Iconic Bike Brand Experimenting With Gearbox Drivetrain | GMBN Tech Show 329

[@gmbntech]

What was your favourite thing you saw at Sea Otter this year? Let us know in the comments!

[@tim__sadler]

#gmbntech - The Frameworks Racing DH rig with actual bonds looked tasty - but throw in that top-secret Fox suspension and it is elevated to something really special.

[@Loscrik]

I really want to see where these gear boxes end up.

[@robbchastain3036]

Just the entire collective, luv all the creativity and the passion of the fabricators and reps and even the song and dance routines, why not, we should all be riding and singing in the rain and having fun in that warm California sun. 😀

[@DNDinitials]

I went on Saturday and loved it. Possibly the wolf tooth booth because I’m a big fan. Other than that, just seeing all the new tech in person😁 the D3O booth was also sick, especially the vanquish grips based on the feel and tech. It’s very hard for me to pick a favorite.

[@Cassie_MTB]

I'm riding a Gearbox All Mountain Nicolai since last year. 12 speed, 600% gear range, really playful b/c of the light rear, with Belt drive nearly maintenance free. I'll never go back to derailleur type bikes...

[@actionong]

E shift?

[@Cassie_MTB]

​@@actionongno, I'm not a fan of these electronic components on a Bike, the only thing with a battery is my Garmin. But it's possible with the Pinion Smart Shift system.

[@Chops00]

Gearbox for DH makes so much sense. I’m always rattling my limiter screws loose, breaking cables, and bending hangers or cages on my DH bike.

[@mattstoner7027]

Zerode launched their G3 DH bike with pinion gear box about a year ago.

[@joehoeper4648]

Stoked to see more gearbox experiments

[@Kim_Miller]

Interesting names for those Vittoria tyres. Peyote is a cactus from Mexico with psychoactive properties, and Mezcal is an alcoholic spirit made from cactus. It covers a range of types because it can be made from a range of cactus varieties. Tequila is a mezcal made from Blue Agave, other agave plants give a different spirit. So between the booze and the psychoactive stuff there might be a good story behind those choices of tyre names 😀

[@wayneharris9394]

Look out for Blenki on the Zerode gearbox bike at Fort Bill. He is loving that thing

[@olibrown4270]

Idk if they are the last 5 years but dropper seat posts are one of the best things to happen to hard tails and full suspension bikes alike

[@Morpheas001]

Don't forget about disc brakes!

[@markmoreno7295]

The most interesting? Had to be the Gates Carbon belt booth. They had the Zerode Katipo with the Pinion gearbox. It was a simple but elegant build with no fancy swing arm kinematics. I was lucky to test drive one with the Electronic Shift. Amazing. So while Intense is moving in the right direction are they too late? Not if they can provide a home grown option for a much better price. Gotta love Sea Otter!

[@matthewperry1308]

Would absolutely love to watch Owen try/fail at DH! 😂

[@LaurentiusTriarius]

Holding the fort with the beanie on. Don't let the EMBN guy bully you 😂

[@justsayin3600]

It looks like that cap is going to explode! That hair is wanting to break through! There has to be a market in a cut out skull cap.

[@zephyrmansor]

I've been eyeing the Nikolai Saturn 14 GPI for years now. Pricing-wise it is a bit out of reach for me (not a Dentist). Drawn to it cos of the easier maintenance of the drivetrain in the long term. None of the associated issues with the current 1x drivetrain setup. Hopefully in the future the trickle down affect will get more brands on board with the gearbox. Fingers crossed.

[@tim__sadler]

#quiz Mountain biking made it's debut at the Olympics in 1996 - hence quite a special event to win! (pretty impressive considering the first World Champs was only in 1990)

[@RobHill00]

Makes sense for DH especially if they can do custom gears!👍🏻 definitely get Owen racing DH!😂 still waiting on his 7 speed dual hub build?🤔

[@justsayin3600]

That Intense bike brought tears to my eyes 🥹 I've been waiting for a U.S. Pivot metal, long travel enduro/ free ride. I guess we're not there yet but it is my dream bike. If REEB comes out with 1 first, they have my money. Yes, I'm the guy who is all in on a Pinion-metal long travel ( adjustable) hard hitter.

[@dougnico2492]

Why the need for US made? Everyone know the best frames come from the UK

[@ChampyOnPC]

I would love to see you on any bike Owen!

[@ericpmoss]

You nailed the pronunciation of 'peyote'. Now to practice 'Campagnolo', in case you ever need to ride a road bike. :)

[@LittleStar261]

I still don’t know how to pronounce Campagnolo so I just say “Campy” haha

[@mealex303]

today I saw the bike my dreams were unable to even create in my mind even though money is not a drawback and my brain could mix everything and anything I've ever wanted in a bike together. but still the all chrome pole electric mountain bike is outstanding and it's beautiful not to mention it's all cnc machined and designed to perfection in my eyes ❤

[@ksor_mtb3359]

Let’s see Owen DH shred clips 🤙🏽🤙🏽

[@plepgeat]

I like gravel, although my gravel bike is a custom-geometry steel-tube rigid Sycip drop-bar with full boost spec which - per some people - makes it a mountain bike.

[@pedrosanciny6345]

Pinion gearbox can be good option for enduro or trail bikes too. It just needs to be reliable, which I am not sure if it is right now. I saw some testing in terrain and Smartshift didnt perform very well.

[@die4nothing_gaming]

what is happening with the xc tires all of a sudden having a thicker and heavier 60TPI wall considering that there was an emphasis on using a lighter 120TPI wall a couple of years ago

[@zethjugos1250]

Softer casings tend to blow out when used for racing specially under hard cornering. Its nice for technical riding but xc races have evolved and now include more trail and rocky sections. Being able to finish the race with the least amount of issues is top priority

[@die4nothing_gaming]

@@zethjugos1250 that helps explains it, i come from more of a downhill/enduro/trail bike background where it is very common to see 80TPI through to 45TPI casings. I personally have an old tire that is 27TPI, but it is at least 7 years old and i cant make out what brand it is, so that is all i know about it

[@michaelheselton4370]

#quiz Mountain biking (cross country racing) was first made an official Olympic sport at the 1996 Summer Olympics in Atlanta

[@aksting]

The 1996 Olympics women mountain bike race was the very first.

[@duncanurquhart6508]

Gearbox would have been brilliant in the UK mud this winter to reduce drive train wear

[@Velo1010]

You’re one of a few that have mentioned anything good about the gear box. In my opinion if people don’t see the potential of this gear system then they must be riding steel hard tails with 26” wheels and rim brakes. The gear box is just progression

[@duncanurquhart6508]

@@Velo1010 I appreciate it is not cheap as a new tech, but cost will come down. The derailleur is seriously old, and whilst I don't want to elecrify and computerise everything, I think a sealed unit that is less prone to damage and can survive winter mud must be better.

[@Velo1010]

@@duncanurquhart6508 that’s what I have said in other posts, but I had a few jerk offs who tried to trash talk my opinion. That type have a very shallow thought process.

[@arrogantcyclist]

Yes I've been UK riding with a rohloff, it's been great but the weight needs to be in the middle of the bike

[@Velo1010]

@@arrogantcyclist or reduce their weight with a lighter gearbox made from materials that reduce the weight.

[@robbchastain3036]

Great job, Owen, and just my vote but go for it with gravel tech. MTB is off-road, gravel is off-road, all forms of off-road riding are fun and I was part of the Sting-Ray crowd here in the States, for me it was 1967 when I got a Sting-Ray for my 8th birthday in San Francisco and that bike was instantly everything from riding around San Francisco with slightly older friends to flying straight down steep streets and zig-zagging back up and, O yeah, riding on the trails at the top of Twin Peaks and elsewhere and that's one thing kids on bikes knew how to do, find out of the way places and turn them into a dirt track of some sort. And into the '70s we added the Evel Knievel thing, too. 😀

[@LittleStar261]

Sting Rays were cool.

[@gopro_vlogs]

#ASKGMBNTECH I know you probably shouldn't mix breaks and fluids but I recently got some magura mt7 pro breaks and I only have shimano mineral fluid, would it be ok if I use the shimano mineral fluid in magura breaks as shimano and magura use similar fluid? thanks

[@brianflynn9928]

It was the first time MTB was an Olympic event.

[@martin5561]

This video was so intense...

[@bkaza]

Gearbox tech is pretty intense idea

[@feedbackzaloop]

Waiting impatiently for tubeless stop requiring sealant. Look, even concrete is self-healing now!

[@0T13]

Romans had healing concrete

[@feedbackzaloop]

@@0T13 ancient people were superhumans, duh, and had access to technology modern man considers alien

[@matt_acton-varian]

1996 was the year that XC Mountain Bike race debuted atthe Olympics. Still waiting for DH to make its Olympic debut.

[@dougnico2492]

I'd much prefer Enduro over DH

[@jespercarlsson740]

Gearbox all the way. Next bike I buy will have one

[@gmbntech]

Are there any potential bikes out at the moment?

[@jespercarlsson740]

@@gmbntech both Zerode and Nicolai are making great trail bikes with gearbox alternatives. Sure there is many more but I’m no expert

[@tmill2001]

Owen race DH!!

[@exothermal.sprocket]

What's the biggest holdup with enclosed, oil bathed cassette style transmissions anyway? Industry investment and entrenchment in derailleurs? Weight weenies? Seriously, it's not that bad. Propagation of the supposed negatives which are no more or less absent from the current transmission systems already? Companies wanting to sell brushes, de-greasers, and lubricants? Cassettes, bogies, and chains? Pinion, Gates, and other companies sole grip on this technology? It's not like Sram and Shimano aren't gripping other stuff.

[@AutiSam1974]

derailleurs = planned obsolescence in 2024. There's less profit in gearboxes over long time scales

[@chrisruss8332]

Gearboxes are the future Effigear and Pinion

[@JeffMTBinVA]

Owen, don't be hair shamed, drop the beanie. #ASKGMBNTECH I have a 2023 Vitus Escarpe CRX with Hayes Dominion A4 brakes. I want to upgrade my rear rotor from 180 to 203 to match the front. How would I figure out which post mount to get for this and is there anything else I should consider?

[@RanWithScissors-42]

#quiz - debut of MTB in the Olympics

[@jimmyz5831]

Anything that reduces drive efficiency is a bad idea unless it's an e-bike. IMO.

[@taz800]

The cross-chain in 1x is definitely more inefficient than in 2x or 3x... the added weight of the dropper post is added inefficiency... just saying...

[@AutiSam1974]

the worst thing for drive train efficiency is mud, grit and leaves

[@streddaz]

The pinion gearbox isn’t as bad as you think. It’s just over 90% efficient. A 1x drivetrain, in optimal conditions is on average 96% efficient in the middle of the cassette. At either end of the cassette it drops to 92%. Add some dirt and mud, and it drops even further. As @taz800 said, 2x and 3x are a more efficient. Is that where you want to go back to?

[@MrErtugerdem]

use with drivebelt less maintain i think.

[@actionong]

If it's a gearbox why not belt drive

[@gmbntech]

It could be for the ease of changing the chain rather than having to take the rear linkage apart to change a belt? 🤔

[@joaoesdevao461]

Finally a big Bikebrand use a Gearbox,with a Belt is my Dreambike,rearmags are obsolete bxllshit,but the big 2 S hate Gearboxes

[@glennicol1361]

Didn't see Issac for a while...

[@JackOfHearts42]

I relaly prefer Gearbox, mostly because i hate the word deraileiealur.

[@McSchwabl]

We want to see you ride a bike

[@gmbntech]

Head over to GMBN this weekend 👀

[@McSchwabl]

@@gmbntech real mountain Nikon not bike packing 😅

[@PsyMongSki]

#ASKGMBNMTECH I have a Tallboy V4 cc and love it its super capable and super light. Problem is with mud I get covered even just popping down to the road. Want to get a rear and front mudguard but am unsure what a can get for the rear, like the look of the bare Carbon ones from Rock Guards but I don't know if they will fit. You got any tips or better do you know of any rear mudguards that fit? Can I also get a direct mount for my front mudguard I have a set of FOX Float 34. Thanks love your tech shows😊

[@valciobanu]

Pole is going bankrupt😢 I hate how the baddest bike still have the week point of the derailleur. I’m dreaming to have a belt drive bike. This is the future. Every season I hit the derailleur bent hanger etc…. Horrible experience. I hate my derailleur. And I don’t like electronic variants

[@boogiedownbronx73]

who does the welding at Intense bikes...really bad job

[@streddaz]

Really? Nothing wrong with the welding from what you can see in that shot.

[@MudmanDH]

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