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@ArtOfRaving Жыл бұрын
Our English teacher always said "you can't eat your grades". When it was end of year and we were curious what our grades were he would ask us "What do you think you earned?"....then he'd let us haggle lmao. Very cool teacher, kept the whole class engaged and was one of the first in my experience to lead a critique on grades and the temporary period known as High school.
@sthubbins4038 Жыл бұрын
Neil is right, grades are so inflated that they’re meaningless now.
@robynology101 Жыл бұрын
As a teacher, I couldn’t agree more.
@blindbeatzz Жыл бұрын
@@robynology101 You need some type of measure
@mannytuzo Жыл бұрын
I hated it when I would Ace the quizzes, midterms, finals but since I didn’t put much effort into a cardboard display or some booklet project I would get a B- but the students who would get B or C in all the “big” tests but did dozen of extra credit and put on a flashy cardboard display got an A+ but when it came to the AP exams or state exams I’d score far higher.
@Anuchan Жыл бұрын
Grades record the students who excel in school, but success in school has nothing to do with success in life.
@robynology101 Жыл бұрын
@@blindbeatzz There are so many was to measure progress and assess what’s been learned aside from basic numerical scoring.
@N1ch0la5C00p3r Жыл бұрын
We underestimate persistence and passion for something. They can both get you far and allot of times excel you passed someone “smarter” than you.
@mogznwaz Жыл бұрын
Very true
@haroldt.7962 Жыл бұрын
Nicholas what you said is exactly very true brother
@josepha.r5839 Жыл бұрын
He also had a 'mentor' of sorts in the form of Carl Sagan who encouraged and supported him. I can only imagine how much, much more I would move on with someone like him!
@t206kid Жыл бұрын
Schools need to teach kids things we do in everyday living. Opening a bank account, making a budget, making a shopping list, filling taxes, filling out a job application, etc. We don't need to know how to start a bunson burner
@johnconnors6412 Жыл бұрын
No there parents and family should show them that. Schools should teach stuff that you cant easily learn at home
@t206kid Жыл бұрын
@@johnconnors6412 I mean I work for a bank and the adults don't know anything either
@jameshumphries5059 Жыл бұрын
I agree! I would also add teaching young men how to deal with pressure, stress and hard times, learn how to fight. Teach young women how to be feminine, how to cook and the dangers of being promiscuous.
@t206kid Жыл бұрын
@@jameshumphries5059 I mean with the woke nature of our schools, demasculinization of men, the break down of the core family I think those days are over
@jameshumphries5059 Жыл бұрын
@@t206kid - They are over as are what the things you said unfortunately
@mikeweeks694 Жыл бұрын
He went to Bronx Science, got into Harvard, and got his PHD from Columbia. While I agree in general that too much emphasis is put on GPA/Grades, it's not like he did poorly in that regard.
@MOMO-m0m0 Жыл бұрын
Yea but the point is for every Neil dregrasse Tyson that made it there are like 10 that didn’t. The point went over your head.
@goochipoochie Жыл бұрын
We really need to make it so for education that for every 10 Neil Tyson that didn't make it through, there are 0 that made it through
@designmycity Жыл бұрын
@@MOMO-m0m0 lol
@THEMANHASCOME-c5l Жыл бұрын
@@MOMO-m0m0 that's not true. I understand that grades our important in our society but being a B student in the best colleges and high school in the country puts you very far ahead in our society. There aren't many people in this position in society who actually end up doing poorly in life.
@abdul-rahmandauda7224 Жыл бұрын
Neil is very right, There is more to life than just ''good grade"
@MikeFromDownUnder Жыл бұрын
Encourage kids and students to ask questions and figure out the answers for themselves. Don't just deliver them.
@Salty.Peasants Жыл бұрын
It's no longer about what you know, but who you know, and how well you follow their beliefs.
@scott5088 Жыл бұрын
It has always been about who you know
@Salty.Peasants Жыл бұрын
@Scott There is an extra step now, "you must also follow their beliefs, and only their beliefs ." This wasn't the case back then, or not nearly as prevalent.
@chalpua8802 Жыл бұрын
I was never a good student growing up. I went to college and did pretty mediocre. When I finished school I realized that most of what I had done was waste learning opportunities. I worked hard after college and went into IT. I do really great now as a Senior Project Manager. However, I feel that if school was geared more towards learning vs cramming for grades, it would be a more rewarding experience. Pass/Fail should become more of the standard. The tests should examine what we learned and how we apply it critically, vs pushing us into route memorization.
@LRRPFco52 Жыл бұрын
I had been racking my mind with various ideas on how to fix school, when I finally came across a treatise called "The Six Lesson Schoolteacher". It hit me in the gut so hard because of its piercing and brutal honesty about how school really works, what it's meant to do, and where it came from. Written by New York City and Syate best teacher award-winner, John Taylor Gatto.
@rebeccabrown4515 Жыл бұрын
As a science educator of over 20 years, I never judged my students by the grades they had in my class. My AP class was open to all students who wanted to learn about environmental science regardless of their grades.
@blessingz Жыл бұрын
2023 is coming together good already , this Tyson guy having a sensible, interesting and not so self absorbed conversations
@markmilitant Жыл бұрын
Finally something correct Neil said in this interview I always average at Bs my SAT sucked but I was great at certain subjects was captain of my Robotics team and a multi sport seasonal student athlete I can’t stand grading students on just test scores that’s pure bs
@tankcommanderzulu6256 Жыл бұрын
Neil is correct .. excellent observation of real human value
@mogznwaz Жыл бұрын
Society doesn’t function if everyone aims to be in the top 1%. We need people to do ‘ordinary’ jobs that nevertheless keep society functioning. Who were some of THE most important people during the pandemic? Shop staff, delivery drivers, cleaners, etc. I NEVER look down on those people they are ESSENTIAL and we need them to be treated as such. Not everyone can be an astrophysicist.
@glennadamson957610 ай бұрын
Thank you everyone for this wonderful opportunity to listen to actual interaction, again thank you everybody who madevthis video possible.
@MinnieMouse4792 Жыл бұрын
I was directly discouraged from going to college by peers and teachers b/c of my grades. Only my guidance counselor begged me to apply. I made it to college late b/c I was convinced they were right. A whole master’s degree later, Neil is right. Grades mean shit
@georgesheffield1580 Жыл бұрын
This is how education was presented when I was in primary school in a 3rd world country . I was appalled when I came to the USA at how poorly taught and how ignorant the teachers were .
@christianfuentes8595 Жыл бұрын
I have to totally agree with Neil.
@reidloscidem3562 Жыл бұрын
Until our culture changes to prioritize and monetize teachers, we'll never get those processes that help analyze the student as a whole.
@forsakenV12 Жыл бұрын
💯
@josephl9619 Жыл бұрын
Teachers have got 20 plus kids in front of them, with all kinds of (often competing) personal issues talents wants and needs. They arent just focussed on grades, they are focussed on lots of things.
@rodniegsm1575 Жыл бұрын
I agree. I think teaching should be looked at from a scientific perspective. Because there are too many children's all with different personalities and sutch.
@AquaMarineFBVA Жыл бұрын
sure but that is so far past were this would need to be addressed. structurally we need to shift our system away from grades as a metric of success
@MrAdams-fs7vi19 күн бұрын
I am a middle school math teacher, and I feel like schools/teachers in my area have changed for the better since Neil was in school. We do use grades, but not in the archaic way he was referring. I have conversations constantly with all of my students about their potential and how they could grow up to do amazing things. Most of the changes he would like to see would require a great deal of funding. And since we pour so much money into standardized tests, schools will focus on the wrong things.
@Demy1970 Жыл бұрын
I am in education, a 95 today is a 75 in 1980 plus now, no independent thinking about how to do things. Kids can’t figure out things, college is a waste, plus special education is killing everything, instruction has gone into mediocrity, teach to lowest common denominator. Not all kids should be in school getting a meaningless diploma, some kids who hate school are wasting very ones time, send to vocational school.
@dblev2019 Жыл бұрын
Your absolutely right. I have a nephew who is a talented mechanic, but going to university would be a waste of time and a setback for hm. Instead he got a job which helped him get certification for various repairs, then went to trade school. This attitude that everyone should go to university seems to have ulterior motives. After all it’s easier to control the masses if they’ve been subjected to five years of propaganda. I work in a university and in the time I’ve been there the enrollment has more then doubled, yet my work load has slowed as if enrollment was cut in half. Kids don’t know how to do research, I’m not even sure how many of them know how to use the libraries catalog, but the university blows tons of money on distractions which only get in the way of learning.
@LRRPFco52 Жыл бұрын
Since the introduction of compulsory schooling in the US, people have gotten less and less educated. There was a departure from that trend with STEM in the US after the Sputnik scare, but reading, English, geography, history, writing, foreign languages, and arts continued to decline on a pretty steady trend line from 1896-present. They purged the classically-educated professors incrementally because of the nature of conformity and lack of high quality professors the more the system replicated itself.
@Ninariley2003 Жыл бұрын
My question to you is since there is grade inflation and teaching is to the lowest denominator - where is the vocational school programs you say we should send these poor academic performers? It seems that the emphasis is for all the increase of AP programs in high schools. Degrasse- Tyson is talking about the overemphasis of grades but it just seems that its getting worse. How can we make public education focus on the whole learner? We seem to be throwing a lot of money at it and its not getting better.
@LRRPFco52 Жыл бұрын
@@Ninariley2003 Public schooling is hybrid of the following: 1. Prussian model reform movement so Germany could defeat the French 2. Conformity training to achieve #1 3. Covert religious and political medium envisioned by John Dewey 4. Jobs program for unionized teachers Notice the lack of emphasis on individual education. The best thing we can do relative to public schooling is keep kids out of it, teach them at home, and exert more oversight on school boards.
@melissa3407 Жыл бұрын
What a great conversation. The whole education system needs an overhaul
@Ezunit1991 Жыл бұрын
Drive and grit are the most important traits. Need to find those.
@3rdCoastAlliance Жыл бұрын
I think what Neil said is an important thing to consider. A scholastic grading system is an important tool to be able to evaluate whether students are performing to a certain standard; but it's on its own, it doesn't serve as an adequate predictor of future success.
@callicordova4066 Жыл бұрын
Teach critical thinking and problem solving.
@melarri Жыл бұрын
first thing that needs to change... is getting the reading level from 4 grade to at least a 6th grade level on average...this would help so more in education...
@gmnboss Жыл бұрын
..your drive, your grit...your support systems
@bilguana11 Жыл бұрын
Corporations hold many people back from being innovative. It isn't the best idea that wins but the best sales pitch. I had to get out to start two successful small businesses. I had been rejected by two universities for their MBA programs.
@georgesheffield1580 Жыл бұрын
The classes and curriculum are not evenly distributed to use grade averaging to have any significant meaning.
@rainwave5 Жыл бұрын
7:18 this is definitely a pushback which should be welcomed nonetheless. It's also a textbook example of survivorship bias. He will seldom hear the stories of those who had no encouragement and for which it didn't "work out".
@psmithrpm Жыл бұрын
NDT is my hero. In reference to his comments regarding educational systems identifying wunderkind, I believe he's pointing out that it's not likely to ever happen. The academic mind doesn't typically comprehend nor allow for creative thinking; if anything, it's the opposite, attempting to force round pegs into round holes, otherwise discarding them. It's akin to accountants vs. artists; there's not much comprehension or bleed-over between the mindsets, to begin with. Academia is built around a foundation that fights and suppresses creativity and tends to treat it as a virus rather than an asset, or as a valid alternative to their pigeonholing methodologies. Personally, I don't see this ever being cured, but Dr. Tyson's lucid descriptions of the phenom are more than helpful for those who raise children suffering from this predicament.
@megalodon3655 Жыл бұрын
Pls interview the Daniel Haqiqatjou and Mohammad Hjiab.
@DonAllenIII Жыл бұрын
I absolutely agree of this! Grades are only one measurement of a much larger pie chart. And the rest of the pie has more significance on the life the environment, but everything that the student will eventually grow up into. They’re both important, but I wish there was more value on all the stuff that aren’t a part of the grade.
@kinolockhart4228 Жыл бұрын
This deserve far more likes
@jefflomprey1688 Жыл бұрын
Great clip, I agree
@mogznwaz Жыл бұрын
Life skills. Critical thinking, reading books, debating multiple positions on a topic, scientific method, streaming by aptitude and ability where possible, broad basic curriculum for everyone especially in poor areas who need hope to improve their situation. Keep politics out of the classroom. Equality of opportunity NOT affirmative action.
@inertiaforce7846 Жыл бұрын
I never liked school, it felt like a prison.
@mogznwaz Жыл бұрын
A different kind of school might have been good for you though
@josepha.r5839 Жыл бұрын
4:00 - 4:35. One very important thing is that parents are involved, are questioning and helping their kids, and attend school-sponsored events and ... more than, very unfortunately side-stepped by other pursuits that they must do such as long hour jobs, fatigued due to work, who worry where the next monthly pay check/monthly mortgage - apartment rent/ food will come from, who may have come from poor education backgrounds, etc. and .... you get the picture. Still, it's possible. It's going to be hard as hell but possible. I grew up in a very poor environment, my mother could barely read/write/speak English so very little support ... but NOT by her fault. But, I had incredible caring, nurturing, helpful teachers in grade school and encouraged me and instilled a love of reading, books, writing. However, it's not so much today. With the 'miracle' of technology, with so much public violence, forlorn kids who are sad, depressed, lonely, afraid, etc. it's very difficult for them.
@xaujumper Жыл бұрын
Dope video. Love Neil
@RemnantSRT440 Жыл бұрын
School seems like it's a daycare and training place for the workforce. Go to school for almost 8 hours, and take a 30-minute lunch. Albeit there are some teachers that are legit there for kids to learn and enjoy teaching kids.
@keirstenwahlberg6476 Жыл бұрын
Grades just tell you how you do on assignments and tests. Good grades don't equate unique or enlightened thinkers. If you get a good grade it just means you remembered what you were told. It doesn't ignite original thinking.
@27jyp Жыл бұрын
I agree. I made the comment on this video regarding the problem in South Korea and now having so much problems today: "I felt that the biggest irony shows the disparity of of entrepreneurship of North Koreans including black markets & South Korea lack of Entrepreneurship because North Korea does not judge grade (ironically with Kim Worship while you can fail all courses) in contrast to South Korea that emphasize so much." As a Korean Canadian, many diasporas & I are very disappointed & furious at asinine decision by South Korean society for making the system worse.
@dimitrioskalfakis Жыл бұрын
well said.
@Edizonstudio Жыл бұрын
rly good clip. hard smart work pays
@bobbid65 Жыл бұрын
I agree with your evaluation. I wish there was a way for more personalized teaching. However, in defense of the teacher, he/she is stuck/committed to the system, which gives you 25-35 children in the class, most of whom are already traumatized from home, may not be "on grade level", and he/she is supposed to a) control the behavior of all 25-35 children/teens and b) make sure all (100%) of them make the standardized test grade. These are unreasonable expectations given there is not enough time, money, or resources. I wish I knew how to reconstruct the education machine to be better at meeting and nurturing individual talents and inclinations while at the same time teaching students how to be good citizens.
@piano8556 Жыл бұрын
Of course they are pupils unregognized. I am a teacher for music (not in america though). I love my Job and try to teach my subject with passion. On the other side I have 17 classes a week with around 25 students each I see once a week.. smaller classes would make a big differents. The most impact you have on them is outside the regular lessons in workshops they freely choose to do like "band", "choir", etc
@veereshpro Жыл бұрын
I'm sorry to say it's not education but the CULTURE thats needs to be changed in America
@shanghaidiscovery2664 Жыл бұрын
The problem with the US education system goes beyond the obsession over grades. I have a kid who went to college last year and a junior in HS now and the whole GPA + college essay process is ridiculous. 18-year-olds having to prove how exceptional they are so they can continue learning. Since we are European, they are going to college in the Netherlands. Now, the system there also has issues, but: - They don't care about your grades as long as you graduated - You have to take an aptitude test to show you are suited for the degree you want to pursue and that this is a good fit for you - Rather than pretend you saved the world by 18, they place far more value on kids who had jobs and made money whilst in high school. better preparation for life and to have less debt or place less burden on parents
@chordychord2151 Жыл бұрын
We need smaller class sizes to give the necessary attention to each student.
@MrEtc31265 Жыл бұрын
My Change Would Be, Make Education Available to Everyone at a much less cost.
@jrzshor Жыл бұрын
similar. state of NJ state college said i didn't have what is took to be in college (1975). two master degrees later...in the 1980's. and , then i got a community college degree for photography in 2019!
@sypen1 Жыл бұрын
There still needs some sort of baseline knowledge of reading writing a math. There’s no way we advance as a society with everyone having a lot passion that can’t read / write and add 2+2.
@luciferfire1575 Жыл бұрын
I don’t think Neil ever said that it shouldn’t be any baseline knowledge. I mean, learning how to read and doing basic arithmetic doesn’t even require a GED. People come to America with no education from third world countries and start successful businesses. He’s just saying that GPA,s shouldn’t just be the determining factor to measure if a person is granted opportunities that cater to their interests.
@livefree1030 Жыл бұрын
Great answer. But, I still thought he would say "One thing I would change is, I would listen more talk less".
@victorvalandybernard7944 Жыл бұрын
shut up
@redpepper313 Жыл бұрын
The problem is that school is seen as the source of all good future things so all other activities and institutions are treated as unimportant so we end up with students who are well prepared for graduate school and not much else in life.
@KB-Unc Жыл бұрын
Bad grades are indicators of something else is going on. Average kids definitely flourish. Failing kids rarely flourish. Those are facts.
@kylevswild Жыл бұрын
I have a four year old who I can already tell has zero interest in being a "teacher pleaser" and getting straight A's. And yet, I have the strong suspicion that he's going to be incredibly successful someday (be it in business, politics, etc.). The balance is figuring out how to parent him in a way that encourages exploration, while maintaining some semblence of respect for tradition and order and processes. BTW, I have no clue how that's done yet.. lol
@ayanomar1408 Жыл бұрын
when you do let me know because I am raising a similar kid, when Neil said that his teacher said he is too busy socializing instead of focusing on Academics I laughed because that is the exact comment I got for my kindergardner. she gets bored quickly and would rather make friends than sit still and listen
@LRRPFco52 Жыл бұрын
What if the order and processes will rob him of his drive and opportunities to achieve the best version and vision of himself?
@LRRPFco52 Жыл бұрын
@@ayanomar1408 School: A great place to learn social skills. Also: "Stop socializing!"
@ayanomar1408 Жыл бұрын
@@LRRPFco52 Honestly I had to remind her teacher that as much as we all would like kids that work like a remote switch m. it is simply impossible to expext a 5 year old to just be still for 6 hours a day
@LRRPFco52 Жыл бұрын
@@ayanomar1408 Absolutely. Kids and adults need motion. Requiring sedentary behavior, especially during the first hours of the day, is not healthy. It's based on the limits of information distribution in the late 1700s and early 1800s classroom models that were pioneered with the Prussian Reforms. We are so far ahead of that, it never made sense in the US to bring the Prussian classroom here, but that's exactly what happened. Horace Mann brought it to Massachusetts, and John Dewey spread it like a cancer across the US. Kindergarten was started by Fredrick Fröbel to compensate for the loss of his mother and neglect from his father, but was based around playing outside and some hands-on developmental playing with shapes and blocks. It was turned into just another classroom model containing kids indoors. I've yet to meet a kindergarten teacher in the US that knows what kindergarten is supposed to be. My 3 younger kids have never seen the inside of a classroom. The youngest of the 3 had already read 1000 books by age 6, just taking them to the library every week. His sisters have read more.
@tigers7834 Жыл бұрын
I was in 6th grade and my english teacher said I needed to be in her advance class. I wasn't making all A's but she knew I could do the work. Phone call to my parents and following week I was in all of the advance classes. Grades do have a purpose, but it shouldn't be the only thing that matters
@josepha.r5839 Жыл бұрын
Same here! But, different times. My 6th grade teacher back in 56? 57? wrote on the final report card .. 'Joe must go to high school and college'. We were poor. My mother and I were astonished. It worked. I still have that report card and my nephew has it now.
@thegardener3650 Жыл бұрын
Please have Johnny Harris on!
@dandanz78779 ай бұрын
brilliant
@snowflakeca2079 Жыл бұрын
It’s easy. Critical thinking skills development. Ending religion by removing tax exemptions for it. Done.
@felixg.7752 Жыл бұрын
If i were to change one thing it would be senior year there are no classes the whole year is dedicated to finding a field of study they would be interested in. How that would look like is every week students go into a different industry going over what the workforce of that industry does, seeing it as a field trip were we all get in busses and travel to see what people do. It gives students the opportunity to see what they could be interested in before going to college saving a bunch of time and money.
@josepha.r5839 Жыл бұрын
I like the idea. But, perhaps staring slowly as some summer school program that gradually introduces kids to said above beginning, let's say, end of 9th through 12th. Start for 2 or so weeks per year up to 8 or so. (I know, I know some kids would go ballistic, but why make it mandatory?)
@felixg.7752 Жыл бұрын
@@josepha.r5839 School is already mandatory. Though coming back to this comment i could see how this wouldnt make sense logistically. Without proper insensitive from both sides this would never work.
@williamlee9669 Жыл бұрын
Well because resources are limited and there is gotta be a way to determine how to distribute resources. The problem is not that if a student are evaluated that they can do better they would get more resources, it is that the evaluation is not accurate. But the evaluation may never be perfect and standardized test is currently the most fair and equal way currently to evaluate people. You are just saying something is wrong (and yes something is wrong everyone can see that) but you don’t know how to fix it.
@terrodar19 Жыл бұрын
The current education system promotes obedient employees rather than free thinking entrepreneurs and visionaries
@27jyp Жыл бұрын
I felt that the biggest irony shows the disparity of of entrepreneurship of North Koreans including black markets & South Korea lack of Entrepreneurship because North Korea does not judge grade (ironically with Kim Worship while you can fail all courses) in contrast to South Korea that emphasize so much.
@Caporg3000 Жыл бұрын
It seems counterintuitive, but Elementary schools have a better grading system than secondary schools. Once you start getting numerical grades for subjects, school becomes 5-6 “jobs.” Some you like and work hard at, others you live “paycheck to paycheck” trying to pass. Ultimately the secondary school system kills creativity, passion, and learning for learning’s sake. A Remember being a teenager in school? Did you do the work you didn’t like if the teacher said it wasn’t being graded? It’s a whole system designed to make people become comfortable being worker bees.
@Franciscoxds Жыл бұрын
As a med student sometimes your grades are the best way to evaluate your competence. Some carrer paths just need these types of systems but others do not. This is especially important when human beigns life is at risk. Another examples that come to mind are airline pilots, nurses, and engineer.
@moulin1995 Жыл бұрын
I used to fail Math in school when i went to Varsity i was always in the Top 10. students just need to find the right teacher. Everything was an Aha moment, take students that didn't do well let them do medicine they might surprise you. Everyone is a genius they just need to find a way to unlock it
@leonarmstrong5589 Жыл бұрын
There were people in my class that excelled during didactic class but when it came to clinicals they operated as if they had 2 left hands, 2 left foot and inverted eyes. Simply being able to get a high grade is not the only standard it's a fact to be evaluated yes, but not the sole answer.
@AquaMarineFBVA Жыл бұрын
grades become the appropriate metric for evaluating someone's aptitude and competency sure, but before you do that we need to be teaching kids how and more importantly why they should be passionate
@ivanhernandez4615 Жыл бұрын
I didnt get a very good grade on my test, I needed this 😂
@dblev2019 Жыл бұрын
Someone needs to give Neil daGrasse Tyson a Thomas Sowell book. Enthusiasm is fine but its not a substitute for knowing the science. I work in a university and see how much money is wasted “build enthusiasm”, and all it does is raise tuition and distract from learning! Oh and many employers still look at gpa.
@JerseyBoy489 Жыл бұрын
Sound butthurt
@bdp295 Жыл бұрын
The public school system is plenty screwed up but he is once again seemingly clueless and naive about anything outside of his specific field of study. How tf is our education system supposed to quantify the factors of a child's life outside of the classroom, as he suggests? Furthermore, that suggests the school system should have ready access to that information in the first place... which they most certainly should not. Administrative corruption, misguided, exorbitant spending, and the mentality of "no child left behind" are far bigger problems than the emphasis on grades based on a student's display of academic ability.
@thetest8777 Жыл бұрын
Yea they look at it and think I want this guy on my team,then they move on and couldn't care less 10 seconds after
@edeguzman896 ай бұрын
5:29 poignant, looking more intrinsically, internal and on a deeper level
@Zachary_Setzer Жыл бұрын
The top three graduates at my high school are now 1) a double specialist physician and med school professor at U of Michigan, 2) a surgeon with several dozen peer reviewed publications, and 3) a successful local pediatric dentist. My individual experi3nce makes it hard to swallow the "abolish grades" argument (I recognize he isn't necessarily saying abolish grades by the end of this but he was leaning that way early in the conversation).
@Galford8322 Жыл бұрын
The valedictorian at my school ended up getting kicked out of college unless he agreed to a psychological evaluation exam. He refused and worked his whole life at a nursing home. Probably a good example for someone just chasing the grades with what Neil describes.
@Jesseg-rj6xf Жыл бұрын
What is wrong and needs to change is the disparity in resources. What kids get exposed to in education shouldn’t be correlated with the zipcode you live in.
@savethezombies Жыл бұрын
Now I want to wrestle Neil. He's probably still good at it.
@miked.9364 Жыл бұрын
Well someone seemed to recognize, or how would he of gotten all these extra things?
@armandboisvenue2987 Жыл бұрын
Neil reminds me of the bar scene in Good Will Hunting.
@Bluesrains Жыл бұрын
THANK GOODNESS FOR YOU NEIL YOU'RE A TREMENDOUS INSPIRATION FOR HOW TO MAKE LEARNING FUN. IF YOU RAN FOR PRESIDENT I VOTE FOR YOU!!!
@michaelschneider1365 Жыл бұрын
only problem no way to teach all different ways.
@illumjАй бұрын
I had very bad grades, now I'm studying dentistry.
@charzanboo9940 Жыл бұрын
Jordan Peterson says gpa is a measure of one's IQ but school/universities won't say that outloud.
@werwinn Жыл бұрын
Get rid of memorization thats usseles
@nicomyth Жыл бұрын
Neil arguing the benefits of homeschooling 😅. Homeschooling allows education with a focus on developing a love of learning. Education should not stop at the 12th grade... learning continues over the course of life.
@JimmyMook Жыл бұрын
I’m a public school teacher. 20 Years and our education system is a joke. Here’s why: we try to educate EVERYONE instead of teaching the ones who actually want to learn. Not all kids should be taking math. Not all kids should be forced to take these ridiculous classes. They mentioned “bad” teachers too. Good luck trying to teach kids who are gangsters and have no parents at home, no food, no clothes. Rich kids may have have money but their parents are never home to engage. That’s neglect too. People live in fantasy land about education. Don’t talk to me about teaching unless you spend at least 5 years in a classroom Pat and Neal. Then tell me how to fix it. We would need a societal change and it’s not going to happen.
@truuee9016 Жыл бұрын
"A person is so much more than the numerics of their GPA"
@derekhenson3471 Жыл бұрын
No slight intended, but how does one who was an “average” student that never had a teacher believe in him end up in the Bronx High School of Science?
@noahmatthew6658 Жыл бұрын
I had a 2.9 gpa in high school but now I have a better college gpa and degree than half the kids who had 4.0s.
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@lordlemond1350 Жыл бұрын
Stop treating school like one size fits all. Our society trains humans to be employees with little to no financial management skills. 🤷🏽♂️ There are things you just can’t teach in school, you experience in life.
@Tylaw2006 Жыл бұрын
He went to one of the most prestigious high schools in NYC, I don’t believe what he said
@dejue Жыл бұрын
Passion and drive are like vegetables. They are good for you. But nobody can explain why some people like Brussels sprouts and others can’t stand them. Nobody has ever figured out “why” someone is interested in a particular topic. Grades are the only way to quantify a certain level of competence and ability to be adherent to social standards
@MagicMike-n6u Жыл бұрын
Yh, interesting perspective however if you had looked at Einstein's grades especially in mathematics during school you'd never ever had any idea what he would go on to accomplish!
@MMAMidora Жыл бұрын
@@MagicMike-n6u Thats a myth. Einsteins grades were exceptional in Math. He mastered integral and differential calculus by 16. His worst subjects were Language ( I think french) and chemistry. I think your point still stands though because einstein wasn't a model student. He got great grades in things he was interested in and less than stellar grades in things he wasn't. He wasn't a fan of rote memorization and lecture-learning so even for his favorite subjects (Physics/Math) he wouldn't show up to class a lot. He was also a big question asker. His style of learning didn't really fit into the academic system that well.
@zayn6725 Жыл бұрын
The sad reality is, I bet the teachers didn’t even know his name
@rasalghul9331 Жыл бұрын
Grading students on their enthusiam is really a bad idea. I say that because it is so subjective and wishy-washy. Besides - a student might have a test with 12 math problems and get all 12 questions answered correctly. (Replace math with any other subject such as History, Geography, etc). One student might be hyper enthusiastic but get half the answers wrong. Another student might not really care but answer all the questions correctly. Are we saying the enthusiastic student will get the higher marks?
@jonathangerard745 Жыл бұрын
More people in India need to watch this. The NEET and JEE are just too overrated. The coaching center i attend to crack the JEE hardly teach the NCERT, the most basic step of cracking any exam at all. They underestimate it's importance in down-to-the-root understanding of concepts. Weekend tests every week simply add to the tension, since the deadline for studying is tough for most. People simply mug up formulae and show up for the exam, forget everything the following week, and thus the cycle continues. At the end of the day, Sundar Pichai may have been an underdog back in the day, who just-passed the JEE and studied Metallurgical Engineering. Today, his job is completely unrelated to what he studied.
@whatthe4913 Жыл бұрын
Never normally agree with Neil, but the school system stresses kids out and doesn't guide them being full filled and productive.
@wcoasttigger Жыл бұрын
Reduce class size. Pay teachers atleast enough to live on their own easily. You cant teach 25+ students. If we really want to educate we need to do those 2 things. Let the teachers teach.
@pjj9491 Жыл бұрын
I quit school in sr year and went back to night jr college to finish...Ive read many books, been self emp many times and would put my self- taught education against most of the college grads I know .... except those in the sciences but even those I can spell better than...lol....read read read....just like Elon said, you can have many degrees and still be a moron...or teach yourself and carry on...after all, except for labs, college is just a lot of reading....and today, students are pretty brainhosed...
@HigherPlanes Жыл бұрын
End Standardized testing.
@brycekamin Жыл бұрын
funny how the comment section agrees with Neil on this but nothing else lmao
@gutsikkyamo8426 Жыл бұрын
He would wipe out his scandals about sexual harassment if he had a choice
@jacquemiller9847 Жыл бұрын
He's advocating for a custom learning plan and you can't do that for 30 people in every class
@pavellambracht5823 Жыл бұрын
I Understand Neil, progress over grades. However, when you try to have a conversation with modern children right now their responses are limited to, "I don't know, I don't care". Everything they care about is TikTok and how to get the attention of their peers. There is no Social Emotional Development going on, and there is no social interaction among them. Thye can't be enthusiastic about school if they are not enthusiastic about their own lives...