If I could give LITERALLY ONE tip to every Tekken player....

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PhiDX

PhiDX

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@Dyleniz
@Dyleniz 14 күн бұрын
People forget JDCR during his prime and dominating years released a full on video about one jab
@MrDrumStikz
@MrDrumStikz 13 күн бұрын
Literally the single best Tekken video I've seen; I feel that that video alone leveled up my gameplay about six times over.
@TheAssirra
@TheAssirra 13 күн бұрын
Is that video still somewhere around? Seems very handy as newbie.
@salemgutoc4058
@salemgutoc4058 13 күн бұрын
Yeah, I learn a lot in tekken because of JDCR.
@miguelt727
@miguelt727 13 күн бұрын
Also knee.
@0o0sean0o0SPC
@0o0sean0o0SPC 13 күн бұрын
​@@MrDrumStikzwhat video is that??
@enockcatalan249
@enockcatalan249 14 күн бұрын
I'm always so focused on "- on block", "+ on block". I never actually thought about "+ on hit", especially for something a simple as a Jab. Wow.
@loto7197
@loto7197 13 күн бұрын
Lol what
@MrDelmot1
@MrDelmot1 13 күн бұрын
Part of getting out of blue ranks imho is hit confirming your "on hit" scenarios. Really hard to do with a single 1 jab but easier to do with bigger moves. Easy rule to follow is when you hit them, hit them again unless it's a negative on hit low.
@enockcatalan249
@enockcatalan249 13 күн бұрын
@@loto7197 Idk if ur trolling, but no hate. If you didn't understand what I said, I'm wondering how you understood the video. I guess using - + symbols is confusing? Anyway, I meant "Minus on block", "plus on block", and "plus on hit".
@xRhychux
@xRhychux 13 күн бұрын
​@@loto7197 Tekken concepts are multifaceted, people focus on different aspects at different times...
@jaleelkahn7032
@jaleelkahn7032 13 күн бұрын
Crazy how that works but yeah. The way people stress fundamentals kinda makes pressing the frame advantage on hit sound reckless
@FeyrirCW
@FeyrirCW 13 күн бұрын
I feel so stupid for never having considered how the better frame advantage of a CH jab leads to me being able to play higher reward frame traps. I think I would sometimes do it intuitively but never played these interactions deliberately or understood why they worked. Super well structured and presented video, thanks Phi.
@Thinker117-j2r
@Thinker117-j2r 14 күн бұрын
Remember fellas, Its not a gameplan to follow, you add this onto your gameplan, most intermediate players will block after on hit, but if you overload their mental, e.g mixups, lows mids, not finishing stance etc. they will get frustated and mash into you.
@Red_PlaysYT
@Red_PlaysYT 13 күн бұрын
This is helpful, thanks!
@hiimpranav
@hiimpranav 13 күн бұрын
This is probably the one piece of game plan that will probably help red rank players the most other than learning punishers ngl, once this concept had clicked for me i levelled up imediately
@kingkino2116
@kingkino2116 13 күн бұрын
"they will get frustrated and mash into you" this is so real ngl. Im usually a very patient player and focus on staying in frame til i get a read, but after a couple rounds of dealing with Ling's mixups and seeing all of my different mid checks get evaded, I'm gonna mash an embarassing amount of hopkicks and powercrushes
@Sqwaggies
@Sqwaggies 14 күн бұрын
Watching a video like this just goes to show how little I truly understand about tekken and how much I have yet to learn to get better
@citorodriguez4235
@citorodriguez4235 14 күн бұрын
agreed. I gotta learn more about other characters frame traps that first jin one kinda blew me away. Also unaware that bryan is +8 ob jab
@aqueelkadri8371
@aqueelkadri8371 13 күн бұрын
​@@citorodriguez4235everyone is +8 on jab
@TheTanSteele
@TheTanSteele 13 күн бұрын
Yeah, I'm in the same boat, but I think I'm getting better bit by bit. My big problem at the moment is knowing is one thing, implementing another. Some things I just don't have the reflexes for.
@IWantToStayAtYourHouse
@IWantToStayAtYourHouse 13 күн бұрын
@@citorodriguez4235every character is +8 on jab...
@Brysolation
@Brysolation 13 күн бұрын
As a low-level Bryan main, I can confirm there's a lingering obsession with wanting to just land those big juicy counter hits that I often don't stay mindful of "little" things like when to jab.
@leandrodavid6256
@leandrodavid6256 12 күн бұрын
Forwarded your video to my friend that plays as Bryan. I want everyone improving at the game 😊 Great video!
@Tachyon10007
@Tachyon10007 14 күн бұрын
*me trying this* the game: wild yoshimitsu appeared
@gizzad
@gizzad 13 күн бұрын
Facts!!
@thefabledenglishman6000
@thefabledenglishman6000 13 күн бұрын
Using jabs only becomes more important against Yoshi. At +8, anything faster than i14 will beat flash.
@avgoldhead7207
@avgoldhead7207 13 күн бұрын
Hell nawl 😂😂😂😂
@nyrva2876
@nyrva2876 13 күн бұрын
@@thefabledenglishman6000 No, yoshi can evade jabs with a df 2 launcher if timed correctly. Also no yoshi will use flash after getting hit. Mostly used on blocked attacks. And if yoshi's opponent has such an advantage as being +8 at minimum, he won't use flash.
@Supreme_Asura
@Supreme_Asura 13 күн бұрын
With yoshi you have to stagger your pokes jab wait jab step jab frame trap that’s the way
@TheGianGame
@TheGianGame 13 күн бұрын
If they do anything after you get a +4 move you can just jet upper, people sleeps over that (I was one of those). The only way out is a down jab on b1, but if they do that you can orbital heel the next time. But the real love for Brian comes from the mental frame and how stacked is mindgame really is, the character has one of the most simple move list but one of the most complex and advanced gameplan!
@IWantToStayAtYourHouse
@IWantToStayAtYourHouse 13 күн бұрын
Is jet upper a high tho? Ppl can duck and launch if they get a good read
@Merumya
@Merumya 12 күн бұрын
I absolutely hate fighting bryan. no other character makes me feel so fucked like he does. feels like everything he does is ch or +frame.
@hathehandsome3875
@hathehandsome3875 13 күн бұрын
I understand why that player may have felt that way. Especially if they're coming from street fighter. I've been so used to frame traps being on block and it wasn't until i played some nrs games and learned about jailing that I began to understand frame trapping with on-hit frame data. But once someone opens your eyes to it, it's almost like sharingan unlocked for the first time. All your friends will think you're cheating.
@JBlxckk
@JBlxckk 14 күн бұрын
this is the deeper tekken i seek i neeed more content like dis
@oblivion294
@oblivion294 13 күн бұрын
Moves I used in my 16 year of playing Tekken ( I play Jin, Feng, Leo, King) 10f jab (universal) 12f mid (if your char has it) f3 for Jin, b4 for feng etc 13f mid (universal) low pokes thats all you need
@Supreme_Asura
@Supreme_Asura 13 күн бұрын
Someone who is enlightened I never thought I would meet my kind in tekken 8 solid advice
@focusrite2929
@focusrite2929 12 күн бұрын
I'd like to add 15f launcher to that aswell
@UltimateBallaPOM
@UltimateBallaPOM 12 күн бұрын
So you have 4 GoDs!? Impressive!
@UltimateBallaPOM
@UltimateBallaPOM 12 күн бұрын
​​@@focusrite2929 Arslan Ash dominated with Zafina... And Akuma needed resources to launch at 15f
@KaneA87
@KaneA87 12 күн бұрын
27yrs of playing . . . solid advice
@MrLGDdestroyer
@MrLGDdestroyer 9 күн бұрын
"I feel like a collage professor typing like this"... Dude you are our Tekken Professor! 😂
@Yorsem
@Yorsem 13 күн бұрын
Man I needed this reminder. I'm giving blue rank players too much credit and not frame trapping them, but expecting them to respect plus frames
@IWantToStayAtYourHouse
@IWantToStayAtYourHouse 13 күн бұрын
I just look at their defense stats. If its like 80 and over i expect them to respect plus frames. Otherwise i expect them to mash and i abuse plus frames
@authenticinari-fox8164
@authenticinari-fox8164 13 күн бұрын
reminder is that you need to test your opponents. do your -11 and -12 strings and see if they punish them, people tend to try to punish with 13f+ or their 10f punish especially in blue and below , so u can take more risk and get punished less. you gotta try stuff and see how they respond.
@elbraguetabierta
@elbraguetabierta 13 күн бұрын
If they respect your frames you apply a slow mixup till they start disrespecting , then you frame trap
@zeldamage001
@zeldamage001 13 күн бұрын
Awesome stuff! This is quite a complicated part of Tekken that is often overlooked. I feel people want to win using launchers and optimal combos, because that's easy to learn (just takes a lot of solo practice) and they don't understand frames and frame traps.
@imagineenjoying6664
@imagineenjoying6664 12 күн бұрын
This was such a good informative video man. Loved it and i wished for more like this.
@Giraffinator
@Giraffinator 13 күн бұрын
There's this strong connection between "frame trap" and "block string" in my head that i didn't i had.
@pineapplesuds8349
@pineapplesuds8349 13 күн бұрын
i been watching your videos since the launch of tekken 8 and the improvements i've made are due to your analysis videos and watching how you approach the game. I love being in this student mode it's fun to learn new things and apply more to my game.
@auddiegoddie1561
@auddiegoddie1561 14 күн бұрын
i feel like i just opened a third eye, never thought about jab like this
@authenticinari-fox8164
@authenticinari-fox8164 13 күн бұрын
i see now why blue rank was so easy to get, now that i think about it no one else abuses jab or df1 at that low and i do, only after prowess 200k do players seem to have decent neutral
@SlCKNESS_
@SlCKNESS_ 10 күн бұрын
I don't mean to be rude, in fact I'm asking this in the nicest way possible, but HOW DID YOU think about jab then? If you never thought about it like that before. I'm just curious. Cause it's not some super advanced concept. It's the most basic concept of a fighting game, not to mention it's also part of actual fighting or at least combat sports like boxing and MMA.
@auddiegoddie1561
@auddiegoddie1561 10 күн бұрын
@@SlCKNESS_ thought jab was just something to keep people from pressing but never thought of using it to get more frames from frame traps
@SlCKNESS_
@SlCKNESS_ 10 күн бұрын
@@auddiegoddie1561 Fair enough. Another thing to note about the importance of jabs - I'm sure you've heard about -5 (frame disadvantage) being when you can't sidestep anymore. That "rule" comes from jabs starting to track at -5. You can, in fact, sidestep a lot of (slower) moves at -5. Sidestepping is a lot more complex than that, but that's why that rule is there in the first place.
@auddiegoddie1561
@auddiegoddie1561 10 күн бұрын
@ damn this is crazy info, didnt know about jabs not tracking after 5 frames
@Vindex010
@Vindex010 13 күн бұрын
Not just yoshimitsu btw. Xiaoyu B1 also comes at 8 frames minimum (varies, depending on the weather), so it actually beats some moves out of jab hit
@wekkimeif7720
@wekkimeif7720 13 күн бұрын
These are small nice info tid bits. Having my first ever official tournament next weekend which includes Tekken 8
@Mars-dg5pl
@Mars-dg5pl 11 күн бұрын
I believe that you perfectly explained this, wonderful video my man!
@marwenjemai6368
@marwenjemai6368 14 күн бұрын
this is what makes people understand frame data well no joke but i understood frames through the same topic before
@JinKay797
@JinKay797 13 күн бұрын
That momento when you get out of full screen mode to type in twitch chat but you realize that you're on youtube
@VuTran1902-xyz
@VuTran1902-xyz 12 күн бұрын
Its usually not just about the reward, but also the mental warfare
@TheSLashera
@TheSLashera 14 күн бұрын
When you mentioned that focus on big launchers. It reminds me of when I first started towards the end of T7. My first choice for main was Bryan and oh boy, was I bad at it! My primary neutral tool was ws1. Lmao. I don't know how much of it is due to Bryan's design where neutral is kinda weird, but I really couldn't get into poking and neutral play until way later when I picked up Kazumi for this specific purpose. I kinda wish they'd bring her back. She was never my "main", but I'll die on the hill that she is by far the best training character in Tekken just to hone your fundamentals.
@El-Burrito
@El-Burrito 13 күн бұрын
I see this is why people call Bryan a momentum based character
@jerrellgonzalez791
@jerrellgonzalez791 13 күн бұрын
literally something I was going to ask about on stream, wild how all your vids really have lined up just when I wonder them.
@ThisIsNotSGHNTZ
@ThisIsNotSGHNTZ 9 күн бұрын
If you do B1 and it's blocked you can do D2 and it will trade with jab, it gives nothing big, but it's +12 and the opponent recovers in crouching, literally nothing he can do, so you are free to do a low, 3+4, anything you want, plus as an extra it gives a guaranteed U1+2 throw attempt at the wall(you can only break it). This also work after F3 and FC DF2, but only on hit. Bryan also has 1+2 on hit into B4, it will trade with a jab, gives nothing big in the open(just makes the FF2/QCB1 follow up easier), but at the wall you can do 3+4,2 wall splat for ridiculusly high damage because it's +19.
@sstanford1331
@sstanford1331 14 күн бұрын
ur previous vids helped me jump from fujin to tekken king today so thanks🙏🏾, funny enough i used this very concept
@kentdiamonde.rosales3723
@kentdiamonde.rosales3723 11 күн бұрын
Learning new Tekken knowldge almost everytime I watch your videos. Thank you Coach PhiDX
@jeromeng
@jeromeng 14 күн бұрын
Im here before he changes his video title for no reason at all Part 2.
@Spades20XX
@Spades20XX 14 күн бұрын
It’s video creator meta here on YT to attract more/ core viewers. Try to understand
@zacharyalan4977
@zacharyalan4977 14 күн бұрын
@@Spades20XX It's a title. To a video. To organize the hundreds of other videos created by the same person, many with different themes and messages, that I'm trying to watch to improve. Try to understand
@logvjp
@logvjp 14 күн бұрын
Im here bc I know this person. He's a man of culture
@sstanford1331
@sstanford1331 13 күн бұрын
​@@zacharyalan4977Could always just make a playlist or look on his channel itself
@aoneko6813
@aoneko6813 9 күн бұрын
Oh wow, hadn't thought of it this way. Thank you!
@ahmadezat7399
@ahmadezat7399 14 күн бұрын
Am a Bryan main, yes I still agree b1 pressure frame traps arent that useful. Because ur opponent has not only 1 counter play but multiple counterplays, them jabing, down jabs, df 2 and Bryan's jabs in t8 are linear both sides. All am saying Bryan's b1 frame traps are useless unless used right (Bryan as a concept he is not meant to play aggressively more like a timing bully) b1 is meant to force a reaction on ur opponent like to see what type of retaliation method they would be using and figure best way to stop it. However, after b1 there is a really strong frame trap that in my opinion more reliable than jab also, single D2. This move alone - 2 on block allows movement pressure, has follow up ch launcher pressure that is only - 10, and the really neat part if u traded with jabs ur opponent - 8 in crouch position making 3+4 almost homing mid if they mash they get ch, and if they trade with u with down jab u still get jin frame trap in a sense of ch launching. Which D2 +8 is easier to apply than a jab in my opinion specially when u play online. 👌
@alondjeckto
@alondjeckto 14 күн бұрын
People sleep on Bryans d2
@ahmadezat7399
@ahmadezat7399 14 күн бұрын
@alondjeckto forgot to mention if they did anything slower than a jab while disrespecting you, you can ch confirm 3 after D2, at wall it wall splats, without wall knocks down for okie 👍 The only down side of this move got no tracking to left side but even if they step left 3 will still ch launch them if they step immediately press. Delaying 3 also makes it track a bit more to that side as well. So it's still a mind game on whiff too but side walk completely beats it as u would be at Bryan's back 👍
@Kenkyou_Nogata
@Kenkyou_Nogata 14 күн бұрын
​@@alondjeckto It is the animation. It feels heavy like B1 so it gives the deception of it being like an i20 move and looks like it has -9 recovery. But you are right.
@djangotur0910
@djangotur0910 14 күн бұрын
@@ahmadezat7399 I think at +4 or +5 (like after a hatchet for example) there‘s a ss-mixup as well, where d2 tracks one way and df2 the other. So it gets rly tough for the oppononent do to anything if you show your options well enough.
@ahmadezat7399
@ahmadezat7399 14 күн бұрын
@@djangotur0910 doesn't apply in tekken 8, tekken 7 I would say yes. In tekken 8 df2 is linear both sides kzbin.info/www/bejne/oJ6lg36jq7ubjqcsi=YTdf2wrrrWhLp4os
@brandonm9024
@brandonm9024 11 күн бұрын
Commenting to say thanks for the help as always, Phi!
@iyancaceres6715
@iyancaceres6715 12 күн бұрын
Thank you. This helped a lot 👏🏼
@EnvyMizuhashi
@EnvyMizuhashi 13 күн бұрын
The 1 jab on plus frames is a strong part of "Little Tekken," and sometimes you have to be reminded that it's okay to be low committal in your approach sometimes. You get to be at plus frames with more often AND you get time to study your opponent's defensive habits. That's not so different from "the 3 Lights Rule" in SF6, or *any* footsy fighter, now that I think about it.
@SlCKNESS_
@SlCKNESS_ 10 күн бұрын
It's also part of real combat sports like boxing and MMA. Jab is a fundamental move. Also, "little tekken" is basically how you go from mediocre to actually good at the game. That's all Tekken is at higher level. It's not even about "low committal approach sometimes", it's how the game plays/works at higher skill levels.
@IleOddity
@IleOddity 13 күн бұрын
This was extremely helpful. I was really struggling to understand the value of the b1 frame trap.
@corygonzalez7688
@corygonzalez7688 14 күн бұрын
Can we get a PhiDX Bryan to GoD arc?
@mastermind6000
@mastermind6000 12 күн бұрын
seeing you copy and past "space" "arrow" "space" gives me flashbacks. the google docs for my guide videos probably contain 8 million arrows each and I'm this far away from making it a keyboard macro. I'm such a stickler for notation when explaining stuff, and youtube has very dumb rules about special characters. keep making this amazing content!
@isaacmeredith9421
@isaacmeredith9421 8 күн бұрын
This will help me a lot. I watch people play and spam but this will help
@mosdeaf
@mosdeaf 13 күн бұрын
2,3 starts at 10 frames and has a quick, mid follow up that knocks down and gives spacing on block
@JosEffigy
@JosEffigy 13 күн бұрын
Say you're plus 4 against yoshimitsu and then you jab X_X an dead but yea zamn i never thought jab was THAT plus on hit and chaining plus frames into even more frametraps
@marcoliviertoure1676
@marcoliviertoure1676 12 күн бұрын
Very instructive! Thanks!
@fuja9582
@fuja9582 13 күн бұрын
as a bryan main this is what ive been missing tbh i use frame trap just not to its full potential as shown in the video. so thx a lot man
@ThisIsNotSGHNTZ
@ThisIsNotSGHNTZ 10 күн бұрын
One of Bryan's best move is 1 jab and I'm not lying. He has the most extensions from it, combined with his amazing CH game, of course his 1 jab is important.
@MohDraws
@MohDraws 13 күн бұрын
Perfect timing on this video. I've just picked up Bryan and he's so fun
@FhargaZ
@FhargaZ 13 күн бұрын
My man just giving extra knowledge with the armor and rage art. You videos are awesome, tell max to try other character later 😂
@sevenstringsyndicate6250
@sevenstringsyndicate6250 12 күн бұрын
No one teaches these concepts better 🙌🙌
@IlCremo
@IlCremo 14 күн бұрын
People forgot that Kazumi in Tekken 7 had almost litterally NO MOVES that was + on block in her entire movelist and she was still top tier until nerfs came. Tekken 8 players are too soft these days.
@Vospi
@Vospi 13 күн бұрын
I was a Kazumi main, I didn't forget. 😢😢😢
@SlCKNESS_
@SlCKNESS_ 10 күн бұрын
People aren't soft, they're just low skill. People being soft is an entirely different thing.
@tabkg5802
@tabkg5802 12 күн бұрын
1 jab hit confirm into f4 made my Jin so much better its kinda funny. Seemingly such a simple thing but it works damn well. It's weird how many people mash on +8
@hollowedboi5937
@hollowedboi5937 12 күн бұрын
Unlock the next situation. Part of mind games is using your damn head. Thx Phi.
@BullC6
@BullC6 13 күн бұрын
b1 high evasion can help in counterhitting jab strings after jab +8 btw
@arcticbulktoaster348
@arcticbulktoaster348 13 күн бұрын
this is like a lesson on delayed gratification lol amazing job phi. also question btw, how do i become more analytic in the heat of battle like how do i forget the past interaction and dwell on the current one? feel like that's my problem.
@epictcg4424
@epictcg4424 13 күн бұрын
In tekken when you're minus 6 or plus in anyway. You still have a lot of option. -6 you can parry, power crush, and SS. Basically you can still steal your turn back. Bryan back 1 is deadly asf.... people don't know how dangerous it is to get plus frame and simply back dash. Aldo any plus frame into 1 jab I'd a gurantee trap unless they SS or duck. And that's where the true mind game of tekken comes into play. That's what makes the game fun.
@AceHatake
@AceHatake 13 күн бұрын
One of the best Tekken channels easily
@micshaz
@micshaz 13 күн бұрын
Remember that a jab on hit is usually a lot more + than your blocked mids
@hyperionmetalcore
@hyperionmetalcore 13 күн бұрын
Tekken King Bryan here. I've just learnt another tech, adding it to my arsenal, thanks Phidx :D Great content!
@DoverMusic875
@DoverMusic875 13 күн бұрын
I needed this video dude.
@ParkourGrip
@ParkourGrip 14 күн бұрын
For me f3 on block into 1,2,4 seems to produce better resaults only because its a knoledge check. Standard counterplay for b1 on block since the don of time has been down jab or sidestep and both beats jab. It is however usefull to know that b1->jab will trap those new tekken 8 players that immediatly powercrush as soon as they loose turn. Now about jab hitting for +8 and then frame trapping again is a bit too optimistic. I dont see a reason for the opponent to mash again after just getting hit. I woud just use the +8 for a hatchet/sockerkick/orbital mixup. Also i would atleast let the full 1,2,1 or 1,2,4 string rip cause its guaranteed on CH.
@bluecrab5409
@bluecrab5409 13 күн бұрын
Oh hell yeah, finally some Bryan content, awesome
@muzzer27_
@muzzer27_ 3 күн бұрын
In Tekken, "if you don't know what to do, do a down two."
@foxmind2490
@foxmind2490 14 күн бұрын
I’m a Heihachi main, and it’s actually incredible how much I have to use his jab for set ups
@alimctaven7417
@alimctaven7417 13 күн бұрын
I’m an anti-heihachi main and i noticed if y’all don’t jab y’all lose like 80% of the time.
@russdellapenna
@russdellapenna 13 күн бұрын
Jeez, that seems so obvious, but I just had not considered it. I've been finding and implementing so many +5 traps hunting for launchers, and something so useful has been sitting in my face that I can build with and fend off pressure with, ive already got some ideas to go and get in the lab with. Can't say enough about the good you and your community have done for me personally. Tekken 8 would be a much less fun place without you. 🤘🏻
@Mad77max77
@Mad77max77 12 күн бұрын
I love the science of Fighting games
@illiahryhorak5860
@illiahryhorak5860 14 күн бұрын
12:37 here
@aracystic28
@aracystic28 13 күн бұрын
I kid you not I was just bitching to myself about this when I was playing last night. Awesome video Phi!!
@mccollio0909
@mccollio0909 13 күн бұрын
I'd have loved to have seen the same video concept, but on paul. At least bryan does have safe 13f mid checks to take advantage off his +4. Paul's got no safe 13f mid check to take advantage of the samz situations. Either he has to go high (risking a duck launch), got totally unsafe on a 12f but launch punishable shoulder or powercrush... Or give up the frames, thus conditioning the opponent into pressing and allowing your decent high traps to shine.
@deeziusnutsicanus3852
@deeziusnutsicanus3852 13 күн бұрын
If your opponent is mashing ws4 after f1+2 on block, your 4 will ch them. If they mash crouch jab you can step and punish
@mccollio0909
@mccollio0909 12 күн бұрын
​@@deeziusnutsicanus3852 Yep, like I said, 4 would be a high. It's a mind game as much as it is a frame trap
@Ryan-gh4iz
@Ryan-gh4iz 10 күн бұрын
My brain doesn't think quick enough for this 😥
@TheR1zzard0f0z
@TheR1zzard0f0z 13 күн бұрын
I disrespect frame traps with i10-15 lows. Easily my biggest weakness are hop kicks in the frame trap situation. Good video.
@cybersteel8
@cybersteel8 13 күн бұрын
The question from your viewer probably comes from the same noob mentality I've got, where I am in neutral and want to frame trap using + on block moves. The idea that something + on hit also works as a frame trap is foreign and eye-opening to see. I think it's because we assume that the opponent is going to block after they get hit, so + on hit doesn't matter, but the fact that you're slower moves are now effectively faster after being + on hit should not be overlooked. So to my fellow noobs, this is really cool. Yeah, your opponent should probably block when they get hit, but you can trap them to make sure they do. If you are already sure, then you have them blocking and taking your mid/low mixup. Remember, they're not blocking both, so just hitting them with a jab is enough to force that generic Tekken 50/50 mid/low mixup. If they press after getting hit instead of blocking, well now you know how much faster your slower moves are to actually launch them (on counter-hit too!) Thanks PhiDX, this is a great video, very educational.
@pickedupapencil
@pickedupapencil 10 күн бұрын
Speedkicks did a breakdown on jab use as well.
@plusJames2
@plusJames2 12 күн бұрын
thank you mr phidx, i will do this
@Zyo_
@Zyo_ 13 күн бұрын
Cant i use a high crush launcher to counter the b+1 jab? Like Claudio’s hop kick or Lili’s D3+4?
@PhiDX
@PhiDX 13 күн бұрын
Yep! Bryan can mid check df2 to catch that, and the mind games layer from there
@FinalFlashRony
@FinalFlashRony 10 күн бұрын
sorry... im unable to understand the power crush(7) and rage art(8) concept pls help me out
@Lostlegrand
@Lostlegrand 12 күн бұрын
I definitely need this for steve fox
@Fastf1ng3rs
@Fastf1ng3rs 7 сағат бұрын
How about frame traps into grabs? Would be worth covering too 😀
@Blind_Death
@Blind_Death 13 күн бұрын
Dick jab to standing 4 is a frame trap for King.
@DeathsIntent96
@DeathsIntent96 13 күн бұрын
Dick jab properties are universal, so you can apply this (and even stronger frametraps, since it's +6) on any character.
@JLo安全
@JLo安全 14 күн бұрын
Perfect sunday video 😊
@yurifudo9209
@yurifudo9209 10 күн бұрын
Great video the problem is if you find an opponent who dodges your jab laterally in this case what can I do? thank you very much
@ThisIsNotSGHNTZ
@ThisIsNotSGHNTZ 10 күн бұрын
You can just start mid checking them then, but a single 1 jab is really hard to duck punish anyway, and since he has many extensions from it, if they press their punish too early they can get hit by the jab extensions, so you should be fine doing it, except against some characters with high crushing attacks, like Claudio.
@NoWBrian
@NoWBrian 14 күн бұрын
yea me always thinking about plus on block... so my leroy is struggling...hmm nice video
@DylanComas
@DylanComas 13 күн бұрын
I don't think this has been covered yet, but how do we find frame traps?
@iceteabreak
@iceteabreak 14 күн бұрын
soo this is what JDCR was talking about with how he use 1 jab on that dragunov video
@AED_001
@AED_001 13 күн бұрын
the T8 power creep is so real that people think jabbing is useless 😭
@abhishekvalsangkar
@abhishekvalsangkar 13 күн бұрын
Bryan doesn't even have to think that deeply. He can just do b1 into D2 and be +9 on hit.
@InnerTriggerer
@InnerTriggerer 14 күн бұрын
what about character that have weak / short range low. even after +4 the opponent can backdash and the low will whiff unless it's -1 or 0 on hit lows. only way to apply good low is to dash in first which become interruptible with quick mid. Yes now I get the option of CH by them try to mashing but some player are just respond to my forward dash. so all I can do is dash and block their quick mid essentially back to neutral.
@PhiDX
@PhiDX 14 күн бұрын
Can backdash, dash sidestep, dash jab, dash power crush
@thmistrapillay1811
@thmistrapillay1811 14 күн бұрын
No word of a lie, ONE piece of advice EVER....: have fun
@rebootcomputa
@rebootcomputa 12 күн бұрын
I demoted 3 times when I was playing as Reina doing my frame trap against people just to end the round didnt think they could Rage through them even if they blocked since in training mode the CPU couldnt rage... this game is so inconsistent..
@xTigerWise
@xTigerWise 13 күн бұрын
do you guys react wether the jab hit or not and do the correct follow up depending on it ? to me it's too fast I just auto pilot
@pizzacrusty2489
@pizzacrusty2489 13 күн бұрын
I knew before I click the video he was going to say “run your frame-traps”
@Iago.Carvalho
@Iago.Carvalho 13 күн бұрын
there is more videos about frame trap? cause jin is always winning me cause of this and now I know why ..
@starskihutch
@starskihutch 14 күн бұрын
i love when phidx gives me his tip
@gamesibeat
@gamesibeat 13 күн бұрын
Bryans best frame traps are on hit. After 1-2 and down 2 hes plus 8.
@aggroFyrb
@aggroFyrb 13 күн бұрын
I have one big problem with this whole concept. The math perfectly makes sense dgmw but my opponent is a human being and that gives them the ability to think abstract and freely in every situation. So in my head even if I see them f.e side stepping at some + frames there is no way to know that this will happen again. My friend always tells me that seeing what they're doing afterwards is very important information but in my head the fact that they are able to switch up their behaviour at will makes me pretty much unable to adapt to their patterns since I don't see them as such.
@cursedcrow1033
@cursedcrow1033 13 күн бұрын
How about we spam the Tekken Team to make Heat smash +0 on Block and heat engagers +0 on hit to nerf the endless 50/50 Situations?
@Reapz0
@Reapz0 14 күн бұрын
So what are you meant to do against frame traps? Is it a guessing game from there or are you meant to develop a read on your opponent?
@crimsonsmoke
@crimsonsmoke 14 күн бұрын
Develop your read and don’t press. So jin db4 into m4 - m4 is a high. If they keep doing this frame trap, you duck and launch the m4. Of course, any Jin will mix you with mids, but that’s why I’m saying you read them or you don’t press.
@flamescorpio5850
@flamescorpio5850 13 күн бұрын
You need to know how to counter the move with the CH property. In the case of Jin's, you can duck it on a read,or backdash in some cases. More importantly if you block it it's -9 so you can return a big low/mid on Jin
@notkennethdt
@notkennethdt 13 күн бұрын
This is exactly what I need
@aaym2224
@aaym2224 12 күн бұрын
as a 2d player who started with T8 tekken players just loooove mashing on plus frames and idk why. frame trapping people makes it extremely easy to rank up it's not even funny. from my view as a 2d player tekken is the one game you dont want to be mashing in. you have sooo much counterplay to most offense in the game, sometimes you even have multiple answers to the same situation, and in many cases one answer can beat like 80 percent of your opponent's options depending on the character. mashing is actually really really bad in this game, where in many 2d games mashing can give you a knockdown that can literally set up your win condition and often times mashing is your only option to get out of certain situations.
@DA-hu3xd
@DA-hu3xd 13 күн бұрын
after bryan's B1 some players like to use d1 10f s.low. Just use df2 to check them
@PhiDX
@PhiDX 13 күн бұрын
Or orbital heel 😎
@8bit_pineapple
@8bit_pineapple 13 күн бұрын
PhiDX - If you play someone and they press into a frame trap - what do they have to do before you start mixing up your offense? I think a bad habit of mine is I'll think something like "There's no way he does ____ after dying the last two rounds in this situation" -- but then they do anyway 😅.
@PhiDX
@PhiDX 13 күн бұрын
Most people will mash into frame traps until their HP is 0 😅 Fear + pressure also makes most people mash more, so frame trap frame trap frame trap!
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