IDRIS VS POLARIS WHICH IS ACTUALLY BETTER?

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[@valhallasashes4354]

Correction: It's already been confirmed that the Polaris has been upped to Capital class shields. This was confirmed either last year or the year before during the talking ships segment for IAE. EDIT: My mistake it was in a special Inside Star Citizen segment at the end of last year. kzbin.info/www/bejne/pGKpm5aqpdBlp7c

[@Kalrisi_Rei]

+1; and other components like the power gen too!

[@c.g.1605]

I think the Polaris will have a single capital class shield

[@benyisg7633]

Polaris has a capital shield, it has been confirmed when they redesign it last year. Their website is not update like for many other ships.

[@vik12D]

They are up gunning the forward ventral turret too.

[@csdigitaldesign]

Polaris was already confirmed to have 1 cap size shield. Never trust the ship matrix. This is still less then the Idris however, which has 2 cap shields. Time linked when this was discussed (in it's entirety): kzbin.info/www/bejne/pGKpm5aqpdBlp7c Specifically straight to the component sizes: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pGKpm5aqpdBlp7c

[@Max_Flashheart]

I was going to comment. Capital Shield, Power Plant and Cooler.. Great comment and with links! Gold Star 🌟

[@MoltenMoronBeats]

The Polaris will get a size increase and the components are changed to all capital size now. (per Jon Crew and Inside Star Citizen: Finding the North Star | Fall 2022 Star Citizen. Further the Polaris got some weapons changes, but it isn´t really known what kind atm.

[@chadben1]

Btw, Polaris is larger than shown on the fleet view app. John Crewe said it has grown about 30m more than originally concepted.

[@marcuswynn89]

So it will be around the size of the 890j that’s still pretty good if you ask me

[@moriyokiri3229]

John Crewe did not say it grew 30 meters. It increased by less than 5% to reshape the hangar. Why are people making this stuff up. Go watch the video again.

[@marcuswynn89]

@moriyokiri3229 👀👀👀

[@ForgedHorizons]

Been calculated off hangar size to be 168 meters as opposed to the original 150. ~18m growth.

[@Kalrisi_Rei]

@@moriyokiri3229 Its at about 160 or 168m now; people did math on the whitebox they showed us at Citcon; and they did it off the floorplan when that was released. 5% would be roughly 8m in length; Give or take some iterative changes, definitely in the 160's; I think what OP thought about was the original size increase before they scaled it back down again; but yea not 30m

[@jgrizz7943]

@Marcus Wynn Polaris Has Cap. Shields, I tried to link it in but am not allowed so here is the Title. Inside Star Citizen: Finding the North Star | Fall 2022

[@garylewis4838]

I view the Idris as a multi mission ship. Send it for small incursions of pirates, humanitarian missions. Cargo missions and so on. The Polaris seems to be a capital ship killer. Sniping from long range.

[@Kapnoullas]

I think the Idris is a brawler where the Polaris is a hit and run / support. The Polaris torpedoes won’t hit any capital ship unless it’s defences are already overwhelmed or unmanned.

[@kyt4064]

Idris K has point defense turrets that are automated, but it’s not a manned CWIS. I’m excited to get my hand on them to see how effective they’ll be after implementation.

[@charliemcawesome5012]

With Crew being hard to put together…. The K becomes the best option for the Idris as it requires 4 less crew.

[@ethantyler4711]

​@charliemcawesome5012 OK... so.. can you explain the idris k weapons to me? I've looked online and heard different things. We get a size 10 beam weapon which sounds exciting as it could be real good dps depending on how long it's active and the cool down. Tbe other weapons though, they are just anti-aircraft missle turrets that replace existing manned laser repeater turrets?

[@kyt4064]

@@ethantyler4711 the missile turret does replace one mount, but it also included 4 point defense turrets that replace manned turrets on the others. Those would be automated and rely on CPU vs humans.

[@ethantyler4711]

@kyt4064 Thank you for the reply. I'm not sure if I want to replace my laser turrets with point defense turrets. The size 10 beam may be my only take from the K pack if I get it. Might wait for an org member to get it and test theirs out before I pick the k pack up. Thanks again 👍

[@kingknossosthebull9796]

Hello Shipmate. USS Eisenhower 93-97. Love the game, too.

[@marcuswynn89]

USS Pinckney DDG 91

[@kingknossosthebull9796]

Excellent!@@marcuswynn89

[@pirateradio8420]

I melted my A2 for the Polaris. The Polaris will be going up in price considerably once it is flyable, so during this Invictus event is your last chance to pick one up at $750. It will likely be able to transport the Nova, Centurion, and a Cyclone ground force.

[@marcuswynn89]

That’s a damn good trade!

[@NoOdL3z18]

Imo, in terms of Naval composition, the Javelin is the equivalent of a battleship, the Idris a heavy cruiser, and the Polaris is a destroyer. So, the Polaris would operate on the perimeter of a capitol fleet where it can take advantage of its speed and maneuverability, I doubt it would be wise for a Polaris to get into a protracted fight with an Idris alone unless it really gets the jump on it.

[@OneTwoMark]

Idris is just iconic at this point, and looks like what a military ship should look like.

[@vik12D]

CIWS/CRAM makes sense...but so does next level stealth for the Polaris with fast torpedoes.

[@jaykay6321]

EVERY capital ship from 890j upwards in size should have a built-in point defense system As far as I remember CIG intended to make EM and IR signature matter; simple explanation: the smaller your signature the easier it is to distract missiles or torpedos with countermeasures In that case, larger ships don't just have the space to house a point defense system (in a world with energy weapons you only need the gun, a cooling system and capacitors connected to the energy grid to work) it's also necessary. Because of their large signature they have almost no chance to distract missiles with flares of chaff Point Defense is something on the list they want to implement into the game however we don't know anything about it yet since they also didn't announce any change about how signatures work and matter more This wouldn't just change how large ships work but would also give stealth fighters like the sabre a unique role of an ambush predator

[@Jasonz1919]

The polaris has cap shields

[@marcuswynn89]

According to the website it has 2 large shields

[@Frank-os6gq]

​@marcuswynn89 it has cap shields cap gen, cap alot of components, watch the ISC finding the north star.

[@coreroot6922]

@@marcuswynn89 kzbin.info/www/bejne/pGKpm5aqpdBlp7csi=dSrLcBQyUEn-b3XE&t=529

[@votpavel]

i got polaris like 5 years ago😂, i got few other ships but at the end of the day- i can only fly one ship, so i will stop at polaris because its probably my favourite looking ship, i think the original interior was much cooler situated but whatever, at least they didnt touch the outside look. And i dont care how many crew i need,i just want to fly and explore shit on that polaris

[@NerdyWolff]

Just gonna quickly say, great video keep it up. But keep in mind the Polaris isn't meant to stay in fights for sustained periods of time, its a get in deal big damage get out type of ship. The turrets are mainly for defence. Also the Polaris wont be able to easily take out the Idris because it will have the PDS (Point Defence Systems) that will fend off the missiles, what the Polaris will do is come in and finish off the Idris once some other capital ships and fighters have disabled the PDS or at least have it distracted, so that the missile will finish it. This means the Polaris is only useful in groups such as, 3 F8Cs as direct impact fighters to deal shield damage (Most effectively with distortions) then you would have a few light fighters to go in quickly and take out the PDS then you would come in with the Polaris and volley some Size 10s at it, then we have big boom.

[@helloitsjay38]

Im so conflicted. I love the idea of the polaris but the idris looks so much cooler imo. I hope they keep churning out more capital and subcapital ships once things start rollin.

[@justicebrown1077]

Definitely would like to see at least one from each major manufacturer that would fit thematically. Ik Kraken is from Drake (so cool looking), Polaris Bengal and Pegasus are all RSI (as well as Retribution but that will never be in player hands), Javelin and Idris is Aegis. I would really like to see another by Drake (Im biased), and definitely some alien themed ones eventually. MISC, Crusader Industries, Anvil Aerospace, and Consolidated Outland all should have a capital ship. Each of them have military focused ships, with the exception of MISC but they could make a more industrial capital ship specifically for a fleet of smaller cargo ships

[@MysteicVoltronus]

Capital class ships are suppose to get PDS Point Defense systems to shoot down incoming missiles in the future, but that will likely be after the AI blade tech. And you most definitely can spawn the 890J at major ports like New Babbage, Orison, etc. The issue is the big girl is heavy and takes a looooonnnnnggggg time to get out of atmo. Spawning it at a space station is just faster and more convenient.

[@Jangmo_SC]

CWIZ is the PDS turrets they mention sometimes

[@lunarlegionaire349]

Yep most Idris variants have 4x PDS remote turrets for this role

[@machoalright]

Marcus, the shields have been upgraded to capital now. Its no longer have large. Also its a bit longer than last time. Not that much.. but a bit. I think you have some old info. Anyways enjoyed your review 07

[@okgo3763]

Marcus what is that software/website you're using to compare this ship sizes? I want to play with it

[@schlagzahne6741]

They kind of do have point defense weapons on both ships. They arent CWIS but standard come as gatling ballsitic turrets, which effectively do what you need to knock down torps. We fly around with Hammerheads in our org with mixed weapon loadouts where one - two weapons per turret are ad4bs, making them effective anti- torpedo weaponry.

[@TheRealHIPER]

on the subject of missiles irl being flared easily, its not true, if we were to look at the aim9x and the R73 (modernised) they are extremely hard to flare and can somewhat do a 180 to hit its target, only way to defeat those missiles *somewhat* reliably is by constantly pre-flaring, so to an extent SC missiles are accurate to not being defeated by flares everytime

[@marcuswynn89]

Pre flaring does work on occasion but it’s not always reliable it usually only works vs npc using that against players is harder to time

[@Vioblight]

Is it more reliable to use sounds, gunner shots, & protecting light/medium/heavy fighters to take out big missiles Will be interesting to see how all this balances out and how bull armor will be

[@iluminas2866]

And then there is the IRIS-T wich is basically unflarable with saved jet forms for id and it can target jets and rockets behind the Eurofighter

[@TheRealHIPER]

@@marcuswynn89 yeah that's true, if they implemented missile IRCCM into star citizen then I understand the missiles hitting quite often even with flaring/pre flaring

[@TheRealHIPER]

@@iluminas2866 I think missile IRCCM is alot more deadly than IRS-T, since IRS-T is mainly used for locking a target without giving out a radar spike to the target

[@chrisalexander2478]

Pretty good take on this. Damage Control is going to be real when resource management fully comes into the game. Now we need frame stations and water lines stenciled on the bulkheads, a 1MC and a Bosun to tell us when to sweep the ship LOL Yeah, I spent some time on ships too. I was a Marine flying helicopters off of Gator boats. When the ships with large hangars like the Idris & Kraken come out I'm going to have to get me a yellow deck jersey and stencil Air Boss on the back :D Gave ya a Sub to help the channel.

[@tychormthorp]

+1 for 1MC, I'd be so excited to stereo mix blast death metal across every deck

[@404-Err0r]

Personally if I had the crew numbers... an idris, with more fighters and capitol armor and shielding, it should be more durable. The show didn't showcase armor on the Idris, that's why it got clapped... wait till armor is in and we can then decide. But until then... the Zeus MK2 MR sounds good 😅

[@squirrellordsgaming2772]

Both ships serve two different roles in a larger scale of operation. Know your role and maximize your effort.

[@marcuswynn89]

I agree with that but I do think there is a possibility of being able to do more with the Polaris but we shall see

[@Brokenfang77]

Bro, are you following me? You're not allowed to comment on the same video as I comment on.

[@charlescassels3826]

⁠@@marcuswynn89I think this is correct. CIG stated in the initial release material that the Polaris was a multi role ship to support colonial militias. I look at it as an LCS with a lot of Baltic navy style missile frigate mixed in. Lots of flexibility and generalization with some heavy anti cap mixed in. The Idris is more of a dedicated combat platform with its flexibility coming more with what you bring in your hanger. If you can afford one or two ships get a Polaris. If you can afford a bunch then get an Idris… and a vulture, and that misc miner, and the Argo variants, and a fighter of your choice.

[@squirrellordsgaming2772]

@@marcuswynn89 oh, most definitely. There is more than one way to use any ship in this game. This game rewards people who are creative and can think outside of the box.

[@squirrellordsgaming2772]

@@Brokenfang77 You're not my boss. Also how have you been!? Long time no see.

[@Blackburn6969]

CWIS or Point Defense turrets are confirmed to be coming to the game, The 890 jump is said to have some herself as well. but obviously they are not implemented yet.

[@LunarLizard]

They both have their uses in the grand scheme of things, the Polaris is like an attack submarine its make to dump its torps and run where as the Idris is built for a sustained fight. Pair them up together and you have a hell of a team. The idris's fighters could escort the polarises torps to their target and the Idris itself could act as a body guard for the Polaris

[@themanyouwanttobe]

I don't think there's any question that the Polaris is more value for the price, especially when factoring in the maximum Warbond CCU discounts in a chain. Whereas the Idris can only be bought standalone and needs another $250 to actually have it combat-ready out of the gate with the K-upgrade. Though the K-upgrade does provide 4 PDS turrets, which should knock out some torpedo threats, similar to a CIWS. When you're in a fight, though, you aren't really thinking about how much of a deal you got. You want to have the equipment to win the fight and unless the Polaris can catch the Idris completely with its pants down, I think the Idris wins that fight in most cases. The 3x larger hangar also provides more utility as a base of operations. The Idris is over double the price of the Polaris and that price should have some justification.

[@marcuswynn89]

That’s a good point

[@redslate]

The Idris K has point-defense weaponry (equatable to Phalanx). Pretty safe bet that any military capital ships will have point-defense options. Also, there are real-world missiles that can re-acquire targets and reattempt an intercept. Success rate goes down, but they're there.

[@joesmith-tr2nj]

Great Video, Chocked full of info & keeps it real. Also gets straight to the point. Thumbs up ^ and Subscribed

[@hordthewarlord6201]

the K kit comes with CIWS; it'll have several PDS (point defense) turrets (unmanned)

[@MineyM0]

Besides CWIS significantly enhance the capital ship survivability, it would be really cool to see those in action. I just get strong Battlestar Galactica vibes from these ships haha

[@takealready]

My problem with the Polaris is that it's to good to be true. Since it was announced, myself and everyone else has drooled over the ship. However, I feel that we're hyping up the Polaris so much that we will end up disappointed somehow. Besides the Banu Merchantman and the Kraken, no other ship is as hyped as the Polaris. With the BMM and Kraken we know exactly what those ships can do. But with the Polaris, it's like the jack of all trades master of none.

[@marcuswynn89]

I think it would great to have a ship that can move in multiple areas giving your crew the opportunity to play various different styles of gameplay

[@MrClassytangerine]

The reality of capital combat ships is that they will mostly be uncontested in their class because the military only buys contracts for the best. The offensive firepower is so staggering that I think people are in awe and blinded to the fact that it kindof lacks targets. It excels at engaging other capital class ships but will be weaker than the Idris or kraken for anything smaller

[@nolan6137]

Apparently the Preci has 2 mini-gun turrets that can be set to prioritize shooting down incoming torpedoes.

[@durtyred86]

The Polaris is what you bring to an Idris battle in the first place. They don't go toe to toe though. The Polaris stabs in and out of battle/range bringing some serious pain to the fight against the larger ships. It "The Polaris" is a Capital/large ship assassin. It's main function is bringing down the big boys. That Idris is like a carrier. The flagship of a battlegroup. I'd personally go with the Polaris. Actually, that's the largest I'm willing to go on the combat side lol. Any larger and I'd rather be a crewmember, not the owner/captain.

[@wraith511802003]

CWIS is on the tech map for ships.. It will either be AI or manned.

[@marcuswynn89]

Good to know

[@sircolby45]

Technically in reality there are missiles that don't respond to flares at all because of the way they track. The reason for this is not all missiles track heat. They track movement. I think they do a maneuver called notching to dodge these which is turning perpendicular to the missile because the missile is tracking if something is getting closer/farther away in relation to the ground and when you turn perpendicular you get lost because you are no longer getting closer to or farther away from the missile in relation to the ground. I'm not sure this is a 100% accurate description, but it is something along those lines. I believe with todays missiles though flares are not really all the effective because the tracking on the missiles have gotten smart enough to distinguish them from the real target.

[@kira68200]

well the javelin has some sort of ciws, the lateral turrets have a pair of big guns and a pair of "small" gatling on a support meant to be faster to turn than the 2 big guns also the bengal have small turrets basically using the spot for ciws also the hammerhead is a litteral flying ciws

[@endsinvention1390]

Advance locked on targeting system where just follows you to the end of the Earth is the nicest description of the current missle mechanic I’ve heard all year.

[@pc1974qld]

I have an Idris and Polaris, I wanted the Idris for a large Org and the Polaris I saw for a small group play, but the Polaris has grown to need around 7 players plus pilots to man it, happy about the growth size, I was going to try to upgrade my M2 Hercules to a 890 Jump on the 20th on Origins day but really I'd prefer to see if there was a rumoured concept ship go on sale, a small sub-capital ship to use for a small group of people

[@ork120]

890 Jump is not upgradable

[@shrapnelface5978]

I have both, I think the Idris will be better since its more expensive and a sq42 hero asset. But that being said, the Polaris seems like it could be very dangerous, its meant to punch up and kill ships like the Idris, its going to be faster than the Idris (though less armored, shields will 100% be capital size on the Polaris since its around 200 meters now) so it may be the one dictating the engagement with its speed. Other ships that can keep up with the Polaris may not be big enough to be a threat. Expect maybe the retaliator or multiple Aries.

[@dekulruno]

Faster but not fast enough to dodge railgun shots…

[@MANNYCALAVERAS]

The 4x PDS that come with the Idris-K kit are automated CIWS.

[@Mullins23]

My issue with the polaris is that the hangar bay takes up so much space, i'd much rather have a smaller/faster ship with that much firepower instead of having a giant hangar bay. I liked it better when it was smaller.

[@Ragecon87]

Can’t wait too see the torpedos never hit anything

[@charlescassels3826]

It’s also interesting that the Polaris was concepted because the Idris had grown so much since its initial concept. The Polaris is supposed to fill the same role that the Idris originally did.

[@Marlax-101]

its wierd that the idris phased out the perseus and the polaris replaced the idris.

[@wraith511802003]

What people dont understand, eventually, the physics grid of each ship will only allow so much weight an or items to be able to be attached to it. There wont be pocket carriers

[@marcuswynn89]

okay so maybe 3 furies then!

[@kilozulu2413]

Last I heard, the Polaris was going to grow in length, due to hangar needs.

[@redrumcoke2363]

It will be much closer in size to the 890J than dspicted here from the old model.

[@protekyerneck]

Your recap didn’t mention the Polaris clapped the Idris cheeks. I was anticipating it

[@marcuswynn89]

Dang man 😂😂😂 sorry about that I’ll put out a new video asap

[@theglorioushawk857]

honestly, i would like a small capitol ship about the size of the Polaris, remove the hangar, have 2 dual size 6 turrets(one on top and bottom) 2 quad size 4 turrets (on either side near the rear), and take that size 10 gun from the idris (or even a size 9 or two size 8s) and mount it centrally. that would be my dream capitol ship. sadly, the idris and polaris both seem, to me, to be trying to do too much and id rather have a dedicated brawler that wont take 20+ crew to operate, i.e. the Javelin.

[@MrClassytangerine]

Lore wise the polaris replaced the Idris and they were both used as multi role force projection often on their own so "trying to do too much" is kindof their thing. If you want more specialised gunships the Perseus and hammerhead are your go-to. What you are proposing would replace pretty much every gunship and is trying to do too much in its own right. 4xs6 and a size 10 plus anti fighter turrets in a small frame is insanely overpowered compared to any other gunship

[@lukaswhite362]

Missiles in real life actually do have anti countermeasure systems and for gameplay purposes they probably shouldn't be implemented. Even older missiles from the 80s such as AIM-9Ms can turn the seeker off periodically and fly straight to later reacquire the intended target. The best way to dodge this kind of missile is to employ counter measures and change direction of travel, if not you'll be where the missile was pointed when the seeker head turns back on. Later missiles like the AIM-9X are extremely hard to countermeasure. No salt I just wanted to share what I know about these things. Great vid!

[@sircolby45]

That was my thoughts...if they were realistic the missiles honestly would likely be pretty much impossible to flare. Probably not a great thing to implement for gameplay, but I would imagine the tracking that far into the future would be even more immune to flares lol.

[@marcuswynn89]

@sircolby45 that’s already the case with missiles

[@CapnSnackbeard]

The best way to limit torps is to make them expensive and slow. They didn't even mention automated point defense until the BMM, which just has two. Hard to say if other ships will get it.

[@marcuswynn89]

I think the bigger capital ships need one I even think they can give them different sizes I would even like to see a 890j with a PDS

[@redslate]

Idris K has point-defense.

[@Jaxwyn]

that is already a thing, automated def guns like CWs. the IdrisK has "PDS" (Point Defense System). there are other ships that have it too.

[@danny1988221]

Polaris is supposed to have 1 capital size shield

[@Jaxwyn]

i bought them both: idris, polaris, nautilus, perseus, all the gunships. just dont have my javelin yet but will by time its in game if i have to buy aegis pack to get it.

[@Sams911]

I just prefer the Polaris as a single player who might be able to get one or two friends... I have the 890 and love it too but again, needs friends to play it right.

[@chrisajokinen]

I have flown the eclipse and tally. Taking out a HH was super easy with one missile and a fly by. I imagine a Polaris can do the same and drop 2 s10 from close range and I am guessing 2 would take out an Idris or seriously damage it. I also agree on CIWS but leave it automated and is better at taking down large torps and smaller missiles would be harder to hit. As far as spending my money, I do not want a ship as larger as a Polaris. My biggest ship right now will be a Perseus. I am willing to go a little larger, but I think 125m to 135m is my limit. Like I love the Kraken. I will never own one due to needing to crew it.

[@nolan6137]

The version of the Idris with the rail gun is a fleet war decider.

[@F1nnsel]

I love your idea around Minute 4. There could be a tactical Operator on the idris k/m who sets the target of the 4 x(2s4) AI bladed turrets. The tactical Operator could set the targets and chose how strong the energy weapon burst is. With the task to Not leech the ship Systems empty. This oc for all bladed turrets like the s3 on the perseus. Or they should always only lock on hostile Torpedos but whith an tactical Operator you should be able to set target on other ships.

[@marcuswynn89]

Yeah it’s a good idea I just don’t want the ai blades to become op

[@user-dg5pu6gt1v]

the idris-k upgrade kit actually have 4 pds, it is automated. one thing I realized that pds might be only available for size-4 and below. which I dont think the kraken have. size-4 weapon and below weapon are so much more effective against small target due to faster projectile speed, with heavy armor, counter measures and those pdses, I think the idris will have good defense against torpedo. kraken not so much. also for every javelin side turret, there is a duel size 4 for taking down fighters and potentially torpedo's. I actually think jav is a hard counter to a small group of polaris. I think the idris is a more well rounded ship comparing to other caps due to the mix of size 4 and size 5s, the kraken have size 5 and size 6 makes it rely on escort fighter, polaris is a glass cannon. and jav is just in another class.

[@nemesisfaust]

better video actually comparing capitals with capitals. and very good point with the ciws. and they are going to apply stuff like that in starcitizen. but the entire blade and drone team have been assigned to ai script, ai crew, and ai pathings. so after we get ai crew members and ai passenger transports. then the teams will revert back to their prior tasks. where drones are for scanning, attacking, and resource tracking tools eventually. and blades will be part of computer modulations. so each computer s1 will have 1 blade slot, computer s2 will have 2 blade slots, computer s3 will have 3 blade slots, ect. and you can assign a computer to a task, then the blades act as modules for that established task. for instance if a turret station is a remote turret. that turret has computer access which requires manual control of the remote stations. however because it is functional threw a computer system. you can set a computer to that established turret. then the blades can run modified commands such as auto target missile auto target hostile ship, auto target all hostile. so that is 1 blade type. if you run a 2nd blade type auto fire on lock on targeting. then you have 2 blades on 1 computer assigned to 1 remote turret. that 1 remote turret is now automated with 2 blades and the use of 1s2 computer. this is all future stuff. but that setup is very much like ciws. where most missiles have a top launch to top hit trajectory. something like the perseus top turret with 2s2 guns can run something like pyroburst s2 guns x 2. and being a remote station, you can do this very exact thing. prioritizing the top pyroburst for missile defense. then the rear guns could be placed with defcon mine layers again a remote gun so when a ship or craft of hostile nature trys to approach the rear of the perseus you can automatically dispense mines as a point of defense. so they will have these things in game. but not till after ai crew is finished. not till interactive computers are finished. and not till various blade commands are written as lootables and craftables.

[@BlakedaBull]

Polarious I don’t have the big crew and rather have a fastest of these dangerous near top ship . I wonder how polarious will in two years, fares in atmo.

[@Sarsour_]

Awesome content!

[@ricky6608]

The Polaris has capital class shields

[@Darktiger01]

if i had the money and crew i'd go Idris as a ship it feels more self reliant just looking at it and the stat page we can asume with confidense it will be more beefy. The amount of sustained fire power with turrets and railgun. The Polaris will hopefully be able to deal high burst damage in salvos that unless countered with turret fire and other counter mesures will give it a large advantage if succesful. Though i think it will be more vunerable to similar attacks on itself. Smaller ships like the Retaliator, Eclipse and Ares or gunships like the Redeemer will have a more favourble matchup being able to close distance and abuse the lower turret count.

[@nuclearsimian3281]

Here's the first question you ask when someone says "Is it better?" Question is: "Better at what?" Is an Eclipse better than an Idris because it can kill one? I'd expect everyone to say no, because no, it isn't. That's what the eclipse's role is. The Polaris' role is...a corvette to take out Vanduul capships. The Idris' role is a frigate, to kill other caps, and provide fighter support to its fleetmates. If you hit a Polaris with the Exodus, you kill it in two hits. You hit it with the M's mass driver? Polaris go *_pop!_* too. They can both kill the other. The Idris is for bigger fleets. Its the tomahawk cruiser to the torpedo destroyer. "Why do the others not have CIWS?" Good question. It may get added. CIWS shouldn't be manned, it should be automatic, but that'd make ships with it borderline unkillable. That'd nullify the role of the Eclipse, or the Polaris too. It can't have it due to game balance. The Polaris is basically the poor man's idris, pretty much. Plus, the Idris railgun shell and laser can't be shot down, and can't be flared/chaffed. They may also be hitscan, but idk yet. Love your idea on the Fury squadron, ahahaha, 10/10. FURY BEES. You're still spot on with how the Idris will kill a polaris and how they do _not_ want to get into a knock-down, drag out fight. Polaris is meant for anti-capital hit-and-run, launch four torps or fire two pairs of them, and guarantee yourself a kill. Hell, maybe they'll eventually put cross section torps into the game too, and not need to worry about flares. I've gotten myself a Polaris, because I'll do better with the missiles than the mass driver, but a friend picked up an Idris and got the K modification, because of your exact idea on what happens if we get into a fight with someone in a Polaris, _if we get hit,_ we're dead anyway, even with the extra armor. The little bit of maneuverability and better fuel will be better in that situation, because if we see a Polaris show up and it launches a Scorpius instead of a Scorpius Antares or a Mantis, we're running from that. Forgive me for any misuse in terms, I was an MMN, not a GM.

[@marcuswynn89]

put this in chat gpt and ask it to summarize this

[@nuclearsimian3281]

@@marcuswynn89 Hahaha, fair enough. I tend to ramble. Basically the tl;dr is: "Each ship will excel the most at its own role. The polaris is for hit and runs, but the Idris is for jumping into the fight and throwing haymakers."

[@nikkotan2840]

Idris are good for hunting big ships like Light Carriers and Destroyers, but practicality-wise i go for Polaris because it small enough to quickly deployed in battle and has enough firepower to repel such forces + it can carry vast variety of crafts, from ambulance to fighter and support crafts.

[@thegamingtribunal]

Same as stated... polaris was given capital size shields and i believe the turrets were upgraded from S4 to a bigger turret number* TBC... Possibly S5

[@user-mc8le6tx4y]

The 890 does have missile defense on the rear it's just not in game yet. It will come in with AI blades so 2 CIG years maybe. The Polaris hasn't had mention of missile defense but I think the Idris does? I honestly disagree Polaris vs Idris would not be close combat situation. It's best the Idris stays at a distance as 1 hit from that front gun will seriously hurt a Polaris and it's really hard to dodge that thing as it's near instant hit. It wouldn't cripple the Polaris as a Carrack can take a hit with 2 large shields granted it loses them instantly. It would force the Polaris to withdraw for at least a minute for them to come back up. I'm going to guess with how easy it is to evade missiles and torps today that the Idris will be able to dodge them if it see them early enough. I've been able to dodge size 9 torps with a reclaimer and the Idris handles way better. I'm sticking with the Polaris as you can't CCU to an 890 or larger and I'm not melting my packs just for a single ship.

[@generalrendar7290]

4:10 not to mention many other tech that other mil-sims do easily. Like guided rockets and bombs. The Perseus is woefully undefended on the CIWS front.

[@dunkirk4289]

Can i just say you really seem to ask and answer the questions i most see in game like which is best and other common thoughts on things

[@llillian4055]

Flak will change things for missiles.

[@fnix1509]

Okay now I'm no expert, but I've seen the Idris one shot the 890 or even a reclaimer... (both larger than the polaris) plus air defense turrets can shoot down a torpedo, but not a rail gun shot... with my personal opinion I'm gonna have to give this one to the idris

[@user-dg5pu6gt1v]

For me it actually comes down to operating costs. both in crew and uec. for the polaris, those size10s are going to cost a lot of credit. On the other hand, idris size 10 weapon is much cheaper to operate. but it is much heavier on the crew requirement. so I think, if you have ways to make lot of auec. go for the polaris. if you are in an org and have a lot of friends go for the idris. I really dont like having a Polaris and have no credit to use the torps, or having a lot of fighters and have no crew to fly them. Personally, I like the nautilus, but it is so overpriced. the thing with nautilus, it is a uec maker. CIG said there will be mine sweep missions. which means. nautilus mines are basically free. for someone that is trigger happy like I am, it is a good thing.

[@Chase_The_Calm_Gaming]

Angry Bee Squadron sounds awesome. Space Navy)

[@laughablehalo6202]

They do have cwiz turrets they just don't provide pictures. They are size 3 dual gatlings.

[@ShadowGirl-]

Scorpius will be only 1 person with a computer blade installed. And as others have said, Capital shield and other pieces.

[@kudos1729]

I thought SC had specific remote point defense turrets (CWIS)? Look at the Idris K.....

[@TaldrenDR]

Polaris now needs 8 as well. They added 2 manned gun.

[@ShadowGirl-]

I want an Origin 725a Corporate Battleship... or maybe Xi'an instead of Origin, but something in that size and role.

[@ro0140]

Too effectively crew the Idris you need more Crew than 8 persons. It also has a lot more beds then people think. The last posted number of beds was that It has 13 sets of bunks for a total of 26 beds. According to CIG This would means that a full-sized crew with "hot bunking" can be as high as 78 sailors, marines and pilots. Also the Idris will be very hard to kill in the future never mind what we have seen of the Idris to date. It will have better working shield and a lot of armor and with the guns really up and running and not with those AI's shooting. That said there are Point Defense Turrets planned. I believe they mentions that the Phoenix has one at the rear and BMM has two automated turrets on the underside of its hull and they will shoot down Missiles and Torpedoes. Also Turrets who are slaved to a blade can be automated to shoot certain targets like Missiles and Torpedoes or ships I believe that the prio of target could be set but we will have to see. Off course a manned turret can also shoot down missiles and torps. That said Chris Roberts didn't want any AI in game so there is Lore that AI got out of control and is now banned. Polaris and Idris are 2 complete different ships they have different Roles and how you fight the ship. Now the Polaris is a Rapid First Strike craft it will try and kill Capital ships it has no staying power. It has some shield be almost no armor. It's main goal is get in and get out ASAP while firing some of its Tier 10 Torps it's numerous turrets are there to open a flight path towards the enemy Capital ship and to give it a possible survivability when trying to get out of the combat zone. Where the Idris is pretty Slow it needs a battle group to really shine and engage the Enemy. The Polaris it very Fast and can engage the Enemy solo. But as you said both ships are not yet out and we will have to see what CIG decide to do. There was already a change in the Polaris design they showed it a bit in the greybox vid of the Polaris at CitizenCon. We can see one 4 Gun Turret and a Missile Turret with 2 Missile rack both in the rear of the Polaris pointing back. Probably to cover the rear of the ship when it disengages from battle. It might even be that they changed the front turret layout also with less guns. So it is still up in the air.

[@pirateradio8420]

Do not stand in front of Sea Wiz!

[@zot171]

im waiting on SQ42 to drop so that i can sit in the captains chair on my idris and let da boiz run wild

[@marcuswynn89]

Oh so you're the captain now?

[@zot171]

@@marcuswynn89 i only plan to be the captain of the idris for a year, tops, while i wait for the javelin to drop

[@COMMANDERHAWK22]

I have both and the jav and I agree with you on the ciws funny thing is the connie phoenix is sopose to have that and the 890 I believe .

[@thefrenchspacer]

I just hope that the Idris will carry a lot more than 2 light fighters

[@B.D.E.]

Neither ship should be operating alone, but especially not the Polaris, considering it's basically a missile corvette/frigate.

[@iranouspolaris2035]

Great video❤

[@romms8937]

I think it all comes down to the Polaris hitting with the the torps and not getting shot down my guns. I think you will need to 2 v 1 the Idris to win most of the time. Also we will have point defense like CIWS it's just not in game and who knows when that will come.

[@wuxtry]

I don’t really have a dog in this fight, but depending on the amount of countermeasures, I would give this to the Idris

[@blackdreamhunk3413]

890 jump is not the ship advertised.

[@theg0z0n]

Remind me when/where we saw the Polaris taking the idris to town?

[@dekulruno]

It was a little greybox demo they showed during citizen con, but it was also a troll they made the idris blow up from the first torpedo hit.

[@richardcochrum637]

like you said about the MSR data running these ships are not in the game so it is worthless to discuss the large ships until there is more known about them

[@marcuswynn89]

If you so pressed about what I say you don’t have to watch it’s my channel I will do what I want

[@richardcochrum637]

freedom of speech @@marcuswynn89

[@ozramblue117]

Polaris is one of the more interesting designs in the game. It’s a multicrew assassin. I like it.

[@SmokeWiseGanja]

I think with competant gunners most of the larger sub caps will slap the polaris. It'll be tough for them to get a torp through your turret fire.

[@explodogames2774]

I have a polaris and perseus .. but i have no friends and my org is inactive so .. they are just there with my other hangar queens i will never use .

[@null5696]

polaris with its lore-accurate antimatter moon-killing torps, obv

[@jrzgcwrocks]

Overall I'm pretty sure theyll both be in our fleet. Theyre both extremely versatile. Silly not to have both.

[@marcuswynn89]

You got deep pockets

[@jrzgcwrocks]

@@marcuswynn89 ultimately these ships will be purchasable in game.

[@Max_Flashheart]

Furious Fairies in the Polaris lol

[@richardcochrum637]

so now you are are airborne weapons specialist wow were you an officer in the navy ?