"If You're Not Exploiting, You're Not Playing Poker" - Bart Hanson

[@JunglemanDanCates]

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[@gregorykelly8000]

Fogily remember a European player say no max rake at all levels.

[@gregorykelly8000]

Oregon has 5$ for a seat no rake, cant use chips to buy anything. Dealers volunteer, so u better tip, tipping dealers in chips allowed.

[@gregorykelly8000]

Oregon poker rooms almost always have a bomb pot button rotating other direction, one time had two ;)

[@gregorykelly8000]

US laws seem to be preventing right, no?????

[@gregorykelly8000]

Laws seem to be preventing right, no???????

[@CrushlivePoker]

Thanks for having me on Jungle! Been a big fan of yours for many years.

[@CatAficionado]

Awesome job!

[@ericcomp7032]

Thanks for sharing with us Bart. 😊

[@nicholassmith6701]

You def should have had a live caller with a 2/5 hand and the both of you could have given your thoughts !

[@EricPetersen2922]

Nice Bart 👍🤩😃

[@Seatek_Ark]

What room in vegas do you think has the best plo action?

[@Normallifeswe]

Thanks for the podcast! Dan, you need a proper microphone. There's a big difference between your audio and Bart's.

[@RandomFunZer]

Yes but one of them does it professionally and the other one is famous.

[@daniellc11]

ITS COMING

[@danielwillingham3708]

Bart is definitely the best coach for low to mid stakes live poker. Learned so much from the guy over the years.

[@StreetSoulLover]

Gotta get through a lot of Bart before you get to Squish

[@idontknow1919]

I second that. I remembered listening to his podcast 15 years ago. I learned so many good live fundamentals like "way ahead or way behind " haha.

[@francescoiadicicco1266]

Green screen is roasting my eyes. I'll follow this on audio only because this two guys are GOATs.

[@showandtellmusic]

Jungle, enjoyed the interview very much, one of my favorite poker interviews from this year but the lighting you're using is creepy looking. Maybe try a different bulb or something 👍 Looking forward to more interviews...

[@box324]

Bart explaining the mental stress of swinging $40k-$50k at 10/20 . . . Dan: "That's fine. If you don't want to move up, don't move up" 🤣

[@Franciscasieri]

Life is relative...Einstein proved it...

[@travisbickle0526]

That's not even a swing 😂

[@MentalPawn]

Bart is an amazing coach ,i like also the calmness and the accent in his voice ,you can understand easily what he talking about!

[@thirdeyeliquidators329]

Dans head exploded when he heard about California drops.

[@albertwang6465]

Yeah fk that drop, I literally drive to vegas just to get away from that shit drop

[@darylmixan8170]

But California Poker is different... (talking Bay Area) there are many, many live gamblers... These pots get big enough to beat the rake

[@thirdeyeliquidators329]

@@darylmixan8170 I beat a $9 drop at 1-3 at a 11.62 BB per hour. It’s definitely doable. Tighten range and play BIG pots.

[@careycoutinho5834]

One of the better pods that Jungle has done. Great stuff

[@lapampa4296]

I think it was the guest that made the difference

[@richfrost1441]

Bart + Tuchman's commentary on the early LATB streams is possibly the most underrated poker content. Great guest! A true legend.

[@charliesmusic270]

Finally, after too many weak pods, a quality episode from Dan. Bart is the man.✊🏼

[@CatAficionado]

Dream guest for me! Loving it so far!

[@lunchbox6576]

I just found this podcast, you have a new subscriber .

[@somedudesdad3905]

Great stuff. Glad u posted on x about juicy live info first 20 min. Thanks for sharing

[@box324]

Dan not knowing current rake structures lmao

[@busfahrer09]

Dude hasn't played a single non-maximum raked pot since 2003 probably, why would he know...

[@FuzzypupPoker]

Totally agree with Bart on everything. I had the same experience as he did.

[@nathansmith7335]

Great combo - jungle and Bart - two great and differing perspectives on the game

[@justinrazor6250]

I'm surprised when they were talking about rakes and drops in different states and countries that they didn't bring up Portland oregon, there's no rake at all you just paid $20 at the door and you can play poker all day...

[@SharkyG23]

Gotta say, as a live pro, i never really considered Bart that good, but after this interview, I gained a lot of respect for him. He definitely knows what he is talking about when it comes to low and midstakes live poker.

[@skylertaylor7283]

Bart is way better than you

[@omgbaxtergames]

The thing about Bart is he isn't a "crusher" - despite the name Crush Live Poker. He knows what he's good at, and knows how to exploit weakness at low to mid stakes, and knows how to make a lot of money doing what he does. He's not gonna go toe to toe in the nose bleeds, cause (at least from what it seems) he knows his game, and knows how to beat it over and over again. So I respect his game and respect how well he knows how to exploit 2-5 through 5-10-25 and even higher. But yea, you're not gonna find him in Bobbys Room or anything.

[@ambientexpanse]

​@@omgbaxtergamesYou mean the Legends Room? Table 1?

[@omgbaxtergames]

@@ambientexpanse yea Legends. Bellagio changed the name but it’s still Bobby’s it my head lol

[@tommyfu9271]

The thing is being at least decent,not tilting and being fun to play with prints money live. It's about so much more than some theoretical understanding

[@FrankJonesBristolFJ]

Very interesting chat on high stakes play in China

[@consumer61]

Agreed

[@horn2102]

My brother I am begging you to get a consulting session with a sound engineer

[@thirdeyeliquidators329]

His microphone sounds like a tin can

[@myanaloglife9450]

It can be improved, but this guy is a pro poker player not a pro podcaster..give him a break.. thank you for the learning opportunity

[@user-sd8bz2zr5j]

It's extremely funny to me that this human coaches people on how to play poker. Him discussing strategy reminds me of how I thought about poker in 2006 when I was first learning how to play.

[@cross-eyetime8939]

Thanks Dan and Bart 😊

[@dillanwhite]

17:35 - happy for you

[@EfrenyErika]

You can see Jungleman’s eyes light up as he visualizes the hands and confirms the truth on the advice from the coach

[@juliosegarra7175]

I've played in parx. It's one of the best poker rooms I've played in. They bluff a lot there.

[@EfficientRVer]

Dan's never been my favorite player, but because his life/poker experience is so different from my own, I'm subscribing. Dan, if you're giving it a shot to share what you know, I'm listening. I was a part-time to full-time New England pro from 2005-2020. Like Bart, I liked playing a level or two below where my EV would have peaked. Partly for his reason of avoiding much bigger swings, therefore reducing my bankroll requirements. But maybe a bit more for the fact that I'd rather be completely relaxed and joking around with fun recreational players, plus be significantly better than any other semi-pro or pro players at the table, usually. I enjoyed playing a level or two up with the toughest pros at Foxwoods, and still won at those levels. I eventually stopped being targeted by them, after gaining respect by taking their money when they'd try blowing me off hands. Once confident playing the toughest game in the room, I was happy to drop back down most of the time, and only play with them when their games got fish-laden. When a bunch of fish were in their game (usually restaurant owners) then I'd join them in taking my slice of that pie. But the rest of the time, I'd just have fun knowing I'm grinding out easy money in a more comfortable game. One big difference is that as Bart says, the higher game might be barely breakeven for me much of the week, when it's just the best pros grinding against each other paying rake, and have a great win rate maybe 20 hours per week. While at "my" game, I could play any hour of any day, as many hours as I wanted, and not have a single hour of it be breakeven or losing EV. Though I don't believe in tapping on the fish tank or giving free lessons, there were also cases where I knew that some aspiring players viewed me as a role model both technically and behaviorally. In a few cases, I actively advised/mentored them, though obviously not while at the table with them. Helping someone to become a smart player, a pleasant player to be at the table with, and not someone driving future new players away from the game, is a pretty good feeling.

[@TheQuantt]

this is such a good video, great info

[@lapampa4296]

Wow....really impressed by Bart's thought process, didn't know much about him before this podcast. I agree, if a poker player has the ability to make 75K live, they have the intelligence and can most likely find a job that pays more with benefits, health insurance, vacation days, annual increases. For 99% of individuals, it would be a terrible choice to give up a career and play poker full time .

[@DeportillegalAliens]

No it wouldn't, unless you have your own business.

[@connorjodon6051]

The $125 bet is 100% valid. If someone in live poker doesn’t increase their bet on a turn blank. They’re never super strong

[@HoldenMcGroin-bp6yz]

The fact that jungleman doesn’t know about the drop cracks me up! I dream of being at a level that the cost of the game is irrelevant…

[@kevinsalasberetta2039]

Great guest

[@Pokerfarhang]

Loved Bart's passion and honesty

[@BillyThompson-z6q]

1-3 , 2-5 in tunica ms, they pull 7$ 2 for jackpot it's massive buy in for 1-3 is 300 max 2-5 is 1k. almost always a straddle on the button.

[@mckinleytinny]

same in florida

[@MichaelShinosky]

Tons of PLO in Hollywood Florida and decent in Tampa.

[@FuzzypupPoker]

I played in both dropped and raked games. Drops are murder at low stakes. I calculated you lose roughly $16 an hour from a 7+2 drop vs a 6+2 raked 10% max game.

[@grandpatzer]

Good stuff

[@tylervinsongolf]

This was hillarious. Jungleman would refuse to agree with a single one of Barts points

[@casherj1]

@tylervinsongolf Yeah you can clearly see that he hasn't been coached on the art of "being the host" in podcasting. You are supposed to help the guest shine, not push back on every angle like you are trying to get value from a fish. Aside from the fact that he seems bored like a hot chick at points where he is like "yeah yeah yeah you got anymore big pot stories you might have forgotten about"

[@travistowell7149]

so when are yall playing a streamed heads up match 🤔🤔

[@Petty-Cash]

Yes please

[@tommyfu9271]

Live and online are totally different games. If you're playing gto live in any game worth playing you're leaving a lot of money in the table. Additionally the vast majority of gto bots still don't understand what live poker is really about. They almost all are terrible socially,tank etc and poison their player pools. Bart is also 100 percent right about how people used to play nl. I can remember opens to 50 in 2/5 nl where 6 people would call. These days almost all the real gamblers are in plo.

[@ryanlisterman1864]

I've always agreed with Bart’s take That the IQ and skills required to be Making $50k-$100k in poker if applied to bring just an entrepreneur you're going to make $150-$200k

[@maxev817]

O.G. Commerce grinder Bart Hanson still in the game playing and teaching. Awesome!

[@uezdiego]

The rake in Brazil are 5% no cap!

[@330miggs]

Jungle, did you get any sleep at all leading up to this Interview ?? You have to be sharp when interviewing the GOAT♠♠♠

[@Max-bf8uf]

Why’d you stop uploading the pod on Apple/Spotify ?

[@albertog3285]

Play 50 weeks per year no days off... it's almost impossible ‼‼‼ you would get crazy ‼

[@johnm7489]

My only argument against playing poker for a living at a young age is that you lose the opportunity to move up in the workplace. Even if you’re going to work for a new company, you’re still getting paid more as the years go by because of your prior work history and experience. Not sure “professional gambler” helps much on most applications

[@320zippy]

SMH it Jungleman has way more live california experience than I do (none for me). and I knew it was a drop rather than rake from watching LATB with bart and tuchman for years.

[@BillyThompson-z6q]

if you made 50k and its "cash," you can live off that, but you need a roll, and you need another income. Most will not get ahead if you stay at 50k very often

[@dsrrellgriffith1161]

u have health insurance and a cheap place to live,,,,hahaha,,,,

[@johnf1772]

$50k is $25/hr...it's very difficult to not find a job that pays that. I've seen McDonald's offering $21/hr in certain areas. You need to start poker as side gig. Play 15/20 hours a week and if you can get $25-$50/hr there, there's your toy money.

[@justinayoub8374]

Should try rake in Australia 😂 2/3 2/5 games are 10% capped $15 per hand.

[@benzmane7564]

Unplayable.

[@ernestoleitao8684]

Bart knows "the way"

[@devanishant]

Yes. I remember being berated by better players. If I won, they criticized and talked about me in the third person. If I lost, they laughed. It was no fun and I quit the game for 15 years. Now I'm back better, playing tight, grinding out $50/hour at 5/5, live NL home games.

[@tommyfu9271]

Players who do this are entitled, usually broke and great at killing games.

[@ogolthorp]

A regular career is basically ALWAYS financially preferable to full time poker because of stuff like 401ks and insurance and all that. Unless you’re one of the top top top players who can make millions a year playing poker.

[@skelorbonor]

Bart is fantastic

[@ПоздравОтМазето]

nice

[@magiciangob]

In a game filled with so many crypto-bros and neo-libertarians it is really nice to hear a successful player condemning corporate greed and expressing more thoughtful opinions about the role of government. Dan's idea that casinos (or any coroporation) shouldn't be able to just start making more profits because they feel like it is wonderfully optimistic and it's a shame more people don't feel that way.

[@tonybigcharles2826]

what i cant believe is there are some people who own a ton of bitcoin willing to vote for Kamala, when only RFK, desantis or Trump are doing everything they can to protect bitcoin and stop a CBDC from replacing bitcoin. Kamala would jail and seize everyone for owning bitcoin if she could. she would probably stop all poker rooms from accepting cash.

[@jacobbirkenfeld9261]

MAGA 2024!!

[@Anonkontello]

This comment is so stupid I don’t even have an intelligent response to it other than MAGA 2024 BABY!!! GO ORANGE MAN, YEAH!!

[@kevinsalasberetta2039]

Yeah usually the pro poker players always have awful political takes as well

[@Kektamusprime]

"cryptobros" = people who bought ETH or SOL and held and made more money than 95% of wannabe poker pros

[@ernestoleitao8684]

Jungle also knows "the way"

[@timothypage8147]

Someone smart enough to make $50K per year at poker can absolutely earn way more in the general labor market.

[@Anonkontello]

Even for poker players, money isn’t all that matters. Maybe some truly love playing the game. Maybe some just feel like themselves at the table.

[@EricPetersen2922]

Not having a job-that’s winning in life Can’t put a price tag on waking up everyday when you like. Sure it takes discipline and hard work. But hard work isn’t a job. Best

[@daniellc11]

Like what?

[@dsrrellgriffith1161]

what about car payments, health insurance, car insurance, food, rent, etc etc,,,,hahahahahaha

[@Dr_Hj]

Someone making 50k at poker can make considerably more day trading and the skills transfers over to it. But you would have to basically go to trading college like we did with poker.

[@GotoyourhomeBall]

Jungle I’m never folding, stop bluffing 😈

[@benzmane7564]

42:28 and then you're expected to throw in a tip

[@LeveragedFinance]

How much did coach charge in China

[@330miggs]

15" POKER HAAAAARRRRDDD

[@mckinleytinny]

@17:35 pause 💀

[@vincentaguirre1691]

@17:35

[@jj-se6ue]

Sure, Dan. I'm certain the Chinese government is trustworthy. LOL!!!

[@semirgj]

There’s never a 5/10 in tunica. Even when the WSOP shows up. It’s sad.

[@Optable]

1:03:29 brutal

[@robelyncooper4555]

I love that Jungleman is successful enough to be out of touch about how sh!tty it is to grind out 50K/year playing at low to mid stakes

[@fokana1]

Dan. You're awesome but you're way OUT OF TOUCH with how hard it is to make a good living playing poker for a living in 2024.... poker world changed alot past 20 years....

[@rawdogletard541]

Dan is falling asleep lol

[@briantortoriello1252]

Damn is a very smart person. Praising the Chinese government is plus ev

[@solomonleyva3046]

LA rake - 7/1

[@EfficientRVer]

It's fun seeing comments from people who have probably never left their state, much less their country, berating the observations of guys talking about places where they've not only traveled dozens of times, but have spent time earning a living. People living in their own little bubble, think their favorite TV station tells them everything they need to know about the world. OTOH, Dan being out of touch with the rake and drop in normal-stakes games, is also hilarious. Just another case of someone living in their own bubble. At least it sounds like Dan is going to check it out, and get back in touch with the system the produces the players, a few of whom will become the blood donors in the games he plays in himself.

[@user-js1lg2zd1f]

Lmao These guys freaking about $6 from the pot. Come to Ontario, Canada, where it's 10% Max $20 plus $1 for the bad beat jackpot...any stake

[@MistaMase102]

Anyone else feel like Dan was being condescending to Bart for alot of this interview? Dan seems like a douche

[@mikeprice5755]

I don’t think he’s being a douche, I think he’s completed detached from living in the real world 😂 I guarantee he has no idea how much it costs to run a household with kids, car, insurance, utilities etc. I really like him don’t get me wrong, I think you need to bear in mind that he’s almost certainly neurodivergent and hasn’t had to check his bank account in the last decade

[@Senorzilchnzero]

I like jungleman, big fan, but I remember seeing him in a jacket recently that had a red star/chinese star on it. So I'm NOT surprised one bit that he would defend a Chinese government. Im not sure why he's doing that but it makes sense.

[@johnhausmann2391]

martin killing?

[@harveybukhari]

I think this was a very disrespectful interview. You disagreed with everything your guest said and just wanted to prove him wrong. If you think you know better than your guest, why even have him on?

[@johnhausmann2391]

lol cates is so clueless about ordinary people. 53:00

[@darren4635]

is this the same Bart Hanson that has only $1M in winnings on Hendon Mob over the past 20 years??

[@bjornlangoren3002]

Xi Jinping has a completely different direction than the previous guy, and he has made moves to cling to power beyond the regular term. So not strange if billionaires try to get out.

[@thecake03]

When food costs, labor cost, minimum wage goes up business’ will push the cost onto customers with increased costs of goods. I’m in no way advocating for casinos, but it’s happened in all industry’s. You can’t go to Taco Bell and buy food for yourself for 10$ anymore

[@tommyfu9271]

I regret it every time but you absolutely can and that's in NYC.

[@winningsince1992]

5% box still exists

[@BasedDoggo]

Jungle man simping for the CCP is on par with what I would expect tbh

[@lance862]

LOL Daniel is a bit naive about the CCP... claiming it's not corrupt🤣😂😂

[@ralphieboy119]

To me, that sounded like he’s trying to stay in good graces. He travels there to play and maybe does business over there. When he repeated the phrase praising the CCP, I found it strange. Could be naïveté, but I felt like it could also be that it’s a business move

[@crypty9365]

Ur naive son, u never been to China but he has been there many times, who is the really naive one?

[@tommyfu9271]

He's not naive. He's playing the game. You're naive for not realizing it.

[@Young-ep8ik]

He’s not naive. The real naive guys are the people who believe CCP is 100% evil and can do nothing right. It’s never black and white in reality.

[@brianbixby2620]

Dan is smart he wants to continue to continue to make $$ in China, you have to speak favorably of the government and country…

[@markk9794]

Always surprised at young peoples' inability to articulate/converse/analyze politics. They completely lack any vocabulary, historical frameworks, etc. . . Thanks for explaining how the Chicom government is "doing the right thing", instead of those dastardly capitalists who make stuff, Dan. My sense is that Dan's moral framework is the same as most of his generation -- what's "good" is whatever advances their personal position.

[@AT-bw4cm]

Where there is power and money, there will be corruption. Better to keep government small and maximize freedom.

[@Boby-z1e]

🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@yws4645]

Jungle … you have way too much money to speak into a tin can microphone

[@andrewallin7856]

oh yea poker is a great substitute for playing golf. not

[@jambreakfast4341]

Congrats on ignorant comment of the day.

[@0x78a]

lots of gambling exploits.

[@shaneb6360]

Pretty much hijacked his whole podcast.

[@anthonywarfield7348]

Jungleman I don't know you but you look 'sick'. Just saying. I recognize cause I'm also 'sick'.

[@showandtellmusic]

😂 its the lighting

[@MazzaLou]

He always looks like that. 🙊

[@WasatchTraveler]

$6+1+1 in LA 💀

[@JKenny44]

How do you even beat $8 drop in 2/5 Play 10% vpip open to €30 and pray you get action with that 10% I guess

[@WasatchTraveler]

@@JKenny44 It's 5/5 but yes, lots of praying.

[@jessebooth2371]

You ever notice most the poker players they win millions apparently zoom in from the most basic apartments. Where are their waterfront mansions? Lol poker isn’t what people think it is

[@branchtana315]

Poker is one of the few professions where you have to pay to go to work. The bankroll requirements to play mid to high stakes daily and comfortably handle any potential swings can be massive. You can have what most people would consider a lot of money but have to live small because that money is required for work instead of being free to spend.

[@yekailun]

@@branchtana315 absolutely spot on

[@yekailun]

@@branchtana315 i played pro for a few years, middle stake (about 2/5USD to 5/10), i was able to run about 1k USD to 70k within half a year in China, its considered a very decent amount of money but i was very cautious spending that in daily life, the money needed to upkeep a healthy bankroll is so much, and as soon as you start to move up and experience a downswing, it could be very challenging both mentally and financially

[@DirtDegens]

grinding where ever the games are usually living in air bnbs, hotels

[@Acewingman11]

Every time I listen to Bart Hanson I can’t get over how much I think he’s a fraud. Sorry. Would be tough to convince me otherwise. Sitting here 15 minutes into this and he’s let Jungleman say 50 words trying to prove he’s a good teacher I guess. He probably can’t even beat 2/5.

[@MrDizew]

Listening to this guy is like listening to the typical live player, so funny

[@whirlingdervish69]

wtf r u talking about lol

[@jonnygrowlately]

*should totally do a video on the reasons why poker training sites and 3rd party software are **_ALL BAD_** for poker and the "poker community"*

[@oscarcastellanos9270]

This sucked