Is Islam The Cause Or Solution To Extremism? |

[@thairinkhudr4259]

55:19 Sister Zara's reply here about the topic of Caliphate is inspirational. I think most of the young generation of Muslims have lost touch with the importance of the unification of Muslim world and the Caliphate.

[@afzalhossain1429]

here because of Hamza tzortzis

[@A.yackub]

Me too Subhanallah

[@chrisc990]

Zara Faris is an excellent speaker.

[@TechLogic99]

+Chris Clayburn Agreed, she's the only person seem to engaged the audience and made some solid points

[@chrisc990]

Clempt90 Seems to me she has well thought out positions. Your ramblings say much more about your paranoia. What self loathing cultural Marxism can you see in the UK!? it is full of nationalism, patriotism - just turn on your TV and it is full of event after event with union jacks cladding everything from cooking programs to sporting events. If there are practical questions about improving the way our country is run then just leave the psycho-analytical babble to one side and address each on their merit rather than label them as "marxism" .

[@elecsomify]

+Chris Clayburn Nope, she's an Obscurantist.

[@chrisc990]

+Mr Space let me guess - her moderate descriptions are obscuring a more extreme truth?

[@Clempt90]

Chris Clayburn "Ramblings of paranoia"........you’ll really have to do better than that if I'm to take you serious.

[@blairfranklin7320]

The issue is that if people don't take the time learn about any "way of life," instead they go on with their life thinning bad about other ways of life. Not all Muslims are bad. Not all atheist or Jews or Christians or Buddhist etc are bad. Take the time to learn about other people different from your own.

[@mdnababali8887]

Sister just cleared the ground with her extensive speech

[@misbachung4375]

Sufis are good people and love is their doctrine… now there maybe people who are misrepresenting Sufism which is the core of Islam… research…

[@veganath]

Zara Faris - "Muslims face censorship on discussing our beliefs" - Huh??? 5minutes earlier Peter gave you an opportunity to express your beliefs but you all declined.

[@veganath]

hallmark agree with your sentiment, they can't publicly make an admission to specifics of sharia for fear of self demonization of their own ideology. The entire debate was cringe worthy.... I applaud Peter for his courage. But we in the West shouldn't hesitate to demonize and reform our own socioeconomic system as it incentivizes people to gain and maintain a differential advantage over others, no love/joy there(think military industrial complex, big Pharma, big Ag...etc). Money and it's inherent profit motive needs to be retired as it is no longer the most efficient and equitable way to manage resources, that title goes to the direct application of our science & automation technology. The fact that 10 million people die from starvation every year, mostly children should never happen with the abundance we are capable of creating. But you are right Islamic ideology is more immoral(evil as u say)

[@Domna7]

Debate not free question, inquisition, accusations. If you cant see the problem here well we agree to disagree, simple as that. They receive everyday this sorts of inquisition, like he said he could have mailed him to ask him clearly and in more detail. But no, seems objective of Pete isnt to debate but rather to ''umask'' this bas guys, doing exactly what the debate is aiming to clarify and change -> blackmailing people with technical words that 99% dont understand : extremisms, radicalism, fundamentalists...

[@veganath]

Domna Zara Faris - "To you your beliefs to us our!" - absolutely agree with her, however do you agree she should have clarified this by saying, "as long as what one believes isn't the impetus to cause others(human & non-human) to suffer unnecessarily". If Islam is the solution, how would Islam solve the issues of crime, corruption, environmental degradation, starvation, poverty and our greatest admission to failure war?

[@DilaraEfe]

Are these debates open to public? If so, where can I find details of the up coming events and venues

[@iERAOrg]

+Dilara Efe - On our website and our facebook page: www.iera.org / www.iera.org/facebook

[@LaineeTheCatWallace]

Secularism is a mechanism - not a belief - that creates a safe space for a diversity of ideas (economic and political)and religions with no dominate religion. The Caliphate is a mechanism that imposes a dominate religion, economic system, and political system on everyone within its jurisdiction. The two systems are diametrically opposed and cannot occupy the same space without great tension.

[@zillellaha7854]

+LaineeTheCat Wallace you tried to use words to cover up secularism but failed

[@Sr68720]

problem with that is secularism main imposing religion is atheism. forcing religions to back off out of its space. so its exactly the same except in islam the Christians could have the own laws etc etc. secularism is one rule for all and who decideds that law? an atheist, muslim, jew who?

[@zillellaha7854]

Atheism

[@dustin3596]

+Sr68720 secularism doesn't impose a religion. Secularism only means religion does not own a the government. That means that it gives the most rights to the most amounts of religion. Theocracies on the other hand is the opposite since it imposes one faith to everyone living within the country. If your religious beliefs requires you to impose your beliefs onto other people through the government, they your religion is evil

[@MrCostiZz]

Zill Ellaha ...Everything Dustin Trinidad said is childish true ....I mean common!

[@thairinkhudr4259]

48:26 I think ___ answered brilliantly. Shariah laws are carried out in very contextual situations. I sure hope both of them sat down and had that couple hours of coffee together.

[@veganath]

*_"Shariah laws are carried out in very contextual situations"_* Good people do not believe that there are *_ANY_* circumstaances where it is acceptable to put to death people for inherently non-violent act like apostasy, blasphemy, adultery & homosexuality. The West would do well to ban Islam!!

[@4ickyy]

Powerful! It's great to see Muslims stand against interrogation by Peter Tatchell. Yes or no questions are infact bullying tactics in this setting. The questions Peter Tatchell was planning to ask were only part of a ploy. A ploy Muslims seem to fall into all too often. You can't debate theological morals in a debate. Learn to spot them and you will go further in articulating your point. I do respect his work and his commendation of human rights abuse etc, BUT he seems to be asking one sided questions.

[@argotcalo5575]

+rikleybanw I agree with the questions. People need to know if the muslim speakers want sharia law, that rule above everybody, and allow stoning, decapitations, death to apostates, death to blasphemers, and of course the creation of an islamic state that put that in practice. Is a crucial question. Because in UK that is not permissible. If muslims would like to see sharia law implemented and their leaders inspire in their communities the desire to have sharia law. Then, it will be a cause of constant violence. Because there will be always a group of muslims that would like to make jihad to help in the implementation of sharia or in the defense of its principles. Is like having universities teaching and inspiring the desire of implementing communism. Then, it would be natural to expect that many students will form groups that will enter in conflict with the democratic states with the objective of having or defending communism. The central problem here is that islam is not only a religion. Is a total system, that have the aim of submit all aspects of life of the persons and the functions of the states. So, islam as a political entity, and by teaching sharia, at the end, will always bring conflict with other forms of government and lifestyles that are not islamic. I am no judging islam. It is what it is. But is foolish to ignore that islam is antithetical to many basic principles of democratic states. So, is natural to expect conflict with muslims that pursue the objective of implementing sharia in a democratic state.

[@jabberwookie50]

+rikleybanw Yes, god forbid that these Muslims are honest and forthcoming with what they actually believe. That would require integrity.

[@thairinkhudr4259]

@@argotcalo5575 That is a very profound and encompassing view of Islam. Respect to you!

[@krislo4788]

@@argotcalo5575 Sharia only for muslims..no democracy and secularism and Liberalism for them..We dont want it..nor do we belief in it..so every country should have a sharia law only for muslims living there..No education except religious ones..no social media..no usage of gadgets built by kufrs and jews...just living life how it is written in the quran..all the punishments as well by sharia only for muslims..lets see how fast they come back crawling and begging for democracy.

[@manojshrestha3229]

around 50:00 . whats the point of talking about peace, love, compassion if you're a devil inside. Why u refusing to give a 1000 words or a single word of answer? Take as much time as you want but convince us ur perspective is right. That's what Peter meant I think.

[@suraiyameem5481]

Lol don't watch 'debates' if you can't digest and that 50:00 attitude you are pointing out that's out of the daily mental torture of hearing harsh words about your faith. Few Islamic laws do not sum up everything about Islam. Those punishments have conditions, have several steps and regulations. For instance, punishment of stealing is cutting off the hand. But, if that person steals for he is hungry, for he is a miskeen, someone who needs support, then in that case the government he's living under is to be blamed and the leader must be held accountable. But since (unfortunately there isn't any Islamic country that actually follows Islamic laws properly) there is no Baitul-Maal, where there is help for the the poors and the people who are needy, the miskeen, the ruling of stealing the hands do not apply. Because the government has not instill Baitul-Maal process in the country. A reason why Dr.Anas asked Peter to come over to have coffee and discuss about it. It has many sectors and conditions for the rules to be applied and a lot more to know about Islam before jumping into irrelevant conclusions. But what will media do? They will shout Muslims are so evil to cut off hands for such trivial reasons ! What will people like Peter do? They will stick to their mindset and remain ignorants but won't digest or accept a race. Nor will they spend time exploring a religion followed by billions ! A religion which has the highest convert rates. C'mon don't you think they checked Islam and it's laws before accepting? May Allah(swt) grant us deep understanding of Islam.

[@عمرهشام-و9ي]

"Liberalism's own belief that military expansion is the way to spread liberalism".... Am I seriously hearing this woman say that? She also says the notion that there is a connection between extreme violence of religion is "debunked"... Sorry, I'm a Muslim but I really don't see what we achieve by putting our head in the sand like this... Also, I've lost a lot of respect for Hamza at 33:00 when he is called out on previous statements. Instead of saying he has changed his opinion on these matters which he sometimes does say, he claims it's out of context. Disappointed.

[@TechLogic99]

+‫عمر هشام‬‎ go back to your basement mate

[@krislo4788]

Funny how people condemn the freedom of speech that gives them the freedom of speech to condem it...

[@whisperingwhiskerss4877]

The sister came hard!! She spoke and she went for the jugular Masha'Allah

[@veganath]

I don't suppose you could have put that comment in a less metaphorically violent way...lol. Islam's obsession with barbarism isn't welcome...

[@IB-ow3gt]

The reason why people are so against the Islamic rule and caliphate is because they don't want to lose out on profiting through the harm of the population or lose the things that bring them pleasure while harming society.

[@veganath]

No my reason is because Islam advocates for causing others(human & non-human) to suffer unnecessarily.

[@veganath]

@Mohamud Ahmed good people do not believe that there are circumstance where it is acceptable to put to death people for acts that are inherently non-violent, e.g. blasphemy, homosexuality, adultery, apostasy.

[@veganath]

@Mohamud Ahmed *"Be objective."* so I invite you to present your case for objective morality?

[@veganath]

@Mohamud Ahmed *"Who determines good or bad?"* please go ahead enlighten me..

[@veganath]

@Mohamud Ahmed *"Is Homosexuality immoral? Any answer is subjective except Gods."* your argument is subject to people 1st accepting your claim that a god/s exist, specifically your God, and 2nd even if you have people believe a god/s exist people are going to reference their gods moral edicts. That is, why accept your morality, and so unless you are prepared to enter into a social contract with other humans to collectively evaluate values e.g. compassion, kindness, love, non-violence, truthfulness, etc as they translate to facts about the well-being of conscious creatures using science then it will always be a moral system based in competing religious mythology and not the reality of the well-being and flourishing of humans, non-humans & the environment.

[@maziah3649]

Someone, please make subtitle, I can't keep with them. Please do something, I beg you....English subtitle please......

[@thairinkhudr4259]

Is there a way to help add subtitles? To be honest most of what they are talking about is going right over my head, maybe because I am not well read in British politics, or maybe I am just relatively dumb.

[@Hello-ri9dd]

@@thairinkhudr4259 ur not dumb ur just relatively new to these topics, 3 months ago if I watched this debate I would be lost now I understand basically 99% of these things

[@veganath]

Simple questions: 1:- Are there any circumstances in which you would support Sharia law punishment such as execution for blasphemy, apostasy, women who have sex outside of marriage and homosexuality? 2: Are there any circumstances in which you would support Sharia punishments such as stoning and amputation? I invite Muslims posting here to answer these questions to clarify any doubt, you are not compelled to answer you can refuse, that is fine, but it would help clarify what Muslims say are false accusations.

[@whitedeath9]

1. No 2. No (I know you edited this a month ago but I felt it was strange that no one replied). And yes, I am a Muslim.

[@veganath]

Thanks for being a compassionate empathetic human, welcome to the human race. Unfortunately since post this comment I have learned that other Muslim scholars do not share your compassion. If I was you I would leave a religion where the majority advocate that there are circumstances where stoning and amputation are reasonable...

[@-AEON-]

@WJ Sky learn, what are talking about? It's easier to accuse and point fingers, without studying the subject that your accusing someone else on. So how dare you say to that gentleman from the human race (ewww, humans, disgusting) to go and learn that's extremism mate 😱

[@-AEON-]

@WJ Sky Aperantly it doesn't, they still remain ignorant. 😂

[@veganath]

@WJ Sky *"Anyone who engages in sexual intercourse before marriage should be stoned to death"* thank you for your honesty, that is all I need to know about Islam to dismiss it as morally reprehensible, and continue to advocate for a ban of it in Western countries. You do know there are other solution to conflict resolution than resorting to violence? I am however open to being convinced that Islam is as Muslims claim a religion of peace... Over to you

[@myomotomushashi7121]

Myth - Islam is a Religion of Peace>>>> So where did that expression come from? It turns out that there was a book printed in India in 1930 (and again in 1988) with the title - The Religion of Peace. The author was (Ishtiaq Husain Qureshi), a British-educated historian who was later involved in the establishment of Pakistan. Actually, as you will read below, it is derived from the word submission (to Allah and Sharia Law). A more revealing verse regarding “brotherly love” is Surah 48:29: “Muhammad is Allah’s apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another.” Due to the Quran being comprised both of revelations received in Mecca when Muslims were outnumbered by non-Muslims and of revelations received in Medina when Islam was the dominate religion, Muslims can find Meccan verses supporting a peaceful Islam which were later overturned (abrogated) by the more militant verses revealed in Medina. Qureshi engages in some sleight-of-hand to underscore the brotherly love of Muslims for all people. His book, of course, was written before the partition of India, when millions of Muslims fled India to the newly-created Pakistan to avoid living in a mixed community ruled democratically by both Muslims and non-Muslims. Qureshi misquotes Surah 2:213 as “All men are a single nation.” The text actually explains that all men were a single nation until, through envy of one another, people began to dispute the good news and warnings of the prophets. A more revealing verse regarding “brotherly love” is Surah 48:29: “Muhammad is Allah’s apostle”. “Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another.” How to be assured of Peace in Islam: The Quran reminds Muslim that those who “fight for the cause of Allah” are superior in Allah’s estimation than those who stay at home. (Surah 4:95) “Allah has purchased from the faithful their lives and worldly goods and in return has promised them the Garden. They will fight for the cause of Allah, slay and be slain. . . .Rejoice in the bargain you have made.” (Surah 9:111) A reliable Hadith compiled by Bukhari states, “I heard Allah’s Apostle saying, “The example of a Mujahid (“one who engages in jihad”) in Allah’s Cause- and Allah knows better who really strives in His Cause--is like a person who fasts and prays continuously. Allah guarantees that He will admit the Mujahid in His Cause into Paradise if he is killed, otherwise He will return him to his home safely with rewards and war booty.” (52:46) What Honest Muslims Say about Peace: In April 2010, in the United Kingdom, Anjem Choudary, an Islamic radical, said, “You can’t say that Islam is a religion of peace, because Islam does not mean peace. Islam means submission. So the Muslim is one who submits. There is a place for violence in Islam. There is a place for jihad in Islam.” He also said, “The Koran is full of, you know, jihad is the most talked-about duty in the Koran other than tawhid ­ belief. Nothing else is mentioned more than the topic of fighting.” (There are 164 “jihad” verses in the Quran, including passages that mention a military expedition, fighting, or distributing war spoils.) In June, 2014, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the self-appointed caliph of the Islamic State (ISIS), said, “Islam was never a religion of peace. Islam is the religion of fighting. No-one should believe that the war that we are waging is the war of the Islamic State. It is the war of all Muslims, but the Islamic State is spearheading it. It is the war of Muslims against infidels.” (Sharia Law - Reliance of the Traveler - defines under “objectives of jihad” as the caliph making war on Jews, Christians, and Zoroastrians until they become Muslim or else pay the non-Muslim poll tax - (Para. o9.8.) So the next time someone touts Islam as the “Religion of Peace,” ask him/her to show you where it says that in the Quran or in a hadith. They can’t, because it isn’t there, and it never will be.

[@nasr313]

You are wrong. But it's ok see you can still be a human being and try to understand Islam and once you understand it than you can come back with your opinion. Your not fooling anyone Islam is still growing ( one of the fasted ,ask yourself why?) that's all goodbye.

[@misbachung4375]

You are so wrong… if you don’t understand Arabic than read a good English translation bro…do your research… read the Quran… be blessed 🤲

[@kameelfarag1981]

Enough to read in these commentaries even after this debate that Islam is the solution to the problems of the world. This is said in the face of the miserable history of Islam in relation to those who do not agree with his tenets, nor of his rule by the caliphates over 1400 years. Also in spite of what Christ who was called the prince of peace never suggested that there will ever be peace in the world or fairness in the rules or justice under any system in the world. Even when the Torah was introduced by Moses who is greater than Mohamed, the laws never created a harmonious society, nor they were given to Moses to force them on the world. I hate to say it, that if this is the teaching of Islam, I dare to conclude that this is the ultimate ignorance and foolish prevention.

[@InayetHadi]

if you don't like an association's structural program, start your own association.

[@seanpaulseanpaul7508]

harry potter is a great book follow that

[@nighnkarnaout6835]

i understand why he feels like muslims are interogated But i feel like he should have heared peter out first and if his questions were out of place he could refuse to answer

[@samirahsamir6930]

SubhanAllah Watching after 4 year 😏 But I’m smiling whole watching Hamza answer 😊❤️ May Allah bless him

[@AcadFreedom]

Peter Tatchell could hardly be more diplomatic, yet EF, AA and HT want much, much more. They want their theocracy.

[@veganath]

The insincerity flowed thick from these panelist, Peter looked terribly uncomfortable.

[@krislo4788]

This is what happens to you naive western people!! You guys are way to democratic and care for everyone...lets reverse the role..will a western girl be allowed to go in a bikini in place called Saudi?

[@misbachung4375]

Peter Muslims are persecuted in India which is a democratic country! Get a load of that!

[@vaultsjan]

50:00 Ok, its all good, according to PEW 2013 poll, the north africa waits for your enlightment work, 33% in North africa say women have right to divorce.

[@dennisellis256]

THE SECOND SPEAKER OBVIOUSLY DOESN'T KNOW THAT THE " TERM EXTREMISM ", WAS FIRST APPLIED TO MUSLIMS WHO OPPOSED "BRITISH COLONIAL RULE", & " ANY FORM OF COLONIAL RULES OVER MUSLIM COUNTRIES ".

[@maziah3649]

I beg you, please put subtitle for all your video....

[@stephy31uk]

I agree with the muslim lady opinion on the first question asked by audience member.

[@HussainFahmy]

A debate par-excellence. In essence Islam is religion of peace and tolerance embedded within it's values.

[@HussainFahmy]

srnp0007 Peace is inspired to those who actively seek it through the Noble Quran and put into practice.

[@HussainFahmy]

srnp0007 Read the Noble Quran with an open heart just like the billions of people do and research. You may find it if it is meant to be.

[@HussainFahmy]

srnp0007 Your approach to read about contradicts to Muslims feeling peace in our heart. May Allah guide your heart to find it in your heart.

[@stiryotype4695]

+faro0485 Did "he" not know as each person would do BEFORE he created them???

[@mohammadasghar4215]

+srnp0007 If I may interject! What you want is a verse couched in a language that you want. Well the Noble Quran was not revealed to please anyone in particular individual but was revealed for all those who want to ponder, reflect, try to understand the Divine Commandments.. I am pasting some verses that talk of not fighting , which means they promote peace.002.193 And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression 004.090 Except those who join a group between whom and you there is a treaty (of peace), or those who approach you with hearts restraining them from fighting you as well as fighting their own people. If Allah had pleased, He could have given them over you, and they would have fought you: Therefore if they withdraw from you but fight you not, and (instead) send you (Guarantees of) peace, then Allah Hath opened no way for you (to war against them). 049.009 If two parties among the Believers fall into a quarrel, make ye peace between them: but if one of them transgresses beyond bounds against the other, then fight ye (all) against the one that transgresses until it complies with the command of Allah; but if it complies, then make peace between them with justice, and be fair: for Allah loves those who are fair (and just). 045.014 Tell those who believe, to forgive those who do not look forward to the Days of Allah: It is for Him to recompense (for good or ill) each People according to what they have earned. 002: 256 Is the governing word for all skirmishes or wars. It says that there is no compulsion in religion. Throughout the Noble Quran are ayaat that show that peace is better than war. Ponder over all ayaat specially 045:014.I hope that you are a genuine seeker after knowledge and not a person who is not yet Muslim and just wants to fence with Muslims.

[@330MillionGods]

24:00 He seems to be possessed by british ghost.

[@dsara176able]

Ok, does someone see Hamza's beard literally shining?

[@vaultsjan]

42:00 yeah its all very hurtful but if you are given and taken platform and dont use it...you really dont come up as motivated. Peter Oborne does particularly bad job here.

[@ImplosiveCatt]

In a fair debate there are equal number of contenders on each side. The fact that there is only Peter on one side shows that the intent of this wannabe debate is questionable. Zara and Anas decided to disenable making connection between Islam and Extremism and Anas made sure that Peter follows the "rule" playing the butthurt role. This "debate" is pure horseshit.

[@misbachung4375]

Perhaps you’re horseshit?🤔

[@ajuranempire9429]

To all the people who say horrible things about Islam,do you guys know anything about this religion? I meant what the vast majority of us believe what Islam is...(Muslims) not sheikh/imam fox new or bbc/mainstream media

[@DamagedSoulonevoicein7billion]

NO ONE ANSWERED THE BLOODY QUESTION! WHY?

[@vivethierry]

+Damaged Soul I expect because their minds are trapped so deeply in the religious belief to the point where they have no choice but to approve of Shariah law, yet understand it would be politically incorrect to admit to it.

[@suraiyameem5481]

@@vivethierry Few Islamic laws do not sum up everything about Islam. Those punishments have conditions, have several steps and regulations. For instance, punishment of stealing is cutting off the hand. But, if that person steals for he is hungry, for he is a miskeen, someone who needs support, then in that case the government he's living under is to be blamed and the leader must be held accountable. But since (unfortunately there isn't any Islamic country that actually follows Islamic laws properly) there is no Baitul-Maal, where there is help for the the poors and the people who are needy, the miskeen, the ruling of stealing the hands do not apply. Because the government has not instill Baitul-Maal process in the country. A reason why Dr.Anas asked Peter to come over to have coffee and discuss about it. It has many sectors and conditions for the rules to be applied and a lot more to know about Islam before jumping into irrelevant conclusions. But what will media do? They will shout Muslims are so evil to cut off hands for such trivial reasons ! What will people like Peter do? They will stick to their mindset and remain ignorants but won't digest or accept a race. Nor will they spend time exploring a religion followed by billions ! A religion which has the highest convert rates. C'mon don't you think they checked Islam and it's laws before accepting? May Allah(swt) grant us deep understanding of Islam.

[@veganath]

@@suraiyameem5481 *"They will stick to their mindset and remain ignorants but won't digest or accept a race."* Islam is not a *race* it is an ideology of your choosing. Race isn't a choice.

[@unusualreturns2774]

@@vivethierry You're woefully ignorant of what Sharia is. You posted this 8yrs ago so I hope you've at least educated yourself in that time.

[@e.z.6916]

He says we should or would never debate whether Hinduism encourages oppression of women?????!!!!!! Really???!! Of course, we can, should and would debate that. Look at the ubiquitous oppression of women in India. Do we have to disregard reality?? I am not Jewish but I do know a great deal about the culture and the religion--peace is the highest most embraced ethic among the majority of Jews. So, no, I wouldn't debate it seriously--but it would be fun to massacre the opposition. Debating whether Islam is extreme is perfectly reasonable if we are living in and embracing reality. I think the first thing all non-Muslims and Muslims should do is read the Koran in chronological order--after Muhammed was in the majority--in power, all his pronouncements were warlike and violent and abrogated his earlier conciliatory statements, as regards Jews, Christians, pagans and dissenters.

[@-AEON-]

maybe you should go do that yourself, and while you're doing it, read the context of every verse. Believe me, it will make less of an ignorant person.

[@-AEON-]

make you*

[@AjayKumar-uk4sp]

Why should have even discussion about whether anyone should have right to leave religion or not

[@vivethierry]

The vicious anger, the pointing of the finger of scorn and hunger for retribution speaking for itself from 50:00

[@frigg14_693]

Muslim sponsored debate shows very little diversify in opinion. Very boring sympathizing, that places blame on anything other than islam. useless.

[@WolfestoneManor]

I don't know why they even bothered having Peter on at all.

[@davehackney1787]

Look at these crybullies bawling "bully" at Peter when it was the host and other panel members who were ganging up on him and trying to prevent him from asking the most reasonable of questions. Well done Peter for being brave enough to go in and debate a hostile host, panel and audience and not allowing them to curb your free speech.

[@thescorpiuslibra1676]

I agree. He asked a pretty simple question. If they had've just answered it, they could've moved on to other topics. If you ask me if i support the death penalty, I'll easily tell you no. That's missed opportunities for medical discoveries. I support human test subjects.

[@krislo4788]

@@thescorpiuslibra1676 Facts...this is the same guy who stood up for them...and helped them but is just concerned about the death threats he recieved from extremists..and the moderate ones supported these threats...and look how they are labelling him now...this is the problem

[@wautd]

Terrorism is a logical consequence when a religion/ideology puts the death penalty on apostasy/blasphemy. There will always be people seen as "heretics" worthy of death because you can interpret vague "holy" books however you want.

[@truthintheknowledge567]

I think we need bro Abdullah Al Andalusi & Mohammad Hijab in this kind of topic...😍

[@chap170]

This debate, answers all the questions, I need to know about Islam.

[@veganath]

Except for the question asked by Peter about his fate under a caliphate..lol

[@mohammedafsar2320]

@@veganath Well read the history, if you are not lazy.

[@afrivisions2461]

The problem is for people not accepting that religion goes with some flaws that can't fit in to civilization of mankind.

[@malmao5093]

The panel don't understand what debate means. I rarely support peter, but on this rare occasion I do.

[@thedoublesgame9709]

Relax. The concept of shariah has very little to do with the debate in the first place. Theyre talking about extremism and what's Islams stance on it (in the title) not what the views of the panel are on shariah. Second of all Peter had little respect for the panel and audience. Face it he had an agenda in this debate which he wanted to carry out. The answers he wanted were yes or no. Legit the concept of shariah is so vast these guys couldnt answer Peter's questions in the time they have. Specifically why one of the panelists invited him for a coffee and a discussion. Shariah is not a term you can just loosely use such as in Peter's questions. Finally the idea of true freedom of speech does not exist. Peter even agreed with this point indirectly. He mentioned that people who advocate for violence against other Humans shouldnt be given a platform. Peter unfortunately had shown poor behaviour when it comes to debate. You don't force or barge your views or questions across in such a manner. Especially when you are talking about a topic not relevant to the debate.

[@rghl5617]

5 vs 1 and it's an unfair debate? 😂 Poor Peter, there was no chance of a civil debate there..

[@josm1206]

Tatchell trying to hold the Islamist extremists to task. And none of the panel can come out and unequivocally condemn extremism. Ishan is a far right extremist religion and it's embarrassing that Islamists can't condemn it.

[@krislo4788]

🙋

[@krislo4788]

They cant...they will get beheaded first if they do...

[@walrusvision7039]

This dude HAMZA debated Lawrence krauss and disastrously said stuff about physics and regretted it right away as krauss called him ignorant in physics in front of muslims in the audience. Krauss told them in their faces muslim is not special.

[@watcanib3161]

Krauss lost that debate. Go watch it again.

[@suraiyameem5481]

Krauss was frustrated how badly he lost the debate lol

[@Badaberybus]

Hamza is very intelligent Guy 👍👍👍

[@AcadFreedom]

What a bunch of dishonest bullies.

[@egalitarianalliance9710]

58:00 We would stand up in your defense but we would not answer 3 simple questions. What a complete lie.

[@suraiyameem5481]

Few Islamic laws do not sum up everything about Islam. Those punishments have conditions, have several steps and regulations. For instance, punishment of stealing is cutting off the hand. But, if that person steals for he is hungry, for he is a miskeen, someone who needs support, then in that case the government he's living under is to be blamed and the leader must be held accountable. But since (unfortunately there isn't any Islamic country that actually follows Islamic laws properly) there is no Baitul-Maal, where there is help for the the poors and the people who are needy, the miskeen, the ruling of stealing the hands do not apply. Because the government has not instill Baitul-Maal process in the country. A reason why Dr.Anas asked Peter to come over to have coffee and discuss about it. It has many sectors and conditions for the rules to be applied and a lot more to know about Islam before jumping into irrelevant conclusions. But what will media do? They will shout Muslims are so evil to cut off hands for such trivial reasons ! What will people like Peter do? They will stick to their mindset and remain ignorants but won't digest or accept a race. Nor will they spend time exploring a religion followed by billions ! A religion which has the highest convert rates. C'mon don't you think they checked Islam and it's laws before accepting? May Allah(swt) grant us deep understanding of Islam.

[@RappyMcRapperson]

Cologne , Hamberg, ext, welcome to Islamic values. Enjoy

[@SDKsa1]

The "fundamentalist" wont exist without the "fundamentals".

[@halaambe]

in an islamic caliphate, this debate cannot even take place.

[@SMK_Mehmet]

because in an islamic caliphate the reason why this debate is taken place wont happen.

[@halaambe]

MehmetCiK 1990 seriously? do you even know islamic history? when was the caliphate without scandal in its entire history? maybe the first two years but that is it.

[@Saiyan1007]

+Haleem AH "Invite (all) to the Way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance. (The Noble Quran, 16:125)"

[@halaambe]

Saiyan what is your point?

[@halaambe]

Hamza ElAmazighi evidence is the quran and sunna, that is sharia. propagation and discussion of anti-islamic ideas is punishable... in some cases even by death.

[@hajerhaha8781]

well violence against muslims is extreme in England compared to the netherlands

[@inHell-rb]

"Don't Hate, DEBATE!" rofl... sure... If this is a debate, i dont want to see more of them and the host. Political correct media... and they are talking about free speech

[@WolfestoneManor]

Hamza: I'm not advocating violence. Me: So murdering people for leaving a religion isn't violent? Okay then...

[@habasoosy2202]

What are you talking about?

[@trueicecoldfire]

These are not words of someone but a Prophet of God!!! Supplication of the Last Prophet and messenger Muhammed SAWS; There is no God but Allah!, O our Lord , You are the Light of the heavens and the earth and whatever is in between, You are the originator of the heavens and the earth and of that which is in it, You are the Supporter,And the Nourisher and Cherisher and Sustainer of the heavens and the earth and of that which is in it , O Allah You are the Truth; and Your statement is true, and Your promise is True, And the meeting with You is True, And Paradise is True, And the Fire is True, And the Hour is True, And the Prophets are True, And Muhammad SWT is True. O my Allaah! I have believed in you , and upon You I have placed my trust, And to your judgement I have submitted, And to you I complain, Forgive me that which I've done in the past, And that I have yet to do, And that which I have done publicly , and that which I will do in secret, You are the First And you are the Last. There is no God but You!!

[@veganath]

Muslim Ant "There is no God but You!!" - Now all u need to do is produce merit worthy evidence for your claims, do u understand why there will always be people who do not believe as u do, simply because they demand higher standards of evidence for claims that are extraordinary, e.g. the existence of a supernatural being who u claim is omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent?

[@DrTariqRamadan]

Simply.. awesome..

[@roxee57]

I don't care if Muslims think their religion is the answer to how best to run a society. I don't believe your religion is true. Secularism is what allows Muslims and non Muslims to live together without any group having a privileged position - including secularists - and all citizens respecting the human rights of each individual

[@yusufmayow3413]

+roxee57 Hey there :) Privilege is relative to perspectives expressing their privileged, underprivileged or not privileged. If the U.K would be an example of secularism, I think you'd see the prob, I think the U.S is good example. What do you think? :)

[@AB-wm6co]

Please read Chapter 109 in the quran

[@stiryotype4695]

+Aisha Bana Was this verse created by muhammed before or after he had gathered his army and started raiding neighboring folks? You are counting on the fact that most non muslims will not know that muhammed was peaceful when he was in mecca and had no army, and then moved to medina, built an army, and the verses became overwhelmingly murderous. Oh and trust me, I can quote peaceful verses from hitlers book, mein kampf as well.

[@blairfranklin7320]

I agree

[@iqbalgalangnusa8987]

roxee57 well i don't believe ur arguments r true..

[@ravis069able]

if tough questions needs to be discussed over a coffee break then why this debate exists ?

[@ahmadibrahim6103]

Peter tachell should never have been invited!

[@veganath]

*_"Peter tachell should never have been invited!"_* on the contrary he contributed a lot to my understanding of Islam by asking perfectly reasonable questions about Sharia law. Questions that were on my mind and the mind of many non-Muslims. Based on this debate & many others I have seen and participated in the West would do well to ban Islam...

[@ahmadibrahim6103]

@@veganath Islam will dominate

[@veganath]

@@ahmadibrahim6103 probably best given our irreconcilable erroneous values systems that non-Muslims leave Muslim countries and Muslims leave non-Muslim countries, until we have the wisdom & maturity to bridge our differences so as to avoid humanities greatest admission to failure *_WAR_* Would that be a reasonable solution?

[@ahmadibrahim6103]

@@veganath here is a better solution non Muslims live under Islamic rule happily ever after.

[@veganath]

@@ahmadibrahim6103 *_"here is a better solution non Muslims live under Islamic rule happily ever after."_* this is the kind of attitude that results in humanities greatest admission to failure *_WAR!_* A better solution would be, we all agree to start over from first principles of equal consideration of interests & a shared longing to NOT have to suffer unnecessarily, and of course use reason & our best methodology to objectively arrive at solutions to problems all humans share i.e., science.

[@manojshrestha3229]

This Hazma's body language is somewhat scary.

[@habasoosy2202]

Why

[@007arian]

What is the use of such discussions while the decisions are made elsewhere ??

[@whisperingwhiskerss4877]

22:01 If praying five times a day makes me an extremist, then grow my beard and call me Osama..🤣😒 Alhamdulilah

[@veganath]

What is extreme is advocating for a legal system where there are circumstances where beautiful humans can be put to death for inherently non-violent acts, e.g. blasphemy, adultery, homosexuality or apostasy. 46:50 was a disgusting performance from the entire Muslim panel in response to a reasonable question. The West needs to ban Islam or any theocratic/political ideology that is the impetus for adherents to cause others(human & non-human) to suffer unnecessarily, period!! I'm open to being convinced otherwise...

[@ravis069able]

No one disagree with you in praying 5 times a day, infact that assimilates you more into the society but not answering specific questions by all muslim panelist about blasphemy, homosexuality etc somehow weakens the poisition here. If not answering question is the premise then everything is correct and whats the point of 1 hour debate. If we have to discuss tough questions over coffee then why waste 2 hour of somebodies time ?

[@veganath]

@@ravis069able well said

[@prasun01]

I would like to know who came up with the Topic " Is islam the cause or Solution to Extremism" ? Any rational person with access to information would have an answer. Irrational response would be you need to first learn Arabic and then get a PHD in islam to understand Islam. The all might to God could not come up with a way to transmit his message so that everyone could understand or is it just a tactic used by these people to deflect arguments because they don't have answers.

[@moi2961]

I think iera should change the thumb nails of these great debates

[@elecsomify]

Peter Tatchell is brave and amazing

[@hihello1297]

lol

[@czgibson3086]

Where are all the intelligent Muslim debaters?

[@offwiththefairies77]

LOL. No such thing mate.

[@joeking1019]

Another ridiculous title. HOW CAN islamic terrorism be the solution to anything? answers on a postage stamp

[@kameelfarag1981]

This debate of the intellectuals should be labeled mildly as the blurring of the facts. Dare I say blurring of the truth and by that I would have crossed the red line? Enough of these ridiculous nonprofitable and futile debates. It is heavy on the ears and sore to the eyes.

[@EesaWaseem]

It seems like Muhammad Amin has double standards?

[@afrivisions2461]

what is wrong with asking a question in a debate?

[@nasr313]

It's not the question its that he had no clear understanding what sharia law is. Sharia law isn't a simple thing in Islam. It can't be summed up with a yes or no answer. Most likely he has his mind made up about Islam it's just to antagonize more than anything.

[@agagagag2609]

"Is fire the cause or solution to burn?"

[@chirpyhasnain903]

is the air the cause or solution of life?

[@ShadesofViolet8]

Excellent debate :)

[@شمايلالحجري]

That man (Peter) is very rude, he is loud and screams a lot. He lacks intellectuality.

[@truthintheknowledge567]

Did u notice there is Brother Subboor Ahmad as an audience...😍?

[@AlbertRei3424]

don’t care

[@truthintheknowledge567]

@@AlbertRei3424 Your hateful comment doesn't matter here...lool

[@AlbertRei3424]

@@truthintheknowledge567 there were doesn't of brothers there, you don't care about them,not kind at all!

[@truthintheknowledge567]

@@AlbertRei3424 I didn't know all of them..I specifically know brother Subbor Ahmad that's I pointed him only...hope u understand...

[@AlbertRei3424]

@@truthintheknowledge567 I mean, that's irrelevant,lots of interesting ideas have been thrown during the debate,you shouldn't care about 1 human being being present in the audience

[@richardwilliams6258]

Overwhelmed by the moderating job Mr moderator. Such great moderation. Well moderated.

[@WolfestoneManor]

Wow, they turned on Mohammed Amin REALLY fast.

[@UmbraForlorned]

Hamza is an intellectual only in his own head.

[@lwazimndzebele6107]

I don't think Islam is the solution... But God...Islam is not God

[@ayanaxhye]

Islam is a way of life from God

[@paraboy007]

islam is solution of all problems. You know why???/Muslims brothers do not fight which each other. they all want what the prophet wanted. the all submit to Allah, and his Messenger Mohammad.Very simple! Isn't this a good peacefull religion? ;-)

[@sagesayyidkhaliifah7024]

great and good!

[@WolfestoneManor]

How about Maajid Nawaz? Oh that's right, his character is slandered at every turn by Muslims.

[@lepermessiah1969]

Extremely telling...

[@RichieW]

the cause.

[@AlbertRei3424]

cowards debate, only hamza and the wnon muslim were here to debate

[@veganath]

5 muslims & 1 other

[@the_eagle_eyes2855]

I would have confiscated his glasses if I was there?

[@thescorpiuslibra1676]

I wish Ayaan Hirsi Ali was there

[@veganath]

*"I wish Ayaan Hirsi Ali was there"* Me to, but I applaud Peter Tatchell's line of questioning wrt to Islamic Sharia 46:50 it was very telling wrt the lack of transparency coming from the Muslim panelists, wow, just wow!! The West needs to ban Islam period!!

[@Hello-ri9dd]

@@veganath lil Timothy probably got bullied at school by a muslim and now everyday seeks revenge against Islam but sadly he is still trying to attain his goal:(

[@veganath]

@@Hello-ri9dd did you have a question, if not do you mind answering some questions about your religion? And please can we agree to avoid language that doesn't contribute to our dialogue in terms of mutual understanding?

[@zamzamismail4547]

Mash Allah nice 👍

[@SudaneseChamp]

This Peter is childish

[@veganath]

Peter asked reasonable questions. So tell me do you agree that under Sharia there should be circumstances where the following inherently non-violent actions, blasphemy, adultery, homosexuality or apostasy calls for capital punishment?

[@SudaneseChamp]

@@veganath The way he acted was very childish. In a muslim country yes I agree with the capital punishment. Regarding homosexuality in terms of the act and that their are 4 witnesses for all the cases. Also regarding apostasy depends on what the apostate does. Do they leave the religion without causing issues. Then it is okay. Also there is context to it from during the times of the Prophet peace be upon him.

[@veganath]

@@SudaneseChamp *"The way he acted was very childish"* or he was simply a minority standing up to censor bullies. The question Peter asked for clarification on was a binary question requiring YES there are circumstances, NO there are no circumstances. Why were the panel reluctant to furnish the answer on a public forum?? Why?? The details as you elaborated on are not necessary. Both he and I simply want to know if under Sharia there are circumstance were people can be put to death for the inherently non-violent acts stated. *"homosexuality in terms of the act and that their are 4 witnesses"* if someone needs to resort to sexual activity in public then that speaks volumes to their state of mind and sense of spiritual grounding, the death penalty is not what they need they are sick, they deserve compassion for the unfortunate state of mind they are living with. *"depends on what the apostate does"* if they are non-violent then where is the need to initiate violence against them e.g. the death penalty. This is the 21st century not the 6th century we humans can do so much better, we have evolved many ways to resolve conflict and it doesn't include resorting to violence!! It should be noted that your prophet Mohammad Peace Be Upon Him (in future please assume out of respect that any time I reference your prophets I implicitly infer Peace Be Upon Him/Her(female prophets??) & for the sake of expedience and not losing intelligibility I will refer to your prophets as Mo & Jesus Christ as JC, I can never get the spelling right for Mo, sorry) as you say advocated for the death penalty for homosexuals and adulterers, and yet your prophet JC forgave an adulterous women who due to the economic pressures as we still endure today resorted to prostitution. Why the contradiction?

[@veganath]

Posting some replies has been hit and miss for me to in the last few days(always make a copy of your comments before hitting the reply button), you may need to try restarting your PC and browser. That worked for me.

[@richardjagger6920]

I am so tired of island been pushed down my throat. It was never the chosen race.

[@aishax01]

I think Peter Thatcher needed to be questioned over what Hamza said, cause yikes....🤣🤣😭wthh

[@veganath]

Peter Tatchell asked a very reasonable question to which the Muslims on the panel refused to answer, why is that? 46:51

[@shamsheerg7519]

Hamza is a hack.

[@zamzamismail4547]

Nice 👍

[@P1000H]

Always the same victim retoric.

[@veganath]

Test Censorship

[@izifaddag8221]

The cause

[@zillellaha7854]

Love this debate all the speakers manage to come at a single point. F the haters :)

[@lwazimndzebele6107]

I like this peter guy...