iGPU Comparison - Intel HD Graphics 4000 vs 4600 - Ivy Bridge vs Haswell i7 3770 vs 4770

[@badass6300]

These iGPUs served their purpose back in the day, but they also made the die size a lot bigger, increasing the cost of the chip by a lot. Quick sync was the best part of them for people that needed it.

[@jims_junk]

Completely agree. I have a thinkpad with a k2000m quadro. I've used the laptop for video editing, capturing etc and really the quadro sucks. The built in ivy bridge igpu kicks its ass for 2d rendering. 3D stuff not so much but I'm not gaming or 3d Modeling on an old ThinkPad

[@AlfaPro1337]

WTF that's nonsense. All of the 4c/8t i7 from Sandy Bridge to Kaby Lake is literally US$350. 32nm > 22nm > 14nm same die size? You can delid them and measure.

[@badass6300]

@@AlfaPro1337 Intel obviously increased their profit margins with each new process node as you can see in their financial reports. There is a reason why the i3 10100f was 140$ instead 350$ like the i7 7700k, even though they were the same die size, Intel started selling at proper profit margins once competition came. That wasn't my point though, the iGPUs became bigger than the entire CPU, cache, I/O and memory controllers combined and without the iGPUs they'd cost half of what they costed intel to produce.

[@AlfaPro1337]

@@badass6300 What nonsense? They AREN'T TSMC, Intel has their own fab, and its own expenses. And you know what else was happening? Faildozer, which fails to live up to its expectations. Oh, Intel also has more diverse portfolio, server, NIC, SSD and FPGA. That doesn't contribute to Intel financials at all? What? You do know that AMD APU exist back then and the iGPU size is bigger than the Faildozer cores? And AMD is still selling a glorified low-end 6c for US$350 as in R5, when at that price, before Evil Su entered, it was AMD's top-end CPU with an increased in core count? Like I said, if Intel sell a US$350 4c/8t chip, everyone loses it, but if AMD does the same thing, but a gloried low-end SKU, everyone is fine?

[@badass6300]

@@AlfaPro1337 First of all, yes AMD's APUs always had a GPU bigger than the CPU, until Zen4, with those tiny 2CU/1WGP iGPUs. Second of all, nobody was talking about AMD here. Third if you actually read intel's financial reports through the years you'd know that their OEM and Server CPU/APU revenue made 80-95% of their total revenue. 95%+ of their fabs are used by themselves, so they don't directly give them profits like TSMC. Fourth I absolutely agree, The Ryzen 5 3600(X) should have been an 8 core/16 thread 250$ chip, since it was tiny on that 7nm process node and the I/O was done on a super cheap process node. AMD literally doubled their profit margins from 23% to 45% in 2019 with the release of Zen2(Ryzen 3000) and RDNA1(RX 5000). Fifth Intel's profit margins grew and grew until 2015, when they just flat-lined at 50%, then due to shortages and finally firing all the cheap labor and hiring proper engineers their expenses went up and their profit margins went down due to competition. You are more emotional than a teenage girl. Finally I own AMD, Intel and Nvidia all at the same time and they ALL ABSOLUTELY SUCK. See I'm not a fanboy of anyone, I actually have been saying 2008 for CPUs and 2012 for GPUs that they are milking us, but nobody listened. Now you see how they are keeping us on a 6 core/12 thread CPU for 7 years and GPUs are overpriced to oblivion, because nobody listens to anyone, except dumb youtubers.

[@rickh8380]

Great video. Thanks for the information. I run my i7-3770 with a GTX 1650 Super. Probably a huge bottleneck, but heck it works great for me. Thanks for sharing. Take care.

[@jims_junk]

Thanks appreciate that! Yeah shit if it works, then what's the problem. How I always look at it.

[@rickh8380]

@@jims_junk Thanks. 👍

[@-x21-]

If it makes you feel any better I'm running a 2600k with a GTX 1070. The only thing that saves me is the 1100mhz overclock.

[@worawatli8952]

I am commenting on this on my Intel i7 4770 running on Z87K with M.2, I've just realized that it had been so long and I don't feel like needing an upgrade, I mostly work on 2d graphics and only play older games, so it is more than enough. It remembered it was a very big jump from older gens, so it is still good for many people. The onboard graphic is something I never think about as I have a graphic card.

[@jims_junk]

Completely agree! Hey, if it works for you then what's the issue...know what i mean? I also am using that same 4770 in my workbench pc. Used to use the 3770 but figured I'd upgrade just for the hell of it. Regardless it still works fine. I even edit some videos on it. Now what we all need in my opinion is a decent operating system. Personally I hate windows 10, despise 11. Love linux but for desktop use, all the interfaces still have a long way to go in my opinion.

[@q1337]

Writing this on my i7 4770k z87, I played the entirety of Cyberpunk 2077 without issue on this thing and my 1060 3gb, Sadly newer games started hitting its limit (Cities skylines 2 100% usage 100% of the time on a larger city) but majority of the games I play are still of the 2014-2016 era so all good until an AMD upgrade ;)

[@Italian_Isaac_Clarke]

Very nice. I have a 4770 so I wanted to see here how it performs without GPU. Decently, I'd say.

[@iSamYTBackup]

yeah portal 2 runs on anything a celeron 1007u a 1.5ghz dual c9re with no ht also laptop chip with hd 3000 graphics i can recall that portal 2 ran at like 30 fps

[@AliceC993]

If I recall, it was vaguely playable (15-20 fps) on even weaker hardware than that; I once owned an Acer Aspire subnotebook with a _Core 2 Solo_ and, iirc, GMA 4500MHD graphics. In other words, effectively as fast as a Pentium 4 2.8-3.0

[@ClayWheeler]

When creating iGPU video, you should also include KZbin video playback by showing Stats for Nerds. That will be gaining instant amounts of views Because it's frequently searched keywords

[@jims_junk]

I did record that on each but it was drama free. Both worked with zero dropped frames. Plus the capture on one was messed up so I just left it out.

[@ClayWheeler]

@@jims_junk no, I mean, the method to test KZbin video playback, VP09 and AV01. Use Noisestorm Crab Rave music video, because you will not get Copyright Strike with that video. Whether if the iGPU will playback VP09 or AV01 can be set from your preference or the Browser itself. And then, when playback the video, show the stats from GPU-Z sensors as well. To prove a point if the video playback using CPU or iGPU. Based on my own test, Core i7 4790K iGPU is definitely kicking in when playing back any VP09 and AV01 video. And the CPU stall at around 10% usage, stock clock, no OC. If I'm not mistaken, the iGPU on Core i7 3770 might not be kicking in when playback VP09 or AV01 video, because all playback load are sent to the CPU. So that's the point of the test, whether or not the iGPU kicking in, or the CPU. Even if there's no Dropped Frames, you gotta show the GPU-Z sensors as well side-by-side

[@Super123456789Kuba]

In my opinion, having a 3Gen iGPU was already better than dealing with GeForce 210. I can tell you that much.

[@jims_junk]

OOOOO that might be an interesting test. A Sandybridge or ivy bridge, vs an nvidia 710

[@matthewday7565]

I bought a Geforce 210 a few weeks ago, so I can put my current tester, a GT730 into some old clunker where it will be more than adequate. The 210 cost me a whole 6 quid... don't think I could get fish and chips for that!

[@Super123456789Kuba]

@@jims_junk Probably 710 would be a better competitor to Intel iGPUs and such than 210 ever would.

[@jims_junk]

@@Super123456789Kuba welllllll. I'll have to find a 210 someday but the results of a 710 against the Haswell igpu arent what I expected. I'll have the vid up later this week. Still editing.

[@Super123456789Kuba]

@@jims_junk Huh... Well, Curious to see what you've got from those tests then.

[@arnislacis9064]

My brother have PC with Core i5 4570 (with HD 4600), he played Roblox just fine, recently I put my old Radeon RX 590 8GB, after I upgraded to Intel ARC A750 LE GPU.

[@NeonTheWeeb]

Im still using an i5 3320m as my daily and the igpu is pretty good at playing older games.

[@matthewday7565]

20 execution units vs 16 ... the Broadwell i7-5775C fits 1150 and has Iris Pro 6200 with 48 execution units... the Xeon E3-1285 V4 has Iris Pro P6300 and is not an awful price on aliexpress

[@jims_junk]

Think that'll be one of the next things I check out. Not sure but the 1150 board I have might support Broadwell. There were two I was looking at and don't remember which I picked up.

[@Raptor_3_fire_37]

0:58 that i7 is running at 2.8 volts!! 😮

[@aksGJOANUIFIFJiufjJU21]

maybe false positive or something idk

[@jims_junk]

LOL WTF .yeah that can't be right, didn't even notice that

[@sevenatenine_7]

Yeah sometimes it displays inaccurate voltages, my motherboard shows some 110 and 130 degree tempins, but i assume its inaccurate cus no way a motherboard can handle that much without destroying itself

[@aksGJOANUIFIFJiufjJU21]

@@sevenatenine_7 If the motherboard was that hot, it'd definitely be melted, I think your cpu has to be 85 c degrees for a period of time for the motherboard to start melting, but I think that can happen from anything My dad used to bitcoin mine, he did it so much his vram got shredded and the motherboard melted, the motherboard still works after 10 years but the power supply died

[@CougarCat21]

LOL! Insane power consumption!

[@badass6300]

May I ask how much is the total system power draw(not from the wall) when you stress test the machine with prime95 along with prime95 + furmark on the iGPU? I'm asking because I'm getting a PC(for my parents) with the i5 4460 and the PSU's 12V rail is only 18amps(216W) and I want to put a 75W GPU in it(RX 460). Literally no review that is left online shows the actual power consumption of the CPU + Motherboard + RAM, only the power consumption from the wall.

[@jims_junk]

Off hand I'm not sure what wattage the 12 v rail uses.

[@ClayWheeler]

You can still use GTX 1050 Ti that doesn't have PCIe power connector, and it will peak at 75 watt indeed if you crank up the games you're playing. However with Core i5 4460 , and GTX 1050 Ti, both will end up at 159 Watt (assuming CPU + GPU only) and add some more fans and HDD into assumption, 164 Watt more or less. More than enough headroom for 216 watt Power Supply. Statistically speaking, GTX 1050 Ti 75 Watt is faster than RX 460 and RX 570. Also the weird thing about RX 570, there are 2 variants of GPU with and without PCIe power connector. The one with PCIe power connector turned out to be faster than GTX 1050 Ti. Perhaps because RX 570 75 watt is artificially limited on the GPU Chip so it's slower than GTX 1050 Ti, but faster if it has PCIe power connector.

[@badass6300]

@@ClayWheeler I don't have a 1050Ti, but I just undervolted the i5 4460 by 0.1V and the power consumption with prime95 dropped from 51W to 37W and if we assume the worst case scenario the 2.5 inch SSD + 3.5 inch HDD + 2 fans + Z87M Motherboard = 70-80W I have a lot of headroom. And I looked online the rx 460 can be undervolted to consume 47-50W without touching the clock speeds. So worst case scenario it will be 167W.

[@ClayWheeler]

@@badass6300 my own Calculation didn't even consider Undervolting. It's just 164 Watt already with HDD and some 120mm fans. I assume the Z87M Motherboard is using 8 pins EPS Connector for the CPU? Don't plug all 8 Pins then, because tor Core i5 4460 can use 4 pins just fine. Just split the EPS power connector and try which half of the power connector is recognised by the Core i5. (Leaving the other half hanging). Don't plug the GPU yet, make sure which half is accepted. Just a reminder that 8 pins EPS CPU power connector is rated at 300 watt. 4 pins simply means 150 watt. Obviously it's not gonna draw 150 watt all the time, but the 12v rail can be focused more for the 24 pins ATX power connector when you split the EPS Connector in half. So the 24 pins receive more juice for 75 watt PCIe slot. If you are not sure, you can record your own video using your phone maybe, and then upload that video to your own KZbin. I will comment from there

[@badass6300]

@@ClayWheeler After the undervolt, the PC consumes 94W on full load of the CPU + RAM with prime95 from the wall(I used a watt meter), it's a generic 80+ PSU, so let's just assume 80% efficiency that means it draws 75-80W from the PSU in a torture test, I assume I can add 10W for the HDD + SSD if they were at 100% load while the CPU is at 100% load well for a total of 90W absolute worst case scenario without the GPU. And nothing makes the CPU consume as much power, cinebench only reaches 31W on the CPU and 83W from the wall. I have more than enough power I think. Also the CPU is using a 4 pin cable only, since the PSU doesn't have an 8 pin for the CPU.

[@chazbotic]

i was going to comment on the other video that the HD 4600 can handle about double the distance render of minecraft, even able to use some of the fancier settings. left 4 dead after work hours on company laptops were some good times.

[@jims_junk]

pffft I'd never game on a company laptop.......btw Entropia ran great on company core2quad HP laptops :-) and thanks also, you just got me thinkin, maybe I should include minecraft as a bench for some stuff. Never really played it much, so gotta figure out how to do that

[@chazbotic]

@@jims_junk big thing in minecraft for igpu is chunk and render distance, shaders are a lost cause until much more recent integrated solutions but rumors were that pocket edition was more forgiving overall. minecraft's OGL implementation over the years is a handy test of compatibility too. supposedly a starting point is 8 chunks, tiny distance, and fast settings, with UHD igpu's being able to increase from there.

[@jims_junk]

@chazbotic thank you!

[@kirishima638]

iGPUs started to get good with the 5000. Big performance boost in my experience. They’re better than they have any right to be.

[@rvalent9366]

some years ago i had to play lol on hd 4600 and i5 4670 and it was fine

[@dabombinablemi6188]

I was amazed at how well the iGPU in my old i5 4440 was able to run some older games. Far smoother performance in Oblivion than with a 1GB Mobility Radeon HD5650 (overclocked to near desktop clocks) - though part of that running worse was the laptop's original Phenom II P920 and later N970 being a bottleneck.

[@jims_junk]

Ya know, someone else also commented about them being better than some cheap amd or nvidia gpu's....might just have to do a vid comparing the igpu to an nvidia 710 . What do you think, ivybridge or haswell?

[@dabombinablemi6188]

@@jims_junk Definitely Haswell.

[@jims_junk]

@@dabombinablemi6188 Will Do!

[@jims_junk]

@@dabombinablemi6188 Now I just need to remember what I did with my 710. Probably holding up an end table somewhere.

[@dabombinablemi6188]

@@jims_junk Question is though, was it the Kepler or Fermi version? Because the Fermi version should be well under half the performance of the Kepler models just looking at the specs.

[@randomrc601]

Nice mate.. i have ... 3770 seem better

[@virgoleo7985]

I want upgrade my laptop i5 4300m into i7 4800mq, it's that wise to do ?

[@jims_junk]

most laptops these days don't use socketed cpu's, they're soldered to the board. If however yours isn't, give it a shot. Make sure the board supports it first, also cooling might be an issue.

[@CougarCat21]

Can both run FEAR decently?

[@amdintelxsniperx]

the funny thing was the iris igpu obliterated the haswell

[@Scornfull]

I honestly can't think of a reason why you would want to play at 30 fps personally even a potato PC can run modernish games at 60 fps

[@jims_junk]

its not about wanting to, its about having to. Growing up I played Carmageddon on my powerpc 6100 mac. Often i got 2fps. But my friends and I played it because its all we had.

[@q1337]

you never experienced the Pentium integrated non HD graphics gameplay, I remember playing an MMORPG on this horrible laptop and feeling lucky when I got 15fps on absolutely lowest settings. HD integrated is if nothing a great savior for these kinds of scenarios.