IL-2 1946: The Ultimate B-17 Flying Fortress Experience

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A B-17 Combat Wing is attacked by Roberth, Darky and Skorzy while on its way to target and back.
This was filmed in multiplayer, since such attacks are not possible with AI. I was in two different B-17s while Darky, Roberth and Skorzy attacked in german fighters. I later added voice overs from eight different people and a lot of sound effects to make it sound authentic.
German attacks and other interesting moments, "R" indicates an attack by Roberth, "S" means Skorzy and "D" stands for Darky:
00:42 D1
01:17 R1 & S1
02:44 S2
03:58 D2
04:39 S3
05:26 S4 & S5
06:16 S6
06:28 R2 & D3
06:59 S7
07:21 S8
07:50 D4
08:14 S9
08:57 R3
09:57 S10
10:25 D5
10:45 S11
11:29 S12
12:20 R4
13:16 D6
13:39 D7
13:58 R5
15:14 R6
16:26 D8
17:19 D9
19:15 D10
22:05 D11
25:06 D12
27:43 D13
28:20 Bomb run
30:51 Bombs away!
33:30 D14
33:45 S13
34:59 S14
35:48 D15
36:21 S15
38:02 S16
38:22 D16
39:12 S17
40:01 S18
41:15 D17
42:41 S19
43:16 S20
44:15 D18
46:53 D19
49:50 D20
Thank you pilots!
DarkenedFantasies, for piloting 109s and 190s.
/ nautiidarkside
Roberth aka BroFloyd, for piloting 109s.
/ @kg_sroberth2238
Skorzy, for piloting 109s.
Tolwyn for piloting 109s.
I/JG2_Bouma for testing.
Thank you voice actors!
Psycho as Bombardier
Zippo as Navigator
Calvin S. as Pilot
Tolwyn as Top turret gunner
Moostic as Rear gunner
Shalopy as Left waist gunner
What.avi as Right waist gunner
StukaBlyat as Ball turret gunner
Sorry Dragon of Dojima, I chose another actor for that part :(
Special thanks to Tolwyn for editing the voice files!
FAQ:
Game?
IL2 1946 4.12.2
Mods?
HSFX 7.0.3
www.sas1946.com/main/index.php...
Visual MOD 8
www.sas1946.com/main/index.php...
Command and Control
www.sas1946.com/main/index.ph...
Mission?
Custom made one available on mediafire:
www.mediafire.com/file/b4j2yyb...
Optional skins:
www.mediafire.com/file/7fp5hox...
Map?
Bessarabia
Difficulty?
Realistic
Hardware?
- i5-3450 @ 3,10 GHz
- 16 gb ram
- gtx 970
- ssd harddrive
- Logitech Extreme 3D ;)
- Trackir5
Wanna fly with me? Contact me!
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[@cfeauto5938]

i thought for a second that the voices sounded way too young...then i realized even at 24 im older than most of those brave pilots that flew those wonderful, terrible machines

[@BernardusKhan-bq8vu]

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[@actualcreaturegaming4663]

yeah, average age was 25... crazy aye

[@Loup-mx7yt]

The b17 models are still better than the low ass poly of a b17 in war thunder

[@hardlydank932]

One of the reasons I quit WT is because the damage models are bad. My B17 felt like it was made of cardboard. I like IL2 1946 much better lol

[@stuka6727]

@@hardlydank932 cardboard?

[@shadowraft6726]

@@hardlydank932 more like paper

[@skyjaythefirst7331]

If only I could play IL-2 on xbox.

[@Pandacat80]

This shows how difficult it was for a human gunner to shoot down a fighter. However, the AI gunners with their "computerized" aiming have phenomenal accuracy in this game.

[@colinkelly5420]

@h0ust0n Debatable, depends on the time period. The USAAF had surprisingly bad gunnery training for their men until late 1943. If you listen to what Curtis LeMay says in 1943, most of the gunners were badly trained, with only some experience on .30 cal guns on stationary platforms, shooting against moving cardboard targets. Many veterans from 1942/43 will also state their training was completely inadequate. It remained relatively inadequate until late 1943. If you youtube that cartoon training video for US bomber gunners, that was actually the first time that kind of detailed training was passed on to the men (cartoon is dated 1944). It was largely due to the work of one specific American who rewrote the gunnery training for US gunner after he saw it was of a low standard.

[@colinkelly5420]

@h0ust0n Agreed that gunners can't adaquately protect a formation, but at the very least better trained gunners can increase the attrition on the enemy. The thing is, aerial gunnery can be counter intuitive at times. Since you are on a moving aircraft, and the enemy aircraft is moving as well, there is much more to hitting a target then just aiming in front of him. In fact, depending on the direction the bomber and enemy fighter are flying in comparison to eachother, at times you actually have to aim BEHIND the moving fighter for your bullets to converge on them, rather then in front which is what you'd think. The early US training for their gunners was horribly inadaquate, which is weird because so much faith was placed in the defensive firepower of the bombers to keep casualties to a bearable level.

[@TheGentleUncle]

Yes, THIS shows that...

[@christopherfischer6998]

Agreed

[@Chris-hall9080]

This must’ve been incredible to see in real life

[@rodrigonppn]

pretty scary actually.

[@Fastbikkel]

Try some books, it gives great insight. I have read a number and still have a few books here. They were very easy to read for me, so many details.

[@migmadmarine]

its the stuff of ptsd nightmates

[@daltonredharlowbell9816]

Surviving a bombing run on a German target was 50/50. As you would experience flak upon approaching the target or Bf-109s flying past taking many of your combat wing down. Many times a friendly bomber would collide with another on the way down to the ground. World War II movies don’t show much of bombing runs in B-17s or B-24s. Which is sad because of how many bombers never return from missions. An officer would have a clipboard and pencil tallying how many bombers left and returned. My grandfather was apart of a B-17 combat wing in World War II and said the flak was terrifying to see around his position as bombardier. And not to mention the Bf-109s intercepting the formation. His best friend was shot down in the B-17 just above his and watched it go down in flames and no parachutes were spotted.

[@chrislapp9468]

Tail gunner had the best view.

[@migmadmarine]

imagine having to do that 25 plus times? my hat goes off and i salute these brave men

[@warrenchambers4819]

Your ship sir is 303rd BG 358th Sq VK A, her name was Skywolf and she was lost on Jan 11 44 over Oshersleben Germany/as lead ship. How do I know this? Because Don Delaura(Lead Bombardier) bailed out of it and I knew him. Thanks for makin her live once again.

[@Fishyyy]

Sorry to tell you, but there are no accurately marked aircraft in this mission, I created "generic" 303rd skins marked with A, B and C and just added an available tail number. Filming was done from five different B-17s by the way. However, I did make a video with the historically accurate Skywolf in it. It's a recreation of a Bremen raid that Skywolf actually was part of and Skywolf even is in the correct place in the formation. Skywolf was part of the high squadron, it's the fourth B-17 from the right at 47:00 kzbin.info/www/bejne/d2G9aZJ6qpl-bq8 It's hard to explain with text, but you can check out where the aircraft was in the formation in the mission report on the 303rd website. It's the aircraft piloted by Carl Morales. www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/031.pdf However apparently Don Delaura wasn't on that mission.

[@warrenchambers4819]

Have I got a story for you. On January 11 1944 right before taxiing out for assembly Don was switched from William Dashiell's crew to Morales crew as he was picked at the last minute to be lead bombardier. As I can tell you are a man who does his research (I admire that) and if you look at William Dashiell's crew photo you'll notice George Morrison and Don Delaura both are not listed as KIA but we know that crew was lost in an unnamed B-17 on the Oshersleben mission, well that means both those men were not with Dashiell that day. So where were they? George Morrison was not on flight status due to prior wounding although he did plead with the doc to clear him to go. And as I stated before Don was switched before take off. I knew both these men. George was a high school teacher of mine and we became great friends. Sadly I only found Don 6 months after George passed. You see George didn't know Don was switched and therefore never knew he'd lived. And it is for this reason I have an affinity for Skywolf. I'll ck out your other video now and comment more of this amazing story. Oh one more thing Ck out "The molesworth pilot here www.google.com/url?q=www.303rdbg.com/news/2011-07-17 George was discovered to have written that letter. In the book "Three engines 1/2 wing and a Prayer" the writer mentions this letter but did not know the author at the time. Funny thing is I know for a fact the author of it George read that book but didn't mention it(He did have many nightmares while reading it, I even tried to take it back to which he flatly refused. I felt bad that I'd stirred up painful memories for him.)

[@jonathontyynismaa5310]

@@Fishyyy aww man that person should of said blood suckers coming in

[@rickmoreno6858]

those were young men fighting for there country too, they were humans as was the bomber crew. so stop with this nonsense. have some respect for your enemy to, cause to be quite frank FDR allowed the US to get attacked to join the war and those are facts, he embargoed the japanese cause he knew they would attack, they lacked oil and other fine war materials they had no other options; were they looking to militarialy expand, yes, but they didnt want a fight with america, america wanted one;FDR was a cock sucker, he was blowing churchhill. just as did woodrow wilson ship arms to the british via the lusitania, america wasnt and never has been for the just war.

[@uncletimo6059]

@Rick Moreno What no one talks about was the USA guaranteeing Dutch East Indies.

[@PitviperXD]

It really makes me happy seeing new IL2 1946 videos. I grew up in the game and still fly it occasionally. Fantastic video, really well made.

[@Karelwolfpup]

I love the flow of this, the group attacks, then the individual attacks with the two ship attacks like at around 20:00 feeling like a pair of Experten or a flight lead and his wingman. it is also pretty tense to see as well. Poor guys must have dreaded becoming a straggler

[@Moostic]

Very pleased with how this came out. Good work!

[@graustreifbrombeerkralle1078]

Those voices really sound authentic! Good one!

[@saucejohnson9862]

The only thing missing is the wingtip to wingtip formations.

[@TheCatMan7626]

Wait they were talking or was it the game?

[@SalmonTooter]

@@TheCatMan7626 in game

[@dsa3403]

Beautiful as always. Great work, man

[@MyHungryWidow]

Nice! Really liking the final product.

[@RascalKyng]

Thanks for posting this. The time event counter, in description, was nice of you... Still a fun simulation. .

[@hardlydank932]

Wow, after reading the desc you put a *lot* of work in this video great job!

[@mikhailiagacesa3406]

This...is just agonizing. Very realistic and scary. Well done!

[@robertmiller2173]

Thanks, this was a truly great program, and historically accurate in every detail!

[@matthewrosengren2813]

Great video. It’s so much better with real voices than hearing the game’s default voices. Keep up the fantastic work. Can’t wait for the next video. Cheers!👍🏻

[@shaunwilliams3533]

Awesome video as usual! Great job. I love these bomber formation attacks.

[@f0cke_wulf764]

Ay you play WoD? I think I've seen you on the discord.

[@shaunwilliams3533]

Yes! I'm on the discord server, I have infact played WOD :)

[@Mishadedogist]

what a production! well done

[@dhwwiiexpert]

Felt just like a campaign mission. Excellent job!

[@nicksmith2361]

I know this is an old video but it’s one of the best I’ve ever seen, excellent work Fishyyy!

[@Hardrada88]

Awesome video as per! Really enjoying these B-17 vids lately. Nostalgic in a way, some years ago I was lucky enough to go up in one with a couple of veterans. I became good friends with one and he passed recently. Few different reactions though. I offered to pay for a vet to come with me and he laughed (in a good way) said I'd need to pay him double just to get in it, let alone fly in it. When I found out what he went through, and my own story, we became good friends and stayed in regular touch until his passing. I actually prefer the B-24 but that's just my own op.

[@olivergarcia2304]

Awesome work guys. That was a wild ride!

[@blubb9004]

Besides everything else, I particularly enjoy the sound of this.

[@BernardusKhan-bq8vu]

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[@ElPINGAS9000]

Zippo as Navigator! Hey, thats me! Cool video! Ill watch it as soon as i get home!

[@Fastbikkel]

Those head on passes in the beginning looked really impressive. It reminds me of "european air war" but the sensation of speed difference is so much better here.

[@m9078jk3]

Pretty neat flight sim video. My father was a B-17 Pilot/Aircraft Commander with the 772nd Bomb Squadron/463rd Bomb Group/5th Bomb Wing and he had many missions on what was considered the Eastern Front

[@m9078jk3]

No,he fought for the government of the USA because Adolf Hitler declared war on the USA. Had Hitler not been such an idiot doing that my father would have been assigned to the declared war against the Empire of Japan instead. My father actually volunteered for military service because he knew that he would be drafted instead.

[@m9078jk3]

Sorry but that is religious fantasy conspiracy tripe that has no validity in reality.

[@eberhardgodt550]

@@m9078jk3 gab.com/media/image/bq-5c1f7f2c57e32.jpeg gab.com/media/image/bq-5c1f793721bd4.png

[@patrickcummins79]

imagine how mind numbingly stressfull this job was?

[@PsychoCrimsonGinger]

This turned out amazing

[@johnmclatchie2371]

Fantastic piece of video

[@jumpferjoy1st]

Well done. A great video.

[@milandrca9954]

I love to watch your videos

[@lsford777]

Why are there no B-17 G's? You know, the ones with the chin turret with twin .50 cal machine guns? Still, a very nice production. My Dad's younger Brother, Lt. Vergene W. Ford was an aircraft commander (lead pilot) in the Mighty Eighth. He did 35 missions without a scratch. His group went over there with 25 planes and crews; 7 crews survived the war. Heroes, all of these young men. Some 46,000 perished in the skies over Germany and Europe, in battlefields 5-6 miles up. Think about that for a minute or two; they had a worse casualty rate than the Marines on Iwo Jima.

[@Fishyyy]

This is supposed to be in early '43, the Gs came in later. Even in early '44 a lot of Fs were still around.

[@maryannharlow7497]

Lyle, I am on the board for Honor Point Military and Aerospace Museum in Spokane Washington and we are the custodians of your uncles medals and commendations. We are very interested in learning more about your uncle. Could you please contact me at [e-mail] ?

[@philswift791]

Standing Ovation to you all.

[@Krieg-ch8ot]

One of my favorite videos

[@ferdievanderwalle7631]

Question, or, more of a request at that: The engine sound you're using, is that edited in afterwards? If not, is it included in HSFX then? I'm using SAS Modact 5.3 but for me the sound in-game sounds nothing like yours. If it's an add-on mod, could you tell me which one you're using? Thanks in advance; loving it so far! (Still watching as I write this.)

[@SW-uy1kr]

Hey fishhy, how do you host these multiplayer servers? because i assume with many of your missions are multiplayer

[@Fishyyy]

Multiplay -> Create new Server

[@jklmn101]

Watching that top turret gunner from 8:16 thru 8:32 just drove me nuts. You don't just stare at them and watch them go by.

[@Fishyyy]

He was obviously focused on something else. It's an ai by the way.

[@georgiamule]

How did the gunners avoid hitting other bombers in the formation while tracking fast moving German fighters?

[@Jaceturnerdrill]

Spray and pray

[@georgiamule]

Were any bombers ever shot down by other bomber gunners?

[@corysartin4558]

They did shoot their own bombers how ever the 50s would not bring each other down and it was a small price to pay to protect your self

[@Naughty_Neko]

One word Aimbot

[@ezrahann3438]

war is dangerous as always.

[@danielbritton8588]

Real nice. Are voices AI or gamers talking online? The window of actual shooting is very small without ending up shooting at another fortress. Flak was the best part of watching. Imagine doing this every single day the weather permitted.

[@Fishyyy]

Thanks, the voices were done by voluntary voice actors.

[@paulsaunders6536]

I suspect that my RTX 3080 might struggle to run this in 2D. Looks absolutely brilliant 👍🏻

[@ezrahann3438]

What a surprise attack!

[@blackmesa1992]

In IL-2, does B29 have first person gunner position like B17? (though I know the gun is remote control)

[@FroggyFrog9000]

Nice one :)

[@densyyy2909]

Fishyyy, I've debated with myself for a while now about wich i prefer; voiceover, or crew chatter. Both are entertaining although the voiceover is more immersive, and I bet more work for you. At first a liked this version better, but as I've become familiar with the crew I prefer the crew chatter. I guess what I'm trying to say is- Stay Fishyyy and keep them coming (anyway you want).

[@georgiamule]

In gunnery school the gunners were taught to lead the target, not to fire at it, but in front of it. They later developed a technique of aiming even further ahead of the target, creating a wall of bullets the target would run into. Not firing at, or leading, just fire an extended burst at where the target was gonna be “in just a moment.”

[@ericsissenwein3601]

Actually they sometimes had to shoot behind the attacking plane depending on the direction and angle of the attack. There is a good wartime training video for aerial gunners on you tube that goes into detail about the firing solutions they had to work out.

[@paulsaunders6536]

Mastering the art of deflection shooting was the main differentiator between fighter pilots and high scoring fighter aces.

[@mariosantana4725]

Very Nice

[@LeDeux11]

How you managed to get such smooth framerates? I have to slow down the game to get anything resembling an acceptable framerate with so many bombers.

[@LeDeux11]

Intel Core i5-2500K CPU @3.30GHz

[@CoLdFlaMe88]

I loved that game

[@andrewcarpinella1217]

How do you take control of the B-17? I don’t see any missions for it, and I can’t use it in quick build

[@crazylegoarmy]

Awesome work! I'm StukaBlyat btw

[@penubly]

Fishyyy - do you have a good write up or document of mods you use? There's so many different things online I'm not sure where to start! Nice videos!

[@Fishyyy]

Thank you. I always state the used mods in the descriptions, you might start from there.

[@penubly]

@@Fishyyy Thanks and I will look at them.

[@xrhodi]

I've often had a thought of how many of the rounds from their defensive guns, hit other planes in the formation?

[@imthecrabby]

This is the first oportunity ive had to watch this becuse of uni and all i can say is, holy shit well done! Also would you be adverse to me sending you one of my missions just to see what you think as a starter mission?

[@Fishyyy]

Thank you. I would take a look at your mission, but don't expect anything to come of it necessarily.

[@imthecrabby]

Fishyyy no I don’t expect anything f it, it is very small and I am very inexperienced, but it would mean the world if you tried it

[@Fishyyy]

Well, go ahead then.

[@imthecrabby]

The comment that started it all

[@maelsou6348]

great job soldiers !

[@martinguevara3423]

pretty cool video

[@Fishyyy]

I prefer the newer ones. I mean Mk II for example :)

[@martinguevara3423]

@@Fishyyy yes you might like newest one, but nothing compared as to play clasic games 🥲

[@Fishyyy]

I mean my newer B-17 videos of the same game. Like this one: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z3_blqWhmbF1fpY We have put a lot of work into improving bomber stuff.

[@user-fq3rg2ee3c]

저당시 참전자분들증 생존한분들이 많지 않겠지만 만약 그분들이 본다면 PTSD오겠내요 정말 잘만든 게임입니다

[@JPVee511]

Cool vid. Wish it were a G model though.

[@jjt1093]

One thing lacking from the newer version is the ability to mod like 46, makes me wanna get this game again, how is the online side ?

[@chriswilliamson8563]

God I wish people played this instead of shit thunder

[@robertcoveney3673]

Wow, can anybody tell me how I can fly in a mission like this please? I have IL2 1946 with the complete BAT modifications but I can’t find any B-17 missions to fly. Grateful for any help please.

[@3ggh3ad]

so much better/and realistic than the gunners in war thunder

[@shanespratt151]

Was this that older game, the Mighty 8th?

[@bf-1109]

잘보고갑니다 ㅎㅎ B-17 요격하는 Bf 109는 Bf 109G-6인거같네요.

[@Fishyyy]

and 190 A-6

[@bf-1109]

윙? Fw 190A-6 ???? 엔진음은 영락없는 Bf 109G 구스타프 같던데... 아 다시보니 Fw 190 맞네

[@georgiamule]

Wonder who’s making those contrails.

[@connorosborn1950]

This all looks very pointless to intercept lol. Looks very amazing

[@farcwarts]

Can someone tell me how to get a flyable B-17 in IL-2 that will work in Virtual Reality? I have IL-2 Strumovik 1946 installed on my computer and also in my Steam library. I do not see a flyable B-17 or any missions for B-17s. Help would we greatly appreciated.

[@threeone6012]

In a real B-17 the only thing more inaccurate than the gunners was the bombardier.

[@josealcyfontenelefilho1023]

Gostaria que a fishyy elaborasse mais vídeos dos B-17 em ação

[@barrywik0019]

Good game

[@F15IDriver]

how did you getr so many B17s? i thought only 16 was the maximum

[@dartvader4081]

What about a video with German pilots voices over the radio?! 😍

[@Fishyyy]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/a6CQfHSDmcqAd5I

[@dartvader4081]

My bad! watch it a couple of days ago and did not realize! 🤪😊👏

[@ThePaulv12]

I feel the game B-17 the Mighty 8th nails it better than this but I could never get the glitches out of it. For example you'd play a long mission and it would CTD. After a half ddozen times of this I gave up on it but the quick missions were fun until I got sick of them also. I love shooting down other B-17s - S-L-O-W-L-Y. Watching engines fail, pieces flying off and planes falling behind was very satisfying. When playing a mission seeing this happen by the enemy was a bit sickening I have to admit. You take it personally - go figure; I derive a morbid thrill from shooting down a B-17 from the ball turret but get maddened and sad when the enemy does it (evn though it is just a fucking game lol).

[@kole2993]

Huh, I got it on steam and got a mod pack from a youtuber and everything worked out fine, except a couple of AI glitches...got rammed by a friendly while taxing after a perfect bomb run.

[@Velthur]

Pauke Pauke !

[@britbong1457]

What would happen to bombers hit so hard they were combat ineffective but still able to fly? Where they allowed to try and rtb or were they forced to push on and try drop their payload?

[@jefftheriault7260]

If you couldn't stay with the formation...normally, it was jettison and go, some times at very low level.

[@kole2993]

If they didn't have enough engine power they would jettison their payload and try and stay with the formation. It was pretty much always a bad idea to stray from the formation as you'd be an easy target. It really depends on where they were if they would actually leave the formation and rtb. Otherwise if they couldn't keep up even with dropping their payload it's likely they can't keep altitude anyway so they would just bail out.

[@johnadams-wp2yb]

Let's remember that 50,000 young American Airmen lost their lives, and many more wounded doing these bomb runs.

[@BrothaJeff]

They need to remake this game. So good.

[@Lexx78a]

Remake was already made: Il-2 Battle for Stalingrad, Il-2 Battle for Moscow and Il-2 Battle for Kuban

[@BrothaJeff]

I know but we need the pacific theater. I love it.

[@devil5051000]

15:26 Gun off center, curved window, steep fuselage wall... That looks not like the waist gunner station inside a B-17, more like the one from a B-24.

[@Fishyyy]

go back to aircraft identification school, lol

[@gundamace2037]

Thumbs up if master of the air reaction brougth you back here!

[@MrAlwaysBlue]

How did the gunners avoid hitting other bombers when the fighters were in close

[@corysartin4558]

They didn't B-17s often came home with 50 caliber holes in them

[@massimoghia8830]

secondo me il box non é abbastanza stretto, i caccia passano da tutte le parti, sia da ore 12 che da ore 6.

[@alexsp7086]

Is this a mod ? Or a special mission ?

[@Fishyyy]

both

[@louistracy6964]

confusion, terror and amphetamines.

[@tea7923]

Oh I sound good

[@barrywik0019]

How much is the cost of this game?

[@kg_sroberth2238]

10 buks on Steam

[@m9078jk3]

IL-2 Sturmovik 1946 is now on sale at Good Old Games for $2.49

[@wingman2357]

Everytime i load this mission up as a co-op i spawn into a purple B-17 stuck into the ground...Halp!

[@Fishyyy]

You have to use HSFX 7.0.3 with expert mode.

[@wingman2357]

Got it to work, only thing missing are the skins which i installed but all the 17's look the same. No biggy, just happy to have a taste of a big wing formation!

[@dLimboStick]

Are these B-17C models?

[@marioneto2662]

F

[@paulbridge3042]

To bad it didn’t show the actual bombing and the affects or aftermath of such a large group

[@top10idk]

I cant use b17,how to play b17?

[@notscream4656]

some o those americans sound oddly german wonder what could be going on there

[@Fishyyy]

I invested a lot of effort to find eight native speakers, your perception is wrong o_O

[@notscream4656]

Fishyyy perhaps you are correct

[@yoyopy]

German spies haha

[@TheBlenderblob]

lol hi scream

[@growlanser5600]

Only two 109s, is this May 1945? 🤣

[@Fishyyy]

learn to count

[@kg_sroberth2238]

4Bf-109s one was me and one was Skorzy and 4 FW-190s -> Leadplane DarkenedFantasies!

[@jefftheriault7260]

If it's May 45, there would be swarms of 51's dropping their tanks and going after the German fighters. You might see a few 109's that got missed by the escorts, yah.

[@corysartin4558]

I love fishyy he has the same attitude as me he tells it like it is 😶😂

[@migmadmarine]

@@corysartin4558 exactly. no tolerance for b/s

[@tanker2156]

: German pilot shoot them all down : flack gutters I guess I’ll just die

[@iangoldsworthy2056]

Starboard and port not left and right...Its "ship" not "17" and "lost ship" not "straggler"...High squadron, Lead Squadron (Middle formation) Low Squadron...a few pointers

[@kg_sroberth2238]

But left and right are shorter and more efficient in a combat situation :) you can't generalize.

[@iangoldsworthy2056]

@@kg_sroberth2238 You have 10 crew on board facing North, East, South and west...turning left and right doesn't help the gunners on the ship..Port and starboard is alot easier in crew communication as they know who's on what side.

[@marrioman13]

@@iangoldsworthy2056 but if you assume left as ship's left, like you're naturally assuming with pirt and starboard, there's no issue.

[@KonaLife]

Ian Goldsworthy The Army Air Corp used naval/nautical terms? That’s news to me...

[@Fishyyy]

The characters were talking about one of the three boxes of the whole combat wing, not one of the three squadrons of one box. High squadron means the high part of one box and high group means one of the three boxes of the whole wing. My terminology is correct in that case. While I don't have prove ready at hand, I am basically sure that somebody called a B-17 a "Seventeen" at some point. Preplanned terminology and stuff like it is among the first things that fly out the window when shit hits the fan anyway. A rear gunner saying "left" or "right" instead of "nine o'clock" or "three o'clock" is absolutely in the realm of possibilities. They did call bombers ships, but I don't know why you would point that out, nobody said aircraft or plane at any point. On the contrary, my pilot says: "your ship" in one line.

[@gundolfnitzberger3022]

Gibt es die Mod noch?

[@Fishyyy]

Ja, aber - das ist verglichen mit dem was ich heute benutze - völlig veraltet, verbuggt und einfach schlecht, lol.

[@gundolfnitzberger3022]

Wo kann mann die Mod runterladen?

[@MURSIXX]

no one single like for amis!