ID.4 Runs Out Of Juice! Almost Made It To A Charger

I don't think McKayla will be pushing it quite to the limit next time
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[@brandenflasch]

Never a dull moment in the life of Kyle

[@MatrixJockey]

Or this entire scenario could’ve been staged just to have some content for this channel. You never know in the social media world. 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@viadharmawheel]

What we call J*cking Off...

[@Lynyrd_Evnyrd]

This just convinced me that every EV should have 240V V2L. We need to be able to use our EVs to rescue other EVs.

[@larsradtke4097]

Simply tow/regen charge….

[@spacingguild]

The F-150 Lightning has the capacity to charge other EVs.

[@uhjyuff2095]

@@larsradtke4097 exactly! 800hp truck and can't tow a compact vehicle 1.5 miles! The hack that Kyle was missing is you put the rubber tire on the back of the VW and push it with the Rivian!

[@larsradtke4097]

@@uhjyuff2095 I wasn't aware, that US Versions are missing the tow receptor. Wouldn't even come into my mind.

[@uhjyuff2095]

@@larsradtke4097 Did Kyle remove the fake license plate on the front of the car to find the tow eye location?

[@georgesackinger2002]

You couldn't script such a episode. Memories of when I was 20 and helping friends in tight situations. Heart of Gold Kyle!

[@ctuan13]

In order for the charger to work from a generator or an EV on board outlet, you need a neutral ground bonding plug. The charger is faulting because it's not detecting the ground and neutral being connected.

[@shawnl4073]

Just to tag on a little extra: some generators have a jumper wire that you can bond or unbound neutral to ground. And another side note: ordinary wall plugs have their neutral bonded to ground at the breaker box.

[@MrKOenigma]

That's true on most EV's... But why did it work on reduced amps?

[@jimi272]

@@shawnl4073 that’s false dude!!!! Idk how it’s in murica but everywhere else on the planet neutral isn’t ground looped, would be terrible to have current floating on the ground!😂

[@CondoreComputing]

@@jimi272 idk where you live but in north america, UK, and Germany that I know of for sure, neutral and ground are usualy bonded in the main service panel. How do you think RCD's and GFCI fault interupting systems function. They are bonded so that current has a place to flow ONLY in the case of a fault, they flow to ground instead of through YOU. The RCD or GFCI detects the current mismatch after that main bonding point and trips if it detects current flow. Of course there are a few diffirent grounding configurations depending on the age of instalation and if it is residental or industrial. But that is usualy how residential installs work. That's also how appliances and things like EV chargers can detect a ground fault and trip out because the ground neutral bond is the only place it has to refrence that the ground is actually connected.

[@fitybux4664]

@@shawnl4073 A little clarification: At the MAIN breaker shutoff box. (Neutral-Ground bonding should not occur in sub-panel breaker boxes. Neutral and ground should be separate there, and in every other panel box/etc.)

[@rusticroads]

Kudos to McKayla for being willing to be the subject of scorn from random judgmental commenters in order to deliver this cautionary tale. I don’t know many that would be willing to do so. Lesson learned by all, however, so thanks to her for sharing her experience! This experience would have gone very differently if you had a Lightning instead of the Rivian! Ditto if VW had included a tow point.

[@Johnnytvu1]

Gas all day every day

[@ALRinaldi]

McKayla needs to become a regular on the channel, or get her own! Really cool to see a normal person's experience with EV life and her personality is quite hilarious!

[@LordLoMR2]

She’s a real blond. 😂

[@RamBroGom]

@@LordLoMR2 definitely 😂

[@luciteck]

I’m sure it’s her personality that sparked your interest 😊

[@watershed44]

@@LordLoMR2 Nah...her eyebrows are brown....

[@TheNewbie78]

Bro wtf why do I sense something

[@ser9656]

We all need friends like Kyle.

[@cochiloco7974]

I think they are more than friends lmao

[@tedgray489]

I had the same situation with no tow hook on our BMW X5 i40e. The tow truck had to use the same approach to pull it up onto the carrier. It also was a 2.5 hour wait for our tow truck to show up. The 7kWh battery was able to get us to the top of a hill for cell coverage after a rock had punched a hole in the aux radiator and drained engine coolant. The car software shut down the gas engine but allowed the electric motor to function!😊

[@ewicky]

how on earth does an X5 not have a tow hook? major oversight

[@autotech226]

Call a friend and have them bring you a Gallon of electric

[@fitybux4664]

That might be like 10kWh of charge. (To equate to the same number of miles that you'd get from an actual gallon of gas.) That would require quite a hefty container!

[@TH3mrBROWN]

Seems a bit silly but genuine question: Would a generator work? 😅

[@clivesouffe5423]

🤦🏽🤦🏽🤦🏽🤦🏽🤦🏽

[@oladejikoledade6492]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@nevco8774]

@@TH3mrBROWN That experiment was performed at TFL KZbin channels: it has to be a special grounding since if the EV does not feel the grounding it refuses to charge from a simple gas generator. The computer in EVs is quite picky. The best is 240 V plug from Ford F-150 Lightning allowing to charge any EV while Rivian has a simple 110 v outlet.

[@apap1586]

I'm sticking with gas; no electric cars for me. 30 minutes just for a quarter charge. One minute full tank of gas.

[@janetshabani-qu7hq]

One day gas cars will be banned because you are making earth a doom planet so you can't live

[@javidam]

Awesome job from Kyle - and learned some stuff too... not so great incident, but good info for the rest of us. Now to go look to see if our vehicles have tow hooks and points!

[@adam33555]

Yeah it was great he was so condescending to her /s

[@armedpreacher]

I’ll stick to gas

[@JustWasted3HoursHere]

Well, lesson learned: If you are being told by the EV that you need to charge and are near a charging station, go to the charging station, even if you only need a few miles. Don't put yourself in a bad situation unnecessarily. One additional reason to do that is, unfortunately, because of the unreliability of some charging stations. The one you're waiting to go to might be down so don't put it off.

[@fitybux4664]

There are more issues than a charger station being down. Did you notice how even in this video he had to have a secret PIN just to use the charger? 😆 PlugShare is more like a map of tragedy, than a map of exactly where to go to juice up your car. I would never ignore the rating stars on PlugShare. 😆

[@rjsmith2007]

@@fitybux4664 The US charging infrastructure is a joke that's why. And it's sad.

[@lou7139]

Sorry for all those troubles but glad you all got through it ok. I always see these kinds of events as good learning experiences.

[@richardsmith579]

Yes, it was a brilliant learning experience for me.

[@donaldrubbful]

Kyle, you are a wonderful friend, and you have a wonderful way of explaining as you work, watched the whole thing with a great smile , it was a lot of fun to watch. Thank you

[@dennislyon5412]

It’d be nice to have a download once she’s digested the whole thing, as to what she should have done, but chose not to - so close to home - and yet she had the heat on when Kyle arrived. Make it something to learn from?

[@fitybux4664]

Maybe also a: Who convinced her to get into an EV, and does she hate that person now? Will her next car be a gas one?

[@evanharris5088]

That was nerve-racking. She’s lucky to have you.😊

[@chriswestenskow5202]

You need a Lightning so you can rescue charge EVs at 240V 24a

[@electricbird423forester9]

I thought the hummer EV could do it

[@chriswestenskow5202]

@@electricbird423forester9 From what I have read, that feature is expected the come to the Hummer EV in 2024 and it will support up 25a at 240v, so would support up to a 20a EVSE for charging another EV. I think the current Hummer EV is much like the Rivian in that the on-board AC power is very limited.

[@freddybell8328]

The Rivian is better though

[@chriswestenskow5202]

@@freddybell8328 I like the Rivian a lot and it is a great for for many driver’s use cases, but according to the video, rescuing a fully discharged EV is not a use-case that the Rivian is helpful for. I do hope that Rivian finds a way to make money on their vehicles and turn a profit before their startup $$$ run out. I’d hate to see them deliver 50,000+ vehicles then go under.

[@selbyjohnson5986]

Just need to remember that an EVs range is much less in cold temps. So don’t try and push it too much, it will run out faster than usual.

[@jelloMohnny]

Depends on how your EV calculates range. If it's algorithmic there should be no surprises. If you don't see much difference in your calculated range in summer vs winter, be extra careful. My EV is very conservative and I end up with more range than the estimate. Other EVs are the exact opposite - so you really need to understand how your car is calculating range for you.

[@chidorirasenganz]

Depends if your EV has a heat pump if so range loss is negligible

[@erebostd]

@@chidorirasenganz that’s just…well, not correct. Most heatpumps will work better than glowing wire when it’s not too cold outside, around 3-8 C. If it gets really cold, they fall back to traditional heating. The best thing to do is to preheat your car when it’s still plugged in. We have two EVs, one eith a heatpump, one without. With preheating at home or at the charger the difference is quite slim. But if you live in a spot where the temperature hovers a bit about freezing for longer periods, and you can’t preheati would invest in a heatpump if you need th3 range 👍

[@chidorirasenganz]

@@erebostd most of what you said doesn’t contradict what I said. I just stated that range loss isn’t very noticeable with a heat pump. Id still recommend preheating regardless if a EV has a resistive heater or a heat pump

[@erebostd]

@@chidorirasenganz I just wanted to lower expectations for people not into EVs. I too often see people recommending heat pumps as the solution for winter if you buy an EV, and that's not the case. In fact there were cases i recommend not getting one. Like one case where the owner drives basically no more than 60-70 miles a day all year round, and the heat pump would have costed 1200 bucks more. For that money he can charge for years, and the range he loses in winter are negligible, especially if he preheats in the morning. Heat pumps are great and shouldn't come as standard, no question. But since we are not there people should think if they need one, and they especially need to manage their expectations, they are no magical energy savers... that's all i wanted to say 😉👍

[@Michael-db4sn]

Interesting learning moment in running the ID 4 down to completely dead makes it harder than ever to charge in cold weather.

[@susanphifer9444]

My '21 ID4 rwd has a tow eyelet provided. This video made me look it up if ever needed.

[@davidws5439]

She learned a good lesson to STOP and charge for 10 or 15 minutes and that would save all these problems.

[@markfitzpatrick6692]

Yes there are as manny Ea chargers in Denver as my whole state and my city is larger than Denver.

[@shmadmanuts]

she might have gotten to the destination without climate control on max

[@uhjyuff2095]

@@shmadmanuts nah, why would someone drive the car and pass up charging stations knowing the remaining range is so low? It's really the exact same as running a gasoline car out of gas!

[@the_nguy9123]

@@uhjyuff2095 the estimated miles you can drive till empty is a bit off for gas cars. You can drive on 0 miles till empty on a modern gas car for 15-20 miles before the car dies. I think she thought she can do the same with her electric VW. She now knows the edge of how far she can push her car. And I bet she done this before. the only difference why she failed this time was during winter time battery doesn't last as long especially with heated seats and max heat control on. Not to mention its a new car for her and she is still learning everything about the car...even the green light when its successfully charging. I can guarantee you she will never go past 10% without panicking after going thru this. At least for a while.

[@uhjyuff2095]

@@the_nguy9123 so what your saying is you ignore the "low fuel" warning just like she does!

[@DaviDeXtA]

Mckayla is learning her sisters pain listening to Kyle talking ALL of these tech keywords I love it 😂

[@NoteAndroid]

Thank you for sharing your experience, which help others out there like me to make the decisive choice for the next EV I want.

[@Berycej]

Thanks for sharing. A ton of info packed into this experience. Soooo... Note to self... If no tow points... Let the Tow Truck Operator know to hook up to the control arm.

[@fbmassage123]

Thank you for such a great tutorial. 👍

[@blablabla1185]

Great lesson learned. Thumb up!

[@nikicollins5809]

So many gas powered car drivers have gone through the same thing. You walk to the gas station to get gas in a can or have someone bring you some, and refill. Can’t do that with an EV but let’s not pretend only EV’s are subject to being drained. It’s ultimately up to the driver to plan accordingly. I’m sure it’s a learning curve when you change over to EV. Thanks for this video! And Michaela MVP for being willing to document said experience.

[@samjam6989]

There are lots of gas stations and reading for gas is more accurate than EV for electric lol

[@nonamenoname4641]

@@samjam6989 don't be an idiot and make shit up. Mileage reading on EV is accurate in its own right. This was driver's fault. Plain and simple. People who end up in this same situation also misjudge their available fuel left.

[@samjam6989]

@@nonamenoname4641 I didn't say it's not accurate I just said the mileage might fluctuate due to cold weather

[@nonamenoname4641]

@@samjam6989 no it wouldn't fluctuate, it would just burn up faster in cold weather. Same technology that tells you how much percentage your phone has left is simply what's in EV cars just on a bigger scale. There is no bad reading. EVs don't like cold weather, they'll just discharge faster while in their resting state. That's it. Please stop with your logic. It doesn't work. You'd park your EV outside, expecting that it'd discharge by 2 to 3%, and you come back and it discharged by 5%, that's user error because users are taught that the rate of discharge is increased as the temperature lowers and to always take preemptive measures, so if you don't take any measures, it isn't the car giving you a bad reading, it's you not taking precautions to prevent the discharge. The rate of discharge is even accelerated once the consumption begins and the vehicle is in motion, so if you don't have a home charger and you parked home with 15%, you may be arriving at the charging station with less than 5% if it's within 20 minutes of your starting destination.

[@cubajakub1485]

I love how he loves electric cars so much he's so relaxing about everything. I love it, making me want an eV even more 😂

[@fitybux4664]

What if someone else was in the exact same scenario, but they didn't have AAA, and they didn't have a special secret dealership code for charging? I guess you're just stuck in a creek without a paddle. 😆 I have a PHEV and I see some manufacturers stopping their design of them in favor of EV only. Do manufacturers get that we're not ready yet? 😆

[@fitybux4664]

@@adas1988 sometimes it's also: "oh, our charging station is only for Nissan cars" or something equally silly.

[@jcadult101]

Stuck at a Chademo for 3 hours because we couldn't get the plug to release. New to EVs and thought it was the 12v. Ran that battery across the street to a auto parts store, but it checked out just fine. It was well over 110* F outside, let me tell you that was physically challenging. The charge station people were sending someone out and they showed up 2 or 3 hours later. But we had gotten the plug to release by running in and buying 2 metal nail files and were able to pry the button into the release position. Can't allow the chademo cable to pull on the plug at all or it doesn't release correctly. Been trapped 3 or 4 times. I spent an hour at a charge station examining it's operation and playing with tools to aid in releasing that button. Nail files, small screwdrivers, would work but we now keep an IC puller in the glove box.

[@fitybux4664]

😆 This could have been solved by a simple sticker on the charging handle that says something like: "Charging Station Must Release Handle" or something. 😆 Sounds like you had quite an ordeal.

[@gerthddyn]

I had to learn how to not have range anxiety when I got my Model 3 LR and it seems she'll have to learn how to have range anxiety. Tough lesson, but she had you to fix it for her. Given how expensive chargers are right now, I get the reticence to stop and use one, but it is very painful. She is going to run it out of juice again if she doesn't find some way to do Level 2 charging at home, especially if the garage is cold. It just takes too much power to heat up the batteries enough and power all the computers for them to accept a charge below 0C. I know in Denver even at 12A on some really cold nights I was getting 0 mi/hr (really was like 0.1 or something) this past winter. That was when I knew I had to get a Level 2 EVSE right away.

[@MrVeeBlog]

This is what you get with experience. Nicely done Kyle.

[@firesprk]

Kyle. Really like your videos. I just got a rivian this week. Awesome truck. I wish it had a 240 plug. This would have really helped here.

[@ericmaltz159]

Your videos convince me never to buy an electric car.

[@papadave9061]

Kyle, you're a good "brother-in-law". McKayla looked REALLY tired at the end of the vid.

[@stevenichols4639]

Which answer my question. She’s the younger sister. They look so alike.

[@Wendy-nm9zw]

Even I know better than too buy an electric car

[@-Enginerd]

A winch on the front of the car trailer Kyle has sure would have been useful here. I recommend obtaining some soft shackles for recovering modern cars that don't have great towing provisions too.

[@jhomen2003]

From Matt's Off Road Recovery

[@ericm4840]

I had a 2018 Buick Regal TourX (Opel Insignia) and it had removable plastic access ports in the bumpers that we (owners) all assumed were for tow or tie-down points. I got a tow eye from a GM car at a scrap yard but I found, when I removed the access port, there was no place to thread the tow eye. Others have reported the same with this vehicle.

[@brandenflasch]

Hell, I would’ve just hooked up the hitch. So weird that they would remove tow points.

[@markfitzpatrick6692]

The bolt ev has recovery hooks I saw Bjorn tow his friend pawel in a video a few years ago

[@unclej3910]

@@markfitzpatrick6692 Yep, my 2023 Chevy Bolt EUV has tow hooks.

[@ValiantRambler]

I have the 21 ID4 with a tow eye hook in the front bumper. Guess they must've removed it on the 23 model. Not sure

[@benjaminfallon1072]

Great content…sorry you had to lose sleep to get it!

[@cindyblumenthal2021]

I see several people have mentioned already. Yes, the 2023s do not have the toe eye or towing points. As was mentioned, (in the manual) if you have the toe hitch, you will need to use that. If there is no toe hitch, then there will be a toe hook physically attached and located under the rear of the car. There was some discussion about this situation on the VWIDTalk forums.

[@onederment]

It reminded me of an awkward situation ... 178 km fuel stop 200km on battery. Didnt account for mountain passes and temperature inversion. So now I prefer to have 50km extra to my destination. What a pal to have... Kyle is a hero.

[@klash761]

So much for an Ev.. I am having second thoughts now

[@donbrloks3959]

Thanks for jogging my curiosity. Just checked my Venza Hybrid. Has 2 removable tow eyes on grill and a fixed tow eye in the rear.

[@elde667]

Kyle has more patience with incompetence than I’ll ever have! Good guy.

[@Necrotron]

I once had a blown tire and needed AAA. Tire blew at 9 pm. Truck came to tow at nearly 9 am. Kept telling me it would be 30 minutes away. When the tow driver finally came, he explained that AAA doesn't actually pay attention to your location and uses your membership address' zip code as reference. If you go down within your county, you're good. But if you go down outside the county, AAA takes your location and applies your membership zip code to it, rather than the actual zip code you're in. This ends up sending tows out to places that don't exist or obviously aren't where you are. This is a common problem with AAA and apparently they simply won't fix it or acknowledge it.

[@greengrass89]

Dang! I would have thought it would revivify at least enough to make it another mile with the level 1 from the Rivian. If you had known you were going to wait 3 hrs, maybe just charging it would have worked 😆

[@reeceboyer1248]

This convinces me that I should not to get ev I’ll stick to gas or diesel. Thank you very much.

[@davidws5439]

That's ridiculous that Rivian did not put in nema 5-20, 120 volts plugs with 20 amps - 16 amp or 1,920 kw level 1. Rivian should have a nema 14-50 plug for boondocking so you could power an RV.

[@zerix01]

I would be surprised if 240v isn't included in a small refresh. The F-150 running circles around the Rivian's on board plugs is a common pain point it seems.

[@davidws5439]

@@zerix01 Let's hope for the good of the industry. I'm got a Cybertruck on order. I hope it gets here by 2024.

[@brandenflasch]

Very surprised the Tesla UMC was fine with the floating ground of the Rivian - most likely the faulting was due to the UMC killing charging due to voltage sag

[@chevrofreak]

I charged my Model Y off of a generator just to see if it would work, which it did, but the autopilot computer shut itself down and didn't come back on until the car slept overnight.

[@ATICrossX]

So much chaos, I love it 😆

[@electricandlspower]

Every ev needs a tow strap and easy place to hook it

[@rickeybarnes6471]

Yes my 2021 Y Performance has a toe hook ! No range anxiety 😊

[@kruemelfelix]

Every car needs that, not only every EV...

[@frederick6008]

Yay, you both deserve a participation trophy🏆

[@14helm]

I know in my Etron manual it states there is no towing hook when the hitch is installed from factory. Maybe it's the same as the VW?

[@benjamindbarr]

Most chargers need a reference ground ( like when your plugging into a generator) a quick work around I've used is to wrap the neutral and ground with a small wire then plug in.

[@andrewt9204]

I was going to recommend an EV to my friends wife, she does a ton of miles, but they're all short trips. She's ran out of gas a couple times and asks her husband to fill the car as she hates doing it for some reason. I thought well, if she just plugged in at home every night, she'd never have to worry about it. But, then I found out her phone is always dead because she never plugs that in either... lol, so I guess she's just hosed. To be fair she works a lot and is always busy, so I kind of get it, but still.

[@richardsmith579]

Yes, but still, I suppose, perhaps.

[@danzaokid]

there are some folks in this world that runs on empty. i suspect she is always late too?

[@samjam6989]

She should get a bike that way it will never run out of gas 🤣

[@samjam6989]

@@danzaokid cars at least have reserves after empty fuel tank indicator where you can drive 15 miles or so to nearest gas station. Anyone running out of gas has themselves to blame honestly

[@V10PDTDI]

hi I found a owner manual for the 2023 ID4 online and it states that if the car has no rear tow hitch it has a fixed tow eye on the left side under the bumper cover but if it has the factory installed hitch you have to use the tow hitch with the ball receiver that is not provided with the car I think but it shows the screw tow eye included in the emergency kit but not 100 % sure that it's there is the hitch is installed and I did not see in the owner book if there is a cover on the front bumper to install the tow eye if its not there it's not very smart move from Volkswagen to remove this item from the car.

[@fbmassage123]

Nice video. I didn't realize it was so complicated to get into neutral.

[@stephanweinberger]

The hard part is not getting into neutral, but deactivating the "anti-roll" feature.

[@fbmassage123]

@@stephanweinberger Okay. I didn't think about that. Thank you 😊

[@JDTaylor]

Kyle, On my R1T, if I plug in my Zero Motorcycle charger into the Rivian plugs, I get the same Red indicator (even when not plugged into the Zero on the other side). I notice that the plug circuit on the R1T reports as an open ground (not sure if that is the issue). I would love to know more about using the R1T's 110 plugs for emergency EV v2v charging.

[@CandycaneBeyond]

I think most people need to go through a class from the dealership or company to learn how to use a car. Then again I know people who think they can go a year without an oil change 😳

[@blackchristiangeek]

Wow! I'm a new ID.4 owner (day 9) and I got down to 5% earlier today heading home after my first road trip. Thank God I made it. Nevertheless, because my level 2 home charger has not been installed, I'm at a ChargePoint DC fast charger after my bedtime to make sure that I'm ready to roll in the morning. This is the part of EV ownership that I don't like and hopefully my level 2 will help with this and maybe moving to a larger market. Thanks for sharing a scary, yet happy ending story 🤓😇

[@DjNorad]

Bjorn Nyland did similar tests... When u deplete your battery deep into reserve... so far, that it doesnt move anymore, you need at least 2-3 kwh charge before it starts to moves again... your 1.5 hours at 0.8 kW charging is not enough for that.... he had mobile extra battery pack with 4 kWh capacity with him for this test.... and this pack was quite empty before the VW did move again..... --> you probably needed another 1.5 hours charging from the rivian to revive the id.4

[@virtualZ161]

Great content and info. Lessons learned for new EV owners.

[@shredmas]

I've had this happen a couple times I have a quick swappable 3 KW hour batteries for my electric dirt bikes. I bring one of those and an inverter plug the level one cord into the inverter put the battery in the trunk of the car then plug it in and leave it for 3 hours the car will usually then fire up and get to a a charge station as long as it's within about 10 miles

[@ardenthebibliophile]

The manual of the id 4 shows a towing eye on the front bumper towards the passenger side.

[@lakefiftyseven]

I think you found a new star for your channel.

[@0920121908250727]

Every EV driver needs a Kyle.

[@ouch1011]

Pro tip: vehicle manufacturer roadside assistance use the same local towing contractors that AAA does. If she hit the SOS button, she’d likely have waited just as long. I used to work for a towing company. Most of our calls were AAA, but we also got a bunch from insurance companies and vehicle manufacturers roadside assistance. Sometimes you’re actually better off calling a towing company directly and asking if they take AAA rather than calling the AAA dispatch. That said, after midnight, you’re not likely to get a quick service call from anyone unless you’re in a big city. The only time I’ve run out of electricity was in a similar situation. I was on the way back from a road trip. Went through a section where it was insanely windy, dropped about 0.5mi/kWh on that stretch and ran out of electricity about half a mile from the fast charger. I made it off the freeway and up the off-ramp, but it was uphill through a very busy intersection to get to the charger and I was by myself. Had to wait about 2 hours for a tow truck to make it 0.5 miles to the charger. It would be ironic if a German car has no way for a tow truck to hook up to it, since that is kind of a critical feature for them. I’m assuming you looked at the owners manual?

[@nroose]

How far are you? I have definitely gotten out of some of my cars and pushed them at times when I had similar issues. My 86 Ford Escort had a starter issue and I would park it heading downhill and just roll start it every time. Took friends on a ski trip and they push started me in the ski parking lot to get home.

[@rmac2592]

Mckayla dropping an F-bomb at 3:15. Hilarious. I can totally picture myself doing the same, and much worse, under a similar condition. Awaiting my 2023 Pro S Plus (Dec-Feb) so I am storing lessons from the channel.

[@dethpuck]

I was just thinking where is the VW cable, but then I remembered that 23 model years don't come with one. If only there was an Ice Machine in the middle of the road to plug into like Kyle's dad. And no tow hooks? Wow love my German made 22 a little more now.

[@mr-um9jr]

The ID4 might have reset when you left to checkout the VW charger, you could move it a little when you came back? So key being out of range and 5-10 mins for the BMS to reset

[@leonsmitherman5688]

Well…. At least she’s got her looks going for her… Kyle, you have extraordinary patience with incompetence… Cheers!

[@5roundsrapid263]

This reminds me of the scene in Apollo 13 where they spend hours figuring out how to minimize their current draw and get home…

[@chingwodapigu]

McKayla owes you big time!🤣

[@GregHassler]

The Rivian has a floating ground which is preventing the charger from working, the ground and neutral aren't bonded. You should be able to get a bonding plug to make it work.

[@Allison11111]

were would you connect the bonding plug too ?

[@fitybux4664]

@@Allison11111 a little bag of dirt (ground). (Kidding.)

[@Allison11111]

@@fitybux4664 that would make more sense then a floating ground connector..lol

[@craigc1879]

No electric for me , ridiculous

[@fitybux4664]

After 2035, all new cars in some states, must be electric. Somehow, things will need to change between here and there to make that happen. 😆 PIN code on a dealer charger. 😆 😆 Are they afraid of some stranded car charging in the middle of the night???

[@stevekight1955]

The little loops under the car are for tying the car down on the boat they ship them over on. They don't install them when they travel by train or auto carrier.

[@scottwilson2859]

Couldn't you have tied the tow strap to the lower control arm on the ID4 before the tow truck came? You only needed to go 5 mph down to Ed Carroll VW. You were fortunate that you didn't loose the 12V. I've rescued dead EV's where the hazard lights had run down the 12V. It really helps to have one of the portable 12V jumpstarting lithium batteries, just so you can turn it on and start charging after it's been towed to a charger.

[@canozturk5451]

Awesome job Sir Kyle saving the damsel in distress. Now please get back to your quest against the windmills (ie. broken chargers) to save us all. ;-)

[@sp3lllz]

does the rear licence plate fold down? I know on the ID3 if you get the toing hitch package its behind the licence plate perhaps its the same on the on the ID 4 for the recovery hitch?

[@earthlyrelaxingsounds7248]

This is why gas powered vehicles will always be better than EVs

[@DerekTYWu]

Hybrid is better too!!

[@davefitzpatrick4841]

If you watch Bjorn he often uses a battery pack , might be worth you investing in one for both tests and rescuing friends !

[@jenswinther8601]

One off your greatest videos……

[@kintaroju]

Hi, awesome video, I had one question as i didn't see it in the video, where on the car did the tow truck guy hook the car up so he can get it on the flat bed. Just want to know as I too have a 2023 model and don't want to be in a situation where the tow guy will not get it on the flat bed.

[@Inception..]

Them Bright ass Lights Love IT you can see everything

[@kingbran923]

I have driven pickups my whole life and only ran out of gas once or twice and that was on an 82 GMC with a broken fuel gauge. When I first moved here to the East coast, I was driving a lifted RAM 1500, never had any issues with that truck. I came across an older woman with a gas powered car that had run out of fuel, she was only half a mile from the nearest gas station, so I picked up her up and brought her to the gas station. I had a gas can in my truck from the recent trip I took myself. After getting fuel I brought her back to her car, I filled it for her, and then she drove off to the gas station to fill up. This happens to everyone at least once in your life, you just have to be mindful of the capabilities of your vehicle. The car I drive now, I've driven so low to the point where the instrument cluster was only showing 9 miles of range left. I was on my way to the gas station that was 3 miles away and I wasn't even remotely worried that I wouldn't make it. I don't push that hard all of the time, but I know my car's capabilities, I know the range, and I know when I need fuel. Still, I find it extremely concerning that there is no recovery point on this ID.4, if it did have a tow point and towing eye, you could have pulled it to the charger and you guys would have been done in less than an hour and a half.

[@MYJ61]

Maybe you should do a short video covering the pure basics of EV ownership and charging. Or at least give Makayla a quick course.

[@laloajuria4678]

charge when the car tells you. thats it. thats the tweet.

[@Charlesbjtown]

She moves like she's faded @ 3:08.

[@WinstonsGarage]

I love how you just StarLink with you lol.

[@morgdn]

oh sweet you have a gen 1 Range Rover! love it.

[@timgrinton6249]

Nice to see the unplanned incident. Sure it will happen to all of us at some time.

[@adamchoi8136]

Really surprised you don’t have the delta pro with the extra battery to achieve 240v. Glad it all worked out though.

[@markfitzpatrick6692]

Yes Bjorn was testing it by running out and charging with it

[@tri0xin]

entertaining yet stressful even in my recliner :)

[@connclissmann6514]

A true friend indeed!

[@HiiipowerdanniRuns]

Would love to see how having the Ford lightning would be as your work truck

[@2explorevideos]

Hey, idk about this vw build. With BMW the tow hook is behind the panel under the light on passenger side. ... I helped a neighbor a few winters ago, had to read the book to find out 👍

[@2explorevideos]

I'm guessing the VW has a similar setup.

[@Jeddin]

You could see them checking with a flash light for that panel. For some reason this USA built ID4 didn’t have one.

[@davidnielson9139]

According to VW, they want you to tow using the little "hooks" underneath the tow hitch at the back of the ID4. Most agree it was cheap of VW America to remove the eye from the car and a place to connect it in front.

[@Allison11111]

so could he have pulled her in the Rivian with the hooks underneath the back ?

[@davidnielson9139]

@@Allison11111 He could have using the tow hitch, though he mentions in another video he would have had issues towing it backwards on that street.

[@Allison11111]

@@davidnielson9139 I am expecting and ID.4 2023 , should I buy a tow hitch ? or would I just tell the tow truck to load it from the back. I just want to know how VW expects you to tow it. the VW was a mile away ? I think he would have been ok - it was after midnight

[@davidnielson9139]

@@Allison11111 If you get an AWD, the ID.4 will come with the trailer hitch. If you get a RWD, there will be tow hooks under the back bumper where you can attach a tow cable that allows you to be towed. This information will be in your owner's manual.

[@Allison11111]

@@davidnielson9139 I am expecting a RWD. I will be sure to read the manual and look for the tow hooks - thanks !

[@curtpadgett40]

Gas stations are almost on every corner. ..keep your Electric. ..lol