IF YOU'RE NOT VEGAN YOU SUPPORT... | CHANGE MY MIND

[@Paul-to6iw]

Let's give the guy some credit for sitting down and challenging his own beliefs.

[@brianna0854]

Paul W Challenging the societal conditioning ✌🏽

[@222Deima]

At least this was a very civil discussion, and he may not be vegan but maybe some seeds were planted

[@camcholette9392]

I thought he was very reasonable.

[@MrMking1991]

Nobody changes their mind on these deeply ingrained beliefs just like that. Lots of respect to him for discussing the issue.

[@sO_RoNerY]

Too bad he didn’t change Joey’s mind. But you have to know something. Ed and Joey know you can’t change their minds because they know people are brainwashed, we’re not carnivores/omnivores and animals are friendly helpless plant eating animals. Chickens are birds. There are wild birds that fly around. Why aren’t people taking their man-made guns and shooting birds that fly around above our heads? Why aren’t people killing seagulls? Or hummingbirds? They’re birds, too.

[@morphkogan8627]

He admitted multiple times that any compassionate person knows it's wrong and would have to change to be Vegan if they acknowledged within themselves. He knows Joey is right, but he doesn't want to admit to himself more then anything, because then he would have to change his comfortable lifestyle.

[@theveganuprise1342]

Morph Kogan exactly

[@80slimshadys]

Exactly +2

[@osilva2367]

He may think it's comfy... But the body, the environment, isn't "comfy" with human's being omnivorous on the massive commercial scale we've reached.😊☮

[@DeShark88]

Joey: Do you agree that if you eat animal products or use animal products then you support abuse? Him: No, no, I've, I've got to say no. Errm. Joey: For what reason? Him: Well I, because I think if you said yes to that argument, then you'd stop eating meat. 'Nuff said

[@DeShark88]

@No Name I don't think "tards" is going to work in your favour if you're trying to convert people to veganism. If you want to boast about how virtuous you are, then sure. But don't kid yourself.

[@StarcraftSwarm]

He basically agrees with you on everything but then says I can't really agree since I'd have to give up eating meat.

[@sarahharrison4780]

I think he understamds the logic but yet not feeling it. It sometimes takes time to get your head around the whole concept in 30 minute chat. Hat off to him for sitting down and chatting and being open to discussion

[@blab3481]

is being vegetarian not also good why do you have to be vegan can you explain to please.

[@youtubeanonymous8083]

Social conditioning is probably the hardest thing in the world to let go of! It's like you've been chained up since childhood to a certain pillar of beliefs and norms, but you take/consider that chain on your body to be a blessing and an integral part of you!

[@youtubeanonymous8083]

@@blab3481 It is because the dairy and egg industries inflict immense suffering upon cows/chickens as well. Cows are raped, kidnapped, enslaved and then sent to the slaughterhouse when they can no longer produce milk. Drinking an demanding an output of all that ugly suffering is not very different to eating meat. If you live in a country like India the dairy industry might be a little more merciful, but ultimately cows are still being exploited and commodified. I've been vegetarian since I was born due to my Indian cultural background - but just turned vegan last week after learning about how the Australian dairy industry treats cows. I was ignorant all this time about where my milk comes from - absolutely detached from the process.

[@blab3481]

@@youtubeanonymous8083 But is there companies that get milk from cows and eggs from animals that don't inflict immense pain on them.

[@nicholasbennett5396]

Plant based diet -> for health & environment Vegan -> for animals

[@ignacio2763]

I mean yeah I guess but veganism is even better for both health and environment because youre completely eliminating it. Foe example leather which isnt vegan but is plant based, still need the animal for the leather which does negatively affect the environment

[@pianovaroth7732]

Yeah I'd also put environment with veganism rather than a plant based diet for the above reasoning.

[@azoresplayah]

I concur - vegan for the animals indeed. Health & environment is the cherry on top; a side affect of being a compassionate & conscientious eater. Albeit, i however know a junk-head vegan or two who eat fried trash, sugary treats, & drink pernicious drugs such as alcohol. What’s more, they purchase plastic crap all day. 🍕 🍔🌮🌭🥨🥐🍟🍬🍫🍭🍮🍦🥧🍨🍰🍪🍩🍾🍹🍸🥃🍺🍻🥂🍷veganism does not connote being healthy. Amitābh

[@ReizenCreations]

Animal based Whole Foods: for health, the environment and wildlife Vegan: against the environment, health and animals

[@kroneexe]

gatekeeping this is.

[@nick_LDN]

Great message that is hard to argue with, and love your work Joey, more power to you.

[@Elijah_Everett]

To summarize this man´s statement: He agrees with everything Joey says but he likes eating meat, therefore the original statement MUST be false.

[@BakedTillCrisp]

He just can’t come to terms with his contradiction in beliefs. It’s just straight denialism.

[@galitjustme695]

It’s like saying “Rape is wrong but I enjoy having sex with women who don’t want it and didn’t agree to it, therefore rape is ok”.

[@mindful1044]

He’s intrigued by the vegans and he’s smart enough to know many of the negative aspects of meat. Plus his daughter is turning vegan, I think he’s half way there to see the light. I was worse than this guy and I’ve been vegan for almost 5 years now.

[@KatHood]

If we didn't fight it in the beginning, we wouldn't have been raised in western culture. We are so far removed from the food we eat, we actually believed the adverts in our environment telling us that happy cows make happy milk. $$$

[@KatHood]

@Metrix Cube We simply equate registering animal cruelty on a mass scale as "seeing the light" because turning a blind eye to it is truly living in the dark ages. Empathy is a powerful thing. Fairly recently we used to think of women as property as well and in some parts of the world that's still true. Much of that is fuelled by religious belief, blind faith. "Vegans" have looked at standard animal agricultural practices and said "f**k that!".

[@KatHood]

@Metrix Cube You make a good point about using products that exploit humans. I can think of clothing as a massive one, technology also. The sex trade. There are many trades that exploit people. One could argue that the whole 9 to 5 structure of working a full time job is also based on exploitation of human beings. There just is exploitation everywhere we turn, but if we aren't aware of it, that doesn't mean it's not happening. Once we become aware of something we have the opportunity to make a different choice. It takes time to unpick the reality we've all been brought up on and discover other alternatives. Animal agriculture is a hard one to avoid, but not impossible and so many people do what they can, when they can to make those changes. The same goes for any other industry. We are still in the thick of discovering the backend and exploitation level of many industries we've all taken for granted and new alternatives (good and bad) are showing up daily. It's a process for us all. Labelling people who are just trying to make a different choice, based on the information they have access to as "You Vegans" negates the humanity in all those doing their best. The Industrial Revolution was based on the exploitation of people, animals, land and sea to begin with. We are dealing with the consequences of that daily.

[@tyunstarrr]

What made u go vegan??

[@waywardwinchester]

Joey killing it humanely on the streets of London with unbeatable vegan logic

[@surfdawg7326]

Not really. I raise my own meat. They live a great life and I kill them instantly. Instant death is a gift. Every animal in the wild dies a horrible miserable death. Same for most humans. I do not contribute to factory farms. The only meat I eat is my own. They live a stress free life and get instant death. Joey cannot account for people like me. I also need a lot of calories. Only a balanced diet of meat and fruits and vegetables will sustain me. I'll never not eat meat.

[@marecwol8326]

Killing itself is an abuse!

[@surfdawg7326]

@@marecwol8326 death is life. Life and death are different sides of the same coin. We euthanize the animals we love. Is that cruelty. ? Veganism is a luxury of the 21st century. You guys have globalism importing vegetables and fruits that are not native. You rely on pharmaceutical companies and big government to keep you fed. You don't live in the real world. Once shit hits the fan are you going to survive on grass and brush...? I grow my own fruits vegetables and meat. I rely on no one.. must be nice living a life of luxury 🌹

[@marecwol8326]

@@surfdawg7326 Of course euthanasia is abuse. No meter how you kill and for what reason you kill - this is always abuse.

[@lisa-sz8jj]

@@surfdawg7326 this whole statement is wrong. A quick death is a gift? If I shot you while you were asleep, I highly doubt any one in their right mind would count swift murder as a blessing. And the meat you eat is not yours, unless you are hacking pieces of your own body off, the flesh you consume is that of another being. Also just because you won't stop eating animals yet doesn't mean that you can't.

[@donaldanderson6578]

University of London college just banned beef. Another domino has fallen, another victory for veganism!

[@trillshox2281]

Nothing to do with veganism tho if it was a victory for veganism they would ban all animal products

[@donaldanderson6578]

@@trillshox2281 So by your logic there's no progress unless the whole world go vegan in a nano-second? It's a gradual process but we'll get there eventually.

[@happygimp0]

Do you have a link for that?

[@wokeaf1337]

Brexit, Brexit !!! cmon just joking xD

[@trillshox2281]

@Sophia Ryan I'm saying the reason they did it is nothing to do with veganism or animal cruelty

[@FleurCoutureFloral]

Going around in circles...because there's no decent reason to not be vegan 🤷‍♀️

[@maiadraconica6488]

@@richiedaly87 no, it revolves around earth which is dying partially due to animal agriculture

[@Shad0wBl0wer]

@@richiedaly87 so? wtf is this comment?

[@Shad0wBl0wer]

@@richiedaly87 give me an example of a decent reason to not be vegan.

[@TheGentleCreeper1]

Richard Daly lol seems your “precious feelings” are showing 😂😂

[@mgmohagamer7685]

@@Shad0wBl0wer vegans talking about morality like people care that what he ment about precious feelings. I dont support all animal abuse and that's it.

[@koominion]

i kinda felt bad for the girl in the beginning, joey kinda just dismissed her haha😂

[@xandricoetzee6698]

Same!

[@stringbing97]

I feel bad too bc she seemed interested in the conversation! I think Joey should provide a space to sit and listen to the conversation and express that the convo is just between the person sitting with him, but also invite people to listen in nearby. Although I do see how it would make things a bit chaotic if a bunch of people were standing around the table. 🤷🏽‍♀️ Maybe he could put a sign up with his social handles and let people know they can listen to the convo there too!

[@crazyferretlady]

*She..???* I thought it was a dude.. 🙄

[@lindakehoe6195]

@@stringbing97 I agree. They way Joey dismissed her was cold and inconsiderate, and it's a public space.

[@car6697]

ya i felt bad for her too 😞 i was like dang Joey, that was kinda rude, it seems like she just wanted to listen in on the conversation, and maybe pitch in her thoughts every now and then. i don't think she would've been THAT distracting. i just came off one of Earthling Ed's videos and he practically HAPPILY WELCOMED a big group around to hear the meat eater vs vegan discussion

[@HunterBelkiran]

This guy contradicts himself every 30 seconds..

[@tamcon72]

Was anyone really surprised by this? As soon as Charles sat down I thought, "Let the goalpost moving commence!"

[@PeaceTexas_111]

Lmao hell yea..

[@Bloxeh]

and then "we are going in circles". anyway, good conversation overall, gave him maybe something to think on.

[@misshorrorgeek5326]

Ikr lol

[@IBCo.]

Yea i know right! This Joey guy can’t stop contradicting himself. Says it’s ok to eat a roadkill or dead pet. LOL going by his logic, it’s ok to to eat a dead orphan human child. His arguments are stupid at the very least. HAHAH

[@ONeill01]

This guy backtracks more than Michael Jackson moonwalks

[@justinberber9848]

The fact is, meat helps you obtain all essential and conditionally essential amino acids as well as a host of co-riding nutrients. And the broader the range of meats, fish and poultry you eat, the wider the range of nutrients you'll get. That goes for cuts and parts as well. Skin and marrow offer glycine. Organ meats offer bigger hauls of certain vitamins and minerals. The key to meat consumption? Go slow, bold and balanced. Not all protein is created equally. Protein is composed of up to 20 different amino acids. Every protein source contains some or all of those amino acids in different proportions, so each source of protein really is different. When we digest protein, what our bodies actually absorb and utilize are those amino acids. Each one plays a different role in the body, from building and repairing various tissues to performing vital metabolic processes, from acting as progenitor for essential compounds to regulating gene expression. We need amino acids to live. Animal-based protein contains adequate concentrations of all the essential amino acids.

[@jonjonwp]

@@justinberber9848 I haven't eaten an animal in 33 years. I'm fine , there is nothing magical in animal flesh. The only supplement you need is B12 . Animals can't make it themselves either, they get supplements too. The worlds largest health and nutrition orgs all say a plant based diet is healthy for all stages of life. Scientific fact.

[@shahnawazgilani8787]

@@jonjonwp ama

[@shahnawazgilani8787]

@@jonjonwp amazing story brother, I'm 2 year vegan, Hallelujah

[@jonjonwp]

@@shahnawazgilani8787 Well done brother 😘

[@starcatcher3691]

This guy doesnt understand starches and beans etc. He think we only eat vegetables. I wish that was mentioned

[@Angela-px4wc]

Yes, I have to correct people who think vegans live on carrot sticks! They have absolutely no idea how wonderfully varied and nutritious a vegan diet actually is lol.

[@alchemists4443]

He mentioned having a daughter? Or someone close to him being vegan How has he not seen the vast amount of vegan foods?

[@NowhereMan7]

He does understand it. He even said they have meat-free days at home so he will have some idea of the variety of non meat foods that exist. He was only saying "only vegetables" to help him justify in his head that its too big of a step to take by making it sound more radical than it is.

[@ReizenCreations]

You only eat sugar, carbs(break down into glucose), pesticides, anti nutrients and take supplements. Giving the fda money

[@cherylbush507]

@A. B Yup, they certainly are, clean out the gut and intestines and prevent cancer.

[@joylopez2735]

Yes-- standing in a slaughterhouse easily, quite easily, changes my mind about supporting the consumption of animals against their will to die.

[@Graceelizabeth]

I’m young, vegan & it is a great thing to be. But I didn’t jump on a trend. 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@Graceelizabeth]

Metrix Cube people shouldn’t ever leave being vegan, if they’ve learnt so much on what happens, I don’t know how they can physically go back!

[@Graceelizabeth]

Metrix Cube righhhht 🙄🥴

[@jamesbyrne3033]

You're right Grace, once you've learned what animal agriculture really involves it's very difficult to support it.

[@cordydc5557]

I've chosen to be vegan since I was 12...no one else in my school is Vegan and everyone is very against it and is always judging me....I don't see how people think it's a "trend" because the hardest part about being vegan is all the hate we receive!

[@pianovaroth7732]

@@cordydc5557 Precisely. I myself am part of quite a few minorities: I'm bi, I'm vegan, I'm ginger (and a few others that I'd rather not mention), all of which can be a source of hate, and I've noticed that most of the time trends come from the majorities, not the minorities. Veganism is definitely not a trend, it's a real solution to many issues: ethical, environmental, health and even humanitarian issues (who do you think work in slaughterhouses? Do you think they have a choice? Why is it that those people have the highest suicide rates?). Keep going and being who you are, together I really believe we can make change.

[@hematadopormenos]

That weird thing animal eaters do where they refuse to answer basic questions.

[@teambreezy9224]

Yes yes yes! Fkn true in my opinion.

[@tombradshaw1378]

And contradict whether it is animal abuse to kill or not

[@richardspry6501]

It's a hallmark of people who know they are in the wrong.

[@captaincolt1611]

So you’re saying 95% of the world can’t answer basic questions, that’s pretty radical and crazy.

[@captaincolt1611]

jay jay I assumed that, but I didn’t know for sure

[@jasonvorhees4906]

He seemed like a nice man... but an example of every day generic cognitive dissonance. A shame.

[@tamcon72]

It's the intelligent, nice people who cling to their cognitive dissonance no matter what that really stick in my craw. I mean, you're talking to someone who is a vegan and exists--and has intelligence and wit and good health--and you think it's not possible for you? Please.

[@AR-wj3tc]

Apple products are made in Chinese sweat shops, moral high ground denied.

[@jasonvorhees4906]

A R no they aren’t. And what’s that got to do with this? Classic thicko tactic. Something is bad? “Well yeah, but something else it bad too!” ... moral high-ground maintained.

[@youtubeanonymous8083]

Social conditioning is probably the hardest thing in the world to let go of! It's like you've been chained up since childhood to a certain pillar of beliefs and norms, but you take/consider that chain on your body to be a blessing and an integral part of you! That's why you will rarely see a converted -> vegan in any of these videos, even intelligent people tend to cling on to their cultural and social conditioning. It takes a lot of courage, openness and insight to convert

[@abes3925]

​@@youtubeanonymous8083 84% Of Vegans And Vegetarians go back to eating meat.

[@zaralunden3202]

I've been 100% Vegan for many years. I can hardly watch this, the carnist "reasoning" causes SO much anger in me. I watched it though, as I love the way JC has an answer for everything a Carnist can say about "loving" animals. These are answers we can all use. Thank you so much Joey C!

[@wayne9175]

I'll eat an extra steak in your name.

[@fasterfeather]

@@wayne9175 Proudly supports animal abuse.

[@alchemists4443]

Andrew Wilson Proudly supports animal abuse, (pass it on)

[@wayne9175]

@@alchemists4443 my health over an animals. Vegans hate people

[@KimiShokoupuffsss]

Nothing quite like a well seasoned steak

[@rayali6703]

“In an ideal world”, hear that a lot

[@sbeast64]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana_fallacy

[@araimm227]

Molson Muscle If there was no idea of ideal world slavery would’ve been legal now!

[@justinnamuco9096]

@Molson Muscle we've always improved things and never reached perfection. The problem with perfection is that it's impossible to attain because many things will conflict. Can you imagine all of your ancestors being vegan? Your kin probably would have ended hundreds of years ago.

[@coconutii]

When i first saw footage of the whole process of what those animals have to go through, i couldn't watch all of it and i went 100% vegan straight away. I really don't understand why people wouldn't want to change and they continue to contribute towards the cruelty ... i will never understand. It hurts.

[@karos108]

@ because some people are pure evil and simply stupid ! And selfish! And slaves of their own taste buds...

[@surfdawg7326]

Not everyone eats factory farm meat. I like how vegans think everyone eats factory farm meat. There is no other source of meat

[@frostcf1706]

@@surfdawg7326 Well how else are you supposed to feed the entire population then? Because grass fed meat is waaaaay less sustainable and more land consuming than factory farmed meat, you'd basically have to turn entire cities into farmlands in order to even try feeding all the hungry people grass fed meat. By the way, even though we use all of this land and have all these factories producing animal products there are approximately 800 million people who still suffer from chronic hunger. With all the crops we feed to the animals, we could easily feed more than 10 billion humans sustainably.

[@surfdawg7326]

I don't understand what you are saying. One line you say factory farms are needed to feed the population. Then in the next you say going vegan can feed everyone. I don't know about the rest of the planet, just like everyone else. But I do know that the open range grass fed beef is 100 % symbiotic with the environment. The perennial grass lands within the forest are in need of grazing and cattle keep the seeds fertilized and healthy. NOT everyone eats factory farm meat. Death is apart of life. You can't have one without the other. Vegans are Hippocrates. You cannot live in this society without being a cancer to this planet!

[@frostcf1706]

@@surfdawg7326 I'm saying that grass fed meat can only feed a small number of humans. So with your logic we should stop factory farmed meat and only let a select few eat meat while other humans eat other stuff. You get what I'm saying? It is mathematically impossible to feed the entire population grass fed meat without wiping out forests and cities in the process. So basically the only way to feed the entire population animal products is to produce factory farmed meat, and even if we do that like we do right now we still have around 800 million people starving to death. I didn't even mention that meat and animal products cause heart disease, cancer and a bunch of other killers of humans all over the western world. So it would be very self destructive to mass produce animal products and spend a very large amount of our resources, just to eat the animals and fuck up our health. Meanwhile if we use the crops we feed to the animals we could easily feed everyone without the adverse health effects of animal products. Animals eat a lot more than humans and in order to feed these animals we have to destroy rainforests and natural habitats to turn them into farmlands. It's just a very stupid dynamic and we should start working in a more efficient way or else the planet will not take much more of this.

[@animalsarebeautifulpeople3094]

He is SOOOOO confused bc he has already decided that he will never go vegan but all his arguments for not going vegan fall flat 🤔

[@MadeInManny0161]

I'll never go vegan ...it will make you weak if it don't make you sick.

[@LosgehtsFCB]

@@MadeInManny0161 Where's your proof of that?

[@MadeInManny0161]

freelee the banana girl is proof...she looks ill, too thin& coarse

[@LosgehtsFCB]

@@MadeInManny0161 Anecdotal claims mean jack shit lmao

[@broccoliboiii7532]

@@MadeInManny0161 "One girl I know is thin therefore veganism is bad." Your statement is absolutely moronic.

[@rockytheonly7542]

Looking like you are changing his mind more than u let him change your mind.

[@orrinwells6571]

Rocky Kwok exactly. lol he’s not that smart. especially his analogy with domestic violence and animal cruelty.

[@ThePapabear]

That guy go so many conflicts ... he's in total denial.

[@MadeInManny0161]

I'm a meat eater & this older guy is talking total sense.

[@nadiaappiah5313]

He is your average and typical pompous contradictory hypocritical flesh eater. They will not and can not accept that killing/murdering of animals to make biscuits cakes sweets ice cream ect is just wrong. When we talk about flesh eaters using the correct language is important. To look at one self and admit you are an animal abuser is hard and most people just don’t want to do that. Because then they would have to change.

[@AR-wj3tc]

Like buying an Apple laptop which is made in a Chinese sweat shop then claiming the moral high ground.

[@nadiaappiah5313]

A R Yes, murdering animals is just like that. 🙄 Transference much?

[@carinaekstrom1]

@@nadiaappiah5313 Oh, but not in an "ideal world". And they call vegans unrealistic!

[@Rescue127]

Thank you Joey for speaking up for the voiceless.

[@markblewden6188]

The reality is so bad that people like him just don’t believe it. Somehow we need to find how to make them stop rejecting the truth just because it is way worse than they could imagine.

[@tamcon72]

You make a good point.

[@gracepearson5905]

I don’t think there’s necessarily a magic solution, I think persistence is a good thing, he himself said if he had to witness the animal abuse footage every time before he was about to eat meat, he wouldn’t eat it. I think calm discussion, getting people to open up and challenge their belief system is the best way. Also on persistence, Anthony Magnabosco who has the channel Street Epistemology (where he asks people questions to get them to try to rationalise their own beliefs) likes to have three discussions with people on separate days, it gives people a chance to step away and think about what they’ve heard (he also keeps discussions relatively short). I think it also has to be considered that people are different and are convinced by different things. Even though I think most people would be convinced by the morality argument eventually, it may be faster and more efficient to use different arguments such as the environment, pandemics, health, and just generally showing people that vegan food can taste good, even though the core of veganism rests in animal rights. Of course some people witness footage of slaughterhouses etc and go vegan straight away so this is important but with others there are cognitive barriers that enable us to continue buying animal products

[@christianvetter2906]

He had some valid arguments. I grew up in a village and got involved in animal butchering when I was 6 or even younger. Slaughterhouse images did not impress me back then. I had seen those things many many times at home. They were normal. And animals were commodities, not more. I would have been him, 5-10 years ago. It needed environmental arguments to slowly bring me down towards flexitarianism before I even started to honestly listen to ethical arguments. After that, a single talk by Gary Yourofsky was enough to flick the switch in my brain.

[@wokeaf1337]

We have a similar history, i also wanted to go vegan because of environmental arguments but I discovered insects as an alternative food source and they are even more environmentally friendly than growing nuts/avocados for example and they contain the whole vitamin profile even vitamin C also no need to supplement vitamin D, B12... already 100g of insects covers everything an adult needs but they are a bit expensive atm because of the indoctrination of the western society.

[@punson2220]

It's different for everybody! Not everyone works in a slaughterhouse neither sees animal abuse pics regularly.. I turned vegan because of animal abuse and videos! You can't say you shouldn't do this or you shouldn't do that. You can have different arguments! And doesn't matter how they start, eventually they cover all logic!

[@maiadraconica6488]

@@wokeaf1337 tofu is a complete protein

[@christianvetter2906]

@@punson2220, you are right. Everybody is different. And that is why, in my opinion, we have to diversify our approaches to convince people to become vegan. 75% of all vegans are women. And I think this has to do with emotions that come up when seeing what is actually going on in a slaughterhouse. A lot of men (me included before I became vegan) can look at those pictures and don't feel a thing. With my friends, who are mostly scientists, ethical discussions hardly work. They understand the arguments but they are not altruistic enough to take action. Global warming, deforestation, and spread of antibiotic-resistant bacteria, however, can be measured and affects them (and their children) as well. By telling them: "Look, those are the facts and this must be done.", it is way easier to reach them. I often add: "If you calculated your setup needs a 100mm lens, you use a 100mm lens." followed by "We have calculated the per-person meat consumption must go down below that of India. So why do you eat more?". That typically triggers something :-). Once people are down to one piece of meat a week, they become way more open to giving it up completely. Because they learn that they don't need it at all. Moreover, by telling them that they don't have to give it up right away, they are more likely to give it a try in the first place.

[@maiadraconica6488]

@@gy5rffg5rf butchering billions of animals for no reason is triggering as fuck. You might not think so but that's fucking life, its life that feels and it's being extinguished in horrid ways cause "muh bacon"

[@ASMRyouVEGANyet]

Mental gymnastics are so much fun 🤸‍♂️

[@tombradshaw1378]

Running around in circles and occasionally turning around is hardly gymnastics but yeah

[@whyarewestillherejusttosuffer]

@@addendum7775 because humans are better than nature we are god on earth.We don't need to take a animals life to live.

[@theveganwujeeta]

You heard it here folks, magazines have more medical information than one of the largest dietary organizations.

[@melissacondon]

*"It's just not enough."* Okay. So what WILL be enough? What will finally be enough to wake people up to the reality of what meat and dairy industries are doing to animals, the planet, and our health? 💔

[@Shad0wBl0wer]

@@richiedaly87 So what WILL help?

[@Shad0wBl0wer]

@@richiedaly87 What constitutes as whining for you?

[@ASMRyouVEGANyet]

I constantly ask my friends this question. There is so much NEW undercover footage that comes out almost weekly and people still find ways to justify animal abuse. Sick.

[@ASMRyouVEGANyet]

@@Shad0wBl0wer just speaking up and exposing the truth is now considered whinging.

[@Mr.Rude.]

@@richiedaly87 It's immoral Nazism to emphasize with or afford moral consideration to all sentient beings. Who'd have thunk it? Where'd you get that insight from buddy?

[@gmurph]

gotta love those who can't lift up their sunglasses for fear of the ever so simple power of eye contact and the connections that can occur in such moments

[@LouisGedo]

*Create a Better World by.......Going and Staying healthy and VEGAN*

[@paulaslife3781]

How can you eat meat knowing it trebled, and screamed, trying to get away to live in peace. And that was after a hell hole factory ?????? The mind boggles😤😤😤😤

[@tomsmith9173]

The same way you can use computer products made by exploited vulnerable people.

[@paulaslife3781]

Tom Smith yes but vegans will can give all that up.. And will you watch this space☝️ it's murder first ☝️ were not selfish enough to say oh no I need my computers we will demand it done the right way. Peace begins on our plates... First things first. You've no idea, what's coming, if you attended the vegan work shops or marches, you'd be well informed.. We want a world where nobody is exploited used and abused or even murdered. We won women's rights and were told don't be ridiculous, we won slavery and were told don't be ridiculous, blacks will always be slaves nothing more. So you've no idea what's to come wether you like it or not. Computers etc will follow. Check us out go to the meetings if you have any compassion about even computers etc it's all linked.

[@paulaslife3781]

Metrix Cube correct people who love murder don't see them as anything.. Talk to death row inmates

[@tomsmith9173]

@@paulaslife3781 Your morals don't make you a better person.

[@paulaslife3781]

Tom Smith everybody has a moral obligation to go VEGAN.

[@nickthorne5872]

How does he not feel the hypocrisy in his own words and come to a revelation?

[@peteglanton9259]

Because he’s selfish and weak.

[@XXIIXIIIXXXIXXXIX]

I COMPLETELY see the analogy....and it's morally accurate. Dude made his own circle, and you dunked in it LOL. Love this format BTW.

[@petalsforarmor106]

You can tell he's stuck on the taste of meat, he realizes how contradictory he's being but he needs the question what is worth more, taste or life?

[@leangroundbeef2322]

taste. sorry.

[@maxime9006]

alicia aligned taste

[@liamc1102]

That's not it.

[@RoseRocket]

Life

[@veganfortheanimals6994]

Love this format Joey! Do more.....

[@80slimshadys]

You cannot say you are against abuse when you pay for it daily, plain and simple, no if and or buts. It is what it is, if you got a problem with that then go vegan, simple as that. It IS what it IS.

[@willferrellagain]

Can't argue with that logic

[@AR-wj3tc]

Apple products are made in Chinese sweat shops moral high ground denied.

[@blab3481]

is being vegetarian not also good why do you have to be vegan can you explain to please.

[@80slimshadys]

@@blab3481 if you want to fully understand and are interested in learning then head straight to "The greatest speech you will ever hear" by Gary Yurofsky and or the "Earthlings" documentary both on youtube. They both explain each other

[@liamc1102]

Yes you can, he just did.

[@danielbutler1661]

I’m not vegan just came to watch the video. I hope everyone can take there hats of to the man who sat down and had a respectful conversation. Obviously everyone has a different view on topics like this but I think it takes a lot to sit and have a honest and respectful debate!

[@TheAlexn03]

Cognitive Dissonance at its finest!

[@AR-wj3tc]

No but if you buy Apple products you support of humans.

[@fredthegamerschrarder7716]

Diana Sands 😂 you sound like my friend straight conspiracy theories.

[@mags4867]

Even though he denied every argument you had you still managed to plant a seed in the end - great work joey! Always learning something for my own activism from you!

[@osilva2367]

I love your videos! I've been vegan at least 50 years. I was my parents worst nightmare. And I now my baby sister (31 years old) has now been vegan for 1year. Anyway, I love your videos and will spread the link far and wide! Thank you for all you do😊 Blessings Olaina

[@osilva2367]

@Hummus Cake Hi there! Sorry for late response. I was 4 or 5. It was common sense to me that since humans are the only mammals that keep drinking milk after weaning that something was wrong. I've never had a vitamin problem except now D3, so I make a point of 10-15 min sun in the am. No more problem.

[@osilva2367]

@Hummus Cake The smell and taste of animal flesh was always disgusting to me. To eat an animal was so barbaric to me. Anyway sorry for delay. Blessings

[@Orclin]

Really great conversation! I hope there is much more of that!

[@alx4animalss]

beautiful work, Joey!!! working for justice!

[@roku3216]

The disconnect often seems to come from people not perceiving the difference between "supporting" and "liking".

[@wendywitchner7401]

I’m 62 and somehow survived without steak and a bacon cheeseburger for over 43 years😱I’m also the same lean muscular body weight as my twenties. Humans need to evolve beyond their cultural conditioning that we cannot be healthy without meat😩🤦‍♀️🧐. Wendy Walton - Vegan 🌱💪🏼 for decades!!

[@HunterBelkiran]

NICE!!! I admire you

[@fatboyinc.4041]

Good job m8👍

[@aleksandralempart8305]

Well done

[@SashasSketches]

@Cezarr and my Parents. Lol

[@gwenthomassss]

@Cezarr My fathers 63 and he uses emojis......

[@savyluvspie]

This was one of the best interviews/conversations I've ever seen. Man in the video, if you're watching this. You DON'T have to feel guilt! You can STOP eating animals and STOP contributing to their slaughter! Go Vegan and you can STILL have those same tastes! You can do it! We believe in you!

[@veganfortheanimals6994]

Piers Morgan's brother, a bit more toned down though

[@ASMRyouVEGANyet]

😆😆

[@Stacey_Hunter]

@vegan for the animals yip hes the real baby cows bro

[@jayaz9113]

Cant compare this guy with Piers Morgan mate. That was a decent conversation and he was quite open minded to it. It is not easy to expose your beliefs like that and we’ve all been there one day.

[@misshorrorgeek5326]

Love it lol

[@keithh23]

When you have to change the argument to not admit that your wrong, then you're wrong and not admiting it.

[@Kacusahuwa]

Can't unsee the reflection in his glasses looking like weirdo eyes.

[@madumaiaa]

Dan OMG YES AHHHAHHHHAHAHAHHA

[@lynnwiltshire6220]

This guy is totally disconnected he hasn’t got a clue.

[@morphkogan8627]

@Leo Georges good argument

[@brianna0854]

Leo Georges lol i think they meant the pink shirt dude

[@scaryjerryofmerrykerriemay2727]

I think he does have a clue but he is choosing to let his addiction do the talking.

[@jayaz9113]

Lynn Wiltshire we have all been there. Don’t forget that.

[@araimm227]

Lynn Wiltshire most of them don’t because most of them has not researched enough or didn’t care! None of us are well educated on this subject!

[@melissacondon]

The cognitive dissonance is so strong.....💔

[@ReizenCreations]

Addendum Designs nope

[@ReizenCreations]

I know it’s so sad these vegans don’t know what they’re saying

[@AR-wj3tc]

Apple products are made in Chinese sweat shops moral high ground denied.

[@melissacondon]

Thank you for sharing, Joey. 💕

[@gshokri6935]

Joey. You are amazing. This is so perfect. Thank you for spreading the truth.

[@sciencelad8286]

Cognitive dissonance at its finest. That’s the stuff sociopaths are made of.

[@Lucky-nt7mg]

Trust me, with every generation our world will become more and more vegan. Maybe older people will not give up on meat etc., but the youth of today has already a different mindset.

[@Lucky-nt7mg]

@Molson Muscle That's wonderful, but not the majority. And I didn't say that old people can't change (my family turned vegan too :), but the statistics say otherwise.

[@dragonskylords9032]

@Molson Muscle Exactly. I find this attitude towards the elderly to be unpleasantly ageist and really not much different than speciesism. Where are these "statistics" from, the meat dairy egg industries? I find a lot of elderly people are quite openminded. Those prejudiced against the elderly will learn one day they too will grow old.

[@XTheCrystalBeastGuyX]

Not likely when there are more ex vegans than there are vegans. Most that convert drop the diet in less than a year. And to youth it's just a fad most of the time and for them they're susceptible to trying new things but if they don't like it, they go back to what they're used to.

[@maxkitzmuller4984]

Nah it's just a shitty trend that comes and goes like every other

[@alchemists4443]

XTheCrystalBeastGuyX sometimes, people who drop veganism did not understand veganism in the first place, maybe they did it solely for health? But I’m sure if they saw the harm the animals went through and the effect on the environment they would still be vegan. Especially kids and teens these days, we need to save the planet and they know that. News is getting around that eating meat is unsustainable and I’m sure many people will change because of that. (It’s like the whole save the turtles thing lol)

[@pawelzawislak1671]

This guy is in a deep denial. He knows he's lacking logic in his statements, but there's no way to he's going to admit it.

[@Human_Herbivore]

I wonder what would be the response if people were told that all the meat they ate came from such sick animals that they had to be euthanized. This idea of a peaceful death for nothing is so ridiculous.

[@benediktk.8228]

i really like your straight forward approach. No useless talk about somewhat related topics or sugar coating anything.

[@sherifor3220]

JOEY CARBSTRONG IS SO AWESOME Im IN AWE.

[@syltmackaalexandus4998]

Ty for showing those video it chance me

[@syltmackaalexandus4998]

Im vegan know

[@_observer796]

@@syltmackaalexandus4998 nice!

[@dailymotivtion]

@@syltmackaalexandus4998 Join the 22 days challenge on facebook...they help you what to eat for 22 days

[@morphkogan8627]

That's awesome

[@donaldanderson6578]

Fantastic!

[@missapippin9020]

What a brilliant interview Joey. So respectful. I am vegan of course and I take no supplements whatsoever for my diet. Joey the truth just flows so naturally from your heart, you are so compassionate, respectful, sincere in the way you converse with people. You do not criticise them or belittle them you respect their point of view even though you don't agree with it and you actively get your message of compassion, morality and values across to them. Love and respect to you Joey always

[@melissacondon]

If ~~EvErYoNe Is AgAiNsT aBuSe~~(including meat eaters being "against animal abuse") then why is the abuse happening still? Because supply and demand require that animals be exploited. Unless people start eating in line with their true values, this system can't change. It's so frustrating to see him talk about "raising sheep until the end of their natural lives and then eating them" like....that isn't where his meat comes from, so what is his point?

[@7drunkenmermaids431]

As I adore joey and all he does, I agree with this man that he shouldn't negate the climate change issue of the movement. Not everyone will resonate with the ethical part but just may resonate with the environmental part. I started with the environmental part then learned about the ethics and it made me more staunch in my stance. We need to be able to reach them where they're at. If it ethical, go with it. If it's environmental, go with it. There's no argument either way.

[@TheParadigmShiftTV]

Much respect from Vancouver! Glad I found your channel

[@TranceHeed]

He just can’t admit that he has no argument.

[@susanfabrican2244]

Love this guy’s thoughtfulness and composure. Hope his talk with Joey and his daughter’s influence helps him #GoVegan. 🌱❤️🐾🌏

[@raygensaunders-johnson24]

Hey Joey! We met yesterday at the march, and you’re such a lovely person. I’m so proud of how far you’ve come and how much you’ve grown from your dark past. Keep up the amazing activism, and keep planting those vegan seeds! Love you man. Go vegan for the animals!🌱

[@jacksondowner]

Do more of these brother!🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@mrSam3ooo]

This would have been a great guest for Ed. He’s the type of guy who needs someone to ask him calm and rational questions so he can answer them for himself

[@notme5744]

Yeah, I love Joey, but I think he could have handled things a bit better with this guy. Perhaps Ed could have answered his questions a bit better and maybe even convince him

[@mrSam3ooo]

@@notme5744 I think he could have, would've been a really interesting conversation

[@pianovaroth7732]

I walked past your table on the day, wish I had time to stop and chat :/ Keep up the great work!

[@MarkCodesSites]

Joey you are really good at these talking points. I really appreciate what you do. 2.5 years vegan. Fasting and veganism allowed me to lose 140 pounds and get my life back.

[@marks-0-0]

Well done to him for discussing the subject at least. Think I agree with him about advocates bringing health and the environment into the discussion more too. If people REALLY understood how unhealthy meat and dairy is they might go Vegan. Can you imagine if processed meat products had Class 1 Casinagen written on the packaging!!! I went plant based to avoid future health issues but I'm now much more caring about animal welfare ☺

[@tvinlingr6011]

What is so unhealthy about meat and dairy exactly? Is it omega-fatty acids, which are crucial substances for the devolpment of the brain, and which are only found in animal products? Are we talking B12 and other B-vitamins, or perhaps Vitamin D, or Vitamin A, who are also non-existent in any plant-based food? Even for the Vitamins that are present in plant food, such as E and K, these are only possible for the body to consume if they are soluable in fat, which isn't a gurantee for nearly all plant products. You also have to take into account other nutrients, such as minerals for example, who are found to be in much bigger quantities in meat than in vegetables or fruit (sometimes you can't even absorb the minerals found in these plants, due to toxic substances like Oxalic acid, Phytic acid and Tannins, who are effectively mineral-magnets). Im sorry, but the body needs meat, regardless how horrible you think the killing of animals is (I do not support the raising of animals in the manner done by the meat industry, I support local farming)

[@plantsforlife1120]

Excellent work Joey!!!

[@sbeast64]

Carnism decreases IQ. Change my mind.

[@80slimshadys]

7:23 Well there you go, end of discussion, done and dusted. Everything else from here would be intellectually dishonest, inconsistent and a contradiction

[@willferrellagain]

He kept contradicting himself left right and centre after that

[@dyanankrett]

I am vegan and also love Joey's vids but I think it was rude to send the young woman away at the beginning of the vid.

[@minimalchill]

I was wondering if he was gonna say anything. I think he was trying to avoid it becoming a three way conversation when his set up was meant to only support a one on one debate, which is the entire point of these table set ups. Nothing wrong with being asked to give space and taking turns. She can watch on here as we all can. :)

[@ImproveYourMagic]

I will give Joey a pass. The guy has a ton of experience. He had been waiting a while and wanted to have a intimate conversation so that the guy could relax and speak openly, (which did happen). Joey prevented a small group of strangers from forming and ganging up on him like some of HUMANE HANCOCK video’s, spinning into chaos. I’m sure Joey will post the video of the woman who waited patiently. Joey just could have smiled a little more when he asked her to wait her turn to prevent sounding curt. (Btw, I do give Humane Hancock huge props for posting the Chaotic situations he has found himself in).

[@DeShark88]

​@@ImproveYourMagic In his defense, I think the curtness is just a cultural difference. If you've spent any time in Australia, it's quite common. While brits might think it's rude, aussies tend to see it as "if you've not said anything offensive, then it's not offensive". He had his reasons as you've pointed out, and if she'd pressed the matter, he could have elaborated on his position. Maybe he should have, but it wasn't really necessary.

[@SamyakJainMusician]

11:40 ED EARTHLING is right behind...13:27 ED leaves.

[@SamyakJainMusician]

@Mark Anthony i know just kidding bro

[@LB-W]

Respect to the intelligent guy who sat down and gave a great account of himself. You can see the penny dropping as the conversation unfolds.

[@stopreportingmyplaylists6536]

when i took my cat to the vet she cried her eyes,made tears she didnt know why she was there but i comforted her when i saw a video of 2 cows baby ones being rescued one shook all over cuddled its friend unitil they realised they were safe the other baby had cuddles in the car when they got to their forever farm they knew they were safe and bounched around running so very happy they came up to thier rescuers for cuddles

[@Vegan-dm1xx]

Oh okay there it is. He was curious about the topic, because his daughter is converting to Veganism. He wants to be more informed. You did awesome as usual Joey.

[@marje8249]

He just shrugs it all off 🙁.... I hope he looks at this and sees his lack of compassion. Too late for him tho’ it will be the younger generation who take this forward

[@MadeInManny0161]

I'm young & I'm with the older dude.. vegans are brainwashed..!!!

[@WhimsicalWonderz]

@@MadeInManny0161 very sorry to disappoint you, but looking at facts and what happens is the opposite of brainwashing

[@MadeInManny0161]

@@WhimsicalWonderz Tell that to Sv3rige...Good luck..!!! Lol

[@melissacondon]

If you are against animal cruelty, you absolutely should go vegan! Do everything that is possible and practicable to reduce animal suffering and exploitation.

[@frankchen4229]

Meshari only ethical source is synthetic.

[@melissacondon]

@Meshari Nothing ethical is ever happening inside a slaughterhouse

[@Situayo]

Ethically slaughtered is an oxymoron.

[@Shad0wBl0wer]

@Meshari You can't needlessly kill a living, sentient being ethically.

[@Shad0wBl0wer]

@@frankchen4229 The process of producing synthetic meat is still not vegan.

[@matthewvasinko1899]

you're the man Joey, thank you for everything. i greatly admire the merciless attitude towards people's rationalizations!

[@god8020]

Yes we can all SAY we're against anything. It doesn't mean anything in reality, you have to act. I like the fact that in one point he criticises society as a whole about turning away their eyes. And then he is going to simply ignore all that and also turn his eyes away.

[@FamilyFreedom]

Amazing, and quite amusing too. Now take that guy's advice and be vegan, or something . . . . . 😂

[@IncDrop]

This guy is basically saying: "I'm against domestic violence. I hit my wife everyday. Look, I don't consider beating my wife domestic violence, so I'm not supporting it". You can say whatever you want, but your perspective doesn't change facts. I can't say I don't think gravity is real and then just fly away.

[@llllPatrickllll]

That's a flawed analogy tho, beating ur wife is a direct act of violence,very different from going to the supermarket and buying meat.

[@IncDrop]

@@llllPatrickllll how is indirect? You're buying its corpse. You might be on a different place chronologically speaking, but it's still very direct.

[@llllPatrickllll]

@@IncDrop someone else is comiting the act of violence for you, that's the difference.

[@IncDrop]

@@llllPatrickllll the problem remains the same. The disconnection between what you say and what you do. Paying the hitman is as violent as performing the killing.

[@jakedickson2311]

@@IncDrop Paying a hitman is not as violent as the killing, because you didn’t do it yourself. It’s not on the same scale.

[@willferrellagain]

Nice work Joey. Keep proding peoples beliefs

[@xyldes926]

On point every time Joey! I can't believe how you keep calm, I'm annoyed and irritated just looking at this. But I'm working on talking to people who just doesn't understand. Great work!

[@acousticfarms4266]

Then look in the mirror and talk to yourself. You crazy for not eating meat. Don't just ask me. You can ask the majority of free thinkers on any continent.

[@georgewood2234]

Can we all appreciate the guy who picked up the balloon for the chap in the wheelchair

[@jhunt5578]

Killing the planet, killing animals and killing yourself... "I don't think it'll change me if I'm honest". FFS grow a spine mate.

[@jhunt5578]

@Metrix Cube The logical conclusion is Veganism. For anyone with a brain or an ounce of moral fiber.

[@frostcf1706]

@Metrix Cube bullshit

[@elisehastings6471]

Metrix Cube If you don’t mind can you please prove this ? Where’s the evidence ? Can I interested you in research and evidence to suggest that meat and other animal products contribute to a variety of chronic illnesses such as cancer and heart disease ?

[@Obergeniesser]

"I aM aGaInSt AnImAl CrUeLtY" - but he is to lazy to give up his habit to eat meat. People don't even realize how ridiculous they are defending there points....

[@tvinlingr6011]

We all agree that unnecessary animal suffering that occurs on on animal farms is a bad thing, however it cannot be said that preying and killing of animals in general is an unnatural process. Yes, in Nature, there is actually this thing called exploitation; you have birds eating worms, wolfs hunting deer, fish eating insects, hell, even plants make use of eachother. It is a NATURAL process, which ensures balance and stability for all species. So are you implying that we should stop all of these animals from eating meat altogether? If humans should stop consuming animal products, why stop with them, why not all carnivorious creatures?

[@beans9298]

I didnt go vegan for health reasons.

[@AphroditesMUA]

Joeyyyyyy you did so well keeping calm, this guy tried hard to justify himself but he really couldn't. His back and forth shows his train of thought. Uff couldn't help but shout at the screen!

[@suave_nation3317]

Joey's main argument is if you live your life, you're a dick. The reason he said he wouldn't see the animals before they're killed is it would be sad. BECAUSE HE DOESN'T LIKE TO ABUSE ANIMALS.

[@theonoi2908]

guy: humane conditions, humane slaughter joey: can you paint the picture? also guy: no, i am not an expert joey: (shows footage of standard practices) guy: ok this is abuse and supply and demand create this. also guy: i eat meat and demand this but I don't contribute to this what in the flying fuck??? this guy is delusional...

[@stanleybetts123]

Love what your doing Joey, but I found you were slightly aggressive near the beginning.

[@melissacondon]

*The Future is Vegan.*

[@XTheCrystalBeastGuyX]

*A vegan future is a logical fallacy.*

[@melissacondon]

@@XTheCrystalBeastGuyX The U.N. just released a report on climate change that indicates that a vegan/plant-based diet has far better outcomes for sustainability moving into the future.

[@taelor56]

Keto is the past and will be the future

[@wayne9175]

My future is grass fed beef with melted ghee.

[@melissacondon]

@@wayne9175 Your future sounds....very likely to lead you to heart disease. But okay, fam.

[@joeschultz6331]

Well done Joey, you managed to stay calm, on topic and logical. Please do more of this approach, I believe it’s beneficial. Keep up the good work ✌️🌱

[@darlingmylove3707]

Good for his daughter! she is smart and intelligent to become a vegan. Choosing non killing and standing up against animal torture.