iilluminaughtii's lazy vegan takedown

My thoughts on "Why Veganism Won't Save the Planet" by iilluminaughtii.
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0:00 Intro
1:10 Monocropping
11:42 Textiles
15:46 Vegans are mean
17:06 Pigs are more sustainable than soy wtf
21:27 Conclusion
22:58 Outro
23:42 I have a tiktok
25:42 Colds suck
#iilluminaughtii #vegan #antivegan

[@TasteOfButterflies]

The "cows are good for the land" argument is pretty horrendous coming from an American. "We drove the native herbivores - and the native ethnic groups who relied on them - to near-extinction, used their land to farm an invasive species, but it's totally necessary for us to keep doing it because tHe LaNd nEeds hErBivOres".

[@robsengahay5614]

The same issue in the Uk too. Vast swathes of the UK particularly in Scotland, Wales and the south west of England are poor scrubland only suitable for sheep farming they say….totally ignoring the fact that our ancestors cut down all the forests there hundreds of years ago to build houses and ships and didn’t plant replacements.

[@vegan4theanimals]

Absolutely and 100% this

[@alexk3310]

Nevermind that feeding billions of animals food that isn't natural to them forces them to wreck the atmosphere we all need. Their hooves, poo, and grazing habits destroy the land underneath them (see: rainforest deforestation and soil decimation) and their farts destroy everything else, lol. I researched this for a college paper; commenters, if you must eat animal products, eat anything but cows! Out of the entire agricultural industry, cow farms are the most destructive by a landslide. (Sheep are slightly worse, so don't turn to exclusively lamb instead, but thankfully we don't farm them to the scale we do cows [yet].)

[@tilasole3252]

Being Native American myself, I am not getting what you are saying. One does not correlate to the other. Just as there were wars on open or closed ranges. Sheep farmers vs cattle ranchers, as well. The buffalo was killed to make it harder for the Natives to thrive. They also are not as easily "farmed" as the cattle the Europeans brought with them. So they had to go. It's all about who has power at the time and who is coming up in the ranks.

[@mordecaiissad8529]

​@@alexk3310so are you proposing we exterminate cows? It's not like they have natural predators, and they apparently destroy everything they touch, if we would stop using them for consumption in controlled areas and just set them out into the wild freely, wouldn't that be a disaster for the land and eco systems? Domestic animals are now invasive species everywhere as their name implies, they are bred specifically for human needs.

[@nicolecaban2226]

I wish she would just say what she means “I wanna keep eating meat and I don’t want to feel bad about it”

[@siennad587]

Blaire should worry about herself and stop spreading misinformation! Plenty of commentary on Blaire and her bad actions all over KZbin

[@tilasole3252]

Doesn't matter. If it helps the eating meat audience, she will be treated like a goddess of reliable sources and thumbed up.

[@AmyKozerski]

Seeing how poorly illiminaughti researches her videos makes me appreciate when people like you put in the work and go to peer reviewed primary sources from respected journals. Thanks for making credible content!

[@angelikalaser7778]

She does not do any research, she has a content farm doing that for her 😂 having a horrible business culture, exploiting emoloyees and not paying taxes, while reporting on scams, thats so hypocritical! All my opinion.

[@kamikazeclemency5473]

Given how she’s been exposed for financial abuse, her concerns for peoples financial state are ironic.

[@michaelazangeres]

Couldn't agree more

[@sofia.eris.bauhaus]

financial abuse? what did she do? (i'm not defending her, i know she's a plagiarist and copyright troll, i'm just out of the loop and "financial abuse" sounds a bit nebulous…)

[@michaelazangeres]

@sofia.eris.bauhaus her ex-boyfriend, made a video about it with receipts. She was his employer (never a good idea to begin with) and would force him into getting loans for her ruining his fanicanial status. Later, she blamed him for his financial status and would tell everyone he wasn't good with money. She told him it would be the best thing for him not to get paid anymore and let her handle all the financials. He was so broken down that he started to believe her, and he loved her, so he wanted to make her happy.

[@sofia.eris.bauhaus]

@@michaelazangeres okay, that's pretty bad. and "financial abuse" seems a fitting description actually. thanks for elaborating!

[@gavinziozios1431]

​@@sofia.eris.bauhausShe's done a lot of other things too, but that's the thing that's sticking the most because she's actually getting fought back. She just refuses to go down

[@julianlaresch6266]

Blair really said "no ethical consumption undercapitalism" and took it to mean "fuck it we ball" not "just do your best"

[@tamcon72]

This made me snort laugh.

[@fellinuxvi3541]

True, but that's what the statement means. It's the logical consequence of it. If we want people to do their best, we have to drop the phrase, we can't have both.

[@Blue-wv3le]

Illuminaghtii’s channel is a content farm. She plagiarizes and puts out half researched videos.

[@kikiTHEalien]

This. I've been recoomended her videos and clicked on one once- I 100% thought is was the usual anonymous content farm, I only learned that there is an actual human claiming to research and create the videos herself when the plagiarism scandal happened. And the only reason I know about the scandal is because she accused Legal Eagle, which is a channel I follow, so I got recommendations on videos about it.

[@larissabrglum3856]

I watched her videos pretty frequently early on, but over time she evolved into what was obviously a content farm with half-baked, rushed videos. Now we know she's a terrible person on top of that!

[@emmanarotzky6565]

If some land can’t be used to feed humans, then you leave it alone because it’s for WILD ANIMALS. Not cows lol

[@Zectifin]

and you can just use the land that you feed cows with to feed people. people act like theres a bunch of people grazing livestock on hillsides that wont work for farming, and yeah some people do that in places like new zealand and not really for large scale use. Nobody is doing that in America. they're taking great growing land and growing corn for livestock feed instead. Its a hypothetical that just isn't happening.

[@laranadesign4764]

@6:00 love how she thinks the Vegan population is somehow "out eating" massive animals like cows and the rest of the human population. 😂

[@michaelazangeres]

It surprises me that she still makes videos after being exposed for being a terrible human

[@claireconover]

I haven’t watched her channel in forever… what happened?

[@mariomario1462]

You knew her personally?

[@michaelazangeres]

@claireconover She financially abused her ex partner and some more things. There are plenty of videos with receipts it's hard to explain it in a comment

[@mariomario1462]

@@michaelazangeres you know her?

[@michaelazangeres]

@mariomario1462 does it matter? Some people are just objectively horrible There is no excuse for her actions

[@skylahenry8552]

With fast fashion, what people wear is probably more important that it used to be. But I doubt people who'd care enough to be vegan would also be buying new clothes regularly. In fact there's a lot of crossover with veganism and sustainable practices like up cycling and thrifting.

[@nom3nnescio]

Yeah, like, vegans are so much better people than those nasty meat eaters, like, yeah

[@TasteOfButterflies]

16:40 "but she doesn't believe in veganism, so why is she offering advice?" Hmmm, real mystery why a lady who doesn't believe in veganism thinks vegans should be nicer and also quieter about it 🤔🤔🤔 do people still use the term "concern trolling"?

[@tilasole3252]

Blaire is correct though and even Swayze has said the same thing in her videos. Being rough will simply turn people off of your message and they may even do the exact opposite to spite you, so they would eat even more meat and dairy and maybe even kick a dog or cat. Can vegans not promote a good message and not bible thump at the same time? Can vegans not counter an argument without yelling?

[@TasteOfButterflies]

@@tilasole3252 The answer is no, because vegans will be accused of being preachy and aggressive even when being polite. To most people, simply initiating a conversation about animal suffering and veganism is extremely rude. I generally don't buy the claim that the same approach is right for every speaker and every listener.

[@tilasole3252]

@@TasteOfButterflies you will catch more flies with honey, then you will with vinegar, even if it is not vegan to do so 🍯

[@TasteOfButterflies]

@@tilasole3252 I literally just explained that any mention of veganism is vinegar to most people.

[@tilasole3252]

@@TasteOfButterflies and I just said you catch more flies with honey, then vinegar. You CHOOSE to speak that way. There is nothing wrong with the subject of veganism. I am not vegan and love to talk about it. I have spoken to others who also are not vegan, no problems talking about the pros and cons of veganism. So it's your approach, which is a shame.

[@julioandresgomez3201]

Going from an omnivore diet to a herbivore diet can only reduce your environmental footprint.

[@GarudaLegends]

That is false. Lol. You dont even eat livestock feed of food herbivores eat.

[@dizzylilthing]

this only really stands up if you do not rely on natural resources. People who eat local game, local produce, and naturally occurring forageables will typically have a lower carbon footprint than someone with a more specialty diet not supported by their climate. The carbon footprint of being exclusively vegan somewhere like Alaska or in boreal Canadian communities where indigenous practices are more closely followed.

[@Cancellator5000]

@@dizzylilthing This is actually false. Transportation-related emissions are less than 10% of the total impact of food products. Local is better, but even vegans who rely heavily on imported goods are doing better for the environment than omnivores. The only reason why indigenous cultures are sustainable is because they are small. Foraging and hunting would be a disaster for biodiversity if the general population adopted those practices.

[@fellinuxvi3541]

​@@dizzylilthingNot individually. They have a more sustainable collective footprint because they are small in number and the animals they hunt they didn't breed (so it's unfair to add up those animal's emissions as the consumer's fault), but for most people, dropping meat is always going to reduce your footprint.

[@Klaudiuszeg]

@@dizzylilthing grass feed beef has highest CO2 emissions from all the foods per 1 kg of produce. Its like 10 times higher than pork and chicken even.

[@MrsMeowMeowWoof]

She doesn't do enough research to have such strong opinions. I remember she did a video on Goodwill and I was flabbergasted at how wrong it was. She didn't even mention that different regions are literally separate companies. Like Goodwill Arizona has a different CEO and board and everything than Goodwill Manasota (florida) or OGL (Canada). Which is very easily discoverable lol

[@ColleenF30]

She is a content farm. Basically she is just a voice. I pity her employees.

[@linaria__]

No matter who writes for her she is still the person who stands behind what's said

[@ColleenF30]

@@linaria__ Granted she should, but she is reading from a script. I would be shocked if she checks anything. One of her ex employees mentioned it took about a month for her to realize they changed some of her music because she just doesn't do anything.

[@DRAMATICA1100]

I used to watch a lot of Blair's videos because of her anti-MLM stuff, but then I found out about her as a human. I don't know how she can even be taken seriously as an authority on any topic.

[@stinepetersen861]

Same. Watched some of her MLM videos years ago, but then she started on nutrition. It was very clear she had no idea what she was talking and she was not receptive to any form of criticism or feedback

[@larissabrglum3856]

Yeah, once I found out that her videos contain a lot of factual errors, it called everything into question

[@tamcon72]

@@stinepetersen861 Does she by any chance know the What I Learned dude? Because she is weirdly mirroring his transformation into concern-trolling about things she doesn't know about.

[@AlexFrancesP]

how that pig vs soybean paragraph did not contain a single reference at all just suggests the general quality of that paper and journal. So many unsupported statements, actually shocking.

[@Chrispyoy]

Holy cow that illuminaughti video has been popping up in my feed constantly and i have been avoiding watching it bc i just knew itll be a bunch of bs. Thank you for going through this for us 😅

[@kikiTHEalien]

You could block the channel and elliminate the issue completely

[@larissabrglum3856]

Wait! I'm just reading the part about cotton and I'm remembering an older video of Blair's where she said organic cotton is the most eco-friendly material for towels. There are so many inconsistencies in the things she says, no real central belief system, because she doesn't believe in anything and she doesn't have any thoughts of her own, she just cobbles together other people's thoughts that she finds.

[@joshuahaskellcarr]

I, for one, am shocked that the renowned plagiarist Blair Zon was uninformed on this topic.

[@HildesYT]

It’s so strange how she keeps pumping out videos as if nothing happened and it’ll blow over. The speed of pumping out content is also not conducive to making well researched and thought out videos.

[@MultiCappie]

I replaced meat and dairy with oats and lentils, what's this about expense exactly??

[@bunniesu_u]

if you do end up reading Not the End of the World I would love to know your thoughts on it! also lol that happened to me with tik tok too, the algorithm took a while to adjust. but now my feed is almost all baby animal videos sooo worth it I guess 😅

[@Maryaminx]

I would also like to see more about this book.

[@KsandrPann]

I second this suggestion!

[@veganjotaro]

Honestly, I'm disappointed that illuminasty hasn't been canceled yet.

[@PixieoftheWood]

She has been, she just keeps making videos even though her views and subscribers massively dropped off.

[@veganjotaro]

@@PixieoftheWood pathetic.

[@balargus319]

We tried

[@jessdavis2677]

Oh, boy. If you want a wild ride, you should see all the exposes that came out on her in recent months, especially since what started her downfall was her accusing a copyright lawyer of ripping off her editing effects. She's just that desperate to pretend nothing's wrong in between her lawsuit against her abused ex and coworkers.

[@veganjotaro]

@jessdavis2677 🤦‍♂️ what's the matter with these people 🙄

[@oliviagreen8853]

I unsubscribed to her a long time ago after… finding out how she treats others. Not surprising she treats animals the same way. I’m surprised anyone still watches her tbh

[@DetroitMetroSpotter_21L]

The Unnatural Vegan Almost Never Shows Up On My Fyp But When It Does It’s A Good Day.

[@ammalyrical5646]

Of course, she didn't read all of it. She has/had a team doing the research for her. She doesn't do content farming by herself. Now the question is if the team wrote it like this on purpose on their own accord or if Blair thought it was a great idea to represent it like this

[@cherrycookie7365]

I like meat, I don't really want to go entirely off meat, but jeez, your videos really put me off eating it :P and like, that's a good thing. So thanks!

[@mountainaccident2001]

why not? is taste worth the sacrifice of an innocent life?

[@BrendonTRex]

The best way to start is to select a few days a week that are 'meat-free' and go from there.

[@somerandomguy___]

One critisism i have is that you can still have regenerative agroculture/agroforestry without animal agroculture. It is true that in many aspects that agroforestry/regenerative agroculture is way better than the factory farming + monocrop cultures, but you can totally have a plant-based food system that is combined with a way of agroculture that uses crops in a way that go *with* nature rather than *against* nature What i dont like is the assumption that she or anyone else for that matter, is that if anyone criticises this technocratic way of monocrop industrial farming in way to wrongly critise veganism doesnt invalidate what critisisms there are of the current way of producing crops. I strongly think that regneretive agroculture and a plant-based diet can totally work together in mutual benefit and harmony, we just have to actually start doing it.

[@princessviolet4522]

This

[@somerandomguy___]

@@princessviolet4522 wdym?

[@princessviolet4522]

@@somerandomguy___ I think you're right

[@somerandomguy___]

@@princessviolet4522 thank you :)

[@tylerwhitney3443]

Yup

[@RichardSmith-ot3zk]

Curious if you saw Knowing Better's "The Cure for Literally Everything | Vegetarianism". He mentions you towards the end as an inspiration. He's not vegan, nor am I, but we're at least engaging with the issue.

[@garethbaus5471]

I don't think I noticed that mention, but cool.

[@RichardSmith-ot3zk]

@@garethbaus5471 It's towards the end. He's looking mostly at the history of vegetarianism and much of the influence of the Seventh Day Adventists and Graham and Kellogg, but reassess his meat consumption. Start around 1:12:00

[@DiscoTimelordASD]

Hbomberguy's TWO videos about Iilluminaughtii proved her writers are plagerists for her content farm channel/company. A LOT of her videos have been pointed out as misinformation through poor research, outright plagerism and substituting her personal opinion as fact. She made videos about puppy farms and then got her dog Casper from one so she's a hypocrite as well. Not to mention her character being called into question from 4 years past and onwards by multiple unconnected individuals. Blair owns the company and is a voice reader, so she represents the brand name "Iilluminaughtii" - not a good look.

[@gabby5659]

Blaire should really just stick with covering MLMs... yikes

[@manga4774]

blaire should honestly just retire youtube and focus on therapy and a 9-5 instead

[@thatwasweird954]

​@@manga4774Seriously. I was shocked to see her name here and to realize people still watch her videos.

[@rnpee]

@@thatwasweird954Especially after what came out about her being insanely gross

[@deceiver444]

​@@rnpeeand a straight up abusive person

[@oblivionslight1346]

And of course the comments on the original video are turned off. Wonder why…

[@TheSparkleina]

im so over the completely anti fertiliser and pesticide narrative, it has its place! just see what happened in sri lanka when they tried to go only for 'organic' farming

[@theverybestyoutubeaccount]

It's nice that someone isn't making another video about her drama and is instead just crıtıquıng her awful content

[@FrancisR420]

Did you see the critique of her DID video?

[@larissabrglum3856]

​@@FrancisR420I didn't! That could be interesting.

[@larissabrglum3856]

I did see a video about her since-deleted BIID/"transableism" video. I never saw the original before Blair took it down, and man, it is all kinds of irresponsible.

[@caitlincharbonneau4871]

Blaire and her opinions are literally useless. Honestly hilarious she even keeps making videos

[@Samorutt1324]

I learnd from that vedio you flashed on the screan a couple of times that iilluminaughtii rushed out her videos and i have tride to fin anyone to wtach one of her vidios and say why it's trash so thank you so much for doing it!!!!!!

[@lilymelodie7128]

Wich of the the links talk about the carbon footprint of transported product like avocado?

[@Kx____]

if you have time i would love for you to read the book that you are talking about in the beginning and give us a review?

[@katfoster845]

Leather for me is much harder to find alternatives for than meat, particularly with shoes. I have small, oddly shaped feet and I need shoes that are comfortable long term. I also need shoes that can cope with the cold and rain. Plastic isn't a good option because it doesn't mold to your feet. It also degrades quickly. Plant leathers are rarely water proof, and in addition they're not available in actual products I can physically buy in my country. Canvas is great in Summer, but useless in Winter. I'm British. That means it's useful for about a week each year if I'm lucky. Goretex is a forever chemical and not great for the environment. Out of the options of buying uncomfortable plastic shoes that break quickly or buying leather shoes that last, I think buying leather is probably better overall.

[@stinepetersen861]

Same. Though my feet are giant and I get hip and knee pain if I wear bad shoes. So for me it's better to use my leather boots for the next 7-10 years instead of having to buy plastic boots every second year

[@anne-marie2159]

Have you tried the vegan Dr Martens?

[@katfoster845]

@@anne-marie2159 yes. They were very expensive, didn't last that long and weren't very comfortable.

[@anne-marie2159]

@@katfoster845 oh, I've had 3 pairs and found them really good. They last a long time, the soles wear out before the vegan leather top part and they can be replaced, so long as you get them done before they split. I've found mine very comfy (softer and easier to break in than regular leather) and mostly waterproof.

[@anne-marie2159]

I mean the soles can be replaced, prolonging the life of the boot. I've had three pairs in the last 13 years and they are my main shoe, apart from in summer when I might wear trainers more.

[@hgrabows]

I was wondering if any of the channels highlighted in hbomberguy's viral plagarism video would skulk off for good because their viewers and paid subscribers would evaporate. I guess illiminaughti didn't meet that fate, unfortunately :(

[@therabbithat]

Who did she steal the lazy arguments off though?

[@oxford_avenue_band3545]

Just wanted to say: thank you! I’ve been doing some peer review myself, in particular when it comes to the way of ‘Ethical Consumerism,’ or looking for ways to create a cyclical or recyclable economy instead of the one-time use things that we are trapped in. In particular, what frustrated me most about the video is that it’s an intensely negative view on investing in hemp, organic cotton, etc. She seems to not understand that more investment = lower costs, or natural market values. Alongside that, there’s just a lot of straight up misinformation peddling within the video.

[@rebeccawatson9284]

Wow. I can grow almost all my food in the yard. No animals, just plants. It's quite doable if you have a yard. If you want to. I love Hank and John. ❤ ✌️

[@goldshield10]

This! And the veg scraps from my garden go into my compost so the cycle can continue.

[@therabbithat]

"if in order to move up you have to drag others down, you're doing it wrong" omg that's B's whole thing, she runs a drama channel mostly publically shaming people

[@VictoryAbsolut]

I’m vegan for health reasons. I’m allergic to casein from bovines specifically and dairy milk is in EVERYTHING. It’s easier to avoid dairy being vegan and I just feel better. I love animals and the planet, so it makes me happy knowing I’m not contributing to something dying or suffering. Thank you for this! Blair is insane for trying to blame climate change on veganism. Not only is she terrible for what she’s done to other people, but she’s so poorly researched. I wonder if her staff is quitting, I wouldn’t blame them at all if they did. Thank you SO MUCH for your well researched, informative, and well done video! 🙌

[@KarlaMontgomery]

happy video binge weekend for me! wow awesome video completely destroying multiple takes like this and explaining so many relevant things. "actually I can" lmao spot on. i am still refraining from tik tok but interested in more info on the revenue part. thank you !

[@shodack5124]

As usual, your research skills are so good.

[@mayeladelahuerta]

Imagine saying "life sucks right now" right after trying to take someone's house.

[@amyc.513]

Can you share how you keep your teeth so white?

[@liz3169]

More people need to watch your videos! You rock.

[@stinepetersen861]

4:00 she has always been doing that. I watches some of her videos when she was new to youtube about MLM companies. But the she made a horrendous video about MSG and refused to repond in a constructive manner to criticism. It was very clear that she either hadn't read or hadn't understood the sources she sited

[@MaggieMumblesThings]

My degree is in rangeland ecology with a focus on restoration. A lot of what I studied was how to balance grazing animals, wildlife, human recreation, and conservation. I‘ve also spent a lot of time with ranchers around the US for work. While it is true that *sustainable* grazing can be part of a balanced rangeland ecosystem, it’s not the only way to balance it. Additionally, the vast majority of livestock raised for food are not grazing and it’s just a cope for meat eaters to act as if their burger was exploring the rangelands before it ended up on their plate.

[@shayalynn]

Can you make a video about forever chemicals or PFAS? PFAS, which stands for per- and polyfluoroalkyl substances, have been linked to cancer and other health problems in humans. They are called "forever chemicals” because they don't degrade in the environment and remain in the bloodstream. They are found more prevalently in meats and a lower level in fruits.

[@limonlabr]

At this point there shouldn't be any reviews or reactions to her videos, let her fade off the platform

[@amyamy8177]

speaking of good for the planet food: what are yalls favorite legume recipes?

[@hannahmitchell87]

Well, I'm currently making a red lentil stew with cumin, preserved lemon & fresh mint. Red lentil crepes / pancakes are a winner too (tastiest warm). Anything with soy is great. Tvp is one of the cheapest high protein products where I am & I use it wherever I would use mince. Bolognese, chillis, savoury mince, curries. I've been getting into chole chaat too lately: simple chickpea salad with tamarind, served with soy milk soured cream/raita & pitta, chapattis or the lentil crepes. And chickpea tuno mayo is on pretty heavy rotation atm too, to fill sandwiches, jackets or to add to pasta salads. How about you?

[@AimeeColeman]

Chickpea flower farinata. You can get the flour very cheaply at Indian import supermarkets, and it's a really good basis for something that uses eggs like a quiche or an omelette.

[@amyamy8177]

@@hannahmitchell87 mostly tvp and lentils or chickpeas in dahl. I was kinda asking because i feel uninspired but also because i think hvaing some threads about food among the more serious topic in the comment section would be nice :D Also i really feel like legumes are one of those things that grow on you like i enjoy them much more now than a month or to ago when i started incorporating them into my diet :D

[@hannahmitchell87]

@amyamy8177 Mary's test kitchen on yt has a video about how versatile chickpeas are. She makes all sorts including noodles from them if you're fancying a play :)

[@cursedwyvern3044]

I’m genuinely asking - this video seems to imply that plastic leather is better than real leather for the environment. As far as emissions it clearly is - but what about how much harm the plastic can do through turning into micro plastics etc? I may have missed something but please help me because I don’t think pleather is good at all!

[@julianlaresch6266]

RE leather- virgin leather products are worse than pleather. But vintage leather is the best in that its already been proccesed and worn for many years and only contributes to possible transportation emissions and if needed cleaning by a professional

[@fogpumas]

God, thank you for this. That video of hers really pissed me off.

[@vegan4theanimals]

Months and months back she made a PETA video and I respectfully let her have it and she defended herself by being ignorant

[@philhunt168]

The only good thing about her channel is the HBomberGuy video.

[@carinaekstrom1]

It's also often hard to prove why things didn't happen. Or how outcomes could have been better with a different approach.

[@FallenGemini]

I think Cruel World, Happy Mind said it best that Iilluminaughtii makes videos on everything with a negative light to the point where Cruel World stated something to the likes of "Should I be afraid of going to my dentist?" The problem with Iilluminaughtii is that she pumps out so many videos in a matter of 1 week. I feel that this hampers the qualities of her videos even before the crap hit the fan with the Sad Milk accusations. I also feel like that "How to Cook That" steps out of her lane and covers stuff that she knows nothing about. As such, I feel that this is per the norm with KZbinrs as they tend to want to branch out or expand their horizons by reinventing themselves. What I mean is "How to Cook That" is covering stuff that she isn't an expert of. It is like how Doctor Phil was giving advice on COVID-19 several years ago. Even Blair reinvented herself from making fun of social justice warriors to reading reddit stories, and finally plagarising documentaries for her video essays.

[@tineputzeys]

I don't think the hbomb stuff is the only reason her comments are off. There's worse things going on.

[@xtnabcn]

Anne Reardon is a certified food scientist and dietitian. So, her approach to the nutritional value of milk is science-based. And I do enjoy her facts based approach when it comes to food. I am personally lactose intolerant since I was born, but I can't just say that milk doesn't have a nutritional value for the people who manage to stomach it down. (I don't even drink plant based milk because I hate even the idea of milk, lol)

[@Groucho_Marxist_ASMR]

Who's lazy vegan takedown was it really, tho?

[@themagicknightress7132]

I’ve heard that cows raised for leather are not raised for eating bc more emphasis is put on making their coats nice and not on making them tasty

[@vegan4theanimals]

This is physically and mentally hurting me... I was trying to debunk one thing and then another thing pops out. The fact people still believe that vegans are desteoying the planet by eating almonds and avocados is bad enough, considering how uh idk there are more peole in the world who ARE NOT vegan who eat MORE avacados/almonds by simple math alone, and thats not even consideirng the vegans who consume one or the other or neither 🤪 welcome to WackyWorld! And how animal agriculture has to feed those billions of animals plants and aren't fed fairy dust and smiles like the meat/dairy/egg industry would have you believe. 🧚‍♀️ But, the pleather thing... first off "pleather" is already a dated term. And sure if you are using PLASTIC leather that relies on fossil fuels, probably not the best choice. However, there are a plethora of PLANT based leathers that are better for the environment and not a product of cruelty... I'm sorry my brain has physically left me at this point and I'm on autopilot so things are just escaping me. This is the equivalent of saying "well if you don't eat a burger made from an animal a certain plant based burger brand is also not good for the environment" oh yeah, well thats cool how about not needing to eat that brand of plant based burger and make your own plant based burgers or just eat... something else!? Yes mom I'll be there in a minute. Yes mom, I'm still in WackyWorld... love you too... yeah, idk even bringing up pleather seems silly and dated it's like saying "coloring your hair with this worse than what I use" well, maybe they're both not good but that's why I use...plant based hair dye? It's like you're playing Uno and someone gives you a draw 4 thinking they've got you and the others also have draw 4s until it comes right back to tou, and now you have to draw 12. "How dare you vegans drive cars?" Well...don't you? And some of us don't and we walk, take the bus, and/or drive more economically friendly vehicles. I caaaan't I'm so done.

[@kassimhamidjuma627]

16:53 No, you're absolutely right, swazy. Not only does she not believe in the cause of veganism, but she doesn't believe in anything she claims to believe in. She doesn't really want to talk because she's done. There are so many horrific things behind closed doors. She talks about Putting others down in order to rise up above, as if somehow she's never exhibited those patterns of behaviour in her life when in reality she has on multiple times throughout her KZbinr career, which thankfully she doesn't have any more.

[@melaniexoxo]

TikTok is awesome. You shape your algorithm pretty fast. I’m burned out on it so on a LONG TT break but its a great platform

[@hannahmitchell87]

A friend of mine broke a rib from coughing. Hope that's not the case with you! X

[@LLCCB]

I love how just showing that thumbnail is enough said.

[@Serioslump]

Glad to have you back!

[@wolf3104]

Our planet is not dying. We are. She just resets and start all over again like she did before.

[@connar-zm3gx]

Hey unnatural vegan I like ur videos and was hoping if youd do a video on educating children and how to do it/ if you should do it. I have a little sister and would like to tell her about veganism and the reasons one might turn to veganism but I also dont want to traumatise her by showing her slaughterhous videos

[@kikiTHEalien]

Why would you show those videos to anyone at all?

[@rachelellasmama]

Let her eat what she wants to eat.

[@connar-zm3gx]

@@rachelellasmama dont you think she should know how the food system works so that she can make her own decisions?

[@connar-zm3gx]

@@kikiTHEalien yeah thats what im saying, how can I inform someone like a kid of how the animal system works without giving her information which will traumatize her. It can be a question broadened to " how can you tell someone the truth of how the world works without making them saddened by it"

[@rachelellasmama]

@@connar-zm3gx exactly. You're trying to force her into being a vegan. If she likes meat, she likes meat. Whatever.

[@larissabrglum3856]

I appreciate videos that break down Blair's shitty videos point by point. We've had plenty of coverage of how she's a bad person, but it's interesting to see just how low-quality her videos are. I watched her for a while early on, back when the quality seemed to be pretty good (I was also younger and my tastes in KZbin content weren't what they are now), but there was a noticeable decline over time that made me lose interest. I was actually considering unsubscribing from her about a year ago, and then BAM! This whole thing blew up.

[@garethbaus5471]

If all livestock were exclusively raised on byproducts that are not edible to humans and truly unfarmable pasture I honestly wouldn't object to it on environmental grounds it would be a limited practice to get food from resources that wouldn't otherwise produce food. We would only be able to produce a fraction of current animal product output in that scenario though so it is a moot point unless animal product consumption drops significantly.

[@kevinz.9785]

An open letter to the troll that keeps deleting posts: Let's be honest. You created alt accounts so you could continue your trolling and white knighting for the Immoral Dorito as the well is drying up. The writing is on the wall, the Triangle Mommy has only upload 3 videos this year and the coverage of her has halted. Your acute obsessive sealioning addiction is not active anymore, and you're having withdrawals. Good luck to you bro, I sincerely hope you move on or seek help. P.S. This is my post and there is nothing you can do to delete it.

[@kevinz.9785]

@@king-of-swing You're the obtuse sealion, it is a fact not name calling. I have the proof. How many alts are you up to James? Gaslighting does not work on me, even with your alt accounts.

[@kevinz.9785]

@@king-of-swing You are still the delusional schizophrenic that used alts in the same thread like Doobieshmirtz. Right obtuse sealion?

[@kevinz.9785]

@@king-of-swing Then answer this, my open letter was to the account 'xt4ge', why did you reply back? And I'll bet that account will not reply to this tread, unless you want to show your psychosis.

[@kevinz.9785]

@@king-of-swing That's what I thought, thanks for confirming.

[@kevinz.9785]

@@king-of-swing You're the one that replies to your own alts like Doobieshmirtz, like the dumb troll you are.

[@Nathouuuutheone]

I hate TikTok so much. The way it bombards you with insipid trash and does not give a single shit about what you actually want to see, it's like Facebook and Twitter's "please get mad, it makes us money" economic model but with extreme ADHD plus cocaine and bad remixes of random-ass songs. It does seem like the culture on it is maturing slowly but steadily, thanks to figures like Hank Green, but god I hate it so much. I never ever want to use it. Not to mention the whole chinese thing. I am GLAD my government is considering banning it. I am GLAD all the news and official communications services have started boycotting it. We do not need to be giving money and information to a dangerous government who doesn't even allow the app within its borders.

[@Zectifin]

Pleather isn't that great so we should just use leather? I have an idea, don't use either. You don't need to wear fake leather. There are cloth belts and you could just not buy a skirt or jacket made of fake leather. Its not like its the only kind of clothing material lol.

[@ginparadise]

You are the only one i trust when it comes to veganism! Thank you for this video! Blaire is unhinged! 😅😅😅❤❤❤

[@FrancisR420]

I've heard this argument around and it's just so ridiculous Sweet video

[@stevencats7137]

OMG. I watched her video (haven’t even watch yours yet) ….. I am speechless. I don’t know if a video has ever gotten me so worked up before that I couldn’t even finish it. ITS SO BAD. The whole thing is a fallacy. It’s like one big strawman. I think this lady just gaslight the entire vegan community and then hid behind disabled comments. Not even that what I’ve learned guy made me this annoyed. Just WOW

[@LittleRedToyota]

I would take everything Iilluminaughtii says with a grain of salt anyway... She's been exposed for both financial and mental abuse through the past year. Nobody is taking her seriously anymore.

[@spencer-raynnebailey6017]

it makes me sad you didnt take about fast fasion.😊

[@Audi3nc3ofon3]

I will not lie, it was very hard to get through this video. The debate of Vegan versus Omnivorous diets is one that has only gotten worse and worse over time. For a lot of people who enjoy meat/animals (like myself) a lot of research goes into what animals need and what can and cannot harm them. The thing is, I also have a few sensory issues; so certain meat-based products (such as certain hot dogs, sausages, cold cuts, and ground meats) are a no-go for me. Out of a sense of curiosity, I turned to vegan sausages and quite like them. They texture and flavor are quite good, and I only have one real problem that I think a lot of vegan overlook: The thin, clear plastic casing. Yeah, the casing is more of the issue for me than anything else, as well as the argument of "pesticides and herbicides are never going away". They can and should, especially if it betters the local ecosystem/waterways. I, personally, have learned of a lot of deterrents thanks to doing wildlife rehab. Trust me when I say, it’s bad when squirrels start eating hot peppers. As for the idea that people don’t need meat: that is false. We are omnivores, and even if we weren’t we’d likely still indulge in meat every once in a while for the nutrients within. Having said that, humans are obsessed with this vague notion of health and believe cutting out red meat will solve it. Here’s another thing I learned from being a rehabber: Most animals can’t eat pork, lamb, or chicken breast. Pork and Lamb is self-explanatory; it’s too tough. But, why not chicken breast? Well, because it’s what’s known as a washed meat. Basically, it’s so scrubbed clean that it has very little nutrients left. So, while it’s good for losing weight, it’s not good as a source of food. And that’s only looking at greenhouse gasses produced by the product, not taking into account machinery, water required, of various other “drugs”/”medicines” (for lack of understanding what to call it). The fact of the matter is, there’s VERY strict rules on what you can and can’t do with animals, from housing, to food, to water, to enrichment, to medication, to how long you keep it alive (source: I’m a wildlife Rehabber in America, currently involved in sorting out an animal hoarding case. Why is a wildlife rehabber involved in a hoarding case? Take a wild fucking guess.) These things are much more relaxed with plants though. Honestly, I have lost more rabbits to contaminated lettuce than I have any other animal to improper care. So imagine what happens to all the food waste that either gets left on the side of the road, unwashed, and with full-strength pesticide/herbicide on them. But, more to my main point: The reason it's so complicated is because of how we process modern-day food. Truth be told, meat versus veggies is not the argument, it should be an argument of sourcing. Meat from a hunted animal is notoriously better than meat from a domesticated animal; and vegetables/fruits grown in your backyard are notoriously better than those from the supermarket. No matter how you slice it, humans are omnivores and require both. Add to that: True Vegan/herbivore species are incredibly rare. You may think squirrels, rabbit, birds, and deer are herbivores, but they're actually what's known as an "facultative herbivore". This means that, while most of their diet does consist of vegetation, they do sometimes eat meat. Deer will sometimes eat baby birds, rabbits will sometimes eat their own young, squirrels will eat eggs, and many birds start eating bugs in the spring to feed their young. Sorry, I went on a rant. As you can tell, animals are my passion, and I know of only two obligate herbivore birds (Birds that absolutely can't eat meat): Doves and pigeons. If a dove or a pigeons does "eat" an egg, what they're after is the shell (which has calcium) rather than the yolk. Sorry this is so long.

[@yangtse55]

tl:dr

[@Audi3nc3ofon3]

@@yangtse55 tl;dr: the agricultural business is a murkey pool of chaos with no right or wrong side. Each side has their problems, and each side has their boons. Also, There are natural herbicides/pesticides and to say otherwise implies a lack of care for the local flora and fauna.

[@nurie8487]

I don't know if you saw it, but a youtuber called "bobby's perspective" made some videos about you, that I think were really weird and basically bodyshaming you and other vegan, I guess he's kinda obsessed with us vegans... Would be cool if you could do a response at one of his videos, I'd be laughing my ass off XD Btw you're my fav vegan ytuber, nuch more relatable than those overly "hEalThY" vegan influencers

[@tamcon72]

He's not mentally stable. He's in some sort of weird religious cult-type mindset.

[@Maryaminx]

Someone with free time should source all the material she yoinked for the original video

[@obsc3n3skull]

I don't think anyone takes Iilluminaughthief seriusly any more since the whole EVERYTHING that came out last year. I'm honestly surprised if she wrote any of that script herself rather than just copying it directly from some anti-vegan blogg.

[@larissabrglum3856]

Oh, you know they aren't her original thoughts, she's never had one of those

[@jedstanaland2897]

I will say the following, first off many people including in the developed world can't get enough nutrition without the consumption of animals. Many people simply can't get enough nutrition from a plant only diet because of allergies or inability to properly process the materials. Many people can't replace the animal proteins and nutrients with insect or plant options.

[@michellemiddlemiss9890]

I would love to be Vegans but I can't for heath reasons . There one thing I also wondered if the ones the do it for animals rights if they would start their own egg farm. Cause Hens lay eggs with out males so you could make sure that the Hens are Started like Pets . .

[@Cindybeq]

It would be great to see the earthling Ed books in your background

[@syntheax2788]

You sound a bit sickly here... Get well soon

[@tamcon72]

Ah, so THIS is where the anti-vegan dopes at that Oxford Union anti-vegan vs vegan throwdown got their talking points from! Thanks for posting!

[@bekkahstyles7569]

I generally agree with your video except for when you dismiss the fact that fast fashion consumerism IS a HUGE problem and a heavy contributor to climate change. Two things can be true. One does not exclude the other

[@alanhansmannkurtcobain8811]

Unnatural Vegan is so smart!

[@earthyvibrations11.11]

Aside from the math being way off in the political ecology paper, the style of writing with all the (emotionally charged side notes) reads as very unprofessional and unscientific.

[@fabygoo]

OMG I remember that video 🙄🙄🙄

[@fabygoo]

And the Peta one 🫠🫠

[@danielsimmich1858]

I’m biased but I’d argue geography is a relevant field with these discussions. Amy Trauger is just a bad example :(

[@AyalaMatherd]

Ann Reardon has been fact checked and called out more than once, and she never corrects the record, nor does she acknowledge that she misunderstood something or got something wrong. 1 Example: The Pink Sauce Lady debacle.