkuang8853]

Is the desalination really necessary? Wouldn't straight up freezing the brine/salt water give the same result?

[@victorwhy.]

wont that just give you bring ice?

[@Thoron_of_Neto]

​@@victorwhy.Yes it will

[@josefbueter8029]

The pitcher pump can only be used in liquid metal i think

[@bgtgigachad7907]

I have been summoned hello echo

[@thatboy5751]

Yes

[@Ominiphis]

Is there a automatic way to make snow?

[@cadrach1624]

Regarding your spaghetti piping.... how about renaming the series? To sth. like "Frozen Pasta"? 😉

[@Davini994]

Autosweepers only pick up from liquid bottler whatsits if it's liquid metal.

[@Littlereaper558]

it worked for me with water

[@Davini994]

@@Littlereaper558 That's interesting. I wonder if it's a mod or a change that's making it happen. It's not just me that thinks that; there's a discussion on steam that I found, I'll post below in case YT zaps links. FJ and others have said it on stream I'm sure.

[@patrickdean5258]

Magma pump into the geothermal plant?

[@bpdbleach]

How bout a rec room or several, that should consume some power.

[@ForeverLostInOz]

more power... more wasteful dupe entertainment?!?!

[@largato12345]

Oni community, please is there a mod where you drag the mouse over an area and it tells you how much material is in the tiles you selected?

[@Exactaccident]

Instead of robo miners use these new trees to cruch the ice tiles

[@geeksdo1tbetter]

The bonbon trees only dig themselves out of snow tiles, not ice

[@williamhess180]

I know you don't actually need it but I feel like there should be a deodorizer next to all those bammoth patties

[@fernandogranato8987]

I did not understand the reason for the 2 cooling loops. Why is echo cooling down the water and then dropping it on the metal tiles to freeze? Wouldn’t the water freeze if he just dropped it on super cool tiles?

[@EchoRidgeGaming]

Freezes quicker if the source water is cool too.

[@nate4655]

my mod's dont seem to be downloading, do you have a fix?

[@gp5313]

2 minutes let's go

[@zeaol]

do not google Kaci Starr btw

[@scp-953]

13min

[@OSNX]

i still think that that mk2 is not good, if i dont forget i will make a mk3 to handle 10 kg/s this weekend

[@salemprompthous3820]

4:50(ish) With nearly 6000 hours played, I've never seen an autosweeper interact with a pitcher pump, unless using a mod that enables it to do so. What the autosweeper can do, however, is pick up a bottle off the floor, and put into a machine, e.g bottle emptier. And for those who are adamant that I'm wrong, prove it, please, using a run with zero mods in use.