How To Tie A Circle Hook

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[@Mancavedweller1]

Great video, and finally someone with a mechanical mind to work out exactly how a circle hook will work in the fishes mouth. Couldn't agree with you more.

[@ifishcatfish]

thank you sir!

[@bonikaston7032]

You are like me, don't believe in anything until you test it by yourself . great analysis .you should be a trader with this mindset .

[@ifishcatfish]

I am but what i bought was literally the only thing that didn't go up this year.

[@Nick-01536]

I'm totally new to circle hooks and intend to use them for pike/zander fishing,so I found this very interesting 👍👍👍

[@deriserudder5098]

From Australia finely some has shown how they work good on you mate 👍👍

[@ifishcatfish]

I didn't recommend or show any knots in this video because people usually use such ridiculously heavy leaders that knots absolutely dont matter, as long as you tie your hook straight. A good knot retains 98% of the strength of the line. A bad knot retains 85%. If you tie your circle hooks with 40-60-80 pound line, these numbers don't matter, as you don't need more than 20 pound of strength in the line for the biggest catfish in the world.

[@matthewjackson2853]

i agree. i feel as though given enough time a very heavy, very large log could be dragged onto the bank from a long distance with 20 pound line. as a carp fisherman i am certain that i have pulled in 20+ pound carps along with 40 or more pounds of dead weed during the dog days of summer. and some similar scenarios with pulling smaller channel catfish in on 12# and the end result being a very very large deep salmon net being completely chock full of weed with a tiny "surprise" of a channel catfish nested inside of it hahaha we do not given fishing line enough credit for its miraculous strength

[@ericl2969]

@@matthewjackson2853 Old comment here, but for those still interested, the most important reason for what you are saying is something you, and almost everyone else, overlooks. First of all, forget about the weight of the fish. The fish weighs nothing when underwater (that gob of weeds that you mention weighs virtually nothing underwater too, but there is resistance when dragging it through the water). What matters is how hard can the fish pull, and no fish can pull with a force that equals its own weight. In fact, it's not even close. With that out of the way, here's the main point - and this is the thing that very few people understand. YOU CAN'T PULL WITH YOUR FISHING ROD AS HARD AS YOU THINK YOU CAN! The main thing you are gaining with such heavy lines is resistance to wear and tear, and very-forgiving knot strength. - If you have a fishing rod that's made to cast weights of 1/4 to 5/8 ounce, you'll be hard pressed to put more than 2.5 to 3 pounds of tension in the line. - If you have a fishing rod that's made to cast weights of 3/8 to 1 ounce, you'll be hard pressed to put more than 4 pounds of tension on the line. - If you have a fishing rod that's made to cast weights of 1 to 3 ounces, you'll be hard pressed to put more than 6 pounds of tension on the line. In each of those cases, you might pull just a little bit harder than the weights I listed, but you won't feel comfortable about it once you see and feel how much strain there is on your rod. For those who don't believe this (and that's going to be almost everyone), before reflexively barking about this being "wrong", test it for yourself. See how hard you can pull using a spring scale, or by suspending objects of known weight off the ground using the line from your fishing pole (I say "suspending" the weight, because you need to demonstrate how much tension you can maintain with just a steady pull). You WILL be surprised at the results.

[@J-Rigby]

I appreciate your viewpoint on this subject, but I think there is more at play here. Circle hooks are meant to catch the fish in the corner of the mouth. I have no evidence to support this, but I think snelling the hook helps ensure that the orientation of the hook gap is open toward the corner of the mouth as it is pulled.

[@ifishcatfish]

like i said in the video, snelling is good only on some hooks, depending on the eye. It's not for all hooks, definitely not straight eye hooks

[@davemojarra4734]

Very nice presentation

[@Radchenister]

Good vid.

[@mauricecason5369]

You always teaching me something new thank you my friend you fill with so much information to share

[@davidf2699]

Good demonstration!

[@AlexetJosy]

Thank for the video! I have been using this technic for trout fishing and I have never gut hook one.

[@ifishcatfish]

you fish trout with circle hooks?

[@shellcrackerlover5889]

You simply tie the snell straight to the shank. You DO NOT need to run your line through the eye...This typically guarantees an in-plane relationship with the line/shank. This typically results in catching more and more fish.

[@ifishcatfish]

yes, if you can snell without the eye, it will always work. But that's risky. Requires a good knot. With 50 lb line or more its difficult to tighten the knot and it can slip out

[@JA-gx4hb]

Any studies or data to back up your belief?

[@davemojarra4734]

Lmbo! Sooo true. Trigger effect. I believe s it for years.😂

[@hikenmikes8262]

Great video! Can’t wait for the debate to begin😃

[@ifishcatfish]

im here : )

[@hikenmikes8262]

@@ifishcatfish lol👍🏼

[@hikenmikes8262]

@@ifishcatfish strange...I expected a lot of guys to argue with you. Maybe everyone is slow due to the cold😁

[@Francois_Dupont]

yes, the offset eye are very useful for certain knots. you cannot use any knots on any type of hooks. sometimes the metal edge of the bent eye can even snip the line. i discovered the difference myself after using different knots and doing experiments.

[@ifishcatfish]

i personally dont care about the knot. Just tie it straight so it looks right. These hooks are tied with such thick lines, usually more than 50 lb, that i don't think the eye can do any damage. Thats more of a concern for european spade hooks, where the coils can go up and rub against the sharp spade. But with these hooks u can't do no damage

[@Francois_Dupont]

@@ifishcatfish i normally use very small hooks, #10, 8, sometimes #6 with line from 2lbs to 8lbs. so any mistake and the line can break. i wanted to buy spade hooks for fun so i can learn new technique. but i never found them anywhere where i live, nor online.

[@berteastman3883]

@@Francois_Dupont try canadiancarpclubshop they have some UK style feeder fishing gear, they may have some

[@Francois_Dupont]

@@berteastman3883 thx, ill look into it.

[@matthewjackson2853]

will you talk about "cam action" or "slow death hooks" someday? the slow death hooks seem to be targetted toward walleye or bass fishermen who like to use whole nightcrawlers and they supposedly impart a wide corkscrew- like spiral action on the nightcrawler during retrieval/trolling.... and then the cam-action hooks are SUPPOSEDLY more likely to catch hold in the fishes mouth and settle in... imagine sticking a needle to your hand with slight pressure but nothing happens but then you twist it like a screwdriver. to my logic the needle would settle into your hand in that scenario... sorry for this long-winded comment but if you take any interest in talking about these type of hooks and sharing your thoughts it could be fun like the circle hook vids. ty for this content as usual, always interesting sir

[@ifishcatfish]

dont know what 'slow death hooks' is, but judging just by the name i intuitively think its some BS. I am actually familiar with the 'cam action' hooks and I can positively confirm they are BS. They don't even provide action. They are just a crooked wire hook.

[@matthewjackson2853]

@@ifishcatfish these companies always trying to sell us some bs. it bothers me that now when i go into walmart or wherever that will sell only the most "basic" of fishing tackle and you cannot find a regular, simple straight shank J hook..... it is something else

[@ifishcatfish]

I was so frustrated with that when i first came into united states. I just wanted a simple straight J hook and all i saw was funny bent bass hooks and camshaft action hooks and everything but a simple straight J hook

[@ivansgrinevics3487]

And which knots do you use in the drop shot fishing?

[@ifishcatfish]

something from youtube... i dont even know the name, everyone makes their own name. But it doesn't work very well. I need a better knot actually, to keep the hook perpendicular even with 4 pound line. The know i use needs 6 or even 8 pound line

[@dirkdiggler2430]

Fish are getting smarter, when they see a circle hook, they now know they must swim in reverse. 🙄

[@ifishcatfish]

Fish - yes. People - no.

[@Side85Winder]

Bent eye is known as a 'octopus' added to the hook type. So when you see a octopus hook or octopus circle hook, you know that hook has a bent eye or layed back. I intuitively done like this since i got back into fishing. Also if i am using a snell i like to do something about the sharp hook eye. Usally add some binding or glue to the eye. I all ways test my knots and try to improve and i find some hooks now and then just have a sharp edge and no snell will hold.

[@ifishcatfish]

you are imagining things, sir. The sharp edge doesn't matter at all. The line is not supposed to touch the sharp edge. You probably don't know but United States is the only country in the world that even has 'eye' on top of the hook. If you look at japanese and european hooks they have a 'spade' on top, which is very sharp all around. And the line still doesn't catch it. Here is a french carp hook. People catch 50 pound carp with it an doesn't cut the line: pecheur-store.com/ghk127-ghk130-barbless-hooks-matrix-mxc-1-spade-end-ptfe-x10-black?variant%5B131%5D=17409&variant%5B92%5D=367

[@jp040759]

Interesting insight.

[@iamalemontree]

Thanks much sir!! This is deep stuff

[@matthewjackson2853]

i would almost say it would be best to tight the straight eye likes like a spade end hook and ignore the hook eye altogether, because you can still end up with that "incorrect angle" because the hook can reseat into a different position in that knot. but the best i believe would be what you said.... simply buy back turned eye on circle hook for snell knots.

[@ifishcatfish]

didn't think of that but you are geometrically correct! : )

[@jorgericocalderon7353]

Great video thanks ♥️🎣

[@ifishcatfish]

👍

[@brian1204]

Great analysis. I find a lot of “explanations” rely on faulty premises. Another example of this is the old “palm method” of testing hair-rigs for carp. The suck and blow of how carp feed is not the same as suck and turn which would be modeled by the palm test....

[@ifishcatfish]

*I find a lot of “explanations” rely on faulty premises* I will drink to that. I see this in politics, economics - EVERYWHERE

[@ifishcatfish]

as for carp anglers.. sometimes i feel they are a different human species. I love carp fishing, but carp anglers drive me nuts

[@SleepyGuzman]

Could i use the improved clinch knot on the circle hook

[@ifishcatfish]

u can use ANY knot. This video was about matching knot to hook

[@WD-41469]

Thank you! We’ll done.

[@edcastillo4456]

I understand what you’re trying to illustrate, but you are missing something, and that is the upper part of the mouth and showing the hookset when it’s almost or completely closed. What fish eats a bait and swims off with its mouth completely open? If you do the demonstration with another black stick above and mimic a partially closed or completely closed mouth, you will likely see a different perspective.

[@ifishcatfish]

@@edcastillo4456 i think my demonstrstion is good enough even though not perfect. People who dont get it were never going to be convinced by me anyway.

[@dilwardawre]

good demonstration but i would disagree with the theory. circle hooks are made for the fish to take bait and swim away and when the fish takes bait and start running away then trigger will do its job to find the corner. been fishing with angled tied up circle hooks with straight eye in South Africa and now in Australia for almost 17 years. Never had a issue. again good demonstration skill there mate.

[@ifishcatfish]

Complete nonsense. I GUARANTEE YOU not a single manufacturer knows what you are talking about! I personally know representatives of Mustad and Owner! Trigger effect and turning away is nonsense. Circles hooks are designed with ONE reason and ONE reason only - to save the life of the fish by avoiding hooking its guts!

[@dilwardawre]

@@ifishcatfish that NONSENSE has worked for me all this years and 98% of my catches are hooked in the corner of the jaw.

[@birdbig1]

​@@dilwardawreHooking the corner of the jaw is because of the circle hook, not because of the knot tied.

[@JA-gx4hb]

Good job on the video and you have some interesting thoughts. But the proof is in the pudding. How about getting a couple of fish (dead of course) jamming a baited hook in their mouths and pulling the line. I mean it's great to have a theory but how about actually testing it? Maybe we can get that Project Farm guy to make some rubber fish and test it properly. I'd be interested to know what kind of if hook commercial longliners use, I know they use the "No knot" snell but do they use it on a straight shank circle?

[@ifishcatfish]

This is a demonstration, not a theory. If daiwa, owner and gamakatsu tie their hooks this way, that means a lot more than what some dude does in his basement

[@noturfather1106]

Longliners in my area seem to use large o'shaughnessy hooks and bait them with squid for rockfish and other bottomfish.

[@TomMendoladrums]

Excellent! Thank you!

[@quanloikid1]

very nice

[@ifishcatfish]

there is something silly to watch while having dinner! : )

[@howaboutnowdad4582]

Very nice, thank you

[@ryanwinklepleck798]

Thank you for explaining this in detail! I would have to agree with your reasoning after watching the video. I was wondering about this exact thing with circle hooks as I have much more experience with octopus hooks and the like. With snelled/bait loop octopus hooks we also always use hooks with an angled eye. I think most hooks are simply designed to be pulled straight along the shank for best effectiveness. You covered all of this really so thanks again! I wonder who the heck came up with this trigger idea lmao??? Maybe this trigger method works in some applications lol idk but it does not seem to be using the hooks in the way that they were designed to be used.

[@ifishcatfish]

if one guy with reputation mentions it, it spreads like herpes.

[@ColterBrog]

Following this logic, which I do think makes sense, wouldn’t it be reasonable to assume threading the line in from the back side would give a more open presentation of the hook gap? If feeding from the point side theoretically decreases hookup, wouldn’t doing the opposite (as opposed to straight) theoretically increase the hookup?

[@ifishcatfish]

nowhere in the video i mention the gap. It's not about the gap. It's about the angle of the tip. You want the tip pointing the lip of the fish, not inside, not out. The line should come out of the shank of the hook in a straight line

[@ColterBrog]

@@ifishcatfish Right, but the tip is in the gap. If the line being fed in from the front side as many people do makes the tip less well presented because it’s curling in on itself, then wouldn’t the opposite give better presentation of the tip by preventing that curling and keeping the line out of the way?

[@ifishcatfish]

you are still thinking about the whole thing the wrong way. What if the eye of the hook is straight? Then going from the back will create a very bad angle for the tip. If you don't stop thinking about gaps you will not figure the point of the video.

[@jimscott4552]

Good one, I must say that it is hard to see any circle hook having a high hook up ratio. I understand their function of reducing gut hooks. It just seems as if the design would be prone to miss hooking into anything. Even so they can catch fish with less damage. If I'm going to soak bait, I prefer to use them. Just can't stand to see a gut hooked fish -- especially saltwater non-keepers.

[@ifishcatfish]

yes

[@matthewjackson2853]

i always feel like it is so strange to say that any kind of hook is good for reducing gut hooking because a fish can just as easily swallow a circle hook.. maybe it could slip out of their stomach much more easily than a j-hook but it seems unlikely to me

[@dylanclay2741]

@@matthewjackson2853 A true inline circle hook will very rarely gut hook a fish. However your hookup ratio is typically less with a circle hook

[@TheIconicFisherman]

​@@matthewjackson2853 a traditional inline circle hook won't gut hook a fish even if it goes into the stomach because the hook barb is pointed towards the shank of the hook and not straight up or to the side. So it can't actually hook anything without going over the lip of the fish where the barb will finally have any contact with any part of the fish at all which is always the lip on the corner of the mouth of the fish it's basic physics.

[@AskLeRoy]

This is an incredible video. I don't even talk about knots anymore because I got so tired of the trigger crap 😂

[@nathanclayton4153]

90 per cent of the time the fish hook themselves. I’ve used them for years.

[@kevinmedeiros9281]

What is your favorite brand of circle hooks?

[@ifishcatfish]

Berkley Fusion 19. By far. I think Gamakatsu makes these hooks for them as this is definitely a japanese hook

[@kevinmedeiros9281]

I just went on berkley's website. They only have offset shank circle hooks

[@justprey411]

those scissors look sharper than the hooks :D , great video.

[@labbaciabdelkader1836]

It depends on target fish species

[@ifishcatfish]

how so?

[@Boon-ie1rq]

Best way to catch fish is to go fishing. Catch rate is 0% when watching KZbin 😅.

[@Mancavedweller1]

True, but watching, reading, learning AND going fishing, and you'll most likely catch more than the guy that does no studying. Knowledge applied is power.

[@Nep311]

It's called preparing.

[@Mancavedweller1]

@@Nep311 Dead right

[@TheMtGRogue]

I'm honestly not trying to be rude or combative, but your "experiment" was entirely useless. By placing the scissors (or whatever you were using for resistence) inside the curve of the hook, it is going to cause the hook to rotate the exact same way no matter how it's tied. If you would have actually tried it with the other hook you would have seen that. In order to test it properly you should be testing how the hook reacts when the sharp bend immediately before the point makes contact with a perpendicular surface (which is how the hook is designed to work- it MUST rotate in order to penetrate beyond that roughly 90° turn). Try putting both hooks inside of a bucket or cup. As the hooks crest the edge, that edge slides into the gap. As you continue to pull, the hook will rotate. If you go very slowly, they will both catch at a similar rate, but as you go even slightly faster (which is far more realistic), the non-snelled hook will catch at a dramatically lower rate. In this experiment you can clearly see that applying tension from a point inside the curve of the snelled hook causes it to rotate more naturally and causes the pressure to be applied directly at the point of the hook (and yes, the rotation occurs when pulling the line in the same way a reel would). The non-snelled hook, however, moves in a straight line which more often than not causes the perpendicular edge to be "skipped" over by the gap. Even when it does catch, that direct line tension (as opposed to angled) very often causes the portion that must turn to instead simply hit in a straight line and bounce upward. You end up with two seperate instances during the hookset where the non-snelled hook has a greater than 50% failure rate (meaning a greater than 75% overall failure rate). This seems to be a nearly perfect example of confirmation bias. You went in with a predetermined outcome in mind and you were so confident about it that you only demonstrated things that supported your claim. If you had simply done the same actions with both hooks you would have seen that your theory has major issues. If you had done the bucket experiment you would have seen that the success rate of the non-snelled hook was less than 25%, while the success rate of the snelled hook is extremely close to 100% (it has literally been 100% every time I've done it personally). If you don't believe me you could try the bucket experiment with the hooks tied onto full rod and reel setups. The results are extremely persuasive and it is much closer to what happens inside a fishes mouth. If you can set up a better experiment I would genuinely love to see it. I have no dog in this fight and only want to find out what truly works best.

[@ifishcatfish]

its kind of hard to picture geometrical things described with words. Perhaps you should make a quick video about that and demonstrate it. I am not sure what your point is but you must be missing something if you have reached those conclusions. The only reason eyes are bent offset is so after you use a snell the hook is still with respect to the line. If the hook is not straight with respect to the line, your chances drop, regardless of the direction of the offset.

[@TheMtGRogue]

I can't post links, but I can point you in the right direction. Rad Reeling Fishing has a video titled "Experiment, What is The Best Knot For Circle Hooks, Snell or Clinch?" and reelreports did one also titled "How To Use Circle Hooks To CATCH More BIG FISH." My point was pretty clear: your video did not actually prove anything, or even show any compelling evidence. You had a preconception and set out to prove it, demonstrating only things that you think support your argument. If you had experimented, at all, you would have started to see that your theory doesn't hold up in practice. You assumed the outcome... and you're basically doing it again in this reply (by restating your initial theory as if it were a foregone conclusion). The idea that the hook can only be effective if the pressure is in a direct line with the shank is ridiculous. Yes, that is true of a J hook, but you are essentially saying that it is impossible to design a hook otherwise. Do you truly believe that? Pretty sure 15 minutes in CAD would prove that wrong. Yet again, you are simply assuming based on prior knowledge while ignoring glaring issues. Just look at the hook. See that bend just before the point? It would take an enormous amount of pressure to drive that through your skin. However, if you just slightly rotate the hook while applying pressure (say, from pulling outwards from inside of the curve) it takes less than a pound. Do you honestly not see and understand that? I"m simply pointing out that there are several experiments that prove this idea to be incorrect. If evidence matters to you, search KZbin for the videos I named and watch them. If you still insist you are correct, show me something more compelling. Look, I'm not trying to nitpick... I'm trying to politely point out the flaws in your theory/demonstration. They are major. I apologize if I'm coming across as rude, but I've worked in laboratory environments for 20+ years and flawed experiments drive me nuts.

[@TheMtGRogue]

Okay. I just read some of your replies to the comments. My favorite was the one where you agreed with the guy who says that he can't imagine circle hooks having a high hookup ratio. Yeah... that must be why commercial fisherman have used them nearly exclusively (for hook and line applications) for several decades. Those guys aren't interested in efficiency, they're just out for a good time, right? This isn't exactly secret, hidden knowledge. Maybe do a little research? P.S.- Look up some commercial fishing videos and take a look at their rigs. Notice how the drop lines curve back towards the mainline? Try Larry "Fishman" Finch, he's easily the most prolific commercial pompano fisherman in Florida. I think he might know what he's doing.

[@ifishcatfish]

Circle hooks are topic of a different video. This video discusses knots and I believe i visualized my arguments pretty well. I think the video will help everyone who is objectively looking at the matter. It is not important for me to convince people who started watching the video thinking they already know everything on this topic. To be honest, i think people who think they know everything are not worth helping even if I could help them.

[@Vermonstered]

​@@TheMtGRogueThe 'bucket test' isn't really a real world test though. As this would mean the mouth of the fish is frictionless basically and gaping open all the time. If that were true, you'd never see the bite on your rod and the hook would just fall out. This is what happens in the bucket test, there's no tension on the line coming around the lip of the bucket so there's no edge for the hook to ever bite into. What the 'trigger effect' does is pre-cant the hook to be in the set position around a corner or lip of the bucket with no load on the line. But that's not reality, the fish bites down and usually moves away which is what you see as a bite. With the fishes mouth closed there's no way for the hook to hop over the edge of the mouth unless you're yanking it out too quickly by setting the hook. The hook needs time to have the flat spot of the circle point catch the inner mouth and rotate the point in as the eye of the hook exits the mouth. The difference is snelled already has some of that rotation built in via the line pull direction with the downside of failing to get the hook point in on a greater arc. The direct tie will have a better effective line pull arc the hook will be effective but does need a smoother hook set to give time for the hook to turn around the edge of the mouth. In the end, both styles work but for slightly different reasons. But definitely a straight pull from the shank is how the hook is designed. I end up using both methods simply by what's convenient.

[@daphbobo]

Nice vid

[@michaelc3416]

Good info! All of my current hooks are straight shank circle hooks. I will now use Uni knots rather than Snell knots for these hooks.

[@ifishcatfish]

well dont expect miracles, but do know you are doing the right thing

[@Aero737]

Thanks for the instructional videos...I need to start getting my gear cleaned and prepped for spring

[@ifishcatfish]

same here! gona go above freezing finally!

[@machinegunpreacher2469]

Excellent demonstration. This is a good example of why I always say "engineering only exists on paper." In the world we live in today, people are trying so hard to hammer the round peg of *art* into the antiparallelogram hole of *science* and it just doesn't work. I've always used a clinch or Trilene on circle hooks and they worked just fine (never thought about a Uni, but I'll try it out too now that you've mentioned it).

[@ifishcatfish]

as long as you keep the line straight you in good shape

[@gilberttaylor2412]

Go through the front and out the back to snell a hook

[@ifishcatfish]

No.

[@angelpagan3118]

CIRCLE HOOK NO GOOD, THE FISH GET AWAY, I MISS MANY STRIPER BASS, THEY DO FOR LOSS A FISH, THE TRU🐟

[@ifishcatfish]

for striper bass i wouldn't fish with circle hook, indeed

[@dylanclay2741]

If it's law in your state to use inline circles and you get caught using J hooks it's a huge fine. Not the hooks fault you don't know how to use it. Guarantee you set it like a J hook. See it all the time at the local piers and they blame the hook when it's operator error

[@stevethepyro420]

Very useful information! Thank you sir!

[@ifishcatfish]

Hi Steve!

[@brucealmighty6442]

It's a logic explanation..thanks for the explanation 👍

[@ifishcatfish]

thank you sir!

[@bobbyspenser7304]

Thank you

[@MahmmedDauod]

Ok

[@jessicaandtrains7768]

I have to say I disagree. A circle hook is designed to rotate on a point like the lip. As you say. That's what makes it less likely to gut hook a fish or deep hook a fish. It doesn't encounter an edge on which to rotate. However it'll happily rotate and catch on the muscles that close the stomach when the hook goes deep in the stomach. Unfortunately I feel your video overlooks some things. Firstly the line is not rigid like wire. When the hook meets an edge and encounters resistance, then the angle between the line and the hook can change. Secondly a fish's mouth is 3 dimensional. The hook can rotate and catch on the lower lip, corner of the mouth or top lip. It's important the the line pulls from the front of the eye to achieve\enhance this rotation. To create a moment force. Try it by pulling across your palm and between two fingers. It'll usually catch on the way out as it's supposed to. A snelled hook will rotate more quickly in the desired direction than a hook tied with a palomar etc. I'm not sure who is talking about the backward rotation you showed? Probably as I don't live in the US. Yes that's definitely wrong. Exiting from the front of the eye pulls the hook correctly. I do like an out turned eye\octopus hook as it means less rotation is required as you seemed to show. Here in the UK we fish for carp and anglers like to incorporate a 'kicker' where they bend the line forward of the eye with a bit of silicon tube. This also enhances that pull from the front of the hook but it can also be quite restrictive and really reduce the gap between the shank and the point. Though for carp we don't use circle hooks. Carp tend to suck and blow where often the line will be slack. So a hook that will catch everywhere is desired. It would be interesting to recreate this video with supple braid line which would better demonstrate the hooking potential of a snelled circle hook.

[@ifishcatfish]

I leave all comments for people to read, but for what is worth, i find your post wrong on all important points, and too convoluted to be a good read. It is a waste of time as half of it is talking about something else. So i feel a little sorry for the poor fellow who spends 5 minutes reading this gibberish, but i will leave it nonetheless

[@warpedweirdo]

But there's a flaw in your argument. You're treating the line like it's rigid where it connects to the eye of the hook. It isn't; it flexes. And, when a hook is in a fish's mouth, being pulled out by line, the line's flexibility will let the hook rotate / move however it "wants" to. The line just above the knot, or the eye of the hook for a snell, forms the pivot, and an imaginary line drawn between that pivot and the point where the hook contacts the fish forms the lever. Everything else descends from that. What does it matter whether the pivot is positioned +-0.04" off the shaft centerline, or whether the pivot is directly in line with the shaft? It doesn't, because the line is so flexible that the tiny difference in rotational force generated by the tiny differences in angle and length of that lever have an even tinier effect on the speed and degree to which the hook will rotate. To summarize: line angle and position relative to the shaft is meaningless; the relationship between the pivot point and the point of contact with the fish is what matters. Differences in this relationship arising from variations in connection method are so minuscule as to be meaningless for purposes of evaluating catch rate.

[@ifishcatfish]

if you talk about normal fishing with normal line, i would agree that while my argument is true in theory, in practice it doesn't matter much. But if you talk about CATFISH fishing, thats different. I use 40 lb mono for tying that hook and that is already VERY thick and rigid line! Watch youtube and you will see people actually use 60 and 80 pound line for tying the hook! That line is so thick and so stiff, that extreme angle of the line with relation to the shank of the hook can indeed affect hookups.

[@ken244]

I think this video will have a trigger effect lol

[@ifishcatfish]

: )

[@01devilboy]

Would a perfection loop not work better than all these

[@ifishcatfish]

dont know that loop but as long as it comes out straight of the particular hook..

[@samehnicolareviews537]

I think it's not as you think, hook eye is designed to trigger hook into fish lips, i may make demonstration video and share it with you, regards

[@ifishcatfish]

nonsense. Yes, show me demonstration.

[@Francois_Dupont]

he is 100% and you are wrong.

[@jameskraft5105]

Very informative. Did not know this.

[@marklloyd6433]

I agree on the youtube experts. Also the culture of accepting assumptions as fact without question and repeating them goes well beyond youtube. Also the so called trigger effect does not work as they describe, which you show well. However, I am hesitant to fully dismiss the fact that a snell with the line exiting from back to front is not better. There may be something else we have not considered. There are actually scientific trials for hook and line fishing at sea on commercial rigs that statistically prove higher catches with this snell knot (I think with straight eye hooks). I am going to throw my own speculation in here.. the snell introduces an bend in the line (much more so than if the snell exited the other side of the hook) and this creates some storage of elastic energy when the fish pulls the hook away. This small amount of stored elastic energy when the line is straightenned (and wants to return to bent) creates a messier, more chaotic hook exit from the mouth, increasing the chance it pricks the lip of the mouth on exit, giving the characteristic perfect hookup you get from the circle hook. Either way, I am not confident using a uni knot knowing what I know from published scientific trials

[@ifishcatfish]

There are no scientific trials. I don't want into a debate, but watch the very end of the video, where i show you the pre-rigged hooks. Notice that all of them come with the line coming out straight from the shank of the hook. Manufacturers KNOW that is the right way, and they sell you proper prerigged hooks. Think why every japanese manufacturer sells prerrigged hooks with line coming out straight, and try to reconcile this with your legendary rumors of 'scientific trials'

[@marklloyd6433]

There is research. I read the research paper unless I was dreaming. I can't find it now but I haven't looked very hard. Anyway your argument that pre made rigs have it right is just as fallable as the argument that people on KZbin have it wrong. One thing I remember from the paper was that the knot tied directly at the eye, i.e. uniknot was by far the worst. This does not fit with your conclusions

[@ifishcatfish]

@@marklloyd6433 well, i have my logic, described in the video, and as evidence the tackle produced by japanese hook manufacturers. You can attack my logic by pointing some flaws in it. Or you can say WHY the fact that Owner and Gamakatsu sell prerigged hooks this way means nothing to you. You have to make some argument. You can't say that somewhere there exists research, but you can't find and nobody can find it, but it exists, therefore all of my logic is wrong, and Owner is wrong, and Gamakatsu is wrong, and we are all wrong because you say you read a paper. Come on, be reasonable.

[@marklloyd6433]

@@ifishcatfish Well I really had to check. I thought I may have even saved a bookmark years ago because I'm such a nerd... I thought I found the link but it is now broken, sadly. It was a link on the Internation Pacific Halibut Commission website but they have either removed or moved it and its not turning up in search. There are several references to it online from people who read it, so I know I wasn't dreaming.. "The IPHC (International Pacific Halibut Commission) does a lot of reserach on....Pacific halibut. They have a researcher there named Steve Kaimmer, a.k.a. "Halibut Steve." Through his research, which is very scientific, they have determined that when you put the loop through the FRONT (tip / barb side) of the eye of the circle hook, it results in a 30% increase in hooking versus putting th loop through the back side. It has to do with the way the hook rotates / levers upon final penetration." (bdoutdoors dot com) "Here's an interesting study that shows the importance of which direction the line exits the eye when snelling circle hooks for halibut. See figure 5 www.iphc.int/research/biology/hook.html" (thehulltruth dot com) There is probably a lot more research that is private, because im guessing long line fishing is an industry in the billions of dollars As for why the japanese hook manufacturers sell rigs with snell on a bent eye so it's straight: well, their goal is sell products, not inform customers that something that looks wrong is actually better.

[@whiskeykilmer1866]

Good information, thank you.

[@ifishcatfish]

thanks Whiskey!

[@cpwlaw]

Something to consider, for circle hooks try the perfection loop. It will allow the hook to rotate into the best position for setting. Also, if your fish happen to have teeth then it also gets the line out of their mouth and doubles the line where there may be abrasion. I have had toothy fish cut my snelled hooks where the line was wrapped around the shank. I quit using snelled hooks years ago. One other thing. The perfection loop will allow the hook to move around which can let minnows be more lively and other baits to have more action. Try it. If you do then remember that with the perfection loop you must set it with firm pressure. Properly setting the knot is critical. Practice making the loop as small as possible by adjusting the size of the loops during the tying process.

[@ifishcatfish]

I don't delete posts that I consider stupid, because someone may find them useful or at least interesting, so i will leave yours as well. However in my opinion your entire post is full of the NONSENSE that i was talking about in the video. Fantasies that are completely divorced from physics.

[@toddweller1852]

Excellent video

[@mikedobro2838]

Excellent demonstration

[@VincentKearney1967]

Thnx for the video Victor

[@tonykomer2997]

Actually to allow the hook to move freely which is actually ideal as it gives it tge best chance of proper positioning as tension increases as the fish swims off. Using a loop knot like a 3-5 turn surgeons knot. Even better which gives the ability to use any knit that has stronger break strength add a split ring to the eye . Tie on to that ring. The hook can easily rotate and align regardless of how the fish takes it into its mouth as it pulls toward the lip. You will notice most manf now offer circle hooks with a ring already attached. In this case the strongest knot is a Palomar when using mono/fuoro leader. If no ring and using a loop 3-5 turn surgeons or a rapala knot give tge best strength again with mono/frluoro leaders. Snelling works best with non circle hooks inline or canted back eyes. The eye orientation only effects whether or not you feed tge line thru tge eye or not. Personally for large fw and most sw where large diameter leader is used snelling takes more skill and really offers little in return vs a well tied Palomar. Heck if you wanted to you could even double up the line. I personally think many people like Snelling because the knit "looks professional:" regardless of what actual strength tests prove or the allowing of free movement of the hook position. Spells look cool thus they are the better choice.

[@ifishcatfish]

No, loop knot on the circle hook would definitely be the worst thing you can do. You cut the strength of the line in half, and then you will lose even more fish because when the hook reaches the lip, it will start tilting instead of catching hold. Whatever u do, just don't do loop knot, thats absurd

[@ShorrockPaul]

​@ifishcatfish but then why do manufacturers puy rings on circle hooks ? Won't that be same as the surgeon loop (except stronger of course)

[@atrkyhntr]

This is wrong SMH Fishing a circle hook in a Carolina setup will always pull the circle hook towards the rod tip due to the swivel stopping the line from pulling out & now pulling the line out of the mouth turning the hook into the lip as intended & getting a hookup each & Everytime No matter straight shank or offset Yeah that's the engineering part the creator of this instrumental video left out 🤟

[@ifishcatfish]

i didn't even understand your explanation. I don't know why people that disagree can never write a COHERENT argument. You just type some words and i waster 5 minutes trying to figure what you even mean, and still gave up at the end

[@bungarmy7201]

Really excellent ! Thank you !

[@warpedweirdo]

Nice explanation of why the "trigger effect" is a farce.

[@theowenssailingdiary5239]

Loop knot for circles; then it can articulate around the lip, and not 'flick' out.