8 January: Douglas Murray debates Charlie Hebdo attack on Al Jazeera

[@parabola1212]

Douglas had it right, atrocious question. Had to come check this out after listening to Eric Weinstein’s the portal podcast.

[@dogperson432]

Ha! Same!

[@AndHaydon]

@@dogperson432 - Also same!

[@zigfrombushkill292]

Me also.

[@wm5957]

That was a brilliant podcast wow

[@christianwestoo]

✋

[@cameronianwells1839]

Douglas Murray typically fearless and honest. Brilliant!! utmost respect for you.

[@maazkalim]

Bwahahahahaha!

[@peteratkinson922]

​​@@maazkalimWhy does a declaration of respect merit your rather childish derision? I suppose some lives are not worthy to you.

[@maazkalim]

“Declaration of Respect”: Bwahahahahah! My, goodness! Calm down, Andrew Jackson #_____ in Mr "@@peteratkinson922".

[@crispycruiser4654]

@@maazkalim Name checks out. We won't be bullied by you people or your imaginary horse riding prophet in the sky. Capiche?

[@joshzenker8632]

Who here from Portal?

[@newyardleysinclair9960]

Lol I am. Jut listened to that part of the podcast lol

[@CBfrmcardiff]

I shall have to listen to this "Portal" thing now. Douglas Murray was the enfant terrible of British political tv between about 2008 and 2015. On shows where panels of politicians avoided saying anything controversial, Murray was the only "right wing" voice. When Bin Laden was killed in 2011, Douglas Murray was the *only* panel member on BBC's Question Time to say that this was an unequivocally good and just thing to occur. That 2011 incident was particularly interesting because the BBC broadcast a rare "Young Person's Question Time" earlier on the same day, in which the panel was united in saying that Bin Laden's death was a good thing to have occurred. Douglas Murray expresses views and feelings that all too often are marginalised out of existence by the mainstream media.

[@lostcauselancer333]

Me too

[@jjk9999]

The cartoonist from Sudan doesn't draw images of Muhammad not because he chooses not to. It is because he has internalized the blasphemy laws of his culture - he then rationalizes it to be a choice for more conscious reasons. This is the sort of self censorship that blasphemy laws are intended to lead to. He may think it's "respectful" but the process that leads people to rationalize that way starts with with fear.

[@SalmonFume]

Exactly, thank you! At least someone gets it.

[@maazkalim]

Quite rich of you to oh-so-ingeniously try appropriating the words propagated by the Left for '-Nationalist' TPs. Anyhoo.. You're not even a Freud - who has been debunked as "fraud". *Shedding retroactivity:* Less than 5 years later[ from this video's upload] and before you even posted this oh-so-articulate comment - that “cartoonist from Sudan” got his points vindicated by the star-producer of the globe's most successful TV comedy. He has a propensity to constantly partner in restrictive environment, from an Orientalist lens: Obviously far less restrictive than most of the non-Occidental world, but for his national media-market - the partners are #1 and they're notoriously Conservative/Orthodox[ than even their socio-legal competitors/peers]. And yes.. He was not "exercising his free will", he clearly expressed frustration at such restrictions but applied critical-thinking and found that restrictions compelled him and his team to be far more creative than the lack-of-lubrication without those restrictions - would've been for them.

[@maazkalim]

Ya meant plays music to your ears, "@@SalmonFume"? 😏

[@thefreshcocktailcompany]

Very good!

[@Heretic-007]

​@@maazkalimA load of baloney.

[@4ridersify]

The nervous fidgety Muslim cartoonist and the stalwart French and English guests speak volumes about what a life on you knees leads to

[@maazkalim]

Bwahahahahaha! Argument by Gibberish. So much so, that you can't even get the grammar right. Let alone some rudimentary-facts. Ohhh.. Wait! Am I at KZbin® comments-section?

[@lostcauselancer333]

The French guest was about as stalwart as most Frogs.

[@RandoBurner]

5:33 "The question that islam and the western world might be incompatible should never be allowed" Thank you for proving our point.

[@pratapkumara2483]

Watching for Douglas Alone

[@samcad-ho3ze]

Indeed we all are.

[@benwakefield93]

The arrogance and ignorance of the interviewer is reprehensible.

[@CyndeLooWho]

Imagine labeling Douglas Murray as someone from “the far right.” 😂😂

[@CBfrmcardiff]

It's good to see Muslims and admirers of Murray debating on this page whilst agreeing to condemn the murders carried out by these three men. Rather than a simplistic binary division between Muslim and non-Muslim, we're presented with a more complex world, with various divisions and a complicated network of relationships. With a willingness to honestly debate and a respect for those who hold another view, and perhaps a little empathy, there is a chance that the centre will hold, and that the future will continue to be a bright one.

[@SalmonFume]

The West will never yield to these agressive fanatic idiots. Can we publish a cartoon withour getting shot? This is self-censorship don't you understand what they're doing? This is not just condemnation that is needed, this is a clash of civil society against islamic theologic fascist murder gangs.

[@maazkalim]

Ahh... Oh-so-ingenious hormonal screeching, no - "@@SalmonFume"?

[@riyadougla539]

I agree, great comment.

[@CBfrmcardiff]

@@riyadougla539 OMG, was I ever so young?

[@maazkalim]

Both of Murray and his think-tank are sneaky […]. 'Nuff said.

[@shortcutDJ]

10:36 why would you use your power to upset Muslims? Because in order to think, you have to risk beeing offensive.

[@L3th4LQu4rK]

You are a journalist

[@j.lingle4713]

It was an attack not just on freedom of speech/press, but also on Western civilization. As an American, I don’t agree with Germany’s law prohibiting Holocaust denial even though I find it repulsive. As long as someone is not inciting violence (including calling for genocide or terrorist acts), slandering another, committing fraud, etc., one should be allowed to free speech - regardless of how hateful or disgusting his/her speech is. Others have the right to counter that speech or ignore it. What is “hateful” to someone may not be hateful to another.

[@timothydebono2825]

aljazeera - a totally unbiased network.

[@woocash3k]

how truly outdated the legacy media is "sir, you had your time! sir!", "can I interject?" [the host proceeds to ignoring her] "I didn't say [mic off before he says something outside the host narrative "agenda"] this is a no place for any humane conversation - legacy media please go away already

[@Matt7895]

This is laughable. It isn't a debate.

[@maazkalim]

I know, right? As namesake of this institute's fellow, who's his fellow countryMAN's alter-ego would call it: An unadulterated diva. You're welcome to spiral into CD and try..

[@oceanic8424]

Why was this discussion cut short? We needed to see all of it.

[@charrknado]

Your london guest has a name

[@dogperson432]

This host is terrrrrible

[@Bennett2142]

What happened to the rest? she just got cut off. :(

[@maazkalim]

Uh-huh? You do know that “she” is not related to this money-making, opinion-leading/-making enterprise - in any shape-&-form?

[@R09PhillipsM]

@@maazkalim what are you on about? He's asking why a guest on a news programme was cut off mid-conversation?

[@maazkalim]

Are you related to him? Anyhoo.. *To cookie-cutter it:* I was referring to the uploader, Mr "@@R09PhillipsM".

[@R09PhillipsM]

@@maazkalim I've seen other people in this comments section equally confused by your schizophrenic ramblings. I hope English isn't your first language for all our sakes

[@maazkalim]

So you're a bigot?!! What a surprise on "KZbin® comments[-section]", of all places. Yaaawwwnnn, Mr "@@R09PhillipsM".

[@twentythirty6756]

9:04 Absolutely correct. A great point.

[@valkyriesardo278]

What middle line is the cartoonist at the table suggesting? The French and English speakers attest their nations each have a right to national identity and self determination. They are soverign states that prevailed through long centuries of war. The attack on Hebdo was not confined to an assault on freedom of speech, but extended to premeditated murder. The butchers did not simply smash a printing press, burn books, or boycott a bookshop. They took human life. That is a far more grievous breach of human values then a claim of delicate sensibilities affronted by ink on paper. The commentator insists on discussing cultural incompatibility. What middle line can a free nation reach with people that have with no sense of reciprocity and who so readily break faith with humanity? "Walk on egg shells and we promise not to kill you....maybe." Whatever Islam may choose to beleive about itself in all of it's different interpretations, for other people the sacred figures of Islam are fiction, essentially no different than Santa Claus or Thor. The quran is not the ultimate truth, but just another book. The literature of France and England are cherished around the globe. England's Thomas Paine was the Prometheus of American independence. The people of the free world are under no obligation to acknowledge spiritual symbols by any perception but their own. We shield mythology to indulge our children and ask more maturity from adults. England and France were in large part the allied force that defeated the Nazi Third Reich. Why would they now concede any particle of that freedom to yet another form of tyranny, voluntarily hold themselves hostage to random emotional instability? In western cultures there is a phrase "the terrible two's". It refers to a stage of toddler development when a young child experiments with throwing temper tantrums to exert his demands. The wise parent does not reinforce bad behavior with a cookie.

[@maazkalim]

Your somewhat ill-grammar aside.. And I don't have any good-reason to believe you carry good-faith to begin with.. But just to obey the Laws of Scientific-Reasoning: Well.. Because: A) It's not about Britain. It's about France and its dynamics. B) I assume he might be your Messiah, but the RW fellow of this RW institute was just too eager to have a field-practice. AJE® wanted the representation. They got a veritable bounty as a loose rabid-dog who couldn't resist spitting fallacies in many ways. Including but not limited to, starting from attacking the moderator's acumen to finishing off by attacking them as a whole, 'course. C) As clearly demonstrated in the video, France did introduce restrictions. Including but not limited to, the widely-cherished neo-religion of Patriotism/Nationalism by banning "injury" to petty materials like the national-flag and other such symbols of [geo]political-significance. Philosophically, it opens a can of worms of the limitations on part of Civilised Humans, particularly those who love to get themselves addressed as an agnostics/atheists and so and such. But that's out-of-the-scope. But overall.. Such restrictions are mere tip-of-the-iceberg in yet-another widely recognised practice of Hypocrisy.( *SPOILERS:* The French excel in that!) *P.S.* Bwahahahaha! I haven't got enough time and resources to waste so.. I missed that in your metaphor, you literally equated Charlie Hebdo® with "adults". 🤭🤭😂😂🤣🤣🤣 Wait.. Come to think of it, even senile genarians are technically "adults". Alas.. They've far too much common with minors in the normalised-bigotry of ageism, than the ideal picture of an "adult".

[@Heretic-007]

​@@maazkalimAhh yes more delicious Disinformation. Jihadist fellow is using the RW bogeyman to demonize dissent while Islam is the most far right ideology in practice today.

[@Heretic-007]

​@@maazkalimthere is nothing scientific about your Depraved doublespeak you shit stain on humanity.

[@davidkelly3883]

Douglas: 1 Muhammad: 0

[@alejandroblakes]

We need you in power

[@maazkalim]

Whom?!?

[@eujg84]

Please lady, in science there are theories that can be supported by scientific evidence and which can be challenged. Challenging scientific evidence does not make you an ideologist. There are no dogmas in science. Altogether, fallacious and hypocritical argumentation of the two lads on the screen.

[@jon8864]

Thankyou!

[@jon8864]

If that were the case Einstien would have been jailed for arguing against Newton's laws.

[@maazkalim]

I know, right? Besides, her argument that "the whole of world's" historians have a dead-set, precise consensus on the events of Nazi genocidal-events is not just misrepresenting rudimentary-facts, it gloriously even glosses over the socio-cultural credence given to the events described as "the Holocaust". Nevermind the semantics and history≠science. Regardless.. *Need I spell-out:* She was hundreds of millions of times better than the fellow of this uploader's institute, who was just there as a loose, barking-dog.

[@Curious_er]

DM ftw

[@omarsadiqYouTube]

This guy really annoys me

[@briansimons9472]

In Islam Blasphemy is a capital offence.

[@voulafisentzidis8830]

In Islamic countries but not in the UK where church and state are separate and where the law is above religion. Those who wish to follow sharia law, need to move to Muslim countries.

[@rextyrannos4517]

I miss the days when Murray's plan was to pretend to be Hitchens

[@serenityinside1]

?? Are you trying to be clever?!

[@rextyrannos4517]

no@@serenityinside1

[@Dabes88]

because its funny anoying babies lol

[@issamh2553]

@stevens parris ward. first of all, i condemn the homicide. those killers have not perceived the message of Islam. in 1970, the former french president "charles de gaulle" died in a village called Colombey-les-deux-Eglises 8 days after a disaster which took place in a club where 146 french citizens were burnt to death. the magazine hara-kiri-hebdo headlined "tragic ball at colombey, one dead" . the magazine was banned by the french minister of the interior. in order for them to escape the ban, they changed the name of the magazine to charlie hebdo. in 2008, a veteran cartoonist named "sine" portrayed nicholas sarkozy's son in a cartoon making fun of the fact that the latter converted to judaism. prior to that in 2007 during his presidential campaign, nicholas sarkozy expressed his support to the magazine."sine" was unfairly dismissed and accused for antisemitism. he sued the magazine, the latter was sentenced to pay "sine" 100,000$ . what kind of freedom of speech are we looking at here? in the past two years, the magazine was struggling to avoid bankruptcy, they needed a solution to make money,so they started making their mindless cartoons again INSULTING not criticizing their fellows french Muslim citizens. what kind of tolerance are we talking about? ironically, this whole conflict was tackled by the french philosopher jean jacques rousseau 3 centuries ago during the enlightenment in his book "the social contract"; some of his ideas reworded by Zechariah Chafee "my freedom ends where your freedom begins". Suddenly, Mr, stevens turns into an expert in the holy Quran, while scholars spent their entire lives trying to understand the meanings of Quran. I quote "The Socialist has clearly never read the precepts of the Koran which call for death of unbelievers". don't take verses out of their context, it only spreads bigotry and it's like adding fuel to the flame. i am sure if you read the Quran with an open mind and without prejudice you wouldn't be claiming what you are claiming now. "whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors." chapter 5,verse 32.

[@maazkalim]

👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 BTW, you are cognisant of the fact that: The loose, rabid-dog of a panellist is nowhere close to a Socialist. He's as antithetical to Socialism, as it can get. And there's a word for such barking.

[@Heretic-007]

Stop victim shaming you bigot. Why do atleast a dozen Islamic impose death penalty for perceived Blasphemy against islam? 🤡

[@Heretic-007]

​@@maazkalimYou are the rabid dog and a complete shit stain on humanity you islamo-nazi

[@eagleroyal8416]

A reply to the woman speaking: Radical Islam is not Mohammad, it is the extremist, the terrorists. The prophet negated anything extreme, Muslims are taught always to be in the middle ground, everything that is too much is not allowed. The ideology of radical Islam is not compatible with ridiculing the prophet, there's no issue if they attacked Al-Qaeda or ISIS or something else.

[@TorAndreKongelf]

Muhammed was in charge of mass killings and murders of non-muslim. How is this negating tanything extreme?

[@codedlogic]

Muhammad was an extremist.

[@eagleroyal8416]

Well clearly you don't know the guy, you don't even deserve to have even the stupidest answer due to the fact that there's no substance on your stup!d comments.

[@codedlogic]

Eagle Royal If you don't understand that Muhammad was an extremist than you need to brush up on your history buddy. He was a brutal warlord that advocated the destruction of an entire people. His generals carried out genocide against the Zoroastrians. You don't get much more extreme than that.

[@anirudhk217]

i doubt he would shoot you.

[@huss03]

Definitely Douglas Murray's weirdest media appearance. What was that first answer all about? Did he even listen to the question? Not cool Douglas...Not cool...

[@xtrajently]

Duglas was 100% correct to expose AJ's nerretive and theyr attempt to spin that story.

[@peacewarrior1175]

Douglas was 100% correct - the host is a moron

[@maazkalim]

Bwahahahahaha! Sounds fun, Ms "@@xtrajently". Please try rephrasing, perhaps?

[@maazkalim]

But your Messiah didn't say that, though! Pray tell, did you get accreditation[ for Psychiatry] from the very same educational-institute as your Messiah did for his own, "@@peacewarrior1175"? Because, other than very fact that your comment is emblematic of "KZbin® comments[-section]", even the way it is conveyed.. *P.S.* Had to type twice. Besides.. Who knows when[ and if] will my comment be withheld? Although, the least I can expect( not just ‘anticipate’) for it to not be the case.

[@dogperson432]

@@maazkalim the fuck are you talking about

[@eagleroyal8416]

Ok Murray, what if I posted a ridiculous cartoon about your mother or your father wouldn't you be affected? Well some people might get depressed and on the act of desperation since no one tries to hear what they have to say it might lead to another form of action which is what the perpetrators of the victim did. So Murray try to see this on a mutual ground as yours so you can understand it, a lot of people suffered from the unwise-cartoon that was made, and the aftermath is all of this. Still no lesson learned? It is just simple, we as a human should not publicly talk-ill about someone, "add fuel to the fire" a group of journalist made a disgusting image about a groups leader. It is just that simple. Freedom of speech should not be abused nor have the right to hurt others. It is that simple really.

[@codedlogic]

If the government tried to stop you from drawing a ridiculous cartoon of his mother Douglas Murray would defend your right to draw the picture. If someone threatened to harm you over the cartoon, Douglas Murray would condemn such hate and stand up for you. I don't much care for Islam. I think it is one of the worst religions this planet has ever seen. But I stand for your right to to be a Muslim and practice your religion. The only cavet is - you can't step on other peoples rights while exercising your rights. No one is forcing Muslims to draw pictures of Muhammad. But Muslims have no right to tell anyone else that they can't draw such pictures either.

[@47issa]

Your argument is insane. Firstly Douglas Murray has actually had to be protected in his home country because of things he says. He is a gay man living in London. and is supposed to accept that Muslim hate preachers (not all Muslim preachers) can call for his death in the most awful way simply because of how he lives, these people are breaking the law but we do nothing, these people that burn poppies and picket coffins -they are protected by freedoms that do not exist outside of the western world, human rights laws and free values that mean as much to us as Mohammed could ever mean to a Muslim. Murray once said that people should understand that a society where your deepest feelings can be trampled on is the only society worth living in. I don't think he would care if you made a mean drawing of him or his family (this is irrelevant as hating on people has no connection to critiquing or in fact DRAWING religious figures - that is obvious) He certainly wouldn't kill someone because they offended him or hurt his feelings. He has been called a racist and other awful things in particular relating to his personal identity. You are talking about a man who believes that David Irving should be able to say his holocaust denying filth because it will show how sick and wrong he is and because free speech is sacred and we not to debate, deride and critique. He is a libertarian. Please try and know something before you comment. Murray knows an incredible amount the radical Islamist movement in Europe and in Europe, he personally knows people who have been attacked and had to leave countries because of their films about a religion that worships like an ideal, a man who married a child and murdered people. In the western world that has to be questioned and ridiculed as beyond comprehension just like Christopher Hitchins (a friend of Murray) ridiculed Jesus and Judaism. I am a Protestant Christian by the way.

[@SW-fk3rb]

" what if I posted a ridiculous cartoon about your mother or your father wouldn't you be affected?" No. Because it's a fucking cartoon.

[@boss180888]

IF I WAS TRYING TO SELL MY MOTHER AS A POLITICAL FIGURE TO BE ADOPTED BY EVERY HUMAN AS THEIR MOTHER AND TO FOLLOW HER goddamn yes you could mock the fuck out of her!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@codedlogic]

boss180888 Hahaha, well said!