ICJ Hearing: Self-Defense Is Not A License For Unlimited Violence: South Africa | Dawn News English

Lawyer Vaughan Lowe, representing the South African delegation, challenges Israel's arguments at the International Court of Justice (ICJ).
Lowe highlights the inconsistency in Israel's position, blocking investigators in Gaza while claiming insufficient evidence. He also rejects Israel's self-defense argument, citing three key points:
- Unlimited violence is not justified
- Self-defense cannot justify genocide, which is absolutely prohibited
- Self-defense does not apply to occupied territories
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[@rosemaryspiota9836]

"Self-defence" against occupied people is NOT a legal excuse.

[@patobolso]

Thank South Africa! Stop the genocide!

[@gudruns9664]

Israel is not doing genocide. God will protect Israel!

[@ClaireLavoie-qk2xe]

Please arrest Biden and Scholz!

[@TheWombat40]

And Albanese, Dutton, Wong, Netenyahu (and his entire govt), Blinken (and all the other Whitehouse liars), Shorten, Marles, Minns

[@mc-lb9dk]

arrest? use the american law system. the one they used on OBL or gadhaffi and many others

[@420Satan69]

American Servicemembers Protection Act of 2002. You can’t arrest Joe Biden. America will invade the Netherlands. And they will.

[@PauloAdriano-zo2ng]

​@@TheWombat40 How about *little Rishi Sunak* and *Macaroni?* 🤔 👀

[@Ann-oh6qw]

​@@PauloAdriano-zo2ngAdd Suella Bravaman. I just watched her on GBN. Breathtaking.

[@ashrafremtulla9565]

Bravo South Africa uou are the best snd doing thr great work of humanity thankyou

[@ummsalaamah9170]

🎉 Thank you Counsel of S. Africa. 🎉 It's sad for humanity that anyone needs to declare the elephant is in the living room - Apartheid. It's sad to re-convince the high court that genocide is happening and wrongful acts are occuring when it's openly televised. It's sad to see ignorance of those acts or that dissonance and indifference toward continual displacing of a people for decades. Are ICJ ignorant to their own rules or do they only apply to certain people? Do they not see displacing a nation through forced removal is wrong, or that killing of a people by an occupier is wrong? Or that an occupier can not call war against the people it occupies? Disturbing.

[@Jan-oc5rl]

Don't forget Sunak and all the other corrupt british politicians.

[@JamJam0189]

I see UK MP Jeremy Corbyn and the Irish government also support this ICJ hearing.

[@sylvieford9131]

Are you kidding me. South African government and humanity don't go hand in hand. They should get South Africa in order first. So much corruption within ANC government , poverty , High unemployment, High crime and murder rate....should I go on . ......not to mention problems , more then a decade, with electricity.....

[@juliemarshman6508]

South Africa stood up for International law and humanity . Whatever happens South Africa should be proud as a country of doing the right thing , when the rest of the world failed.

[@belkiztukus6641]

Thank you South Africa

[@lktan224]

Yes, Please.

[@aquarius1500]

For you tried your best South Africa looks like there's no hope anymore we love you though ❤️ 🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦😒

[@phillipaclemons7261]

In the eyes of the world Israel is a pariah state. Thank you Sth Africa

[@simonprice779]

@@aquarius1500 that was too be expected when south Africa couldn't provide any proof

[@simonprice779]

@@phillipaclemons7261 so is south Africa. What are vw polo's known for in your country?

[@shaheempashua6924]

As a South African i could not be more proud of this team and i know our former president Nelson Mandela would have been as well.

[@jortxing]

A couple of days ago I explained my 7 years son who was Nelson Mandela, his fought against injustice and for human rights. Love and respect for South Africa from Spain. Let Gaza live.🇵🇸

[@simonprice779]

How's crime in your own country? 😂😂😂😂

[@simonprice779]

​@@jortxingplural noun: repercussions 1. an unintended consequence of an event or action, especially an unwelcome one. "the move would have grave repercussions for the entire region"

[@mogamadgreyson143]

​@@simonprice779We are not being bombed,,,and you???

[@claudinedevries9477]

​@@simonprice779 Gaslighting doesn't change the facts that are there for all to see. Sit down

[@Method9]

Self defense isn't 7 months later.

[@_SnowJustice_]

100% TRUE

[@kidicarus2768]

Facts

[@jeannedarc5521]

Exactly 👍

[@ClaireLavoie-qk2xe]

It is premedited self-offence!

[@adoty2158]

Wh didn't they focus on getting their hostages back? netanyahoo didn't care. He just wanted to build his beachfront home in gaza.

[@user-wx9xx7yd5b]

the occupier HAS NOT RIGHT to self-defense.! Great South Africa

[@cdf3141]

Thank you very much South Africa 🤗 🇵🇸❤🇿🇦❤ 🇵🇸❤🇿🇦❤

[@DrKhaledAlBoraie]

Thank you South Africa for standing up for humanity ❤ May justice prevail and Israel got convicted

[@JuneMontchaikul]

Thank you South Africa for being on the right side history! Free Palestine 🇵🇸

[@jjboys215]

S. Africa ain't letting this go!!! I think S. Africa is the leading contender for The Noble Peace Prize

[@staticcouch135]

They are too good for Nobel Peace Prize. The Nobel Fool Prize has lost all credibility. They gave it to a bunch of warmongers and claim for Peace. SA deserves better.

[@samiaelfarolucchesi9193]

Concordo. Merecem!

[@jonye7511]

Noble prizes are not for the corrupt.

[@staticcouch135]

South Africa is too good for the Noble Peace Prize

[@Isaacayo1]

"How could people who look like us and talk like us be involved in genocide". True statement.

[@khismet]

You mistake them for people. They are not. They worship Baal their god.

[@mackienzykahl]

@@khismet modern Jews indeed take up the tabernacle of moloch and the star of remphan- but God and Jesus will correct and punish this- not us

[@gudruns9664]

Israel is not doing genocide!

[@mikecorbeil]

Excellent statement(s) by Lawyer Lowe and it is great that South Africa has not given up. Cheers!

[@oguzibrahim5413]

God bless south Africa

[@susanhalkin2614]

"THERE IS NO CREDIBLE ARGUMENT THAT THIS CATASTROPHE IS NOT REAL"

[@gregasobo7378]

The magnificent demonstration presented by this South African counsel makes me want to be a lawyer. Brilliant.

[@Ncyaplado4]

Thank You South Africa❤

[@msalehtnt]

South African tireless bid to support the Palestinians, who are being demised by the Israeli, gives hope that there is still some justice and good out there. Thanks South Africa

[@jonye7511]

Not inside SA there isn't.

[@misshope795]

The International Court of Justice (ICJ) has a responsibility to address the ongoing genocide of the Palestinian people. By failing to hold Prime Minister Netanyahu and his Likud party accountable for their actions, the ICJ is complicit in this crime. The ICJ must issue warrants for the arrest of Netanyahu and his associates and bring them to justice.

[@mol7981]

Absolutely!

[@josemwamba3414]

Sure

[@waltermesser9737]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@ejimayang3687]

Anything less than these demands should cause ICJ to lose credibility and subsequently cause member states to withdraw their membership from the ICJ forthwith.

[@samiaelfarolucchesi9193]

Quem dera.....isso é um sonho!!!

[@420Satan69]

I’m Canadian. And I love the Netherlands. But my neighbours to the south piss on this court and they will not head their orders. It’s pointless.

[@hiltonwatkins6750]

I think the judgement from this court may be something that Israel needs to pay attention to. There are several nuclear states which could enforce the ruling very effectively, just by issuing a demand coupled with a threat of total annihilation if they don’t obey whatever the ruling is. I wonder what the USA would do if either Russia or China issued that sort of challenge to Israel given that they have the power to make Israel a footnote to history. 🇨🇦

[@420Satan69]

@@hiltonwatkins6750 the USA would issue a nuclear threat of their own. Israel basically already has issued one. With the history of sectarian violence it would warrant the UN send in peacekeepers.(won’t happen) You can’t have a civilian population destroying food aid for a starving population. Peace make if they have to. I honestly believe if the USA stops providing weapons to Israel. Russia will provide them. Your best bet would be China. Putin and Netanyahu are pals. Netanyahu would also push his red button before he let Israel become a footnote. He’s also got a pool of goons lined up to replace him. Republicans are huffing and puffing about going into The Hague to free any Israeli brought in for war crimes. Doubt they have the support for that kind of thing.

[@Parallax982]

@@hiltonwatkins6750 That will never happen. Israel will simply lose whatever shreds are left of the veil hiding its atrocities. Perhaps that might have some impact on the Biden administration but I doubt it. And Trump would be many times worse.

[@mogamadgreyson143]

​@@hiltonwatkins6750before I could wipe my eyes out their was a warrant of arrest for Putin but ICJ can't mention the word genocide not ceasefire for the Palistinians,I don't have any confidence in any of these people anymore..

[@mackienzykahl]

@@hiltonwatkins6750 eh but God has helped Israel survive outnumbered 30 to 1. With God none can stand against them.

[@karllossemmeddo1832]

NOT ! Occupiers * Aggressors * Oppressors and Thiefs, have NO rights to self defense. Armed Struggle, is legal under International Law. God Bless Freedom Fighters Forever. Love to Palestinians from Senegal 🇸🇳❤ 🌍🙏

[@abdulwahid7561]

"Self-defense is not a license for unlimited violence " a super crossing, argument.

[@patrickcloutier6801]

The memory of the HOLOCAUST is not a license to kill.

[@jeannedarc5521]

Indeed and why not all other human beings that have gone through extermination we are never reminded of!

[@jonye7511]

Neither is religion.

[@ivanauletu]

Historical significance of Holocaust has become void and nill by the current actions of Israel.

[@user-zc6dn9ms2l]

starving tactid is not self defense

[@jonye7511]

Neither is taking children hostage.

[@user-ns9up4fx2d]

Very clear and lucid argument for ensuring action. If the icc has any point at all it should ensure it is effective.

[@kevinhay3778]

The court is a joke.

[@joycekweyama6383]

You mean that Unite Nations is deaf and dumb because it not ICJ that makes decisions. It is the UN

[@FariedaLukie-gb4pr]

Joke created by whom

[@joany531]

Self-defence, my ass. They have been doing this since 1948

[@happykitten5695]

Peace and LOVE Upon ONE and ALL

[@jeannedarc5521]

Same to you 🫶🏼🤲🏻❤

[@abdusaziz1266]

Offences committed by zanist entity are as follows: 1. Forcefully grabbing land 2. No food, water, electric, gas, fuel, medicine and human necessities 3. Killing innocent people of Palestine 4. Killing innocent journalists 5. Killing aid workers 6. Transportation block of goods 7. Mass Graves 8. Discrimination against Muslims and Christians etc 9. Distorting mosques, education building, churches, homes, civil government building 10. Using Ai system to target Palestine people 11. Road structure distoying 12. Killing people of while a live 13. Killing of doctors and other health professionals. Etc

[@frankthetank8050]

Absolutely correct, you only forget the last point in their devious MO, after a litany of unspeakable atrocities: *Claiming to be the victim*

[@kidicarus2768]

Can't forget that​@@frankthetank8050

[@MrDeap]

You forgot about mass ads of perjury.

[@byomar1]

1. Right of self defence does not given Israel the right to commit genoside.

[@elisadearmas9778]

Congratulations SOUTH AFRICA👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@khalidrashad-xu8xe]

The ICJ believes that slow and steady will eventually make everybody forget the issue 😅

[@CowboyConan]

It isn’t self-defense if it’s on someone else’s territory.

[@user-ic7mv6bj4w]

God bless south Africa.

[@user-ic7ew7vc3i]

Very well said. It’s a shame That even the ICj cannot stop Israel

[@lktan224]

Behind the ICJ is the monster USA staring down at them.

[@user-ic7ew7vc3i]

@@lktan224 True . Shame On The US Government

[@user-ks4yn4qq7m]

Self - defense ? How stupid We must be ?

[@Multipurpose_Channel]

Why is this so complicated when it comes to Israel? If it was another nation, they would never hesitate to say no to this or take serious measures about it. History is repeating itself over and over again.

[@Parallax982]

Israel is mostly white. It's a huge military asset for the western powers, a vast military base of sorts. Also, the Israelis have enormous political clout. They have bought the U.S. Congress. And the western mainstream media.

[@claudinedevries9477]

Exactly

[@samiaelfarolucchesi9193]

Dá uma sensação bem ruim....

[@NomesMiniChannel]

Money

[@purplerose5]

Had not enough truth been presented before you? And you are still not doing anything! Why??? What are you waiting for??

[@samiaelfarolucchesi9193]

O que ganha continuando inerte???? São corruptos???

[@laveriteaumaroc7480]

This is very important what he said there is no self defence for an occupying power and that is the international law if their is still one.

[@sefuriyembe7864]

Where is ICC arrest warrant for Netanyahu. !!😮

[@jonye7511]

They're first looking for 3 others in Qatar.

[@zandimoms8202]

Maybe still counting $ from US

[@twenty4665]

They went all out for Ukraine and just watched as Palestinians be brutalised 🤦🏿‍♂️

[@omarguled9209]

Because the occupation of Palestine is sponsored by oppressive colonialist states

[@ranithajayamanne5482]

Unimaginable Horror❗

[@The-Man-Right-Chea]

😢😮😮Can someone please explain to me again why no European nation including the US wanted these people in their country before during and after WWII????? What did they know that we are now finding out???? 🤔 😮😢

[@zandimoms8202]

Valid question

[@akbarfarzin9857]

75 years self-defense 😂😂😂😂😂what you doing that you Need self defense????if you don’t do any crimes or criminal acts you don’t Necessarily need self defense!!!! You follow the LAW only!!!

[@twomako9]

stop now and face justiceisrael

[@amarjitbains3006]

Very proud is South Africa for standing up for Justice and Humanity while other countries stood aside and watched

[@jonye7511]

The SA government you mean?

[@unggrabb]

And selfdefence is not valid under international law when violence erupts in a territory illegally occupies. It is as simple as that

[@SHAZIASADLER]

I CAN NOT BE MORE PROUD OF SOUTH AFRICA. HOW STRONG AND BRAVE THEY ARE❤❤ MY NEXT VACATION DESTINATION IS SOUTH AFRICA❤❤❤

[@phillipaclemons7261]

Thank god for Sth Africa. You exposed to the world Israel’s intention of EC and G

[@kevinhay3778]

You have no power. This is a very, very, very bad world.😭😭😭😭😭

[@evanfirebrand]

Amandla!! ✊🏼

[@JoseManuel-jd1yr]

Wethu❤❤Sweet people of 🇿🇦 we love

[@bilkees8151]

Awethu! ✊️

[@zandimoms8202]

Mayibuye!!!!!

[@mohamedtoure7793]

Thank your ICJ for your honesty integrity dignity courage compassion humanity

[@user-fq3jv9pb1o]

South Africa we salute and respected you all .

[@augenbutter]

Self revenge, not self defence!

[@fyzalamin127]

How it said self defense when involved more than 10k children deliberately targeted..

[@myalimda1498]

Luv S. Africa...❤❤❤

[@hubreydavid7864]

Why can't United Nations have peace keeping forces in Gaza,?????

[@freedomfighters101]

Please arrest SatanYahoo

[@vonfloryanzia138]

I guess we will now be able to see where the.power lies. Stay tuned. And may the Most High bless you South Africa for standing tall in the face of such ....💫

[@knightsandknaves]

There is a troubling reality that often goes unspoken: Palestinians find themselves in a position where their suffering can be overlooked or quickly forgotten. A significant aspect of this is rooted in cultural practices; the majority of Palestinians are Muslims who traditionally bury their dead within 24 hours. This rapid burial can inadvertently minimize the visibility of casualties in the eyes of the international community, potentially benefiting the IDF. OUT OF SIGHT, OUT OF MIND. It's crucial to acknowledge and address how these dynamics contribute to a cycle where the gravity of loss might not be fully recognized or remembered.🕊️🇵🇸

[@waltermesser9737]

BS

[@eugeniovazquez1483]

Brave man speaking the truth❤❤❤

[@laveriteaumaroc7480]

ICJ reputation is at hight risk if nothing is done no one would never ever forget they will loose their credibility forever. It will be considered as a tool designed against weak and poor countries.

[@RawsSimone]

God choosing people think they above all law

[@y.s7787]

It seems they are

[@shaybritting6019]

BLESSINGS, APPRECIATIONS TO SOUTH AFRICA 🇿🇦, 🇿🇦 ,❤ STANDING-UP for D-E-C-A-D-E-S OLD BLEEDING PALESTINE 🇵🇸 !

[@realtrader9166]

Makes me feel proud to be from SA. Proud of the rainbow nation.

[@marjorielloyd-waluye2502]

The guilty defendant is absent during the ruling.

[@anabbashir2678]

Thank you South Africa for standing up for Palestine and for humanity. History will remember sacrifices and bold moves to protect and safe the blood of the innocent lives in Gaza

[@user-gh8eb3xs7f]

I said thank you South African for your bravery and humanity for Palestine thank you thank you

[@broaderknowledgerek]

Shame on all muslim and Arabic countries

[@thefinestsake1660]

Why?

[@salehmajeed]

How beautiful this proud white tone is when it advocates for humanity!

[@danl6558]

My confidence in ICJ is SOLID.

[@majharulislam1860]

Thank you South Africa. Arrest Nataneyahu and his associates.

[@antoniorogers1682]

These people are CRAZY.

[@michaelbowes9894]

The South African case will have the unintended (?) effect of legitimizing hostage taking as a tactic of war.

[@carlajoseph5091]

So far,, the settlers,, has been ripping up,, shredding,, the laws.(what song is this for again?)

[@waltermesser9737]

Why not?

[@rahatqureshi264]

Still all leaders are quiet and International court are only talking

[@JoseLopez-ys2oz]

The artificial colonial settler state of Israel claims that it has the right to defend itself against the indigenous people of Palestine. Israel, however, has no such right, under international law, as the occupier of Palestine. And, even so, that would never mean that it would have the right to commit genocide! All of the governments that are today unconditionally supporting Israel’s genocide are not democracies. How could they be? In order to be a democracy, a nation must have morality. Where is the morality of these government leaders who openly support genocide? Genocide is the crime of all crimes! Fortunately, most nations are opposed Israel’s genocide. Unfortunately, most international organizations and institutions are puppets of the US’ Empire. Therefore, the global majority will have to force the US and the West to comply with international law, because they will never do so voluntarily. You need morality for democracy!

[@Khan10650]

😢💔

[@shahnaziqbal7353]

What bout the gravies

[@robertshipley6990]

And amen

[@meloneypullen8746]

U love hearing yourself speak, but the action you lack, action speaks louder than words ! We'll see 👀 😏

[@mrdarbab]

Real charges would really stick. Thanks for coming out, and nice hair by the way. What friggen year is this?

[@claudinedevries9477]

How does it get more real than this?????

[@buddadavid480]

The world love South Africa for loving the people of Palestine. Free Palestine land's 🇵🇸 ❤

[@kevinhay3778]

Why no jury?🤔🤔🤔🤔

[@mol7981]

Very powerful!!! 👏👏👏

[@taslimakabirzaman3656]

True

[@lukeforbes4851]

What is investigation without result?

[@Corteum]

Three key points: - Unlimited violence is not justified - Self-defense cannot justify genocide, which is absolutely prohibited - Self-defense does not apply to occupied territories

[@JamaMohamud]

Thank you so very much south Africa as you are defending Palestinian civilians those were massacred by Israeli administration.

[@selvalingam1263]

Did ICJ called it down the middle ?

[@nanabeenyi4016]

ICJ order was not effective because ICJ itself is not effective

[@somaligirl1860]

The first year

[@MomoBar91]

The University Network for Human Rights (Yale, Cornell and other law schools) conducted a thorough legal analysis and concludes that Israel has violated its obligations under the Genocide Convention and therefore commiting geno-cide. The report ist out now on their website.

[@y.s7787]

Can you add the link? Or be more specific as to whos website?

[@MomoBar91]

@@y.s7787 It´s the website of the "University Network for Human Rights"- just give that into google with the word Gaza and you will easily find it. At least it was the first thing that popped up when I searched for it after hearing it on democracy now!

[@MomoBar91]

@@y.s7787 Sorry I answered you but my comment seems to be deleted. It´s the website of "The University Network for Human Rights"- just give this in your search engine with the word Ga-za and I´m sure you find it. It was the first thing that popped up when I searched for it after Democracy Now! reported on it.

[@kevinhay3778]

The court is a fucking joke.

[@mmilon1871]

Occupiers never right it's self defence in other's country or other's terotory . They're activitys dangerous than terror .

[@SoStupidTrader]

Do something and less speech or people's will less believe in law.

[@johnpiscitello6204]

I hear a lot of talk but no action at all just a lot of talk

[@byomar1]

The actions taken by various groups including Hamas are due to Israel colonial actions in Palestine over 75 years ago. The Palestinian Arab initially gave Israel families seeking help to set up their homes, but their Numbers increased over time. With US and other jewish organisations help the jews declared war in 1967 on the Arab states. The Arabs were not prepared they lost the war. Israel now acquired illegally Arab lands and the rest of Palestine except Gaza and Rafah. The world is in the know on this. Israel lobby is killing USA democracy. IT is public knowledge that 80% of US politicians are subdued by Israel lobby. That is why the US President is so supportive of Israel. IT is high time Americans fight back stop Israel lobby From destroying Your democracy. Elect ONLY a President WHO does not recognise Israel Lobby.