IIT prof discusses problems with coaching before 10+2

Many parents are taken in by the dreams of their children earning packages of crores after graduating from the IITs. With this dream, they send their children to coaching as early as Standard 6 or 7.
In this video, I discuss some of the serious problems this very early coaching can lead to.
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Disclaimer: I am a faculty member in the Mechanical Engineering Department of IIT Kharagpur. However, the views expressed in this video are my own and do not necessarily represent those of my Department or my Institute.

[@kavitham2294]

Thanks for showing real good interest with Children. It's an eye opener to the parents to identify the child's ability and proceed on the basis of the talent of the children. Well said Sir. Thank you so much. God bless you Sir

[@Prof_JC]

Thank you for the kind words.

[@sundernarayan2643]

The message you have sent to the parents is so profound. The key message from this and something which I keep telling parents is that "Dont try to fulfil your unrealised dreams through your children".

[@Prof_JC]

We can never overemphasise that line!

[@aryanmandal4109]

It's a sad reality. X cr package will gain more TRP as compared to someone which has done some groundbreaking research in their field.

[@aaravarora3520]

Glad someone took the initiative. Really appreciated, Sir!

[@amitkulkarni9566]

IITs are as much as to blame for the mushrooming of coaching classes, when they changed their examination format from subjective. which was common till late nineties. Students who get in definitely have concepts, clarity and problem-solving skills, but there would be many that focus on hacks, eliminations, hook and crook to get answer, attempted similar prob and mug up intermediate results to plug in values for quick solving as taught to them by these commercial houses.

[@vaibhavsingh1113]

Really thought provoking. One of the best advices i have ever heard on youtube. This video should be shown to every parents in India.

[@Prof_JC]

Thank you for the kind words.

[@user-lt4np9dn5p]

Sir Thanks for addressing root problems of thinking of parents.

[@srsreekanthsr]

Excellent insights. Thank you 🙏

[@omprakash935]

I work at colliers as a MEP engineer , but i still like your videos.your videos are always noteworthy for students

[@sandhya5236]

Excellent video and message Professor. I have personally seen few parents, who boast that their child is going to jee coaching as early as class 6. They make it as a proud element, for them to boast. And this Return on investment point, well said Professor. People should trust the process, rather than only aiming at the result. One of my close family member just finished MBBS in NRI quota in a private medical college. So you can imagine the amount of fees, that they would have paid. Next they are planning for MD seat. So her parents are now truly worried about the ROI aspect, about when she can start earning it all back. This is such an enlightening video for parents, if at least one of them changes their approach, towards their child, that would be really amazing.

[@shanukumar2597]

Sir most of the children not be able afford coacing even they interested in doing preparation of jee so my request is can your team make a specific playlist for regarding jee preparation in nptel with sufficient level of practicing good questions, like you asked in jee exam with atleast two language hindi and english. It would be great for us because i seen most of the talented students are not able to fullfill their dream just because of money and unproper guidelines

[@Krishna-sn3lj]

Thanks sir ❤❤

[@sohampatil5619]

Hey sir thank you for uplading this video and providing a different perspective on this journey, I am an 11th grader. I too aim to go to top colleges like IITs but the problem I am facing is that I joined a local class near my home (integrated) the faculty is good but everything else is not that good like tests,etc. Many of my friends are going to top highschools and some of them even achieved national achievements through the high school opportunities. I had to take an integrated clg i.e only practicals. The studies is starting to feel like pressure. I am scoring good in classes but idk if ill be able to get in IITs / the biggest concern for me is what if I don't get into IITs and have a guilt that my 2 years of highschool will also wasted

[@swastikaxedits4785]

Sir Love you your Idea to share

[@soumyabratamukherjee5021]

Sir, with all due respect I think it is very difficult to crack the jee exam without coaching. We may try dreaming about a future where students are able to crack JEE without any coaching, but that will be a fantasy. If the JEE council decides to change the exam pattern the coaching institutes will simply change their coaching strategy and nothing will change. I think at this point it is beyond repair. This is because IITs are famous for all wrong reasons. The only reason an 'IIT an' is considered a GENIUS, is not because they proved a long standing theorem in mathematics or did some groundbreaking research in science, but just because they cracked a difficult exam!! Further, there is a strong trend among undergraduate students to go for high paying jobs that requires no application of the advanced things they know. The only way we can change this trend is to stop hyping IITs because of difficult entrance exams and start judging them based on the original research being carried out. This will also promote a trend within the undergraduate students to go for research and do something truly groundbreaking rather than graduating with a high paying finance job and bragging about it for the rest of their life.

[@Prof_JC]

Please watch the full video first.

[@soumyabratamukherjee5021]

I'm sorry for my ad-hoc comments before watching your video. I just repeated a lot of the things that you said. But still I think this doesn't invalidate my points. The caliber of top institutes should be judged on the basis of original research they carry out and not because of how high of a wall you have to cross to get into it. Moreover, I think a lot of important innovations from our institutes get overshadowed by placement statistics because that's what most people care about. The purpose of IITs, as perceived by an average Indian is not to advance human knowledge but rather to fetch the students high paying jobs. I think sadly, this mentality is not going to change soon. By the way, I am someone with average mathematical and scientific caliber and my prophetic abilities are even worse. So I could be completely wrong in my assessment. I would like to know your thoughts.

[@VenkatanarasimhaHegde]

Hi, IITs are indeed powerhouses of research. They may not have a very high ranking internationally but are really great at research. And remember that research is phenomenal not because students are smart at solving equations. It is strong because of the integrity and motivation of students and professors.

[@nirupammaity4318]

I completely agree with your thoughts

[@soumyabratamukherjee5021]

@@VenkatanarasimhaHegde I never said that they are not. Indeed, they are some of the best we have got. My point is, that they are not recognized enough for it. Especially when the nation is busy counting the number of zeros in CTCs. I don't really pay much attention to international rankings anyways.

[@emeraldguidanceeducational1424]

Sir the problem is Career councelling is not done in school. It is not a part of school curriculum. Half of all these problems can be countered at school level. If proper career councelling is done

[@ankitpal325]

Sir kindly make a video on the students over dependent on teacher. The studen in the online study environment completly depend upon video lectures rather than studying book by oneself. They can not study by themselves through book.

[@phenomenal4647]

Awesome

[@llbodlearning8591]

I agree. I was topper in mathematics upto 10th. Then had coaching for medical entrance exam. Coaching teachers messed up my mind. It result into very poor +2 result. Although I got rank in medical entrance exam. But school teachers too didn't prepared me for competitive environment.

[@harshitpatil2368]

In the end it is happy to stay happy rather than running behind something that you dont want .

[@VenkatanarasimhaHegde]

sir, don't you think this scenario is caused by the income disparity between jobs? Also, a lack of respect for several very challenging engineering jobs/ branches just because the sector is not very fancy..

[@karthikdathathri2565]

True, also many of the students move to IT/Software because those were the high paying jobs.

[@TheGuruNetOn]

If economy opens up and reforms are done then there will be surge in job market, eventually all fields will benefit and grow in job availability. We've already seen this with 1992 reforms. Today's economy is what it is because of that and whatever reforms took place since then. Both State and Central govt have to reform obsolete laws and policies from colonial and socialist times. The day that happens we will start seeing the change in job market. It'll be gradual but solid change as different reforms take effect.

[@buddhadebbhattacharyaarchi1510]

Sir, with due respect to your opinion, I would like to share my experience in the industry, I work at one of the more cherished software organizations ( or so I would imagine). Engineering entrance examinations have at least a ladder-like approach, if you fail in old IITs, you may make it to the newer IITs, if not then NITs, and there are a few handful of state engineering colleges which also are still worth pursuing an Engineering degree from( I studied in one of them). After this, even if you bachelors from, even if you wake up late in life, you still get a chance to correct your pathway through say GATE or GRE. Even if you fail there, there are umpteen chances to interview prove your mettle, and work yourself up the ladder once you get yourself out in the job market. A senior architect in my organization is not an IITian or not from any college of repute. Needless to mention, he guides a lot of IITians. Many of the professors in IIT KGP itself do not hold a bachelor's degree from the IIT. My Uber point is that, unlike some other entrances like UPSC, which does not really have a fallback option or a redemption route, engineering offers umpteen chances to fail and rise. It is not a 10-year race, 10 years is the time to get to the starting point, then the real race begins. It's an unfair analogy to compare engineering with a niche skill like cricket or acting or politics, where it is all or nothing.

[@Shouryavardhansinghtawar-qv4uk]

AGREED COMRADE

[@Prof_JC]

All correct statements. But I am afraid, you may have missed the entire point of the video.

[@yugam6578]

Sir please tell from where do you put jee advanced questions

[@shardul_bhatkar18]

Sir I am currently studying in class 9 and I have geniune liking for science and especially maths. I havent joined any coaching for class 9 but am planning to do so in 10th. I want to pursue PCM in 10+2, and I am currently solving HC Verma and also 11th science material (not understanding fully, but getting a gist). Sir please share your valuable and motivational opinion ❤

[@annacaelan]

Sir, I watch your videos since a very long time and I am currently in 8th standard, my parents have mentioned or regarded no such pressure in context of my education but as a student, I am often worried about my own. I want to do well in few of the olympiads like (RMO, NSEJS, and senior olympiads in future). Much to my dismay, coaching doesn't help me in these cases rather you have to prepare it yourself and I am completely fine by that. I have contemplated much if I want to continue coaching or not, this stems from the fact that when I try to prepare myself for such olympiads, I get a lot of doubts, I have followed your suggestion to understand the topics on my own, and I try to do that, still I get hindrance. (For example, some topics of Inorganic Chemistry is where I get stuck on). The teachers at my coaching don't really teach anything "extra" as in such but they are always ready to clear my doubts. In future, neither do I want any high paying job nor I really have dreams getting into an IIT. Rather I want to do something in the field of Science, I am still not a cent percent sure that if I should continue my coaching. My only question will be, should I be doing these olympiads completely with my own resources and knowledge, or try from coaching? Please Sir, help me in this regard of my choices. (I am really sorry if this is somewhat not related to the video but I would be grateful for your advice.)

[@ShubhTheOcean]

Bro there are many channels teaching Olympiad level content on KZbin. I would suggest you to study from those channels, parallel to coaching (since you have more time). Also some great books are there, like Feynman lectures on physics etc.

[@adityat2627]

Sir please provide a video discussing about national Olympiad prep (like inpho,inpho.INMO,inao) at grades like 9th,10th and 11th

[@rohitsutar1891]

SIR PLEASE GUESS AND TELL THERE ARE TOTAL HOW MANY PERCENT DROPPERS IN IIT

[@cartoonstelugu5767]

Big fan of you sir I will meet you at iit kharagpur 2024 sir

[@Prof_JC]

All the best!

[@cartoonstelugu5767]

@@Prof_JC thank you sir 😊

[@lucky-to3ti]

Sir can we crack iit without coaching before 10 Thank you sir big fan

[@geetasreeroy1475]

Sir, my son is only 7 years old. I'm a teacher and my husband is an assistant professor at a government medical college. We both are eager to know that how can we support him in studies at home( keeping in mind the conceptualized and deepening of knowledge) as he can enjoy his study?

[@sundayvlogs4598]

One of my close friend started his prepration now only he want to repeat class 11 do there would be any effects in number of attempts in mains and advanced.? Currently he is 2025,2026 aspirant next year after repeating he would 2026,2027 so he can give only 2026 or in 2026,2027.?

[@adityanagesh9554]

Many parents are admitting nursery and kindergarten students to tuition.I was shocked at the number of restless kids being coached to submit homework and achieve excellent grades.

[@phaniraj5142]

Sir, aap kahana kya chate ho? Apart from Engineering, if other profession too are attractive and has status in society, students and parents will opt...but there is no much scope in India for sports, sports medicine, architecture, lawyer, hotel management etc...

[@TheGuruNetOn]

If economy opens up and reforms are done then there will be surge in job market, eventually ALL fields will benefit and grow in job availability. We've already seen this with 1992 reforms. Today's economy is what it is because of that and whatever reforms took place since then. Both State and Central govt have to reform obsolete laws and policies from colonial and socialist times. The day that happens we will start seeing the change in job market. It'll be gradual but solid change as different reforms take effect. India has grown and continuing to grow on world stage economically. So hopefully we can hire that these reforms go through and improve for our children in coming decade.

[@krushnachChandra]

my simple question why IIT only why to clog it , why not at the same time improve quality of existing university's where people can go and get similar level why not revamp the syllabus why not improve the labs all.

[@NileshKumar81020]

Government is not going to focus at this particular problem because it will not help them to re win the elections 😢😢

[@Abhijeet-sm5em]

i think everything at last comes down to placements many tier 3 college students are working in big tech companies but they got mostly through off campus iits have direct on campus placements which attract most of people also professors , equipments are quite good at iits what sets them apart is the students studying there

[@shahrukhraja73]

Sir ,i am drom medical coll and will appear for PG entrance 2024. I fins very difficult in revision . Will you please guide what should be a strategy to revise , from day 1 till exam date .. please sir it's a request .

[@dhritimandutta6625]

Hi Jeevan da..I was your junior to you at don bosco..

[@ronnieyes4770]

Sir I am currently studying in class 11 th and preparing for jee . I never knew what my talent is or what are the things that i am good at . I was always told by my parents and relatives that only studying will make you succesfull in life . So I was studious kid from my childhood hoping that one day i will be succesfull , everybody around me used to tell that being succesfull is earning a lot of money and for that you need a good job When I entered class 10 th I realised that studying was not everything in life but my parents had that expectations from me they thought i was a genius student My father asked me what i want to do and i had no answer to it because all my life I never explored my abilities All my freinds are running after that iit tag I always ask myself why i am doing this will earning a lot money will make happier and solve all my problems Sir please tell me how can find my abilities or talent It will be really helful

[@TheGuruNetOn]

It's difficult to know what one's abilities are at young age. There are "aptitude tests" that can be taken to try and identify what qualities a person has. Be careful to go to experienced people while taking the test though. There are many incompetent companies who care more about making money (with tieups with coaching centres) than guiding students correctly. We can say it's more a bent of mind or Qualities at most. Someone may be physically active or intellectually active from a young age. Others may develop these abilities over time. So as such there's no real test which says that you can only do X and not Y activity. When you put your Qualities to WORK then they become Abilities (able to do something) because now you know that you're able to DO X activity. And that you LIKE doing that activity as more than a time pass.

[@manavgupta2140]

please explore the world a little bit so u can identify ,, sitting i a room and thinking about your abilities ,, shit man ,, in this way u cant find your ability ,, IT WILL BE A RANDOM DAY WHEN YOU WILL REALISE WHAT ARE YOU MEANT FOR JUST EXPLORE DIFFERENT THINGS

[@ronnieyes4770]

@@manavgupta2140 bro what is the meaning of exploring exactly

[@thehalfbloodprince-nm8uk]

Firstly how is your preparation going Based on that further advice can be given Iit doesn't guarantee that you will get a lot of money. Iit is more like a platform Where you can explore your abilities

[@manavgupta2140]

THATS YOUR TASK ,, ALL THE BEST HOPE YOU WILL BE ABLE TO FIND @@ronnieyes4770

[@32bit27]

Morning sir , do you have any views on +2 students who are either droppers/repeaters like myself , also do you have a personal email id you could share ? I hope i wont be tresspassing anything but there are very few people who understand these situations and try to give plausible solutions to it.

[@Prof_JC]

I have already made a couple of videos on this topic where I have elaborated my thoughts. Please take a look.

[@32bit27]

@@Prof_JC Ohk Thank you sir

[@phantom_utkarsh]

sir it would be helpful if u could make this video in hindi my parents are not that much educated they doesn't understand english.

[@Prof_JC]

I am glad you asked! I have already made that video. Here is the link: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fImpdqyeZcx4gMk

[@phantom_utkarsh]

@@Prof_JC thank you so much sir

[@deeevi206]

My son is doing his IGCSE in UK , I am planning him to study IIT in India. Is it worth coming back and study IIT in India or continue in UK . Competition is less in UK please help

[@Prof_JC]

If your son is growing up in the UK, I don't think it would be a good idea for him to come back and study in India. The main reason is social. He is already adjusted to a certain mode of teaching, schooling, friendship. If that is suddenly changed, it will be a frustrating experience for him. And, actually in the UK, too, competition is very high if your son targets Oxford, Cambridge, and Imperial.

[@thenameishitesh]

Hi sir

[@dvfh3073]

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[@chanellnotifier]

are you bengali sir?

[@mehedihasan503]

Yes

[@krox477]

Ai is coming

[@anirudh1645]

problem is 3rd world country...