If Marvel Sucks So Bad, Why Are They Dominating DC Comics?

[@LuckySTR8]

If Marvel is better than DC, then why is the capital of the US Washington, DC and not Washington, Marvel?

[@fm1668]

😂

[@Slitheringpeanut]

I see what you did there. AND I LIKE IT!

[@DeadlyAlienInvader]

WHAT R TRYING 2 SAY?!?!? That you’re BITTAR than me?!????

[@JUGO1979]

…a paradox. 🧐

[@souffledevill]

Checkmate atheist

[@PrimalistOptimus]

Marvel and DC are both equal piles of horse crap, but one has sprinkles on it.

[@caprice28]

Hahahaha.

[@rocketraccoon1976]

Or maybe Marvel's colon and anus are bigger than DC's, so Marvel can put out a greater volume of 💩. Marvel is like a fire hose of 💩, while DC is like a garden hose.

[@muhimenrahman6235]

its used to be good when superboy prime was around

[@ComicsOdyssey]

Thankfully, while the main line of DC books doesn't excite me, DC is reprinting lots of great classic stories in the DC Finest line of trades!

[@brokenm8950]

"The importance of the creative people is secondary to the characters." Terry Stewart, president of Marvel commenting on Todd McFarlane leaving. The comic book fans care only about the IPs. That's why Marvel continues to dominate even with subpar work. It's as simple as that.

[@mr.end-game711]

This is so true.

[@colesonlamb]

Maybe it's my bias, but I feel like DC generally has better IP. But I still agree with the premise of the quote

[@harryrao4296]

@@colesonlamb does dc have better ip?they Does DC not sell outside batman or superman or at the most Justice league? marvel more diverse ip than ever hope to have they not only spideerman and xmen but avengers ff hulk even characters like moon knight daredevil deadpool dr strange have had time in the spotlight. That is a lineup of diversity Marvel spent years building. Dc would need at least another 10 + of focusing on less-tier characters to be on the same page as Marvel.

[@harryrao4296]

@@colesonlamb dc have the biggest ip in batman and to a lesser extent superman there is a huge drop after that. Dc's third biggest hero, wonder woman, struggles to sell and is beaten by the likes of Harley Quin, who is a Batman supporting character. Marvel have Spiderman but also x-men and Avengers right behind alongside a lot of incomparable sustainable solo ips who gained recognition in recent years

[@DIOBrando-ij2bp]

It’s actually kind of amazing how ineptly run Marvel Comics is. The Star Wars comic you brought up is a shining example of this. That first issue of Star Wars Marvel put out after Disney bought Lucasfilm and they got the license back from Dark Horse is the single best selling issue of a comic in the last 24 years. No other floppy even kind of comes close to how well that first issue of Star Wars did. And Marvel Comics took that moment and ran it into the ground. You jump ahead to 2019 and look at the number of what was once their best selling comic, that had a first issue that sold over a million copies, and it’s down to five digits; and it’s not even a high five digit number. It’s the worst sales figure drop off Marvel has had, it’s worse than the fall the X-amen titles have had.

[@CoreyAdolfi]

The Ultimate universe is probably carrying them. Those books seem to fly off the shelves at my LCS. Though it seems like DC might see a similar level of success with the Absolute line.

[@harryrao4296]

for a short amount of time but dc never been able to sustain sales

[@tomboepplewatercolorsdesig1258]

One thing that has upset me about DC is they have wiped out their history. I was a big DC reader in the late 80s. I enjoyed the invasion! When Mike Carlin was editor over the Superman titles I liked they were all coordinated together. I like Grummet doing Superboy. These days some titles are better than others, but they got rid of good stories, the characters…I’m talking about supporting casts. I liked Bibbo in Superman, I liked Gnort, I liked Jade, Detective Chimp was cool…you could go back to when these characters first appeared…they just wiped all that stuff out. I don’t even care if they do a new Legion of Superheroes book. It will never be like it was. Sure they can do slick covers and make a book exciting for a bit. But I want go see stories about characters who have been around for years…not a book that’s a hit for the moment and will probably be different in a year.

[@aqdrobert]

DC and Marvel fight to see who is second place behind manga and anime.

[@HermosaFeCatolica]

It’s been beating DC since the 60s. It’s just 1st mover advantage. They moved into comics with innovation in the 1960s and it’s never stopped. DC was your grandparents’ superhero’s and MARVEL was your father’s superheroes. All the factors of popular culture have only EITHER continued OR increased the dominance: animation in the 90s (X-MEN, Spider-Man, etc.), video games (Spider-Man), and FILMS (MCU). It’s likely NOT going to change.

[@KardboardKenny]

and both are getting their azzez handed to them by manga/anime.

[@sixdollarman1362]

@@KardboardKenny You're not wrong. It just doesn't make sense, in that DC's animation dominated until the early 2010's? Give or take a few years. I think the difference is that comics from the Golden/Silver age were written for kids. And I grew up on those through the 80's(Bronze age stuff). Comics grew up with their readers. Since Watchmen/Dark Knight Returns it seems like comics were more adult with their content. Now it seems like they have more adult content and there's no jumping on point that kids should be reading. there seems to be no natural progression. Absolute Batman is not what I consider written for kids. That's just my opinion.

[@PureMaddnessOne]

Batman animated series was as popular as X-men and Spidey though. Either Animated movies DC does have the upperhand.

[@HermosaFeCatolica]

@@sixdollarman1362 kids are smart now. They don’t have to be told: “hey there, little Billy? You’re pretty stupid. You won’t be able to understand that BATMAN: YEAR ONE is Batman’s origin, so we’re going to reboot EVERYTHING to cater to just your generation.” With the internet, you can type in “so and so’s READING ORDER” and be inundated with a set of comics from A to Z of any character. There should ALWAYS be cool Elseworld’s stuff (Frank Miller’s Dark Knight Returns-universe), but DC better stop with these reboots. They keep shaking the baby too hard. It’s going to have brain damage. Also, DC better restart it’s VERTIGO line of comics, to create NEW comics that kids can jump in with ISSUE #1. Their DC superheroes are about to become public domain starting in 2034 😀

[@UnifiedEntity]

I would not give animation to Marvel especially the 90s as Batman the Animated series was and still is wildly popular which went to win an Emmy. Superman the Animated series followed suit and was better animated than both Xmen and Spiderman. Then there was the ever popular Justice League and Teen Titans. Video games, the Arkham games speak for themselves.

[@brianmurphy250]

I think a lot of the comics rely on old school Comic completion collectors. Guys who have collected Batman/ Spiderman so long they feel compelled to keep buying. They probably don’t even read them, just board and store at this point. That and the speculators who get them with the delusion that they will be valuable someday

[@VaughnEsper]

I'm pretty sure it's because people have come to comics because of the movies and TV series. They're more popular then the comics, and a lot of readers buy for the character, not for the creators. Even if there is a fantastic writer on Green Lantern, the average consumer will probably more likely buy a mediocre Iron Man or Hulk book because they're more interested in the character, which they're invested in because of the movies. I have a four year old, and the kids at his daycare seem to be more familiar with even Ghost Spider and Miles Morales than Superman because of the kids TV series. DC just aren't as big in the media outside of comic books.

[@harryrao4296]

Yet brownskarate@ seems dc are bigger worldwide dc dont own the big 2 heroes anymore the biggest comic character is spiderman he outpaces batman and superman in movies video games cartoons after that marvel pretty dominates

[@emirozdemir-wallywest1426]

I still don't understand what dc timeline supposed to be. Wally is a married men with kids but Barry and Iris are still just dating. Iris supposed to be adopted and from the future but now she is a regular West. Batman raised 4+ kids but he is still in his mid 30s. Like they try to keep both the new earth and new 52 continuitys but they didn't fit to each other. It's very confusing to understand this universes rules right now. They should have done a clear cut between new 52 and new earth like there was in golden age DC and silver age DC.

[@ryanwilliams7639]

Nah Barry and iris are married

[@truespartan1000]

​@@ryanwilliams7639 since when?

[@ryanwilliams7639]

@@truespartan1000 end of the Jeremy Adams run. They know they were married in the past timeline and remember it but in flash 796 he proposed to her and she said yes. In flash 800 they had a honey moon for a month in the future. They have two kids in the future as well.

[@Dev003x]

I came back to comics 2 years ago and figured I would buy a bunch Modern DC to catch up. I was completely lost, what timeline is where, who is really Batman, why are there 22 Catwoman's, 11 Superman's and god knows how many Green Lanterns. Oh and are we at 6 Robins now?

[@adrianmagtoto9775]

This is my problem with DC. I am a fairly new reader who only started reading in the 2010s. Marvel was what got me in the comics because of their movies. When DC Rebirth hit it was fantastic, it was a good jumping on point, then it felt hella convoluted for a new reader like me. Like why does Doomsday Clock and Metal felt like it didn't intersect when it felt like it should. There are multiple (destroyed) universes that used to be the main continuity? What? Marvel despite their reboots all felt linear and is just following one timeline/continuity

[@snakebrown3755]

Wes, I'm going to do something I never do, and that's comment BEFORE watching the clip. after reading the title of this video, my initial thought was this: When I was coming up through the comic-collecting ranks in the 80's/90's, DC comics were favored by the old school collectors. All of us young bucks flocked to the x-men, and Mcfarlane-era Spidey, and stuff like that. Marvel had probably been the preferred brand since the 70's. I just think that the old guard is (sadly) dying off, and now that I'm 50, and looking at more yesterdays than tomorrows, we're now seeing Marvel take a back seat to manga and (unfortunately) young adult graphic novels where kids are treated to characters whose adventures include fun stuff like...going to the dentist. Or...learning how to give bl0wj0b$. I think the people buying the Marvel books are just doing so out of sheer inertia; the books aren't good, folks just don't want to have any holes in their collection. But we'll be dead soon enough too, and then NO ONE will be here to buy this crap. This is what happens when you fail to create a new audience, American Comic Book Industry. Hollywood tried to hand you one on a billion dollar platter, and you effed it up so that you could make DEI hires. Nice job.

[@Arassar]

Honestly, I'm surprised that EITHER of them are still in business.

[@fiyfrost]

What I like about DC is that they have a lot of good graphic novels that are short and sweet. That means I can look at them without the burden of reading 100 issues first. They are easy to pick up and easy to love. Marvel does not seem to put resources into it. Also animated movies, even tho the Tomorrowverse is not the best, but at least they try. I am surprised that Marvel has not explored this market as well.

[@gorgeousgeorge5173]

Marvel has the push of Disney's MCU. DC is mainly dependent on word-of-mouth. But, as we've seen, good writing and art heavily outweighs terrible stories and art. Check X-Men and Spider-Man in comics, f'n gross - the top 2 franchises in Marvel. DC is starting to stand out with Absolute. Marvel caters to the easy casual fan that doesn't want their brain challenged.

[@Aloysius10]

Hopefully DC has editors/ writers that know what they are doing and keep consistent quality. Don’t just give your all for first issue.

[@staringinthevoid]

I'm sorry, what? How can you say that Marvel comics have the push of movies but then say DC is off word of mouth? That same benefit works across both companies. DC has the added benefit of its animated films as well. Marvel does next to nothing animation wise. The issue, that is perfectly crystallized in your final senescence. Is that the temperament of the fans is very different.

[@MichaelBoogerd]

@@staringinthevoid I'd argue DC's movie universe is targeting a more adult audience. Whereas Marvel's movies are more accessible to a younger audience

[@TheGuyInTheCheapSeats]

Ah, yes. The old cope of "We're the smarter choice."

[@harryrao4296]

@@staringinthevoid animated small small niche that not many people care about movies and series are biggest making impressions new readers marvel dominates both of those

[@boondockshnoogs8882]

I remember when comics were fun especially for Marvel and DC ,now its like going to the buffet on a week day

[@InfamyOrDeath-__-]

Yea I think Lee coming back to Batman will be a massive boost to sales, even someone like me who only reads manga is very tempted to check out that comic.

[@doommega]

i think that's gonna surprise us don't trust these older guys LOL they like to disappoint us

[@harryrao4296]

a temporary boast just like always never be sustainable and allow dc overtake marvel

[@Eyrrll]

As a former shop owner, you have to keep in mind how widely variable people’s tastes are. In the 90’s, I actually had a few people that were sad when Sleepwalker (which never ever sold well for me) was cancelled.

[@EvandroACruz]

Sadly Sleepwalker never was realised here in my country.

[@Eyrrll]

@ I never actually read anything from the series except maybe a crossover book, so I can’t honestly say if it was good or bad. I just know that it sold really poorly.

[@TevyaSmolka]

My best guess it’s because marvel floods the market with so many books.

[@maxmazzotti6651]

They should cut it down to just a 80s/90s lineup

[@TevyaSmolka]

@@maxmazzotti6651 i agree with that

[@harryrao4296]

@TevyasSmolka not really even if marvel flodded market lesser selling titles then it not beat dc it because marvel wide bench of popular properties/ip/brand powr dc beyond batman is incapable of selling any long term franchise marvrel spider-man xmen ultimates star wars and even solo titles moonknight or hulk that doing solid numbers.

[@harryrao4296]

@@TevyaSmolka dc are simply number 2 their best overtaking few months happened rebirth and new 52 they 3 month lead and then goes back Marvel beating them. Dc never have real chance ever being number 1 for an extended amount of time that should obvious to everyone by now.

[@TevyaSmolka]

@@harryrao4296 fair enough

[@albundy2609]

Jeremy Adams should be hired to write Amazing Spider-Man and Captain America.

[@CultureWorrier100]

They are called "Marvel Zombies" for a reason

[@jemagu6]

I hate this renumbering shit. This is my top complaint about Marvel these days (Well, outside of the shit writing and lazy art). For example, I was really enjoying Jed McKay's Moon Knight, but then they lost me with the whole death/return/phases/fist bullshit. I didn't know what series to follow or even if I should, so I stopped caring. They should have just let the whole death and return of Moon Knight storyline play out through the main title, it would've made more sense. Plus, I'm sure I wasn't the only reader they lost with that stupid renumbering stunt just to boost sales. Make #1's Special Again!

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

Honestly, these books aren't good enough to even pirate.

[@akaBoG]

Future State was a failed reboot that they pulled the cord on ahead of time and then tried to salvage the three or so months of work into a "status shift" briefly. Infinite Frontier was a reboot - again - failed and unsupported.

[@mikehunt1924]

Marvel and DC have both been pretty terrible for awhile now. I mostly keep buying some books to keep my runs going but my patience in waiting for things to get good again is wearing thin.

[@milestrombley1466]

The Marvel movies are what keeping them on their legs.

[@urzathehappy72]

i hate movies

[@RamManNo1]

@@urzathehappy72all these movies are cringe af. These types of characters only really come across the way they were meant to in comics(occasionally cartoons).

[@urzathehappy72]

@RamManNo1 i fully agree for the modern movies. They all suck

[@sunnywaffles]

I wish dc wouldnt change things for relevence. Develop what we have. Give a reason to buy, say something! Through story telling

[@KainGerc]

Marvel in general is more digestible. DC keep doing big events that build and build upon each other, reboot the characters and be overly meta about the story and comic universe in general to the point where even if you read comics it's difficult to follow and care about what is happening in the books. Marvel, while also often resetting their characters to status queue and doing company wide events, keep their stories and characters relatively simple and grounded (despite the occasional mystic and cosmic stuff)

[@noelogbeide7135]

Marvel grounded? Hell no

[@EvandroACruz]

DC ruined your own universe forever with the N52 and until in nowadays the company never recovered of the damage. Your continuity are a mess right now and even the writers don't know what's still canon or not. The fans don't trust in DC anymore. In other hand in Marvel even being a huge shit hole in these days there are readers that still believe that the things will be change one day. And Marvel have more books in the market and hold the rights of Star Wars and Aliens/Predators franchises,this help in your sales too. What I don't understand is why another small publishers don't take Marvel monopoly yet. Image has Enrergon and Ghost Machine universes right now and yet it's outsold by Marvel.

[@Hot_SpicyGrill]

Marvel has mid marketing, while dc feels panicked when it comes to there marketing

[@jasonhbush]

Face it most of the people writing comics are just bad at it. There’s so little creativity or original ideas. Given the cost it’s just not worth it.

[@sunnywaffles]

Big facts. 5 bucks abook how am i suppose to follow multiple runs of anything. I have to pick 1 hero at best. And why dont we have more bundle deals?

[@MS-lk2sk]

Every week Marvel has twice as many books. Any wee you can count on 6 Batman books, 1 big character and maybe 1 other, that's it

[@Darthvegeta8000]

I loved New 52. It got me back into comics back when i was at university. I loved N52 Suicide Squad, Court of Owls etc. Regretfully it eventually went off the cliff. On the other hand... everything always ends up going off the cliff. I would love to have N52 or Rebirth quality again... Instead of whatever the fuck 'all this' is nowadays.

[@ampersand085]

It would be timely to have a top 10 current writers videos for readers to follow their titles

[@rocketraccoon1976]

Because Marvel's colon is bigger than DC's. They can hose out the ---- at a greater volume.

[@mark-s]

Marvel is putting out lots of manure now they are unreadable people are brainwashed with the past movies

[@harryrao4296]

yet @mark-s despite that MARVEL is number 1 in virtually every metric marvel is the number 1 box office, with second weakest movie antman 3 doing better than the last 11 dc films they greater merchandising with spiderman and avengers being bigger all dc merch higher comic sales around three times as many members on social media etc They even overtaking dc in video games . What does dc animation thats it

[@mark-s]

@harryrao4296 yes but nothing remains the same message me next summer btw dc wins hands down with comics 🙌

[@harryrao4296]

@@mark-s Nothing remains the same yet dc keep losing sales for years and years what do say to that? your an idiot one movie is help dc be back on top

[@harryrao4296]

@@mark-s Dc wins even they less market share and unit share the numbers dont agree with you

[@harryrao4296]

@@mark-s Nothing remains the same except dc failure and inability to gain huge audiences in comics or movies they irrevocably stuck as number 2 one movie will not change that especially since the second dc film is supergirl which will bomb for sure.

[@john-zi9su]

Marvel is butchering my favorites like Spider-Man, Venom, and X-Men. Everything sucks all across the board at Marvel. I picked up all DC books last week cause they are looking better right now.

[@ericcake5075]

Not to even mention Namor. I’m a huge Sub-Mariner fan but have all ready cut the new run from my pull list

[@YTLawnGnome]

It is a sad thing to say but, yes outside of PKJ's Hulk and the Ultimate books there is really nothing worth reading on the Marvel side.

[@urzathehappy72]

try reading Chasm, i thoroughly enjoy it

[@andrepaul3483]

Wolverine Revenge is fun too

[@harryrao4296]

@YtLawnGnome maybe to you but not according sale. Marvel still buying books it shows the endurability of the marvel brand they have something dc that does not have which a diverse profile of well-liked and marketable characters that extend far beyond spiderman and xmen while dc really no long-term sustainable franchise outside of batman.

[@YTLawnGnome]

@@andrepaul3483 i am reading it. It's fun but, ok at best.

[@YTLawnGnome]

@@harryrao4296 if you seriously believe what you just said about DC then your statement has no validity. A diverse cast of characters means nothing if your stories aren't good. You are aware that Action Comica a Superman book by the way is almost up to 1,100 issues. Also, there are many DC books that have long lasting power. Also, Teen Titans, Justice League, Green Lantern, The Flash and JSA have quite a diverse cast of characters as well. But, you cannot tell me that Jed Mackay or Gail Simone's X runs even hold a candle to. Geoff John's JSA run or a Grant Morrison JLA run.

[@fm1668]

This is just me, but outside of Batman and his supporting characters/mythology I don’t really care about DC like that.

[@aaronrankin1092]

I hate how when they give you a new jumping on point and you go and check it out as a new reader and it’s giving you tons of call backs to earlier runs…I personally don’t see that as a jumping on point, to me it just seems like I’m getting in right after the climax of an arc. I still don’t have any idea what happened during the last arc of Wonder Woman and had no clue what the last issue was about even though it was a jumping on point.

[@boondockshnoogs8882]

People are realizing that Marvel and DC are just other comic companies and other companies make comics

[@regishel]

I used to get all Superman Comics, but I just don't trust it enough to put it on my Pulllist, so I by it from the self and if it's not on the self, I look for back issues. I definitely identify myself as a DC fan over any other company, but I don't pull alot of comics anymore, I don't like to feel cheated into buying something that might be trash like Bendis🤦‍♀️

[@adrianmagtoto9775]

Hi, i think you should also release these on Spotify as podcasts. I think the length of your videos are perfect

[@Wes_From_TC]

All my audios are on Spotify for Patreon backers on the Sparrow's tier and above.

[@rickyb2157]

Done with main continuity, for both marvel and dc. Just give me mini’s, elseworlds, etc. Good there are Ultimate, Absolute, Energon and Ghostmachine. And looking at the latest icv2 sales most agree

[@vicdamon3551]

I can care less about reboot or not. All I care about is good stories and starts and ends so if I don’t like something I can give another arc and create team a chance

[@thatcomicdad1687]

Marvel has messed up Venom by making so many variants. Carnage was interesting at first but Knull is straight up garbage.

[@wraithx7]

Marvel is dominating DC because of completist and habit buying. Also, the current Ultimate Spider-Man series is boring as hell.

[@Richard__Prins]

I see everyone bitching about comics, comics are fun remember, read Ryan North’s Fantastic Four. I myself am an X-Men fan, but I do read outside of it, and I have to say it’s marvelous, fantastic even. So stop bitching and look for the good ones and have fun, start with Fantastic Four and remember the joy of our hobby

[@CountShockula]

Because DC has sucked longer...don't get me wrong...both currently suck.

[@ryanwilliams7639]

I disagree, hulk has went downhill over the past 10 or so issues. The only thing marvel really has going for it is the ultimate universe. The rest are just okay. But marvel has more titles and marvel is more popular than dc so they will outsell dc.

[@EvandroACruz]

The best modern Marvel books are just average in the best.

[@ryanwilliams7639]

@ exactly

[@SusRecordsCEO]

@@EvandroACruz that's what we kind of said - it's sad that the best books aren't even that good!

[@Neighborhood_spdrman]

Realistically DC has two potential constant movers. Batman and Superman. Marvel has more characters that people care about. Even if they’re bad.

[@InfamyOrDeath-__-]

I think that’s a main factor, DC might have the 2 biggest superheroes with Batman & Superman, but Marvel has a lot more known characters. They have Spider-Man, Iron Man, Cap, the X-Men , Hulk, Thor, Black Panther, and a few others people will know, most people couldn’t name a 3rd DC character.

[@Neighborhood_spdrman]

@ I mean most people I’m sure could name flash green lantern aquaman and Wonder Woman. Problem is they aren’t mainstream popular.

[@EvandroACruz]

@@InfamyOrDeath-__- DC pantheon always was more big than Marvel. The problem is the constant reboots and continuity issues killed the interest of many modern readers in invest in DC books.

[@SusRecordsCEO]

Superman doesn't sell well

[@Neighborhood_spdrman]

@@SusRecordsCEO I mean right now not much does lol. But in a good market dc only has the two.

[@ZiKoN22]

As of right now, I still think DC is better. I'm more of a Marvel fan throughout my life, but lately, Marvel is shit. I'm gonna try 8 deaths ASM, but it's on a super short leash. I haven't read any of the Wells ASM run. I'm jumping on at #61. Reading Ultimate Spider-man which is boring. And then will read Ultimate Wolverine. that's it from Marvel!

[@Maddharl]

It’s the fans fault, no other reason and their attachment to characters. Personally I read what I like, if it gets bad I won’t pay for more. I can’t afford to pay for shit at these prices. I don’t understand how the love for some writers who did so well at DC and Marvel, doesn’t transfer to their writing in other companies. Mark Millars Nemesis especially blows everything else away from DC and Marvel, as well as Geoff Johns books.

[@steelbat54]

I think a good analogy is comparing which political side of the fence you’re on. For the most part you most likely pick your side young and regardless of who actually is better you stay with that side. Of course that’s not 100% but for the most part it is. Personally I think, no, I know DC puts out a much better product, quality wise and production wise but a die hard Marvel person will never acknowledge it..

[@PureMaddnessOne]

Marvel does a floating timeline (roughly 4 years for us is roughly 1 in universe), DC does reboots. Dark Nights: Death Metal was said 2 be a reboot, but than it wasn't, heck they had ppl's memories from previous versions (including Golden Age) and didn't do anything with it. Dark Crisis was stated 2 be soft reboot, but in the end wasn't really. But Doomsday Clock did tease that the heroes would meet their pre-crisis counterparts and that there still is a Marvel vs DC crossover is coming.

[@SusRecordsCEO]

they are not dealing with Doomsday Clock going forward - it was too delayed is why Metal happened

[@PureMaddnessOne]

@@SusRecordsCEO Weird, as Dark Knights: Death Metal was kinde teased at the end of Doomsday Clock (although was the Old Gods in Doomsday Clock, but the Hands in Dark Knights: Death Metal, what is the only diff). Either Future State (originally 5G) being averted has happened. Cleopatra Pak becoming Nostalgia when she turns 16, which is happened in Flashpoint Beyond issue 6. Helena Wayne existing again in main universe, what was shown in Stargirl Spring Break Special issue 1 (although she now have 2 disappear again with Superman and Damian looking for her, what should happen in 2026). So some things did already come 2 pass. So i do hope the other 2 big things will happen and it will be a hard reboot for both Marvel and DC after it, where the disease is kicked out both companies. But mby they r kinde ignoring Doomsday Clock and the things that did happen where just happenstance.

[@seannyhan2254]

Moon Knight is on the same relaunch skid that many other Marvel books have taken. We are on the 3 series in 4 years with the same writer. The first ran 30 issues + a few specials. The second ran 9 issues, with a tie in to an event. The current series has 2 issues. Given the fate of other series that have followed this trajectory, Im not optimistic. I enjoy this take on Moon Knight, so Im not complaining, but the pattern does not inspire confidence. Realiatically, there didnt need to be a relaunch at all. Could have just continued the first series

[@badmrbox]

Yeah, they should've kept the numbering and just written the storyarc name on the cover. I mean, the 9 issues run were always only going to be that long so it's kinda silly to do a relaunch in the first place. Now the same creative team have three short runs on the same character instead of one uninterrupted run and I have no idea what the benefit is.

[@seannyhan2254]

@badmrbox Sales pop from the #1 issues, I suppose. All it's done is given me 2 opportunities to drop the title without feeling like I'll miss something. I enjoy it enough that I keep coming back, but it's a decision that gets harder to justify with each new relaunch.

[@HermosaFeCatolica]

FLASHPOINT should have created INJUSTICE, a 3 year arc where Barry Allen altered his universe to give us DC’s CIVIL WAR-like comic: Team Batman vs. Team Superman. Killing and turning over the system (superman) OR not killing and working with the system (batman). This 3-year arc should have NOT been a REBOOT, but an extremely DARK ad GRITTY story with the DC universe. This would allowed DC to return to pre-FLASHPOINT continuity when Barry Allen returns to the universe. This time, Reverse Flash should have KILLED his mom, and Barry Allen should have fixed that to fix the timeline. His mother LIVING should have been the norm, not her dying. Let him have a normal life 😀

[@lukegarcia7776]

Jeremy Adams is doing great with Civil Corps but holy crap does it feel like it was planned as a biweekly/weekly; it's especially disappointing since they wrapped up War Journal but then they just throw Philip Kennedy Johnson out after the 6 dollar civil corps special.

[@bradfrederick1135]

The comic market is so unpredictable these days. It’s odd that marvel keeps casting their line in the same stream but consumers are at times impossible to predict. I thought the Ghost Machine books would have been hovering around 80-90K in sales and they are closer to 55K. I would assume that based on how poor ASM has been that it would be struggling and it consistently hits 145-150K in sales. G.I. Joe #1 is indexing at about half the amount that I would have expected. It’s just so hard to figure the consumer habits sometimes.

[@captainscomicsandcomments8079]

I do agree that Green Lantern is the best superhero comic coming out right now. I really wanted Captain America to be good, but it's just meh. This latest issue was good, but that art is not for me. Conan, in my opinion, is the best ongoing being published right now. Most everything at the big two seems stale and done to death. I really liked the Penguin 1 shot last week, though.

[@fortherestofmylife66]

I almost exclusively buy DC books, I really dislike Marvel except for Venom... I like Venom as a character even if the current runs stink

[@harryrao4296]

@forthestormylife66 to bad you dc fans are minority and will be able overtake marvel sales enjoy your small wins because that all you ever get.

[@ShaneInScottsdale]

How bout those Chiefs?!?! 9-0

[@Wes_From_TC]

Pretty lucky today!

[@tituspaul2765]

You cant keep a positive outlook surrounded by negativity. Your crew has been going through a slog of negative these past few years like a Swamp of Sorrow and all of the horses of Lord of the Rings drowned along with Artax a long time ago.

[@Nadafingah]

The other possibility that no one is considering: the current crop of comic book reading audience doesn’t care about quality. If they were, Image would pantsing both companies by a considerable margin. Marvel outsells because it has more IP, more movies, more tv shows. The casual buyer buys what they’re exposed to initially and Marvel is everywhere. Quality doesn’t enter into it.

[@lacolem1]

DC lost the plot years ago. I refuse to trust them, no matter how ‘good’ their books might be. They act as if they don’t like their own characters and what made them interesting. All In and Absolute have people writing them that turn me off, and I am inherently opposed to the ‘edgy reimagining’ shtick that’s being pushed

[@virtualrealityfitness283]

Marvel has more likable characters nuff said!

[@EvandroACruz]

They had until the 2000's make all them in unlikeable anti-heroes. Just look for the X-Men now.

[@BradPlays81]

I think the biggest issue is DC has no identity anymore. They have rebooted so many times the universe doesn’t feel like the DCU anymore. Marvel may suck but it still feels like Marvel.

[@ghostknight1865]

Venom has been at the minimum decent, if not good most of the time. After Cates left people sort of tuned Venom out, but it's been a cool saga.

[@anj2099]

I was a marvel guy always loved DC too. But now only buy one comic...... Conan from titan comics. Marvel is rotting a corpse at least DC is trying to revive its body.

[@SusRecordsCEO]

you should check out the Ghost Machine stuff if you haven't already

[@anj2099]

@@SusRecordsCEO Thanks bro for the recommendation but I'm saving helluva of money trying to make ends meet. Appreciate your reply.

[@valiantparagonvideos2383]

Characters and continuity. There's a reason why despite all of editorial bitching about it all the time they don't officially discard continuity. Sure they'll write as though it doesn't exist in titles like Spider-Man and Iron Man but officially its' the next chapter because it keeps people hooked. I also think the characters are more dynamic visually at Marvel which helps get people in the door. Like if you look at Marvel's top heroes they all look very different from each other. One is a full body suit, one is a mecha, one has a cape and helmet, one's a giant monster, etc. But DC's top people are Wonder Woman and dude in a bodysuit. I'm definitely more of a Marvel fan in concept, but that's why right now I'm hoping All In and Absolute can drag DC to if not on top to close to it and winning more of the top ten. Partially just because they are putting out better books and so deserve to sell better, but mostly because I root for anything that makes the corporate overlords over at Disney waking up and cleaning house at Marvel more likely.

[@mitchellalexander9162]

It's easy to paint the Narrative of 'The Only Thing Holding up Marvel is a Handful of Ultimate Universe 2: *OH GOD!! PLEASE COME BACK!!! WERE SORRY!!!* Issues and runs and Absolute Batman while good isn't cutting it as much' It comes down to Ultimate Spider Man The Second V.S. Absolute Batman. A Clash of 'Giving the Fans what they Want Spider Man to be in An Alternate Universe' and 'A More Radical Reinvention of Batman's Entire Foundational Origin and a New Direction for him in another Universe'

[@RyenFreaky]

Im with Jim, the new52 brought me back to comix, so it will always have a place in my heart.

[@EvandroACruz]

N52 killed Dc for me. I never pick up anything after that period.

[@RyenFreaky]

@EvandroACruz I was done with DC and Marvel 2005/2006ish. Nu52 brought me back to DC at least. Then when ReBirth ended, I haven't bought a new comic since. However, every year for Cyber Week, I do buy 90s collections from DC and Image. (That's in 2 weeks!)

[@EvandroACruz]

@@RyenFreaky N52 turned DC in MArvel with dark and edge bullshit. DC supposed to be a moral and hopefull place. This is the main reason for your failure.

[@SusRecordsCEO]

it got me in and i still think there were some fun books - I understand it upset a lot of people and some of the main books weren't great - but i don't think there was ever a time when a new reader would start their first pull list with Aquaman, Demon Knights, Frankenstein Agents of Shade and All-Star Western!

[@tonyvi9994]

Ultimate Spiderman, Ultimates, Ultimate Black Panther, Immortal Thor that about all Marvel has now. Just gonna go back and read older runs in the meantime

[@staringinthevoid]

DC has the same problem it always had. The entire universe revolves around one character. DC is Batman, in most readers and general audiences eyes. He is the face AND the brand, full stop. While Marvel is Marvel. You may not like it, but they have always done a good job of uplifting and spotlighting an array of characters and teams. Marvel will invest in and push secondary & tertiary characters and make them popular. While DC HEAVILY focuses their talent and resources into their biggest three, but really only one character. Spider-man is the face of Marvel sure, but he is only a part of, not the brand. You can say that, X-Men is bad, Spider-man is bad, Fantastic Four is mid, Avengers is mid, Miles Morales is good, etc. The thing is, that's a bunch of different characters and teams that while not A tier in your opinion. It would seem having a bunch of "mid" or "bad" characters is more appealing than one "good" one. That is constantly being reset again and again. If Marvel still feels fresh and new relative to DC after 60 years, it's because Marvel is willing to take risks and expand. While DC takes less chances and keeps collapsing inward.

[@harryrao4296]

@staringthevoid This applies to comics and cartoons as well. Marvel has been getting a wider range of characters out in those mediums . The average person struggle name dc characters beyond the big 7 trinity flash gl aquaman and arrow while on the marvel side they already had spider-man , xmen, ff ,hulk, blade before the mcu now you can ironman, cap, thor, gotg, antman, dr strange, captain marvel, shang chi, black panther, deadpool wanda etc to the mix . The averages person knowledge marvel far deeper than anything dc

[@treymykel]

I mean we already know why cuz like they said the runs are long running they never had a reboot they might stop and start but there is no big reboot that'll reset the continuity of the characters or whatever it's just whatever from that point from when they were introduced all the way till now all of their history is intact now sometimes it might be retconned out or whatever or something like that but other than that Marvel doesn't really have to deal with the nonsense that DC do like okay I got crisis on earth because at the time DC was just doing whatever so when Christ is going to earth happened it was a built up it wasn't just always just came out of nowhere The new 52 and everything after just came out of nowhere just because they wanted more readers or they wanted the momentum without understanding like hey you already have the history that you have right now I think about it almost all of DC's most iconic storylines are part of their post crisis universe they got rid of their post crisis universe with the new 52 and how many new 52 iconic runs can we really talk about like events that are really memorable not many compared to post crisis where you can list a whole bunch of them and even during the time of post crisis you have elseworld titles as well it's kind of like DC panics all the time because they feel like oh they're readership is not as high as marble Well yeah because you know a lot of people who used to read DC has probably you know no offense died out or retired You know what I mean and the ones that you do have you insulted them with the new 52 and instead of going back to what work you keep double and triple down on more reboots and then when we did give you a chance with rebirth oh it wasn't fast enough so let's do more crap that y'all don't like and then you decided hey let's change half the characters race and gender and sexuality I mean honestly it feels like a slap in the face to DC fans who keep going through constant changes at least with Marvel before Marvel did all new all different at least it was at least about 50 years of straight continuity going on for the characters without it being drastically changed until the 2010s. And then WB got all of the DC characters but barely want to do any shows movies with anybody outside of Batman and maybe Superman sometimes You know what I'm saying The arrowverse was okay but then the arrowverse came out during the 2010s and let all that diversity inclusion stuff happen where all of the history that we did know from post crisis was getting mixed in with the new 52 and they're making changes that nobody asked for to the characters and it became like a soap opera of LGBT black folks and diverse people instead of action heroes so it's just like I can see why Marvel holds his spot because Marvel is a little bit more loyal to their fans then DC is and Warner Brothers is I mean look at what we're doing right now we're rebooting a cinematic Universe that nobody asks them to do it's the same thing for hey we doing the new 52 nobody asks you to do that A lot of fans said don't do it and DC said we're going to do it anyway and then get confused like I wonder why nobody really showed up and supported so it's one of those confusing things is just like well DC just keep standing his own way and self-sabotaging itself to the point where why would you be loyal to a company that every couple of years it'll change the status quo to the point where ain't nothing stable for 30 years we had a stable continuity with post crisis and then all of a sudden because they wanted to get new readers they said don't screw all of that and do the new 52 It is a slap in the face compared to Marvel you know

[@EvandroACruz]

DC Pre-Crisis was more iconic than Post-Crisis Era.

[@ComicsOdyssey]

Put some paragraph breaks on these long comments to make them easier to read.

[@Eyrrll]

Even though I date back to the Pre-Crisis Era, I actually liked the New 52 a lot. I was not thrilled with them abandoning Wally, but overall I really liked N52… there was some great stuff in there.

[@EvandroACruz]

N52 killed my love for DC forever. Worst Era ever.

[@Eyrrll]

@ N52 was pretty polarizing, so I understand. I was old enough to remember the original Crisis though and a lot of people hated it too (for how it changed the universe). Some people back during the original Crisis were enraged at the thought of some punk kid (Wally West) becoming the new Flash after Barry Allen died. Ironically, a lot of people were enraged twenty years later when Barry Allen returned and Wally disappeared. So I went into N52 with an attitude like “I didn’t mind the first time I saw the world change, so I will give it a try”. I ended up liking a lot of it. Just curious, what was it that killed it for you?

[@EvandroACruz]

@@Eyrrll I cannot stand all the dark and Edge stuff in these classic characters.Superman,Shazam and Wonder Woman were awful in that Era.

[@Eyrrll]

@@EvandroACruz Yeah, a lot of people hated the 90’s era of comics for the same reason (dark, edgy, violent). I did like the Azzarello N52 Wonder Woman series but I didn’t care one way or another for Superman or Shazam. I loved Swamp Thing, Animal Man, Frankenstein, all of the Green Lantern books and Flash. I liked several of the short-lived series like Phantom Stranger and I Vampire.

[@EvandroACruz]

@@Eyrrll N52 Superman was the worst Era for the Man Of Steel.With Bendis run in second place.

[@raistlinmajere3194]

Easy answer: Because more people care about Marvel characters than DC characters. If Marvel stop their comics, it doesn't mean I will buy DC comics. Its like supporting your local sports team, through thick and thin. I will always buy Amazing and Uncanny/Adjectiveless and those are the only titles in comics that i truly care about.

[@VunderGuy]

People also loved MCU slop despite even the best MCU stuff shitting all over the comics. XD

[@boondockshnoogs8882]

@@VunderGuy I have almost solely started looking at other smaller companies that are into Comics and good stories because Marvel and DC have cried wolf for so long that it has given room smaller Companies to take up the slack for what comic buyers are looking for

[@EvandroACruz]

Marvel don't care about Spider-Man or Iron Man for years. The main reason of why your books sucks for more than a entire decade.

[@urzathehappy72]

i read Absolute Superman last night and the writng was so bad it was depressing and made me not want to read anymore comics that night. Read Mystique 1 and Phoenix 1 today and was very impressed. For DC that I enjoy: City of Madness, Off World Batman, Green Lantern Dark. I have read Absolute Power, All In Special, and tons of All In comics and I still dont understand wtf All In is. Absolute Power was awesome but these random comics labeled All In are just random comics. Nothing to do with anytthing. Best current comic series is Chasm.

[@gorgeousgeorge5173]

Look at the upcoming MCU Falcon/Cap America. No serious fan understands it. Imagine being so woke that you need to wreck an icon like Cap and combine it with with his side-kick, Falcon? Marvel is a disaster, and getting worse. The box office numbers don't lie.

[@PrivateCitizen84]

Movie and show normies don't really know the histories of these characters (speaking from experience or lack of it). A few at best will have only a wiki understanding of these characters. Oh Falcon was a Cap in the comics? The cinematic live action movies are not made for comic book fans. Look how long it took to get Wolverine in just a yellow suit?

[@gorgeousgeorge5173]

@@PrivateCitizen84 I can't disagree, Marvel caters to the lowest common denominator. DC has just not transitioned from their excellent animation to live Hollywood. But there's more hope on the latter than the former.

[@PrivateCitizen84]

@@gorgeousgeorge5173 I didn't mention DC animation for a reason. My point was about live action. Normies wouldn't go to the cinema for a DC animated movie, but a Lego Batman yes. I do have several DC animated movies. Mostly Batman ones.

[@gorgeousgeorge5173]

@@PrivateCitizen84 Yes, I know, but the animation DCU deserves a nod overall. JL and JL Unlimited were some benchmarks in what is possible in screen adaptation, and the depth. If DC can recreate that live action, we're all gonna rejoice. idk what's going on with Marvel but I'm thinking its dead until Feige leaves or is fired. They are simply so far gone...

[@PrivateCitizen84]

@@gorgeousgeorge5173 Being more niche is maybe what preserves the DC animated from tampering? The live action are supposed to be tent pole movies. That means more potential studio interference. Meddling producers and big name directors. All competing for a different singular vision from the source material. Hollywood is the place of many egos.

[@Anchor1981]

I love the big two, but after DC rebooted, I quit. I felt like I had so much invested in the DC universe at that time and I’ve never really went back. I did read some during future State, but I was pretty disappointed by that.

[@ghostknight1865]

I was puzzled about this for years, for DC to outsell Marvel it takes an absolutely "hall of fame" run, while for Marvel to outsell DC they just have to pump out printed paper. Ultimately it comes down to the characters' perspectives, and Marvel's are more relatable. DC's main characters are Gods to look up to, while Marvel's are usually people with more down to earth problems. This is why Batman and Nightwing keep selling despite DC trashing their business, they are human characters with flaws and relatability.

[@harryrao4296]

its because marvel has a wider bench of more popular heroes nobody cares about dc heroes outside big 4 trinity and flash while marvel not only has spider-man and xmen but now avengers ff and side characters like daredevil and moon knight and dr strange who carry units add star wars and ultimates line and its not even close @ghostknight865

[@richardhunter132]

personally, I mainly only read DC - and always have - but I guess people just like the comics Marvel are putting out

[@tk421trooper1]

I'm enjoying Moonknight. Yes the #1 on 3 books is annoying but it's like Jason Aaron's run on thor to me. I'm liking Ultimates and avengers assembled. Captain America right now absolutely sticks

[@jackiechan2524]

Immortal hulk, thor, moon knight, ultimates, ultimate spiderman just off the top of my mind. Dc has ....... been printing things. Stuff. Still waiting for issue 2 of that superman lex luthor dying book. Been a year i think

[@ellesse3862]

The day Marvel gets into hard rebooting its universe, that'll be the day that tests fans. DC poisoned the well with its rebooting, softboot tweeks weren't alienating. Comic quality is down, movies are hit and miss, Marvel does have saturation in pop culture, releasing more product into stores and cinema, is that helping with market dominance?

[@SparrowAaron]

Always like when Jim is on.

[@uxm4life94]

These books are getting shipped to stores- not selling.

[@andrewheard3099]

I just find Marvel characters more endearing and interesting. But then again I grew up with Marvel stuff so maybe I'm biased. I'll get a #1 that I think looks good and will buy the Tpbs if it really pulls me in.

[@ironmaster8925]

I simply am more captivated by Marvel heroes than DC, the only real DC stuff i like is the Green Lantern mythos side of it.

[@johntom8581]

i know everyone keeps telling me to read gl i tried i don't like hal jordan

[@Georgelawlor-q6c]

I think justice league unlimited and hush 2 could save dc from a financial perspective in comics

[@reallyyourkidding]

Both Marvel and DC suck

[@thegrizzmd7193]

I buy probably too many Marvel comics given the mediocre quality, but it is hard more me to resist when they have all my favorite characters.

[@nuke7138]

All DC does is turn characters ghey or reveal an illegitimate sibling for their characters.

[@thenightstocker4268]

Marvel gets more movie watchers to buy comics… DC always promotes the same 3 Batman trades for the last 40 years, but including which comics were the inspiration for each project is a huge part of the conversation around Marvel movies and it gets people to buy stuff… if you want to peacock your MCU knowledge, knowing the source material is part of that… that’s not the case with DC, but Gunn is using the Marvel tactic now and it gave DC books a little bump last year My loyalties are equal between both companies, but Marvel has been wayyyy harder to jump in than DC over the last 8 years, yet they’re doing better because they aren’t only going for comic fans Also, it should be said that marvel seems like they put more effort in haha DC always seems like they’re waiting to be sold or something…. They cut corners on the paper quality, and they don’t care at all about the app haha yet they love charging extra for everything

[@batdadwholaughs]

I'm pretty much giving up on ordering any new books at this point from the big 2. I will maintain a pull for a title or two just to support my LCS. I am not sure I agree that DC is doing better....they are about equality as miserable. Admittedly I am not reading any GL but I've tried with Batman, WW, Detective, Swamp thing...none of it really sets me off.

[@emailjoelcrabtree]

New52 worked. Absolute DC is just a half-baked reboot based on bad ideas.

[@EvandroACruz]

N52 never worked ruined DCU forever. The DC rebirth was a huge apologize letter for your old fans.

[@cicolasnage5684]

Not really, 52 titles was a lousy unsustainable business model with maybe only a handful of books that lasted. Both Superman and action comics were not very well received and a wide majority of the books were axed after few months or a year not to mention the constant writer and artist changes. New 52 assed out within a year. Rebirth was basically DC apologizing for new 52. How is absolute half baked? It’s been in the making for at least 4 years on top of being separated from the main DC universe on top of the books rolling out slowly a opposed to new 52 dumping a shit ton of books every month.

[@EvandroACruz]

@@cicolasnage5684 N52 Superman was the most terrible era in the Man of Steel. Wth Bendis Era in second place.

[@sunnywaffles]

You can always inflate your numbers. And marvel have captured or bought that mass popular appeal through the movie. It's fake imo. Dc has better books better stories. But this current dc era is confusing if your looking for a main title. It's perfect if your looking to get into any particular hero. Individual stories are crushing. But the marvel main title sorcerer surpreme doom. Is very interesting. But your an idiot to buy ASM or wolverine revenge? But Suleman, flash, and batman are great. Absolute, birds of prey, gl, whatever

[@harryrao4296]

@sunnywaffles marvel inflating numbers for 20 years? they beating dc since the 1990s dc has never been able to pass substantial amount of time you people need accept dc always be 2 both in comics and in terms of mainstream culture

[@sunnywaffles]

@harryrao4296 wrong! How to lie with statistics. Is my forst point. And because they put money else where and crushes with movies! Thats what made them mainstrean. Doesnt mean they have good comics. They just made good movies. Beat for beat. Dc quality of books are better. You have a better chance picing up a random dc comic book, and getting a better story, philosophy to digest, and more beleivable character. Marvel has a better marketing team.

[@sunnywaffles]

And yes inflating for 20 yrs. Comics been in aliteral bubble for a while and politician lie longer with statistics over real issues. Not more shity isues of the xmen

[@harryrao4296]

@@sunnywaffles Yet dc is always stuck at number 2 even the movies marvel outselling since the 1990s dc does not care about its universe or audience beyond batman

[@harryrao4296]

@@sunnywaffles Dc inflates their numbers they push batman and nothing its marvel more varied of larger amount of their heros this is true

[@falguard]

If you do just TWO BATMAN BOOKS (Detective Comics, Batman) and TWO SUPERMAN BOOKS (Action Comics, Superman), it's tenable. Having 70,000,000 monthly Batman-related books, however, is not. Both of these companeis still have an analog, shelf space dominance mindset, where they just crap out as many books as possible to force competition off the shelf and keep the printers running...but NOBODY GIVES A CRAP ANYMORE! They BOTH need management with a set of balls and a mindset to actually fix things. Cut down the excess, both in personnel and in your product line; focus on what makes your product GREAT; hire or MAKE truly GREAT creatives, and if they go on to bigger and better things, more power to them! You can have them back in 10 years for an anniversary book or something! Furthermore, let the product BREATHE. If it doesn't sell, can it, sure. But if it succeeds, keep going. Stop with the resets. Just...do what works, stop doing what doesn't. Actually THINK CRITICALLY! This is why I don't read comics anymore, except for the occasional omnibus or trade paperback. There's nobody in the business who treats it as anything but a corporate hobby and upper middle class daycare center. The fire's gone out of the industry, and the audience is gone.