ICE vs EV Fires: Why only EV Fires?

[@billthompson9482]

Now tell the audience the instances of ice fire too EV fires, ice vehicle catch fire at five times greater rate proportionally than EV fires..

[@StacheDTraining]

I have: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mpC2oXusd8utqNk

[@maszkalman3676]

Now tell your 0 audience how the hell you will extinguish your ev car fire by yourself we had back in the communist days a busted LADA it caught fire once, the small car fire extinguisher was enough to put it out.

[@garycarpenter2932]

that's a very poor comparison. you get an f- grade. how many more ice vehicles are on the road vs. ev's? way more than 5 times more for sure. if we we're going apples to apples, 'per vehicles on the road', there are way more ev fires. once they match in numbers on the road you will see this as 10x more ev fires than ice engines. if not way more.

[@billthompson9482]

@@garycarpenter2932 I used the word "proportionally". Look the word up.

[@Ludak021]

@@garycarpenter2932 For the US alone, it's 300 million ICE vs 25 million vehicles with batteries,including hybrids and golf carts. Current Estimates Internal Combustion Engine (ICE) Vehicles: Approximately 300 million in the U.S. Battery Electric Vehicles (BEVs): Approximately 1.5 million to 2 million (excluding hybrids) To conclude, EVs catch a lot of fire.

[@regaubade8329]

I have a fire extinguisher in my car, for me or others, with an ICE. I would NEVER go near a burning EV.

[@iffracem]

Even in an ICE fire, the small extinguishers are only really useful if you can get to the fire at the very start, before it takes hold. Maybe to temporarily "clear a path" to rescue someone stuck? But yeah, still absolutely worth having one easily accessible in the cabin. I've carried one for as long as I remember, and only ever used to put out a campfire near a beach that got to "intense" once. EV? Run upwind while phoning for help and yelling for people run away with you

[@regaubade8329]

@@iffracem Yes I know that. It's usually for the owner's, but if you're there, at the beginning, let's say a parking lot, it can save a car. I will most likely never have the _chance_ to use it. I also have fire blanket in the car too.

[@Busaguy]

That's why as a retired semi driver, we were required by DOT to carry a fully charged fire extinguisher. Because you do have a chance to extinguish a fire yourself with an ICE vehicle. But you have zero chance with an EV.

[@KitYeeScott]

I’ve put out 2 engine compartment, ICE fires with a 2.25lb dry chemical extinguishers. Lost a ICE car to a 5 lb extinguisher with a back seat fire.

[@scottwick7712]

That’s why when you seen an EV fire the fire department’s let it burn same I believe goes for a solar panel fire you can put them out

[@LordVader69420]

My parents' 1992 Ford F250 had the alternator short out, and it caught on fire one morning when they were warming up the truck before work in the winter. My dad put out the fire with a jug of water, and no damage was done to the truck. They got a new alternator a few days later.

[@Roberto-mr9mv]

Coca-Cola will put out most ice fires.

[@JustPeasant]

One BMW 5 series caugut fire in early hours of the morning in front of my home. Firefighters put it out in less then a minute (around 30 seconds). There were no damage to surrounding cars.

[@normanlorrain]

With ICE fire, in 30 minutes that crew is available for other emergencies. With ev the crew is tied up, placing the public at risk.

[@kelvin1316]

Not with the van that was set alight in my road, the fire crew were there for almost 2 hours

[@MrDiamondFlyer]

In Belgium, the fire department brings a special container on site, place the EV in that container, close it and submerge the car for 24h before attempting to move it. This is for saving water, time and reduce soil pollution from the chemicals that are washed out in the process. When the fire happens inside a parking and next to other parked cars, it becomes a totally different story...

[@Tschacki_Quacki]

So? EV fire - 1 crew ICE fires - 7 crews

[@kelvin1316]

@@Tschacki_Quacki we have 4 crews turn up to the van fire near me.

[@ryanfagan4563]

As a Fire Investigator, I can say this is a typical "electrical" within the vehicle and it's fire load is primarily the foam plastics within the cab. It should be noted, however, that most ICE vehicle fires are from leaking fluids, dripping and leaking on hot components. That's why, many times you will see someone driving down the highway as the vehicle is on flames and they are unaware of it.

[@mikemccann6556]

I was a volunteer in the early 80's. I was toned out on a vehicle fire that was two blocks from my house. I opened the hood and fought the fire with snow from the ground and nearly had it out. When the engine showed up I grabbed the red snake because it was the quickest thing to use. I had it out in about a minute. It was a gasoline fire that had spread to under the engine. The car ended up being fine.

[@the_lost_navigator]

Step-Father was Aircraft Electrician, 82Sqn RAF, 1939-45. He bought a brand-new Buick Estate Wagon in 72. A few years later a wire-fire burned out the Dash but Fire Department was near so car was saved. Father rewired EVERYTHING and got everything working but one light-function (turn-signal or Hazards). Every wire under that Dash was cut from one spool of white-coated wire. Father was colour-blind. Respect

[@SUBARUWRC555Jiffy]

I didn't know Bon Jovi made a song about EVs... "oooh she's a thermal runaway"....

[@Kiyoone]

😂

[@kradius2169]

U2oob: San Ramon Burst

[@frogsplorer]

Ear worm transmitted 🎸

[@fdMT_EnGy]

😂😂

[@lp9280]

Also, I think it was important to mention - ICE fire releases very little and just very basic pollutants - mostly Co2, monoxides, microplastics, bisphenols and phthalates. Not that one should breath them in, but very basic facemask or respirator will protect both firefighters and bystanders. There also may be some residual oil and fuel contamination, generic rubbish like glass and plastic, all relatively safe to handle with basic PPE. BEV fires are not like that - high concentration of highly toxic, persistent and deadly chemicals for hours, sometimes days, the area affected could be entire city blocks. Heavy metals like cobalt, lasting contamination which requires specialist PPE, risk management and handling techniques. Risk of explosion, high concentration of strong acids. The whole process from beginning to the end is magnitude of times more complicated, dangerous, potentially deadly, time consuming and costly. The only sure way to put out BEV fire is to submerge entire vehicle into container of water and keep it there basically indefinitely, or until battery is removed and dismantled. Also entire toxic slurry that is created as result needs proper treatment as it is highly toxic.

[@MrVolodus]

On other hand, with ICE cars you breath in pollutants 24/7 ... thousands of cars, daily.

[@allangibson8494]

ICE fires are highly toxic because of carbon MONOXIDE emissions. Incomplete combustion is the rule not the exception. Flashovers frequently destroy entire buildings.

[@rayberger2694]

Makes you wonder why the EPA does not shut down the production of EVs.

[@allangibson8494]

@@rayberger2694 Because ICEV are far far worse… ICEV vehicles emit their weight in pollutants every six months…

[@rayberger2694]

@@allangibson8494 You are talking about plant food, right ?

[@Real_Tim_S]

Several decades ago, I saw an ICE fire that wasn't a total loss. I was attending Rocky Horror Picture Show with friends in the S.F. Bay Area, and as the show let out, we noticed smoke coming from the parking lot adjacent to the theater. Three of my friends and I ran over to the car, and found a person sitting in the driver's seat looking confused, with smoke billowing out of the cabin through a partially open window. We pulled the lady out of the car and moved her to fresh air, one of my other friends arrived with an extinguisher from the theater lobby and had told the show security of the fire (they called 911 from the venue so they could coordinate the response). After the woman was removed we noticed a fire (actual flame) in the center console, and the fire extinguisher was deployed in two sweeps to knock it down. I leaned in and popped the hood, and disconnected the negative terminal of the battery, in the event the fire was electrical in cause. Fire department arrived, checked our work, shot a CO2 extinguisher to cool down the center console, and then cleared out all the smoke. After interviewing the driver, everyone found out that she was stone drunk, and that she had lit incense and placed it in the ash tray to try to cover the smell of alcohol on her breath before driving off. She did not notice that the heat of the smoldering incense had caught the ABS plastic on fire around the ash tray, and was happily just sitting there with a burning interior as she prepared to drive off. One of her friends came out of the theater sober (if you've ever done Rocky Horror Picture Live Shows, you'll understand why there is a distinction between sober and drunk patrons...), and saw everyone huddled around her car. She asked if she ran someone over, and a few of us told here what had happened. About this time, the fire department reconnected the battery of the car, in order to see if any of the wire harnesses that were visible through the scorched dash were at all shorting out - finding nothing and no heat remaining, declared the fire out. Local PD was talking to the lady driver, and the fire fighters - and since we didn't see her actually have the keys in the ignition, they couldn't do much. The lady's sober friend was allowed to drive the vehicle and the drunk lady home in the car that was previously on fire, with probably about $500 worth of interior plastic to replace and a wicked ABS/incense mix she will remember in embarrassment for the rest of her life. No injuries, no loss of life, and property damage contained to the sole vehicle - and a re-charge cost of the fire extinguisher. Spectacular end to a crazy night. 10/10 would recommend. ;-)

[@dzcav3]

Good thinking for disconnecting the battery.

[@RomperRuined]

I avoid parking anywhere near an EV in a public parking lot, or on the street, 'cause ya just never know 🔥

[@DwaynePipes]

However there is an ever increasing risk that by the time you return there will be an EV parked next to yours! 🔥🔥

[@NortyNige]

Thank you for taking the time to share your knowledge and observations.

[@missgibsen6767]

Thank you for trying to warn people about the dangers of EVs .we just lost ours to a Fire in our garage. Almost burned our House down. No more for us !!

[@silo_fx3182]

So sorry to hear this. I try to be as objective as possible about most things in life and having an EV on site is a simple no thanks for me. I do hope you and your loved ones are ok? People simply are not aware of the significant risk because life is busy and you think you are doing the right thing by getting an EV based on media and news outlets. It's just not the case. They are a very poor alternative to ICE OR to save the planet. BEVs totally fail on both those counts. The more people hear your message the better we all are. Thank you for sharing what must have been a terrifying event.

[@hamaarahof5712]

Glad it didn't kill you, thousands already paid with their lives!

[@Disgracefoold]

You are full of it, Miss Gibsen!!! Just recently you posted, that you got rid of your EV, because you deemed it too dangerous. Here's the likely truth, Missie: You couldn't afford an EV, even in your dreams...

[@rightsdontcomewithpermits7073]

Some people just need personal lesson.

[@MrTheHillfolk]

​@@Disgracefoold Yeah it caught on fire and she figured that was too dangerous so she got rid of it. 😂

[@chrisophernevitt3603]

If you had kids in a ev fire would be a horrible situation

[@chrisward5626]

So you think kids havnt died in ice fires ?

[@lancethrust9488]

@@chrisward5626 EVS WILL BE WAY MORE DANGEROUS

[@lancethrust9488]

YA LEAVE YOUR KIDS IN THE CAR WHILE YOUR IN WALLMART , BY THE TIME YOU COME OUT YOUR KIDS ARE BARBECUE IN BODY BAGS NO EVS FOR ME THERE FOR DUMB PEOPLE

[@chrisward5626]

@@lancethrust9488 lol so you didn’t know who a ice vehicle has a fire wall ?

[@lancethrust9488]

@@chrisward5626 GET OUT OF HERE SHILL , THE COMMON SENSE MOVEMENT WILL END THE EV AGENDA , WE KNOW ALREADY GEORGE SOROS IS FLIPPING HIS DESK IN ANGER

[@martinsoelby5902]

Consequence = probability x severity. It is the severity people don’t understand.

[@Nono-rh4lr]

I’ll agree with that. Likely hood is an other story.

[@JoeyBlogs007]

Yes the probability might be lower, but the severity is higher. The cost is calculated from the two variables.

[@JoeOvercoat]

@@JoeyBlogs007aka ‘criticality’.

[@marcusaureliusanonymous]

Some people with vested agenda just cant handle honest analysis and hard facts!!

[@knirbnosaj1158]

Those with vested agendas are also driven by emotions, to the point that their brain can no longer process countervailing facts.

[@Acceleronics]

Hear that, Elon? Marcus is talking about you.

[@phillyphil1513]

re: "Some people with vested agenda just cant handle honest analysis and hard facts!!" "I want the truth...!!! (epic 1992 Few Good Men/Tom Cruise voice) "YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH...!!!" (epic 1992 Few Good Men/Jack Nicholson voice)

[@phillyphil1513]

@@knirbnosaj1158 re: "driven by emotions" "DENIAL's a helluva drug..." (Rick James speaks)

[@allangibson8494]

Like Marcus blaming fires on Lithium batteries that weren’t even involved?

[@michaelharrison9340]

When will politicians acknowledge that EVs with current battery technology are neither safe, nor fit for purpose.

[@jlcii]

And this is why I don't like videos like this. There are people who do want electric vehicles. Do the current ones come with risks? Sadly yes. But so do internal combustion engine vehicles. Just because they may not burn as extreme, or combust as quickly, doesn't mean they don't still pose a risk. But now people like you want NO ONE to be allowed to have an EV because of a possible risk. I'm all for developing safer technology, and I'm all for not forcing people into electric vehicles if they don't want one. But for those that do, they shouldn't be blocked from having one because of a potential risk that happens on a way less grand scale as compared to internal combustion engine fires, which do happen more frequently.

[@michaelharrison9340]

@@jlcii Who said nobody should be allowed an EV - not me! My problem is the EV religion where we'll be forced away from ICE vehicles for dubious reasons. I don't trust politicians, especially the authoritarian type. What about; the hypocrisy around carbon net zero and whether reducing CO2 will have any effect on anthropogenic GW (even if such a problem actually exists - check out the Tom Nelson YT channel for a scientific antidote to the AGW theory); do EVs reduce emissions over the vehicle life (even VW estimates the break-even is around 70000 miles); lack of charging infrastructure; high costs of purchase/repair/insurance/depreciation; child slavery around the lithium ion industry which will presumably only increase; etc.

[@leepowell6754]

Well done!!

[@Kiyoone]

Thank you for your service sir. KZbin not promoting this as awareness is crazy. I bet the algorithm is against the people and channels that tells the truth about EV's (Exploding Vehicles)...

[@knirbnosaj1158]

*They/ThemTube

[@demcomp]

@@Kiyoone EVs . Exploding Vehicles 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 omfgilt!

[@phillyphil1513]

re: "I bet the algorithm is against the people and channels that tells the truth about EV's". if Elon can overpay $44 Million to buy Twitter (to "control the narrative") and donate $75 Million to a Political Campaign (to also "control the narrative") then that means he can certainly pay Millions to an entity like KZbin to ensure their algorithm DOESN'T work against his political and financial interests. not to say 100% that's what he's done...? but simply to point out a CLEAR PATTERN OF BEHAVIOR that's staring everyone in the face.

[@DwaynePipes]

KZbin is awash with channels like this! WTFAYTA? 😂

[@janiceperkins4340]

I used to drive school buses, had one start smoking in the dash. It was a Type ll (van) and I had 3 students in Wheel Chairs on board! It was radio equipped and I called it in to dispatch right away then began evacuating the kids (removing each child from their chair). I has help because I was still at a child's home From the time the smoke started until the Fire Department arrived was 3 min ( all kids safely evaluated) That bus was in the shop for over 3 wks having the wiring harness changed. When I got it back, strange things happened, I tried my left turn signal & my wipers came on. I turned my hazard lights off, my high beam indicator would flash on & off. After several times sending it to the shop and still having these problems, I declared it "unsafe" and refused to ever drive it again!

[@StacheDTraining]

I fear you won't have time to evacuate kids off an EV bus if the high voltage battery catches fire

[@novacat3032]

i fear on an EV bus there won't be enough time to evecuate 3 kids with full mobility

[@jamesphillips2285]

@@StacheDTraining You can't have it both ways: Either the battery burns quickly, or it burns for hours.

[@contra_plano]

Elétric buses are much safer to drive

[@janiceperkins4340]

@@contra_plano 🤣🤣🤣 Safer than what????🤔 Gas? Diesel? 😅😅😅 Mine was actually LPG ! Liquefied Natural Gas! a.k.a Propane! Which is safer still! Besides, the fuel system wasn't the problem, IT WAS ELECTRICAL! Did I say it was an ELECTRICAL fire 🤔

[@industrialmonk]

It just shows the ignorance of people that you have to point out the difference that's so obvious to anyone with a functioning brain.

[@douglasb.5601]

​@@orlandopockets6372 Yours has obviously been 'washed'. T.D.S. 👍🏻

[@douglasb.5601]

@@orlandopockets6372 If you prefer Camel Toe then you're obviously not! 😄👍🏻

[@teardowndan5364]

I've seen many car fires where the car was fine, mainly in the form of mechanics spilling gasoline while working on something. Put a blanket on top to limit available air, spray with a CO2 or chemical extinguisher, most stuff will survive the heat long enough for the flames to go out, little to no damage except to the mechanic's ego.

[@AJB2K3]

I've just recommended your channel to a business after surveying lithium equipment.

[@randydewees7338]

Wow, the first thing I would have done (after calling the FD) is get a garden hose and get on that dash fire.

[@Solar2go]

That aluminum Ford truck body sure burned nicely, though.

[@V0YAG3R]

*aluminium 👌🏻

[@Mika-ph6ku]

@@V0YAG3Rwhen I type that spelling in my phone puts dotted red lines underneath it 😊

[@zonavarbondagoo4074]

ICE vehicle fires are very well understood and can be manged really well and quickly. EV fires involving the battery module due to anything that causes a thermal runaway are dangerous, disastrous, much hotter than a ICE vehicle fire, and much more toxic. And the fire will NOT stop until either all the battery material is decomposed (which stops self-feeding the fire with oxygen) OR the thermal runaway reaction has been stopped by cooling to stop the thermal runaway. Trouble is that there's no guarantee the thermal runaway won't re-commence. The water runoff from trying to stop the fire is also highly toxic and dangerous for the environment.

[@ambulet]

Best way to demonstrate this is with a split screen, 1 vehicle per side, not multiple examples. with identical time interruptions, and your excellent voiceover explanation.

[@rayberger2694]

Way back in high school back in the late 70s I had an old car and it back fired through the carburetor setting the top of the motor in fire, It was put out with a fire extinguisher, The only damage was part of the wiring harness had to be rebuilt. The fire department was never even called.

[@deniswauchope3788]

Yeah, that happened fairly often back in those days, and we seldom needed to call the fire department. I've still got tune-up gear (never use it anymore) for adjusting points, and remember how easy it was to have a backfire if your timing was off!

[@demcomp]

I had a vehicle fire that wasn't a total loss.. was doing some paint work, had my headlight out, bumper damage.. I had taken the bulb out of the headlight and turned it on so I could inspect some of the work.. didn't notice when I let go of the bulb to turn it off, it landed on some of the masking paper.. it caught fire. I turned off the light, and pulled the burning paper off.. Not a loss at all 😂

[@teolynx3805]

And the funniest thing (for me) with all those EV vs ICE fires is that all EVangelists try to use statistics and tell everyone "Hey it's okay. EV's catch fire less than ICE cars so it's okay" But they forget to tell how the statistics work: EVERY case of fire goes into it and there could be short ICE fire with literally no consequence but EV fires almost always end up with heavy consequences of battery burning and all that goes with it. And they "forget" to tell that there's less EVs than ICE cars so even with the same rate of fire there'll be more ICE fires total (and it works the other way: less EVs in total means less fires in total sometimes even with greater rates of catching fire).

[@karlInSanDiego]

I've put out 6 fires on combustion cars, none resulted in major damage. I'm not a firefighter. I'm a car guy who carried a fire extinguisher in my car, and 5 of those fires was put out with an extinguisher. Two were me helping others as a bystander. One was with water (small oil fire because of dripped oil on hot manifold when topping off). I think we'd have a lot less combustion cars burning to the ground, and house fires too, if people had extinguishers present. I've had small classic sportscars most of my life, so I learned to plan for car fires. Of course I recognize that EV fires are a completely different situation.

[@davidg3944]

Knowing you have a background in ME and actually studied battery containment is contextually very helpful. I like the idea of having an EV, but until better technology is in place to control the risk of battery fires I'll be sticking with IC's...

[@phillyphil1513]

re: "Knowing you have a background in ME and actually studied battery containment is contextually very helpful" awesome, but let's do a quick "thought experiment" and assume for a second that he DIDN'T have an ME's education...? and he DIDN'T study battery containment...? does that mean (despite our living in a post 911 world) his sole STATUS AS A FIREFIGHTER (where he risks his life to save your life or maybe the life of someone you love) would still NOT be sufficient enough for us to consider him a "subject matter expert" regarding FIRE SCIENCE, over the various and sundry BOZOS we've got out here who DON'T risk their lives...? like the cool kids say "asking for a friend".

[@davidg3944]

@@phillyphil1513 I'm delighted that I've played my part to help you feel better about yourself.

[@phillyphil1513]

@@davidg3944 re: "I'm delighted that I've played my part to help you feel better about yourself." and yet the question goes unanswered... so which is it...?

[@davidg3944]

@@phillyphil1513 I'm sorry you still seek affirmation, please consider a therapist for your mental health.

[@phillyphil1513]

@@davidg3944 re: "I'm sorry you still seek affirmation, please consider a therapist for your mental health."

[@pchelloo]

The msm wouldn't be lying about the hours it took to get the fire under control or re-ignition issues, would they? Thanks for yet another educational video, StacheD.

[@christophercharles3169]

This is a very easy to understand explanation of the difference between the 2 types of fires and the different strain on resources they represent not to mention the potential damage to nearby objects each may cause. Had the truck been an EV, that garage was pretty much a goner and who knows what other collateral damage may have ensued.

[@lindastevens6861]

Because we already know how to fight normal car fires😮 a fire extinguisher works on a normal car

[@msw7021]

So does a garden hose

[@SSS_HEX]

So... is this an excusable argument for EV cars? 🙃

[@trg3625]

@@SSS_HEXbatteries are safe if done right, the issue is the manufacturers who can’t which give them a bad reputation. don’t label an entire industry for one idiots mistake

[@SSS_HEX]

@@trg3625 batteries are safe when in small cells number... but when you put thousands togheter is like playing russian roulette with 5 bullets. Lithium batteries are made since '70s... so there is plenty of knowledge about them, you just can't make a big one safe.

[@EcardEcardian]

Disel is superiour motor. Cannot beat a disel, smarter if they just made the internal combustion motor more effective. Spends less fuel and going longer. Because EV burn if it warm outside, do not start if there is ice outside, like there was a city in Sweden that said: Lets go green, replaced all their busses with electrical busses, than winter happend, none of the busses started.

[@jlcii]

Diesel, yeah, that's clean for the environment. Oh wait, isn't it like 20 times dirtier than gasoline? Sorry, some of us actually care about our lungs... And don't believe global warming is a myth.

[@jed-henrywitkowski6470]

I'm from a rural comunity. On one of our trips to the city we stopped by Pep Boys. Thats when my dad and an employee discovered a fire under the hood of our Ford Stationwagon. The employe grabbed a firextuingesher put it out, and we were able to go on about our erands and get home safely.

[@TheLexiechey]

Thank you for these videos, neither the government or news is giving us any of this important information. 2 years ago I drove from RI to Florida, we asked a state trooper along the way what all the rectangular white spots we saw in break down lanes along the way where, he said, all were EV fires, they certainly leave their marks, among the chemicals that burned for hours that affected nearby homes & now in the environment.

[@patmcbride9853]

I had a hot wire from the alternator come loose and weld itself to the alternator case in my old ('65) truck while driving on the freeway. First the gauges went crazy because the wire was bouncing on the case, then smoke started coming from under the dash. I stopped, grabbed a wrench (carry tools, you might need them) and disconnected the battery. No fire.

[@toigatuning120]

Honestly can't believe these uploads don't get more views! The presentation is easy to understand and we'll put together. This information is so important, more so than ever in this day and age.

[@tigertiger1699]

I can’t believe people refuse to see the difference n danger

[@phillyphil1513]

re: "I can’t believe people refuse to see the difference n danger..." are you SURE you can't believe it...? i mean is that your FINAL ANSWER...? (best Regis Philbin Who Wants To Be A Millionaire voice) now the reason i ask and phrase it this way is because we all literally just got finished watching this SAME DENIAL BEHAVIOR in the context of the Global Pandemic, and we saw it in the context of 2020 Election results. that's right, in order to protective itself from harm the weak AF Human Mind will "contort itself into a pretzel" so it can then just "believe whatever it wants to believe". see entry for: COGNITIVE DISSONANCE. also see entry for: DEFENSE MECHANISM.

[@fdMT_EnGy]

This is an excellent and MUCH needed video. The same old argument is used in every video about EV fires, 'but but but ICE vehicles burn more often'.No one says otherwise. The issue is exactly this. The rapid growth, intensity, and difficulty to extinguish. Again excellent video. I hope a lot of 'but but but ICE vehicles' people watch this video and become a little more educated on the subject.

[@crazycoffee]

It's not that I don't like EVs, i It's that I don't like lithium. The practices around it are poor. I had a galaxy note 7 as my third phone, my second "smartphone." Two weeks into owning that phone it was charging and started smoking. I took it outside, tossed it in the dirt, then doused it in water. It was still flaming under the water. I've been nervous about lithium ever since. Seeing all the lithium mines and modern day practices makes me worry more than ever.

[@jamesphillips2285]

Chevron bought the NiMH battery patents from the discontinued and crushed EV-1, and then sued the Toyota Rav4 out of existence. Elon musk then crammed hundreds of commodity lithium-ion 18650 cells, commonly used in laptops at the time, into a ruggedized, water cooled case.

[@a9ball1]

You asked. Back in 1973 my mother went to the grocery store. While she was shopping she saw a fire truck in the parking lot so to be nice she went out to see if she needed to move her car. Well it turned out her car was the one on fire. It was a 1966 mercury Comet. Apparently the carburetor was on fire. The put it out and while they were watching, she started it up and drove it home. My dad took off work and came home and didn't believe it. He put a new carburetor on it and we had that car for years with the burnt spot on the hood. Dad never painted it.

[@MitchLaFortune]

Thank you for your explanation of just how dangerous EV fires can be.

[@sethmoulton8553]

It's amazing to me that this person discovers the fire smoke and does nothing? Conventional vehicle fires like this are so easy to extinguish especially when just starting just pots of water from the kitchen sink would probably have been enough to stop it but certainly a water hose or a fire extinguisher what happened to common Sense

[@David-wf1hr]

maybe the owner had enough of their F150 and thought you can burn sucker😈 - my insurance has this covered.

[@bighairycat]

The German fire department have a large skip bin that they put the EV in and fill with water and leave the car in there for weeks after a fire. Sounds about the only safe way to deal with these fires.

[@WangMingGe]

Thing is, what happens when the EV on fire is deep inside a parking garage? Which is probably why in South Korea and some other places, buildings with parking garages have started banning EVs.

[@jdwht2455]

I've used a fire extinguisher on 3 ICE vehicle fires. Two on my vehicles when a single feed Holley 4bbl carb gas transfer tube O-ring failed. No damage on the first other then the O-ring and and some scorcher paint. The second melted the insulation off some wiring that a roll of tape temporarily fixed. New O-rings from my tool box were installed and I drove home. The third was an accident that tore the carb (or EFI) off the engine and fuel got dumped on the engine by an electric fuel pump The car was totaled but the incapacitated driver was safely pulled free, Try that with your 20 buck fire extinguisher on an EV fire

[@dave3657]

I’m 61, and the number of ICE fires I have seen I can count on one hand. I’ve had fuel leaks, electrical shorts, and all sorts of issues working on old cars, never had a fire.

[@jlcii]

Funny, because a couple dozen internal combustion engine vehicle fires occur in America DAILY. Just because you haven't seen it personally, doesn't mean it doesn't happen. There's a world beyond where you live

[@iffracem]

ICE fire.. 99.99% caused by electrical fault (oh the irony), arson, significant physical damage (i.e crash). Lithium battery based fire (not limited to, but including EV's) All the reasons seen above with ICE.. plus "Just because" I started as a mechanic in 1977, and with the exception of the electrical causes, never seen a fire in ICE vehicle due to "spontaneous combustion". Being an ex mechanic, I have developed a few physical and cognitive issues that are directly related to hydrocarbon fuels, lubricants etc even the old asbestos brake linings, Diesel particulates. So I personally would be happy to see an end to ICE, but we have to replace it with something better.. not worse. EV's as the future.. sure, why not? Just NOT with current battery tech.

[@ericpozarycki6601]

EV should be banned from the market place

[@jlcii]

No they should not. People should not be barred from their freedom of choice because you don't like the car. Some people don't want to drive a gross polluter that's bad for the planet, but people have still been allowed to buy them

[@stargeyser1]

​@@jlciiis the electricity source a coal power plant, how about mining this lithium not so clean either, battery disposal to your own backyard because it is clean. Please don't ride any plane because they pollute our skies, try a lithium battery airplane.

[@msw7021]

If that was a F150 Lighting, his house would be gone.

[@USACars-id3bf]

Toxic EV Lithium batteries can Spontaneously combust at anytime, anyplace . Think about that for a minute while you're driving around with your Family in the Car ,!

[@fountainvalley100]

Great comparison!

[@tevienotser5924]

Love the facts in your videos. Its amazing how fast the aluminum F150 melts.

[@StacheDTraining]

Thank you! And yes, it melts quick.

[@lonestarretireescorner]

Finally, someone that can answer this question. I have seen two post ignition long term techniques regarding EVs. One a large metal dumpster, the EV is lifted and dropped into the container. The EV is eventually covered in water. Depending on displacement of the vehicle this comes to four to seven thousand gallons of water. The water Will have to be decontaminated due to the toxins in the vehicle. Two is using blankets to smother the fire. To prevent re-ignition the blankets would remain with the vehicle until it is deconstructed. Are either or both of these practices a viable solution to battery fires in an EV?

[@Sodanium]

Is there a measurement of toxin coming out from a battery runaway. The thing we buy for greenwash end up getting worse for the environment. What a total irony. Not to mention most nation electric grid is insufficient and a contributor of pollution. I thought the fact that EV would burn for so long .Maybe some minister of transport might want to review cars that have a tendency to torch for hours on end. Are we gonna let hydrogen cars just blow themself up out of no where... I say that we have "self driving" ripping some lives already so I guess anything goes. Time are different. We demand to go slower for safety yet we are bringing more and more danger to the road. What a total cake we have here.

[@charyuna]

That's where all our fresh water goes using 30-50,000 litres to put out an ev fire per vehicle

[@johngalt7382]

Many conventional vehicle fires are electrical, and interior fires. Often the fuel does not burn if it is put out fast enough.

[@iko3]

This is a very important video because EV proponents always point to the fact that ICE vehicles have a lot more fires statistically. What they often leave out is that the INTENSITY/SPEED/DURATION/etc of EV lithium battery fires are so much more dangerous than ICE vehicle fires. I will use this video as a reference. Thank you.

[@silo_fx3182]

That and the 'per unit' numbers for EVs is climbing at a very steady rate - catching up fast as the BEV fleet gets older, whereas ICE fires per unit are stable - have been for many years. BEV statistics are still too new to be relevant in the per unit count. The people quoting those numbers are either not being honest, or don't understand the difference between totals and per unit statistics. A quick google shows a very strong bias to the statistics from pro-EV organisations that tend to see the per unit numbers and then dishonestly extrapolate to the 'overall fire numbers'.

[@iko3]

@@silo_fx3182 💯

[@deniswauchope3788]

Back in my granddad's days, the dashboard of a pick-up truck was metal. I saw some fires in my youth, but can't remember one in the cabin; they were always engine fires, usually because a fuel hose had broken or come loose, and they were easily put out. It's a pity that F-150 owner didn't have a fire extinguisher, if he'd used one he'd probably still have his truck!

[@bigglyguy8429]

Around 40 years ago my friend working on a motorbike - we were dumb kids back then - wanted to take the fuel tank off and re-spray it a different color. We were working by candlelight.... He undid all the bolts but there was this rubber tube holding it on the frame... except it was the balancing pipe, keeping the fuel level the same both sides of the tank... We didn't know that. Holding the candle up close to see, he pulled the rubber tube off. It became a "I don't have any eyebrows, do I?" moment, and the bike, and the fence, caught fire. Oh noes! Calamity! The old chap we were borrowing tools from just opened his car boot, took out the fanciest-looking little fire extinguisher and went "Woooft!" and put it out. He then aimed it at my friend, for fun.. Wooof! and my friend, who was previously of Pakistani race and bushy eyebrows, was white as a ghost, and no eyebrows. 15 mins later the fire brigade arrived, and we all laughed at my friend. Good times.

[@justinmisiuda48]

I find it impressive that something burning that intensely can keep burning for hours on end. The more protection a battery has to prevent fire spread to the next battery the longer the fire will last

[@elonmask50]

You haven't been around much, if you have only seen "one" non total loss vehicle fire; but then you are in the US where fire fighters usually piss about breaking windows and having site meetings, until the only thing(s), left to save are the concrete footings. As a young car enthusiast in the 1980's, I put out many a swap meet, or drive in theatre car fire with what I had on hand, from handfulls of dirt or snow, to a few well shaken bottles of CocaCola, and all but one of the cars drove home afterwards. That said, short of someone being trapped in an EV, there is no way I would go near an angry one of those, even with an SCBA, your videos and "site meetings" have raised my appreciation of the dangers and toxins involved in EV fires, and I thank you for that.

[@c.a.r.s.carsandrelevantspecs]

Thank you! This really spells out the difference. Very good to know!

[@AlphaNerd132]

minor vehicle fires among the poor are a lot more common. every one of my dad's trucks/vans has had at least 1 minor fire, my friends car rad fan lit fire, and iv seen countless car audio fires which where put out.

[@godwindracing6056]

One of the most dumbest arguments I’ve heard of EVangelists (actually, in KZbin, around last year) is comparing an EV catching fire to one from a Ford Sierra Cosworth Sapphire (discontinued in 1992) - did they forget the age of that car and being from that era, it was not uncommon to see them being modified.

[@phillyphil1513]

Q: did they forget the age of that car and being from that era(?) A: yes, they did in fact "forget it". logic dictates then (in taking the time to analyze behavior that at first seems peculiar) that the "forgetting part" is therefore both a PHYSICAL AND MENTAL NECESSITY or otherwise the basic argument wouldn't work. yeah so this is text book Cognitive Dissonance, ref: "A person who experiences internal inconsistency tends to become psychologically uncomfortable and is motivated to reduce the cognitive dissonance. They tend to make changes to justify the stressful behavior, either by adding new parts to the cognition causing the psychological dissonance (rationalization) or by AVOIDING circumstances and CONTRADICTORY information likely to increase the magnitude of the cognitive dissonance..."

[@michael.randall5034]

This is the reason why there have been so many car park fires involved with Ev's. The danger to add to what you said is that they may self combust 24/7 whereas petrol/diesel only goes up (Arson excepted) are totally safe when switched off certainly after a few short minutes. They also burn at 2000 plus degrees C which will likely cause structural damage should it occur inside plus the age of these EV's which are barely off the forecourt and even on the forecourt!!!

[@quartytypo]

What is bad about EV fires is the flames shooting out from the bottom that you have to step into to get out of the car. You want to help an elderly person or child out of the car. You have to step back into the flames again.

[@noelv1976]

“But we must….go… GREEEN!!! “ California governor probably

[@victordauphin2949]

I had a car fire that wasn't a total loss. Tossed my cigarette butt out the window and the wind blew it back inside. Only noticed once the garbage next to me burst into flames. Opened the window and threw the flaming garbage out onto the freeway.

[@justpassnthru]

I appreciate how you just state the facts. Very rare these days.

[@kar4tube]

Thank you for making these videos! It's all too common for the private sector to rush unsafe products onto the market nowadays. IMO, battery technology is too immature to be a safe option for consumers. No doubt EV engineering will evolve and be perfected, but until safety standards are prioritized I'm staying with good 'ole petrol.

[@geo8rge]

Thanks!

[@StacheDTraining]

Welcome, and thank you!

[@grumpy3543]

I saw a great video of a loader picking up an EV fire and dumping it into the river. Worked great.

[@novacat3032]

except in propably all fish and plants in said river a couple of miles downstream are dead now... due to toxic wast water running through the still ongoing chemical reaction... on the other hand the toxic wast water from if they put 20.000 gallons of water on the burning EV insitu would have ended up in that river anyway

[@grumpy3543]

@@novacat3032 Yep. Damned either way.

[@barryphillips7098]

ICE vehicles are MORE reliable, better built and LESS RISK to EVERYONE!!!! EVs have a long LONG way to go before we can take them SERIOUSLY!!!!!!!!!!!

[@USACars-id3bf]

EVs may never get there

[@barryphillips7098]

@@USACars-id3bf I think given time they will get there! i drive electric buses ( sometimes ) almost a million NZD EACH, one was accident damaged due to a car NOT giving way, repairs to the bus six figures!! Scary stuff eh!!

[@andybrowne2117]

How very good !

[@georgeorwell5842]

How many ICE veh don't even get reported to the FD because they were quickly extinguished with a hand held fire extinguisher? In the military every vehicle I ever operated had a hand held fire extinguisher on board to be able to put out small fires like that before they could get too big. I've always had a hand held extinguisher in my personal vehicles for that precise reason. If you're in or near an ICE vehicle when the 1st signs of fire appear you stand a good chance of stopping it before it grows too big. You can probably do the same with an EV **IF** it's not the battery itself, but if it's the battery get upwind asap & call 911 ... because you're going to need a new car 😉

[@dn744]

Thanks ☺️

[@StacheDTraining]

You're welcome!

[@PeterStaniforth]

I've got a friend who's living in China at the moment and he says that the electric BYD cars are catching fire on such a regular basis the fire services have made a special tool that they attach to the front of the fire engine so they can just ram the front/rear of the car and drag it out into the street if its in a garage or driveway!

[@MARILYNABBERTON]

Time for insurance companies to increase their premiums for these vehicles. They are not environmentally friendly. The costs to put these fires out are far more than internal combustion vehicles.

[@sjbechet1111]

The other thing no one is talking about - as these EV batteries get older the risk of spontaneous fire goes up significantly.

[@edc1569]

You got some sort of reference to that, there’s a ton of old leafs out there and I’ve not heard of them burning

[@Nono-rh4lr]

I don’t think that’s how it works

[@functionalvanconversion4284]

​@@edc1569💯

[@JIm-w1b]

I had a 1971 Dodge Dart that caught on fire twice. First time was a cigarette butt blew back in the window, set the back seat to smoulder on fire, and interior was heavy smoke damage. Had to replace all the upholstery. Second time was a defective carburetor gasket that flooded the top of the engine with gasoline, the fire department got fire out with no real damage except burned up wires, wiper motor, and hoses. My left arm was badly burned and I was 3 weeks off work

[@reggosse3901]

Bless you for telling the truth.

[@jamesphillips2285]

You asked for examples of vehicles catching fire without being written off: Last year Rich Rebuilds had their Electric side-by-side at SEMA catch fire. Because the prismatic cells had built-in vents: they were able to push the vehicle out of the venue. They then let the battery burn itself out over a few hours. They were able to repair the vehicle just by replacing the burned battery (1 of 3). Video title 'Our first EV "Fire" at the world's Biggest Car Show'

[@petermercer5968]

Electric cars will be the most dangerous purchase anyone could ever make.

[@zoltanrudolf]

EXACTLY!

[@deniswauchope3788]

If having an EV isn't exciting enough, then there's always juggling chainsaws...!

[@leechjim8023]

​@@deniswauchope3788Oh well!😂🤣😂🤣🤪

[@henrycarlson7514]

So Wise , Thank You

[@jcm78]

Class 8 diesel trucks fare well with some fires. Seen plenty of total losses. Also have repaired many trucks after fires. It helps that it’s a law for them to carry an extinguisher on board.

[@Vragga]

Heat release rate is the difference between ICE and EV. This factor is the major reason for fires spreading so quickly.

[@suunto61]

Mario Andretti John Player Special F1 car. Fuel leak caught fire. Emergency response was able to keep pouring water on the car till the fuel expended. Car was repaired and back on the track the next day. Laguna Seca Historic Races. About 8-9 years ago.

[@KlanHoffman]

I've seen a few car fires that didn't result in total loss of the car.

[@MrFryfish]

...It cannot go any other way. Simply because an EV battery should not be left unattended to long by us humans.. A battery that apparently is discharged still pose danger for catching fire because inside there is a chemical reaction waiting to happend if get UNCONTROLLED. ...While a combustion engine fuel only catch fire and explode (and that is valid only for petrol fuel..) usually in presents of high volatility athmosphere.. and that is hard to get in open air environment AND you need a spark or a fire, flame.. for it to explode.. Diesel is not affected by it. You can have a lighter on or make as many sparks as you want near a open barrel of diesel fuel. Less of a chance to catch fire if you are a metre away.. (remember, not the same situation with petrol - highly flamable liquid). An EV battery? 🙂 it does not need air to start chemically react and become a fire ball... An Ev battery should be disposed and recycled as soon as it's life is near the end. Or many of use will ignore that and suffer the consequence...

[@MrAnimefox]

There's one thing we can all agree on, and that's any vehicle that has magnesium parts, is a pain in the butt to put out.

[@clayz1]

Good comparison. I have two ICEs, a 2003 and a 2021. Will not do EV ever. I worry about extended family who are into the mainstream EV scene

[@phillyphil1513]

Q: Why Do I Only Talk About EV Fires(?) A: well it's the proverbial "Hot Topic" right...?😉 1:46 - technically this was an "off highway" track setting, but two Porsche 911's (one at NJMP and the other at Summit Point) before we could get to them. as many may or may not know 911's can be spec'd with fire extinguishers from the factory, plus Porsche owners are some of the most passionate about their vehicles, so these drivers where up and out of their harnesses to save their expensive GT3's before we could blink.

[@monsterrun]

There is also the fsct many people ignore, but a lithium ion fire can reach 2400 fahrenheit, compared to a 800 fahrenheit gaz fire.

[@Cucumberflavoredmustard]

Not to mention that an ICE vehicle has to at least be operating, or very recently operated (hot) to have a problem- so the vehicle is attended more or less by someone nearby and alert. An EV can be parked in your garage for weeks on end, and all of a sudden...a surprise while you sleep!

[@anthonyalexzander2104]

The medical community tells us to stand a few feet back from a microwave oven when it is on, but they tell us it is ok to sit inside an EV. Anyone notice any headaches after driving their EV?

[@julesviolin]

There's hardly any ICE 🔥🔥 to report that's why 😊

[@MrTheHillfolk]

1:50 recently sunk about 15k into a project car thats worth nothing, but i spent an extra 100$ on a fire extinguisher for just in case.