II Thessalonians 2 Explained: What is the Falling Away & the Day of Christ?

[@Biblical_Mystery]

No matter what challenges you're facing, know that you are not alone. God goes ahead of you, supports you in the present, and remains a guiding presence behind you. Walk with confidence, for God is with you through it all. Amen 🙏🤗🌈

[@sonyamihaylova1433]

Amen!

[@theHoff1974]

Outstanding. Context is always king when interpreting scripture. Its tempting to read the word with the purpose of having it confirm presupposed ideas.

[@doughammond8932]

The Holy Spirit is our King and Teacher. While context is meaningful, and the Holy Spirit has certainly taught me to consider it, the carnal mind studying the scriptures, even paying attention to context, will still fail to understand. I'm trying to say, no hermeneutic is a substitute for the Holy Spirit. A man is not able to understand the spiritual truth of the scriptures by himself, no matter how careful and diligent his study. "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." 1 Cor 2:14

[@bugsocsollie1694]

Yes, but he didn't use context. He imported context. Paul's context was our gathering together unto Him. Our Departure. We are out of the way before the man of sin is revealed. He is revealed when he confirms Israel's covenant for one week: Israel's 70th week. Israel's 70th week will no longer be a dispensing of Grace, but a dispensing of judgment and Wrath and testing. The Body of Christ Church is outta here before God goes back to dealing with Israel according to their prophecy.

[@dudleygordon6191]

@@doughammond8932 The Word of God teaches us to try/test the spirits! 1 John 4:1 KJV Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. The only thing you have, to test the spirits, is God’s Holy Word, to see if they are of God or not! Truth will set you free and God’s Holy Word is truth! Faith comes by hearing God’s holy word!

[@dudleygordon6191]

@@doughammond8932 1 John 4:1 KJV Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. “You can only try the spirits by the word of God!”

[@Livebroadcast]

You have done so fantastic here and within the first 1:11 minutes you explained such great wisdom. Well done putting so much together so quickly!

[@andybasnight91]

We are about to leave this world, don’t be conformed to it. God bless

[@davidwoods6015]

You don't have to leave the planet because heaven is coming to us. The new heaven and new earth and Ps.110.!!!!!!! John 14 is filled with deceased saints, bodiless until the resurrection and 2nd coming.!!!!!!

[@bruce8961]

The Falling away Started about 85yrs ago with the Invention of Radio, telephone, and with TV, It picked up Speed. Then Cellphones even faster. And Now with computers, internet in everyone's hands, The Falling Away is and has happened faster than a super Sonic missile. We now have the World we are Living in and It's getting Darker by the day

[@codymcmurry7511]

Satan has to have the technology in my opinion for his plan to take root it has grown from its early stages but the stage is all set for antichrist to show up and what if the modern hospital system is apart of the plan they take so much info and store it all into something but what is the last phase before we .see what it is?

[@charliekamerer7023]

Listen to Paul's teaching! Why stop at the radio? How about the automobile? The industrial revolution? The printing press? Stop trying to manipulate history to calculate eternity and trust God's providence. The end may not come for a hundred eras yet those who die in Christ are secure.

[@rollinlikeariver7756]

Yeah; the falling away means the mainstream no longer believing the Bible. It's nearly complete. And apparently Believers see the Beast before we leave. WoW

[@AMBoss8561]

For what it is worth, I give you 95% agreement of what I believe. After studying in depth "He who now restrains until He is taken out of the way. . . " refers to the Holy Spirit; you said God, so that is arguable as to whether we agree. However, unlike most pre-tribbers, although the restraining may cease with the removal of the Church, I do not believe the restraining is because the Holy Spirit is removed because of the Church. The "taken out of the way" is not a removal, but rather, the Holy Spirit no longer stands between a person and evil and thus evil will be able to proceed unhindered. However, the restraining may continue after the Rapture for a day, month, year or even longer--we really have no scripture that clarifies why and until when the restraining exist or whether the cessation is instantaneous or gradual, only that it will cease.

[@cliffords2315]

He is Archangel Michael who is Holding Satan and his angels back, he Lets him go, is cast down to Earth with his Angels, ..............The Holy Spirit Is NEVER Taken away, as a mater of fact when Satan as Antichrist is on Earth, Thats when God Pours out his Spirit upon All Flesh, Miracles from Christians all over the world will be Seeing Visions, Dreaming Dreams and Speaking in the "Cloven Tongue' that goes out to all Languages, no interpretation needed. Take the Holy Spirit away from Gods People? God Forbid. Thats Nonsense

[@johndoiron9615]

If the rider on the white horse in Revelation 6 is the antichrist, then the restraint is taken away at the beginning of the tribulation. I think it will be apparent to those who come to faith in Christ who that is, in addition to the testimony of the two witnesses against him, because he will already have made the agreement with Israel.

[@nadiarivera4373]

Sharing what the 1599 Geneva Bible says : Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a departing first, and that that man of sin be disclosed, even the son of perdition.

[@donsavinsky2251]

...AND THE NEXT 6 TRANSLATIONS AGREE WITH JUST " DEPARTURE" WHICH CAN EASILY MEAN THE RAPTURE. BLESSINGS

[@thomasordal8229]

I agree with. " departure first"

[@trulyso734]

@@donsavinsky2251 welll..... as long as you know you are reading into that what it doesnt explicitly state.. and that if you're wrong, you'd be able to recognize the antichrist beasts and not fall away just before that rapture I trust there is grace enough from God to hang on.. as well as to be ready to go at any time (a day we shall not know and that will take all by surprise). Maybe He has appointed each to have the measure of faith and grace to go through what we may live through, all in His good will.

[@mikeforfar9493]

​@@thomasordal8229departure is a departure from the truth. Not a departure from the earth. The Greek word is apostasia. Nothing to do with a rapture.

[@shereewolfe5337]

@@mikeforfar9493Liddell and Scott Greek Lexicon states that apostasia has two definitions. 1. Physical departure from one place to another and 2. Spiritual defection or departure from faith. Context determines the meaning. Apostasia is made up of two words, apo and stasia. Apo means: a motion away from a place or person, the separation of apart from the whole. It is a state of separation, that is of distance - either physical: of distance of place, or temporal: of distance of time. Stasia means: a standing, to stand, exist, have stability. It comes from the root word: Stasis. Together they mean a standing away from, a drawing out from, a separation away from, or a going out from among. This fits exactly with the images of the “great escape” and the “gathering together” of scripture. Apostasia is the feminine form of apostasion, which is a derivative form of aphistēmi, all of which refer to a departure from someone or something. We can’t be dogmatic on the definition, it has two. We have to look at the context. Is 2 Thess 2 talking about spiritual defection, or is Paul referring to our gathering together to Christ, v. 1?

[@Jesusexplains]

🤷‍♂️BROTHER, WHY IS IT SO DIFFICULT to understand that “the day of Christ” is “one day” - that day when we shall be “gathered unto him” (2Thess2:1-2 KJV) Jesus told us four times in a row so that there would be no misunderstanding that he shall raise ALL believers “on the last day” (Jn6:39,40,44,54 KJV) That’s a one-day, one-time “first resurrection” (Rev20:5 KJV) that happens when the “sun and the moon go dark” “immediately AFTER the tribulation”. (Rev6:12-14 Matt24:29-31 KJV)

[@rickywalker3154]

Exactly.

[@justmyopinion7]

Then who are the people in heaven witnessing the opening of the first seal in Rev 5:8-10 and how did they get there hmmmm?

[@Jesusexplains]

@@justmyopinion7 Easy! They are NOT resurrected saints but are the spirits of those who have died in Christ and who Jesus will bring with him one the day of resurrection (the Rapture) 1Thess4:13-14 KJV But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

[@justmyopinion7]

@@Jesusexplains I believe if you are dead you are asleep and knows nothing like the Bible says, and then when Jesus comes to fetch the bride those that have died in Christ will rise first and then those alive will be caught up with them, so for me this makes no sense as everyone that have died are asleep and knows nothing until surrection which will be 1. at the rapture or 2. at the day of judgement. When Jesus comes back during the 2nd coming, His angels will collect the elect but they won't be raptured to heaven, they will go to Jerusalem to see the King taking Kingship of His creation.

[@Jesusexplains]

@@justmyopinion7 Oh, OK. That explains why you believe the point of view you presented, Bruce. Well, as I said to a very dear and close SDA friend just before he passed away. I said, “Well, Jim, don’t be surprised if things turn out better than you expected and you have to enjoy Jesus and the pleasure ms of heaven while you wait for the day of resurrection (the Rapture) to happen!” I never tried to change Jim’s belief, for as long as I knew Jim believed in Jesus as his Saviour, all would be explained to him when he got to heaven. There are just so many scriptures to prove that Ellen White misunderstood and incorrectly taught Ecc9:3-6 KJV with her “the dead know nothing” doctrine.

[@Brian_L_A]

I find it suspicious that this teaching doesn't let Paul explain what the Day of Christ is for himself. Paul uses this phrase five times. So why not let Paul explain what the "Day of Christ" is? 1 Cor. 7 so that you come behind in no gift; waiting for the revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ; 8 who will also confirm you until the end, blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. Phil. 1:6 being confident of this very thing, that he who began a good work in you will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ. Phil. 1:10 so that you may approve the things that are excellent, that you may be sincere and without offense to the day of Christ, Phil. 2:16 holding up the word of life, that I may have something to boast in the day of Christ, that I didn’t run in vain nor labor in vain. 2 Thes. 2:2 not to be quickly shaken in your mind, and not be troubled, either by spirit, or by word, or by letter as if from us, saying that the day of Christ has already come. We can see that the day of Christ is the day Christians are judged at the Judgement Seat of Christ. And, of course 2 Thes. 2:1 sets the subject of the 2 Thes. 2 chapter. 2 Thes. 2:1 Now, brothers, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to him, we ask you We can see the subject of 2 Thes. 2 is the Rapture. We can see there will be no rapture until there is a falling away and the man of sin is revealed.

[@felixgilberto25]

I love this channel. I instantly subscribed

[@bobwunderlich2212]

This is great stuff, Bravo.. I was having a discussion with many of my subscribers concerning these verses. I wasn't content with my understanding and commented that IMO, we are missing something. I found this video and I think I found what I was missing. I need to listen a few more times to really understand but IMO this is good stuff. thanks.

[@2Thes22]

From this passage, the Day of Christ is defined as a period which commences with the Coming of the Lord and our gathering together to him (rapture). Paul is simply expounding on the rapture in 1 Thes. 4:17 with 2 Thes. 2:2 NKJV. “Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come.”

[@bobvanderberg866]

Could the falling away be the church not following true Bible teaching

[@ryangallmeier6647]

Yes! Amen! The "departure," or, "falling away" (Gk. ἀποστασία, apostasia) means: a departure from the faith; a departure from true doctrine. It NEVER means: a departure from the earth (as in a pre-trib. rapture). That's just pure nonsense.

[@Sanctified57]

Yes, pretty much

[@peregrino9154]

No. That's been going on for 2,000 years.

[@ryangallmeier6647]

@ but the "restrainer" had to be removed first (2 Thes. 2:6-7); that was the Roman Empire, which fell in 476 AD.

[@Jae_hX]

I love how you male your points ( great points I'd say ) and yet, don't call them "facts" and are open to other interpretations. I myself am a pre-trib guy because it very much seems that way to me according to the scriptures but I never tell anyone that THIS IS RIGHT, YOU'RE WRONG! I've had people act that way about their points like they're right and I'm doomed if I don't accept that! Pre-trib, mid-trib, post-trib, is not essential to the faith, what is essential is belief in Jesus Christ, the Trinity and being born again. That's what saves us. I did subscribe. God Bless ☝️ ✝️ 🙏 🙌

[@Zanzans000]

Well said. Point is be always on the ready.

[@Tolkienlady]

Well, be careful, and study carefully. Bc though you say it is not a salvation issue, it could be IF you don't stay open minded. Hear me out. 😊 I will admit, what does it matter what one believes about the rapture IF you die before the tribulation begins. But what if you don't? Then there is great danger for the pretrib believers. Why? The Antichrist. The danger of believing that you will escape the tribulation if it is not true, is that when the Antichrist comes, pretribbers will not believe it is him. And regardless of how vile he be, they will say, "It can't be him, bc I'm still here." And when he is charismatic, and promises to make life better, and promises to bring peace to Israel, and all the things the Bible says he will do, including the mark, you will say, "Don't worry this can't be the mark of the beast, bc IM STILL HERE!" There is nothing in scripture that points toward there being a secret revelation. For as Christ is quoted as saying in Luke "For as it was in the days of Noah so shall it be when the Son of Man returns...one will be taken the other left behind." Yes!!! That says it right there! Now think carefully. WHO WAS TAKEN AND WHO WAS LEFT BEHIND?? The EVIL DOERS were taken!!! And the RIGHTEOUS were left behind! And what does the next verse say? The verse that preachers leave out? The very next line the disciples ask Jesus, "Where Lord? Where will they be taken?" And what does Jesus answer?? Does he answer, "They will be taken into Heaven with me." ???? Does he say that? Nope He says this..."Where the dead lay, the carrion fowl gather." Meaning they DIE. Just as in the days of Noah. Think about it. When Christ returns the power of his glory will be so powerful that none could survive it. None. Except...the Holy Spirit can. And we who are still here, bc we have the Holy Spirit within us, we will be changed in a moment to our glorious bodies. At Christ's return will be the ones LEFT standing! And all others will drop dead in a heap pile. And then we will be caught up with Him and we will be spared His wrath and the second judgement of the unrighteous when he raises them to be judged . Christ comes back with a shout and a trumpet and EVERY EYE shall see Him. And righteous dead will be raised up to him to meet him as He returns, and as He returns the Glory of His countenance will change the saved into their eternal bodies in an instant, and the unsaved will die where they stand, and the carrion foul will flock to their flesh. And then, the unrighteous are raised AFTER us, and the Day of the Wrath of the Lord Has come. Yes we are spared His wrath, but the Tribulation, and the Day of Wrath are not the same thing. Anyway I will not tell you you are wrong, bc we all have our beliefs and I like yours better. 😊 But just give these things I've said some place in your mind to ponder. Bc if we are living in the end times, you don't want to imadvertently follow the Antichrist by saying, "Yeah I know he's an awful person, but I think he is a great business man. And that's what we need right now." Be very careful who you follow. And never follow or believe anyone who lives a life of sin. Blessings

[@Jesusandmentalhealth]

Really appreciate the work you put in to these videos...

[@jameschaffey6458]

I am 80, been in church my whole life, raised in a house with a prayer room 20x40’ stain glass windows where we had family devotions 5 days a week. After hearing all views of eschatology and listening to your podcast, my conclusion is. According to Thessalonians 2 Chapter 2. that the day of Christ is the Rapture that takes place after the falling away, which is happening now and the man of lawlessness is revealed at anytime now. His revealing will be a ongoing thing to those who are waiting and watching for Christ return. I believe the tribulation will start right after the rapture on very close after. There is still thing that need to be done before the rapture can take place. More needs to be done to get ready for the third Temple to be built in order for the Antichrist to set himself up in the Temple to be worshipped. Israel needs to be in a better position then they are right now. In order for that to happen the Antichrist needs to be revealed who will help Israel build the Temple. The Antichrist has to be Jewish borne of satan seed and will fulfill Old Testament prophecy about the Jewish Messiah in order to deceive both Jews and dead so called Christians. There is no way this can be accomplished without the Antichrist being Jewish. The Scripture says he came unto His own and they received Him not, but one will come his own name that they will receive. So much more to say in order to put all the pieces together

[@markhauserbible7168]

2Thes 2:3 What part of That DAY (Rapture) shall NOT COME until the man of sin (Antichrist) is REVEALED? (Visibly) Also, Mt24:29,31 Jesus said IMMEDIATLY AFTER the tribulation. Vs 31 Shall GATHER (Resurrect) his elect. How hard are these scriptures to understand?

[@XYZ-qi8fl]

@markhauserbible7168 There hard for those who don't want to go through anything for Christ. You know Jesus paid it all and Jesus wouldn't beat up his bride. I'm being sarcastic. But those are their sayings. By the way, you might enjoy the Masters Voice Prophecy Blog. Her name is Celestial and she has a blog. I've grown a ton since 2020 from that. I'm a lot more ready for persecution now than I was. Thank God for that.

[@XYZ-qi8fl]

How do you know the antichrist setting himself in the temple doesn't mean human temples. The Bible does say we are temples. This generation will take technology into their bodied. The word for that is transhumanism. And also, I had a dream in 2020 that Obama is the man of sin and that persecution is coming. This man is right now behind the scenes in the White House and will be coming into full view. I really didn't have to share this because so many people blow me off or just say we'll see. But where is the urgency to get ready and be ready to stand up urgently for our king. Or will Jesus be met with an embarrassing no.

[@markhauserbible7168]

Thank you brother or sister. When you hear someone say Jesus wouldn't BEAT up his Bride. Ask them did Jesus BEAT up the Apostles? Or was it Satan? Pre-tribers replace Jesus with Satan in many scriptures like Dan 9:27 (It's not the antichrist but Jesus) Rev6:1-2 (It's not antichrist but Jesus) Yours in Christ@@XYZ-qi8fl

[@jessehide7606]

The antichrist should be from middle east, most probably an Arab person. I think he is the muslims' mahdi.

[@ephall63]

The day is the day of His second coming. I am blown away by the lengths you go to make it say the opposite to what it is saying.

[@benwalker578]

The falling away has been ongoing for the last 30 or 40 years! Its been a slow development! Not all at once! Just because that's what people thought doesn't make it so. Our country has been pushing God out of everything as long as I can remember! The falling away is still going on too! This hasn't been a Christian country since before 9/11. God tried to wake us up but we just went right back to sleep!

[@darrellboone9274]

Just the last 30 or 40 years?🤨

[@peregrino9154]

The U.S. was never a Christian country. It's always been pluralistic.

[@terraloft]

Such skillful application of scripture teaching scripture.

[@mikelyons2831]

Interesting perspective. However, can you not see that every first world country (especially those of Christian heritage/founding) have gone secular & have not only embraced transgender/homosexuality & wokeness, but are now very opposed to all-things Christian??

[@rgene3707]

NAILED IT! EXCELLENT BIBLE STUDY!

[@sandrashaeffer6236]

Finally some one is getting it right. 🙌🙌🙏 Explaining the Bible Jesus used a lot of parables and symbols. And our bodies are temple of God. When scribe's and pharissees taking about the temple Jesus says our bodies is temple and building is God's house.

[@charliekamerer7023]

Thank you. Your analysis and teaching is inspired.

[@judyp3582]

I use to think I would be one of the dead in Christ, but now I think I'll be we who are alive.

[@cc.critcher7829]

😅

[@BrotherInChrist]

I believe the Biblical view of the restrainer would lead us to Michael the archangel. It is he who restrains Satan (and lawlessness; 2 Thess 2:7) from the people of God throughout history. He is no longer restraining after he (and his angels) defeat Satan (and his angels), and casts them to the earth... Revelation 12: 7 "Now war arose in heaven, Michael and his angels fighting against the dragon. And the dragon and his angels fought back," Revelation 12:8 "But he was defeated, and there was no longer any place for them in heaven." Revelation 12:9 "And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world-he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him." Revelation 12:10 "And I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, 'Now the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ have come, for the accuser of our brothers has been thrown down, who accuses them day and night before our God.'" Revelation 12:11 "And they have conquered him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, for they loved not their lives even unto death." Revelation 12:12 "Therefore, rejoice, O heavens and you who dwell in them! But woe to you, O earth and sea, for the devil has come down to you in great wrath, because he knows that his time is short!” This accords with the account in Daniel 12... Daniel 12:1 "At that time shall arise Michael, the great prince who has charge of your people. And there shall be a time of trouble, such as never has been since there was a nation till that time. But at that time your people shall be delivered, everyone whose name shall be found written in the book." And... 2 Thessalonians 2:9 "The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders." Blessings

[@DepDawg]

Yes, I absolutely agree.

[@peregrino9154]

Are you a JW?

[@BrotherInChrist]

@peregrino9154 Yes, I am a Jesus Worshiper, blessing you with biblical truth.

[@wan4891]

Thank you very much for your teaching. Concerning the harpazo / rapture, I like to think about Revelation 3:10 in which John describes that we will be kept from the wrath of God. In 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 is described that there will be a ressurrection of the dead and after that we, which are alive, will be caught up; the first ressurrection is also described in Revelation 20:6. Thinking therefore that the rapture will be taken place before the sixth seal, which starts the wrath of God.......?

[@jswhosoever4533]

Wow! Someone actually reads the bible! I think the rapture happens just after the sixth seal is broken though. It's pronounced in ch 6 v 17 but if you read the next chapter you can see that the Lord puts a short hold (half an hour) on starting the wrath.

[@wan4891]

@@jswhosoever4533 Thank you 🙂 Thinking that we, as "born again believers" are beackons in a rough sea for those, who are dwelling in it without a good anchor. Before God energises the winds to a storm, He get His beackons safe with Him.

[@markhauserbible7168]

My advice to pre-tribers is to forget revelations, until you understand what Jesus taught FIRST. It's like understanding calculus before 2+2. The reason Paul said we are not appointed to wrath. 1Thes5:9. Is because the wrath is ONE DAY. (Not 7 years) Rev6:17 DAY. Rm2:5 DAY. Zeph 1:15,18. DAY. This is why Jesus said what he did in Jn6:39-40,44,54. This is also the JUDGMENT DAY for unbelievers. Jn12:48. To God be the Glory

[@jswhosoever4533]

@@markhauserbible7168 🤦🏻‍♀️ just one of the plagues lasts 5 months...

[@tressacalahhensley8694]

Yes, the rapture is the 6th seal for the people who are still a live in the Tribulation! The 7th trumpet blows! then Yahshua comes back.

[@shanecorby2]

I believe as we all should, that the Lord of Lords, is coming after the whole tribulation. We will all go through it. God will protect those, whom do not receive the mark of the beast, only from the plagues reserved for the unrighteous. When Jesus returns , He will resurrect the dead in Christ first than those righteous which are alive to be with Him in the clouds. Those left will be destroyed not to be judged before God for one thousand years leaving satan all alone. Than New Jerusalem will come down where Jesus will luve with us for eternity.

[@A-Grammie-On-the-ROCK]

The Bride will not be beaten up by God's wrath. Jesus comes for us then the Trib starts. We are not appointed to wrath.

[@marlonbrando5342]

Wrong

[@hyeminkwun9523]

Catechism #675 and 677 state that, before the second coming of Christ, the Church MUST follow Her Lord to Calvary, Death, and Resurrection for purification and renewal of the Church and world. The fulfillment of this Dogma is here, as we are now living through the prophesied events in 2 Thes 2:1-12 and the mystery of the iniquity (2 Thes 2:7) -- that's why we have had two popes (one True -- Benedict XVI; and the other false, as seen in the vision of Blessed Anne Catherine Emmerich and prophesied by St. Francis of Assisi, non-canonically elected and destroyer), and great apostasy (2 Thes 2:3) in the Church. God never allows anything to happen before revealing them through his prophets (Amos 3:7) so that His faithful ones may be prepared for the events. With the passing of Benedict XVI (on 12/31/2022), the restrainer, Katechon, has been removed and, therefore, the antichrist will soon appear in public (2 Thes 2:7-8), who will be the head of the 1 world religion, followed by schism after the denial of real presence of Christ in the Holy Eucharist by a false pope, banning of the daily Sacrifice of the Mass (Daniel 12:11), abomination of desolation (Matt 24:15), and fiercest persecutions of the Church (Rev 12:17, 13:10) for 3.5 years (Daniel 12:11-12, Rev 12:14). But God will protect His Church as promised in Matt 16:18, "the gates of Hell shall not prevail against Her" and His faithful remnants (Ps 91). All prophecies of the end times will be fulfilled as written in our generation. After the Schism, the Church will elect the last pope in St. Malachy's prophecy, 'Peter, the Roman', who will lead the Church through the Antichrist's persecutions, during which the Church will go underground, like the early Church during the Roman persecutions. We are the generation specially chosen by God, from the beginning of the creation, to follow in the footsteps of Our Lord to Calvary, Immolation, and Resurrection, for the Praise and Glory of His Name. Let us, therefore, be prepared spiritually for the coming events by praying to God for the graces we need, so that we may fulfill whatever tasks given to us in a perfect manner for His Glory. Let us not fear, but face the coming events in Peace, for He will never leave, nor forsake His faithful, and His grace will be sufficient for us to fulfill the task perfectly (2 Cor 12:9) and remain faithful to the end (Rev 2:10). Amen!

[@justmyopinion7]

Then who are the people in heaven witnessing the opening of the first seal in Rev 5:8-10 and how did they get there hmmmm?

[@DavidJongibo]

​@@A-Grammie-On-the-ROCK The tribulation is not God's wrath. His wrath is not announced arriving as is come until Rev 6:17. Also, read Rev 6:10 which is the fifth seal, and notice the question. If God was judging the earth, there would be no need for the question

[@christiansoldier77]

The falling away happens when Amil Postmil and Pretrib people see that the trubulation is happening and they lose faith

[@Jesus_Messiah_Saves]

🤯

[@2Thes22]

The entire church age is a time of tribulation. Daniel’s 7 year 70th week is never referred to as “The Tribulation Period” in the Bible though the second 3 and a half years could be referred to a Great Tribulation. Daniel’s 70th week also includes God’s Wrath which is also referred to as the Day of the Lord. This might also be the same as the Day of Christ. The Wrath of God is not the same as Tribulation or Great Tribulation which Jesus says Christians will experience. I believe that this passage supports the Pre Wrath Rapture where the rapture occurs within the final 3 1/2 years after great tribulation but before the Wrath of God.

[@bradburt38]

good thought

[@peregrino9154]

LOL. Ok, Rambo.

[@adelevisser8579]

God have everything. And no one is more. God is the Alfa and Omega King of Kings Lord of Lords....so Jesus Christ 🙏 is coming

[@patrickschabel3955]

The falling away is the falling away of the truth it's not the people that are falling away it's the truth that is following Falling Away

[@anjalE30]

The spirit of truth NEVER fails The word ALWAYS ACCOMPLISHES It is the world, the people that are falling and will fall away...into REBELLION Which is Lawlessness This is what allows the lawless one to rise The light of christ will be removed bc man hate the truth - and love the darkness When the world celebrates the death of the 2 witnesses- THAT is the great REBELLION THAT WILL RELEASE ALL HELL AND SATAN WILL RULE LITERALLY Falling away means REBELLION

[@dannisivoccia2712]

The Apostle Paul wrote this letter to the church at Thessalonica. He was addressing to them that the falling away would happen to the church, prior to the coming of the Lord. Even if Paul was saying that there will be a falling away of truth, one must conclude that a falling away from the truth (sound doctrine) most definitely would cause a falling away of those who professed faith in Christ.

[@nzbrotrev9028]

​@@anjalE30 And we are witnessing it right now .

[@DavidJongibo]

Some shall depart the faith taking heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils 1 Timothy 4:1

[@Hernyjoeph]

Sounds right on to me brother, bless you great work

[@mannafromthefatherministries]

I have a question… How is the enemy going to make war with the “Saints” if we’ve all been raptured out? This has been a real question that has stood out in my mind for a while. Thank you so much and God bless you.

[@be_still_and_know_946]

I was confused about that too until I learned that the word 'saints' is found many times in the Psalms and in Daniel and Job, as well as other places in the Old Testament. I have come to understand that the saints mentioned in the book of Revelation who are overcome by the Beast are believers who go through the time of Jacob's trouble, the great tribulation. I believe in the pre tribulation rapture of the saints who are alive at that time, those who have already been saved before the tribulation period.

[@rollinlikeariver7756]

@@be_still_and_know_946 yep

[@dudleygordon6191]

@@be_still_and_know_946 Now you need to understand that the word saint is used many times in the New Testament and refers to Christians that are born again! The word saint/saints is used only 36 times in the OT and is used 62 times in the NT, so what’s your point??? You need to unlearn some false teachings that you have learned! Read and believe the Word of God, let every man be a liar and test teachers with the Word of God, don’t twist the Word of God to support what men teach! Colossians 1:2 KJV To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. Acts 9:13 KJV Then Ananias answered, Lord, I have heard by many of this man, how much evil he hath done to thy saints at Jerusalem: Acts 26:10 KJV Which thing I also did in Jerusalem: and many of the saints did I shut up in prison, having received authority from the chief priests; and when they were put to death, I gave my voice against them. Romans 1:7 KJV To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ. 1 Corinthians 1:2 KJV Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours: 1 Corinthians 14:33 KJV For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. Ephesians 4:12 KJV For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Colossians 1:2 KJV To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

[@dudleygordon6191]

@@be_still_and_know_946 Scripture gymnastics is the twisting of scripture meaning to support what humans want it to say, but not what it really says and means!

[@dudleygordon6191]

@@be_still_and_know_946 If truth matters and it does, you need to make sure your teaching is truthful ! 🤦🏼🤷🏼

[@DavidJongibo]

The great falling away is departing the faith.

[@stevenwoodruff9730]

It is Israel rebuilding the temple and renationalizing animal sacrifices publicly showing the whole world and to all nations their rejection of Jesus as Christ and his life as the final sacrifice for sin. Heb 6:6 - If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

[@ryangallmeier6647]

Amen! That's exactly what "apostasy" means in 2 Thes. 2:3! Nothing to do with a pre-trib. "departure from the earth" (ie. Rapture).

[@peregrino9154]

People have been "falling away from the faith " for 2,000 years. That's hardly a sign of the Antichrist coming on the scene.

[@flashdale]

Be willing to believe and by the holy grace of our father his holy spirit you will receive

[@Dexion845]

This is a perfect example of what a "transliteration" gone wild looks like. Translating from Koine Greek and inserting a definition that was not confirmed. I studied this for a long time. The Word in 2 Thessalonians 2:3 is apostasia which is Greek for "departure" the word can be used in two ways. A simple departure, just like a flight, or a political defection. The word in its basic for simply means "Apo" = move away from "Stacia" = current position it implies a desertion, like if you just ran out of somewhere. It can be used literally and figuratively but most Bible translators decided to go with the figurative stance... But that's problematic because we have absolutely NO IDEA what this figurative departure is and we're left to make up our own idea, all denominations have done this. In simple terms Paul simply stated that the Man of Sin cannot appear until *_The Departure_* happens first. You have to find out what departure he's talking about and that's not hard to find out because he just talked about it in 1 Thessalonians But let's say it's not this way. Let's say Paul was using it to mean its other definition. So now what exactly is THE (used as a noun here) falling away from the faith that happens here? It's impossible for us to know The Catholics say this is the Protestant Reformation, the SDA Church say this is the departure to Sunday instead of keeping the Sabbath.... so on and so forth, if we are to take this route it's simply impossible to know what Paul's talking about because it was not explained with any context supporting it.

[@roguedriver6472]

Good job knowing those facts

[@eppiegallegos102]

​2THESS 2:1. Now we beseech you, brethren , by the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ ( before Jesus Christ comes in the clouds of glory, His coming in His saints it's called the epiphanie a corporate body of the man - child ministry, the 2 witnesses to minister to the church in the tribulation Rev 12:5,6; 2Thess 1:10, Hos 6:1-3; psalm 149:5-9; Isa 60:1,2; Acts 2:16-21; Rev 10:9-11; to preach the everlasting gospel to all creation ), and by our gathering together unto Him ( we gather unto Jesus Christ not religion nor denominations or man ) 2. That ye be not soon shaken in mind ( that's your soul area ), or be troubled, neither by spirit (wrong revelation, doctrines of demons , religious spirits , anti-christ spirit 1Jn 4:1-6; 2Jn verse 7; 2Pet 2:1-3; 1Tim 4:1 ), nor by word ( what's being preached, or taught, Lk 8:15. Jesus told His disciples to be careful with the leaven of the pharisees those are the preacher's of today, and to be careful with the leaven of herod that's your government ), nor by letter ( books, magazine's ,tracks ), as from us, as that the day of the Lord is at hand. 3. Let no man ( preacher, pastor, teacher, false prophet ) deceive ( beguile, trick you, tickle your ear ) by any means: for that day shall not come ( the coming of the Lord ), Except there come a falling away first ( Apostasy defecting from the truth, a great rebellion. 1Tim4:1; 2Tim3:1-5; 2Pet 2:3; Jude 18; Jn 6:66=666) , and the man of sin ( inside of each of us is the man of sin it's called the old man ) be revealed the son of perdition ( Judas iscariot was called the son of perdition by Jesus in Jn 17:12; Jn 13:26,27 SOP means son of perdition or destruction ). 4.Who opposeth and exalteth himself ( we must not exalt Self, the old man, the carnal man, the earthly man, the devilish man, the beastly nature of man, psalms 73:22 King David said , So foolish was I, and ignorant: I was as a beast before thee. We must deny Self, Matt 10:38,39; and die to Self the old man has to be crucified, the book of Roman's is the 6th book in the NT, chapter 6, and verse 6=666, the old man has to be crucified, so the born again, spiritual man, born from above. Christ in you the hope of glory rules your temple) above all that is called God, or is worshipped ( man likes to be worshipped, Self likes to be worshipped, false prophets, pastors, teachers, false apostles, Christian artists, even people in the secular world etc. Just like Lucifer Isa 14:13,14; Ezek 28:1-9; 2Tim 3:1-5; 2Cor 11-1-15 ); so he as God sitteth( look where he sitteth )in the temple of God ( we are the temple of God, God does not dwell in temples made with human hands, our spiritual man is the Holy of holies, the soul is the Holy place, the body is the outer court, Acts 17:24,25; 1Cor 3:16,17; ), shewing himself ( there's that word Self ) that he is God.5. Remember ye not, that when I was yet with you, I told you these things ( the apostle Paul always warned the church of Christ Jesus ) ? 6. And now ye know what withholdeth ( restraineth means to hold back ) that he ( the son of perdition ) might be revealed in his time ( let's go back to verse 3 and will see when the son of perdition will be revealed at the falling away first ).7. For the mystery of iniquity ( lawlessness ) doth already work ( it was already working in Paul's day ): only he ( the Holy Ghost ) who now letteth will let, until he ( the son of perdition ) be taken out of the way, or come out of the midst ( it's a corporate body of son of perdition in the temple of Christ spiritualy speaking, just as Judas iscariot was, the disciples didn't have a clue it was Judas iscariot until he betrayed Jesus Christ with a kiss, when he dip the Sop into the dish satan entered him, and history is going to repeat itself again, the sons of perdition are going to betray the brothers to death. Matt 24:9,10 ) 8. And then shall that Wicked be revealed ( in the NT, they are corporate bodies, Jesus has His body and that's the true church in means called out one's out of religious babylonian churches . Satan also has a body and it's all the children of disobedience among the people of God, the tares, and the goat's, they have a anti christ spirit ). Whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of His mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of His coming.9. Even him ( it's a corporate body of false prophets, Jesus said many false prophets not prophet but many would come in His name. Many serve a different Jesus and a different gospel and a different spirit ) whose coming is after the working of Satan ( that's his body the sons of perdition 2Cor 11:4,13-15; Gal 1:6-9 )with all power and signs (all kinds of deceptions, and counterfeit,) and lying wonders.( Jesus saidm if it were possible the elect could be deceived )10. And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness( 1Jn 2:15-29; James 4:4 )in them ( the apostate people of God )that perish; because they received not the love of the Truth, ( the real true Gospel , they were spiritually blind to truth Isa 66:4), that they might be saved.11. And for this cause God shall send them a strong delusion, ( listen now ) that they should believe a lie ( such as a pre- rapture ) : That they all might damned who believe not the Truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness." My brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus our Lord said He would send the comforter the Holy Ghost and He would be with us and in us, and lead us into all truth. If you have the love of the truth you will not be deceived by the false prophets, and many doctrines of religion and denominations out there. CHRIST IS NOT DIVIDED INTO RELIGION OR DENOMINATIONS. Those are babylonian churches. The Mother Harlot has many daughters, and she and her daughters persecuted Jesus and the apostles and handed them over to be Roman beast of that time. Rev 17:56; Rev 18:24, Matt 23; and history repeats itself again, it's going to happen to the church the body of Christ in the tribulation, if the church believes it or not. You ain't going to fly away, or be raptured up unless you die before the tribulation. The church of Christ Jesus will prevail and come out victoriously and give her life for the Master and Saviour Jesus Christ our Lord. Rev 6:9-11; Rev 13:7; Rev 12:11; and Rev 15:2; Rev 20:4,6

[@jash7401]

There was a falling away before Paul finished his ministry.

[@eppiegallegos102]

@@jash7401 2THESS 2:1. Now we beseech you, brethren , by the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ ( before Jesus Christ comes in the clouds of glory, His coming in His saints it's called the epiphanie a corporate body of the man - child ministry, the 2 witnesses to minister to the church in the tribulation Rev 12:5,6; 2Thess 1:10, Hos 6:1-3; psalm 149:5-9; Isa 60:1,2; Acts 2:16-21; Rev 10:9-11; to preach the everlasting gospel to all creation ), and by our gathering together unto Him ( we gather unto Jesus Christ not religion nor denominations or man ) 2. That ye be not soon shaken in mind ( that's your soul area ), or be troubled, neither by spirit (wrong revelation, doctrines of demons , religious spirits , anti-christ spirit 1Jn 4:1-6; 2Jn verse 7; 2Pet 2:1-3; 1Tim 4:1 ), nor by word ( what's being preached, or taught, Lk 8:15. Jesus told His disciples to be careful with the leaven of the pharisees those are the preacher's of today, and to be careful with the leaven of herod that's your government ), nor by letter ( books, magazine's ,tracks ), as from us, as that the day of the Lord is at hand. 3. Let no man ( preacher, pastor, teacher, false prophet ) deceive ( beguile, trick you, tickle your ear ) by any means: for that day shall not come ( the coming of the Lord ), Except there come a falling away first ( Apostasy defecting from the truth, a great rebellion. 1Tim4:1; 2Tim3:1-5; 2Pet 2:3; Jude 18; Jn 6:66=666) , and the man of sin ( inside of each of us is the man of sin it's called the old man ) be revealed the son of perdition ( Judas iscariot was called the son of perdition by Jesus in Jn 17:12; Jn 13:26,27 SOP means son of perdition or destruction ). 4.Who opposeth and exalteth himself ( we must not exalt Self, the old man, the carnal man, the earthly man, the devilish man, the beastly nature of man, psalms 73:22 King David said , So foolish was I, and ignorant: I was as a beast before thee. We must deny Self, Matt 10:38,39; and die to Self the old man has to be crucified, the book of Roman's is the 6th book in the NT, chapter 6, and verse 6=666, the old man has to be crucified, so the born again, spiritual man, born from above. Christ in you the hope of glory rules your temple) above all that is called God, or is worshipped ( man likes to be worshipped, Self likes to be worshipped, false prophets, pastors, teachers, false apostles, Christian artists, even people in the secular world etc. Just like Lucifer Isa 14:13,14; Ezek 28:1-9; 2Tim 3:1-5; 2Cor 11-1-15 ); so he as God sitteth( look where he sitteth )in the temple of God ( we are the temple of God, God does not dwell in temples made with human hands, our spiritual man is the Holy of holies, the soul is the Holy place, the body is the outer court, Acts 17:24,25; 1Cor 3:16,17; ), shewing himself ( there's that word Self ) that he is God.5. Remember ye not, that when I was yet with you, I told you these things ( the apostle Paul always warned the church of Christ Jesus ) ? 6. And now ye know what withholdeth ( restraineth means to hold back ) that he ( the son of perdition ) might be revealed in his time ( let's go back to verse 3 and will see when the son of perdition will be revealed at the falling away first ).7. For the mystery of iniquity ( lawlessness ) doth already work ( it was already working in Paul's day ): only he ( the Holy Ghost ) who now letteth will let, until he ( the son of perdition ) be taken out of the way, or come out of the midst ( it's a corporate body of son of perdition in the temple of Christ spiritualy speaking, just as Judas iscariot was, the disciples didn't have a clue it was Judas iscariot until he betrayed Jesus Christ with a kiss, when he dip the Sop into the dish satan entered him, and history is going to repeat itself again, the sons of perdition are going to betray the brothers to death. Matt 24:9,10 ) 8. And then shall that Wicked be revealed ( in the NT, they are corporate bodies, Jesus has His body and that's the true church in means called out one's out of religious babylonian churches . Satan also has a body and it's all the children of disobedience among the people of God, the tares, and the goat's, they have a anti christ spirit ). Whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of His mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of His coming.9. Even him ( it's a corporate body of false prophets, Jesus said many false prophets not prophet but many would come in His name. Many serve a different Jesus and a different gospel and a different spirit ) whose coming is after the working of Satan ( that's his body the sons of perdition 2Cor 11:4,13-15; Gal 1:6-9 )with all power and signs (all kinds of deceptions, and counterfeit,) and lying wonders.( Jesus saidm if it were possible the elect could be deceived )10. And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness( 1Jn 2:15-29; James 4:4 )in them ( the apostate people of God )that perish; because they received not the love of the Truth, ( the real true Gospel , they were spiritually blind to truth Isa 66:4), that they might be saved.11. And for this cause God shall send them a strong delusion, ( listen now ) that they should believe a lie ( such as a pre- rapture ) : That they all might damned who believe not the Truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness." My brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus our Lord said He would send the comforter the Holy Ghost and He would be with us and in us, and lead us into all truth. If you have the love of the truth you will not be deceived by the false prophets, and many doctrines of religion and denominations out there. CHRIST IS NOT DIVIDED INTO RELIGION OR DENOMINATIONS. Those are babylonian churches. The Mother Harlot has many daughters, and she and her daughters persecuted Jesus and the apostles and handed them over to be Roman beast of that time. Rev 17:56; Rev 18:24, Matt 23; and history repeats itself again, it's going to happen to the church the body of Christ in the tribulation, if the church believes it or not. You ain't going to fly away, or be raptured up unless you die before the tribulation. The church of Christ Jesus will prevail and come out victoriously and give her life for the Master and Saviour Jesus Christ our Lord. Rev 6:9-11; Rev 13:7; Rev 12:11; and Rev 15:2; Rev 20:4,6

[@robertcain3426]

Thanks for your calm and considered input. Yes, this a problem with translations and you've stated it way better than I ever could. I've looked at the word 'apostasia' and have seen a different meaning; Etymology. From Latin apostasia, from Ancient Greek ἀποστασία (apostasía, “defection, revolt”), from ἀφίστημι (aphístēmi, “I withdraw, revolt”), from ἀπό (apó, “from”) + ἵστημι (hístēmi, “I stand”). This translation fits with my view of what Paul is describing in 2 Thess 2, which is a rebellion/revolt by man/mankind just as that occurred at Babel, where man come together in unity in rebellion to God, desiring to be his own lord and master of his own destiny. The meaning of the name Nimrod is also rebel, as with rebellion. This is rather long comment, I hope you will put up with my ramble of a response. The antichrist/the man of lawlessness is not a 'man' - singular. The phrase, 'man of lawlessness' etc, is the use of a descriptive device known as 'personification'. Also, Rev 12:18 is not referring to 'a' singular man. There is no 'a' in the Greek text. It should be translated as man/mankind. Some translations have correctly ascribed it this way, though not many. This error has been propergated through erroneous tradition. It is mankind/humankind - a united kingdom of man, himself, as at Babel, united in rebellion against God the Creator and his Messiah. 2 Thess 2:4, 'He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God' is speaking metaphorically. It is to say that he man/mankind will think himself superior to everything, his version of what is truth opposes the Word of God. The keys are given in the book of Revelation itself. *It is a kingdom 'which once was (at Babel), now is not (at John's time of writing) but will come again (in the last days), Rev 17:11. *It is the kingdom that is 'an eighth kingdom, which belongs to the seven'. The seven is the chronological complete beast of Gentile kingdoms which were prphecied to come, through Daniel, and unite the world in rebellion (apostasia) to God as first attempted at Babel where God said, if they be unified like this, as one, nothing will be impossible for them. It is the resurrected kingdom of Babel, signified by the denomination of the number eight; a one world government where mankind becomes his own lord and master of his own destiny. *It is the kingdom 'which was wounded by the sword, yet lived', when God went to Babel and 'wounded man/mankind's effort to unite, as one, by confusing his language and dispersing him over the face of the earth. Man/kind has his own gospel to preach to humanity, which opposes the Word of God. His gospel blasphemes the Word of God calling it archaic, barbaric and even unrighteous. The word of man purports to save humankind apart from God and his Christ, Jesus. This is the deception which will be worshipped as truth by all those who are perishing, because they loved the darkness instead of the light. Cheers

[@helenerickson2195]

1599 Geneva Bible Version Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there comes a departing first, and that that man of sin be disclosed, even the son of perdition. - 2 Thessalonians 2:3 ...a departing first...means physical not spiritual. Dr. Andy Woods wrote a book called "The Falling Away" to clarify the verse true meaning. It is worthy to read.

[@helenerickson2195]

Spiritual departure is never new issue, it is from the beginning of evangelist.

[@alsalang9772]

If you look the Greek manuscripts the meaning is apostasia: falling away from faith. It is clear it's not rapture.

[@dudleygordon6191]

@@helenerickson2195 What???

[@dudleygordon6191]

@@helenerickson2195 You’ve been reading too much of Andy Woods word and not enough of God’s Holy Word! Thank you for reading this! 🤷🏼

[@nitarenfrow5967]

I think you are correct good video thought provoking ❤

[@RUGRAF-rf8fi]

Either way should we always be in vigilance and trust in our true Messiah? YAHUSHA(JESUS)

[@michaelrice4591]

Paul makes it perfectly clear in 2 Tim, that some will depart the faith. He does however NOT define what is supposedly "fallen away" from. If it was the faith he would have said so as he does in 2 Tim. In 2 Thess. It should be noted that the first 5 Bibles that were ever written did NOT define aposticia as falling away, but rather defined the word as departure. You can see this for yourself on line. Seen from this perspective the whole chapter flows together, especially at the end with " Comfort yourselves " What comfort would there be in " Maybe I will fall away" Pre trib rapture ? Again, the same verse, we DEPART, then the man of sin is revealed. It's plainly written out. Yet some either can't see it, or choose to ignore it.

[@trulyso734]

In my read, the comfort is in the reminder (past teachings that Paul himself affirm) that there is still a Blessed Hope in the Lord who is with and for us, and will be back as promised in 1Thess 4-5. But not to panic beforehand wondering if their persecution is from the Lord (the Lord's judgements falling on them, or as if the great tribulation is before them already). This is from my own experience of God's reminder of this word anyway. Blessings in Christ,

[@dudleygordon6191]

You’re saying, “The rapture has to happen before the rapture can happen!” 😂😆🤣🤷🏼🤦🏼

[@Amigocontequila]

@@trulyso734 You are correct JanJar but, let me add that according to many theologians, the Thessalonian church was not in persecution. They wrote Paul because the pack of Jews that were following Paul everywhere he went to discredit him and his teaching. The Thess church wanted clarification, because Paul had taught the pre trib rapture. But the Jews were telling them that they were already in the "day of the lord" (trib) Hence Paul telling them you are not in that day because the rapture has not happened yet. but IT WILL !

[@Amigocontequila]

@@dudleygordon6191 Dudley, I have no idea where you are getting that idea.

[@dudleygordon6191]

@@Amigocontequila Departing from the faith, leaving the faith, falling away from the faith means the same thing! But, falling away and gathering together, certainly doesn’t mean the same thing! 🤷🏼 It’s easy to protect a sacred cow, like pretrib, at the expense of the truth, but it’ll never be right!

[@Mancheel]

Pretrib gang babyyyy

[@SladeFuqua]

I have laboured over this passage, "he who now letteth." It seems to me that it is possible that the text is referring to some thing like Satan who may have to restrain the rage of the anti-christ... also, he is not used as a proper noun?

[@SSNBN777]

I too labored. Have you considered the kingdom and power of the secular Emperor had to give way (letteth) for a religious man? Paul wrote he talked about this one who letteth when they met in person, but he wouldn't write down the name in his letter. Some believe he was protecting the Saints should his letter fall into the hands of one of the Emperor's men. 2 Thessalonians 2:5-6 KJV *_Remember_* ye not, that, *_when I was yet with you, I told you these things?_* When Rome fell, it broke into 10 regions (kingdoms), and from there, the Holy Roman Empire, and her “Emperor” (Pontifex Maximus - the same name the Ceasers used) aka the pope, arose and eventually took control of the world. Does the man of sin have to be one man, or can it be every man who currently occupies an office? Is the man of God Paul wrote about, only one man, or is he every man who preaches the Gospel anywhere? Likewise, can't the man of sin be every antiChrist who occupies the papal seat in Rome, each being crowned as God, and then declaring himself to be God through edicts, powers, and dozens of blasphemous titles (the three Latin names inscribed on the passed down coronation Crown each add up to the number six hundred sixty six)? Is it possible the falling away was the Roman Catholic Church and her pagan Roman gods that they renamed Jesus, Mary and the Saints? Today 1.3 billion professing “Christians” follow the Mystery Babylon system, being deceived into believing they are His true Church (physically, they don't believe the Body of Christ is invisible/spiritual).

[@Bestrong61]

I believe you are right on the mark

[@uncommon475]

Your interpretation of the Restrainer in 2Thess2:6 is correct. Revelation 5:1-14 explains why Jesus Christ, the Lamb, is not only the One receiving the scroll. But also opening each seal and Rev 5:9 gives the reason for His worthiness to open the seals. Also, Rev 5:5 further echoes this sentiment. As it hearkens back to Isaiah 11:1-9. Rev 6:1 presents the first of seven seals. Which is the second half of the seven years when the abomination of desolation is committed. Dan 9:27, Matt 24:15, and Rev 13:5-7. The events happening in heaven also correspond to the events happening on earth. It is interesting that this is when the antichrist brings an end to sacrifice and offering. Dan9:27And the Lamb who is worthy to take the scroll (Rev 5:9) and Heb 9:11-15 is at the same time opening the seal. (Rev 6:1) The sixth seal is when the 144,000 or all the tribes of the children of Israel are sealed. which is a reference to Genesis 49:8-10 The sons of Jacob and the spiritual significance of Judah. Additionally, Rev 7:5 lists the tribe of Judah sealed first. Thereby confirming the special and significant reference to Judah.

[@theWarriorBrideofChristmatt723]

The Holy Spirit is restraining the AC, the same way he is keeping me hidden to my enemies to keep me safe...

[@theWarriorBrideofChristmatt723]

They think they have a crazy lady under their control 🤪 and they made their decision to join thinking they could never get caught, never stopped and never beaten....oops!

[@DavidJongibo]

The he (pronoun) who restrains has to be identified with a antecedent. The Holy Spirit is not mentioned in 2 Thessalonians 2, and therefore can't be the Holy Spirit. Example to identifying pronouns: take 2 Thessalonians 2:6 KJV And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. We know the he that's revealed is the man of sin, because of the antecedent passage 2 Thessalonians 2:3 KJV Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; The same rule applies to identifying the he in 2 Thessalonians 2:7. Without a antecedent, no one can identify a pronoun. Find the antecedent to the he in 2 Thessalonians 2:7, and you have the he who restrains.

[@marylingerfelt6537]

​@@DavidJongibo By that logic, the AC can't be revealed until the AC is taken out of the way. ...???

[@bethelshiloh]

Doesn’t Paul say WHEN YOU SEE the AoD happen? How can they SEE this happen unless they/we will be here WHEN that happens?

[@donsavinsky2251]

THOSE WORDS WERE FOR THE JEWISH PEOPLE IN ISRAEL DURING JACOB'S TROUBLE= DANIEL'S 70TH WEEK= SEVEN YEAR TRIBULATION MARK 13:37!!!

[@dianetrue2396]

Yes. For the Jews. In their Temple. Not Gentiles not in a church. Honestly. Read within context and to whom is it speaking? I'm not going to flee to the mountains of Judea either...

[@Anthony-ix3rp]

prophecy can have present and future application. Was the Lord's Communion supper only for the Jews ? Was the Great Commission only for the Jews ?@@donsavinsky2251

[@Anthony-ix3rp]

Great point. Look at Revelation 13:18 too. We are to count the number of the beast .Therefore we look out to see who it is.

[@Anthony-ix3rp]

Where in the bible does it say 7 years of Tribulation, because I see Tribulation and Wrath in the final 7 years.@@donsavinsky2251

[@michaelogrady232]

The falling away is thinking you can be woke and Christian at the same time.

[@GodFamilyHonorCountry]

I think so as well

[@kionamcnutt8630]

Watered down submissive Christianity. Not speaking or telling the truth for fear of the wrath of man. Making God out to be Santa Claus.

[@leroybroun4106]

regarding the restrainer, the Bible tells us who is the restrainer, see 2Thess 2:9, which says it's the WORKING of Satan with ALL power. if someone other than satan is doing the restrainer, then it's not the "working" of satan and this restrainer has a lot of power here, which means satan only has SOME power in the matter and not ALL power. If satan is doing the working and has ALL power in the matter he has to be the restrainer. and he's probably taken out of the way when Michael stands up and kicks him out of the heavens onto earth, physically.

[@LonLo-fi7wc]

Restrainer is Jesus , Apollyon is being restrained in the pit , Jesus authorizes and angel to come down and open the pit , the a host of demonic Watcher angels and their king apollyon will be unrestrained and be released into the world , Rev 9 and apollyon wil be indwelt into the man of sin and he becomes the son of satan who will be working the signs and wonders of deception

[@leroybroun4106]

@@LonLo-fi7wc i actually also think that appolyon is the antichrist. however, if Jesus is the restrainer then 2Th 2:9 cannot be true because the coming of the lawless one is NOT by the working of satan with ALL power; the restrainer has MORE power in the matter, so satan would have but a little power. Appolyon could be released long before the antichrist is revealed, he might be out now but he just hasn't sent his locusts yet.

[@PhillipOsborne-rf6nr]

Aman.

[@PhillipOsborne-rf6nr]

Aman.

[@DavidJongibo]

Apollyon is a heavenly angel, not demonic. He opens the pit at the fifth trumpet. The angel that opens the pit is the same angel of Revelation 20:1 KJV And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

[@ChrisG-cy2om]

CJ Lovok from Rock Island books is a fantastic Bible teacher and he is also a pre-trib believer. He showed that Christ would return in 2030. Unfortunately, when the Rapture did not happen a couple months ago, he moved to goal post to 2031. That is the kind of thing the pre-trip Rapture position does. He was right the first time but he had to adjust his wonderful teaching based on his faulty rapture doctrine. .

[@bonniebarbee7984]

No one knows the day or time except God the Father Jesus told us that so any man that predicts it is False !!

[@ChrisG-cy2om]

@@bonniebarbee7984 If I say no one knows something right now, it doesn't mean no one will ever know. Daniel was told there would be an unsealing at the time of the end and the wise would understand. Jesus told His disciples to keep watch, and that it would be a bad thing to be surprised when He comes as a thief.

[@bugsocsollie1694]

​@ChrisG-cy2om Jesus did not speak of a rapture. Jesus was speaking to Israel and Israel has been told from the beginning that they would endure that time of testing: they will not be raptured but tested. He did however, tell them that they should pray that they are found worthy to escape all these things of the Great Tribulation, and we learn from Revelation that the 144,000 Jews do in fact escape great Tribulation (2nd half) of Israel's 70th week. But that is not the Body of Christ Church. The 144,000 Jews are also the man child of Revelation 12 sign. They are taken up to God so that the dragon does not devour him. The Body of Christ Church is raptured before the man of sin is revealed, before Israel's 70th week even begins.

[@AmandathePandaBooks]

The day of Christ is the day of God, day of the Lord, a day of gloom, deep darkness destruction, devestation. 2 peter says so. Read in in context. Day of Christ in kjv, day of the Lord day of God in nasb. Same verses.

[@willschmidt2470]

Date setters must always move the goal posts because they are false teachers.

[@hots4jc]

WE ARE THE TRIBULATION SAINTS! Let’s take 1Thess. 4:14 apart line by line. “For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them ALSO which sleep in Jesus, will God bring with Him.” (Jesus) As we know, when Jesus died on the cross, He arose. THEN it says “THEM ALSO which sleep in Jesus, will God bring with Him”. “…will God BRING WITH HIM.” This is saying that when Jesus rose, all those who died IN Christ, or walked holy before the Lord…rose also with Jesus at that time. How else could Jesus say to the thief “Today, you will be with Me in Paradise” IF there is a Pre or Mid-Trib Rapture? The dead-in-Christ has already happened! Also remember that when Jesus died, the scriptures say in Matthew 27:51 “At that moment the curtain in the Temple was ripped in two from top to bottom; and there was an earthquake, with rocks splitting apart. 52 Also the graves were opened, and the bodies of many HOLY PEOPLE who had died were raised to life; 53 and after Jesus rose, they came out of the graves and went into the holy city, where many people saw them.” NOTICE that they were raised to life, but did not come out of the grave until Jesus rose. You may ask the question, as I did, “What happened to them. Did they live a life and then die again?” The Word does not say, but I can only assume that they went back up to heaven after being seen by the people, like Jesus did. 2 Thess. 2:1 “But in connection with the coming of our Lord Jesus the Messiah and OUR GATHERING TOGETHER TO MEET HIM, (Speaking of the Rapture), we ask you, brothers, 2 not to be easily shaken in your thinking or anxious because of a spirit or a spoken message or a letter supposedly from us claiming that the Day of the Lord has already come. 3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way. FOR THE DAY WILL NOT COME until after the Apostasy has come and the man who separates himself from Torah has been revealed, the one destined for doom. 4 He will oppose himself to everything that people call a god or make an object of worship; he will put himself above them all, so that he will sit in the Temple of God and proclaim that he himself is God.” It is clear that here that the Rapture will not happen until after the Anti-christ has come. Yes we will be raptured but not until Jesus 2nd Coming, and as we know, the Tribulation is going on at that time. Jesus will deal with the wicked FIRST BY FIRE, and THEN He will Harvest (Rapture) His Church. Here’s proof… 1 Cor. 15:22 For just as in connection with Adam all die, so in connection with the Messiah all will be made alive. 23 BUT EACH IN HIS OWN ORDER: the Messiah is the firstfruits; THEN those who belong to the Messiah, at the TIME OF HIS COMING; 24 THEN the culmination, when he hands over the Kingdom to God the Father, after having put an end to every rulership, yes, to every authority and power. “ Also…Matthew 13:30 speaking of the wheat and,the tares. “Let them both grow together until the harvest; and at harvest-time I will tell the reapers to collect the WEEDS FIRST and tie them in bundles to be BURNED, but to gather the wheat into my barn.’”

[@joekaufman5620]

The great falling away or great apostasy. When the antichrist shows up at the 6 vile, the bible says MOST will be deceived and fall away from there professed beliefs, because they think it is Jesus come to rapture them away, so now Satan is there belief . Don't listen to man, study to find yourself approved.

[@Jesusexplains]

❤❤❤ Brother, if you connect the dots ee shall be in not doubt what Paul meant by the “day of Christ”. That day is the day of our gathering unto him. Simple! The “day of Christ” is one day - the first day of the thousand year “day of the Lord” - “in the which” (during which time) the earth shall be judged with fire”. (See 2Pet3:7,10 KJV)

[@joeynelms]

What if the restrainer is the archangel Michael? Daniel 12;1 - At that time shall arise Michael, the great prince who has charge of your people. And there shall be a time of trouble, such as never has been since there was a nation till that time. But at that time your people shall be delivered, everyone whose name shall be found written in the book.

[@deha11mo]

I don't think so

[@joeynelms]

@@deha11mo That's fine, but he's still a possibility. Unfortunately we don't have Paul's sermons that he preached in the Thessalonian church to know exactly who the "he" is. But he defiantly preached out of the Tanakh (Old Testament).

[@davidwilliams4498]

We sre in that end time sign now. It means what it says many are falling away from church orayer godliness etc

[@normmcinnis4102]

I find that the "falling away" is the rapture which is the one thing that brings out the Man of sin. He then "makes the Covenant for one week (the time of Jacob's trouble) with Israel allowing them to rebuild the temple and resumes the animal sacrifices. In the middle of this "week" , he breaks the covenant and brings in the Abomination of Desolation.

[@DavidJongibo]

Fall is to drop down: not up. Also, Jacob's trouble was the 70 yr captivating of Israel under the Babylonians/Nebakaneezar and has nothing to do with the tribulation. Nowhere in the New Testament will you read that Jacob's trouble is used interchangeably with the tribulation to define the tribulation as Jacob's trouble.

[@Eat_like_Irving]

No

[@peregrino9154]

@@DavidJongiboYou didn't even listen to the video. Stop being so brainwashed.

[@PeterIllini85]

The Rapture and the Second Coming have very different circumstances. Rapture is meeting the Lord in the air/clouds. Second Coming has a judgment component to it whereas the Rapture does not. Two separate events.

[@dianetrue2396]

One is he meets us in the clouds. Second is his feet are on the Mt. Of Olives. Big difference indeed

[@eppiegallegos102]

​2THESS 2:1. Now we beseech you, brethren , by the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ ( before Jesus Christ comes in the clouds of glory, His coming in His saints it's called the epiphanie a corporate body of the man - child ministry, the 2 witnesses to minister to the church in the tribulation Rev 12:5,6; 2Thess 1:10, Hos 6:1-3; psalm 149:5-9; Isa 60:1,2; Acts 2:16-21; Rev 10:9-11; to preach the everlasting gospel to all creation ), and by our gathering together unto Him ( we gather unto Jesus Christ not religion nor denominations or man ) 2. That ye be not soon shaken in mind ( that's your soul area ), or be troubled, neither by spirit (wrong revelation, doctrines of demons , religious spirits , anti-christ spirit 1Jn 4:1-6; 2Jn verse 7; 2Pet 2:1-3; 1Tim 4:1 ), nor by word ( what's being preached, or taught, Lk 8:15. Jesus told His disciples to be careful with the leaven of the pharisees those are the preacher's of today, and to be careful with the leaven of herod that's your government ), nor by letter ( books, magazine's ,tracks ), as from us, as that the day of the Lord is at hand. 3. Let no man ( preacher, pastor, teacher, false prophet ) deceive ( beguile, trick you, tickle your ear ) by any means: for that day shall not come ( the coming of the Lord ), Except there come a falling away first ( Apostasy defecting from the truth, a great rebellion. 1Tim4:1; 2Tim3:1-5; 2Pet 2:3; Jude 18; Jn 6:66=666) , and the man of sin ( inside of each of us is the man of sin it's called the old man ) be revealed the son of perdition ( Judas iscariot was called the son of perdition by Jesus in Jn 17:12; Jn 13:26,27 SOP means son of perdition or destruction ). 4.Who opposeth and exalteth himself ( we must not exalt Self, the old man, the carnal man, the earthly man, the devilish man, the beastly nature of man, psalms 73:22 King David said , So foolish was I, and ignorant: I was as a beast before thee. We must deny Self, Matt 10:38,39; and die to Self the old man has to be crucified, the book of Roman's is the 6th book in the NT, chapter 6, and verse 6=666, the old man has to be crucified, so the born again, spiritual man, born from above. Christ in you the hope of glory rules your temple) above all that is called God, or is worshipped ( man likes to be worshipped, Self likes to be worshipped, false prophets, pastors, teachers, false apostles, Christian artists, even people in the secular world etc. Just like Lucifer Isa 14:13,14; Ezek 28:1-9; 2Tim 3:1-5; 2Cor 11-1-15 ); so he as God sitteth( look where he sitteth )in the temple of God ( we are the temple of God, God does not dwell in temples made with human hands, our spiritual man is the Holy of holies, the soul is the Holy place, the body is the outer court, Acts 17:24,25; 1Cor 3:16,17; ), shewing himself ( there's that word Self ) that he is God.5. Remember ye not, that when I was yet with you, I told you these things ( the apostle Paul always warned the church of Christ Jesus ) ? 6. And now ye know what withholdeth ( restraineth means to hold back ) that he ( the son of perdition ) might be revealed in his time ( let's go back to verse 3 and will see when the son of perdition will be revealed at the falling away first ).7. For the mystery of iniquity ( lawlessness ) doth already work ( it was already working in Paul's day ): only he ( the Holy Ghost ) who now letteth will let, until he ( the son of perdition ) be taken out of the way, or come out of the midst ( it's a corporate body of son of perdition in the temple of Christ spiritualy speaking, just as Judas iscariot was, the disciples didn't have a clue it was Judas iscariot until he betrayed Jesus Christ with a kiss, when he dip the Sop into the dish satan entered him, and history is going to repeat itself again, the sons of perdition are going to betray the brothers to death. Matt 24:9,10 ) 8. And then shall that Wicked be revealed ( in the NT, they are corporate bodies, Jesus has His body and that's the true church in means called out one's out of religious babylonian churches . Satan also has a body and it's all the children of disobedience among the people of God, the tares, and the goat's, they have a anti christ spirit ). Whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of His mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of His coming.9. Even him ( it's a corporate body of false prophets, Jesus said many false prophets not prophet but many would come in His name. Many serve a different Jesus and a different gospel and a different spirit ) whose coming is after the working of Satan ( that's his body the sons of perdition 2Cor 11:4,13-15; Gal 1:6-9 )with all power and signs (all kinds of deceptions, and counterfeit,) and lying wonders.( Jesus saidm if it were possible the elect could be deceived )10. And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness( 1Jn 2:15-29; James 4:4 )in them ( the apostate people of God )that perish; because they received not the love of the Truth, ( the real true Gospel , they were spiritually blind to truth Isa 66:4), that they might be saved.11. And for this cause God shall send them a strong delusion, ( listen now ) that they should believe a lie ( such as a pre- rapture ) : That they all might damned who believe not the Truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness." My brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus our Lord said He would send the comforter the Holy Ghost and He would be with us and in us, and lead us into all truth. If you have the love of the truth you will not be deceived by the false prophets, and many doctrines of religion and denominations out there. CHRIST IS NOT DIVIDED INTO RELIGION OR DENOMINATIONS. Those are babylonian churches. The Mother Harlot has many daughters, and she and her daughters persecuted Jesus and the apostles and handed them over to be Roman beast of that time. Rev 17:56; Rev 18:24, Matt 23; and history repeats itself again, it's going to happen to the church the body of Christ in the tribulation, if the church believes it or not. You ain't going to fly away, or be raptured up unless you die before the tribulation. The church of Christ Jesus will prevail and come out victoriously and give her life for the Master and Saviour Jesus Christ our Lord. Rev 6:9-11; Rev 13:7; Rev 12:11; and Rev 15:2; Rev 20:4,6

[@dannisivoccia2712]

We also must take into consideration that both the rapture, and the resurrection of those who have slept in Christ (non-visible coming of Christ as a thief), could happen on the same day that Christ returns visibly at Armageddon.

[@eppiegallegos102]

@@dannisivoccia2712 ​2THESS 2:1. Now we beseech you, brethren , by the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ ( before Jesus Christ comes in the clouds of glory, His coming in His saints it's called the epiphanie a corporate body of the man - child ministry, the 2 witnesses to minister to the church in the tribulation Rev 12:5,6; 2Thess 1:10, Hos 6:1-3; psalm 149:5-9; Isa 60:1,2; Acts 2:16-21; Rev 10:9-11; to preach the everlasting gospel to all creation ), and by our gathering together unto Him ( we gather unto Jesus Christ not religion nor denominations or man ) 2. That ye be not soon shaken in mind ( that's your soul area ), or be troubled, neither by spirit (wrong revelation, doctrines of demons , religious spirits , anti-christ spirit 1Jn 4:1-6; 2Jn verse 7; 2Pet 2:1-3; 1Tim 4:1 ), nor by word ( what's being preached, or taught, Lk 8:15. Jesus told His disciples to be careful with the leaven of the pharisees those are the preacher's of today, and to be careful with the leaven of herod that's your government ), nor by letter ( books, magazine's ,tracks ), as from us, as that the day of the Lord is at hand. 3. Let no man ( preacher, pastor, teacher, false prophet ) deceive ( beguile, trick you, tickle your ear ) by any means: for that day shall not come ( the coming of the Lord ), Except there come a falling away first ( Apostasy defecting from the truth, a great rebellion. 1Tim4:1; 2Tim3:1-5; 2Pet 2:3; Jude 18; Jn 6:66=666) , and the man of sin ( inside of each of us is the man of sin it's called the old man ) be revealed the son of perdition ( Judas iscariot was called the son of perdition by Jesus in Jn 17:12; Jn 13:26,27 SOP means son of perdition or destruction ). 4.Who opposeth and exalteth himself ( we must not exalt Self, the old man, the carnal man, the earthly man, the devilish man, the beastly nature of man, psalms 73:22 King David said , So foolish was I, and ignorant: I was as a beast before thee. We must deny Self, Matt 10:38,39; and die to Self the old man has to be crucified, the book of Roman's is the 6th book in the NT, chapter 6, and verse 6=666, the old man has to be crucified, so the born again, spiritual man, born from above. Christ in you the hope of glory rules your temple) above all that is called God, or is worshipped ( man likes to be worshipped, Self likes to be worshipped, false prophets, pastors, teachers, false apostles, Christian artists, even people in the secular world etc. Just like Lucifer Isa 14:13,14; Ezek 28:1-9; 2Tim 3:1-5; 2Cor 11-1-15 ); so he as God sitteth( look where he sitteth )in the temple of God ( we are the temple of God, God does not dwell in temples made with human hands, our spiritual man is the Holy of holies, the soul is the Holy place, the body is the outer court, Acts 17:24,25; 1Cor 3:16,17; ), shewing himself ( there's that word Self ) that he is God.5. Remember ye not, that when I was yet with you, I told you these things ( the apostle Paul always warned the church of Christ Jesus ) ? 6. And now ye know what withholdeth ( restraineth means to hold back ) that he ( the son of perdition ) might be revealed in his time ( let's go back to verse 3 and will see when the son of perdition will be revealed at the falling away first ).7. For the mystery of iniquity ( lawlessness ) doth already work ( it was already working in Paul's day ): only he ( the Holy Ghost ) who now letteth will let, until he ( the son of perdition ) be taken out of the way, or come out of the midst ( it's a corporate body of son of perdition in the temple of Christ spiritualy speaking, just as Judas iscariot was, the disciples didn't have a clue it was Judas iscariot until he betrayed Jesus Christ with a kiss, when he dip the Sop into the dish satan entered him, and history is going to repeat itself again, the sons of perdition are going to betray the brothers to death. Matt 24:9,10 ) 8. And then shall that Wicked be revealed ( in the NT, they are corporate bodies, Jesus has His body and that's the true church in means called out one's out of religious babylonian churches . Satan also has a body and it's all the children of disobedience among the people of God, the tares, and the goat's, they have a anti christ spirit ). Whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of His mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of His coming.9. Even him ( it's a corporate body of false prophets, Jesus said many false prophets not prophet but many would come in His name. Many serve a different Jesus and a different gospel and a different spirit ) whose coming is after the working of Satan ( that's his body the sons of perdition 2Cor 11:4,13-15; Gal 1:6-9 )with all power and signs (all kinds of deceptions, and counterfeit,) and lying wonders.( Jesus saidm if it were possible the elect could be deceived )10. And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness( 1Jn 2:15-29; James 4:4 )in them ( the apostate people of God )that perish; because they received not the love of the Truth, ( the real true Gospel , they were spiritually blind to truth Isa 66:4), that they might be saved.11. And for this cause God shall send them a strong delusion, ( listen now ) that they should believe a lie ( such as a pre- rapture ) : That they all might damned who believe not the Truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness." My brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus our Lord said He would send the comforter the Holy Ghost and He would be with us and in us, and lead us into all truth. If you have the love of the truth you will not be deceived by the false prophets, and many doctrines of religion and denominations out there. CHRIST IS NOT DIVIDED INTO RELIGION OR DENOMINATIONS. Those are babylonian churches. The Mother Harlot has many daughters, and she and her daughters persecuted Jesus and the apostles and handed them over to be Roman beast of that time. Rev 17:56; Rev 18:24, Matt 23; and history repeats itself again, it's going to happen to the church the body of Christ in the tribulation, if the church believes it or not. You ain't going to fly away, or be raptured up unless you die before the tribulation. The church of Christ Jesus will prevail and come out victoriously and give her life for the Master and Saviour Jesus Christ our Lord. Rev 6:9-11; Rev 13:7; Rev 12:11; and Rev 15:2; Rev 20:4,6

[@nealmcbaggins127]

It doesn't happen before the end of the tribulation. Jesus told us the wicked would be gathered FIRST

[@arnulfoforonda7534]

Thank you Josh!

[@thebookofrevelationreveale4722]

One other thing, Daniel 9:24 gives us a very important clue to why we only read of 3.5 years and not 7 yrs of Satan and the Antichrist rule on earth in the entire book of Revelation and that is this ….. I’ve capitalized the key words…. “Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an END OF SINS, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in EVERLASTING RIGHTEOUSNESS , and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.” ‭‭Daniel‬ ‭9‬:‭24‬ ‭KJV‬‬ People forget that SATAN will be allowed out of his prison to deceive the nations once more AFTER the millennial reign of Christ ! There is no way EVERLASTING righteousness and and END of sin can be accomplished at Armageddon, no, not until Satan is placed into the lake of fire after he has ANOTHER 3.5 years after the millennial. 3.5 yrs after the rapture and 3.5 years after the millennial reign of Christ! This is why we read that the GREAT WHITE THRONE JUDGEMENT isn’t until AFTER Satan is dealt with once and for all, after the millennial reign of Christ.

[@ryangallmeier6647]

The 70th week of Dan. 9:24-27 has NOTHING to do with the prophecy of the "1,260 days/42 months/'time, times, half a time'" prophecy. They are different and temporally SEPARATE prophecies! The 70th week was fulfilled in the 3.5 year ministry of Jesus, and subsequent 3.5 of preaching by the Apostles to the Jews (after completion of the 70th week, the Gospel went out to the Gentiles). The 1,260 days/42 months/'time, times, half a time' prophecy didn't begin until some time AFTER the Fall of the Roman Empire (476 AD). 1,260 days = 1,260 literal YEARS (day = year principle in prophetic interpretation). Hope that helps. *Soli Deo Gloria*

[@maejeannerez]

The AOD is NOT the falling away, it's when the Anti-christ sits in the temple and declares himself the be God.

[@bruce8961]

Well, Not so much. The Falling Away picked up Speed with the Invention of the Telephone and Radio, picked up more speed with the TV, and then The Cellphones. And when the Internet and computers, tablets and cellphones of Today Plus June 26, 2015 The falling away took off like a super sonic Missile. Will The Lord find Faith when He returns? America is The Sin Capital of The world, just Like in Noah's or Lot's day. Well, how did that work Out?

[@JaclynRuff]

@bruce8961 Amen & Amen

[@Antiguanian]

​@@bruce8961the Abimination of Desolation is the ANTICHRIST sitting in the Holy of Holies in the rebuilt Third Temple.

[@bruce8961]

@@Antiguanian ??? Did I ask a question or Say something different? But since we're on "The Antichrist", is he Living on Earth now? And when will we know? About how many more years will we be on this Planet? And do you know that No most People in Churches Today are more Lost than The Lost and Believe they are Saved?

[@BrianNairn-kz4hs]

Amen, Jesus warned the abomination of desolation will be "standing" in the Holy place, where it should not be. Clearly the antichrist will be standing in the Holy of Holies with some kind of blasphemous statue or image and then he will sit down in the third temple claiming and showing himself to be god. But he is not God. But he will provoke the real God in heaven to an outbreak of his wrath

[@ChrisG-cy2om]

The only other place the Greek word for rebellion or apostasy is used is here... Acts 21:21 NIV - They have been informed that you teach all the Jews who live among the Gentiles to turn away from Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children or live according to our customs. Note the context. The people rebelled against Moses. The apostasy is the people rebelling against /falling away from Christ.

[@ChrisG-cy2om]

2 Peter 3:17 NIV - Therefore, dear friends, since you have been forewarned, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of the lawless and fall from your secure position. Yes, some Christians will fall away, rebel, become apostate and fall from their secure positions.

[@62TBirdMan]

I personally believe that the “falling away” means many Christians will leave their faith and I further believe that “The Day of the Lord” is the 1,000 year reign of Jesus.

[@yzhang8888]

I agree with your first part - mean many Christain leave their faith, but not agree the 2nd part.

[@christiansoldier77]

​@@yzhang8888It couldnt possibly mean anything else. The day of the Lord is God's wrath on the evil world

[@linusarthur5634]

There is no Jesus in heaven u waiting in vain.

[@christiansoldier77]

@@linusarthur5634 Say that to Him when you face Him lol 🤣🤣😆😆

[@YHWHLOVESYOU2]

They will follow their sexual lusts and the road to Hell.

[@jayjay-bz3rr]

It’s a shame that the Apostle Paul wasn’t specifically clear to us today about 2nd Thessalonians 2:1-7. If Paul was clear, we wouldn’t be arguing about this scripture passage today.

[@justmyopinion7]

It's for a reason.... Prov 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

[@cindeec688]

Maybe the falling away is like what's happening now, people are falling away from the word of God, they are falling away from jesus, the man of sin is being revealed .. him or her or them, they. ?

[@kionamcnutt8630]

Yes, people are turning away from the truth and allowing seducing spirits to deceive them . Or they're turning from the truth out of fear because they don't want to be targeted by the Antichrist army out there right now. They drink the new world order Kool aid, fall in line and accept the new morality that rebels against God. It's going along with the misguided attempt to create peace on earth without the Prince of Peace.

[@DavidJongibo]

Only those in the faith can fall away.

[@Mike65809]

The rapture cannot be imminent since Paul made it clear that before our gathering together unto him (the rapture) there apostasy must occur and the man of lawlessness be revealed. So how can it be imminent?

[@Mike65809]

Answer: it obviously isn't.

[@LyleCooper]

"There is very little doubt that Paul is referring to a departure from the truth..." This is what many believe Paul meant, a departure from the faith or from the truth. However, Paul never even hinted what what this departing was about or who would be departing from whom? If we say he meant a departing from the faith, we would be guessing, for Paul never wrote that. "apo," the first part of this compound Greek verb, means a departure, or more specific, a departure of a part of the whole, from the rest of the whole. Stasia, the other part of the Greek compound word means something stationary or standing. Does Paul give us a hint as to who is departing from who? Yes, I believe he does. We need only to look back at Paul's theme: the departing of the church at the rapture. At the end of verse 3, we notice that the man of sin IS revealed. Yet in verses 6, 7, and 8, we read that he cannot be revealed until or unless the power restraining or holding back the revealing is first "taken out of the way" or (dare we say), departed. Therefore, somewhere in verse 3a we MUST find where the power restraining has departed or has been "taken out of the way." I can find only one word that could possibly fit: Paul's use of the Greek word, apostasia. So it is either a departing of the church (and the Holy Spirit in the church) that Paul had in mind, which agrees with Paul's theme, or it is a falling away (from what Paul does not tell). Which is most likely to the the restrainer being taken out of the way? If one chooses a falling away, then Paul's theme of the rapture is not satisfied.

[@WinstonHammerud]

Check out Dr. Andy Wood’s short book on “the falling away” he gives 10 reasons it refers to the rapture including assessing the word “apostasia.”

[@oldmanjoe6808]

Mt.24:29-31 tells us plainly that the Day Christ returns is the Day of the Rapture, not before, and it is also Judgment Day, 2Tim.4:1 and 2Thes.2:1-12 concur. The sequence of events is told us beginning in Mt.24:3 as Jesus answers the question in that chapter put to Him. He concludes by saying we've been told in advance, vs.25. Because we are told in advance thereby we can spot false prophets who change times and events as in Dan.7:25. There simply is no Pre-Trib Rapture without changing times and events. Neither is there a thousand year reign of Christ in Person from Jerusalem because we've been told in advance clearly of the unfolding of End Time events. When Christ returns, it is the end of the Great Tribulation, it is the Rapture and Judgment Day all spelled out clearly in Mt.24, et al.

[@christiansoldier77]

@oldmanjoe6808 There is a 1000 reign. Rev 20 says it about 6 different times just to make sure you get it

[@oldmanjoe6808]

@@christiansoldier77 Wrong and off topic. You obviously never studied the doctrine, only applied denominational reasoning to the thousand years. For example, which you've ignored, is 2Tim.4:1 which clearly tells us that when Christ returns it is Judgment Day. You rebel and counter this simple statement. Same with Mt.24:29:31, you counter Christ on this, too. I will thank you not to darken my mailbox again with your anti-Christ denominational perversion of Holy Scripture.

[@christiansoldier77]

@@oldmanjoe6808 Yes when Jesus comes back it will be to judge the sinful world . This is called the Wrath of God or the Day of the Lord when the 7 vials and bowls will be poured out on the world. I think you are confusing judgement day with the great white throne judgement. Those are two different things . No need for you to get hostile . It's all good 👍

[@YaMattyBoi]

Hello brother! It is sad to see so many people denying the pre-trib rapture. I truly believe the rapture is going to happen much sooner than people are expecting! Your view on the "falling away" is quite interesting. I've always thought of the "falling away" as the church of Laodicea and my reasoning is: Christ spoke to the Laodiceans last in Rev. 3 and said that they are lukewarm. This makes me think of apostasy, and I can see apostasy everywhere in this world. Whether it be churches proclaiming to be lgbt or something more subtle like calvinism (works based salvation). People do not want to rely on Jesus finished work on the cross but would rather try to justify themselves. Timeline wise, I've always thought of the "falling away" as happening before the rapture. Once the church is gone, those who were trusting in works for salvation will finally repent and believe solely on Jesus' Blood to wash them clean and trust in His finished work. Similar to Elias tearing his shirt and placing his faith completely in God when Elijah was raptured. To sum up my stance... I see the day and age we live in now to be the falling away, to be the church of Laodicea. So few people have the complete truth, just as our Savior said it would be... Strait is the gate and narrow is the path that leads to life (Jesus being the gate, path, and life) and broad is the path and wide is the gate that leads to death. Deception is so very common, hence why there are so many "denominations". There is only one truth: Jesus Christ died on the cross, was buried, and rose to life three days later: bearing our sin and conquering death. He poured His Grace out onto the world and whosoever believes in Him shall not perish but having everlasting life! HalleluYAH! Anyone who preaches any other gospel is accursed and I pray that those who are led astray repent (change their minds) and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ! Sorry for the lengthy comment and I appreciate you reading through it! Like I said at the beginning, I find your view of the falling away to be interesting and could very well be correct. I pray that our Heavenly Father continues to bless you brother and your ministry! Amen!

[@oldmanjoe6808]

Mt.24:29-31 tells us plainly that the Day Christ returns is the Day of the Rapture, not before, and it is also Judgment Day, 2Tim.4:1 and 2Thes.2:1-12 concur. The sequence of events is told us beginning in Mt.24:3 as Jesus answers the question in that chapter put to Him. He concludes by saying we've been told in advance, vs.25. Because we are told in advance thereby we can spot false prophets who change times and events as in Dan.7:25. There simply is no Pre-Trib Rapture without changing times and events. Neither is there a thousand year reign of Christ in Person from Jerusalem because we've been told in advance clearly of the unfolding of End Time events. When Christ returns, it is the end of the Great Tribulation, the Rapture and Judgment Day all spelled out clearly in Mt.24.

[@markhauserbible7168]

Right on the money. Pre-tribers don't study, they listen to every wind of doctrine. 2Tm4:3-4@@oldmanjoe6808

[@LonLo-fi7wc]

there are 3 harpazo but those who do not study think there is only 1 , because 1 of the 3 is easy to see and the other 2 require depth of study , the Day of Christ is the wrath of GOD and moves into the millenium

[@markhauserbible7168]

What you really mean by in depth study is to repeat what you've been taught. You obviously have NEVER studied what Jesus taught, because if you had you would know there is ONE resurrection. I don't even have to show you the scriptures. I can simply ask you a couple questions, and your pre-trib rapture will sink like led to the bottom of the pit. For example. Jesus said he would return as a THIEF. Is this his return to the earth, or in the clouds?@@LonLo-fi7wc

[@LonLo-fi7wc]

@@markhauserbible7168 You think there is a 7 year tribulation because you repeat what you've been taught. You obviously have NEVER studied at the 3rd harpazo Jesus returns in the cloud as SCRIPTURE says . And when Jesus returns to rule during the Millennium the true Holy Spirit Believers come With Jesus to rule and reign with Jesus

[@Mike65809]

Paul says the rapture (our gathering together unto him) can't happen until the Lawless one is revealed. Then Paul says the rapture happens SO the Lawless one can be revealed. So therefore, the rapture happens before and after the Lawless one is revealed?? Does that make sense? Isn't Paul contradicting himself?

[@peregrino9154]

No. You're confused.

[@Mike65809]

@@peregrino9154 I'm pointing out the confusion created when the concept of a pretrib rapture is imposed on the text, that's all.

[@timoromeo7663]

It's departure,not falling away. Mis-translation of the word apostasia.

[@3BadBostons]

Only if you believe the church will escape the tribulation.

[@timoromeo7663]

@@3BadBostons yes, yes I do.

[@3BadBostons]

@@timoromeo7663 I sure don't see it. Just keep your mind open to the man of sin coming to power just in case she thought you'd be gone...

[@timoromeo7663]

@@3BadBostons who is she?

[@peregrino9154]

@@3BadBostonsDon't worry. I'm sure you'll get to go through the Tribulation.

[@jeffallrn9918]

We all need to remember to remind everybody. This is just a theory, because when we teach it as truth, we are adding to or taken away from the word of God and we know what happens then, because God cannot be a liar.

[@shawnarider916]

Kevin Rider - The Bible Explained: At 33:05 - I've thought it interesting 'Blog Post - Unforgivable?' on Grace to You site. Phil Johnson writes a short blog on an upset response that John MacArthur received when he reasoned that he believed you could be forgiven after taking 'the mark of the beast'. He affirms what the Bible says in Rev 14:9-11, but made the point the Bible also says, "Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God" 1 Cor 6:9-10. - Makes me think of the locusts in Rev 9 how when they tormented the people for 5 months so they will seek death but will not find it - could it be that this God's mercy still at work keeping them from going into eternal suffering? On them being giving over to a strong delusion I find it interesting that there are so many photos of musicians, actors, and political leaders making the hand sign with the 666, and many putting it over their eye - they seem to be communicating that they've had this experience of 'opening the third eye'. It seems it would be reasonable to speculate that the world before taking the mark might have to go through meditative techniques of emptying the mind to "activate their chakras" - raising the global vibration and consciousness - as this seems to be the goal of what the New Age religion wants to achieve on this planet - thereby opening themselves up to internal demonic influence and deception in the belief system that they are a god and apart of this universal god force energy - as we hear about happening in so many 'New Age to Jesus' testimonies on YT. So many religions other than Biblical Christianity already have mind emptying techniques incorporated into their worship practices that are giving them some sort of spiritual experience and "opening the 3rd eye". Maybe that's the significance of taking the mark of '666' is personal acknowledgment and identification that I recognize that 'I AM' apart of this universal god consciousness and as man (in the sense of a Gnostic belief system) and have come to recognize being created by the Demiurge on the 6th day of the Creation, that 'I AM' God and am in the process of being a part of the spiritual evolution of the planet. Also find it interesting how the earth is associated with the altar. Seems like God might be giving those on the earth 'a taste' of what it would be like to reject God's sacrifice. That if they ultimately reject Jesus as the sin offering - that they themselves would become that sin offering bearing the direct wrath of God. Revelation 8 "silence in heaven...then the angel took the censer and filled it with fire from the altar and threw it on the earth, and there were peals of thunder, rumblings, flashes of lightning, and an earthquake.

[@kuku747]

About the removing off the restrainer, can be described that God removing himself from restraining the man of sin as you suggsted, but the argument as the Church is the restrainer is also the same thing that God is taking the church away from restraining evil in the world. your Answer God is subjective.

[@trulyso734]

The Church holding power over the release of that endtime antichrist is speculation only This explanation sits better with me. Because Father God remains in full control over all affairs, HE alone sets the timing. And He can and does preordain different ones as He chooses to use (both good and bad kinds; in this case for restraining the disclosure/unveiling/revealing of the endtime Fake Christ). Not to forget it could well be a restraining through His servant army of angels too, holding back this antichrist's reveal event. There is precedence of that all over the bible. Also, the term 'he' restrainer holds reference to what's of less import in the wider overall context of that bible chapter, and we can know a church is never referred to as a 'he'. A church is always referred as 'she'. Objectively therefore I dont see this as a particular instruction for the church to strive/stress too much in restraining. In any case, the He to watch out against is the man of sin/lawlessness. Not to trust that one, but God (restrainer subject) we can trust and stay loyal to.. whatever comes at us down the track. Lastly on a final note, Id say we are in agreement though on maranatha.. looking up and forward together to His soon return,

[@samuelknipp6978]

I feel the day of Christ is the 7th day..That 1000 yrs won't happen until after the rapture and end of tribulation..1000 years of peace , until satan is loosed from his chains

[@LyleCooper]

What is Paul's meaning of "the Day of Christ." Now we have a problem: some Greek texts have "the Day of Christ," While other Greek texts have "The Day of the Lord." Which one did Paul write? Do we know if in Paul's mind "the day of Christ" was just another way of writing, "the Day of the Lord." After all, we have many verses showing us that Christ is Lord. Many people believe the Day of the Lord is the day He returns for the rapture. Others believe it is the 24 hour day He will return to Armageddon. However, it could be just another way of writing of the Day of the Lord. How to solve this? Which of these two terms did Paul use in his rapture passage in his first letter? There Paul used the Day of the Lord. Since 2 thes. 2 is another rapture passage by the same author, I suggest that we use the term Paul used in His first letter. These believers were under persecution from both Rome and the Jews. It seems, when someone told them that the Day of the Lord had come, and they were then in it, they must have believed it. Further, it seems that they wrote to Paul for clarification. According to Isaiah 13, the Day of the Lord would begin "with wrath and fierce anger." Since in his first letter Paul had shown them that the rapture would come before the Day, we can understand why they were upset: they had begun to believe they had been left behind, or that Paul was mistaken. Why would they have been upset if they had been told they were in the Day of Christ or the day of the rapture? Perhaps then, the rapture was only minutes away. How does living under persecution help them believe the Day of Christ or the day of the rapture had come? That makes no sense. But if Paul wrote and/or meant "the Day of the Lord," then it makes sense. Persecution and wrath may be perceived as the same thing.

[@udmann1]

I think you're spot on, but what you're describing is a pre-wrath (mid-tribulation) rapture, not a seven-year pre-tribulation rapture, which has been mathematically eliminated based on Scripture.

[@BrotherInChrist]

Our gathering to the Lord (resurrection/rapture) cannot and will not take place until the apostasy and abomination of desolation occur. Maranatha!

[@realtalk7547]

Unnecessarily complicated. When will the Church be delivered? 2 Thessalonians 1:7“ to you who are troubled, and to us as well. This will happen when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven in blazing fire with his powerful angels.” The pre-tribulation rapture theory is supposed to be a quiet snatching away followed by the tribulation and then the destruction of the wicked at the end, but when does the rest come for us? At the same time as the blazing fire and destruction accompanied by the Angels. We are mustered with the returning saints as a great army of the righteous as he descended in the twinkle of an eye. One cataclysmic event. Much more can be said, but not in this small post. I recommend “ The tribulation and the Church “ by Walter Martin or “The Blessed Hope” by George Eldon Ladd. If you have to get too complicated one risks making up an extra Biblical story.

[@tnyeh]

I believe everything you said was definitely correct.

[@halfulford3081]

If you study in the Bible and learn God's word you won't be deceived by these false prophets, teachers, preist. Jesus Christ is only coming back one more time and i pray that you have not been deceived.

[@Notoftheworld327]

It's funny how Paul said "let no man deceive you", yet this very passage gets transmogrified to fit a pre-conceived assumption. The coming of the Lord, and our gathering together unto him will not happen lest there be a falling away first, the man of sin is revealed and the abomination of desolation is committed. Unpopular, yet true.

[@doughammond8932]

I believe the Day of Christ/the Day of the Lord is the Millennium. Paul is here teaching Premillennialism. I have found this interpretation very consistent with other Biblical references to that Day. "...one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day" (2 Peter 3:8b).

[@MarkHoward211]

The day of the Lord is ONE DAY (Zech. 14:1-7). 2 Peter 3:8 says "AS A", not IS A. It's an analogy attributed to a timeless God. Psalm 90:4 says "For a thousand years in THY (God's ) sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night". One day (24 hours) and 3 or 4 hours (a watch in the night) are different periods of time, making this passage an analogy also. So, what do people teach? 1000 years means one day. One day means 1000 years. 1000 years means 3 or 4 hours. One prophetic day equals a year on earth. ALL of these teachings a false. God does not live on earth, and is not bound by earth time. Time passages mentioned in scripture can only literally mean earth time, which humans are subject to, and who the prophecies are written to. The day of the Lord can only be one 24 hour day. The phrase says "day" and Zechariah called it ONE day. It ushers in the millennial period of 1000 years ON EARTH, which is never called the day of the Lord.

[@doughammond8932]

Well please try to have an open mind on this because I am finding that the discovery that the day of the Lord is the Millennium opens a treasure trove throughout the scriptures. Okay, so you cited "one day" in Zech 14:7a but in 2 Peter 3:8 the apostle also writes about "one day" being as a thousand years. Now, he says one day is _with the Lord_ as a thousand years. But Zech 14:7a furthermore says, "But it shall be one day *which shall be known to the LORD,"* so both verses are from the Lord's perspective, the perspective that sees a thousand years as one day, as yesterday when it is past. And why did you stop at verse 7, when verse 8 says, "And it shall be *in that day,* that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: *in summer and in winter shall it be."* I don't really like the phrase "earth time" because it isn't a Biblical phrase and therefore I feel it is a gateway for error to creep in. But having said that, because you explain your point of view using that phrase, I will say that what Peter is telling us is that a thousand years of earth time is like one day in the sight of God. And he says this in the immediate context of speaking of the day of the Lord (see esp. vv. 7, 10), albeit particularly in terms of how long the Church must wait for that day to come. So since a thousand years of earth time is like one day to God, why should God not call this thousand years of His earthly rule the day of Christ? And remember that God had said to Adam concerning the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, "...you shall not eat of it, for in the day that you eat thereof, you shall surely die" (Gen 2:17). And after Adam ate, no man has ever lived a full thousand years. 969 is the longest. THEY DIE IN THE SAME DAY THEY FIRST SIN. Therefore Jesus Christ still has a thousand years of earth time coming to Him! He shall have His full day! And here's a practical point: if you really consider everything that is going to happen on the day of the Lord, it doesn't really fit into a day, which is a twelve hour period. And remember, the LORD alone will be exalted in that day (Isaiah 2:11, 17). Don't you think after thousands of years of man's vainglory, it is right that LORD alone should be exalted on earth for more than twelve hours? But the LORD alone shall be exalted for the whole Millennium, while Jesus reigns on earth! This also proves that the day of the Lord is the Millennium. I agree that the day of the Lord is the day of God's wrath and millennial period follows but what I am saying is that the day includes all of this and it BEGINS with wrath and the first resurrection, followed by Christ's rule on earth and subjugation of all enemies, and it concludes with events such as the destruction of death, the Great White Throne judgment, and the Son's delivering up of the kingdom to the Father. "The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light." Rom 13:12 ^^This night is not twelve hours, neither is the day that is at hand.

[@DavidJongibo]

According to 1 Thessalonians 5, the day of the Lord is the day of the rapture. Notice the conjunction word but at 1 Thessalonians 5:1

[@doughammond8932]

Perhaps we agree. The day of the Lord BEGINS with the rapture. "For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord SO COMETH as a thief in the night." 1 Thess 5:2

[@jameskelly5872]

I think you are exactly right about everything you spoke of in this video.

[@Talalansardeen33]

Grace and thanks👍💐👏 3.5

[@LyleCooper]

"The whole passage is about the abomination of desolation..." Is this what Paul wrote for his theme of this passage? No, Paul wrote that his theme would be the coming of the Lord for the gathering of the saints. Yet, many people come up with their theory of Paul's meaning and never quite get to the gathering of the saints. I believe Paul wrote this letter so that if it fell into Roman hands, they would not understand it, but those who had studied his first letter would understand. Paul started verse six with, "and now you know who is restraining...." as if he had just told the readers, but perhaps in a way not at first obvious. Perhaps Paul gave this statement as a test to see if the reader had understood his meaning in the previous verses. Does the reader now know, after reading the first 5 verses, who the restrainer is that will be "taken out of the way?" If not, perhaps they need to read it again and again.

[@Markis2002]

I am very surprised that people don't understand that the return of Christ is the same as the "final" millennium (1,000 years) the day of the Lord, the final Sabbath and 7th day it's all the same day to God it's 1 day to us on Earth it's a 1000 years. The millennium the day of the Lord the final sabbath it's all the same and it will begin in darkness just like everyday starts in darkness,right the day starts at dusk not at dawn. I think we can all agree that the world is 6000 years old, the 6th day has ended, we know this by the season we are in... the Lord is tarrying, as he said he might

[@MaxvanBrian]

I believe this!

[@teresacunningham8301]

I believe this was a good solid teaching…I like the deviation from what everyone else is usually saying. I would disagree with what you said about people taking the mark as never ever being able to repent and believe the gospel. I base this on 1Cor 15:22-28; Eph 1:20; & Col 1:10 just to name a few. Christ was victorious on the cross and will redeem all of His creation.

[@CJS326]

Revelation 14 makes is perfectly clear if you take the mark you will be tormented forever and ever

[@AMBoss8561]

I am going to have to agree with you on this point. If the "mark of the Beast" begins in the middle of the week, that would mean that anyone who takes or had taken the mark would not have an opportunity to repent--and since this does not seem to be consistent with blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, I believe that one could still repent. Three and a half years of no salvation seems unlikely.

[@CJS326]

@@AMBoss8561 revelation 19 makes it very clear if you take the mark you are going to hell.

[@AMBoss8561]

Those who saw the works of Christ, His miracles and such, and concluded that they were works of the Devil were guilty of blasphemy of the Holy Spirt--the unpardonable sin. Jesus also said in Matthew 12: “Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men. 32Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come." If taking the mark is an automatic disqualifier to salvation, no one would get saved in the last 3 1/2 years of the Tribulation (Daniel's 70th Week). @@CJS326

[@gsgidney]

2 Peter 3:8, KJV “But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.” The "Day of the Lord" the Millennium. Christ rules and reigns for 1000 years. Genesis 2:17, KJV “But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.” Adam dies before he was 1000 years old, so he died "in that day" So, 1000 years is a day, so the "Day of the Lord" is most definitely the Millennium

[@RUGRAF-rf8fi]

I believe if we had proper Aramaic translations instead of Greek translations of Aramaic wording would be more clear for everyone. All we have are Greek translations and some Hebrew words translate differently in context of a sentence or paragraph. Just saying…

[@LonLo-fi7wc]

NT was was written in the Koine Greek , it not a translation it is the authentic original

[@katrinahaney2694]

They found original Aramaic in the caves and used them to create an English version. I have a new testament based on Aramaic text.

[@LonLo-fi7wc]

Long time ago historians had shown that Aramaic was spoken and not written during the time of Jesus as the Koine Greek was the prominent language it means the common language and later Aramaic writings were made, this is why Concordances use the Koine Greek lanugage as preferred over Aramaic , The problem today is that people that have a preference for ' their ' doctrine use whatever fits their preference instead of seeking accuracy . such example is the word " crown ' and "sword " people today try to force their notion the MOB is a inject***%_$needle

[@stevebowman9745]

​@@katrinahaney2694Please provide a publisher for that Aramaic -English translation. Thank you.

[@rstem490]

(22:05) How can the antichrist make war with the saints if they have been “raptured” ? There are those who say that the Holy Spirit will be gone too in the rapture; therefore no one can convert to become a saint? So where do these new saints come from? 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@bethelshiloh]

Talk about “forcing our predetermined impressions” upon Scripture… that same could be said about your pre-trib belief.

[@ji-wonseong1623]

Good video, but I find keeping track of the verses a bit difficult. Would it be possible to write the verses on the video while referring to them?

[@LyleCooper]

"Kai...the falling away IS the man of sin being revealed..." According to verses 3, where after the apostasia, the man of sin IS revealed, and according to verses 6, 7 and 8, he cannot be revealed until the restrainer has departed and been "taken out of the way," then apostasia is not the man of sin being revealed, but is the restrainer departing SO THAT the man of sin can be revealed. In thousands of uses, "kai" is used as a simple conjunction, such as here: Mat 1:2 - Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas *and* G2532 his brethren;

[@AmandathePandaBooks]

In the original Aramaic, falling away or apostasy means anti messiah, rebellion, falling away from the faith, etc. don't YOU be deceived!! We aren't going anywhere until that man of sin is revealed in the temple of God, and stops the regular sacrifices!

[@m.ecoppard3063]

You spot-on

[@ivangodin1850]

First, the verse doesn't start with "The Day of Christ " but the Day of the Lord, which is completely different

[@dudleygordon6191]

2 Thessalonians 2:2 KJV That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

[@dewaynethomas7729]

Early church fathers of the 1st and 2nd century taught pre-tribe catching away long before Darby.

[@jswhosoever4533]

Wheres your proof of that???

[@ChrisG-cy2om]

@@jswhosoever4533 This is a great question, because I've read just about everything written by the early church writers of the first 2-3 centuries, and I can say with a high degree of confidence that they were not expecting a pre-tribulation rapture. That was a doctrine that arose to prominence much later, and new doctrine is not true doctrine.

[@jswhosoever4533]

@@ChrisG-cy2om amen. I'm sick of people parroting this lie. Nobody has ever shown me proof in the 15 years I've been asking.

[@CJS326]

​@@ChrisG-cy2omLuke 12:2-3 New Living Translation (NLT) The time is coming when everything that is covered up will be revealed, and all that is secret will be made known to all. Perhaps the pre tribulation wasn't revealed to the early church because it wasn't going to happen for another 2000 plus years. God reveals his word when he's ready not when we are ready.

[@ChrisG-cy2om]

@@CJS326 That is an interesting theory. However, I'm going to stick with the pattern that God has provided throughout the Scriptures. He has always tested, punished and disciplined His people. He has always tried their faith. He didn't keep Noah and his family from the flood, He preserved them through it. He didn't remove the Israelites from the plagues upon the Egyptians, He preserved them through it. He allowed Israel over and over again to be punished by the nations, taken into captivity, and preserving a remnant. What is coming soon will be no different. God's people will be tested. Those that truly belong to Him will be protected from the plagues that come upon the wicked, but they may have to endure persecution and even death from the wicked. The sooner Christians embrace this reality, the better off they will be when it comes. Peace

[@alsalang9772]

The falling away is apostasy : falling away from faith. This is therefore strong evidence for post tribulation rapture

[@MarkHoward211]

Apostasy of the JEWS, not the church, which is removed BEFORE this predicted apostasy (1 Thess. 4:13-17; 2 Thess. 2:1-8; Rev. 4:1-4). A pre, mid and post tribulation rapture (resurrection) are all predicted in scripture. Mid trib, the 144,000 Jewish male virgins/man child (Rev. 12:5; 14:1-5). Post trib, God's two witnesses (Rev. 11:7-13) and the tribulation saints (Rev. 20:4-6). Israel rejected their Messiah and had him crucified. They will accept the Antichrist as their Messiah and worship him (Jn. 5:43; Rev. 13:4). Something the church/body of Christ would never do.

[@alsalang9772]

@@MarkHoward211 that is not only the Jewish people because Paul was talking to the Thessalonians who were gentiles. So he was referring to the Church or the Body of Christ including the Jewish and Gentile believers.

[@MarkHoward211]

@@alsalang9772 Yes, the Thessalonian church were Gentiles, but they were worried that the "day of Christ" (second advent) was at hand. Paul explains to them (for the third time) the proper sequence of events. 1. Removal of the restrainer (the church), verses 1, 6-8. 2. Apostasy of Israel, verse 3. 3. Man of sin (Antichrist) revealed, verses 3, 7. Paul, like Jesus in Matthew 24, is describing Daniel's 70th week, which was DETERMINED (Dan. 9:24) upon Daniel's people (Jews) and the holy city (Jerusalem), and ENDS with the day of the Lord. God's biggest problem with Israel was IDOLATRY, and the Jews will worship Satan AND this counterfeit Messiah (Jn. 5:43; Rev. 13:4). The church/body of Christ is not on the earth during Daniel's 70th week, they are in heaven (Revelation chapters 4-5), so the falling away here cannot possibly be referring to the church.

[@alsalang9772]

@@MarkHoward211 number 1 and 2 are only your assumptions my brother, there is no supporting verse in your number 1 point that its the Church that is removed.

[@alsalang9772]

@@MarkHoward211 number 2 it doesn't say it is only talking about Israel. There are no supporting verses for that. It would be more satisfactory to say that it is the whole spiritual church (body of Christ) of Jews and gentile

[@tonuiben4136]

The restrainer is the angelic principality tasked with that. The angel (Gabriel)tasked with restraining leaders of these world empires explain this to Daniel in chapter 10. He even asserts that no other person stand with him in so doing except Michael.

[@gatorflea2788]

MOS !

[@fruitful7753]

Revelation 11:18 clearly says this is when the dead are raised and the saints rewarded. And the kingdoms of the world become the kingdoms of God.

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I believe the falling away happens to the church-at-large around the hour of testing (Tribulation), which comes upon the whole world. In Revelation, God makes a distinction between the earthly church-at-large and the saints. The earthly church of professing believers fall away, but the saints will overcome. During the Tribulation, the saints comprise those who will overcome by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and who loved their lives not even unto death.