II Thessalonians 2 Explained: What is the Falling Away & the Day of Christ?

In this video we discuss the Day of Christ, the falling away, the great delusion, and the one "who letteth" from II Thessalonians 2:
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[@Biblical_Mystery]

No matter what challenges you're facing, know that you are not alone. God goes ahead of you, supports you in the present, and remains a guiding presence behind you. Walk with confidence, for God is with you through it all. Amen 🙏🤗🌈

[@sonyamihaylova1433]

Amen!

[@andybasnight91]

We are about to leave this world, don’t be conformed to it. God bless

[@davidwoods6015]

You don't have to leave the planet because heaven is coming to us. The new heaven and new earth and Ps.110.!!!!!!! John 14 is filled with deceased saints, bodiless until the resurrection and 2nd coming.!!!!!!

[@theHoff1974]

Outstanding. Context is always king when interpreting scripture. Its tempting to read the word with the purpose of having it confirm presupposed ideas.

[@doughammond8932]

The Holy Spirit is our King and Teacher. While context is meaningful, and the Holy Spirit has certainly taught me to consider it, the carnal mind studying the scriptures, even paying attention to context, will still fail to understand. I'm trying to say, no hermeneutic is a substitute for the Holy Spirit. A man is not able to understand the spiritual truth of the scriptures by himself, no matter how careful and diligent his study. "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." 1 Cor 2:14

[@bugsocsollie1694]

Yes, but he didn't use context. He imported context. Paul's context was our gathering together unto Him. Our Departure. We are out of the way before the man of sin is revealed. He is revealed when he confirms Israel's covenant for one week: Israel's 70th week. Israel's 70th week will no longer be a dispensing of Grace, but a dispensing of judgment and Wrath and testing. The Body of Christ Church is outta here before God goes back to dealing with Israel according to their prophecy.

[@felixgilberto25]

I love this channel. I instantly subscribed

[@AMBoss8561]

For what it is worth, I give you 95% agreement of what I believe. After studying in depth "He who now restrains until He is taken out of the way. . . " refers to the Holy Spirit; you said God, so that is arguable as to whether we agree. However, unlike most pre-tribbers, although the restraining may cease with the removal of the Church, I do not believe the restraining is because the Holy Spirit is removed because of the Church. The "taken out of the way" is not a removal, but rather, the Holy Spirit no longer stands between a person and evil and thus evil will be able to proceed unhindered. However, the restraining may continue after the Rapture for a day, month, year or even longer--we really have no scripture that clarifies why and until when the restraining exist or whether the cessation is instantaneous or gradual, only that it will cease.

[@cliffords2315]

He is Archangel Michael who is Holding Satan and his angels back, he Lets him go, is cast down to Earth with his Angels, ..............The Holy Spirit Is NEVER Taken away, as a mater of fact when Satan as Antichrist is on Earth, Thats when God Pours out his Spirit upon All Flesh, Miracles from Christians all over the world will be Seeing Visions, Dreaming Dreams and Speaking in the "Cloven Tongue' that goes out to all Languages, no interpretation needed. Take the Holy Spirit away from Gods People? God Forbid. Thats Nonsense

[@nadiarivera4373]

Sharing what the 1599 Geneva Bible says : Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a departing first, and that that man of sin be disclosed, even the son of perdition.

[@donsavinsky2251]

...AND THE NEXT 6 TRANSLATIONS AGREE WITH JUST " DEPARTURE" WHICH CAN EASILY MEAN THE RAPTURE. BLESSINGS

[@thomasordal8229]

I agree with. " departure first"

[@trulyso734]

@@donsavinsky2251 welll..... as long as you know you are reading into that what it doesnt explicitly state.. and that if you're wrong, you'd be able to recognize the antichrist beasts and not fall away just before that rapture I trust there is grace enough from God to hang on.. as well as to be ready to go at any time (a day we shall not know and that will take all by surprise). Maybe He has appointed each to have the measure of faith and grace to go through what we may live through, all in His good will.

[@mikeforfar9493]

​@@thomasordal8229departure is a departure from the truth. Not a departure from the earth. The Greek word is apostasia. Nothing to do with a rapture.

[@shereewolfe5337]

@@mikeforfar9493Liddell and Scott Greek Lexicon states that apostasia has two definitions. 1. Physical departure from one place to another and 2. Spiritual defection or departure from faith. Context determines the meaning. Apostasia is made up of two words, apo and stasia. Apo means: a motion away from a place or person, the separation of apart from the whole. It is a state of separation, that is of distance - either physical: of distance of place, or temporal: of distance of time. Stasia means: a standing, to stand, exist, have stability. It comes from the root word: Stasis. Together they mean a standing away from, a drawing out from, a separation away from, or a going out from among. This fits exactly with the images of the “great escape” and the “gathering together” of scripture. Apostasia is the feminine form of apostasion, which is a derivative form of aphistēmi, all of which refer to a departure from someone or something. We can’t be dogmatic on the definition, it has two. We have to look at the context. Is 2 Thess 2 talking about spiritual defection, or is Paul referring to our gathering together to Christ, v. 1?

[@bruce8961]

The Falling away Started about 85yrs ago with the Invention of Radio, telephone, and with TV, It picked up Speed. Then Cellphones even faster. And Now with computers, internet in everyone's hands, The Falling Away is and has happened faster than a super Sonic missile. We now have the World we are Living in and It's getting Darker by the day

[@codymcmurry7511]

Satan has to have the technology in my opinion for his plan to take root it has grown from its early stages but the stage is all set for antichrist to show up and what if the modern hospital system is apart of the plan they take so much info and store it all into something but what is the last phase before we .see what it is?

[@charliekamerer7023]

Listen to Paul's teaching! Why stop at the radio? How about the automobile? The industrial revolution? The printing press? Stop trying to manipulate history to calculate eternity and trust God's providence. The end may not come for a hundred eras yet those who die in Christ are secure.

[@arnulfoforonda7534]

Thank you Josh!

[@charliekamerer7023]

Thank you. Your analysis and teaching is inspired.

[@judyp3582]

I use to think I would be one of the dead in Christ, but now I think I'll be we who are alive.

[@cc.critcher7829]

😅

[@bobvanderberg866]

Could the falling away be the church not following true Bible teaching

[@jameschaffey6458]

I am 80, been in church my whole life, raised in a house with a prayer room 20x40’ stain glass windows where we had family devotions 5 days a week. After hearing all views of eschatology and listening to your podcast, my conclusion is. According to Thessalonians 2 Chapter 2. that the day of Christ is the Rapture that takes place after the falling away, which is happening now and the man of lawlessness is revealed at anytime now. His revealing will be a ongoing thing to those who are waiting and watching for Christ return. I believe the tribulation will start right after the rapture on very close after. There is still thing that need to be done before the rapture can take place. More needs to be done to get ready for the third Temple to be built in order for the Antichrist to set himself up in the Temple to be worshipped. Israel needs to be in a better position then they are right now. In order for that to happen the Antichrist needs to be revealed who will help Israel build the Temple. The Antichrist has to be Jewish borne of satan seed and will fulfill Old Testament prophecy about the Jewish Messiah in order to deceive both Jews and dead so called Christians. There is no way this can be accomplished without the Antichrist being Jewish. The Scripture says he came unto His own and they received Him not, but one will come his own name that they will receive. So much more to say in order to put all the pieces together

[@markhauserbible7168]

2Thes 2:3 What part of That DAY (Rapture) shall NOT COME until the man of sin (Antichrist) is REVEALED? (Visibly) Also, Mt24:29,31 Jesus said IMMEDIATLY AFTER the tribulation. Vs 31 Shall GATHER (Resurrect) his elect. How hard are these scriptures to understand?

[@XYZ-qi8fl]

@markhauserbible7168 There hard for those who don't want to go through anything for Christ. You know Jesus paid it all and Jesus wouldn't beat up his bride. I'm being sarcastic. But those are their sayings. By the way, you might enjoy the Masters Voice Prophecy Blog. Her name is Celestial and she has a blog. I've grown a ton since 2020 from that. I'm a lot more ready for persecution now than I was. Thank God for that.

[@XYZ-qi8fl]

How do you know the antichrist setting himself in the temple doesn't mean human temples. The Bible does say we are temples. This generation will take technology into their bodied. The word for that is transhumanism. And also, I had a dream in 2020 that Obama is the man of sin and that persecution is coming. This man is right now behind the scenes in the White House and will be coming into full view. I really didn't have to share this because so many people blow me off or just say we'll see. But where is the urgency to get ready and be ready to stand up urgently for our king. Or will Jesus be met with an embarrassing no.

[@markhauserbible7168]

Thank you brother or sister. When you hear someone say Jesus wouldn't BEAT up his Bride. Ask them did Jesus BEAT up the Apostles? Or was it Satan? Pre-tribers replace Jesus with Satan in many scriptures like Dan 9:27 (It's not the antichrist but Jesus) Rev6:1-2 (It's not antichrist but Jesus) Yours in Christ@@XYZ-qi8fl

[@jessehide7606]

The antichrist should be from middle east, most probably an Arab person. I think he is the muslims' mahdi.

[@user-vt9jd4tc5h]

Sounds right on to me brother, bless you great work

[@nitarenfrow5967]

I think you are correct good video thought provoking ❤

[@rgene3707]

NAILED IT! EXCELLENT BIBLE STUDY!

[@JTHill-ed7qe]

I love how you male your points ( great points I'd say ) and yet, don't call them "facts" and are open to other interpretations. I myself am a pre-trib guy because it very much seems that way to me according to the scriptures but I never tell anyone that THIS IS RIGHT, YOU'RE WRONG! I've had people act that way about their points like they're right and I'm doomed if I don't accept that! Pre-trib, mid-trib, post-trib, is not essential to the faith, what is essential is belief in Jesus Christ, the Trinity and being born again. That's what saves us. I did subscribe. God Bless ☝️ ✝️ 🙏 🙌

[@Zanzans000]

Well said. Point is be always on the ready.

[@MaxvanBrian]

I believe this!

[@mikelyons2831]

Interesting perspective. However, can you not see that every first world country (especially those of Christian heritage/founding) have gone secular & have not only embraced transgender/homosexuality & wokeness, but are now very opposed to all-things Christian??

[@2Thes22]

From this passage, the Day of Christ is defined as a period which commences with the Coming of the Lord and our gathering together to him (rapture). Paul is simply expounding on the rapture in 1 Thes. 4:17 with 2 Thes. 2:2 NKJV. “Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come.”

[@adelevisser8579]

God have everything. And no one is more. God is the Alfa and Omega King of Kings Lord of Lords....so Jesus Christ 🙏 is coming

[@Bestrong61]

I believe you are right on the mark

[@Talalansardeen33]

Grace and thanks👍💐👏 3.5

[@tnyeh]

I believe everything you said was definitely correct.

[@benwalker578]

The falling away has been ongoing for the last 30 or 40 years! Its been a slow development! Not all at once! Just because that's what people thought doesn't make it so. Our country has been pushing God out of everything as long as I can remember! The falling away is still going on too! This hasn't been a Christian country since before 9/11. God tried to wake us up but we just went right back to sleep!

[@darrellboone9274]

Just the last 30 or 40 years?🤨

[@jameskelly5872]

I think you are exactly right about everything you spoke of in this video.

[@helenerickson2195]

1599 Geneva Bible Version Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there comes a departing first, and that that man of sin be disclosed, even the son of perdition. - 2 Thessalonians 2:3 ...a departing first...means physical not spiritual. Dr. Andy Woods wrote a book called "The Falling Away" to clarify the verse true meaning. It is worthy to read.

[@helenerickson2195]

Spiritual departure is never new issue, it is from the beginning of evangelist.

[@alsalang9772]

If you look the Greek manuscripts the meaning is apostasia: falling away from faith. It is clear it's not rapture.

[@normmcinnis4102]

I find that the "falling away" is the rapture which is the one thing that brings out the Man of sin. He then "makes the Covenant for one week (the time of Jacob's trouble) with Israel allowing them to rebuild the temple and resumes the animal sacrifices. In the middle of this "week" , he breaks the covenant and brings in the Abomination of Desolation.

[@maniwakipeter]

AMEN

[@michaelrice4591]

Paul makes it perfectly clear in 2 Tim, that some will depart the faith. He does however NOT define what is supposedly "fallen away" from. If it was the faith he would have said so as he does in 2 Tim. In 2 Thess. It should be noted that the first 5 Bibles that were ever written did NOT define aposticia as falling away, but rather defined the word as departure. You can see this for yourself on line. Seen from this perspective the whole chapter flows together, especially at the end with " Comfort yourselves " What comfort would there be in " Maybe I will fall away" Pre trib rapture ? Again, the same verse, we DEPART, then the man of sin is revealed. It's plainly written out. Yet some either can't see it, or choose to ignore it.

[@trulyso734]

In my read, the comfort is in the reminder (past teachings that Paul himself affirm) that there is still a Blessed Hope in the Lord who is with and for us, and will be back as promised in 1Thess 4-5. But not to panic beforehand wondering if their persecution is from the Lord (the Lord's judgements falling on them, or as if the great tribulation is before them already). This is from my own experience of God's reminder of this word anyway. Blessings in Christ,

[@user-hv2fu7vc6l]

perfect

[@Dexion845]

This is a perfect example of what a "transliteration" gone wild looks like. Translating from Koine Greek and inserting a definition that was not confirmed. I studied this for a long time. The Word in 2 Thessalonians 2:3 is apostasia which is Greek for "departure" the word can be used in two ways. A simple departure, just like a flight, or a political defection. The word in its basic for simply means "Apo" = move away from "Stacia" = current position it implies a desertion, like if you just ran out of somewhere. It can be used literally and figuratively but most Bible translators decided to go with the figurative stance... But that's problematic because we have absolutely NO IDEA what this figurative departure is and we're left to make up our own idea, all denominations have done this. In simple terms Paul simply stated that the Man of Sin cannot appear until *_The Departure_* happens first. You have to find out what departure he's talking about and that's not hard to find out because he just talked about it in 1 Thessalonians But let's say it's not this way. Let's say Paul was using it to mean its other definition. So now what exactly is THE (used as a noun here) falling away from the faith that happens here? It's impossible for us to know The Catholics say this is the Protestant Reformation, the SDA Church say this is the departure to Sunday instead of keeping the Sabbath.... so on and so forth, if we are to take this route it's simply impossible to know what Paul's talking about because it was not explained with any context supporting it.

[@roguedriver6472]

Good job knowing those facts

[@eppiegallegos102]

​2THESS 2:1. Now we beseech you, brethren , by the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ ( before Jesus Christ comes in the clouds of glory, His coming in His saints it's called the epiphanie a corporate body of the man - child ministry, the 2 witnesses to minister to the church in the tribulation Rev 12:5,6; 2Thess 1:10, Hos 6:1-3; psalm 149:5-9; Isa 60:1,2; Acts 2:16-21; Rev 10:9-11; to preach the everlasting gospel to all creation ), and by our gathering together unto Him ( we gather unto Jesus Christ not religion nor denominations or man ) 2. That ye be not soon shaken in mind ( that's your soul area ), or be troubled, neither by spirit (wrong revelation, doctrines of demons , religious spirits , anti-christ spirit 1Jn 4:1-6; 2Jn verse 7; 2Pet 2:1-3; 1Tim 4:1 ), nor by word ( what's being preached, or taught, Lk 8:15. Jesus told His disciples to be careful with the leaven of the pharisees those are the preacher's of today, and to be careful with the leaven of herod that's your government ), nor by letter ( books, magazine's ,tracks ), as from us, as that the day of the Lord is at hand. 3. Let no man ( preacher, pastor, teacher, false prophet ) deceive ( beguile, trick you, tickle your ear ) by any means: for that day shall not come ( the coming of the Lord ), Except there come a falling away first ( Apostasy defecting from the truth, a great rebellion. 1Tim4:1; 2Tim3:1-5; 2Pet 2:3; Jude 18; Jn 6:66=666) , and the man of sin ( inside of each of us is the man of sin it's called the old man ) be revealed the son of perdition ( Judas iscariot was called the son of perdition by Jesus in Jn 17:12; Jn 13:26,27 SOP means son of perdition or destruction ). 4.Who opposeth and exalteth himself ( we must not exalt Self, the old man, the carnal man, the earthly man, the devilish man, the beastly nature of man, psalms 73:22 King David said , So foolish was I, and ignorant: I was as a beast before thee. We must deny Self, Matt 10:38,39; and die to Self the old man has to be crucified, the book of Roman's is the 6th book in the NT, chapter 6, and verse 6=666, the old man has to be crucified, so the born again, spiritual man, born from above. Christ in you the hope of glory rules your temple) above all that is called God, or is worshipped ( man likes to be worshipped, Self likes to be worshipped, false prophets, pastors, teachers, false apostles, Christian artists, even people in the secular world etc. Just like Lucifer Isa 14:13,14; Ezek 28:1-9; 2Tim 3:1-5; 2Cor 11-1-15 ); so he as God sitteth( look where he sitteth )in the temple of God ( we are the temple of God, God does not dwell in temples made with human hands, our spiritual man is the Holy of holies, the soul is the Holy place, the body is the outer court, Acts 17:24,25; 1Cor 3:16,17; ), shewing himself ( there's that word Self ) that he is God.5. Remember ye not, that when I was yet with you, I told you these things ( the apostle Paul always warned the church of Christ Jesus ) ? 6. And now ye know what withholdeth ( restraineth means to hold back ) that he ( the son of perdition ) might be revealed in his time ( let's go back to verse 3 and will see when the son of perdition will be revealed at the falling away first ).7. For the mystery of iniquity ( lawlessness ) doth already work ( it was already working in Paul's day ): only he ( the Holy Ghost ) who now letteth will let, until he ( the son of perdition ) be taken out of the way, or come out of the midst ( it's a corporate body of son of perdition in the temple of Christ spiritualy speaking, just as Judas iscariot was, the disciples didn't have a clue it was Judas iscariot until he betrayed Jesus Christ with a kiss, when he dip the Sop into the dish satan entered him, and history is going to repeat itself again, the sons of perdition are going to betray the brothers to death. Matt 24:9,10 ) 8. And then shall that Wicked be revealed ( in the NT, they are corporate bodies, Jesus has His body and that's the true church in means called out one's out of religious babylonian churches . Satan also has a body and it's all the children of disobedience among the people of God, the tares, and the goat's, they have a anti christ spirit ). Whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of His mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of His coming.9. Even him ( it's a corporate body of false prophets, Jesus said many false prophets not prophet but many would come in His name. Many serve a different Jesus and a different gospel and a different spirit ) whose coming is after the working of Satan ( that's his body the sons of perdition 2Cor 11:4,13-15; Gal 1:6-9 )with all power and signs (all kinds of deceptions, and counterfeit,) and lying wonders.( Jesus saidm if it were possible the elect could be deceived )10. And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness( 1Jn 2:15-29; James 4:4 )in them ( the apostate people of God )that perish; because they received not the love of the Truth, ( the real true Gospel , they were spiritually blind to truth Isa 66:4), that they might be saved.11. And for this cause God shall send them a strong delusion, ( listen now ) that they should believe a lie ( such as a pre- rapture ) : That they all might damned who believe not the Truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness." My brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus our Lord said He would send the comforter the Holy Ghost and He would be with us and in us, and lead us into all truth. If you have the love of the truth you will not be deceived by the false prophets, and many doctrines of religion and denominations out there. CHRIST IS NOT DIVIDED INTO RELIGION OR DENOMINATIONS. Those are babylonian churches. The Mother Harlot has many daughters, and she and her daughters persecuted Jesus and the apostles and handed them over to be Roman beast of that time. Rev 17:56; Rev 18:24, Matt 23; and history repeats itself again, it's going to happen to the church the body of Christ in the tribulation, if the church believes it or not. You ain't going to fly away, or be raptured up unless you die before the tribulation. The church of Christ Jesus will prevail and come out victoriously and give her life for the Master and Saviour Jesus Christ our Lord. Rev 6:9-11; Rev 13:7; Rev 12:11; and Rev 15:2; Rev 20:4,6

[@jash7401]

There was a falling away before Paul finished his ministry.

[@eppiegallegos102]

@@jash7401 2THESS 2:1. Now we beseech you, brethren , by the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ ( before Jesus Christ comes in the clouds of glory, His coming in His saints it's called the epiphanie a corporate body of the man - child ministry, the 2 witnesses to minister to the church in the tribulation Rev 12:5,6; 2Thess 1:10, Hos 6:1-3; psalm 149:5-9; Isa 60:1,2; Acts 2:16-21; Rev 10:9-11; to preach the everlasting gospel to all creation ), and by our gathering together unto Him ( we gather unto Jesus Christ not religion nor denominations or man ) 2. That ye be not soon shaken in mind ( that's your soul area ), or be troubled, neither by spirit (wrong revelation, doctrines of demons , religious spirits , anti-christ spirit 1Jn 4:1-6; 2Jn verse 7; 2Pet 2:1-3; 1Tim 4:1 ), nor by word ( what's being preached, or taught, Lk 8:15. Jesus told His disciples to be careful with the leaven of the pharisees those are the preacher's of today, and to be careful with the leaven of herod that's your government ), nor by letter ( books, magazine's ,tracks ), as from us, as that the day of the Lord is at hand. 3. Let no man ( preacher, pastor, teacher, false prophet ) deceive ( beguile, trick you, tickle your ear ) by any means: for that day shall not come ( the coming of the Lord ), Except there come a falling away first ( Apostasy defecting from the truth, a great rebellion. 1Tim4:1; 2Tim3:1-5; 2Pet 2:3; Jude 18; Jn 6:66=666) , and the man of sin ( inside of each of us is the man of sin it's called the old man ) be revealed the son of perdition ( Judas iscariot was called the son of perdition by Jesus in Jn 17:12; Jn 13:26,27 SOP means son of perdition or destruction ). 4.Who opposeth and exalteth himself ( we must not exalt Self, the old man, the carnal man, the earthly man, the devilish man, the beastly nature of man, psalms 73:22 King David said , So foolish was I, and ignorant: I was as a beast before thee. We must deny Self, Matt 10:38,39; and die to Self the old man has to be crucified, the book of Roman's is the 6th book in the NT, chapter 6, and verse 6=666, the old man has to be crucified, so the born again, spiritual man, born from above. Christ in you the hope of glory rules your temple) above all that is called God, or is worshipped ( man likes to be worshipped, Self likes to be worshipped, false prophets, pastors, teachers, false apostles, Christian artists, even people in the secular world etc. Just like Lucifer Isa 14:13,14; Ezek 28:1-9; 2Tim 3:1-5; 2Cor 11-1-15 ); so he as God sitteth( look where he sitteth )in the temple of God ( we are the temple of God, God does not dwell in temples made with human hands, our spiritual man is the Holy of holies, the soul is the Holy place, the body is the outer court, Acts 17:24,25; 1Cor 3:16,17; ), shewing himself ( there's that word Self ) that he is God.5. Remember ye not, that when I was yet with you, I told you these things ( the apostle Paul always warned the church of Christ Jesus ) ? 6. And now ye know what withholdeth ( restraineth means to hold back ) that he ( the son of perdition ) might be revealed in his time ( let's go back to verse 3 and will see when the son of perdition will be revealed at the falling away first ).7. For the mystery of iniquity ( lawlessness ) doth already work ( it was already working in Paul's day ): only he ( the Holy Ghost ) who now letteth will let, until he ( the son of perdition ) be taken out of the way, or come out of the midst ( it's a corporate body of son of perdition in the temple of Christ spiritualy speaking, just as Judas iscariot was, the disciples didn't have a clue it was Judas iscariot until he betrayed Jesus Christ with a kiss, when he dip the Sop into the dish satan entered him, and history is going to repeat itself again, the sons of perdition are going to betray the brothers to death. Matt 24:9,10 ) 8. And then shall that Wicked be revealed ( in the NT, they are corporate bodies, Jesus has His body and that's the true church in means called out one's out of religious babylonian churches . Satan also has a body and it's all the children of disobedience among the people of God, the tares, and the goat's, they have a anti christ spirit ). Whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of His mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of His coming.9. Even him ( it's a corporate body of false prophets, Jesus said many false prophets not prophet but many would come in His name. Many serve a different Jesus and a different gospel and a different spirit ) whose coming is after the working of Satan ( that's his body the sons of perdition 2Cor 11:4,13-15; Gal 1:6-9 )with all power and signs (all kinds of deceptions, and counterfeit,) and lying wonders.( Jesus saidm if it were possible the elect could be deceived )10. And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness( 1Jn 2:15-29; James 4:4 )in them ( the apostate people of God )that perish; because they received not the love of the Truth, ( the real true Gospel , they were spiritually blind to truth Isa 66:4), that they might be saved.11. And for this cause God shall send them a strong delusion, ( listen now ) that they should believe a lie ( such as a pre- rapture ) : That they all might damned who believe not the Truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness." My brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus our Lord said He would send the comforter the Holy Ghost and He would be with us and in us, and lead us into all truth. If you have the love of the truth you will not be deceived by the false prophets, and many doctrines of religion and denominations out there. CHRIST IS NOT DIVIDED INTO RELIGION OR DENOMINATIONS. Those are babylonian churches. The Mother Harlot has many daughters, and she and her daughters persecuted Jesus and the apostles and handed them over to be Roman beast of that time. Rev 17:56; Rev 18:24, Matt 23; and history repeats itself again, it's going to happen to the church the body of Christ in the tribulation, if the church believes it or not. You ain't going to fly away, or be raptured up unless you die before the tribulation. The church of Christ Jesus will prevail and come out victoriously and give her life for the Master and Saviour Jesus Christ our Lord. Rev 6:9-11; Rev 13:7; Rev 12:11; and Rev 15:2; Rev 20:4,6

[@robertcain3426]

Thanks for your calm and considered input. Yes, this a problem with translations and you've stated it way better than I ever could. I've looked at the word 'apostasia' and have seen a different meaning; Etymology. From Latin apostasia, from Ancient Greek ἀποστασία (apostasía, “defection, revolt”), from ἀφίστημι (aphístēmi, “I withdraw, revolt”), from ἀπό (apó, “from”) + ἵστημι (hístēmi, “I stand”). This translation fits with my view of what Paul is describing in 2 Thess 2, which is a rebellion/revolt by man/mankind just as that occurred at Babel, where man come together in unity in rebellion to God, desiring to be his own lord and master of his own destiny. The meaning of the name Nimrod is also rebel, as with rebellion. This is rather long comment, I hope you will put up with my ramble of a response. The antichrist/the man of lawlessness is not a 'man' - singular. The phrase, 'man of lawlessness' etc, is the use of a descriptive device known as 'personification'. Also, Rev 12:18 is not referring to 'a' singular man. There is no 'a' in the Greek text. It should be translated as man/mankind. Some translations have correctly ascribed it this way, though not many. This error has been propergated through erroneous tradition. It is mankind/humankind - a united kingdom of man, himself, as at Babel, united in rebellion against God the Creator and his Messiah. 2 Thess 2:4, 'He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God' is speaking metaphorically. It is to say that he man/mankind will think himself superior to everything, his version of what is truth opposes the Word of God. The keys are given in the book of Revelation itself. *It is a kingdom 'which once was (at Babel), now is not (at John's time of writing) but will come again (in the last days), Rev 17:11. *It is the kingdom that is 'an eighth kingdom, which belongs to the seven'. The seven is the chronological complete beast of Gentile kingdoms which were prphecied to come, through Daniel, and unite the world in rebellion (apostasia) to God as first attempted at Babel where God said, if they be unified like this, as one, nothing will be impossible for them. It is the resurrected kingdom of Babel, signified by the denomination of the number eight; a one world government where mankind becomes his own lord and master of his own destiny. *It is the kingdom 'which was wounded by the sword, yet lived', when God went to Babel and 'wounded man/mankind's effort to unite, as one, by confusing his language and dispersing him over the face of the earth. Man/kind has his own gospel to preach to humanity, which opposes the Word of God. His gospel blasphemes the Word of God calling it archaic, barbaric and even unrighteous. The word of man purports to save humankind apart from God and his Christ, Jesus. This is the deception which will be worshipped as truth by all those who are perishing, because they loved the darkness instead of the light. Cheers

[@davidwilliams4498]

We sre in that end time sign now. It means what it says many are falling away from church orayer godliness etc

[@patrickschabel3955]

The falling away is the falling away of the truth it's not the people that are falling away it's the truth that is following Falling Away

[@anjalE30]

The spirit of truth NEVER fails The word ALWAYS ACCOMPLISHES It is the world, the people that are falling and will fall away...into REBELLION Which is Lawlessness This is what allows the lawless one to rise The light of christ will be removed bc man hate the truth - and love the darkness When the world celebrates the death of the 2 witnesses- THAT is the great REBELLION THAT WILL RELEASE ALL HELL AND SATAN WILL RULE LITERALLY Falling away means REBELLION

[@dannisivoccia2712]

The Apostle Paul wrote this letter to the church at Thessalonica. He was addressing to them that the falling away would happen to the church, prior to the coming of the Lord. Even if Paul was saying that there will be a falling away of truth, one must conclude that a falling away from the truth (sound doctrine) most definitely would cause a falling away of those who professed faith in Christ.

[@nzbrotrev9028]

​@@anjalE30 And we are witnessing it right now .

[@Jesusexplains]

❤❤❤ Brother, if you connect the dots ee shall be in not doubt what Paul meant by the “day of Christ”. That day is the day of our gathering unto him. Simple! The “day of Christ” is one day - the first day of the thousand year “day of the Lord” - “in the which” (during which time) the earth shall be judged with fire”. (See 2Pet3:7,10 KJV)

[@WarriorBride723]

The Holy Spirit is restraining the AC, the same way he is keeping me hidden to my enemies to keep me safe...

[@WarriorBride723]

They think they have a crazy lady under their control 🤪 and they made their decision to join thinking they could never get caught, never stopped and never beaten....oops!

[@christiansoldier77]

The falling away happens when Amil Postmil and Pretrib people see that the trubulation is happening and they lose faith

[@Jesus_Messiah_Saves]

🤯

[@2Thes22]

The entire church age is a time of tribulation. Daniel’s 7 year 70th week is never referred to as “The Tribulation Period” in the Bible though the second 3 and a half years could be referred to a Great Tribulation. Daniel’s 70th week also includes God’s Wrath which is also referred to as the Day of the Lord. This might also be the same as the Day of Christ. The Wrath of God is not the same as Tribulation or Great Tribulation which Jesus says Christians will experience. I believe that this passage supports the Pre Wrath Rapture where the rapture occurs within the final 3 1/2 years after great tribulation but before the Wrath of God.

[@bradburt38]

good thought

[@evasmedberg3180]

Thank you and may God bless you abundantly!

[@jayjay-bz3rr]

It’s a shame that the Apostle Paul wasn’t specifically clear to us today about 2nd Thessalonians 2:1-7. If Paul was clear, we wouldn’t be arguing about this scripture passage today.

[@justmyopinion7]

It's for a reason.... Prov 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

[@sandrashaeffer6236]

Finally some one is getting it right. 🙌🙌🙏 Explaining the Bible Jesus used a lot of parables and symbols. And our bodies are temple of God. When scribe's and pharissees taking about the temple Jesus says our bodies is temple and building is God's house.

[@shanecorby2]

I believe as we all should, that the Lord of Lords, is coming after the whole tribulation. We will all go through it. God will protect those, whom do not receive the mark of the beast, only from the plagues reserved for the unrighteous. When Jesus returns , He will resurrect the dead in Christ first than those righteous which are alive to be with Him in the clouds. Those left will be destroyed not to be judged before God for one thousand years leaving satan all alone. Than New Jerusalem will come down where Jesus will luve with us for eternity.

[@A-Grammie-On-the-ROCK]

The Bride will not be beaten up by God's wrath. Jesus comes for us then the Trib starts. We are not appointed to wrath.

[@marlonbrando5342]

Wrong

[@hyeminkwun9523]

Catechism #675 and 677 state that, before the second coming of Christ, the Church MUST follow Her Lord to Calvary, Death, and Resurrection for purification and renewal of the Church and world. The fulfillment of this Dogma is here, as we are now living through the prophesied events in 2 Thes 2:1-12 and the mystery of the iniquity (2 Thes 2:7) -- that's why we have had two popes (one True -- Benedict XVI; and the other false, as seen in the vision of Blessed Anne Catherine Emmerich and prophesied by St. Francis of Assisi, non-canonically elected and destroyer), and great apostasy (2 Thes 2:3) in the Church. God never allows anything to happen before revealing them through his prophets (Amos 3:7) so that His faithful ones may be prepared for the events. With the passing of Benedict XVI (on 12/31/2022), the restrainer, Katechon, has been removed and, therefore, the antichrist will soon appear in public (2 Thes 2:7-8), who will be the head of the 1 world religion, followed by schism after the denial of real presence of Christ in the Holy Eucharist by a false pope, banning of the daily Sacrifice of the Mass (Daniel 12:11), abomination of desolation (Matt 24:15), and fiercest persecutions of the Church (Rev 12:17, 13:10) for 3.5 years (Daniel 12:11-12, Rev 12:14). But God will protect His Church as promised in Matt 16:18, "the gates of Hell shall not prevail against Her" and His faithful remnants (Ps 91). All prophecies of the end times will be fulfilled as written in our generation. After the Schism, the Church will elect the last pope in St. Malachy's prophecy, 'Peter, the Roman', who will lead the Church through the Antichrist's persecutions, during which the Church will go underground, like the early Church during the Roman persecutions. We are the generation specially chosen by God, from the beginning of the creation, to follow in the footsteps of Our Lord to Calvary, Immolation, and Resurrection, for the Praise and Glory of His Name. Let us, therefore, be prepared spiritually for the coming events by praying to God for the graces we need, so that we may fulfill whatever tasks given to us in a perfect manner for His Glory. Let us not fear, but face the coming events in Peace, for He will never leave, nor forsake His faithful, and His grace will be sufficient for us to fulfill the task perfectly (2 Cor 12:9) and remain faithful to the end (Rev 2:10). Amen!

[@justmyopinion7]

Then who are the people in heaven witnessing the opening of the first seal in Rev 5:8-10 and how did they get there hmmmm?

[@bethelshiloh]

Talk about “forcing our predetermined impressions” upon Scripture… that same could be said about your pre-trib belief.

[@RUGRAF-rf8fi]

Either way should we always be in vigilance and trust in our true Messiah? YAHUSHA(JESUS)

[@SladeFuqua]

I have laboured over this passage, "he who now letteth." It seems to me that it is possible that the text is referring to some thing like Satan who may have to restrain the rage of the anti-christ... also, he is not used as a proper noun?

[@Used777_07]

I too labored. Have you considered the kingdom and power of the secular Emperor had to give way (letteth) for a religious man? Paul wrote he talked about this one who letteth when they met in person, but he wouldn't write down the name in his letter. Some believe he was protecting the Saints should his letter fall into the hands of one of the Emperor's men. 2 Thessalonians 2:5-6 KJV *_Remember_* ye not, that, *_when I was yet with you, I told you these things?_* When Rome fell, it broke into 10 regions (kingdoms), and from there, the Holy Roman Empire, and her “Emperor” (Pontifex Maximus - the same name the Ceasers used) aka the pope, arose and eventually took control of the world. Does the man of sin have to be one man, or can it be every man who currently occupies an office? Is the man of God Paul wrote about, only one man, or is he every man who preaches the Gospel anywhere? Likewise, can't the man of sin be every antiChrist who occupies the papal seat in Rome, each being crowned as God, and then declaring himself to be God through edicts, powers, and dozens of blasphemous titles (the three Latin names inscribed on the passed down coronation Crown each add up to the number six hundred sixty six)? Is it possible the falling away was the Roman Catholic Church and her pagan Roman gods that they renamed Jesus, Mary and the Saints? Today 1.3 billion professing “Christians” follow the Mystery Babylon system, being deceived into believing they are His true Church (physically, they don't believe the Body of Christ is invisible/spiritual).

[@leroybroun4106]

regarding the restrainer, the Bible tells us who is the restrainer, see 2Thess 2:9, which says it's the WORKING of Satan with ALL power. if someone other than satan is doing the restrainer, then it's not the "working" of satan and this restrainer has a lot of power here, which means satan only has SOME power in the matter and not ALL power. If satan is doing the working and has ALL power in the matter he has to be the restrainer. and he's probably taken out of the way when Michael stands up and kicks him out of the heavens onto earth, physically.

[@LonLo-fi7wc]

Restrainer is Jesus , Apollyon is being restrained in the pit , Jesus authorizes and angel to come down and open the pit , the a host of demonic Watcher angels and their king apollyon will be unrestrained and be released into the world , Rev 9 and apollyon wil be indwelt into the man of sin and he becomes the son of satan who will be working the signs and wonders of deception

[@leroybroun4106]

@@LonLo-fi7wc i actually also think that appolyon is the antichrist. however, if Jesus is the restrainer then 2Th 2:9 cannot be true because the coming of the lawless one is NOT by the working of satan with ALL power; the restrainer has MORE power in the matter, so satan would have but a little power. Appolyon could be released long before the antichrist is revealed, he might be out now but he just hasn't sent his locusts yet.

[@PhillipOsborne-rf6nr]

Aman.

[@PhillipOsborne-rf6nr]

Aman.

[@Mancheel]

Pretrib gang babyyyy

[@wan4891]

Thank you very much for your teaching. Concerning the harpazo / rapture, I like to think about Revelation 3:10 in which John describes that we will be kept from the wrath of God. In 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 is described that there will be a ressurrection of the dead and after that we, which are alive, will be caught up; the first ressurrection is also described in Revelation 20:6. Thinking therefore that the rapture will be taken place before the sixth seal, which starts the wrath of God.......?

[@jswhosoever4533]

Wow! Someone actually reads the bible! I think the rapture happens just after the sixth seal is broken though. It's pronounced in ch 6 v 17 but if you read the next chapter you can see that the Lord puts a short hold (half an hour) on starting the wrath.

[@wan4891]

@@jswhosoever4533 Thank you 🙂 Thinking that we, as "born again believers" are beackons in a rough sea for those, who are dwelling in it without a good anchor. Before God energises the winds to a storm, He get His beackons safe with Him.

[@markhauserbible7168]

My advice to pre-tribers is to forget revelations, until you understand what Jesus taught FIRST. It's like understanding calculus before 2+2. The reason Paul said we are not appointed to wrath. 1Thes5:9. Is because the wrath is ONE DAY. (Not 7 years) Rev6:17 DAY. Rm2:5 DAY. Zeph 1:15,18. DAY. This is why Jesus said what he did in Jn6:39-40,44,54. This is also the JUDGMENT DAY for unbelievers. Jn12:48. To God be the Glory

[@jswhosoever4533]

@@markhauserbible7168 🤦🏻‍♀️ just one of the plagues lasts 5 months...

[@tressacalahhensley8694]

Yes, the rapture is the 6th seal for the people who are still a live in the Tribulation! The 7th trumpet blows! then Yahshua comes back.

[@user-qm9iv5qd1l]

Absolutely fabulous explanation!!! God bless u

[@kuku747]

About the removing off the restrainer, can be described that God removing himself from restraining the man of sin as you suggsted, but the argument as the Church is the restrainer is also the same thing that God is taking the church away from restraining evil in the world. your Answer God is subjective.

[@trulyso734]

The Church holding power over the release of that endtime antichrist is speculation only This explanation sits better with me. Because Father God remains in full control over all affairs, HE alone sets the timing. And He can and does preordain different ones as He chooses to use (both good and bad kinds; in this case for restraining the disclosure/unveiling/revealing of the endtime Fake Christ). Not to forget it could well be a restraining through His servant army of angels too, holding back this antichrist's reveal event. There is precedence of that all over the bible. Also, the term 'he' restrainer holds reference to what's of less import in the wider overall context of that bible chapter, and we can know a church is never referred to as a 'he'. A church is always referred as 'she'. Objectively therefore I dont see this as a particular instruction for the church to strive/stress too much in restraining. In any case, the He to watch out against is the man of sin/lawlessness. Not to trust that one, but God (restrainer subject) we can trust and stay loyal to.. whatever comes at us down the track. Lastly on a final note, Id say we are in agreement though on maranatha.. looking up and forward together to His soon return,

[@maejeannerez]

The AOD is NOT the falling away, it's when the Anti-christ sits in the temple and declares himself the be God.

[@bruce8961]

Well, Not so much. The Falling Away picked up Speed with the Invention of the Telephone and Radio, picked up more speed with the TV, and then The Cellphones. And when the Internet and computers, tablets and cellphones of Today Plus June 26, 2015 The falling away took off like a super sonic Missile. Will The Lord find Faith when He returns? America is The Sin Capital of The world, just Like in Noah's or Lot's day. Well, how did that work Out?

[@JaclynRuff]

@bruce8961 Amen & Amen

[@Antiguanian]

​@@bruce8961the Abimination of Desolation is the ANTICHRIST sitting in the Holy of Holies in the rebuilt Third Temple.

[@bruce8961]

@@Antiguanian ??? Did I ask a question or Say something different? But since we're on "The Antichrist", is he Living on Earth now? And when will we know? About how many more years will we be on this Planet? And do you know that No most People in Churches Today are more Lost than The Lost and Believe they are Saved?

[@BrianNairn-kz4hs]

Amen, Jesus warned the abomination of desolation will be "standing" in the Holy place, where it should not be. Clearly the antichrist will be standing in the Holy of Holies with some kind of blasphemous statue or image and then he will sit down in the third temple claiming and showing himself to be god. But he is not God. But he will provoke the real God in heaven to an outbreak of his wrath

[@jeffallrn9918]

We all need to remember to remind everybody. This is just a theory, because when we teach it as truth, we are adding to or taken away from the word of God and we know what happens then, because God cannot be a liar.

[@uncommon475]

Your interpretation of the Restrainer in 2Thess2:6 is correct. Revelation 5:1-14 explains why Jesus Christ, the Lamb, is not only the One receiving the scroll. But also opening each seal and Rev 5:9 gives the reason for His worthiness to open the seals. Also, Rev 5:5 further echoes this sentiment. As it hearkens back to Isaiah 11:1-9. Rev 6:1 presents the first of seven seals. Which is the second half of the seven years when the abomination of desolation is committed. Dan 9:27, Matt 24:15, and Rev 13:5-7. The events happening in heaven also correspond to the events happening on earth. It is interesting that this is when the antichrist brings an end to sacrifice and offering. Dan9:27And the Lamb who is worthy to take the scroll (Rev 5:9) and Heb 9:11-15 is at the same time opening the seal. (Rev 6:1) The sixth seal is when the 144,000 or all the tribes of the children of Israel are sealed. which is a reference to Genesis 49:8-10 The sons of Jacob and the spiritual significance of Judah. Additionally, Rev 7:5 lists the tribe of Judah sealed first. Thereby confirming the special and significant reference to Judah.

[@ChrisG-cy2om]

The only other place the Greek word for rebellion or apostasy is used is here... Acts 21:21 NIV - They have been informed that you teach all the Jews who live among the Gentiles to turn away from Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children or live according to our customs. Note the context. The people rebelled against Moses. The apostasy is the people rebelling against /falling away from Christ.

[@ChrisG-cy2om]

2 Peter 3:17 NIV - Therefore, dear friends, since you have been forewarned, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of the lawless and fall from your secure position. Yes, some Christians will fall away, rebel, become apostate and fall from their secure positions.

[@udmann1]

I think you're spot on, but what you're describing is a pre-wrath (mid-tribulation) rapture, not a seven-year pre-tribulation rapture, which has been mathematically eliminated based on Scripture.

[@ChrisG-cy2om]

CJ Lovok from Rock Island books is a fantastic Bible teacher and he is also a pre-trib believer. He showed that Christ would return in 2030. Unfortunately, when the Rapture did not happen a couple months ago, he moved to goal post to 2031. That is the kind of thing the pre-trip Rapture position does. He was right the first time but he had to adjust his wonderful teaching based on his faulty rapture doctrine. .

[@bonniebarbee7984]

No one knows the day or time except God the Father Jesus told us that so any man that predicts it is False !!

[@ChrisG-cy2om]

@@bonniebarbee7984 If I say no one knows something right now, it doesn't mean no one will ever know. Daniel was told there would be an unsealing at the time of the end and the wise would understand. Jesus told His disciples to keep watch, and that it would be a bad thing to be surprised when He comes as a thief.

[@bugsocsollie1694]

​@ChrisG-cy2om Jesus did not speak of a rapture. Jesus was speaking to Israel and Israel has been told from the beginning that they would endure that time of testing: they will not be raptured but tested. He did however, tell them that they should pray that they are found worthy to escape all these things of the Great Tribulation, and we learn from Revelation that the 144,000 Jews do in fact escape great Tribulation (2nd half) of Israel's 70th week. But that is not the Body of Christ Church. The 144,000 Jews are also the man child of Revelation 12 sign. They are taken up to God so that the dragon does not devour him. The Body of Christ Church is raptured before the man of sin is revealed, before Israel's 70th week even begins.

[@AmandathePandaBooks]

The day of Christ is the day of God, day of the Lord, a day of gloom, deep darkness destruction, devestation. 2 peter says so. Read in in context. Day of Christ in kjv, day of the Lord day of God in nasb. Same verses.

[@willschmidt2470]

Date setters must always move the goal posts because they are false teachers.

[@ji-wonseong1623]

Good video, but I find keeping track of the verses a bit difficult. Would it be possible to write the verses on the video while referring to them?

[@shawnarider916]

Kevin Rider - The Bible Explained: At 33:05 - I've thought it interesting 'Blog Post - Unforgivable?' on Grace to You site. Phil Johnson writes a short blog on an upset response that John MacArthur received when he reasoned that he believed you could be forgiven after taking 'the mark of the beast'. He affirms what the Bible says in Rev 14:9-11, but made the point the Bible also says, "Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God" 1 Cor 6:9-10. - Makes me think of the locusts in Rev 9 how when they tormented the people for 5 months so they will seek death but will not find it - could it be that this God's mercy still at work keeping them from going into eternal suffering? On them being giving over to a strong delusion I find it interesting that there are so many photos of musicians, actors, and political leaders making the hand sign with the 666, and many putting it over their eye - they seem to be communicating that they've had this experience of 'opening the third eye'. It seems it would be reasonable to speculate that the world before taking the mark might have to go through meditative techniques of emptying the mind to "activate their chakras" - raising the global vibration and consciousness - as this seems to be the goal of what the New Age religion wants to achieve on this planet - thereby opening themselves up to internal demonic influence and deception in the belief system that they are a god and apart of this universal god force energy - as we hear about happening in so many 'New Age to Jesus' testimonies on YT. So many religions other than Biblical Christianity already have mind emptying techniques incorporated into their worship practices that are giving them some sort of spiritual experience and "opening the 3rd eye". Maybe that's the significance of taking the mark of '666' is personal acknowledgment and identification that I recognize that 'I AM' apart of this universal god consciousness and as man (in the sense of a Gnostic belief system) and have come to recognize being created by the Demiurge on the 6th day of the Creation, that 'I AM' God and am in the process of being a part of the spiritual evolution of the planet. Also find it interesting how the earth is associated with the altar. Seems like God might be giving those on the earth 'a taste' of what it would be like to reject God's sacrifice. That if they ultimately reject Jesus as the sin offering - that they themselves would become that sin offering bearing the direct wrath of God. Revelation 8 "silence in heaven...then the angel took the censer and filled it with fire from the altar and threw it on the earth, and there were peals of thunder, rumblings, flashes of lightning, and an earthquake.

[@thebookofrevelationreveale4722]

One other thing, Daniel 9:24 gives us a very important clue to why we only read of 3.5 years and not 7 yrs of Satan and the Antichrist rule on earth in the entire book of Revelation and that is this ….. I’ve capitalized the key words…. “Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an END OF SINS, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in EVERLASTING RIGHTEOUSNESS , and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.” ‭‭Daniel‬ ‭9‬:‭24‬ ‭KJV‬‬ People forget that SATAN will be allowed out of his prison to deceive the nations once more AFTER the millennial reign of Christ ! There is no way EVERLASTING righteousness and and END of sin can be accomplished at Armageddon, no, not until Satan is placed into the lake of fire after he has ANOTHER 3.5 years after the millennial. 3.5 yrs after the rapture and 3.5 years after the millennial reign of Christ! This is why we read that the GREAT WHITE THRONE JUDGEMENT isn’t until AFTER Satan is dealt with once and for all, after the millennial reign of Christ.

[@cindeec688]

Maybe the falling away is like what's happening now, people are falling away from the word of God, they are falling away from jesus, the man of sin is being revealed .. him or her or them, they. ?

[@kionamcnutt8630]

Yes, people are turning away from the truth and allowing seducing spirits to deceive them . Or they're turning from the truth out of fear because they don't want to be targeted by the Antichrist army out there right now. They drink the new world order Kool aid, fall in line and accept the new morality that rebels against God. It's going along with the misguided attempt to create peace on earth without the Prince of Peace.

[@charlesshipley7670]

Your interpretation is pretty interesting. You are apparently saying that these passages have no being on the pretribulation view of the rapture. As I was watching your video I was beginnig to to see how the pretribulatipn view does not have to rely on these passages.

[@doughammond8932]

I believe the Day of Christ/the Day of the Lord is the Millennium. Paul is here teaching Premillennialism. I have found this interpretation very consistent with other Biblical references to that Day. "...one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day" (2 Peter 3:8b).

[@MarkHoward211]

The day of the Lord is ONE DAY (Zech. 14:1-7). 2 Peter 3:8 says "AS A", not IS A. It's an analogy attributed to a timeless God. Psalm 90:4 says "For a thousand years in THY (God's ) sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night". One day (24 hours) and 3 or 4 hours (a watch in the night) are different periods of time, making this passage an analogy also. So, what do people teach? 1000 years means one day. One day means 1000 years. 1000 years means 3 or 4 hours. One prophetic day equals a year on earth. ALL of these teachings a false. God does not live on earth, and is not bound by earth time. Time passages mentioned in scripture can only literally mean earth time, which humans are subject to, and who the prophecies are written to. The day of the Lord can only be one 24 hour day. The phrase says "day" and Zechariah called it ONE day. It ushers in the millennial period of 1000 years ON EARTH, which is never called the day of the Lord.

[@doughammond8932]

Well please try to have an open mind on this because I am finding that the discovery that the day of the Lord is the Millennium opens a treasure trove throughout the scriptures. Okay, so you cited "one day" in Zech 14:7a but in 2 Peter 3:8 the apostle also writes about "one day" being as a thousand years. Now, he says one day is _with the Lord_ as a thousand years. But Zech 14:7a furthermore says, "But it shall be one day *which shall be known to the LORD,"* so both verses are from the Lord's perspective, the perspective that sees a thousand years as one day, as yesterday when it is past. And why did you stop at verse 7, when verse 8 says, "And it shall be *in that day,* that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: *in summer and in winter shall it be."* I don't really like the phrase "earth time" because it isn't a Biblical phrase and therefore I feel it is a gateway for error to creep in. But having said that, because you explain your point of view using that phrase, I will say that what Peter is telling us is that a thousand years of earth time is like one day in the sight of God. And he says this in the immediate context of speaking of the day of the Lord (see esp. vv. 7, 10), albeit particularly in terms of how long the Church must wait for that day to come. So since a thousand years of earth time is like one day to God, why should God not call this thousand years of His earthly rule the day of Christ? And remember that God had said to Adam concerning the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, "...you shall not eat of it, for in the day that you eat thereof, you shall surely die" (Gen 2:17). And after Adam ate, no man has ever lived a full thousand years. 969 is the longest. THEY DIE IN THE SAME DAY THEY FIRST SIN. Therefore Jesus Christ still has a thousand years of earth time coming to Him! He shall have His full day! And here's a practical point: if you really consider everything that is going to happen on the day of the Lord, it doesn't really fit into a day, which is a twelve hour period. And remember, the LORD alone will be exalted in that day (Isaiah 2:11, 17). Don't you think after thousands of years of man's vainglory, it is right that LORD alone should be exalted on earth for more than twelve hours? But the LORD alone shall be exalted for the whole Millennium, while Jesus reigns on earth! This also proves that the day of the Lord is the Millennium. I agree that the day of the Lord is the day of God's wrath and millennial period follows but what I am saying is that the day includes all of this and it BEGINS with wrath and the first resurrection, followed by Christ's rule on earth and subjugation of all enemies, and it concludes with events such as the destruction of death, the Great White Throne judgment, and the Son's delivering up of the kingdom to the Father. "The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light." Rom 13:12 ^^This night is not twelve hours, neither is the day that is at hand.

[@iwishpeoplecaredagain]

When does the 5 months play in when they will be stung by scorpions tails and they want death but will be none?

[@AMBoss8561]

The life cycle of a locust is 5 months! Therefore, somehow, it seems symbolic.

[@hots4jc]

WE ARE THE TRIBULATION SAINTS! Let’s take 1Thess. 4:14 apart line by line. “For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them ALSO which sleep in Jesus, will God bring with Him.” (Jesus) As we know, when Jesus died on the cross, He arose. THEN it says “THEM ALSO which sleep in Jesus, will God bring with Him”. “…will God BRING WITH HIM.” This is saying that when Jesus rose, all those who died IN Christ, or walked holy before the Lord…rose also with Jesus at that time. How else could Jesus say to the thief “Today, you will be with Me in Paradise” IF there is a Pre or Mid-Trib Rapture? The dead-in-Christ has already happened! Also remember that when Jesus died, the scriptures say in Matthew 27:51 “At that moment the curtain in the Temple was ripped in two from top to bottom; and there was an earthquake, with rocks splitting apart. 52 Also the graves were opened, and the bodies of many HOLY PEOPLE who had died were raised to life; 53 and after Jesus rose, they came out of the graves and went into the holy city, where many people saw them.” NOTICE that they were raised to life, but did not come out of the grave until Jesus rose. You may ask the question, as I did, “What happened to them. Did they live a life and then die again?” The Word does not say, but I can only assume that they went back up to heaven after being seen by the people, like Jesus did. 2 Thess. 2:1 “But in connection with the coming of our Lord Jesus the Messiah and OUR GATHERING TOGETHER TO MEET HIM, (Speaking of the Rapture), we ask you, brothers, 2 not to be easily shaken in your thinking or anxious because of a spirit or a spoken message or a letter supposedly from us claiming that the Day of the Lord has already come. 3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way. FOR THE DAY WILL NOT COME until after the Apostasy has come and the man who separates himself from Torah has been revealed, the one destined for doom. 4 He will oppose himself to everything that people call a god or make an object of worship; he will put himself above them all, so that he will sit in the Temple of God and proclaim that he himself is God.” It is clear that here that the Rapture will not happen until after the Anti-christ has come. Yes we will be raptured but not until Jesus 2nd Coming, and as we know, the Tribulation is going on at that time. Jesus will deal with the wicked FIRST BY FIRE, and THEN He will Harvest (Rapture) His Church. Here’s proof… 1 Cor. 15:22 For just as in connection with Adam all die, so in connection with the Messiah all will be made alive. 23 BUT EACH IN HIS OWN ORDER: the Messiah is the firstfruits; THEN those who belong to the Messiah, at the TIME OF HIS COMING; 24 THEN the culmination, when he hands over the Kingdom to God the Father, after having put an end to every rulership, yes, to every authority and power. “ Also…Matthew 13:30 speaking of the wheat and,the tares. “Let them both grow together until the harvest; and at harvest-time I will tell the reapers to collect the WEEDS FIRST and tie them in bundles to be BURNED, but to gather the wheat into my barn.’”

[@michaelogrady232]

The falling away is thinking you can be woke and Christian at the same time.

[@GodDutyHonorCountry]

I think so as well

[@kionamcnutt8630]

Watered down submissive Christianity. Not speaking or telling the truth for fear of the wrath of man. Making God out to be Santa Claus.

[@soundjudgement3586]

Good commentary, albeit some parts are skewed in context

[@rapturereadyfromdarknessto6316]

You did a good job.

[@62TBirdMan]

I personally believe that the “falling away” means many Christians will leave their faith and I further believe that “The Day of the Lord” is the 1,000 year reign of Jesus.

[@yzhang8888]

I agree with your first part - mean many Christain leave their faith, but not agree the 2nd part.

[@christiansoldier77]

​@@yzhang8888It couldnt possibly mean anything else. The day of the Lord is God's wrath on the evil world

[@linusarthur5634]

There is no Jesus in heaven u waiting in vain.

[@christiansoldier77]

@@linusarthur5634 Say that to Him when you face Him lol 🤣🤣😆😆

[@YHWHLOVESYOU2]

They will follow their sexual lusts and the road to Hell.

[@Jesusexplains]

🤷‍♂️BROTHER, WHY IS IT SO DIFFICULT to understand that “the day of Christ” is “one day” - that day when we shall be “gathered unto him” (2Thess2:1-2 KJV) Jesus told us four times in a row so that there would be no misunderstanding that he shall raise ALL believers “on the last day” (Jn6:39,40,44,54 KJV) That’s a one-day, one-time “first resurrection” (Rev20:5 KJV) that happens when the “sun and the moon go dark” “immediately AFTER the tribulation”. (Rev6:12-14 Matt24:29-31 KJV)

[@rickywalker3154]

Exactly.

[@justmyopinion7]

Then who are the people in heaven witnessing the opening of the first seal in Rev 5:8-10 and how did they get there hmmmm?

[@Jesusexplains]

@@justmyopinion7 Easy! They are NOT resurrected saints but are the spirits of those who have died in Christ and who Jesus will bring with him one the day of resurrection (the Rapture) 1Thess4:13-14 KJV But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

[@justmyopinion7]

@@Jesusexplains I believe if you are dead you are asleep and knows nothing like the Bible says, and then when Jesus comes to fetch the bride those that have died in Christ will rise first and then those alive will be caught up with them, so for me this makes no sense as everyone that have died are asleep and knows nothing until surrection which will be 1. at the rapture or 2. at the day of judgement. When Jesus comes back during the 2nd coming, His angels will collect the elect but they won't be raptured to heaven, they will go to Jerusalem to see the King taking Kingship of His creation.

[@Jesusexplains]

@@justmyopinion7 Oh, OK. That explains why you believe the point of view you presented, Bruce. Well, as I said to a very dear and close SDA friend just before he passed away. I said, “Well, Jim, don’t be surprised if things turn out better than you expected and you have to enjoy Jesus and the pleasure ms of heaven while you wait for the day of resurrection (the Rapture) to happen!” I never tried to change Jim’s belief, for as long as I knew Jim believed in Jesus as his Saviour, all would be explained to him when he got to heaven. There are just so many scriptures to prove that Ellen White misunderstood and incorrectly taught Ecc9:3-6 KJV with her “the dead know nothing” doctrine.

[@tonuiben4136]

The restrainer is the angelic principality tasked with that. The angel (Gabriel)tasked with restraining leaders of these world empires explain this to Daniel in chapter 10. He even asserts that no other person stand with him in so doing except Michael.

[@bethelshiloh]

Doesn’t Paul say WHEN YOU SEE the AoD happen? How can they SEE this happen unless they/we will be here WHEN that happens?

[@donsavinsky2251]

THOSE WORDS WERE FOR THE JEWISH PEOPLE IN ISRAEL DURING JACOB'S TROUBLE= DANIEL'S 70TH WEEK= SEVEN YEAR TRIBULATION MARK 13:37!!!

[@dianetrue2396]

Yes. For the Jews. In their Temple. Not Gentiles not in a church. Honestly. Read within context and to whom is it speaking? I'm not going to flee to the mountains of Judea either...

[@Anthony-ix3rp]

prophecy can have present and future application. Was the Lord's Communion supper only for the Jews ? Was the Great Commission only for the Jews ?@@donsavinsky2251

[@Anthony-ix3rp]

Great point. Look at Revelation 13:18 too. We are to count the number of the beast .Therefore we look out to see who it is.

[@Anthony-ix3rp]

Where in the bible does it say 7 years of Tribulation, because I see Tribulation and Wrath in the final 7 years.@@donsavinsky2251

[@dannisivoccia2712]

I believe the falling away happens to the church-at-large around the hour of testing (Tribulation), which comes upon the whole world. In Revelation, God makes a distinction between the earthly church-at-large and the saints. The earthly church of professing believers fall away, but the saints will overcome. During the Tribulation, the saints comprise those who will overcome by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and who loved their lives not even unto death.

[@AmandathePandaBooks]

In the original Aramaic, falling away or apostasy means anti messiah, rebellion, falling away from the faith, etc. don't YOU be deceived!! We aren't going anywhere until that man of sin is revealed in the temple of God, and stops the regular sacrifices!

[@ninawhiskers87]

Could the falling away be the Catholic church?

[@teresacunningham8301]

I believe this was a good solid teaching…I like the deviation from what everyone else is usually saying. I would disagree with what you said about people taking the mark as never ever being able to repent and believe the gospel. I base this on 1Cor 15:22-28; Eph 1:20; & Col 1:10 just to name a few. Christ was victorious on the cross and will redeem all of His creation.

[@CJS326]

Revelation 14 makes is perfectly clear if you take the mark you will be tormented forever and ever

[@AMBoss8561]

I am going to have to agree with you on this point. If the "mark of the Beast" begins in the middle of the week, that would mean that anyone who takes or had taken the mark would not have an opportunity to repent--and since this does not seem to be consistent with blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, I believe that one could still repent. Three and a half years of no salvation seems unlikely.

[@CJS326]

@@AMBoss8561 revelation 19 makes it very clear if you take the mark you are going to hell.

[@AMBoss8561]

Those who saw the works of Christ, His miracles and such, and concluded that they were works of the Devil were guilty of blasphemy of the Holy Spirt--the unpardonable sin. Jesus also said in Matthew 12: “Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men. 32Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come." If taking the mark is an automatic disqualifier to salvation, no one would get saved in the last 3 1/2 years of the Tribulation (Daniel's 70th Week). @@CJS326

[@JODY-ej5qy]

why Didn't Paul just say - that Day hasn't come because your still here? or don't worry you will never see the Abomination that causes desolation, because that will happen in middle of the tribulation.

[@JODY-ej5qy]

and why would they believe that they were in the last 3 and a half years , if Paul had made it clear in his first letter that there had to be a resurrection first and they were called out before the tribulation began?

[@jash7401]

Good question. Paul didn't think they received a letter as if from him saying the rapture had taken place. No, it's the day of the Lord, the time of Jacob's trouble, they were told had begun. Their concern was they had missed the rapture.

[@gregorydotson6776]

The Apostle Paul talked about The Great Fallen away. The Great Fallen away of the Church meaning that many because of the trials and Tribulations that they will have to go through , the Light of the Truth that they used to have there oil ran dry and there flame went out. Just like in the Parable of the Ten Virgins that The Lord Jesus Christ did talked about 5 of them were wise , and the other 5 were foolish. And the 5 foolish virgins lost the Light that they had. Just like what will happen in the days leading up to The Great Apotasy of the Church. And that is why The Lord Jesus Christ says those that endures to the end , the same shall be saved. Many are called , only a Few will be choosen. And only a few that shall be saved. Because in those Days because of the iniquity that shall abound , and the Love of many shall wax and grow cold. Where many shall call The Good evil , and will turn right around in there shame and will call The evil good. It is The Mystery of Lawlessness and iniquity. The Great Mystery Babylon : The Mother of Harlots.where many shall give heed and be taken over by Seducing Spirits and the Doctrines of Devil's , for many will deceive but they will also will be deceived. And without having the Seal of God written in your hearts and in your minds , then you will be seduced and deceived because many shall believe in the Lie more , than they will The Truth. Ever Learning but still are not able to come into The Knowledge of the Truth for them to be saved. And these are only but The Beginnings of the Sorrows. We are already in the days where many are calling The Truth a lie , and The Lie they are calling it The Truth. And a House that is divided against itself it can not Stand , but sooner or later it shall go into ruin and Desolation. Whether it be Nation's or Individuals.

[@wareor4christ397]

You should take a different approach to this particular verse. Paul is speaking from references of the Old Testament and Jewish books that speak of messiahs coming . You need to recall there was no New Testament stuff he was gleaning from. This verse has several roots that refer back to feast days particularly the fall feast. The Jewish mindset was a taking away similar to a ship sailing out of sight and the Jewish grammar has the same idea for the words ( falling away) . I think you will be surprised how well the earlier Jewish texts fit what Paul is saying. We gentiles kinda took that verse down a rabbit trail and it stuck.

[@normmcinnis4102]

Older bibles used 'departing', not 'falling away'. The only one that used 'falling away' was the Bishop's bible, which was never well received at the time.

[@Markis2002]

I've had this pre millennium argument with so many people that I am convinced the reason they don't get it is because they're not going go in the rapture because they have not received the Holy Spirit ... study the parable of the 10 Virgins... Matthew 25 ... it is quite clear.

[@MarkHoward211]

Matthew 24 and 25 have nothing to do with the church, which is removed BEFORE the events described in those two chapters (2 Thess. 2:6-8). Jesus is answering questions about his second advent at Armageddon (depicted in Mt. 24:28-31 and the parable of the 10 virgins), the end of the age, and the separation of the wheat from the tares. An event when Israel is saved (Zech. 12:9-13:1), not the church. On this day (the day of the Lord) ALL the saints come WITH Him (Zech. 14:1-5; Jude 14-15; Rev. 19:11-14).

[@hots4jc]

Wow they had “fake news” even then. (When Paul said to reject even if it was a letter from him.)Lol

[@davidboehmer4359]

I don't have any differences. That are worth arguing over

[@deedee5601]

People fall away because they choose not the love of the truth, but they believe in the lies of the man of sin and have pleasure in his unrighteousness..

[@saturnn77]

The falling away doesn't fit with a mass exodus from the faith. "THE falling away" . The conjunction "and" makes them happen simultaneously. Unless you have a multitude of people leaving the faith in one day, the two can't be said in the same sentence.

[@halfulford3081]

If you study in the Bible and learn God's word you won't be deceived by these false prophets, teachers, preist. Jesus Christ is only coming back one more time and i pray that you have not been deceived.

[@joseesmith6348]

Read Luke 17:20-27

[@mosheheliyahu9071]

I am surprised that you did not include the possibility that it is Michael, the archangel that has been tasked with "restraining" the antimessiah. See Daniel 12. After all, Elohim uses angels to accomplish his will. Just a thought....

[@jeffallrn9918]

You’re way off but that’s just my opinion.There are many interpretations to eschatology, and when I studied all of them, I found out that the dispensational view was the worst and the weakest. But more disturbing was dispensationalism made Jesus out to be a false prophet and teacher. Look it up that’s what I did. But I am not dogmatic on this secondary issue.

[@dewaynethomas7729]

Early church fathers of the 1st and 2nd century taught pre-tribe catching away long before Darby.

[@jswhosoever4533]

Wheres your proof of that???

[@ChrisG-cy2om]

@@jswhosoever4533 This is a great question, because I've read just about everything written by the early church writers of the first 2-3 centuries, and I can say with a high degree of confidence that they were not expecting a pre-tribulation rapture. That was a doctrine that arose to prominence much later, and new doctrine is not true doctrine.

[@jswhosoever4533]

@@ChrisG-cy2om amen. I'm sick of people parroting this lie. Nobody has ever shown me proof in the 15 years I've been asking.

[@CJS326]

​@@ChrisG-cy2omLuke 12:2-3 New Living Translation (NLT) The time is coming when everything that is covered up will be revealed, and all that is secret will be made known to all. Perhaps the pre tribulation wasn't revealed to the early church because it wasn't going to happen for another 2000 plus years. God reveals his word when he's ready not when we are ready.

[@ChrisG-cy2om]

@@CJS326 That is an interesting theory. However, I'm going to stick with the pattern that God has provided throughout the Scriptures. He has always tested, punished and disciplined His people. He has always tried their faith. He didn't keep Noah and his family from the flood, He preserved them through it. He didn't remove the Israelites from the plagues upon the Egyptians, He preserved them through it. He allowed Israel over and over again to be punished by the nations, taken into captivity, and preserving a remnant. What is coming soon will be no different. God's people will be tested. Those that truly belong to Him will be protected from the plagues that come upon the wicked, but they may have to endure persecution and even death from the wicked. The sooner Christians embrace this reality, the better off they will be when it comes. Peace

[@Alcheer]

I don't agree with pre-trib, one reason, and think it is in Corinthians, it says at the last trump. So, where is there a multiple number of trumpets?

[@Gloii2]

The last trump does not mean final trump, the Israelites always moved the tabernacle on the last trump. It means time to move 😂

[@Gloii2]

I don’t think I could convince you in a chat but I have made some KZbin videos myself on the matter. Keep in mind John had the Revelation of the trumpet judgments decades after Paul wrote to Corinth. Paul’s scripture knowledge was from OT studies and verbal testimony of eye witnesses. That’s not to say he didn’t have supernatural knowledge that coincided with John, either way the phrase, the last trump is not definitive on the matter. The vial or bowl judgments followed the trumpets so even in Revelation the last trump Moves to the next seven

[@Alcheer]

@@Gloii2 I think you misunderstood me. This is about the interpretation of 2 Thes 2. I referenced 1 Corinthians 15 where it mentions the last trumpet, to be a last trumpet there has to be others. Consider Revelation on the trumpets. Many say the Christians aren't mentioned in Revelation and they be right, but it does say saints. Christian was onl mentioned in scriptures twice.

[@Gloii2]

I think I understand others have made the argument that it couldn’t be a pre-trib rapture because the last trump must be the 2nd coming. I’m just saying the last trump of the rapture is like the trump of the tabernacle meaning “move” or “come up” not that it is finished and there won’t be more trumpets to follow. My reason for adhering to the pre-trib view is that there cannot practically be a literal Millennial Kingdom without it and I think the literal approach does justice to the Word of God and final fulfillment of OT prophecy. God Bless!

[@sherrydubois6164]

Most church-goers are taught to believe the pre-trib doctrine and that all of them are going to be raptured away. I would suggest watching "Who is the bride" - Jim Staley. Only those who keep the commandments and have the testimony o the Savior are the bride, just as not all the virgins were even though they were all saved.

[@MarkHoward211]

The bride of Christ is the CITY, new Jerusalem. Plainly stated in Rev. 21:9-11. ALL redeemed from all ages will live in this city. No one single company of people make up the bride or are called a bride. Only the city itself is called the bride AND wife of the Lamb.

[@AMBoss8561]

So, you are saying, whether you realize it or not, salvation is by works ("who keep the commandments. . . "). Paul taught the if your salvation is contingent on works, grace is nullified. If works are any part of salvation, salvation is no longer a gift, but rather payment for what is owed. We are saved by grace, through faith, a gift from God. Ephesians 1 teaches that the elect were chosen by God before the foundation of the world. This would beg the question of which work you were saved by before you existed.

[@sherrydubois6164]

Being obedient is not

[@sherrydubois6164]

Obedience not works

[@AMBoss8561]

I am guessing that your last two post were meant to say that obedience is not works? If obedience is not work, without the use of the noun, adjective, verbal, or adverbial form of obedience, please define obedience. @@sherrydubois6164

[@JeanMarcelino-qr9ju]

Most Christian denominations doesn't know they're being trapped by many. Religious Denomination

[@RUGRAF-rf8fi]

I believe if we had proper Aramaic translations instead of Greek translations of Aramaic wording would be more clear for everyone. All we have are Greek translations and some Hebrew words translate differently in context of a sentence or paragraph. Just saying…

[@LonLo-fi7wc]

NT was was written in the Koine Greek , it not a translation it is the authentic original

[@katrinahaney2694]

They found original Aramaic in the caves and used them to create an English version. I have a new testament based on Aramaic text.

[@LonLo-fi7wc]

Long time ago historians had shown that Aramaic was spoken and not written during the time of Jesus as the Koine Greek was the prominent language it means the common language and later Aramaic writings were made, this is why Concordances use the Koine Greek lanugage as preferred over Aramaic , The problem today is that people that have a preference for ' their ' doctrine use whatever fits their preference instead of seeking accuracy . such example is the word " crown ' and "sword " people today try to force their notion the MOB is a inject***%_$needle

[@stevebowman9745]

​@@katrinahaney2694Please provide a publisher for that Aramaic -English translation. Thank you.

[@jamestruett2694]

The coming of the Lord will happen when the chosen are saved. There are many who sin willingly, but the chosen are guided in life to desire the Ways of the lord. Most of this guidance is accomplished when truth is learned thru affliction. And from spiritual insights given by the Father and the witness of the gospel when truth is found. Yet more than truth is needed, and you would know that if you knew how to walk in the Way in/of Jesus for truth teaches us to know the love of the Father and we, as we walk in the Way are to put on that love Way by submitting to walking in the Way of love in truth and abide in it until we become one in/with it, in increasing measure until our measure is full and sufficient to our belief in Jesus and the Father.

[@thebookofrevelationreveale4722]

So is it “waking in the way” that will save you? Cause I BELIEVE HE died on a cross for my SINS. What is it that you believe in? “JESUS SAID unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that BELIEVES in me, though he were dead, yet shall HE LIVE:” ‭‭John‬ ‭11‬:‭25‬ ‭KJV‬‬ “Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that BELIEVES that Jesus is the Son of God?” ‭‭1 John‬ ‭5‬:‭5‬ ‭KJV‬‬ “and by him ALL THAT BELIEVE are justified from ALL THINGS from which ye could NOT BE justified by the law of Moses.” ‭‭Acts‬ ‭13‬:‭39‬ ‭KJV‬‬ “He that BELIEVETH on him is not condemned: but he that BELIEVETH not is condemned already, because he hath not BELIEVETH in the name of the only begotten Son of God.” ‭‭John‬ ‭3‬:‭18‬ ‭KJV‬‬ “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever BELIEVETH in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” ‭‭John‬ ‭3‬:‭16‬ ‭ “that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt BELIEVE in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.” ‭‭Romans‬ ‭10‬:‭9‬ ‭KJV‬‬ “For with the heart man BELEIVETH unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.” ‭‭Romans‬ ‭10‬:‭10‬ ‭KJV‬‬ “Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have BELIEVED.” ‭‭John‬ ‭20‬:‭29‬ ‭ “And he BELIEVED in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.” ‭‭Genesis‬ ‭15‬:‭6‬ ‭KJV‬‬ “He that BELEIVETH on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that BELEIVETH not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.” ‭‭John‬ ‭3‬:‭36‬ ‭KJV‬‬ “For the scripture saith, Whosoever BELIEVES on him shall not be ashamed.” ‭‭Romans‬ ‭10‬:‭11‬ “that whosoever BELIEVES in him should not perish, but have eternal life.” ‭‭John‬ ‭3‬:‭15‬ ‭KJV‬‬ “and whosoever liveth and BELIEVES in me shall never die. Believest thou this?” ‭‭John‬ ‭11‬:‭26‬ ‭KJV‬‬ “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that BELIEVES on me HAS everlasting life.” ‭‭John‬ ‭6‬:‭47‬ ‭KJV‬‬ “For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that BELIEVES.” ‭‭Romans‬ ‭10‬:‭4‬ ‭ “And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and BELIEVES on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.” ‭‭John‬ ‭6‬:‭40‬ ‭ In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye BELIEVED, ye WERE SEALED with that HOLY SPIRIT of promise,” ‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭1:13‬ ‭

[@jamestruett2694]

@@thebookofrevelationreveale4722 nope practically all of these say you gotta believe to be saved, well in order to believe you have to walk in the Way to find the truth and the love truth reveals. Now we don't see Jesus but we do know the love that Jesus reveals. Hence faith is established because "if the love is real, so is he who reveals." Those with thomas saw with their hearts the love Jesus reveals and believed without having seen. I could go over every paragraph with the same reasoning. The substance of faith is love truth reveals, the evidence of the unseen Jesus is the love he reveals in truth. Add to your faith goodness , knowledge, self control, perseverance, godliness, brotherly kindness, and love for if you possess these qualities in increasing measure you shall never be ineffective or unproductive in the knowledge of Jesus Christ our Lord.

[@angelapastorius2377]

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[@xanderbarr1983]

Here is another view, King saul had the anointing of king, he was covered by the spirit of God, untill the Spirit of God left him, and went to David.. he then recieved the unclean Spirit from the Lord, he then was tormented, and delusional, and paranoid of losing his kinhdom, and his life, ..so he persecuted david, and all who were loyal to david, and was Steadily getting worse and worse till he went to battle saying God is with me, and he died in the battle..David then ruled as KING after sauls kingdom ended, he was anointed to be King before saul died,but waited till his kingdom was judged by God before taking total Control of the kingdom...just as Herod was king, and the high priest and Lecitical priesrhood with the rulers and pharisees and saducees, were in powered and anointed, but thr spirit left the throne, and the priesthood, and the Temple and descended upon Christ Jesus...they then recieved the spirit of iniquity, and persecuted christ and those liyal to him just as was shadowed in Saul and David..the destruction of the temple and priesthood and kingly earthly throne was destroyed, and the throne became heavenly, the priesthood became heavenly, and the high priest is Jesus, the King is Jesus, and those loyal to him are the Israel of God...the falling away happened when after the Gospel was preached to all the world as a testimony, the battle happened in 70 ad, the believers fled jerusalem, and the deadly wound was inflicted upon the first covenant as it passed away... The new covenant in the blood of Jesus is now preached to all nations..the falling away, or departure, or letting was done by the spirit untill the man of sinwas to be revealed . Judas was filled with satan in his heart and he left and betrayed Jesus, selling him for silver..he was called the son of perdition..the Body of Christ and the Son of perdition are the 2 that in the final days will battle..the temple of God, being the born again jews and gentiles in one body, will face the son of persition wbo are all wbo have not the spirit of God...when Gods grace is removed, they will try to eliminate Gods people, that is when Jesus returns, and raises the dead in Christ, and judges the world for their rebellion.

[@Mike65809]

The rapture cannot be imminent since Paul made it clear that before our gathering together unto him (the rapture) there apostasy must occur and the man of lawlessness be revealed. So how can it be imminent?

[@user-mc5ig5ul6x]

A 1 MINUTE READ THAT WILL LEAVE YOU A BLESSING OF TRUTH TO 2THS2....... ................"A FALLING AWAY FIRST"............... 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 "NOW we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter, as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand." "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;" As we understand there will come a Time Period of Seven Years Left before the end of the age and Second Coming of Jesus Christ. So why would Daniel call it a week? Using words like "In the Midst of it" Referring to the Start of The Great Tribulation? Because if you Breakdown the Midst of a week there is no telling The Day, or Month things Start. The Middle of the week can bring us to a Large Gap of Time for Seven Years. That 4th Day involves a whole year, and difficulty with Discerning the Events in Chronological Order. But this Falling Away and Revealing, is The Start, and we will see why. When Jesus was asked about the Times of the end, He makes a point to Start it off with False Christs to come, and for us, Not be Deceived by them, just as Paul Explains and actually refers to it as a SINGLE DAY EVENT. It is amazing how Two Different Religions can have close to the same amount of Following and Claims to the Same Events, but Twisted in Two Different Directions. Islam also has a SEVEN YEARS End of Days Eschatology with their Hadiths. These Books claim that their Messiah will come in on a "White Horse," and conduct many battles before He runs to Mecca for Refuge. Throughout this time, He does not want it, and will deny it. UNTIL, IN ONE NIGHT has a Spiritual Awakening, that will be followed by an army that will come down from The North to kill him. But Allah will save Him with a Great Earthquake that will Swallow them up. Providing more Confirmation to this Prophecy. ....DENYING THE BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST..... The Quran also believes in Jesus Christ, but with a Twist. That He was nothing more than a Prophet, who had never Died on the Cross, and was ascended up to heaven from Allah. It is said that He will come back down in this Time Period with The Claims of being a Messenger for Allah, has always been a Muslim, and will give all Credibility to The Mahdi being The Real Messiah. Much of this is explained to us in The Quran and Hadiths.... AN-NISA AYAT 157, 158 Explains how they did not kill Him. AL-IMRAN AYAT 51-53 Explains how Jesus will make claim to being a Muslim who Worships Allah and Allah is The Straight Path. TAFSIR IBN KATHIR (AN-NISA) Explains how Jesus ran off to Damascus and was replaced by a look-alike to Die on The Cross, while Allah Raptured Him through the Hole of a Roof. AL-IMRAN AYAT 54 Explains how Allah Schemed them, and Explains how Allah is The Best of all Schemers......Now where have we Heard of that? Does it sound Familiar? Just Imagine what would take place On That Day. The News would Quickly go Viral, Many, Many, "Luke Warm Christians" Will Believe it. And as we can see, There would be no problem with this Pope Fully Accepting it. And Two Billion Muslims that will Celebrate it. Gathering Millions More, if not Billions. That will bring on this said to be One World Religion, with Sharia Law soon after Implemented. The Hadith also explains to us of a "GREAT TREASURE" that will be Aquired by The Mahdi. And whether its on that same day, or most likely Months Later, The Ark of the Covenant will be Displayed for all The World to see, along with The Mahdi's Claim to it in Allah's name who has always been its Rightful Owner. Shutting up all of those who Stand with THE BLOOD OF CHRIST. Because as Most will now say,,, "Jesus never Died, Therefore, Couldn't have Shed HIS BLOOD for your Sins." Matthew 24:4-5 "And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ: and shall deceive many." May you all Stand Strong with THE BLOOD OF CHRIST, and Love of the Truth. And May God be with you.

[@Markis2002]

I am very surprised that people don't understand that the return of Christ is the same as the "final" millennium (1,000 years) the day of the Lord, the final Sabbath and 7th day it's all the same day to God it's 1 day to us on Earth it's a 1000 years. The millennium the day of the Lord the final sabbath it's all the same and it will begin in darkness just like everyday starts in darkness,right the day starts at dusk not at dawn. I think we can all agree that the world is 6000 years old, the 6th day has ended, we know this by the season we are in... the Lord is tarrying, as he said he might

[@AmandathePandaBooks]

Day of Christ is kjv. Day of the Lord, day of God, all in 2 peter, nasb.

[@trulyso734]

Thanks. Probably the same day ie the terrifying day period of woes /judgements on the world. Whilst it would signify a rescue for the believers before or in the midst of that chaos The fact there will be such a day amps the urgency for those of us who can, to work the harvest field around us, whilst there is still time / whilst there is still some day light (as a future time of darkness or 'night is coming when no mankind can work')

[@Johnorekunow272]

It's funny how Paul said "let no man deceive you", yet this very passage gets transmogrified to fit a pre-conceived assumption. The coming of the Lord, and our gathering together unto him will not happen lest there be a falling away first, the man of sin is revealed and the abomination of desolation is committed. Unpopular, yet true.

[@trevino37]

people see and hear :The great falling away" , look at their environment and present situation with churches and conclude it must be referring to today. However, when Martin Luther broke from the Catholics, that was also a great falling away to them in their time period and so it was during the first century when many Jews stopped gathering with the saints to return back to Judaism or the Mosaic Law. Nearly all the Epistles speak of this turning away and returning back to the law. Point being, this great falling away was during the first century, which was also the last days of their age and time period under the Mosaic law and temple era...Today is not the last days...But these are my conviction what I get in reading the bible. The Language in 1 and 2 Thess are in their present time. if it was prophet for the future, it would have been stated as such, in the same way all prophecy were stated in their future. But this is not a prophecy for the future but seem they all know of the prophecy that was given to them by Jesus of things to come during their time period from Matt 24. But, it all came true and came to pass. The temple was destroyed, they saw and felt the hand of Judgment, the Christians who were waiting for this fled safely to the mountains or at least away from Jerusalem, According to Josephus, all the Christians fled ahead of time. Not too sure why people would read a letter to the Thess and think this was for out time. This is like reading a letter from George Washington that he is coming for CHRISTMAS, and we waiting for him to show up today.