If You Think The New Defender Isn’t An Off-Roader Watch It Take On The New V8 Jeep Wrangler

[@Frank-sy3li]

Always like waking up to a new video in a Saturday morning!

[@5amH45lam]

I like the smell of napalm.

[@Caboose575]

Y'all really need to get the 2 door models of the jeep, defender, and bronco. Take them out on a weekend. And really show us what the best off roaders can do.

[@jestiaj1593]

Yes

[@wow956]

Only problem if you want the 392 in the jeep, you have to get the 4 doors. So you would have to go down to one of the other 4 engine options.

[@theldaniel170]

​@@wow956 The world may never know! The upcoming Defender V8 vs Wrangler 392 vs hypothetical V8 Bronco would be a dope comparison.

[@Ihateironyanddumbusernames]

@@stldweller said the soccer mom. 2 doors jeeps are great if you value offroading the most in your vehicle.

[@lanceripplinger8352]

So cool seeing these comparisons. The Defender never ceases to impress with its "terrain management" system. I wish we could see the 2 door Defender in action now.

[@dave20thmay]

To me, I thought the Wrangler was shaking them about more. So wonder if the Defender is more comfortable?

[@rgs455atw]

Can't wait for the 3 way review between the Wrangler, Defender and Bronco.

[@liftman3334]

3 way🤓

[@richfarfugnuven6308]

@@liftman3334 ya boy...

[@mandoesgameing8127]

5* way 4runner and gladiator

[@liftman3334]

@@mandoesgameing8127 if we bring a gladiator we have to include a canoe. (Same brake over angle)

[@obZidianZ06]

Bronco??? Lol ..

[@mpeugeot]

In all fairness the Land Rover traction control with the open diffs is pretty slick actually.

[@bradh6185]

I have to say, you guys are making some great videos lately. I was here in 2016 while car shopping and I was annoyed at the over-production of the videos. I'm back, researching for my first overland rig. The production/editing is so much more balanced now. The dad/son dynamic is great. Bringing on Tommy was a great move. And you guys are having more fun than ever. Keep up the good work!

[@EricFortuneJr.]

I can hardly wait to see a Bronco and Defender comparison. Mainly just curious to see the capabilities of the Ford Bronco.

[@aron6998]

Watch LiteBrite channel they just featured the Bronco on some real rocks in Moab

[@zeke7142003]

@@aron6998 The Bronco did very well.

[@phasechange5053]

Does it matter? all the broncos I've seen look like crap. I was a huge fan of the bronco growing up my uncle always had a primo bronco , these bronco's look so weird

[@EricFortuneJr.]

@@phasechange5053 La beauté est dans l'oeil de celui qui regarde

[@jamesbrewer5925]

That would be a closer apples to apples comparison....

[@Bannedone3ice]

Production quality getting better by the day. Congrats on a million subs guys !!

[@Douganchesner]

I just towed a 7k lb trailer from Seattle to Atlanta in my 2021 Defender. Couldn’t have done that with the Jeep. And before the paid comments about reliability from Toyota and Jeep trolls it had no issues minus a window rock ding.

[@eriklee1264]

🤔 although it's rated for 7000lb, just 10% tongue weight (700lb) ... you must have done the trip solo or you loaded the heaviest items behind the axles.

[@Douganchesner]

Erik Lee it’s rated for 8200 lbs actually. The tongue weight limit is a uk thing and is less detrimental than that limit would imply. I towed a 6k lb airstream with my LR3 with way above the tongue limit although somewhat mitigated with a weight distribution hitch w/ no issues. On this trip I also had several hundred pounds of housing stuff in the cabin as I’m moving to Atlanta from Seattle. The other thing is the trailer doesn’t have brakes so all braking was the Defender and it did great with no issues.

[@hannthenan]

There's a V8 defender coming soon. Would be interesting to see how it compares.

[@VWkid4life]

Defender all day everyday. Looking forward to a Bronco 2 door, Wrangler 2 door, Defender 90 comparison. Love all three. Perfect 3 car garage for me. Who needs a Porsche anyways.

[@jimmytong2033]

Well I do. Absolutely no defender after all the horror stories.

[@VWkid4life]

@@jimmytong2033 lol horror stories?? We aren't talking about Tesla.

[@jimmytong2033]

@@VWkid4life that too but this video is about land Rover and off-roading.

[@VWkid4life]

@@jimmytong2033 I belong to 3 New Defender groups. Most of the problems are over the air updates on the pivo-pro. No mechanical or design issues. A few members already have 40,000 miles on their rigs with zero problems. Looking forward to my new Defender 90.

[@jimmytong2033]

@@VWkid4life congratulations on your win. Unfortunately many others loss.

[@Chopperbob56]

Another fantastic video guys. My favorite channel by far. I actually love both vehicles. I do own the 2020 P400 Defender and it’s absolutely amazing. I have had 4 Land Rovers And this is by far the best . No contest . And no break downs. Minor infotainment issues. I give them pure hell and they take very good care of me. Just my opinion but I prefer the combination of on road and off road performance. I drive many miles to get to my destinations and the comfort of the Defender is just amazing. Then I get to my off road destination and it changes personally completely. If I was primarily an off roader I’d get the Jeep as it is much more customizable . Both great vehicles and again you guys are simply the best on you tube. Cheers

[@cwdressen]

I have a P400 as well after owning three Wranglers. I was surprised by their value pick. The fit and finish of the Defender is leaps and bounds above the Wrangler. Also, I think their 20% is really more like 10%. I'd like to see a video where the Wrangler truly does something the Defender can't.

[@kevinthorns6238]

The defender has passed every obstacle thrown at it. In the off road challenge it beat everything else. Still they continue to criticise it and choose something else. I fail to understand the logic.

[@TylerDickey1]

TFL yank bias is strong, Harry’s Garage is here to balance them out!

[@Douganchesner]

Yeah I totally agree. It’s also so much better at everything else it’s not funny. It’s embarrassing that a wrangler can’t tow anything and it’s payload sucks. I just towed 7k lb across the US with my 2021 x-dynamic defender

[@scandinavia6271]

Agree! For some odd reason the Defender is a vehicle a lot of (jealous?) people love to hate. I honestly don’t get it; Even TFL who claims to be “Honest” keep circulating the “3- bad-defenders-fake-news-story” - they should take a long hard look at their “honesty”!

[@ronnieharford3326]

@@TylerDickey1 well said, exactly!!

[@Joe-kx7bl]

My 2023 defender 90 has had zero issues and I really like it. Put KO2’s on it. 12k miles

[@buckhorncortez]

I'd be more impressed if you took them both to Costco for some real-world testing like a shopping cart slalom so we could see them in their natural habitat...

[@admranger]

Split view of the wrangler and defender over the same obstacle was very nice. Great post production work!

[@TexBGH]

The best commentary I’ve heard about the 392 is when the guys stated that for the 392 they should have done something to make it stand out a little more. A slight design change. Something raptor or TRXish to where there is no mistaking that this is the top dog wrangler rather than just different badging

[@nielsdebakker3283]

You can also say this is the sleeper version.

[@shitloveaduck]

@@nielsdebakker3283 - Agreed. If I were to shell out the cash, I would be happier with the Wrangler as it is. People are commenting it’s too expensive already. Add alterations and changes to make it stand out and it gets much more expensive!!

[@RagingBad]

Just turn the bitch on and rev it, that's all you need to show you were stupid enough to spend 90k on an 8 cylinder piece of shit

[@jasonb4988]

Both are expensive for sure. I’m an original D90 owner, and of course this new Defender is far from that. I’ve also owned a 17’ Wrangler 4 door. I get what both offer, but in the end, the Jeep will win in multiple ways. Resale, reliability, and finally overall cost to own. Bums me out, because I recently drove a new 90 and really liked it. BUT ... the cost of entry is high, there is no real lease option, and apparently the services run over $1000. That’s a stiff number. Additionally, reliability is a huge concern for me.I’ve watched many videos, talked to owners and folks in the know. It has scared me off LR. The Jeep on the other hand has me interested. I know I’m never spend a grand+ on service. Thx guys, great video !

[@donhappel9566]

you have a NAS 90 and you're concerned about resale of the Rover?

[@deejayimm]

I'm over here in the Midwest just wishing I could get a new Suzuki Jimny......

[@estebanamador7601]

Really good workhorses, fleets use them a lot in my country.

[@greggb681]

As much crap as I give the new defender for being more of a discovery, I still admire the engineering JLR put into that suv. Their traction control system is second to none.

[@WRCWRX]

@Pro4x Trdpro I actually had a Tacoma and thought the MTS was garbage and unless on level ground it never wanted to go into low range.

[@WRCWRX]

@Pro4x Trdpro some of the MTS functions require you to be in low range.

[@WRCWRX]

@Pro4x Trdpro tell that to all the Tacoma owners besides myself on Tacomaworld that have the same issue with engaging low range. Well documented problem.

[@pr4293]

LR defender is impressive. love defender..💚💚 it's modern day off road legendary..

[@keltonjohnson6197]

I can’t believe some wranglers are this expensive now. 🤯

[@kralgrcan5318]

I love that you guys don’t sugar coat things. If it sucks you tell us the truth greatly appreciated

[@vondecker7774]

Wow impressed with the Defender!!! Interesting the Jeep didn’t quite clear the rocks. Probably would do the Jeep because of the customization vs Defender. Probably more headaches and lack of mods customizing the Defender since it has more technology. Great video TFL!!!

[@theshadypilot]

The Defenders optional rear locker would take it very close to the level of the Jeep offroad. Now no matter how much we don't want to admit it, all of us here spend most of our time on road. And it's here where there's just no comparison...

[@kkurion]

In a few months, we need to see V8 Defender vs V8 Wrangler 😂

[@cybersyber3602]

If only bronco put the 5.0 coyote in their but the 2.7 twins is cool too

[@joaquinpaul8205]

@@cybersyber3602 yeah too bad the Dohc Coyote doesn't fit under the hood of the Bronco but at least the 2.7 can be pretty easily tuned to 500+hp and will probably make more torque tuned than even the supercharged V8 in the Defender

[@wrongwheeldrive9605]

In a few months neither will be running

[@cybersyber3602]

@@joaquinpaul8205 yeah well the 2022 model warthog is gonna have the 3.5 so they will probably be able to fit the 5.0 in that imagine it super charged and tuned omg that thing would eat the raptor and trx and shit out the 392 wrangualr Idk I'm,my oppinion dodge is the most American muscle cars and trucks as of now but if ford made that it would be the number one pick for me for sure I'm getting the bronco regardless tho with the 2.7 when I'm 80 I'm probably still gonna have it lol

[@giermob11]

@@wrongwheeldrive9605 hahahaha, hilarious

[@cleetismcdougall5425]

Cj’s also had a 401 V8 available. I believe it was in the AMC era. Very rare though. It was also a popular transplant engine from J trucks and Cherokee Chiefs.

[@LJRoss-zv8hw]

My neighbor had a Javelin with a 401 when I was a kid.

[@bryanlorang417]

How many people who by the 392 will actually do hard core off roading? The same number of people who will off road the Defender. They are both very capable but how they achieve the results are very different. It's like The Rock v James Bond.

[@dougmhenriksen]

You'd be surprised, people that are paying attention to this, like myself, would actually take it offroading in Moab.

[@liftman3334]

Probably 10% maybe

[@JustinKingOffroad]

what we all want to see... bronco vs wrangler vs defender. the trifecta! (not the sport bronco either... FULL SIZED!)

[@kwawesome]

5:50-Nice comment about the "Jeep" being the Harley of the off road vehicles. Good analogy. 🙂

[@davidvestey6014]

I think it’s a bit mean to keep calling it your third Defender when ‘the second’ would have been fine if the tow bar technician knew what he was doing...?

[@vancity_coaster]

You pretty much hit that line identically, nicely compared guys!

[@cptJackSeether666]

Eh, the wrangler was farther right making the tallest rocks directly underneath instead of to the right center but close enough for this comparison!

[@oliverhughes169]

I think the articulation actually played against the wrangler here. It was much more level, so it could scrape those rocks. Where as the defender was just pointing vertically upwards, until it eventually got to the top!

[@DuaneCaldwell]

Nice comparison guys! I loved Tommy's honest response on the reliability question. LOL That is one of the reasons I watch your videos...you call them like you see them. Keep it up.

[@grnpnzer]

These are both great vehicles; but 70K @2.49 for 60 months is about 1300 a month before insurance and running costs. Which one do i want? the used 2016 4Runner Trail Premium w/KDSS. At some point value has to enter these discussions.

[@phasechange5053]

Exactly 1300 $ a month , you could build a pretty nice unit for under 2 years payments with pretty much any older base model as a starting point.

[@kiwirangerover6052]

Personally I would take the defender any day of the week!

[@motondska]

Love you guys but have to share some criticism: You can't knock the second LR reliability when the dealer completely botched the winch install. Also curious how many miles the engine had on the first one before taking offroading? I hope break in procedures were followed but nothing was mentioned of this. Otherwise, keep the great vids coming.

[@jasonsong6747]

Tommy's really gotten better as a presenter and it really showed in this video

[@gurmailbrar9]

10:57 “My heart was beating” How rare….

[@pedrod5819]

So, after a day of heavy off road, LR owners should head to the nearest garage to get new brake pads and maybe some new brake rotors as well. Overheating the breaks due to its traction control and then going through some nice cold water/ mud sections should provide an interesting result...

[@picodoc8001]

This is not aimed at the Defender, rather a lot of new "technology based" off road vehicles. The reason I have owned a Wrangler for so many years and will continue to own one is because of their old school systems. I go off road for the fun to it, not to have a technology based system help me creep over an obstacle.

[@dadventuretv2538]

I get your point. And Im not being a douche here but asking because I love talking about this stuff. So in a Rubi you manually put it into four wheel drive, either high or low. And that helps you get over stuff. Then you manually lock the rear or front diff and that helps you get over stuff. In my LR4 I have a locking center diff, low range and a locking rear diff. Difference is the center diff locks electronically and automatically instead of manually, and rear diff locks electronically and automatically instead of manually and instead of a locking front diff it has brake control. Low range is still a manual select. Is pushing a button yourself instead of the veh locking the diff or putting it into four wheel drive automatically really that different? I mean we’re all using technology to get us over obstacles or through muck? Anyway, main thing is we’re all out in the mud having fun, no matter how we do it. See you on the trails. 🤙

[@JAYREAD]

Are you sure the Defender is open diff? I think it has a locking center diff even though your one doesn’t have a rear locker.

[@nielsdebakker3283]

Funny to see that the defender clears the rocks due to less flex.

[@jerrodcorey25]

4:20 Most people use them to actually commute, take their kids to work. VERY INTERESTING

[@johnmayer8959]

I caught that 😂😂😂. Gotta get those kids started on work early so they can help pay for the Jeep! Lol

[@jerrodcorey25]

@@johnmayer8959 LOLOLOL RIGHT!!

[@teop7887]

"As you can see, I fit in the back seats" ...lol, yeah sure, with a nice spreadie of the knees, and no legroom for the second row 🤣😂 Years ago, Fifth Gear did a test of a 4wd Panda vs a Range Rover. Though the latter was obviously more powerful, the little Panda managed to complete the same course (much more gruesome than this little waltz in the woods) I'm just simply not impressed by all the 'Rovers. I have never seen one even tow anything. Wealthy people will spend on a F150 Platinum or Limited to tow their boat... Heck, they actually do not tow their boat, they dock it 😉 Fun video, the Jeep is a beast!

[@KeithKacanek]

Man, Toyota is really going to have to step up the next gen 4Runner TRD Pro to stay competitive in this segment!

[@kwu6456]

when i mentioned my concern for vehicle reliability to the sales, he said i could buy an extra year of warranty. what an answer.

[@AmHDS]

What were you expecting then?

[@sindeecharlton8857]

I have a 2011 Jeep two door Rubicon, 3.5 inch lift, just put on a set of Toyo A/T 3 35 inch tires, with 5.38 gears. I know I do not have a good engine in it. That said I love it. Now I like Jeep with a V-8 if the power train is built to handle the V-8. I at one time had a CJ-8 with a V-8 loved it. If the new Jeep with the V-8 has 44 axles, then it may be to week.

[@mrchams]

I wish FCA Australia would bring in the 392... It would save me $40k with the hemi swap in my JL

[@babinus]

Little bit of left foot braking is pretty much all that’s required for these trails. Defender will spend much of the time in the shop. Can’t wait to see how Czech army does with them.

[@efs83dws]

I am impressed with what the Defender did, but the Wrangler made it look so much easier.

[@Jackmerius_Tacktheretrix]

Much better suspension and unlike the defender the wrangler actually has suspension travel. Difference us if the electronics fail, and they will, at the worst time, that defender won't do squat offroad. The wrangler on the other hand, would be just fine, especially a Rubicon with the swaybar disconnect and lockers. LR has done a great job making it capable offroad but it took tons of electronics to do it because lets face it, in offroad height it has virtually zero suspension travel. Bounces like a car resting on its bump stops and lifts wheels on the smallest obstacles. It took alot of electronics and programming to compensate for the suspension design. Im a Land Rover guy but im disappointed thay the defender is such a departure from the original. If they'd have at least given it a solid rear axle then it could have been a decent replacement. As good as it is, its not a real replacement for the original. Much like the current Cherokee could never be a replacement for the XJ.

[@max28197]

"Defender is so much different than a wrangler" ...now it finally work🤣😂😅😆

[@jaybou007]

I had a soft spot for the Defender. But reliability issues made me walk away from it. It ain’t so much of a good off roader if it sits at the dealer’s, being fixed. Maybe for the mid-cycle refresh, when they’ll fix every issue? Maybe...

[@TheGreatOutdoorAdventure]

Land Rover has gotten much better in terms of reliability. On my second Disco with no issues, and I take it off-roading. I have an old TJ wrangler which is bullet proof. Overall, Land Rovers get a bad wrap in my opinion in terms of reliability. I used to have an old LR3. Things was a beast.

[@embeaston]

@@TheGreatOutdoorAdventure If they’re more reliable than people think then why don’t I see any older Land Rovers on the road?

[@TheGreatOutdoorAdventure]

@@embeaston Because... the newer designs with the new engines... are not old yet. Here in the US, they are rare and a premium. So less to begin with and their target market is the guppy mall crawler.

[@CarThings___]

@@embeaston wdym I see them all the time, I even own own

[@averagejoe9343]

Still a POS for reliability but a cool vehicle otherwise.

[@angusbeef4252]

Jeep Wrangler that costs more than a base Ram TRX. Gotta love it. When I saw the price I figured it had the same 700hp+ engine. They're insane, but I guess some people will buy them.

[@dougmhenriksen]

With that top installed, you can't fold down the windshield! Also I'd like to have seen the climb of the wrangler with lockers off. That swaybar disconnect might have been enough for the climb.

[@pwned2002]

Yes you can fold down the windshield with that top

[@reesparker9122]

You can see in the side by side photo you are on slightly different lines between the two. Front tire of the wrangler goes into a hole. Defender goes over the hole. That’s why the wrangler scraped its skid plates.

[@thecustomer2684]

You can get a 5” lift from NewDefenderMods now which should allow for 37” tyres on the Defender, or bigger. It cost $10k so not cheap but I can’t wait to see it done.

[@wim9821]

think its funny how you keep saying how more capable the jeep is offroad...(with bigger and more capable tyres) and then bottom out, nothing on the defender thow. might have been good too mention the defender has a v8 coming aswell. defender all the way, they dont even compare in onroad driveability, wich will be 90% off the time!

[@piemar97]

Indeed the defender is an off-road vehicle. It will spend most of its time off the road in the repair shop, so technically it is an off-road car right babe?

[@romantkachuk168]

@@piemar97 you don’t even know what you are talking about

[@piemar97]

@@romantkachuk168 Says the guy who probably doesn't even own neither of the 2 cars... Have a read here: www.edmunds.com/land-rover/defender/2020/consumer-reviews/?rating=1

[@dor1tomcswagger69]

@@romantkachuk168 he does know Range Rover is the most unreliable Brand and they sell cars that when the owners go pick them up they already have codes popping up one vehicle the mechanics couldn't figure out why the range would turn on took them 2 days and the alarm would randomly come on 😂 it's bad. Range Rover and this is a honest opinion is the most unreliable brand out of all brands but they drive really good and tbh that's why I think they still sell vehicles

[@scandinavia6271]

@@dor1tomcswagger69 the fact of the matter remains; The Defender is the most capable of these vehicles as is proven in the factual payload and off road numbers. Furthermore, the Defender WON this test due to superior ground clearance.

[@xavierid]

There is a HUGE difference between your Defender and the one with active locking diffs! You pick the wrong one!

[@TFLcar]

Nope, not much of a difference. We’ve driven both off-road. Have you?

[@xavierid]

@@TFLcar I own both. And there is a noticeable difference, there is no debate on that. Also you can get the loop kit here. www.powerfuluk.com/land-rover-defender-2020-tow-loop-upgrade-kit-red.html

[@leeloo21231234]

While wrangler is a nice capable machine, great looks, I would rather go to the dentist than spend 3 h on a highway with it. I have the p300 defender base version with some off-road and safety options added on order, and at least in europe it came out cheaper than a 4 door sahara wrangler . I will use it for long road trips and some medium off roading to get to nice camping spots. Something I could never do in a wrangler. When I see someone ina wrangler that I know is a long way from home and must have driven many hours on the higway, all I can think of is the stamina of that driver. If you have a bigger family and have someone in the back seats, you should know that the wrangler is basically a death trap. This is something else to consider and nobody makes this point in defender vs wrangler. Defender is one of the safest cars you can drive right now.

[@ryanmartinage]

I wish Jeep made a Grand Cherokee with a solid rear axle, IFS front, and would give us a real v8, diesel, alternative to the 4R and alternative to the Wrangler that would really perform.

[@jarrodmcdaniel]

Great comparison! All these videos are making me more and more impressed with Defender as one of the best all-around vehicles to commute and off-road in. I wanted to see the Wrangler’s traction control take on the Razor Rocks. Jeep makes a great traction control system as well. Great video as always👍

[@OutlawFarmersRC]

LOL the jeep does not use traction controls. It does it mechanically! the old school tuff and reliable way!

[@sking2173]

The closest you can get is a hemi in a Grand Cherokee. Those can be had with or without a LSD ...

[@dadventuretv2538]

I own an LR4 modified. Which is basically what the new Defender is. Compare spec sheets and you’ll see what I mean. I have driven many Wranglers, both on and offroad. The Defender will be a better allrounder. Towing, hauling, carrying, comfort snd convenience will all be better than a Wrangler. My LR4 goes anywhere Offroad I would care to take my daily, which is to say all the same places my Jeep buddies go, because their Jeeps are also their dailies. None of us are looking to do massive damage to our rigs. Sometimes it outperforms some of the Wranglers- usually the Sports in low traction situations. But the Wrangler Rubicon is better at the more hardcore offroading and has articulation that can’t be touched by any other vehicle currently on the market and is definitely easier to mod. And they have improved the on road day to say stuff over the years,, so it is definitely usable as a daily, just not as refined as a LR. So it just depends on what you want to do with your rig and where you want the emphasis to be. My LR4 listed at $65K in 2016. I spec a Defender with the rear locker and towing package and all the good offroad stuff but nothing that O didn’t need (like stickers or special wheels) and it came in at $70K on the nose. If you get the 4 cylinder it will come in about $67K. so not too bad for 5 years later.

[@peopleschamp7258]

@@dadventuretv2538 I have a four-cylinder, and it came in at 62k, but that was 2020 pricing. Cold weather package, off-road package, rear locker, terrain response 2, variable cruise control. Heated seats. That's it and it has been fantastic.

[@dadventuretv2538]

@@peopleschamp7258 love to see some vids. Especially if you mod it. I checked out Steve’s lift. So they’re doing a body lift for the Defender. First I’ve seen for LRs, altho it looks like they started with RRs first which is interesting. The stock Defender tires are 32 ins, so going to 35s would give an extra 1.5 ins ground clearance. Johnson Rods has a 1.5 in suspension lift kit for the Defender. i think I would couple the J Austin Fab body lift with the 1.5 in Johnson Rods. Would give a total of 3 extra inches ground clearance. Would be rolling at offroad height all the time. This is basically the height I drive my LR4 and love it- don’t have to use the air sus offroad as much as it clears most things at that height.

[@RonSoss]

Any chance of a comparison between a Defender with center and rear diff auto-lockers and a torque vectoring dual-clutch front diff, versus an open diff Defender?

[@1coxheath]

Surely at that price you would have to go for the Defender all day long, Wranglers look great for the cost they are usually sold at, but the moment one costs more than a defender no sir!

[@Davidrobertwhittaker]

Great video as always guys! You’re gonna have to get a V8 Defender sometime too!

[@NickTarterOKC]

I've seen a few Defenders out and about now and they really do look great. I still lament that it's a unibody and not a full body on frame SUV.

[@whatsongisthis5691]

But why? The unibody on it is stronger and stiffer than the frame of all of its competitors

[@Douganchesner]

@@whatsongisthis5691 it’s wasted effort. People only regurgitate “facts” they hear online now. The actual efficacy of a platform is not important if you don’t care to grow with the times. Body on frame is antiquated and unnecessary

[@me2ontube]

since I'm not a "serious" off-roader the defender is much more appealing

[@chanceym6000]

It’s an infinitely better daily too

[@trailrunnah8886]

I'm all in this Wrangler. I'll never be able to afford one, but I actually do think it's kind of a good value. Considering this is a loaded up Rubicon, which would probably be 50-55K for even the base V6, considering this has a Hemi swap and some other things make it actually seem like a good value. And they probably won't sell a ton of these, so resale value is going to be ridiculously good as well. Also, I think the price is basically a non-issue. Yeah, I'm sure there's some people that are going to stretch themselves out to make a monthly payment on this, but I would think that most people looking to buy something like this are pretty well-off and will purchase this just as a toy, or as some sort of tax write-off for their business or KZbin channel.

[@josiaevans]

@Tommy , when you disconnected the sway bars on the wrangler I think you also allowed the chassis to sit lower to the obstacle as an unintended result. If you kept them connected, you would have seen the non-grounded tires lift up sooner, but the chassis would have cleared the obstacle too 🤔 That being said... am I the only one who thinks it's kind of awesome to be able to disconnect sway bars with a button so you don't have to get out on a snowy day and deal with tools etc just to clear an obstacle?

[@RichardVac]

The Rangler needs to be lifted to be more capable, because if it gets high center it will be stuck, the Defender is more capable as is

[@andyreeves3860]

Have watched u guys for years. Continued little digs on LR is beneath u. Feels like u do it for more clicks. I get the defender story but it’s a little disingenuous to keep saying you’re on your third defender when the dealership, a human, wrecked the second one. Let it go and move forward. It’s tiring. And you guys have a really good channel. You don’t need that.

[@janithtennakoon1968]

Absolutely right!

[@henkstols9326]

I only see the guys being honest at TFL, yes their Defenders werent perfect but they persisted with the brand and everyone told them exactly what would happen and it did. All new model vehicles have issues and normaly its sorted with the 2nd gen derivatives so I hope LR up their game because they rely heavily on tech to compete in the market. Look at how well the guys reviewed their second hand buys and did a lot of content on their Discos they bought, I dont see any biased people here. Im just happy they have a popular channel and their car was swapped by LR, not sure how the normal customer would be treated?

[@andyreeves3860]

@@henkstols9326 - thank you for your comment. I agree with many of your points. Very well stated. As a Land Rover and Ford guy I suppose I am naturally biased and sensitive to comments about “my“ brands. I do think the son Tommy goes a little bit overboard with all of his little Land Rover digs. But if I went through what they went through, I would be pretty darn frustrated too. I do believe the dad is really trying to like the defender. And Land Rover absolutely Has to get its crap together with these little details. If they want to have legendary reliability like Toyota they have to do better. Solid brand with room to grow. Thanks again.

[@IdeaCalledFreedom]

No, LR deserves it. They’ve always sucked. Even their best vehicles absolutely FAIL in the durability/reliability department. Go elsewhere.

[@daved6464]

I like the 7000 lb towing for the defender. The wrangler just doesnt have enough towing for me.

[@dadventuretv2538]

You. That was the deal breaker for me too. Need to tow 6000 lb boat from time to time. The Ineos Grenadier is supposed to have a similar tow rating to the Defender so if looking for something more old school but with high tow rating may want to wait to see about it. I know I am. For me will probably be down to Defender, Gladiator with cap/pop tent on bed and a Grenadier. I think Bronco will tow like the Wrangler.

[@Queensizemusic]

I just love your work. It’s great fun to see these vehicles, and I’m glad they’re in production, but, for what I need - long distance trips overland, I want the Diesel engine in a Jeep Gladiator.

[@ZachBrimhall]

The Defender with diff lockers would be a beast.

[@janithtennakoon1968]

Yep it is, it does all of that with a center Diff lock, yet the 392 sure got front, center & the rear. Wheel articulation here is simply is to gain traction, yet the Defender eliminates that due to it's traction control system which simply proves a better program in this, but like always TFL, absolute zero regard.

[@SoldierSinging]

Literally was just waiting for the mention of it not being equipped with rear diff locker 😂. 👍

[@lrosengreen]

Nice comparison! ...but won't the V8 Defender change things a little?

[@scottgraham1153]

I love the look of the Defender. I really liked the white one they had built, I was really looking forward to seeing that one in action. Glad to see they finally got it right on the third one. But 2 out of 3 rigs to get it right is not good.

[@cptJackSeether666]

ya I have a 2020 2Lturbo wrangler and I'm drooling over the v8! a little out of my budget range unfortunately!

[@Navigator-apex]

Never doubted the off-road ability but longer term LR will need to improve reliability by a large margin. Right now I will not feel confident crossing Australian outback with this. I drive a Defender which I have removed most of the unreliable components with other trusted components and have no issues Cheers

[@markmcintosh7095]

Great comparison. Great channel. Thanks for your hard work.

[@hereigoagain5050]

I can imagine conversation in the Mica household a few years back. Roman: "Tommy, get in the 3 rd row." Tommy: "Dad, I'm too big." Roman: "Get back there. I fit just fine." Tommy: "Then your ride back there." :)

[@robsolf]

As much as I'd LOVE to have a Wrangler with a serious V8 under the hood, there's NO WAY IN HELL I'd pay 70-80k for one.

[@JohnDunnIsSoFun]

Had to skip ahead to see if you did a side-by-side cut of the razor rocks section. Bravo

[@browndogstt8546]

Jeeps are exactly the Harley of the offroad world. You are always working on them and there is not end to the money pit. At least the jeep will hold some resale value! Better than any other fiat vehicle. Not so much for the rover. Nice video. Love seeing the trails of colorado.

[@OutlawFarmersRC]

Funny you think this when TFL has never had any issues with there long term jeeps over the years But was forced to completely replace the defender twice for their third one! And that was only because they have a huge KZbin channel. Everyone else has to wait forever for overseas parts to come in. This Land Rover is a joke!!!

[@browndogstt8546]

@@OutlawFarmersRC the range rover is a joke, but after 30 years of fixing jeeps I wouldn't buy one of it was 10k. Tfl's long term vehicles get less mileage in a year than I put on my vehicles in a month so I don't take much stock in their reliability comments.

[@aidanwilson6035]

@@OutlawFarmersRC That is fake news , only ONE Defender had a fault (every vehicle maker has engine problems ) , it was TFL's choice to replace it rather than wait for parts which are often hard to come by on a brand new vehicle , covid caused further delays , the 2nd was fine and was damaged by an incompetent local dealer. Almost 80k for that dated Wrangler !!!! , are they having a laugh , 10 mpg , poor crash protection and disappointing on road were they will be for 90% of the time.

[@browndogstt8546]

@@aidanwilson6035 fake news? Range rover have always been junk. Jeeps aren't much better.

[@lorpal1]

@@browndogstt8546 I put 600, 000 kms before I sold my LR3 - still running road legal vehicle and fully functional. Replaced lower control arm bushings twice and one air spring, one water pump and one alternator. That's it aside from tires and oil changes. That's very good for such high mileage...

[@buzzpedrotti5401]

Interesting how each marketing department values various capabilities. Want comfortable, capable vanity platform? Want a focused, capable vanity platform? It's only money, Mister.

[@Spoons81]

I'm in the minority of people who actually like that landrover more than the jeep. If it wasn't for landrovers notorious quality issues and reliability curse I'd buy one over the jeep anyday.

[@jgreed5]

That’s a great camera

[@mikeattheimagebusiness6215]

Interesting as always. I bet we don’t get the V8 in the UK. Different perspective, the Wrangler Rubicon is £51,985 to £59,120 ($83,359) here (127 PS engine). The ‘normal’ Defender 110 D250 SE (250 PS) is £58,335 ($ 82.250), (starting at £49,665). Very few dry Rocky off roading, plenty of mud and rain! Fuel £5.70 Gallon ($8.00). Smaller roads and very small parking spaces. Both are classed as unreliable here. Jeep has one of the lowest safety scores. Most of us spend more time on road than off. Which one would you have? Roll on Grenadier!

[@SiCrewe]

Can't say I've ever actually heard anybody question whether the new Defender is an off-roader. Whether or not it's a reliable, rugged, durable off-roader, on the other hand, IS a question that has merit.

[@briankenny6822]

I see brand new ones getting towed. Horrible reliability

[@SiCrewe]

@@briankenny6822 Exactly. Let's face it, any manufacturer that is willing to sink millions into developing an off-roader IS going to end up with something that can drive off-road. The big question is whether it'll still be running 20 years (or in the new Defender's case, 20 minutes) after leaving the showroom.

[@ThM0808wien]

I really love the Jeep's and especially the wrangler! But: in my country the cheapest wrangler is approx. 80.000 Eur. that’s the main problem here, but I really like the truck (cause the wrangler is in my opinion not a car). I really love to see what you guys are doing and I really love you’re reviews ;) I've sold Ram Trucks in my Country (Austria) and you've always showed me to look at the cars/trucks and also, you've told me how to think about American vehicles. Some engines and transmissions are told to be reliable here but aren't in the US, so I'm about to find out why. Here, the Wrangler is equipped with the 2.8 CRD engine and the Gladiator with the 3.0 CRD as standard (90.000 euro). so, there must be some difference between our and your usage of the vehicle :) I'm not talking about tax or so :) love your videos :)

[@ahua]

At that price point, I don’t see how you don’t get the Defender. The Wrangler simply doesn’t make for anywhere near as good or comfortable daily driver. Less space, fewer amenities, less towing capacity by a lot, less cargo space, rougher ride. If it’s only a toy, the Wrangler has a case, but at over $70k, I’m going for the extremely capable off road, plus high end comfortable Defender.

[@Douganchesner]

I agree. I also think this channel likes to minimize how well the Defender does off-road even though it owns every challenge with ease...

[@johntyson]

Taking a Defender deep into the back country is like eating a bunch of Taco Bell before sitting in rush hour traffic. Sure it can handle the drive, but there’s a good chance it’ll break and you’ll be covered in mud and not moving.

[@thelight888]

LR POS

[@darcybowyer5743]

Still can’t convince me to replace my Tdi Defender with a new one but credit to JLR to engineering a pretty good vehicle. Just one I wouldn’t own out of warranty! (Coming from someone who has owned a D2 and a Puma 130)

[@pablomoreno1999]

The defender is cheaper than the 392, now we have some perspective of how expensive that wrangler is😂 I'd get a base defender like your first actually, might not be that good offroad but i think it gives you more and they will be more desirable in the future, sorry to bring back bad memories guys...

[@Thomas-om6ov]

the v8 Defender it’s over £100,000 so it’s not cheaper...

[@pablomoreno1999]

@@Thomas-om6ov i was referring to theirs, personally if i was looking for a land rover v8 I wouldn't even bother with the defender...

[@giermob11]

Can the wrangler do the trail without lockers as the defender did?

[@sking2173]

Does it matter ???

[@giermob11]

@@sking2173 I wouldn't ask if it didn't

[@dadventuretv2538]

@@sking2173 well yeah bc not all Wranglers have lockers.

[@ec6933]

Not going to lie I laughed quite a bit when Tommy said $7,000 Apple way to keep your dad on his toes

[@300bhpton]

It's a shame you guys didn't have the proper Defender for sale like the Rest of thew World. This new Pretender is a brilliant Discovery. But so far a drift from what a Defender was. It's like when you are talking about "now the Defender has a 3rd row of seats", as though this is a new thing. Older 110's could seat 12 people in them! Being able to only seat 7 in the new one is a huge step backwards really, not something new & revolutionary. Not knocking you, but your views on this new model are rather skewed compared to what most people who have owned and daily driven traditional Defenders.

[@Malc664]

Bronco! can't wait. Make sure all 3 are on the obstacles together for a true comparison.

[@michalklucz6907]

if we are talking about off-road like live off-road, drive off-road, I would take Wrangler. But if I have travel 300miles on the highway, then 50 miles off-road, and 300 miles back or regular roads, I am team defender.

[@andysupple4838]

The Ike gauntlet for Wranglers and Land Rovers should be Mickey's hot tub in moab

[@camcamwatt]

Nice video - fun, engaging, entertaining and honest. Great work

[@hedydd2]

There is now a V8 gas option for the Defender for some reason. I suppose it is specifically aimed at the US market where gas prices are as cheap as anywhere outside of the Middle East [North Africa]